Chance are everyone on earth will die except a select few who will be inextricably drawn to Las Vegas for an ultimate showdown between good and evil.
Chance are everyone on earth will die except a select few who will be inextricably drawn to Las Vegas for an ultimate showdown between good and evil.
Somebody should write a book about that.
Will there be no Olympics? Chinese shipments to the Port of LA down 25% in February. Panic buying of masks?I figure touching aspects of the blue line is the only way to gain immunity to every virus on Earth.
I have not been freaked out by this, but with so many people freaking out I started reading about the 1918 Spanish Flu and now wonder whether I should be freaking out and not touching the handrail walking down the stairs to the Blue Line or the handrail on the treadmill at the gym....
Any thoughts? Where is Murph to reassure us that everything will be ok?
Trump just discovered what almost nobody knew -- a lot of people die from the flu, thousands and thousands. He is instructing the pharmaceutical companies to get off their hinies and make a flu vaccine that works.
Trump has done the best job ever responding to the Corona Beer Virus hoax. Only 9 have died, compared to millions who died before Obama bothered to declare an emergency response to the 2009 hydrogen dioxide crisis.
Tired: Buy Clorox stock due to coronavirus
Wired: Buy Costco stock.
Costco looks to be a complete shit show. Hell, even Whole Foods was sold out of water and TP. Who the hell buys TP at Whole Foods? 50% more expensive for organic TP, whatever the hell that means, except "won't wipe my ass". I may be a crunchy granola hippie but that's a bridge too far.
And why the hell do you stock up on water? I guess maybe people are figuring "Well, if I am going to buy 80 packages of pasta and all these canned vegetables, I might as well refresh my earthquake kit"
So we basically have a disease that spreads very easily w/ a 2-week incubation and will kill a disproportionate part of our at-risk population. While I get it, I'm actually not sure cancelling large public events is the best idea. Part of me thinks we should be encouraging our healthiest people to acquire it early to build herd immunity with the strongest part of the population, but I'm also not an epidemiologist and I'd rather have a 0% chance of dying than a 0.1% chance.
Unfortunately, this is the exact scenario where you don't want someone like Donald Trump in charge, not even b/c of his politics, but b/c his personality prefers gut instinct to forethought and his ego plays a high role in decision-making even as the experts are trying to teach him about exponents.
But while I'm at it, healthcare reliant on insurance and the private sector is not well built to handle these sorts of situations.
So we basically have a disease that spreads very easily w/ a 2-week incubation and will kill a disproportionate part of our at-risk population. While I get it, I'm actually not sure cancelling large public events is the best idea. Part of me thinks we should be encouraging our healthiest people to acquire it early to build herd immunity with the strongest part of the population, but I'm also not an epidemiologist and I'd rather have a 0% chance of dying than a 0.1% chance.
What's the rate of hospitalization for otherwise healthy adults under say 65?
Who from the original HQ are you guessing is carrying the virus?
I am guessing MNIllini as he was an older guy, you know he was watching Fox News and bought into this Caronavirus Impeachment Scam BS and wasn't taking proper precautions.
Who from the original HQ are you guessing is carrying the virus?
I am guessing MNIllini as he was an older guy, you know he was watching Fox News and bought into this Caronavirus Impeachment Scam BS and wasn't taking proper precautions.
I miss MN I hope he finds his way over here once he recovers.
My guess is DCPeru, all that Asian butthole is bound to catch up to a guy sooner or later.
Slats, did you see that the Trib removed its paywall for coronavirus stories? Still does not stop John Kass or Eric Zorn from sucking.
69 year old guy with heart disease (by-pass surgery twice)...I refuse to cower to something that I may or may not get. I've had all my appropriate vaccinations.......Including Pneumonia. Son and I went to the Game Sunday........Imagine this........I didn't touch anything other than a handrail..........and 20 seconds later........I did hand sanitizer!!
I feel bad for these student-athletes that have worked their asses off for years and years........and are getting robbed......many in their Senior Year! :'( :'(
Who from the original HQ are you guessing is carrying the virus?
I am guessing MNIllini as he was an older guy, you know he was watching Fox News and bought into this Caronavirus Impeachment Scam BS and wasn't taking proper precautions.
I miss MN I hope he finds his way over here once he recovers.
Somebody call ?
Woke up today, and still am an older guy. Thanks for the concern. I haven't hoarded beer, and can't find any tp. Other than that, remember to respect your elders. 😁
Who from the original HQ are you guessing is carrying the virus?
I am guessing MNIllini as he was an older guy, you know he was watching Fox News and bought into this Caronavirus Impeachment Scam BS and wasn't taking proper precautions.
I miss MN I hope he finds his way over here once he recovers.
Somebody call ?
Woke up today, and still am an older guy. Thanks for the concern. I haven't hoarded beer, and can't find any tp. Other than that, remember to respect your elders. 😁
So, do you have the virus????
No, no, no. I've been working on my social distancing.
The Great State of Mn announced it's first cases of community acquired (3) over the weekend. 35 cases of coronavirus in the state. No cases in the middle of the state, and north. If it was ice out on the lakes, I would go hide out Up North
Had a sandwich and a couple beers at a bar in a small town tonight. A tipsy girl in her mid-20s or so two seats down from me kept trying to get me to try a sip of her fruity drink she was having. I’m a germophobe as it is but I guess the repulsion was evident on my face because the bartender said, “I really don’t think he wants to try your drink, Carley.”
I’ve been out the last 4 days for at least one meal and one thing I’ve noticed is the young people I’ve seen out anyways are basically acting like it’s not a thing.
Had a sandwich and a couple beers at a bar in a small town tonight. A tipsy girl in her mid-20s or so two seats down from me kept trying to get me to try a sip of her fruity drink she was having. I’m a germophobe as it is but I guess the repulsion was evident on my face because the bartender said, “I really don’t think he wants to try your drink, Carley.”
I’ve been out the last 4 days for at least one meal and one thing I’ve noticed is the young people I’ve seen out anyways are basically acting like it’s not a thing.
Was she hot?
Had a sandwich and a couple beers at a bar in a small town tonight. A tipsy girl in her mid-20s or so two seats down from me kept trying to get me to try a sip of her fruity drink she was having. I’m a germophobe as it is but I guess the repulsion was evident on my face because the bartender said, “I really don’t think he wants to try your drink, Carley.”
I’ve been out the last 4 days for at least one meal and one thing I’ve noticed is the young people I’ve seen out anyways are basically acting like it’s not a thing.
Had a sandwich and a couple beers at a bar in a small town tonight. A tipsy girl in her mid-20s or so two seats down from me kept trying to get me to try a sip of her fruity drink she was having. I’m a germophobe as it is but I guess the repulsion was evident on my face because the bartender said, “I really don’t think he wants to try your drink, Carley.”
I’ve been out the last 4 days for at least one meal and one thing I’ve noticed is the young people I’ve seen out anyways are basically acting like it’s not a thing.
Was she hot?
Had a sandwich and a couple beers at a bar in a small town tonight. A tipsy girl in her mid-20s or so two seats down from me kept trying to get me to try a sip of her fruity drink she was having. I’m a germophobe as it is but I guess the repulsion was evident on my face because the bartender said, “I really don’t think he wants to try your drink, Carley.”
I’ve been out the last 4 days for at least one meal and one thing I’ve noticed is the young people I’ve seen out anyways are basically acting like it’s not a thing.
Was she hot?
She was pretty attractive
You get digits?
Solid advice but I did neither. Also she wasn’t bartending the bartender was short fat and talked like Dustin from Stranger Things. She also lives with her grandfather.
I remember when that happened. Wasn’t an appropriate comment but make no mistake the Chinese have a rapidly growing influence and are actively undermining news and politics. They also use our own hyper sensitive PC culture against us to label any criticism of the Chinese as racist.
I remember when that happened. Wasn’t an appropriate comment but make no mistake the Chinese have a rapidly growing influence and are actively undermining news and politics. They also use our own hyper sensitive PC culture against us to label any criticism of the Chinese as racist.
I see that my decision to sell my cruise stock and invest in a tinfoil hat company was a damn good one.
Pritzker actually called out the Soviets and the Commie Chinese for spreading misinformation in his press conference....
As an engineer with a Ph D. I feel authorized to inform you that as a mere peasant, you shouldn’t question smart people like us who create things like strategically ineffective vaccines. Remember, before I studied at U of I I went to boarding school run by British nuns in the north of India. So even though I am not white, I can still be one of your supremes.
As an engineer with a Ph D. I feel authorized to inform you that as a mere peasant, you shouldn’t question smart people like us who create things like strategically ineffective vaccines. Remember, before I studied at U of I I went to boarding school run by British nuns in the north of India. So even though I am not white, I can still be one of your supremes.
You need to dial it up and stick to the mom jokes. Don't make me have to create a mult.
As an engineer with a Ph D. I feel authorized to inform you that as a mere peasant, you shouldn’t question smart people like us who create things like strategically ineffective vaccines. Remember, before I studied at U of I I went to boarding school run by British nuns in the north of India. So even though I am not white, I can still be one of your supremes.
You need to dial it up and stick to the mom jokes. Don't make me have to create a mult.
You are talking to an engineer whose degrees are further advanced than yours and also knows your mama in the sexual nature, so you will be taking instruction from me not the otherwise. You May find difficulty in this as I am a non-white but I learned at early age from my boarding school nuns that there are a lot of white powers. Since I bed many of the female whites, I am also part of the superior race and own some of the white powers.
As an engineer with a Ph D. I feel authorized to inform you that as a mere peasant, you shouldn’t question smart people like us who create things like strategically ineffective vaccines. Remember, before I studied at U of I I went to boarding school run by British nuns in the north of India. So even though I am not white, I can still be one of your supremes.
You need to dial it up and stick to the mom jokes. Don't make me have to create a mult.
You are talking to an engineer whose degrees are further advanced than yours and also knows your mama in the sexual nature, so you will be taking instruction from me not the otherwise. You May find difficulty in this as I am a non-white but I learned at early age from my boarding school nuns that there are a lot of white powers. Since I bed many of the female whites, I am also part of the superior race and own some of the white powers.
Keep working on it.
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A better way to measure the damage caused by such a medical crisis is to look at “excess mortality”: the gap between the total number of people who died from any cause, and the historical average for the same place and time of year. The charts below use data from EuroMOMO, a network of epidemiologists who collect weekly reports on deaths from all causes in 24 European countries, covering 350m people.
Compared to the baseline average of deaths from 2009-19, the flu seasons of 2017, 2018 and 2019 were all unusually lethal. But the covid-19 pandemic, which arrived much later in the year, has already reached a higher peak—and would have been far more damaging without social-distancing measures. EuroMOMO’s figures suggest that there were about 70,000 excess deaths between March 16th and April 12th.
Sweden’s approach to fighting the virus has received much attention, as it is one of the few Western countries that has not enforced a widespread lockdown. On April 27th its official covid-19 death toll was just 2,300, counting only people who had tested positive before passing away.
The Swedish national statistical bureau is publishing regular figures for deaths from all causes. Between March 25th (the week Sweden passed 50 official fatalities) and April 7th the country recorded 1,500 official covid-19 deaths. In the same period it registered 1,700 excess deaths. This suggests that the official numbers captured 90% of the estimated excess.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countriescounting only people who had tested positive before passing away ........QuoteA better way to measure the damage caused by such a medical crisis is to look at “excess mortality”: the gap between the total number of people who died from any cause, and the historical average for the same place and time of year. The charts below use data from EuroMOMO, a network of epidemiologists who collect weekly reports on deaths from all causes in 24 European countries, covering 350m people.QuoteCompared to the baseline average of deaths from 2009-19, the flu seasons of 2017, 2018 and 2019 were all unusually lethal. But the covid-19 pandemic, which arrived much later in the year, has already reached a higher peak—and would have been far more damaging without social-distancing measures. EuroMOMO’s figures suggest that there were about 70,000 excess deaths between March 16th and April 12th.QuoteSweden’s approach to fighting the virus has received much attention, as it is one of the few Western countries that has not enforced a widespread lockdown. On April 27th its official covid-19 death toll was just 2,300, counting only people who had tested positive before passing away.
The Swedish national statistical bureau is publishing regular figures for deaths from all causes. Between March 25th (the week Sweden passed 50 official fatalities) and April 7th the country recorded 1,500 official covid-19 deaths. In the same period it registered 1,700 excess deaths. This suggests that the official numbers captured 90% of the estimated excess.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countriescounting only people who had tested positive before passing away ........QuoteA better way to measure the damage caused by such a medical crisis is to look at “excess mortality”: the gap between the total number of people who died from any cause, and the historical average for the same place and time of year. The charts below use data from EuroMOMO, a network of epidemiologists who collect weekly reports on deaths from all causes in 24 European countries, covering 350m people.QuoteCompared to the baseline average of deaths from 2009-19, the flu seasons of 2017, 2018 and 2019 were all unusually lethal. But the covid-19 pandemic, which arrived much later in the year, has already reached a higher peak—and would have been far more damaging without social-distancing measures. EuroMOMO’s figures suggest that there were about 70,000 excess deaths between March 16th and April 12th.QuoteSweden’s approach to fighting the virus has received much attention, as it is one of the few Western countries that has not enforced a widespread lockdown. On April 27th its official covid-19 death toll was just 2,300, counting only people who had tested positive before passing away.
The Swedish national statistical bureau is publishing regular figures for deaths from all causes. Between March 25th (the week Sweden passed 50 official fatalities) and April 7th the country recorded 1,500 official covid-19 deaths. In the same period it registered 1,700 excess deaths. This suggests that the official numbers captured 90% of the estimated excess.
A novel concept. How about if they count the people who look like they may have had Covid, like NYC ?
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countriescounting only people who had tested positive before passing away ........QuoteA better way to measure the damage caused by such a medical crisis is to look at “excess mortality”: the gap between the total number of people who died from any cause, and the historical average for the same place and time of year. The charts below use data from EuroMOMO, a network of epidemiologists who collect weekly reports on deaths from all causes in 24 European countries, covering 350m people.QuoteCompared to the baseline average of deaths from 2009-19, the flu seasons of 2017, 2018 and 2019 were all unusually lethal. But the covid-19 pandemic, which arrived much later in the year, has already reached a higher peak—and would have been far more damaging without social-distancing measures. EuroMOMO’s figures suggest that there were about 70,000 excess deaths between March 16th and April 12th.QuoteSweden’s approach to fighting the virus has received much attention, as it is one of the few Western countries that has not enforced a widespread lockdown. On April 27th its official covid-19 death toll was just 2,300, counting only people who had tested positive before passing away.
The Swedish national statistical bureau is publishing regular figures for deaths from all causes. Between March 25th (the week Sweden passed 50 official fatalities) and April 7th the country recorded 1,500 official covid-19 deaths. In the same period it registered 1,700 excess deaths. This suggests that the official numbers captured 90% of the estimated excess.
A novel concept. How about if they count the people who look like they may have had Covid, like NYC ?
Finally, as the cardiac arrest data suggested, scientists are contending with an ever-evolving understanding of how COVID-19 attacks the body. Initially, it was believed to primarily attack the lungs, but new research suggests it’s a danger to nearly every organ.
Experts say that many people like Dowd, who died of a non-respiratory COVID-19 complication early in the outbreak -- before the pandemic’s impact became apparent -- may never be accurately counted.
You mean the part about we'll just add in 5000, so covid deaths account for the excess ?https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countriescounting only people who had tested positive before passing away ........QuoteA better way to measure the damage caused by such a medical crisis is to look at “excess mortality”: the gap between the total number of people who died from any cause, and the historical average for the same place and time of year. The charts below use data from EuroMOMO, a network of epidemiologists who collect weekly reports on deaths from all causes in 24 European countries, covering 350m people.QuoteCompared to the baseline average of deaths from 2009-19, the flu seasons of 2017, 2018 and 2019 were all unusually lethal. But the covid-19 pandemic, which arrived much later in the year, has already reached a higher peak—and would have been far more damaging without social-distancing measures. EuroMOMO’s figures suggest that there were about 70,000 excess deaths between March 16th and April 12th.QuoteSweden’s approach to fighting the virus has received much attention, as it is one of the few Western countries that has not enforced a widespread lockdown. On April 27th its official covid-19 death toll was just 2,300, counting only people who had tested positive before passing away.
The Swedish national statistical bureau is publishing regular figures for deaths from all causes. Between March 25th (the week Sweden passed 50 official fatalities) and April 7th the country recorded 1,500 official covid-19 deaths. In the same period it registered 1,700 excess deaths. This suggests that the official numbers captured 90% of the estimated excess.
A novel concept. How about if they count the people who look like they may have had Covid, like NYC ?
Read the article for the numbers in NY.
You mean the part about we'll just add in 5000, so covid deaths account for the excess ?https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countriescounting only people who had tested positive before passing away ........QuoteA better way to measure the damage caused by such a medical crisis is to look at “excess mortality”: the gap between the total number of people who died from any cause, and the historical average for the same place and time of year. The charts below use data from EuroMOMO, a network of epidemiologists who collect weekly reports on deaths from all causes in 24 European countries, covering 350m people.QuoteCompared to the baseline average of deaths from 2009-19, the flu seasons of 2017, 2018 and 2019 were all unusually lethal. But the covid-19 pandemic, which arrived much later in the year, has already reached a higher peak—and would have been far more damaging without social-distancing measures. EuroMOMO’s figures suggest that there were about 70,000 excess deaths between March 16th and April 12th.QuoteSweden’s approach to fighting the virus has received much attention, as it is one of the few Western countries that has not enforced a widespread lockdown. On April 27th its official covid-19 death toll was just 2,300, counting only people who had tested positive before passing away.
The Swedish national statistical bureau is publishing regular figures for deaths from all causes. Between March 25th (the week Sweden passed 50 official fatalities) and April 7th the country recorded 1,500 official covid-19 deaths. In the same period it registered 1,700 excess deaths. This suggests that the official numbers captured 90% of the estimated excess.
A novel concept. How about if they count the people who look like they may have had Covid, like NYC ?
Read the article for the numbers in NY.
Austria also used positive covid before death.
Who knows how Jakarta counted.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-kills-people-an-average-of-a-decade-before-their-time-11588424401Am I supposed to read this, or just comment ? Hehe.
I haven't had alcohol since March.
It's not that we're out of stock. I'm using cetirizine every day and sleeping 12-15 hours.
I usually spend April in Ventura County, where the tree pollen isn't so brutal.
https://apple.news/AAOxwBBfLSEWHHci6JuIK_g
1 + 0 = 4. Good to know they won't be counting someone who tests positive multiple times on the same day. No word yet on whether or not an individual can die multiple times.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/virginia-begin-double-counting-positive-coronavirus-cases
At a press conference on Friday, State Health Commissioner Norman Oliver gave an example of a single patient being tested four times for COVID-19. "What we’re doing now is, we’re counting all four tests," Oliver said. "That’s the difference."
What was unclear from the new policy is whether or not each positive test result would be counted as a new case of coronavirus altogether rather than merely a new test. The Virginia Department of Health's COVID-19 dashboard displays the total number of cases in the state, the total number of tests performed, and the total number of "unique people tested" by state officials.
Reached via email on Monday morning, Joe Macenka, a spokesman for Virginia's COVID-19 Joint Information Command, confirmed that each positive case of the disease would be counted as a new case altogether. "If a person is tested on different days, those tests are counted as separate," he said.
Pressed to clarify the policy, Macenka said that repeat positive cases "are counted as separate cases only if the tests occur on different days. If [a Virginia resident] tested Monday and Tuesday and both are positive, that's two positives."
After being ranked near the bottom of the list of states in the U.S. for their testing capacity, Virginia revealed a new metric on Friday for which they will be measuring testing.
The reason for the large spike in testing reported Friday (14,805) compared to previous days is that the methodology in which testing is reported has changed, officials say.
Before the change, though a COVID-19 patient may get tested multiple times over the course of treatment, the Virginia Health Department was only reporting the sum of the patient’s tests as one single test.
https://www.wavy.com/news/health/coronavirus/virginia-covid-19-may-3-update-nearly-900-confirmed-cases-with-44-deaths/
They will now report one patient being tested multiple times as multiple tests.
1 + 0 = 4. Good to know they won't be counting someone who tests positive multiple times on the same day. No word yet on whether or not an individual can die multiple times.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/virginia-begin-double-counting-positive-coronavirus-cases
At a press conference on Friday, State Health Commissioner Norman Oliver gave an example of a single patient being tested four times for COVID-19. "What we’re doing now is, we’re counting all four tests," Oliver said. "That’s the difference."
What was unclear from the new policy is whether or not each positive test result would be counted as a new case of coronavirus altogether rather than merely a new test. The Virginia Department of Health's COVID-19 dashboard displays the total number of cases in the state, the total number of tests performed, and the total number of "unique people tested" by state officials.
Reached via email on Monday morning, Joe Macenka, a spokesman for Virginia's COVID-19 Joint Information Command, confirmed that each positive case of the disease would be counted as a new case altogether. "If a person is tested on different days, those tests are counted as separate," he said.
Pressed to clarify the policy, Macenka said that repeat positive cases "are counted as separate cases only if the tests occur on different days. If [a Virginia resident] tested Monday and Tuesday and both are positive, that's two positives."
After being ranked near the bottom of the list of states in the U.S. for their testing capacity, Virginia revealed a new metric on Friday for which they will be measuring testing.
The reason for the large spike in testing reported Friday (14,805) compared to previous days is that the methodology in which testing is reported has changed, officials say.
Before the change, though a COVID-19 patient may get tested multiple times over the course of treatment, the Virginia Health Department was only reporting the sum of the patient’s tests as one single test.
https://www.wavy.com/news/health/coronavirus/virginia-covid-19-may-3-update-nearly-900-confirmed-cases-with-44-deaths/
They will now report one patient being tested multiple times as multiple tests.
I do not.get the general obsession with testing the general public unless you are testing for the antibodies or someone is sick.
If you test me on Monday, and it comes back negative, it does not mean that I will not catch it on Tuesday.
I do not.get
1 + 0 = 4. Good to know they won't be counting someone who tests positive multiple times on the same day. No word yet on whether or not an individual can die multiple times.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/virginia-begin-double-counting-positive-coronavirus-cases
At a press conference on Friday, State Health Commissioner Norman Oliver gave an example of a single patient being tested four times for COVID-19. "What we’re doing now is, we’re counting all four tests," Oliver said. "That’s the difference."
What was unclear from the new policy is whether or not each positive test result would be counted as a new case of coronavirus altogether rather than merely a new test. The Virginia Department of Health's COVID-19 dashboard displays the total number of cases in the state, the total number of tests performed, and the total number of "unique people tested" by state officials.
Reached via email on Monday morning, Joe Macenka, a spokesman for Virginia's COVID-19 Joint Information Command, confirmed that each positive case of the disease would be counted as a new case altogether. "If a person is tested on different days, those tests are counted as separate," he said.
Pressed to clarify the policy, Macenka said that repeat positive cases "are counted as separate cases only if the tests occur on different days. If [a Virginia resident] tested Monday and Tuesday and both are positive, that's two positives."
After being ranked near the bottom of the list of states in the U.S. for their testing capacity, Virginia revealed a new metric on Friday for which they will be measuring testing.
The reason for the large spike in testing reported Friday (14,805) compared to previous days is that the methodology in which testing is reported has changed, officials say.
Before the change, though a COVID-19 patient may get tested multiple times over the course of treatment, the Virginia Health Department was only reporting the sum of the patient’s tests as one single test.
https://www.wavy.com/news/health/coronavirus/virginia-covid-19-may-3-update-nearly-900-confirmed-cases-with-44-deaths/
They will now report one patient being tested multiple times as multiple tests.
I do not.get the general obsession with testing the general public unless you are testing for the antibodies or someone is sick.
If you test me on Monday, and it comes back negative, it does not mean that I will not catch it on Tuesday.
1 + 0 = 4. Good to know they won't be counting someone who tests positive multiple times on the same day. No word yet on whether or not an individual can die multiple times.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/virginia-begin-double-counting-positive-coronavirus-cases
At a press conference on Friday, State Health Commissioner Norman Oliver gave an example of a single patient being tested four times for COVID-19. "What we’re doing now is, we’re counting all four tests," Oliver said. "That’s the difference."
What was unclear from the new policy is whether or not each positive test result would be counted as a new case of coronavirus altogether rather than merely a new test. The Virginia Department of Health's COVID-19 dashboard displays the total number of cases in the state, the total number of tests performed, and the total number of "unique people tested" by state officials.
Reached via email on Monday morning, Joe Macenka, a spokesman for Virginia's COVID-19 Joint Information Command, confirmed that each positive case of the disease would be counted as a new case altogether. "If a person is tested on different days, those tests are counted as separate," he said.
Pressed to clarify the policy, Macenka said that repeat positive cases "are counted as separate cases only if the tests occur on different days. If [a Virginia resident] tested Monday and Tuesday and both are positive, that's two positives."
After being ranked near the bottom of the list of states in the U.S. for their testing capacity, Virginia revealed a new metric on Friday for which they will be measuring testing.
The reason for the large spike in testing reported Friday (14,805) compared to previous days is that the methodology in which testing is reported has changed, officials say.
Before the change, though a COVID-19 patient may get tested multiple times over the course of treatment, the Virginia Health Department was only reporting the sum of the patient’s tests as one single test.
https://www.wavy.com/news/health/coronavirus/virginia-covid-19-may-3-update-nearly-900-confirmed-cases-with-44-deaths/
They will now report one patient being tested multiple times as multiple tests.
Why would you test someone who tested positive again?
If anything made sense, what might happen with someone tested multiple times is that they tested *negative* but then had to be tested again, for example Pence and Trump have probably been tested many times. Once you're positive, you're positive.
That would mean multiple counting would skew the numbers by showing a lower infection *rate* but do nothing to the total cases
Likewise, if we test you on Monday and it comes back negative because titers are still too low to show a positive test; then you can go to work on Tues. In fact, you can go to work continually until you're symptomatic or test positive.
I do not.get the general obsession with testing the general public unless you are testing for the antibodies or someone is sick.
If you test me on Monday, and it comes back negative, it does not mean that I will not catch it on Tuesday.
If we test you on Monday, and it comes back positive, we know that you need to be quarantined and not pass the virus on without symptoms. We are getting meat packing plants with hundreds of asymptomatic carriers, all passing it to each other then bringing it back to various counties to transmit to others, many of whom will not be asymptomatic.
I do not.get
Fixed.
I kinda like it that America's awesomeness has given every single one of its idiots enough confidence to Brain their way through a new, unique and scientifically unstudied human pathogen.
Y'all suh smort.
Likewise, if we test you on Monday and it comes back negative because titers are still too low to show a positive test; then you can go to work on Tues. In fact, you can go to work continually until you're symptomatic or test positive.
I do not.get the general obsession with testing the general public unless you are testing for the antibodies or someone is sick.
If you test me on Monday, and it comes back negative, it does not mean that I will not catch it on Tuesday.
If we test you on Monday, and it comes back positive, we know that you need to be quarantined and not pass the virus on without symptoms. We are getting meat packing plants with hundreds of asymptomatic carriers, all passing it to each other then bringing it back to various counties to transmit to others, many of whom will not be asymptomatic.
Testing everybody every day is not feasible.
The whole quote puts it into context. What is the point of testing everyone in the general public on a daily basis, especially if you are practicing social distancing, etc. at this point? First responders, the meat packers, those who cannot or will not follow the guidelines, etc. I get.
The whole quote puts it into context. What is the point of testing everyone in the general public on a daily basis, especially if you are practicing social distancing, etc. at this point? First responders, the meat packers, those who cannot or will not follow the guidelines, etc. I get.
That's not the theory. If you can test everyone who we think could be of any issue, then isolate and do contact tracing to inform new tests, then the virus can be squashed.
Did you mean to say that is fine for the people who test negative ?
The whole quote puts it into context. What is the point of testing everyone in the general public on a daily basis, especially if you are practicing social distancing, etc. at this point? First responders, the meat packers, those who cannot or will not follow the guidelines, etc. I get.
That's not the theory. If you can test everyone who we think could be of any issue, then isolate and do contact tracing to inform new tests, then the virus can be squashed.
That is fine for the people who test positive. You then need to keep retesting them on a daily basis to make sure they have not caught it after the last test, no?
RIP Illinois economyHow did you rack up 3 negative karmas ?
RIP Illinois economyHow did you rack up 3 negative karmas ?
Did you mean to say that is fine for the people who test negative ?
Also, asymptomatic people are more likely to test false negative and pre-symptomatic people may not have a sufficient titer to show a positive test result for several days.
Negative results would probably require retesting for several days.
The Abbott tests are said to be about 85% accurate, while some other testing means may be 98% accurate. Throwing a few hundred million tests at the labs over a period of days might be a few too many.
I prefer the current way. Throw taxpaying people going to work in jail for violation of stay at home mandates to be able to feed their kids and fine them when they don't have the money to pay rent, mortgage, or food bills. Meanwhile, release criminals so the new criminals can practice social distancing during confinement.
Did you mean to say that is fine for the people who test negative ?
The whole quote puts it into context. What is the point of testing everyone in the general public on a daily basis, especially if you are practicing social distancing, etc. at this point? First responders, the meat packers, those who cannot or will not follow the guidelines, etc. I get.
That's not the theory. If you can test everyone who we think could be of any issue, then isolate and do contact tracing to inform new tests, then the virus can be squashed.
That is fine for the people who test positive. You then need to keep retesting them on a daily basis to make sure they have not caught it after the last test, no?
Also, asymptomatic people are more likely to test false negative and pre-symptomatic people may not have a sufficient titer to show a positive test result for several days.
Negative results would probably require retesting for several days.
The Abbott tests are said to be about 85% accurate, while some other testing means may be 98% accurate. Throwing a few hundred million tests at the labs over a period of days might be a few too many.
I prefer the current way. Throw taxpaying people going to work in jail for violation of stay at home mandates to be able to feed their kids and fine them when they don't have the money to pay rent, mortgage, or food bills. Meanwhile, release criminals so the new criminals can practice social distancing during confinement.
Did you mean to say that is fine for the people who test negative ?
Also, asymptomatic people are more likely to test false negative and pre-symptomatic people may not have a sufficient titer to show a positive test result for several days.
Negative results would probably require retesting for several days.
The Abbott tests are said to be about 85% accurate, while some other testing means may be 98% accurate. Throwing a few hundred million tests at the labs over a period of days might be a few too many.
I prefer the current way. Throw taxpaying people going to work in jail for violation of stay at home mandates to be able to feed their kids and fine them when they don't have the money to pay rent, mortgage, or food bills. Meanwhile, release criminals so the new criminals can practice social distancing during confinement.
This is why we can't get this to work, because you are thinking like Trump instead of thinking like Fauci.
You don't have to be 100% accurate for this to work.
Without mitigation, the general scientific consensus is that each infected person will infect 3 others, on average. Some will infect more, some less - for example if you get the virus and everyone around you has the virus, you will infect nobody because there is nobody new to infect.
To eliminate the virus, what you have to do is to get that average below 1. If everyone who catches it, passes it on to fewer than one person on average - so say if 10 people got it and they passed it on to 8 other people, for an average of .8 transmissions, then the disease goes away, because eventually the number of infected people goes to zero.
Every person that you can test that is positive and you fully isolate, will pass it on to zero people. That's the ideal - let's say anecdotally in some cases they pass it on to the tester, have already spread it, etc... but in the law of large numbers, if the average goes below 1.0, then the disease goes away. The lower the number, the faster.
MATH
Is this the Virginia 2 year plan ?
Did you mean to say that is fine for the people who test negative ?
Also, asymptomatic people are more likely to test false negative and pre-symptomatic people may not have a sufficient titer to show a positive test result for several days.
Negative results would probably require retesting for several days.
The Abbott tests are said to be about 85% accurate, while some other testing means may be 98% accurate. Throwing a few hundred million tests at the labs over a period of days might be a few too many.
I prefer the current way. Throw taxpaying people going to work in jail for violation of stay at home mandates to be able to feed their kids and fine them when they don't have the money to pay rent, mortgage, or food bills. Meanwhile, release criminals so the new criminals can practice social distancing during confinement.
This is why we can't get this to work, because you are thinking like Trump instead of thinking like Fauci.
You don't have to be 100% accurate for this to work.
Without mitigation, the general scientific consensus is that each infected person will infect 3 others, on average. Some will infect more, some less - for example if you get the virus and everyone around you has the virus, you will infect nobody because there is nobody new to infect.
To eliminate the virus, what you have to do is to get that average below 1. If everyone who catches it, passes it on to fewer than one person on average - so say if 10 people got it and they passed it on to 8 other people, for an average of .8 transmissions, then the disease goes away, because eventually the number of infected people goes to zero.
Every person that you can test that is positive and you fully isolate, will pass it on to zero people. That's the ideal - let's say anecdotally in some cases they pass it on to the tester, have already spread it, etc... but in the law of large numbers, if the average goes below 1.0, then the disease goes away. The lower the number, the faster.
MATH
We are so far behind this thing, I mean when 15-17% of people have it or have had it in pretty large peer groups, most of whom are asymptomatic, the cat is pretty much out of the bag at that point. And to PAMans point, just because someone tests negative once and remains asymptomatic it really doesn’t mean shit, it’s just a CYA thing for businesses and hospitals.
And the more and more we learn that so many people have or have had this with no symptoms whatsoever, it kind of puts a damper on this “stamping out the virus” nonsense. It’s going to eventually run it’s course, and people will either get it or not get it, some will die, some will get sick, and most won’t do either.
We are perilously close to a humanitarian crisis much, much larger than COVID-19, and that is due to lack of buying power, supermarket shortages, people losing everything they’ve worked for, hopelessness and despair, etc.
4. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I am wearing a mask/face covering that helps protect you from me. But if you aren't wearing one, my mask/face covering may not protect me from you. (Do I have that right?) If true, and people are resistant to wearing masks/face coverings, people may be hesitant to go out anyway.
4. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I am wearing a mask/face covering that helps protect you from me. But if you aren't wearing one, my mask/face covering may not protect me from you. (Do I have that right?) If true, and people are resistant to wearing masks/face coverings, people may be hesitant to go out anyway.
This is a big point here. If the "re-opening" looks like a clown show, people aren't going to go out anyway, so businesses will spend money to reboot and then have no customers, which will be worse than being closed down.
It's a crisis. Provide direct aid. No different than a hurricane or fire.
4. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I am wearing a mask/face covering that helps protect you from me. But if you aren't wearing one, my mask/face covering may not protect me from you. (Do I have that right?) If true, and people are resistant to wearing masks/face coverings, people may be hesitant to go out anyway.
This is a big point here. If the "re-opening" looks like a clown show, people aren't going to go out anyway, so businesses will spend money to reboot and then have no customers, which will be worse than being closed down.
It's a crisis. Provide direct aid. No different than a hurricane or fire.
Idk I think people are a lot more willing to go out than you think. Maybe not so much in large urban areas or if one is more at risk, but most people I know have gotten to a point where their financial, mental and social considerations outweigh their fear of getting COVID.
I wear a mask when I go out, and almost everyone I see has one on. That’s good. I’m not worried about getting it myself, I am concerned with potentially getting others sick. And almost everyone I talk to feels exactly the same way I do.
Here’s a link to the CDC prepared guidance for reopening the economy. Interesting reading that confirms the significant challenges ahead for the U.S. economy to reopen safely.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6883734-CDC-Business-Plans.html
While some people seem to think there’s a choice between economic growth and the amount of death we’re willing to accept ("there are going to be deaths no matter what"), it’s clear from reading these guidelines that economic normality will not be close to possible as long as public health is still at risk.
I think most here would agree that fighting the pandemic and stimulating the economy will be one and the same.
At what point is it time to let people make their own decisions? Are we gonna lock grandma up forever and just bring her stuff when she needs it and pass it through a sanitized grommet in her front door? Many in the public and government are willing to accept more deaths, perhaps even the risk of their own. We do risky things each and every day by choice, like riding a bicycle or driving a car or getting in an airplane or having unprotected sex or being in crowded places where germs are being passed around. Disease and death are part of life. There is always going to be some level of acceptable collateral damage in these situations because we literally cannot fully contain this or anything like it.
Interesting article about hindsight being 20/20.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/us/new-york-city-coronavirus-outbreak.html#click=https://t.co/rPWdKG1xaV
Tho the sample size is small, the conclusion appears to be that we should blame ourselves rather than the CCP. The strain passing thru NYC came from Europe. 100% of Louisiana cases in the study were of the NY strain. Each and everyone of us is responsible for allowing infected individuals to pass thru NY airports, the transportation systems, and on to the rest of the country.
Acting earlier would most likely have blunted the virus’s march across the country, researchers say.
“It means that we missed the boat early on, and the vast majority in this country is coming from domestic spread,” said Kristian Andersen, a professor in the department of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research. “I keep hearing that it’s somebody else’s fault. That’s not true. It’s not somebody else’s fault, it’s our own fault.”
Anyone have any hard data from July 7, 2020 that they would be willing to share today ? lol.
At what point is it time to let people make their own decisions? Are we gonna lock grandma up forever and just bring her stuff when she needs it and pass it through a sanitized grommet in her front door? Many in the public and government are willing to accept more deaths, perhaps even the risk of their own. We do risky things each and every day by choice, like riding a bicycle or driving a car or getting in an airplane or having unprotected sex or being in crowded places where germs are being passed around. Disease and death are part of life. There is always going to be some level of acceptable collateral damage in these situations because we literally cannot fully contain this or anything like it.
A bunch of those little coronaviruses snuck out of that lab in Wuhan, and look where we are now.Interesting article about hindsight being 20/20.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/us/new-york-city-coronavirus-outbreak.html#click=https://t.co/rPWdKG1xaV
Tho the sample size is small, the conclusion appears to be that we should blame ourselves rather than the CCP. The strain passing thru NYC came from Europe. 100% of Louisiana cases in the study were of the NY strain. Each and everyone of us is responsible for allowing infected individuals to pass thru NY airports, the transportation systems, and on to the rest of the country.
Acting earlier would most likely have blunted the virus’s march across the country, researchers say.
“It means that we missed the boat early on, and the vast majority in this country is coming from domestic spread,” said Kristian Andersen, a professor in the department of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research. “I keep hearing that it’s somebody else’s fault. That’s not true. It’s not somebody else’s fault, it’s our own fault.”
Anyone have any hard data from July 7, 2020 that they would be willing to share today ? lol.
And where did the NY strain come from? Europe. And where did the Europe strain come from? Looks like China....it all seems to goes back to one spot.
And since when do you start relying on the Lyin' NY Times???
A bunch of those little coronaviruses snuck out of that lab in Wuhan, and look where we are now.Interesting article about hindsight being 20/20.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/us/new-york-city-coronavirus-outbreak.html#click=https://t.co/rPWdKG1xaV
Tho the sample size is small, the conclusion appears to be that we should blame ourselves rather than the CCP. The strain passing thru NYC came from Europe. 100% of Louisiana cases in the study were of the NY strain. Each and everyone of us is responsible for allowing infected individuals to pass thru NY airports, the transportation systems, and on to the rest of the country.
Acting earlier would most likely have blunted the virus’s march across the country, researchers say.
“It means that we missed the boat early on, and the vast majority in this country is coming from domestic spread,” said Kristian Andersen, a professor in the department of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research. “I keep hearing that it’s somebody else’s fault. That’s not true. It’s not somebody else’s fault, it’s our own fault.”
Anyone have any hard data from July 7, 2020 that they would be willing to share today ? lol.
And where did the NY strain come from? Europe. And where did the Europe strain come from? Looks like China....it all seems to goes back to one spot.
And since when do you start relying on the Lyin' NY Times???
At what point is it time to let people make their own decisions? Are we gonna lock grandma up forever and just bring her stuff when she needs it and pass it through a sanitized grommet in her front door? Many in the public and government are willing to accept more deaths, perhaps even the risk of their own. We do risky things each and every day by choice, like riding a bicycle or driving a car or getting in an airplane or having unprotected sex or being in crowded places where germs are being passed around. Disease and death are part of life. There is always going to be some level of acceptable collateral damage in these situations because we literally cannot fully contain this or anything like it.
I think this would not be a problem if the overwhelming majority of the population was as responsible as you and wear a mask to protect others. Yet we see there is pushback on people upset not only about their having to wear a mask to go to Costco, but also mad at the waitress at whatever shithole restaurant in Oklahoma for wearing one. The problem with this virus is you and I can take all the precautions we can and Billy Bob MI Militia Guy can fuck it all up by standing too close to you or breathing on your Amazon package he delivers to your or Grandma's house.
At what point is it time to let people make their own decisions? Are we gonna lock grandma up forever and just bring her stuff when she needs it and pass it through a sanitized grommet in her front door? Many in the public and government are willing to accept more deaths, perhaps even the risk of their own. We do risky things each and every day by choice, like riding a bicycle or driving a car or getting in an airplane or having unprotected sex or being in crowded places where germs are being passed around. Disease and death are part of life. There is always going to be some level of acceptable collateral damage in these situations because we literally cannot fully contain this or anything like it.
I think this would not be a problem if the overwhelming majority of the population was as responsible as you and wear a mask to protect others. Yet we see there is pushback on people upset not only about their having to wear a mask to go to Costco, but also mad at the waitress at whatever shithole restaurant in Oklahoma for wearing one. The problem with this virus is you and I can take all the precautions we can and Billy Bob MI Militia Guy can fuck it all up by standing too close to you or breathing on your Amazon package he delivers to your or Grandma's house.
I live in BFE with all the rednecks who supposedly aren’t taking this seriously. Damn near everyone is wearing a mask and following government guidelines. I’m sure it’s easy to find tales online about one-off situations and turn them into a stereotype.
I live in BFE with all the rednecks who supposedly aren’t taking this seriously. Damn near everyone is wearing a mask and following government guidelines. I’m sure it’s easy to find tales online about one-off situations and turn them into a stereotype.
I've heard of people having small house parties on the north side. I also have noticed drastically increased auto traffic today and last Saturday when I was out, probably 1.5x what it was in late March. It's unfortunate b/c this thing should die with how heavy the protocol has been and I'm worried we're going to relax into a wave 2 that's just a continuation of wave 1.At what point is it time to let people make their own decisions? Are we gonna lock grandma up forever and just bring her stuff when she needs it and pass it through a sanitized grommet in her front door? Many in the public and government are willing to accept more deaths, perhaps even the risk of their own. We do risky things each and every day by choice, like riding a bicycle or driving a car or getting in an airplane or having unprotected sex or being in crowded places where germs are being passed around. Disease and death are part of life. There is always going to be some level of acceptable collateral damage in these situations because we literally cannot fully contain this or anything like it.
I think this would not be a problem if the overwhelming majority of the population was as responsible as you and wear a mask to protect others. Yet we see there is pushback on people upset not only about their having to wear a mask to go to Costco, but also mad at the waitress at whatever shithole restaurant in Oklahoma for wearing one. The problem with this virus is you and I can take all the precautions we can and Billy Bob MI Militia Guy can fuck it all up by standing too close to you or breathing on your Amazon package he delivers to your or Grandma's house.
I live in BFE with all the rednecks who supposedly aren’t taking this seriously. Damn near everyone is wearing a mask and following government guidelines. I’m sure it’s easy to find tales online about one-off situations and turn them into a stereotype.
Hopefully you are correct, but given the reports of house parties in Chicago, what I see where I live, and what happened in OK, I'm not as optimistic as you are.
I live in BFE with all the rednecks who supposedly aren’t taking this seriously. Damn near everyone is wearing a mask and following government guidelines. I’m sure it’s easy to find tales online about one-off situations and turn them into a stereotype.
If you were taking it seriously you wouldn't even know if damn near everyone was wearing a mask because you wouldn't be close enough to enough people to make that assessment.
But it's good to hear those people storming the various statehouses with guns and no masks are just one-off situations.
How many instances of storming state houses with no masks and guns have occurred? I honestly don’t know.
The amount of pilfering going on right now at every level of society reminds of ants stockpiling for winter.We've always been a nation of plutocrats. It just used to not be so damned obvious.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/unreleased-white-house-report-shows-coronavirus-rates-spiking-heartland-communities-n1204751
And well represented I might add, with Stearns, Ramsey and Hennepin counties mentioned. I suppose world renowned health experts assumed that some day, the virus would hit an urban area with an international airport and high density places of employment.https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/unreleased-white-house-report-shows-coronavirus-rates-spiking-heartland-communities-n1204751
MN must be excited that Minneapolis made the list!
RIP Illinois economyPritzker says 2 max in a boat. Mom, Dad, and 2 kids is strictly verboten.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/unreleased-white-house-report-shows-coronavirus-rates-spiking-heartland-communities-n1204751
RIP Illinois economyPritzker says 2 max in a boat. Mom, Dad, and 2 kids is strictly verboten.
Goodness gracious.
Parents can be so irresponsible when it comes to their own kids.
RIP Illinois economyPritzker says 2 max in a boat. Mom, Dad, and 2 kids is strictly verboten.
Goodness gracious.
Parents can be so irresponsible when it comes to their own kids.
Pritzker is a big fat idiot, honestly can't believe he's governor there... like seriously how can you be a billionaire and be fat? Can't afford a personal trainer? He literally has no job other than being rich before this governor thing... dude is a pathetic waste of flesh... Mayor Haircut is the second biggest idiot in the state. Thank fuck I don't live in that shithole state anymore
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/unreleased-white-house-report-shows-coronavirus-rates-spiking-heartland-communities-n1204751
yeah they have more tests now of course cases are rising and guess where there's no fucking stopping the spread of this virus
also NBC is fake news... from their own damn link it shows rates are not spiking and going down https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-count-state-day-2020-united-states-n1173421
its something we will have to live with but thankfully flu season is ending
Pritzker is a big fat idiot, honestly can't believe he's governor there... like seriously how can you be a billionaire and be fat? Can't afford a personal trainer? He literally has no job other than being rich before this governor thing... dude is a pathetic waste of flesh... Mayor Haircut is the second biggest idiot in the state. Thank fuck I don't live in that shithole state anymore
Pritzker is a big fat idiot, honestly can't believe he's governor there... like seriously how can you be a billionaire and be fat? Can't afford a personal trainer? He literally has no job other than being rich before this governor thing... dude is a pathetic waste of flesh... Mayor Haircut is the second biggest idiot in the state. Thank fuck I don't live in that shithole state anymore
Are you implying that Trump isn't really a billionaire?
Doesn't sound like 97 is getting any during the lockdown. GrumpyGus1997 is more like it.
Doesn't sound like 97 is getting any during the lockdown. GrumpyGus1997 is more like it.
Moundhouse is all shut down!
Doesn't sound like 97 is getting any during the lockdown. GrumpyGus1997 is more like it.
Moundhouse is all shut down!
Doesn't sound like 97 is getting any during the lockdown. GrumpyGus1997 is more like it.
Moundhouse is all shut down!
Don’t tell crabby pants, but it looks like the Nevada Governor wants his administration to do something about climate change.
https://www.nevadacurrent.com/2020/05/05/climate-change-is-a-death-by-a-thousand-cuts/
He’ll probably commit harry carry if he finds out. Or worse, move back to Illinois.
Doesn't sound like 97 is getting any during the lockdown. GrumpyGus1997 is more like it.
Moundhouse is all shut down!
I stop in Mound House all the time to get gas before flying up the truck route to virginia city with my exotic car friends... good times
Doesn't sound like 97 is getting any during the lockdown. GrumpyGus1997 is more like it.
Moundhouse is all shut down!
Don’t tell crabby pants, but it looks like the Nevada Governor wants his administration to do something about climate change.
https://www.nevadacurrent.com/2020/05/05/climate-change-is-a-death-by-a-thousand-cuts/
He’ll probably commit harry carry if he finds out. Or worse, move back to Illinois.
nah I just had solar panels installed on my house, what have you done lately other than post dumbass links?
Doesn't sound like 97 is getting any during the lockdown. GrumpyGus1997 is more like it.
Moundhouse is all shut down!
I stop in Mound House all the time to get gas before flying up the truck route to virginia city with my exotic car friends... good times
And that's why the guys in the car club call you "The Cruiser"?
Doesn't sound like 97 is getting any during the lockdown. GrumpyGus1997 is more like it.
Moundhouse is all shut down!
Don’t tell crabby pants, but it looks like the Nevada Governor wants his administration to do something about climate change.
https://www.nevadacurrent.com/2020/05/05/climate-change-is-a-death-by-a-thousand-cuts/
He’ll probably commit harry carry if he finds out. Or worse, move back to Illinois.
nah I just had solar panels installed on my house, what have you done lately other than post dumbass links?
We just moved to a house that has fewer shade trees. The solar panels are scheduled for installation in July after we get some repair work done on the roof. We had been purchasing renewable energy credits.
Welcome to the Green Revolution, comrade. You’re helping Governor Sisolak meet the state’s renewable energy target, which was increased to 50% last year. He would be proud.
https://www.seia.org/news/seia-praises-nevada-governor-and-legislature-enacting-bill-increase-states-renewable-energy
26% tax credit was also nice, the math worked out to be pretty much even to what I'm paying for now... and it is the future
as for reducing CO2, I could really care less, we should be focusing on reducing more dangerous pollutants but I'm not king of the world so whatever, c'est la vie
LOL, Trump doing something selfless out of patriotism. GTFOH.
Howard comes off as hopelessly naive. I know he has known Trump for a long time but still, what has Trump done in the past 6 years that would lead anyone to believe he would do the right thing or act out of any interests that weren't completely self-motivated? Better chance that the sun comes up blue tomorrow.
https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/If only you could go to church and pray that the Constitution survives, and for the wisdom and guidance of Gov Awesome.
Good question
Governor Hitler of Mich approves this message.https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
Because the Constitution is not a suicide pact?
Governor Hitler of Mich approves this message.https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
Because the Constitution is not a suicide pact?
https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
That article is amusing at best, but it's really amusing when juxtaposed with the article below it that basically says "Well, see, it's only a problem for NYC because they are all smelly crowded people on the subways".
That's confirmation bias - NYC had it worst at the start because that was the entry point. If you fall into a vat of acid, your heart is just fine for a while, but your skin is pretty screwed. It's not because your skin is particularly susceptible to acid compared to your heart, it's just the surface touching the acid. If the acid gets to your heart, it's gonna dissolve too.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/greatest-increases-of-covid-deaths-projected-in-republican-states-193205068.html
The author of that article is from Kern County - home to none other than Congressman Kevin McCarthy. If Kern County does well, it's not because it's rural - it's because Gavin Newsom kicked holy ass with dealing with Coronavirus. If he was sloppy, well, the 5 and 99 go through Kern County and Bakersfield has huge amounts of meat and other food processing that is a magnet for transmission. They weren't gonna be any different than Sioux City. And despite all of this rural-ness, they still have a higher infection rate than Santa Clara County.
Governor Hitler of Mich approves this message.https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
Because the Constitution is not a suicide pact?
You should be ashamed of this type of bullshit.
https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
Because the Constitution is not a suicide pact?
https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
It's incredible how proud people are on the Internet to display how fucking stupid they actually are. Jesus Christ.
The Constitution doesn't protect from American citizens' abject stupidity.
Every single person advocating this kind of nonsense should be held directly accountable for the increased deaths that are absolutely coming as a result of this. Selfish, shameless, small-dick motherfuckers.
https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
Because the Constitution is not a suicide pact?
I'm disappointed in you PAM! Also disappointed that its come down to ruining the economy for decades or killing a few unhealthy boomers is now a political football
I fucking hate election years and this one has been far and away the worst!!!
Having a competent federal government
https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
Because the Constitution is not a suicide pact?
I'm disappointed in you PAM! Also disappointed that its come down to ruining the economy for decades or killing a few unhealthy boomers is now a political football
I fucking hate election years and this one has been far and away the worst!!!
Couldn’t agree more. At first it was “flatten the curve” now the left wants to keep everything shut down indefinitely because someone might get sick who might not have otherwise gotten sick. This shit is running rampant, we aren’t going to save everyone, luckily it hasn’t been hard on the healthy and children.
https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
It's incredible how proud people are on the Internet to display how fucking stupid they actually are. Jesus Christ.
The Constitution doesn't protect from American citizens' abject stupidity.
Every single person advocating this kind of nonsense should be held directly accountable for the increased deaths that are absolutely coming as a result of this. Selfish, shameless, small-dick motherfuckers.
deaths are coming (and going) no matter what you peckerhead... its a fucking virus, since we don't have a vaccine the only thing we can do to fight it is with our immune systems. There is literally nothing you can do to stop the spread... not a god damn thing, especially with the half assed attempts here in the US
yeah close down everything but grocery stores, and oh yeah, everyone still go there and spread disease there, oh lets close down the lakefront so when people go outside they can only go a few places... fucking brilliant, oh but wear a mask even though Fauchi said not to, what a fucking clown show
and with governors in the hardest lockdown areas suppressing antibody data is it any surprise that common sense is not prevailing at this time?
I guarantee nearly everyone here has already been exposed to this virus and their immune system did their job and defeated it, or had mild symptoms... someday, that data will come out but probably not until these economy ruining dipshits get re-elected
https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
Because the Constitution is not a suicide pact?
I'm disappointed in you PAM! Also disappointed that its come down to ruining the economy for decades or killing a few unhealthy boomers is now a political football
I fucking hate election years and this one has been far and away the worst!!!
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its an ongoing ever changing list of demands...
we need to Flatten the curve!
we need Ventilators!
we need PPE!
we need temporary hospitals and morgues!
we need to disinfect everything everywhere!
we need to wear Masks everywhere! Or is it don't wear masks unless you're showing symptoms, who knows! Dr. Fauci doesn't even know!
we need to work from home forever if you can!
we need a vaccine or effective treatment to fully open!
sigh
https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
Because the Constitution is not a suicide pact?
I'm disappointed in you PAM! Also disappointed that its come down to ruining the economy for decades or killing a few unhealthy boomers is now a political football
I fucking hate election years and this one has been far and away the worst!!!
https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
Because the Constitution is not a suicide pact?
I'm disappointed in you PAM! Also disappointed that its come down to ruining the economy for decades or killing a few unhealthy boomers is now a political football
I fucking hate election years and this one has been far and away the worst!!!
Couldn’t agree more. At first it was “flatten the curve” now the left wants to keep everything shut down indefinitely because someone might get sick who might not have otherwise gotten sick. This shit is running rampant, we aren’t going to save everyone, luckily it hasn’t been hard on the healthy and children.
Couldn’t agree more. At first it was “flatten the curve” now the left wants to keep everything shut down indefinitely because someone might get sick who might not have otherwise gotten sick. This shit is running rampant, we aren’t going to save everyone, luckily it hasn’t been hard on the healthy and children.
its an ongoing ever changing list of demands...
we need to Flatten the curve!
we need Ventilators!
we need PPE!
we need temporary hospitals and morgues!
we need to disinfect everything everywhere!
we need to wear Masks everywhere! Or is it don't wear masks unless you're showing symptoms, who knows! Dr. Fauci doesn't even know!
we need to work from home forever if you can!
we need a vaccine or effective treatment to fully open!
sigh
https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
Because the Constitution is not a suicide pact?
I'm disappointed in you PAM! Also disappointed that its come down to ruining the economy for decades or killing a few unhealthy boomers is now a political football
I fucking hate election years and this one has been far and away the worst!!!
This part is pretty amusing too. Ruining the economy for decades. During WW II, a huge percentage of the young healthy labor force was, instead of working, out in foxholes overseas. Instead of developing new technologies and starting businesses, we were making guns and tanks. Various foodstuffs and gasoline were being rationed.
After WWII the economy had a massive expansion. If COVID can be controlled/wiped out, the economy is going to go bonkers with all the pent up demand.
Couldn’t agree more. At first it was “flatten the curve” now the left wants to keep everything shut down indefinitely because someone might get sick who might not have otherwise gotten sick. This shit is running rampant, we aren’t going to save everyone, luckily it hasn’t been hard on the healthy and children.
its an ongoing ever changing list of demands...
we need to Flatten the curve!
we need Ventilators!
we need PPE!
we need temporary hospitals and morgues!
we need to disinfect everything everywhere!
we need to wear Masks everywhere! Or is it don't wear masks unless you're showing symptoms, who knows! Dr. Fauci doesn't even know!
we need to work from home forever if you can!
we need a vaccine or effective treatment to fully open!
sigh
Governor Hitler of Mich approves this message.https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
Because the Constitution is not a suicide pact?
https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
Because the Constitution is not a suicide pact?
I'm disappointed in you PAM! Also disappointed that its come down to ruining the economy for decades or killing a few unhealthy boomers is now a political football
I fucking hate election years and this one has been far and away the worst!!!
Couldn’t agree more. At first it was “flatten the curve” now the left wants to keep everything shut down indefinitely because someone might get sick who might not have otherwise gotten sick. This shit is running rampant, we aren’t going to save everyone, luckily it hasn’t been hard on the healthy and children.
No one has said "indefinitely".
Furthermore, you are reading about clusters of kids coming down with the Kawasaki Disease, whatever it is called, in hard hit areas as well as survivors with kidney ailments.
Can we give the doctors and scientists at least some time to figure things out so policy makers can try and make informed decisions on what to do?
https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
Because the Constitution is not a suicide pact?
I'm disappointed in you PAM! Also disappointed that its come down to ruining the economy for decades or killing a few unhealthy boomers is now a political football
I fucking hate election years and this one has been far and away the worst!!!
Couldn’t agree more. At first it was “flatten the curve” now the left wants to keep everything shut down indefinitely because someone might get sick who might not have otherwise gotten sick. This shit is running rampant, we aren’t going to save everyone, luckily it hasn’t been hard on the healthy and children.
No one has said "indefinitely".
Furthermore, you are reading about clusters of kids coming down with the Kawasaki Disease, whatever it is called, in hard hit areas as well as survivors with kidney ailments.
Can we give the doctors and scientists at least some time to figure things out so policy makers can try and make informed decisions on what to do?
Indefinitely. Have you read Pritzker’s guidelines for reopening the state?
Obviously you don’t own a small business you have spent your entire adult life scraping and clawing to build and keep afloat only to have it destroyed in a matter of a few months.
https://www.biospace.com/article/multiple-studies-suggest-covid-19-mortality-rate-may-be-lower-than-expected-/
https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/This article is wrong. Like not, "I disagree with his opinion," wrong, but "wow, this guy is a really big fuckin' moran" wrong. E.g., the first sentence is objectively false. He has no understanding of federalism or police powers, and no understanding of what it means to have a protected right vs. some other vague liberty interest. He claims to want a weak Constitution in the 2nd sentence but is asking for a mercilessly strong one.
Good question
[/b]https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
Because the Constitution is not a suicide pact?
I'm disappointed in you PAM! Also disappointed that its come down to ruining the economy for decades or killing a few unhealthy boomers is now a political football
I fucking hate election years and this one has been far and away the worst!!!
Couldn’t agree more. At first it was “flatten the curve” now the left wants to keep everything shut down indefinitely because someone might get sick who might not have otherwise gotten sick. This shit is running rampant, we aren’t going to save everyone, luckily it hasn’t been hard on the healthy and children.
No one has said "indefinitely".
Furthermore, you are reading about clusters of kids coming down with the Kawasaki Disease, whatever it is called, in hard hit areas as well as survivors with kidney ailments.
Can we give the doctors and scientists at least some time to figure things out so policy makers can try and make informed decisions on what to do?
Indefinitely. Have you read Pritzker’s guidelines for reopening the state?
Obviously you don’t own a small business you have spent your entire adult life scraping and clawing to build and keep afloat only to have it destroyed in a matter of a few months.
https://www.biospace.com/article/multiple-studies-suggest-covid-19-mortality-rate-may-be-lower-than-expected-/
Here is what I do not understand - Why do people think the economy is going to be ruined for decades?It doesn't make any sense to me either. We essentially rebounded from '08 financial crisis by ~2012 and that involved IMO much more severe issues with the financial/credit system. Whenever it's considered safe to reopen, reopen, unemployment is going to drop like a rock. Plus, a lot of companies, or even upper middle class to upper class people, have investment money on the sidelines and companies/individuals are putting a lot of effort into R&D.
I’ve learned a lot about identity politics
I love Youtube but wish there was a way of filtering out viral nonsense and that their "recommended videos" algo wasn't a piece of hot shit.I’ve learned a lot about identity politicsInstead of watching FOX or Colbert or Trevor Noah, find something useful. Youtube has a lot of really cool stuff on it.
I love Youtube but wish there was a way of filtering out viral nonsense and that their "recommended videos" algo wasn't a piece of hot shit.I’ve learned a lot about identity politicsInstead of watching FOX or Colbert or Trevor Noah, find something useful. Youtube has a lot of really cool stuff on it.
https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
Because the Constitution is not a suicide pact?
I'm disappointed in you PAM! Also disappointed that its come down to ruining the economy for decades or killing a few unhealthy boomers is now a political football
I fucking hate election years and this one has been far and away the worst!!!
https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
It's incredible how proud people are on the Internet to display how fucking stupid they actually are. Jesus Christ.
The Constitution doesn't protect from American citizens' abject stupidity.
Every single person advocating this kind of nonsense should be held directly accountable for the increased deaths that are absolutely coming as a result of this. Selfish, shameless, small-dick motherfuckers.
deaths are coming (and going) no matter what you peckerhead... its a fucking virus, since we don't have a vaccine the only thing we can do to fight it is with our immune systems. There is literally nothing you can do to stop the spread... not a god damn thing, especially with the half assed attempts here in the US
yeah close down everything but grocery stores, and oh yeah, everyone still go there and spread disease there, oh lets close down the lakefront so when people go outside they can only go a few places... fucking brilliant, oh but wear a mask even though Fauchi said not to, what a fucking clown show
and with governors in the hardest lockdown areas suppressing antibody data is it any surprise that common sense is not prevailing at this time?
I guarantee nearly everyone here has already been exposed to this virus and their immune system did their job and defeated it, or had mild symptoms... someday, that data will come out but probably not until these economy ruining dipshits get re-elected
I’ve learned a lot about identity politics
You guys suck at quarantine.
I learned how to effectively dice onions. I learned how to stake tomatoes instead of caging them, and how to get better germination of lettuce and basil. I learned my closet would be a lot less annoying if I got rid of my 1989 Alpha Gam Barn Dance T-shirt and hundreds of other pieces of sentimental stuff I'll never need. I learned how to clear the downhill stairs on my local Mountain Bike run. I learned how to get the woodpeckers to stop trying to bust into my attic. I learned how to beat my kid at Magic the Gathering, and how to "do a carry in ROBLOX" at his behest. I learned I my father-in-law is a pretty good Euchre player once he figured out this whole online thing. I figured out how to cook at least a dozen really good dishes.
Instead of watching FOX or Colbert or Trevor Noah, find something useful. Youtube has a lot of really cool stuff on it.
I love Youtube but wish there was a way of filtering out viral nonsense and that their "recommended videos" algo wasn't a piece of hot shit.
I love Youtube but wish there was a way of filtering out viral nonsense and that their "recommended videos" algo wasn't a piece of hot shit.
When I get a link to a recommended Hannity or Tucker clip, I'll open Incognito. Invariably, it's sponsored by the Epoch Times.
Thing I can't figure out is why they (Epoch Times) think anyone will be persuaded by a Russian guy, with an obvious Russian accent, who's pretending to be a regular American.
Worse is contemplating that Fox viewers might be.
I love Youtube but wish there was a way of filtering out viral nonsense and that their "recommended videos" algo wasn't a piece of hot shit.I’ve learned a lot about identity politicsInstead of watching FOX or Colbert or Trevor Noah, find something useful. Youtube has a lot of really cool stuff on it.
https://www.aier.org/article/why-didnt-the-constitution-stop-this/
Good question
Because the Constitution is not a suicide pact?
I'm disappointed in you PAM! Also disappointed that its come down to ruining the economy for decades or killing a few unhealthy boomers is now a political football
I fucking hate election years and this one has been far and away the worst!!!
'killing a few unhealthy boomers'
selfish as fuck. pathetic.
I also learned that I take haircuts for granted, I’m getting awfully close to having a full on Jeremiah Johnson look going on.
I love Youtube but wish there was a way of filtering out viral nonsense and that their "recommended videos" algo wasn't a piece of hot shit.I’ve learned a lot about identity politicsInstead of watching FOX or Colbert or Trevor Noah, find something useful. Youtube has a lot of really cool stuff on it.
But when you search "Fertilizing pumpkins" you don't get viral nonsense. I don't bother with the feed, I go straight to direct search terms. There's some incredible stuff - a few years back my air conditioner crapped out. I have no knowledge of AC units at all, within a day I had it fixed for like $14, by watching a YouTube, "it's probably your starting capacitor, here's how to replace it". Probably saved me $200
I love Youtube but wish there was a way of filtering out viral nonsense and that their "recommended videos" algo wasn't a piece of hot shit.
When I get a link to a recommended Hannity or Tucker clip, I'll open Incognito. Invariably, it's sponsored by the Epoch Times.
Thing I can't figure out is why they (Epoch Times) think anyone will be persuaded by a Russian guy, with an obvious Russian accent, who's pretending to be a regular American.
Worse is contemplating that Fox viewers might be.
lay off the drugs man, what are you like an opiod addict now or something? you're being way more strange than normal
Crikey…
‘Something we’ve never seen before’: Scientists still trying to understand baffling, unpredictable coronavirus
The new coronavirus has spread like wildfire, killed — and spared — people of all ages and all health conditions, baffled doctors, defied guidance and conventional wisdom, and produced an unprecedented array of symptoms.
There’s never been a virus like it.
“This gets into every major biological process in our cells,” said Nevan J. Krogan, a molecular biologist at the University of California, San Francisco, who has studied HIV, Ebola, Zika, dengue and other viruses over the last 13 years.
“At the molecular level, it’s something we’ve never seen before, and then look at what it does to the body — the long list of symptoms — we’ve never seen that before.”
https://www.sj-r.com/zz/news/20200518/something-weve-never-seen-before-scientists-still-trying-to-understand-baffling-unpredictable-coronavirus
Co-sign. We have a pair of clippers now
Someone shared this with me. This page is definitely NSFW so beware. If you decide to check it out make sure to read the description which is right below the video. The best is at the end. Fucking celebrities.
https://efukt.com/23065_CELEBRITIES_REACT_CORONA_VIRUS.html
I last sat in a barber's chair in 1998.
I think I have three sets of Wahl, all from dumpster diving (mostly in their cases, clean, with all the gadgets). Where the fuck is CT?
I already had a smaller Norelco clippers, which worked well enough for grooming. But the keys to home haircuts are mirrors and long-ass scissors.
Luckily, I discovered a pair of long-ass scissors at Target, in the dollar section, among cheap plastic toys. They were being marketed as a cheap toy for $1. The blades are 13 inches long.
We have mirrors on both sides of the bathroom, plus a handheld mirror. I use the scissors on the lower rear portion of my head, and work outward around the sides. The clippers even things out. From there, I comb everything forward and clip the ends. The final result is a basic crew cut. It doesn't take much time, but I usually do it after I've been drinking for a while and highly recommend that incentive.
I guess it helps that my hair decided to stop growing on significant portions of my head.
“They think they are taking away Donald Trump’s greatest tool, which is being able to go into an arena and fill it with 50,000 people every single time. You watch, they’ll milk it every single day between now and November 3. And guess what, after November 3, coronavirus will magically all of a sudden go away and disappear and everybody will be able to reopen.” -- Eric Trump (Justice with Judge Jeannine, May 17, 2020)
That's cool, won't shade it, but I can fade 20 bucks to go have Greg cut my hair, he's a good guy. I grow my own fruits and veggies, fix my home appliances, design the processors in my computer. Everyone has their own skillz.
I’ve been out and about a lot the last 4-5 days people are pretty much saying fuck it on the masks and social distancing except where required so I’m sure we will see a giant outbreak of tens of cases
I’ve been out and about a lot the last 4-5 days people are pretty much saying fuck it on the masks and social distancing except where required so I’m sure we will see a giant outbreak of tens of cases
Do any of you motherfuckers read the Illiniboard-related off-topic forum The Deuce?
Well, I do.
here's the deal with the "caronavirus"
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
this will be one of the biggest economic blunders in our nations history
I am not referring to rich people when I say this is the biggest economic blunder ever...here's the deal with the "caronavirus"
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
this will be one of the biggest economic blunders in our nations history
Lighten up Francis.
It's a big economic blunder for a very specific subset of wealthy people. The bottom 50% have zero savings to lose, most are living paycheck to paycheck. If we can bridge that cohort with whatever direct aid we need to get them through this alive, there will be plenty of jobs for them to go back to exactly where they were to begin with.
Money is a fictional concept.
What is not fictional, and a key part of our society, is our health care system, which relies on doctors, nurses, etc.. If we went with business as usual, the amount of total cases would be several X what it will be, meaning those doctors and nurses would have longer extended exposure. That cohort is already the most exposed part of our population, and the part of that cohort that will fare the worst are the older more experienced doctors and nurses who are key to training the next generation. If we lose too many of them, it would set our healthcare system back greatly.
I will note that there is a clear long term impact on our society that will be felt down the road in that the next couple of years of college graduates, especially in technical fields (engineering, medicine) will have taken a big hit and will not hit the ground running as well as usual.
Money is a fictional concept.
I am not referring to rich people when I say this is the biggest economic blunder ever...
I am referring to the millions of small businesses that will shut down due to the excessive lockdown measures enacted by our clown show local government leaders
Big box stores are doing GREAT! All their competition is not allowed to operate right now
Chain restaurants are doing GREAT! As nearly all their competition has or will be wiped out
Small businesses are the growth engine of the US economy they are nearly the entire creator of jobs in the economy
https://sbecouncil.org/about-us/facts-and-data/
do you have any fucking clue how hard it is to operate and start a small business? I'm sure you have some idea as a vacation rental owner..
These jobs are NOT coming back any time soon!
Money is an exchange for goods and services, if we don't make goods, or provide services the money is worthless!
as for the X number of more cases murph, we have laid off 1.4 MILLION healthcare workers in April!!!!! The initial 14 days to flatten the curve was fine, what was not fine was the insanity of never ending lock down that prevailed after that
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/08/852435761/as-hospitals-lose-revenue-thousands-of-health-care-workers-face-furloughs-layoff
almost all the mobile hospitals we set up went unused
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/851712311/u-s-field-hospitals-stand-down-most-without-treating-any-covid-19-patients
its like a comedy of errors at this point and its infuriating
Oh, here ya go murph, I wouldn't want you to get in trouble
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/slideshow/What-am-I-allowed-to-do-outside-this-Memorial-Day-202618.php
There are other costs in starting up and maintaining a small business, but commercial lenders demanding rent in full from restaurants etc., thinking that they're going to waltz into court and get an easy joint action victory in 2 months I think are sorely mistaken, and lenders who do that are likely going to find themselves out of business because that's the antithesis of how good commercial real estate entities operate.
Whenever this thing ends, it's going to be a tenants' market on the commercial RE side. Every white collar employer in America is conducting an ongoing r&d project about the feasibility of having a paperless or remote office and maintaining efficiency. If your small business needs a physical footprint, it'll likely be as cheap as its ever been in the next few years. And *if* we have restaurants that go away because of lost revenue, I suspect you'll see a spate of food service openings to fill the demand that is already there. As long as the credit markets remain open (contra 08) it's not like we're going to lose restaurants and bars or other businesses.
I am not referring to rich people when I say this is the biggest economic blunder ever...
I am referring to the millions of small businesses that will shut down due to the excessive lockdown measures enacted by our clown show local government leaders
Big box stores are doing GREAT! All their competition is not allowed to operate right now
Chain restaurants are doing GREAT! As nearly all their competition has or will be wiped out
Small businesses are the growth engine of the US economy they are nearly the entire creator of jobs in the economy
https://sbecouncil.org/about-us/facts-and-data/
do you have any fucking clue how hard it is to operate and start a small business? I'm sure you have some idea as a vacation rental owner..
These jobs are NOT coming back any time soon!
Money is an exchange for goods and services, if we don't make goods, or provide services the money is worthless!
as for the X number of more cases murph, we have laid off 1.4 MILLION healthcare workers in April!!!!! The initial 14 days to flatten the curve was fine, what was not fine was the insanity of never ending lock down that prevailed after that
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/08/852435761/as-hospitals-lose-revenue-thousands-of-health-care-workers-face-furloughs-layoff
almost all the mobile hospitals we set up went unused
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/851712311/u-s-field-hospitals-stand-down-most-without-treating-any-covid-19-patients
its like a comedy of errors at this point and its infuriating
Oh, here ya go murph, I wouldn't want you to get in trouble
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/slideshow/What-am-I-allowed-to-do-outside-this-Memorial-Day-202618.php
If you own a small business, you are better off than at minimum 50% of the country. And if you were able to put yourself in that position, you'll do fine unless your brain shut down completely. The opportunity post pandemic will be massive. The people with the moxie to start a small business before will have that same moxie but with a wider set of opportunity.
Declare bankruptcy and move on, with the backing of our society if we aren't complete morons. Who loses? Landlords. Screw em. We should value labor over capital. If small businesses are needing to declare bankruptcy it's because the landlords expected them to pay rent as usual while they were in metaphorical breach. We have a bill in the CA Senate requiring retail landlords to give rent reductions because the tenants are not getting the value that the landlord promised - if the restaurant can only seat 50% as many people because of distancing regulations, then the tenant is not getting the same thing the landlord offered when the lease was signed.
I think what this comes down to is that you're a money pusher without any inherent skillset, you don't design or produce anything of real value, do any real additive work for society. The pandemic threatens the model where you can make money from thin air, and that makes you angry.
Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp announced late Thursday that his state had fewer than 1,000 residents hospitalized for coronavirus. The number represents a 38% decline in hospitalizations since May 1, when the state began to reopen.
I wholeheartedly agree with the 1st sentence, and all governors need to not oversell and to stress that things can change in a day. I think Kemp is asking Georgians to continue social distancing.Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp announced late Thursday that his state had fewer than 1,000 residents hospitalized for coronavirus. The number represents a 38% decline in hospitalizations since May 1, when the state began to reopen.
It’s important for the Governor not to oversell the trend. Things can change with this virus, especially since states are "reopening" without adequate mitigation programs in place (i.e., testing, tracing and isolation measures).
New COVID-19 hospitalizations in Georgia back on the rise (May 23, 2020)
Data from the last month show a noticeable rise in the last week or so.
"One of the coronavirus statistics Gov. Brian Kemp has highlighted on numerous occasions as a sign things are improving in Georgia is active hospitalizations."
"He tweeted on Tuesday when the number dipped below 1,000 to 986, a 34% drop since May 1. Again on Friday, his office sent out a release that the number of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Georgia was at a new low, 887 - a 40% drop since the beginning of the month."
"That overall falling trend is now, however, at odds with the rate of new patients being hospitalized."
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/georgia-coronavirus-hospitalizations-back-on-rise/85-bca8724b-b236-4d71-a0ea-db949df5eb5a
Suicides in Colorado are down 40% for March and April according to today's Denver Post. Also, overall deaths are up by 20% in same time frame. Too bad we don't have CDC doing all the unbiased statistics that would normally be expected to guide us thru.This makes everything clear as mud .....
I wouldn't be surprised if an increase in hospitalizations may in part be due to increase in testing.
https://apple.news/AEttBi3DmQsqUbZsIw_LNag
https://apple.news/AEttBi3DmQsqUbZsIw_LNag
What are the odds that Americans en masse would follow the directives noted in the article and also wear the 2 masks given to them by the government?
Japan enacted almost the same exact measures on the same timeline the US did. Seems like most Americans have followed the directives pretty well.
I got my masks from a lady on the other side of the lake that makes them and donates them. They wouldn’t accept any money for them (And they don’t need the money) but I gave them some as a donation to get more material and pay it forward. So I actually wish I had gotten masks in the mail, and I’ve talked to others that have had a hard time acquiring masks as well.
If I had to wager I’d say there’s a major discrepancy between the way testing is performed and reported, the threshold and definition of what qualifies as a COVID death, and the much, much healthier Japanese elderly population as compared to that of the United States.
The Japanese are certainly different than Americans, but they still live in crowded cities and didn’t have as strict of a lockdown as most of the US did.
Tokyo area has more people than the entire state of Illinois and they’re getting single digit new cases per day and Chicago and NYC are getting completely slammed with new cases. But Chicago and NYC are doing a ton of testing so they’re finding a lot of cases that were asymptomatic and/or recovered at home whereas Japan is not doing much testing at all.
And yes there has to be some fudging of the numbers going on.
I don’t think “somewhat common” mask wearing is the primary factor driving this enormous disparity. Maybe God is punishing us for not pixelating our porn. And why does the pixelator guy get to have all the fun?
Japan enacted almost the same exact measures on the same timeline the US did. Seems like most Americans have followed the directives pretty well.
I got my masks from a lady on the other side of the lake that makes them and donates them. They wouldn’t accept any money for them (And they don’t need the money) but I gave them some as a donation to get more material and pay it forward. So I actually wish I had gotten masks in the mail, and I’ve talked to others that have had a hard time acquiring masks as well.
If I had to wager I’d say there’s a major discrepancy between the way testing is performed and reported, the threshold and definition of what qualifies as a COVID death, and the much, much healthier Japanese elderly population as compared to that of the United States.
Can’t live locked indoors scared foreverHave you considered a couple of months or so in the developing nation of Chaz ?
Can’t live locked indoors scared forever
Can’t live locked indoors scared forever
No, but we can all wear masks. But that appears to be too much to ask.
And now, the rest of the story....https://www.theblaze.com/news/donald-trump-chokeholds-media
https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-doctored-photos-of-seattle-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone-report?ref=home
And now, the rest of the story....We'll post the positive results first because It's in the public interest.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-doctored-photos-of-seattle-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone-report?ref=home
Can’t live locked indoors scared forever
No, but we can all wear masks. But that appears to be too much to ask.
I don’t remember government leaders and public health officials saying we would be sheltering-in-place “forever.”
I do recall the leaders of the President’s virus response efforts, along with medical experts, recommending that the federal government and states work together to develop a comprehensive strategy for testing the sick, contact tracing and isolation so that when the “economy reopened,” it would be done so with more effective safety measures in place. This would allow us to track and manage outbreaks, avoid shutting down large segments of the economy again and buy time until new drugs and vaccines arrive.
Unfortunately, our government leaders haven’t taken their recommendations seriously. We haven't staffed up state and local health departments properly to do the contact tracing and keep the virus at bay. Over the last two weeks we’ve seen an uptick in cases and hospitalizations in many parts of the country, including AZ, TX, FL, CA and ARK. Local medical officials are warning that hospitals could soon be at capacity.
Most of us spent two months staying inside as much as possible, wearing masks when we went out and sanitizing our hands regularly. We did this out of a collective concern to slow the spread, not because we were scared. And while our individual actions helped flatten the curve, the lackluster and incompetent response of the President and many state leaders have doomed us to a new surge of the virus.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/donald-trump-chokeholds-media
Smite me, soy boys.
Again, wearing a mask is more to protect others from you. If life was fair, this would be a Darwin moment and all the aggrieved snowflakes refusing to wear masks would eat it. But life is not fair.
Smite me, soy boys.
Is this an agriculturally based epithet, or for people who don't drink Real Man Milk?
GOP Senator: 'Haven't Decided' if I'll Wear Mask at Trump's Tulsa Rally
Sen. James Lankford (R-OK) confirmed on Sunday that he’ll attend President Trump’s upcoming campaign rally in Oklahoma, adding that despite the state’s rising coronavirus cases he has yet to decide if he’ll wear a face mask during the event, the Daily Beast reports.
During an appearance on CNN’s State of the Union, Lankford was asked by anchor Jake Tapper about the Tulsa rally, which will be held this Saturday in an arena that has canceled all other events through July due to the COVID-19 pandemic that has killed over 115,000 Americans.
“CDC guidelines say that you shouldn’t go into a packed arena indoors,” Tapper noted. “But if you do, you should wear masks. Are you going to be wearing a mask? Would you encourage other attendees to wear a mask?”
Noting that he’s recently worn a mask at a restaurant and thus assumes he’s “going to have it,” the Republican lawmaker went on to say he’s still “trying to figure out the best way to be able to do this.”
“You see actually very few masks in Oklahoma now,” Lankford said, further adding: “There are still some that use masks. But we encourage people strongly if they’re high-risk individuals, if they’re older individuals, if they have other health issues not to get out even with a mask.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-senator-james-lankford-says-hasnt-decided-if-hell-wear-mask-at-trumps-tulsa-rally/?via=twitter_page
Let’s see: indoor setting, lots of people (including seniors), close quarters, and chanting and shouting.
I vote for wearing the mask and encouraging others to do so.
Smite me, soy boys.
Is this an agriculturally based epithet, or for people who don't drink Real Man Milk?
I don’t really know the origin but the picture I have in my mind is of effeminate modern males who have low testosterone and elevated estrogens due to diet and/or environment. The soy specific reference perhaps referring to the much studied soybean isoflavones. But I could be wrong.
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This graphic is interesting but will be misinterpreted by most. Illinois new cases per day has been falling more than most states so they get a green color, but that doesn't mean that Illinois new cases are lower than states with red hues.
Illinois has the sixth highest per capita rate of infection of the 50 states. So they've been having a lot of cases. A drop in the number of new daily cases means it's getting bad less fast compared to what it was doing in Illinois previously, but it doesn't mean it's getting bad less fast than other places.
Be nice if we could get positive test rates to compare....just call me BigPAMan for not Goggling....
Good luck with whatever your preferred outcome is! Hard to tell these days.Real men have the balls to sit on a fence and kick horses on both sides.
Good luck with whatever your preferred outcome is! Hard to tell these days.
Good luck with whatever your preferred outcome is! Hard to tell these days.Real men have the balls to sit on a fence and kick horses on both sides.
The test won't tell you that.Almost every disease known to man produces some sort of immunity after infection. It would be highly unusual if this one didn’t. The media is misinterpreting scientists saying “There’s no evidence of immunity” (meaning they can’t prove it) as meaning there’s a significant possibility that there’s no immunity. Chances are extremely high that infection creates immunity, although maybe not for a really long time.
And there's nothing I've seen to suggest a developed immunity from exposure.
Good luck.
Ironically, hops have high estrogen content, so drinking White Claw might result in lower estrogen levels than slamming Bud Lights (assuming Bud Light has hops, that is).Smite me, soy boys.
Is this an agriculturally based epithet, or for people who don't drink Real Man Milk?
I don’t really know the origin but the picture I have in my mind is of effeminate modern males who have low testosterone and elevated estrogens due to diet and/or environment. The soy specific reference perhaps referring to the much studied soybean isoflavones. But I could be wrong.
True.The test won't tell you that.Almost every disease known to man produces some sort of immunity after infection. It would be highly unusual if this one didn’t. The media is misinterpreting scientists saying “There’s no evidence of immunity” (meaning they can’t prove it) as meaning there’s a significant possibility that there’s no immunity. Chances are extremely high that infection creates immunity, although maybe not for a really long time.
And there's nothing I've seen to suggest a developed immunity from exposure.
Good luck.
The test won't tell you that.Almost every disease known to man produces some sort of immunity after infection. It would be highly unusual if this one didn’t. The media is misinterpreting scientists saying “There’s no evidence of immunity” (meaning they can’t prove it) as meaning there’s a significant possibility that there’s no immunity. Chances are extremely high that infection creates immunity, although maybe not for a really long time.
And there's nothing I've seen to suggest a developed immunity from exposure.
Good luck.
Steroids are complicated, because they reduce inflammation (good) but they weaken the immune system (normally bad), but for some patients whose immune systems are overreacting, maybe weakening their immune systems is a good thing. Starting to look like steroids help, but I would think it should be done on a patient-by-patient basis depending on symptoms.True.The test won't tell you that.Almost every disease known to man produces some sort of immunity after infection. It would be highly unusual if this one didn’t. The media is misinterpreting scientists saying “There’s no evidence of immunity” (meaning they can’t prove it) as meaning there’s a significant possibility that there’s no immunity. Chances are extremely high that infection creates immunity, although maybe not for a really long time.
And there's nothing I've seen to suggest a developed immunity from exposure.
Good luck.
I'm not sure I've seen anything to dispute the possibility of immunity tho. Until It's shown, it's just too soon to know.
I think the term "cytokine storm" began being used to describe coronavirus responses about the same time kids were presenting with a variant of Kawasaki disease. So, early May ?
I heard cytokine storm and told my wife, give them steroids. Disclaimer, each case needs to be examined medically for pros and cons and suitability.
There's plenty we don't know about the virus.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/health/dexamethasone-covid-drug-recovery-trial-bn/index.html
Fake news.The test won't tell you that.Almost every disease known to man produces some sort of immunity after infection. It would be highly unusual if this one didn’t. The media is misinterpreting scientists saying “There’s no evidence of immunity” (meaning they can’t prove it) as meaning there’s a significant possibility that there’s no immunity. Chances are extremely high that infection creates immunity, although maybe not for a really long time.
And there's nothing I've seen to suggest a developed immunity from exposure.
Good luck.
Scientific studies have shown that once you die from COVID, you will never get it again.
Cytokine storm would indicate a systemic inflammatory response, and that's the description of some covid patients that I remember hearing.Steroids are complicated, because they reduce inflammation (good) but they weaken the immune system (normally bad), but for some patients whose immune systems are overreacting, maybe weakening their immune systems is a good thing. Starting to look like steroids help, but I would think it should be done on a patient-by-patient basis depending on symptoms.True.The test won't tell you that.Almost every disease known to man produces some sort of immunity after infection. It would be highly unusual if this one didn’t. The media is misinterpreting scientists saying “There’s no evidence of immunity” (meaning they can’t prove it) as meaning there’s a significant possibility that there’s no immunity. Chances are extremely high that infection creates immunity, although maybe not for a really long time.
And there's nothing I've seen to suggest a developed immunity from exposure.
Good luck.
I'm not sure I've seen anything to dispute the possibility of immunity tho. Until It's shown, it's just too soon to know.
I think the term "cytokine storm" began being used to describe coronavirus responses about the same time kids were presenting with a variant of Kawasaki disease. So, early May ?
I heard cytokine storm and told my wife, give them steroids. Disclaimer, each case needs to be examined medically for pros and cons and suitability.
There's plenty we don't know about the virus.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/health/dexamethasone-covid-drug-recovery-trial-bn/index.html
I’m gonna go out on what I feel is a pretty sturdy limb and say that the human immune response will be similar to other viral infections and that reinfections will be relatively rare if not statistically insignificant. Of course it’s prudent to be cautious and such but it’s pretty clear the verdict is in and we aren’t exactly dealing with the doomsday virus or Captain Trips here. The way that this has become an identity politics issue is pretty unsettling.
Who fucked up the board and made it Shitty?! They completely changed the mobile format and this one sucksWrong thread, Judge
Illinois is seeing fewer cases with a less steep curve on deaths.Deaths lag cases - we try to save people and some times after a while they die anyway
Nevada’s case total is rapidly rising and its death toll is rapidly falling.
Indicating more testing of people who aren’t seriously ill or ill at all?
Appears we are building herd immunity with relatively minimal consequences, all things considered. But it’s definitely a good opportunity to lambaste the red states for flaunting the guidelines.
Appears we are building herd immunity with relatively minimal consequences, all things considered. But it’s definitely a good opportunity to lambaste the red states for flaunting the guidelines.
Well, I also have immediate family in the healthcare industry.
Well, I also have immediate family in the healthcare industry.
how concerned were they about H1N1?
how concerned were they about H1N1?
Like, how concerned were they? Like shut down the economy concerned?
For those interested, here’s a NPR story on the status of coronavirus contact tracing efforts at the state level:
As States Reopen, Do They Have The Workforce They Need To Stop Coronavirus Outbreaks?
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/06/18/879787448/as-states-reopen-do-they-have-the-workforce-they-need-to-stop-coronavirus-outbre
What a complete farce and waste of moneyContact tracing can be very effective during the early stages of a contagious disease. Especially if the population is receptive to government monitoring.
What a complete farce and waste of money
how concerned were they about H1N1?
It's too bad you tried to troll on this particular topic because I've been writing about Influenza for years, including on many occasions within the Cesspool.
The answer, of course, is extremely concerned — and diligent — about the severity of any seasonal mutation.
In fact, much more concerned than the scope of your unsurprisingly ignorant question. Because, of course, it's not just H1N1 that poses a pandemic threat.
The 1968 pandemic was H3N2. 1957's was H2N2.
For those interested, here’s a NPR story on the status of coronavirus contact tracing efforts at the state level:
As States Reopen, Do They Have The Workforce They Need To Stop Coronavirus Outbreaks?
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/06/18/879787448/as-states-reopen-do-they-have-the-workforce-they-need-to-stop-coronavirus-outbre
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-apply-contact-tracer-work-remotely-with-benefits-2020-5
A contact tracer in NYC can make a $57,000 salary with benefits and work remotely.
https://work.chron.com/starting-wage-nypd-8547.html
New officers in the NYPD receive a starting base salary of $42,500 a year.
And for how the people who start at more than an NYPD officer are doing in their stay at home phone jobs .....
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2020/06/20/new-york-city-hired-3000-workers-contact-tracing-not-going-well
Perry Halkitis, dean of the School of Public Health at Rutgers University, which is guiding an effort to bring on thousands of tracers in New Jersey, called New York City’s 35% rate for eliciting contacts “very bad.”
“For each person, you should be in touch with 75% of their contacts within a day,” he said.
Coronavirus News: NYPD announces 43rd COVID-19 death in department
.241 NYPD officers have died from 9/11 illnesses, 10 times the number killed in World Trade Center attack
https://time.com/5702036/10th-police-suicide-nypd-new-york-city/
The rate of suicides among NYPD police officers is already higher than for other residents of New York City. The rate of suicides for uniformed NYPD personnel is 13.8 per 100,000 people (according to 2017 data) while for the city’s population overall it is 6.7 per 100,000 (according to 2016 data). Some officers and experts say that on-the-job trauma and stress, combined with a culture of stigmatizing mental illness, create conditions that are dangerous to officers’ mental health.
Seems like a fair trade for those benefits after 5 years. Especially with a mayor backing you 100%.
I think we are both free thinkers who choose to live life on our own terms as much as possible. I usually try to reconcile what I’ve been told with what I observe in order to come to an opinion on a given topic.
My opinions are almost always fluid dependent on new information and observations, and my understanding of their relationship to one another.
As of right now there seem to be some gaping holes in what passes for the official story of this pandemic and it’s supposed severity. Our government and media has a history of never letting a crisis go to waste, and I think this is almost certainly another example of that. To what degree I am uncertain.
Was it good to be cautious? Yes, in my opinion.
Was it good to respect others and stay home whenever possible and wear a mask when out? Yes, in my opinion.
Has this had a terrible impact on people across the globe? Yes, that’s a fact.
Should we close everything down every time a novel virus appears? I don’t believe so, but the precedent has kind of been set.
Have a lot of people been crying wolf in this country for 3.5 months when the wolf seems to be more akin to a house dog with rabies? Yes, in my opinion.
Had this been used as a political football to the point of sickening excess? Yes, in my opinion.
Do I know vastly more vulnerable people that have been economically devastated or severely damaged than have been impacted by the actual virus? Yes, exponentially, without question.
I have always applauded your frugal and minimalist lifestyle, reusing and repurposing and literally consuming other folks’ castoff goods and foods.
I think you probably know as well as I do that COVID-19 is probably the 9/11 of this era. Yet I also realize you have an unspoken obligation to stand in solidarity with your fellow moral high ground seeking, virtue signaling, dazzling Urbanites.
how concerned were they about H1N1?
It's too bad you tried to troll on this particular topic because I've been writing about Influenza for years, including on many occasions within the Cesspool.
The answer, of course, is extremely concerned — and diligent — about the severity of any seasonal mutation.
In fact, much more concerned than the scope of your unsurprisingly ignorant question. Because, of course, it's not just H1N1 that poses a pandemic threat.
The 1968 pandemic was H3N2. 1957's was H2N2.
Unfortunately we’ve had another pandemic spreading throughout our country for the last 20-30 years: distortion and willful ignorance. We’ve seen examples of it related to the science of climate change, vaccinations and GMOs.
Dr. Anthony Fauci: "One of the problems we face in the United States is that unfortunately, there is a combination of an anti-science bias that people are - for reasons that sometimes are, you know, inconceivable and not understandable - they just don't believe science and they don't believe authority."
https://www.sciencealert.com/fauci-is-worried-about-anti-science-bias-in-the-us-as-stay-at-home-orders-are-thwarted
When a vaccine becomes available for COVID-19, I’ll be watching to see if the anti-vaxxers hook up with the COVID hoaxers/contrarians to oppose vaccination programs at the local level.
Anti-Vaccine Activists Latch Onto Coronavirus To Bolster Their Movement
https://khn.org/news/anti-vaccine-activists-latch-onto-coronavirus-to-bolster-their-movement/
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-apply-contact-tracer-work-remotely-with-benefits-2020-5
A contact tracer in NYC can make a $57,000 salary with benefits and work remotely.
https://work.chron.com/starting-wage-nypd-8547.html
New officers in the NYPD receive a starting base salary of $42,500 a year.
And for how the people who start at more than an NYPD officer are doing in their stay at home phone jobs .....
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2020/06/20/new-york-city-hired-3000-workers-contact-tracing-not-going-well
Perry Halkitis, dean of the School of Public Health at Rutgers University, which is guiding an effort to bring on thousands of tracers in New Jersey, called New York City’s 35% rate for eliciting contacts “very bad.”
“For each person, you should be in touch with 75% of their contacts within a day,” he said.
Coronavirus News: NYPD announces 43rd COVID-19 death in department
.241 NYPD officers have died from 9/11 illnesses, 10 times the number killed in World Trade Center attack
https://time.com/5702036/10th-police-suicide-nypd-new-york-city/
The rate of suicides among NYPD police officers is already higher than for other residents of New York City. The rate of suicides for uniformed NYPD personnel is 13.8 per 100,000 people (according to 2017 data) while for the city’s population overall it is 6.7 per 100,000 (according to 2016 data). Some officers and experts say that on-the-job trauma and stress, combined with a culture of stigmatizing mental illness, create conditions that are dangerous to officers’ mental health.
Seems like a fair trade for those benefits after 5 years. Especially with a mayor backing you 100%.
What an odd time to say something like:
“They don’t believe authority”
I know there are relatively small segments of people who are anti-science in certain ways. For instance I have creationist relatives who also believe/accept pretty much every other science.
That’s a lot different than someone who is actively anti-science across the spectrum and I don’t know any of those at all, nor have even really heard of any.
But I think there is a lot of suspect science being put forth as settled science right now regarding COVID-19 and a lot of people just aren’t buying it.
“Anti-science“ is just another term made up to shame people who don’t blindly toe the line or “listen to authority”
Much of scientific discovery can be manipulated and distorted like any other statistic. It’s not concrete and it can and often is subject to extreme bias.
The Warren Commission used science to sell Americans that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman in JFK’s assassination and the magic bullet theory.
I think it’s ok to question “authority” when your own eyes and ears tell you something completely different than the party line. I fear for a world when that no longer exists.
I think it’s ok to question “authority” when your own eyes and ears tell you something completely different than the party line.
This is boilerplate anti-science.What astounds me here is that we largely insulate and remove a lot of scientific personnel and organizations from political turnover because we know politics should be kept separate from science. Dr. Fauci hasn't been in his job through four party shifts because he's a political hack, so treating him like The Big Bad Government is...weird. These morons have literally trusted the party controlling the executive branch, Senate, and effectively the judiciary over a non-partisan organization whose sustainability is dependent on effectively applying the scientific method to public health.
If scientific discovery is manipulated - then it isn't science. What you describe is "not trusting people" as opposed to "not trusting science". The field of science is very meta - psychology is a science as well, and it understands that people will use nefarious motives to achieve goals. That's why the fields of science have put in place backstops against this - peer review, etc...
You do realize your strange juxtaposition of “peer reviewed science” with rapidly developing news stories from hundreds of labs reporting different findings on a mutating virus in real time, right?Peer review was offered as one control on the misuse of science. There are others, as I'm sure you're well aware.
You do realize your strange juxtaposition of “peer reviewed science” with rapidly developing news stories from hundreds of labs reporting different findings on a mutating virus in real time, right?
They're not my numbers.
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-apply-contact-tracer-work-remotely-with-benefits-2020-5
A contact tracer in NYC can make a $57,000 salary with benefits and work remotely.
https://work.chron.com/starting-wage-nypd-8547.html
New officers in the NYPD receive a starting base salary of $42,500 a year.
And for how the people who start at more than an NYPD officer are doing in their stay at home phone jobs .....
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2020/06/20/new-york-city-hired-3000-workers-contact-tracing-not-going-well
Perry Halkitis, dean of the School of Public Health at Rutgers University, which is guiding an effort to bring on thousands of tracers in New Jersey, called New York City’s 35% rate for eliciting contacts “very bad.”
“For each person, you should be in touch with 75% of their contacts within a day,” he said.
This is a pretty brutal comparison. The contract tracing thing is a gig with no upward mobility, stability, long term prospects, and probably crappy benefits. Even if your numbers are correct.
how concerned were they about H1N1?
It's too bad you tried to troll on this particular topic because I've been writing about Influenza for years, including on many occasions within the Cesspool.
The answer, of course, is extremely concerned — and diligent — about the severity of any seasonal mutation.
In fact, much more concerned than the scope of your unsurprisingly ignorant question. Because, of course, it's not just H1N1 that poses a pandemic threat.
The 1968 pandemic was H3N2. 1957's was H2N2.
Unfortunately we’ve had another pandemic spreading throughout our country for the last 20-30 years: distortion and willful ignorance. We’ve seen examples of it related to the science of climate change, vaccinations and GMOs.
Dr. Anthony Fauci: "One of the problems we face in the United States is that unfortunately, there is a combination of an anti-science bias that people are - for reasons that sometimes are, you know, inconceivable and not understandable - they just don't believe science and they don't believe authority."
https://www.sciencealert.com/fauci-is-worried-about-anti-science-bias-in-the-us-as-stay-at-home-orders-are-thwarted
When a vaccine becomes available for COVID-19, I’ll be watching to see if the anti-vaxxers hook up with the COVID hoaxers/contrarians to oppose vaccination programs at the local level.
Anti-Vaccine Activists Latch Onto Coronavirus To Bolster Their Movement
https://khn.org/news/anti-vaccine-activists-latch-onto-coronavirus-to-bolster-their-movement/
What an odd time to say something like:
“They don’t believe authority”
I know there are relatively small segments of people who are anti-science in certain ways. For instance I have creationist relatives who also believe/accept pretty much every other science.
That’s a lot different than someone who is actively anti-science across the spectrum and I don’t know any of those at all, nor have even really heard of any.
But I think there is a lot of suspect science being put forth as settled science right now regarding COVID-19 and a lot of people just aren’t buying it.
“Anti-science“ is just another term made up to shame people who don’t blindly toe the line or “listen to authority”
Much of scientific discovery can be manipulated and distorted like any other statistic. It’s not concrete and it can and often is subject to extreme bias.
The Warren Commission used science to sell Americans that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman in JFK’s assassination and the magic bullet theory.
I think it’s ok to question “authority” when your own eyes and ears tell you something completely different than the party line. I fear for a world when that no longer exists.
I think it’s ok to question “authority” when your own eyes and ears tell you something completely different than the party line.
Keep your gubmint data off my anecdotal evidence!
You do realize your strange juxtaposition of “peer reviewed science” with rapidly developing news stories from hundreds of labs reporting different findings on a mutating virus in real time, right?Peer review was offered as one control on the misuse of science. There are others, as I'm sure you're well aware.
and unsurprisingly Rob completely missed the point of my question
I dunno, maybe the developing consensus of PhD-level epidemiologists across the first world?You do realize your strange juxtaposition of “peer reviewed science” with rapidly developing news stories from hundreds of labs reporting different findings on a mutating virus in real time, right?Peer review was offered as one control on the misuse of science. There are others, as I'm sure you're well aware.
And I’m sure you’re aware it’s tough to validate scientific data in real time from multiple sources without it being corrupted. It’s impossible, especially when there are so many hands in the cookie jar.
Who do we trust and believe?
Maybe we aren’t as bad at it as the statistics suggest?
I mean we know for a fact that medical facilities have been strongly incentivized to milk this for all its worth.
And to think just yesterday I praised you for being a free thinker
Maybe we aren’t as bad at it as the statistics suggest?
I mean we know for a fact that medical facilities have been strongly incentivized to milk this for all its worth.
It's hard to believe anyone takes this one seriously. Even the congress critter who started the rumor walked it back. 20% more on a medicare bill is worth the risk of committing medical coding fraud? Or do you honestly think hospitals are intubating patients who don't actually need ventilators?
Free thinking versus mindlessly parroting WND drivel.
!!!!!!
And to think just yesterday I praised you for being a free thinker
Oh all right. I'll agree with your conspiracy theories if you promise to praise me some more.
For those interested, here’s a NPR story on the status of coronavirus contact tracing efforts at the state level:
As States Reopen, Do They Have The Workforce They Need To Stop Coronavirus Outbreaks?
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/06/18/879787448/as-states-reopen-do-they-have-the-workforce-they-need-to-stop-coronavirus-outbre
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-apply-contact-tracer-work-remotely-with-benefits-2020-5
A contact tracer in NYC can make a $57,000 salary with benefits and work remotely.
https://work.chron.com/starting-wage-nypd-8547.html
What are the long range prospects for a NYC contact tracer?
What are the long range prospects for a NYC contact tracer?
A lot better than the long range prospects for an Italian or Gernman contact tracer. Or as Kaylee McEnerny says "Donald Trump is the jobs president"
Too bad the Trump Administration and states didn’t make contact tracing a higher priority here in the U.S. We should have had broad tracing programs ready to go at the local and state level to help control outbreaks, at a minimum, when the states started to reopen their economies last month.
Now we’re going to be playing catch-up and the virus is starting to recirculate more widely in some areas.
I wish humanity would put as much concern and urgency into mental health/addiction/substance abuse which is a much, much more damaging pandemic than COVID is or ever will be. Not at the expense of contact tracing/limiting our personal freedoms though.
Houston, we have a problem.
Houston, we have a problem.
I believe that is the caseHouston, we have a problem.
Wondering if I had that power since I started the topic.
This is an interesting development:
Senate Republicans Warm to Another Round of Stimulus
"Republican senators have been cool toward “Phase IV” legislation providing economic relief and stimulus. They did not want to be in the position of passing something in May or June only to face demand for a Phase V bill in August; and they wanted to see how the economy was recovering before passing anything."
"They think enough time has passed to ensure that they won’t have to pass expensive bill after bill before the election. They’re facing rising pressure to do something. And bad polling for Republicans up and down the ticket is concentrating minds. So it looks like they’re going to try to pass a bill next month. The most contentious issues, it seems pretty likely, will be (1) whether to scale back unemployment-insurance levels and (2) how much aid to give states and localities, and with what strings."
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/senate-republicans-warm-to-phase-iv/
I wouldn’t mind seeing some relief funds set aside for infrastructure projects at the local level. It would produce jobs and construction work tends to be outdoors, which would be a safer work environment (relatively speaking).
Is there anything contained in there that isn’t common sense?
Plagues, hyenas, and recessions always pick off the weak and vulnerable.
Is there anything contained in there that isn’t common sense?
Plagues, hyenas, and recessions always pick off the weak and vulnerable.
"Turning to policies, shelter-in-place orders drove some job losses but only a small share: many of the losses had already occurred when the orders went into effect."
TL;DR
TL;DR
He's anti-vaxx
TL;DR
He's anti-vaxx
No hes Ted Nugent
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. The statistics DO NOT support this enormous shut down. This is a political scheme and it’s insane. End of story.Everyone who thinks things like “this isn’t a big deal” or “I don’t need to wear a mask” or “this is a conspiracy” needs to just stop and do some honest thinking. Do you disagree with the entirety of the medical community because you have some special knowledge they don’t? Or do you disagree because you just believe whatever you need to believe in order to justify selfishly doing whatever the fuck you want to do?
Ted Nugent knocks it out of the park:
“Why do I have to stay home just because 𝘆𝗼𝘂 are scared? How about 𝘆𝗼𝘂 stay home....𝘆𝗼𝘂 stay in 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 house indefinitely, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 wear a mask, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 socially distance yourself from me, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 avoid restaurants, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 avoid baseball games, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 stay off the roads, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 avoid malls and beaches and parks, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 believe the made up death numbers, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 believe the media hype, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 get your toxic vaccine while avoiding vitamin C, sunshine and the things God gave us to actually heal,
I'm done playing 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 dumb game. We are not “all in this together.” I'm not wearing 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 dumb tin foil hat anymore. I’m no longer going to be a prisoner of your fear. I'm no longer staying in my house or catering to 𝘆𝗼𝘂 because 𝘆𝗼𝘂 are scared. I'm not wearing a mask and I'm not staying 6 feet away from you anymore because I'm not afraid of you. You are not my enemy and if I get sick, it's not because of 𝘆𝗼𝘂, it's because of me and my system, which not only have I been addressing for quite some time, but I also know how to treat if I get sick.
This virus (or whatever it is) is already circulating. Millions of people have already encountered it, as it's been circulating around the world probably since last September. You WILL have to confront this thing, if you haven’t already. There is no way around it, unless you lock yourself up in your house and it somehow doesn't manage to hop on some mail or some groceries that you ordered online.
𝗬𝗢𝗨𝗥 fear is not an excuse to destroy America. 𝗬𝗢𝗨𝗥 fear is not my fear and your fear does not have the right to interfere with my life, my job, my income or my future as a free American citizen. So if you're scared, you can just put your tin foil hat on, or even wrap foil all around your whole body - or around your whole house if you wish - but please keep your fear contained to your little corner of the world and don't contaminate me or my family or my Country.”
Everyone who thinks things like “this isn’t a big deal” or “I don’t need to wear a mask” or “this is a conspiracy” needs to just stop and do some honest thinking. Do you disagree with the entirety of the medical community because you have some special knowledge they don’t? Or do you disagree because you just believe whatever you need to believe in order to justify selfishly doing whatever the fuck you want to do?
I mean as long as we can keep medical facilities from becoming overrun let ‘er rip.
I think it’s great news on several fronts. As more testing’s been done we now realize how widespread it is and how much less lethal (statistically) it is than we thought it was a few months ago. Think the death rate is down to roughly .35% now and dropping like a rock? This is all good news.
The death rate per infection has been dropping like a rock. Thats a fact. And it is good news.
Earlier I said as long as we don’t overwhelm the health care system with it, I think we should go on we close to normal as possible with increased precautions for at risk people.
And don’t try and make me feel bad for health care workers who are literally doing the job they chose to do and are being compensated quite well for it.
When you become a doctor or a nurse there’s an implied understanding that you’re going to be in contact with contagious and potentially deadly pathogens. It’s implied and is built into the compensation rate for the job.
So long as health care facilities aren’t overwhelmed I’d just as soon let it run it’s course as much as possible this summer than drag it out as a slow burn for 2 years. It’s just not going to work.
The death rate per infection has been dropping like a rock.
...
So long as health care facilities aren’t overwhelmed
healthy young people aren’t having much trouble with itI mean, what's the big deal with a double lung transplant? You get NEW LUNGS!
Who is being intellectually dishonest?
Meanwhile, excess suicides, food shortages (especially in impoverished areas) and horrifying jumps in domestic violence/child abuse are occurring as a direct by-product of the shutdown.
Last week a friend reminded me of something his father used to tell us when we were younger, “The longer we half-ass this [a specific task], the harder it’s going to be.” We’re still “half-assing” the containment of the corornavirus in the U.S., and the damage is only going to be worse and take longer to recover from.Exactly.
Last week a friend reminded me of something his father used to tell us when we were younger, “The longer we half-ass this [a specific task], the harder it’s going to be.” We’re still “half-assing” the containment of the corornavirus in the U.S., and the damage is only going to be worse and take longer to recover from.Exactly.
Closing everything is easy. Keeping things open while also containing The virus is going to be a PITA for everyone, and people aren’t willing to do the hard work.
Yes, you need to wear a mask. Yes, you need to not do that frivolous fun thing you want to do or not take that trip you want to take. Yes, your kid needs to not have a birthday party this year. Yes, you need to make eating in restaurants a rare occurrence and stop going to bars. Otherwise, the fucking adults are going to have to shut everything down over and over, every time the health care system gets overwhelmed.
The use of "overreaction" could be cited as a betrayal of the remainder of your position. Channelling Spark, it sounds like many of your Trump-related comments!
(https://i.ibb.co/qRLVZWF/9289-EC35-4713-47-D1-95-BC-02-EAA2-A17420.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CnpDrMs)
The use of "overreaction" could be cited as a betrayal of the remainder of your position. Channelling Spark, it sounds like many of your Trump-related comments!
Technically I would probably need to define what I believe an overreaction is for it to be cited as such.
I know that won’t stop anyone from painting me as a Trump follower simply because I don’t regurgitate the same talking points as almost everyone else here.
For the sake of argument, I would define “overreaction” as “taking drastic precautionary steps that are or may be more likely to do more long term damage than the virus itself”
The use of "overreaction" could be cited as a betrayal of the remainder of your position. Channelling Spark, it sounds like many of your Trump-related comments!
Technically I would probably need to define what I believe an overreaction is for it to be cited as such.
I know that won’t stop anyone from painting me as a Trump follower simply because I don’t regurgitate the same talking points as almost everyone else here.
For the sake of argument, I would define “overreaction” as “taking drastic precautionary steps that are or may be more likely to do more long term damage than the virus itself”
Except for those who are dead or who have brain, lung, or other organ damage, you are probably right.
"Well, you know that we have one of the lowest mortality rates anywhere. If you know Biden and Obama stopped their testing-- they just stopped it. You probably know that. I'm sure you don't want to report it.
But they stopped testing. Right in the middle, they just want, no more testing, and on a much lesser problem than the problem that we have ..." -- President Donald J Trump, July 13, 2020
Wow, you really got me. Everyone knows that yelling YOUR DUMB and running away is the height of intellectual repartee.Last week a friend reminded me of something his father used to tell us when we were younger, “The longer we half-ass this [a specific task], the harder it’s going to be.” We’re still “half-assing” the containment of the corornavirus in the U.S., and the damage is only going to be worse and take longer to recover from.Exactly.
Closing everything is easy. Keeping things open while also containing The virus is going to be a PITA for everyone, and people aren’t willing to do the hard work.
Yes, you need to wear a mask. Yes, you need to not do that frivolous fun thing you want to do or not take that trip you want to take. Yes, your kid needs to not have a birthday party this year. Yes, you need to make eating in restaurants a rare occurrence and stop going to bars. Otherwise, the fucking adults are going to have to shut everything down over and over, every time the health care system gets overwhelmed.
I came here to find someone dumber than Betsy DeVos, and I found one.
Wow, you really got me. Everyone knows that yelling YOUR DUMB and running away is the height of intellectual repartee.Last week a friend reminded me of something his father used to tell us when we were younger, “The longer we half-ass this [a specific task], the harder it’s going to be.” We’re still “half-assing” the containment of the corornavirus in the U.S., and the damage is only going to be worse and take longer to recover from.Exactly.
Closing everything is easy. Keeping things open while also containing The virus is going to be a PITA for everyone, and people aren’t willing to do the hard work.
Yes, you need to wear a mask. Yes, you need to not do that frivolous fun thing you want to do or not take that trip you want to take. Yes, your kid needs to not have a birthday party this year. Yes, you need to make eating in restaurants a rare occurrence and stop going to bars. Otherwise, the fucking adults are going to have to shut everything down over and over, every time the health care system gets overwhelmed.
I came here to find someone dumber than Betsy DeVos, and I found one.
I’m not downplaying the fact that some percentage of those who have been infected and survive will have permanent or long term damage. That’s certainly not unique to this pathogen.
My angle on this is that we have to find a way to live with this pathogen and strike a balance between COVID killing people and killing people by overreacting to COVID. There are always trade-offs, whether you wish to call them non-existent or not.
As long as human beings are still biological in nature, we are going to be susceptible to pathogens. That’s just part of the ecosystem we inhabit and will probably become worse as we continue to overpopulate and push the envelope of what our habitat can sustain.
We must do what we can to address the spread and lethality of each outbreak while being cognizant of the collateral damage that comes with extreme lockdown measures. And it’s certainly a slippery slope for the future.
If you’re advocating for a total tear down of the western capitalistic framework by shutting down the economy at will, then I would better understand your casual attitude towards the severity of the economic struggles wrought upon the working and lower classes.
You could certainly argue that more consumers should live like you, and I wouldn’t disagree. I’ve applauded your lifestyle in the past on multiple occasions. People certainly shouldn’t be debt serfs, but sadly that’s the state of our current society.
If forced to choose, I would take a simpler, more subsistence style of living for our society over armed guards forcing people to wear masks and have temperature checks so people can go to Walmart and buy shit they oftentimes don’t really need. If you want groceries there are a multitude of ways to do so without going into public areas unprotected.
I don’t think I’ve said anywhere that anyone should be in public spaces where social distancing is impossible without wearing a mask. If someone finds where I’ve said that, my apologies. I’ve often reported what I actually see while out and about, which is not a reflection of what I think is proper etiquette.
I’m not downplaying the fact that some percentage of those who have been infected and survive will have permanent or long term damage. That’s certainly not unique to this pathogen.
My angle on this is that we have to find a way to live with this pathogen and strike a balance between COVID killing people and killing people by overreacting to COVID. There are always trade-offs, whether you wish to call them non-existent or not.
As long as human beings are still biological in nature, we are going to be susceptible to pathogens. That’s just part of the ecosystem we inhabit and will probably become worse as we continue to overpopulate and push the envelope of what our habitat can sustain.
We must do what we can to address the spread and lethality of each outbreak while being cognizant of the collateral damage that comes with extreme lockdown measures. And it’s certainly a slippery slope for the future.
If you’re advocating for a total tear down of the western capitalistic framework by shutting down the economy at will, then I would better understand your casual attitude towards the severity of the economic struggles wrought upon the working and lower classes.
You could certainly argue that more consumers should live like you, and I wouldn’t disagree. I’ve applauded your lifestyle in the past on multiple occasions. People certainly shouldn’t be debt serfs, but sadly that’s the state of our current society.
If forced to choose, I would take a simpler, more subsistence style of living for our society over armed guards forcing people to wear masks and have temperature checks so people can go to Walmart and buy shit they oftentimes don’t really need. If you want groceries there are a multitude of ways to do so without going into public areas unprotected.
I don’t think I’ve said anywhere that anyone should be in public spaces where social distancing is impossible without wearing a mask. If someone finds where I’ve said that, my apologies. I’ve often reported what I actually see while out and about, which is not a reflection of what I think is proper etiquette.
The actual DeVos clone
Kentucky's GOP Death Cult (is this redundant?) fighting tooth and nail against mask rules.
It worked so well in Arizona, after all. And Texas.
And Florida.
And Mississippi.
And Georgia.
And Alabama.
And Oklahoma.
I’m not downplaying the fact that some percentage of those who have been infected and survive will have permanent or long term damage. That’s certainly not unique to this pathogen.
My angle on this is that we have to find a way to live with this pathogen and strike a balance between COVID killing people and killing people by overreacting to COVID. There are always trade-offs, whether you wish to call them non-existent or not.
As long as human beings are still biological in nature, we are going to be susceptible to pathogens. That’s just part of the ecosystem we inhabit and will probably become worse as we continue to overpopulate and push the envelope of what our habitat can sustain.
We must do what we can to address the spread and lethality of each outbreak while being cognizant of the collateral damage that comes with extreme lockdown measures. And it’s certainly a slippery slope for the future.
If you’re advocating for a total tear down of the western capitalistic framework by shutting down the economy at will, then I would better understand your casual attitude towards the severity of the economic struggles wrought upon the working and lower classes.
You could certainly argue that more consumers should live like you, and I wouldn’t disagree. I’ve applauded your lifestyle in the past on multiple occasions. People certainly shouldn’t be debt serfs, but sadly that’s the state of our current society.
If forced to choose, I would take a simpler, more subsistence style of living for our society over armed guards forcing people to wear masks and have temperature checks so people can go to Walmart and buy shit they oftentimes don’t really need. If you want groceries there are a multitude of ways to do so without going into public areas unprotected.
I don’t think I’ve said anywhere that anyone should be in public spaces where social distancing is impossible without wearing a mask. If someone finds where I’ve said that, my apologies. I’ve often reported what I actually see while out and about, which is not a reflection of what I think is proper etiquette.
The actual DeVos clone
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yes I am sure they will miss those 5 people on average per day dying of "covid"
yes I am sure they will miss those 5 people on average per day dying of "covid"
I remember DeSantis downplaying it, too. And Kemp. And Reeves.
And Ducey.
And Abbott.
And certainly Kevin Stitts.
But you're probably right. Let's just hope Trump holds a rally in Reno so you can get out there and own those libs.
Even better!Wow, you really got me. Everyone knows that yelling YOUR DUMB and running away is the height of intellectual repartee.Last week a friend reminded me of something his father used to tell us when we were younger, “The longer we half-ass this [a specific task], the harder it’s going to be.” We’re still “half-assing” the containment of the corornavirus in the U.S., and the damage is only going to be worse and take longer to recover from.Exactly.
Closing everything is easy. Keeping things open while also containing The virus is going to be a PITA for everyone, and people aren’t willing to do the hard work.
Yes, you need to wear a mask. Yes, you need to not do that frivolous fun thing you want to do or not take that trip you want to take. Yes, your kid needs to not have a birthday party this year. Yes, you need to make eating in restaurants a rare occurrence and stop going to bars. Otherwise, the fucking adults are going to have to shut everything down over and over, every time the health care system gets overwhelmed.
I came here to find someone dumber than Betsy DeVos, and I found one.
Especially since it seems I managed to quote the wrong post lol
Why is covid in quotes. You aren’t one of the special few who still believe that hospitals are exaggerating death tolls, are you?Kentucky's GOP Death Cult (is this redundant?) fighting tooth and nail against mask rules.
It worked so well in Arizona, after all. And Texas.
And Florida.
And Mississippi.
And Georgia.
And Alabama.
And Oklahoma.
yes I am sure they will miss those 5 people on average per day dying of "covid"
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=covid+deaths+in+kentucky+chart
Why is covid in quotes. You aren’t one of the special few who still believe that hospitals are exaggerating death tolls, are you?Kentucky's GOP Death Cult (is this redundant?) fighting tooth and nail against mask rules.
It worked so well in Arizona, after all. And Texas.
And Florida.
And Mississippi.
And Georgia.
And Alabama.
And Oklahoma.
yes I am sure they will miss those 5 people on average per day dying of "covid"
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=covid+deaths+in+kentucky+chart
It would be great if Nick Saban, Dabo Swinney and Kirby Smart released a PSA across the south saying "yeah, we couldn't had football this autumn but y'all fucked up."
Why is covid in quotes. You aren’t one of the special few who still believe that hospitals are exaggerating death tolls, are you?Kentucky's GOP Death Cult (is this redundant?) fighting tooth and nail against mask rules.
It worked so well in Arizona, after all. And Texas.
And Florida.
And Mississippi.
And Georgia.
And Alabama.
And Oklahoma.
yes I am sure they will miss those 5 people on average per day dying of "covid"
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=covid+deaths+in+kentucky+chart
You have not been following ILLove's posts.closely.. probably better off for it! ;D
I think you mean to say "China fucked up"
I think you mean to say "China fucked up"
You gotta hand it to them, though. Sneaking agents into all the southern states — and then managing to stick infected swabs up the noses of all those burly patriots — is a stunning feat.
I think you mean to say "China fucked up"
You gotta hand it to them, though. Sneaking agents into all the southern states — and then managing to stick infected swabs up the noses of all those burly patriots — is a stunning feat.
how dumb are you? most of the southern states have been infected by nor easters getting out of NYC for family vacations and escaping the riots and such, well that an its fucking HOT IN THOSE STATES
people are staying inside, indoors, with shitty AC on
same with Nevada, its all the tourists from other states spreading shit, well that and the casinos are open
imagine this x100000
(https://i.redd.it/rlb18tlpd2b51.jpg)
I think you mean to say "China fucked up"
You gotta hand it to them, though. Sneaking agents into all the southern states — and then managing to stick infected swabs up the noses of all those burly patriots — is a stunning feat.
how dumb are you? most of the southern states have been infected by nor easters getting out of NYC for family vacations and escaping the riots and such, well that an its fucking HOT IN THOSE STATES
people are staying inside, indoors, with shitty AC on
same with Nevada, its all the tourists from other states spreading shit, well that and the casinos are open
imagine this x100000
(https://i.redd.it/rlb18tlpd2b51.jpg)
how dumb are you?165
When people find out it can knock you off your motorcycle, shit's gonna get real.
Their chaps don't move. Too fat.
I'm reminded that I never got that thread about girls who like it in the butt. What's up with that?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqpnRyfz_aY
I’m not downplaying the fact that some percentage of those who have been infected and survive will have permanent or long term damage. That’s certainly not unique to this pathogen.
My angle on this is that we have to find a way to live with this pathogen and strike a balance between COVID killing people and killing people by overreacting to COVID. There are always trade-offs, whether you wish to call them non-existent or not.
As long as human beings are still biological in nature, we are going to be susceptible to pathogens. That’s just part of the ecosystem we inhabit and will probably become worse as we continue to overpopulate and push the envelope of what our habitat can sustain.
We must do what we can to address the spread and lethality of each outbreak while being cognizant of the collateral damage that comes with extreme lockdown measures. And it’s certainly a slippery slope for the future.
If you’re advocating for a total tear down of the western capitalistic framework by shutting down the economy at will, then I would better understand your casual attitude towards the severity of the economic struggles wrought upon the working and lower classes.
You could certainly argue that more consumers should live like you, and I wouldn’t disagree. I’ve applauded your lifestyle in the past on multiple occasions. People certainly shouldn’t be debt serfs, but sadly that’s the state of our current society.
If forced to choose, I would take a simpler, more subsistence style of living for our society over armed guards forcing people to wear masks and have temperature checks so people can go to Walmart and buy shit they oftentimes don’t really need. If you want groceries there are a multitude of ways to do so without going into public areas unprotected.
I don’t think I’ve said anywhere that anyone should be in public spaces where social distancing is impossible without wearing a mask. If someone finds where I’ve said that, my apologies. I’ve often reported what I actually see while out and about, which is not a reflection of what I think is proper etiquette.
The actual DeVos clone
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Normalize this…
Texas hospitals are running out of drugs, beds, ventilators and even staff
“A coronavirus patient in Anahuac was flown by helicopter to a hospital in El Campo — 120 miles away — because closer facilities could not take him.”
“Ambulances are waiting up to 10 hours to deliver patients to packed Hidalgo County emergency rooms.”
“And short-staffed hospitals in Midland and Odessa have had to turn away ailing COVID-19 patients from rural West Texas facilities that can’t offer the care they need.”
“As the tally of coronavirus infections climbs higher each day, Texas hospitals are taking extraordinary steps to make space for a surge of patients. Some facilities in South Texas say they are dangerously close to filling up, while hospitals elsewhere are taking precautionary measures to keep their numbers manageable.”
“Doctors warn of shortages of an antiviral drug that shows promise for treating COVID-19 patients. And epidemiologists say the state’s hospitals may be in for a longer, harder ride than places like New York, where hospitals were stretched to capacity in the spring and some parked refrigerated trailers outside to store bodies of people who died from COVID-19.”
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/14/texas-hospitals-coronavirus/
Wear your masks.
Wear your masks.Workin on it .....
So what happened to emergency hospitals and ships? Why are they waiting in line? WITAF? We geared up specifically FOR THIS in March and April.
So what happened to emergency hospitals and ships? Why are they waiting in line? WITAF? We geared up specifically FOR THIS in March and April.
Good question. Abysmal national leadership. No consistent national plan.
So what happened to emergency hospitals and ships? Why are they waiting in line? WITAF? We geared up specifically FOR THIS in March and April.
Good question. Abysmal national leadership. No consistent national plan.
So what happened to emergency hospitals and ships? Why are they waiting in line? WITAF? We geared up specifically FOR THIS in March and April.
Good question. Abysmal national leadership. No consistent national plan.
Ben Sasse seems to agree with you.
“Senator Ben Sasse, Republican of Nebraska, said he wanted the administration to offer more extensive public-health updates to the American people, and condemned the open animosity toward Dr. Fauci by some administration officials, including Peter Navarro, the trade adviser, who wrote an opinion column attacking Dr. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert.”
“’I want more briefings but, more importantly, I want the whole White House to start acting like a team on a mission to tackle a real problem,’ Mr. Sasse said. ‘Navarro’s Larry, Moe and Curly junior-high slap fight this week is yet another way to undermine public confidence that these guys grasp that tens of thousands of Americans have died and tens of millions are out of work.’”
As Trump Ignores Virus Crisis, Republicans Start to Break Ranks
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/19/us/politics/republicans-contradict-trump-coronavirus.html
9 out of the top 10 causes of death are well below the 5 year average at a time when it is agreed that the same group of people had limited access to standard healthcare
so there are two key conclusions that stand out:
Either people suddenly stopped dying of the other usual causes due to their lack of healthcare (lol)
OR the deaths that would have occurred anyway were wrongly attributed to Covid
hmmm :-X
So what happened to emergency hospitals and ships? Why are they waiting in line? WITAF? We geared up specifically FOR THIS in March and April.
Good question. Abysmal national leadership. No consistent national plan.
Ben Sasse seems to agree with you.
“Senator Ben Sasse, Republican of Nebraska, said he wanted the administration to offer more extensive public-health updates to the American people, and condemned the open animosity toward Dr. Fauci by some administration officials, including Peter Navarro, the trade adviser, who wrote an opinion column attacking Dr. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert.”
“’I want more briefings but, more importantly, I want the whole White House to start acting like a team on a mission to tackle a real problem,’ Mr. Sasse said. ‘Navarro’s Larry, Moe and Curly junior-high slap fight this week is yet another way to undermine public confidence that these guys grasp that tens of thousands of Americans have died and tens of millions are out of work.’”
As Trump Ignores Virus Crisis, Republicans Start to Break Ranks
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/19/us/politics/republicans-contradict-trump-coronavirus.html
"I don't want to be a leader, because if I actually do something wrong in an election year I'll get blamed for it and lose my power"
"can't trump just lead for me so we can blame him in this no win situation?"
what a fucking pathetic loser
vote out every single one of these whiny pathetic losers asking for more federal mandates, as they are clearly terrible leaders
9 out of the top 10 causes of death are well below the 5 year average at a time when it is agreed that the same group of people had limited access to standard healthcare
so there are two key conclusions that stand out:
Either people suddenly stopped dying of the other usual causes due to their lack of healthcare (lol)
OR the deaths that would have occurred anyway were wrongly attributed to Covid
hmmm :-X
So, the takeaway is that the COVID is preventing deaths from other causes like car accidents? Sweet.
So what happened to emergency hospitals and ships? Why are they waiting in line? WITAF? We geared up specifically FOR THIS in March and April.
Good question. Abysmal national leadership. No consistent national plan.
Ben Sasse seems to agree with you.
“Senator Ben Sasse, Republican of Nebraska, said he wanted the administration to offer more extensive public-health updates to the American people, and condemned the open animosity toward Dr. Fauci by some administration officials, including Peter Navarro, the trade adviser, who wrote an opinion column attacking Dr. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert.”
“’I want more briefings but, more importantly, I want the whole White House to start acting like a team on a mission to tackle a real problem,’ Mr. Sasse said. ‘Navarro’s Larry, Moe and Curly junior-high slap fight this week is yet another way to undermine public confidence that these guys grasp that tens of thousands of Americans have died and tens of millions are out of work.’”
As Trump Ignores Virus Crisis, Republicans Start to Break Ranks
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/19/us/politics/republicans-contradict-trump-coronavirus.html
"I don't want to be a leader, because if I actually do something wrong in an election year I'll get blamed for it and lose my power"
"can't trump just lead for me so we can blame him in this no win situation?"
what a fucking pathetic loser
vote out every single one of these whiny pathetic losers asking for more federal mandates, as they are clearly terrible leaders
So then you can complain about the governor of your state mandating mask wearing in public, etc.? Got it.
9 out of the top 10 causes of death are well below the 5 year average at a time when it is agreed that the same group of people had limited access to standard healthcare
so there are two key conclusions that stand out:
Either people suddenly stopped dying of the other usual causes due to their lack of healthcare (lol)
OR the deaths that would have occurred anyway were wrongly attributed to Covid
hmmm :-X
So, the takeaway is that the COVID is preventing deaths from other causes like car accidents? Sweet.
9 out of the top 10 causes of death are well below the 5 year average at a time when it is agreed that the same group of people had limited access to standard healthcare
so there are two key conclusions that stand out:
Either people suddenly stopped dying of the other usual causes due to their lack of healthcare (lol)
OR the deaths that would have occurred anyway were wrongly attributed to Covid
hmmm :-X
So, the takeaway is that the COVID is preventing deaths from other causes like car accidents? Sweet.
yep and we all know a sedentary lifestyle is definitely reducing the number of heart attacks too!
have you been outside? Traffic is probably 90% back to normal, it certainly would be interesting that covid would prevent car accident deaths wouldn't it
9 out of the top 10 causes of death are well below the 5 year average at a time when it is agreed that the same group of people had limited access to standard healthcare
so there are two key conclusions that stand out:
Either people suddenly stopped dying of the other usual causes due to their lack of healthcare (lol)
OR the deaths that would have occurred anyway were wrongly attributed to Covid
hmmm :-X
So, the takeaway is that the COVID is preventing deaths from other causes like car accidents? Sweet.
I took it to mean that as a general rule any people that happen to die WITH COVID die FROM COVID
So what happened to emergency hospitals and ships? Why are they waiting in line? WITAF? We geared up specifically FOR THIS in March and April.
Good question. Abysmal national leadership. No consistent national plan.
Ben Sasse seems to agree with you.
“Senator Ben Sasse, Republican of Nebraska, said he wanted the administration to offer more extensive public-health updates to the American people, and condemned the open animosity toward Dr. Fauci by some administration officials, including Peter Navarro, the trade adviser, who wrote an opinion column attacking Dr. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert.”
“’I want more briefings but, more importantly, I want the whole White House to start acting like a team on a mission to tackle a real problem,’ Mr. Sasse said. ‘Navarro’s Larry, Moe and Curly junior-high slap fight this week is yet another way to undermine public confidence that these guys grasp that tens of thousands of Americans have died and tens of millions are out of work.’”
As Trump Ignores Virus Crisis, Republicans Start to Break Ranks
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/19/us/politics/republicans-contradict-trump-coronavirus.html
"I don't want to be a leader, because if I actually do something wrong in an election year I'll get blamed for it and lose my power"
"can't trump just lead for me so we can blame him in this no win situation?"
what a fucking pathetic loser
vote out every single one of these whiny pathetic losers asking for more federal mandates, as they are clearly terrible leaders
So then you can complain about the governor of your state mandating mask wearing in public, etc.? Got it.
I'm pretty sure the mask mandates are making things worse, as it gives people a false sense of confidence and they don't take as much precaution when wearing them
but whatever
So what happened to emergency hospitals and ships? Why are they waiting in line? WITAF? We geared up specifically FOR THIS in March and April.
Good question. Abysmal national leadership. No consistent national plan.
Ben Sasse seems to agree with you.
“Senator Ben Sasse, Republican of Nebraska, said he wanted the administration to offer more extensive public-health updates to the American people, and condemned the open animosity toward Dr. Fauci by some administration officials, including Peter Navarro, the trade adviser, who wrote an opinion column attacking Dr. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert.”
“’I want more briefings but, more importantly, I want the whole White House to start acting like a team on a mission to tackle a real problem,’ Mr. Sasse said. ‘Navarro’s Larry, Moe and Curly junior-high slap fight this week is yet another way to undermine public confidence that these guys grasp that tens of thousands of Americans have died and tens of millions are out of work.’”
As Trump Ignores Virus Crisis, Republicans Start to Break Ranks
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/19/us/politics/republicans-contradict-trump-coronavirus.html
"I don't want to be a leader, because if I actually do something wrong in an election year I'll get blamed for it and lose my power"
"can't trump just lead for me so we can blame him in this no win situation?"
what a fucking pathetic loser
vote out every single one of these whiny pathetic losers asking for more federal mandates, as they are clearly terrible leaders
So then you can complain about the governor of your state mandating mask wearing in public, etc.? Got it.
I'm pretty sure the mask mandates are making things worse, as it gives people a false sense of confidence and they don't take as much precaution when wearing them
but whatever
I've been outside. Traffic getting back to normal here. The issue is I doubt as many people are taking the CTA or the Metra.
yep and we all know a sedentary lifestyle is definitely reducing the number of heart attacks too!
have you been outside? Traffic is probably 90% back to normal, it certainly would be interesting that covid would prevent car accident deaths wouldn't it
yep and we all know a sedentary lifestyle is definitely reducing the number of heart attacks too!
have you been outside? Traffic is probably 90% back to normal, it certainly would be interesting that covid would prevent car accident deaths wouldn't it
LOL in Reno.
Are the casinos back to 90% of normal?
So what happened to emergency hospitals and ships? Why are they waiting in line? WITAF? We geared up specifically FOR THIS in March and April.
Good question. Abysmal national leadership. No consistent national plan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States%27_rights
9 out of the top 10 causes of death are well below the 5 year average at a time when it is agreed that the same group of people had limited access to standard healthcare
so there are two key conclusions that stand out:
Either people suddenly stopped dying of the other usual causes due to their lack of healthcare (lol)
OR the deaths that would have occurred anyway were wrongly attributed to Covid
hmmm :-X
So, the takeaway is that the COVID is preventing deaths from other causes like car accidents? Sweet.
I've been outside. Traffic getting back to normal here. The issue is I doubt as many people are taking the CTA or the Metra.
A key point - if the L and Metra are non-existent, the net total people going out is trivial compared to before.
You could say anything you want about Bay Area traffic, but suffice to say, no workers are going into Apple, Facebook, or Google, so that's hundreds of thousands of trips not happening just for those three companies.
I doubt the OP is even accurate.
Back in the Aviation Era, it might have been useful. But who's going to drive to Vancouver for a blowjob from a fat tranny?
https://twitter.com/ryanlongcomedy/status/1270003097193103362?s=20
his pitching accuracy is about as good as his virus predicting accuracy
his pitching accuracy is about as good as his virus predicting accuracy
'The first step': Yankees, Nationals players all kneel before national anthem in MLB opener
"In a coordinated gesture between the reigning World Series champion Washington Nationals and New York Yankees before the first major league game played this year Thursday night, players clutched a black cloth that winded from the Nationals’ first base line around to the Yankees on the third-base line."
"Then, before a pre-recorded rendition of the Star-Spangled Banner, every player and coach out for pregame introductions took a knee on the grass, for about 20 seconds."
"With no fans in the stands as baseball re-starts while mitigating the risks and worries of COVID-19, the park was particularly silent for the moment, which comes nearly two months after the killing of George Floyd by a Minneapolis police officer. The subsequent protests that galvanized the Black Lives Matter movement and precipitated a global racial awakening of sorts found its way to baseball."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2020/07/23/mlb-opening-day-yankees-nationals-players-kneel-before-national-anthem/5498230002/
“Woke.”
"Triggered."
They finally did it, they eliminated racism for good, its over! !!!!!!
https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535
https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535
All those peer reviewed articles he published but none of his peers agree with him here...
https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535
All those peer reviewed articles he published but none of his peers agree with him here...
I wonder why
https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535
All those peer reviewed articles he published but none of his peers agree with him here...
I wonder why
I am sincerely impressed with the -168.
https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535
All those peer reviewed articles he published but none of his peers agree with him here...
I wonder why
I am sincerely impressed with the -168.
Hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19: Evidence can’t seem to kill it
"Despite the accumulating negative evidence showing that hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work against COVID-19, activists continue to promote it as a way out of the pandemic. This week, the AAPS and a Yale epidemiologist joined the fray with embarrassingly bad arguments."
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-covid-19-evidence-cant-seem-to-kill-it/
https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535
All those peer reviewed articles he published but none of his peers agree with him here...
I wonder why
I am sincerely impressed with the -168.
https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535
All those peer reviewed articles he published but none of his peers agree with him here...
I wonder why
I am sincerely impressed with the -168.
Hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19: Evidence can’t seem to kill it
"Despite the accumulating negative evidence showing that hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work against COVID-19, activists continue to promote it as a way out of the pandemic. This week, the AAPS and a Yale epidemiologist joined the fray with embarrassingly bad arguments."
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-covid-19-evidence-cant-seem-to-kill-it/
well then to according random blogger at website, apparently a Yale education ain't what it used to be
https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535
All those peer reviewed articles he published but none of his peers agree with him here...
I wonder why
I am sincerely impressed with the -168.
Hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19: Evidence can’t seem to kill it
"Despite the accumulating negative evidence showing that hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work against COVID-19, activists continue to promote it as a way out of the pandemic. This week, the AAPS and a Yale epidemiologist joined the fray with embarrassingly bad arguments."
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-covid-19-evidence-cant-seem-to-kill-it/
well then to according random blogger at website, apparently a Yale education ain't what it used to be
https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535
https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535
All those peer reviewed articles he published but none of his peers agree with him here...
I wonder why
I am sincerely impressed with the -168.
Hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19: Evidence can’t seem to kill it
"Despite the accumulating negative evidence showing that hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work against COVID-19, activists continue to promote it as a way out of the pandemic. This week, the AAPS and a Yale epidemiologist joined the fray with embarrassingly bad arguments."
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-covid-19-evidence-cant-seem-to-kill-it/
well then to according random blogger at website, apparently a Yale education ain't what it used to be
Risch went to Caltech, UCSD, and University of Chicago - not Yale
Risch went to Caltech, UCSD, and University of Chicago - not Yale
Isnt he teaching at Yale?
I am sincerely impressed with the -168.
Ahh Mizzou
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/29/sport/michael-porter-jr-coronavirus-nba-basketball-spt-intl/index.html
https://twitter.com/M2Madness/status/1288253717326770177
;D
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During an interview with ABC News, Dr. Fauci said Wednesday that he may soon advise Americans to wear 'eye protection' to avoid being infected by COVID-19 as deaths along the Sun Belt climb to record highs.
"If you have goggles or an eye shield, you should use it," the doctor said, before adding that it's not universally recommended, "but if you really want to be complete, you should probably use it if you can," he said.
While taking a drink of invisible water from his invisible water container to combat dehydration.
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During an interview with ABC News, Dr. Fauci said Wednesday that he may soon advise Americans to wear 'eye protection' to avoid being infected by COVID-19 as deaths along the Sun Belt climb to record highs.
"If you have goggles or an eye shield, you should use it," the doctor said, before adding that it's not universally recommended, "but if you really want to be complete, you should probably use it if you can," he said.
While taking a drink of invisible water from his invisible water container to combat dehydration.
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While taking a drink of invisible water from his invisible water container to combat dehydration.
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You fuckin with me? Not having a mask on and sitting shoulder to shoulder with someone he doesn’t live with isn’t contradicting his own recommendations?
You fuckin with me? Not having a mask on and sitting shoulder to shoulder with someone he doesn’t live with isn’t contradicting his own recommendations?
The Trumplicans want to follow the advice of a woman whose saner ideas include reptilian aliens running the shadow government and the planned covid vaccine will make you an atheist. After all, that's her culture. They spot Fauci between sips of water and it's gotcha! They find out Biden opposed busing to achieve integrated schools 45 years ago, and it's omg, he is such a racist! Masks that effectively block the main means of transmission don't work; but a mix of an immunosuppressant anti-parasitic, an anti-bacterial, and zinc is a cure?
You fuckin with me? Not having a mask on and sitting shoulder to shoulder with someone he doesn’t live with isn’t contradicting his own recommendations?
Certainly seems that way. Unless he just gave the guy a test and got the results back immediately.
Carry an opened bottle of water with you, wear your mask below your chin and you're good to go.
Tell Karen you're dehydrated if she says anything.
Social distancing, when not wearing a mask, is not required when with close friends.
If I woulda known that, my summer would have been a lot different.
You fuckin with me? Not having a mask on and sitting shoulder to shoulder with someone he doesn’t live with isn’t contradicting his own recommendations?
Fauci said:
"The other person is a very close friend of mine. John, I think this is sort of mischievous with this thing going around. I had my mask around my chin, I had taken it down. I was totally dehydrated and I was drinking water trying to rehydrate myself. And by the way, I was negative Covid literally the day before.
So I guess if people want to make a thing of that, I wear a mask all the time when I’m outside. To pull it down, to take some sips of water, and put it back up again, I guess if people want to make something about that, they can. But to me, I think that’s just mischievous."
The Trumplicans want to follow the advice of a woman whose saner ideas include reptilian aliens running the shadow government and the planned covid vaccine will make you an atheist. After all, that's her culture. They spot Fauci between sips of water and it's gotcha! They find out Biden opposed busing to achieve integrated schools 45 years ago, and it's omg, he is such a racist! Masks that effectively block the main means of transmission don't work; but a mix of an immunosuppressant anti-parasitic, an anti-bacterial, and zinc is a cure?
You fuckin with me? Not having a mask on and sitting shoulder to shoulder with someone he doesn’t live with isn’t contradicting his own recommendations?
Certainly seems that way. Unless he just gave the guy a test and got the results back immediately.
The guy was wearing a mask.
Drugs can be quite useful for disease states other than what they were developed for.
I'll reserve judgement for now, but Orange man bad. Big Pharma good.
point Whether he had given the guy a test is moot.You fuckin with me? Not having a mask on and sitting shoulder to shoulder with someone he doesn’t live with isn’t contradicting his own recommendations?
Certainly seems that way. Unless he just gave the guy a test and got the results back immediately.
The guy was wearing a mask.
The guy in the mask protects Fauci from him, but not vice verse.
Why are you conflating Fauci being in clear violation of his own recommendations with this other whack job shit? Can’t the Fauci thing stand on its own without bringing up this absurd counterpoint that has nothing to do with Fauci’s mask?
I’m not condemning the guy, I could give a fuck less what he does, but don’t post something from Snopes that’s literally lying to my face and expect me not to respond with incredulity
point Whether he had given the guy a test is moot.You fuckin with me? Not having a mask on and sitting shoulder to shoulder with someone he doesn’t live with isn’t contradicting his own recommendations?
Certainly seems that way. Unless he just gave the guy a test and got the results back immediately.
The guy was wearing a mask.
The guy in the mask protects Fauci from him, but not vice verse.
No, it's not.
No, it's not.
Yes it is.
Uh-oh
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-overnight-campers-who-contracted-covid-between-6-10-years-old-1522107
Come on man, you’re supposed to be panicking!
This is what happens when you replace governing and expertise with gaslighting and willful ignorance.
Come on man, you’re supposed to be panicking!
I think it is more that we can do things provided people act responsibly.
Regardless of exactly where or when; it now appears children can catch and spread covid-19. They are not, as our dear leader has said, almost immune.
If one refers to the accepted definition of immune one could conclude that Trump’s statement was either true, or just partially true.
Had Trump said they are basically incapable of contracting and spreading the virus, I’d have a bigger gripe.
Come on man, you’re supposed to be panicking!
I think it is more that we can do things provided people act responsibly.
We have trouble getting adults to act responsibly. How do we expect school age children to wear masks and practice social distancing?
Uh-oh
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-overnight-campers-who-contracted-covid-between-6-10-years-old-1522107
Counter point: there was a youth hockey tourney, probably ages 8 to 18, held in the Chicago area 2 weeks ago. Kids from.CA, MI, WI, Eastern and Southern states were here.
Parents required to wear masks in the rinks. Limits on those who could attend the games.
Hear of 0 players who tested positive from that tourney.
4 players of 20 from my kid's team got sick after the tourney. 3 got.COViD tests because parents demanded it even though doctors said they did not have COVID, but a bad cold was going around. They all tested negative.
Regardless of exactly where or when; it now appears children can catch and spread covid-19. They are not, as our dear leader has said, almost immune.
We have been really lucky this virus for the most part doesn’t hurt our children. I think we’ve known for a long time children can contract and spread the virus. We also know they are largely unaffected by it.
I don’t think we’ve seen anything quite to this level of mass infection of children, but the camp experience as described was essentially a perfect medium for transmission.
Uh-oh
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-overnight-campers-who-contracted-covid-between-6-10-years-old-1522107
Counter point: there was a youth hockey tourney, probably ages 8 to 18, held in the Chicago area 2 weeks ago. Kids from.CA, MI, WI, Eastern and Southern states were here.
Parents required to wear masks in the rinks. Limits on those who could attend the games.
Hear of 0 players who tested positive from that tourney.
4 players of 20 from my kid's team got sick after the tourney. 3 got.COViD tests because parents demanded it even though doctors said they did not have COVID, but a bad cold was going around. They all tested negative.
OK - so how are you going to make that work for full on in person school?
this is totally normal and OK
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I'm pretty sure ZERO people have said "Trump has managed this situation fairly well."
Nobody would dare be so halting in their white knighting of Fearless Leader.
I wonder if Nancy Pelosi had said it, would you have so little a gripe?Regardless of exactly where or when; it now appears children can catch and spread covid-19. They are not, as our dear leader has said, almost immune.
We have been really lucky this virus for the most part doesn’t hurt our children. I think we’ve known for a long time children can contract and spread the virus. We also know they are largely unaffected by it.
I don’t think we’ve seen anything quite to this level of mass infection of children, but the camp experience as described was essentially a perfect medium for transmission.
If one refers to the accepted definition of immune one could conclude that Trump’s statement was either true, or just partially true.
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Had Trump said they are basically incapable of contracting and spreading the virus, I’d have a bigger gripe.
I wonder if Nancy Pelosi had said it, would you have so little a gripe?Regardless of exactly where or when; it now appears children can catch and spread covid-19. They are not, as our dear leader has said, almost immune.
We have been really lucky this virus for the most part doesn’t hurt our children. I think we’ve known for a long time children can contract and spread the virus. We also know they are largely unaffected by it.
I don’t think we’ve seen anything quite to this level of mass infection of children, but the camp experience as described was essentially a perfect medium for transmission.
If one refers to the accepted definition of immune one could conclude that Trump’s statement was either true, or just partially true.
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Had Trump said they are basically incapable of contracting and spreading the virus, I’d have a bigger gripe.
I mean, I guess maybe you should, because if someone with half a brain said it, I’d think they were being intentionally misleading.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths
"Remember the question we asked at the beginning: if someone is infected with COVID-19, how likely is it that they will die? The answer to that question is captured by the infection fatality rate, or IFR."
The IFR is the number of deaths from a disease divided by the total number of cases. If 10 people die of the disease, and 500 actually have it, then the IFR is [10 / 500], or 2%.3,4,5,6,7
To work out the IFR, we need two numbers: the total number of cases and the total number of deaths.
"To understand the risks and respond appropriately we would also want to know the mortality risk of COVID-19 – the likelihood that someone who catches the disease will die from it."
If I catch this virus, I surely hope that infection fatality rates are dropping. And if the drop is a result of changes in treatment or appropriate responses, I'm all for it. Ventilators aren't used as they were initially when better outcomes were seen with different therapies.
Over time - the fatality rate will drop just due to Darwinism - the people more likely to catch the disease and more likely to die from the disease, are naturally the first to get it.
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Had Trump said they are basically incapable of contracting and spreading the virus, I’d have a bigger gripe.
These cats are probably correct in what needs to be done to get this over with...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/coronavirus-lockdown-unemployment-death.html
These cats are probably correct in what needs to be done to get this over with...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/coronavirus-lockdown-unemployment-death.html
yeah lets not completely destroy the economy over a virus with a .25 IFR
because way more people in our own country and around the world will suffer if we do that
anyway off to the desert to get away from all the fucking idiots on this planet
I sure didn’t feel like mandatory shelter in place and masks/temp checks at essential businesses for 2+ months was a half-assed response.
Even though they often can, most people aren’t eating indoors at restaurants because outdoor seating has been made available. Workers are wearing masks and touchless QR code menus have been implemented most places. The air is thick with the smell of hand sanitizer and Lysol.
I believe we should continue forward being prudent with masks and sanitizing procedures and gathering size when out in public.
If you’re scared or are a caregiver/have frequent contact with at-risk people, then by all means exercise your right to shelter in place.
Given that many areas have been largely untouched by the ‘rona, I’m not convinced we need another blanket shut down. Most locales have developed data driven thresholds for shutting back down and will undoubtedly do so should those thresholds be met.
I also believe that shutting down again right as many businesses have invested heavily in reopening safely would be a killer blow to places that are already cash strapped and struggling to catch up from the first shutdown.
I wonder how this would have played out if there was a mandatory stay at home order for people over 60 and those with underlying health issue while everyone else carried on relatively normally. Was just looking at some data from Minnesota and 80% of cases are in people 60 and younger. Most of those are asymptomatic, almost all the rest are mild to moderate symptoms.
The conversation that really needs to be had for things like reopening the economy and getting kids in schools, etc., is “How many lives is it worth?” Because that’s really the issue. Obviously some people are going to die, and that just has to be accepted. How many is acceptable though?
If you’re on the “open stuff up” side and you’re uncomfortable having that conversation, then maybe you should honestly reassess which side you should really be on.
I sure didn’t feel like mandatory shelter in place and masks/temp checks at essential businesses for 2+ months was a half-assed response.
Even though they often can, most people aren’t eating indoors at restaurants because outdoor seating has been made available. Workers are wearing masks and touchless QR code menus have been implemented most places. The air is thick with the smell of hand sanitizer and Lysol.
I believe we should continue forward being prudent with masks and sanitizing procedures and gathering size when out in public.
If you’re scared or are a caregiver/have frequent contact with at-risk people, then by all means exercise your right to shelter in place.
Given that many areas have been largely untouched by the ‘rona, I’m not convinced we need another blanket shut down. Most locales have developed data driven thresholds for shutting back down and will undoubtedly do so should those thresholds be met.
I also believe that shutting down again right as many businesses have invested heavily in reopening safely would be a killer blow to places that are already cash strapped and struggling to catch up from the first shutdown.
I wonder how this would have played out if there was a mandatory stay at home order for people over 60 and those with underlying health issue while everyone else carried on relatively normally. Was just looking at some data from Minnesota and 80% of cases are in people 60 and younger. Most of those are asymptomatic, almost all the rest are mild to moderate symptoms.
These cats are probably correct in what needs to be done to get this over with...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/coronavirus-lockdown-unemployment-death.html
yeah lets not completely destroy the economy over a virus with a .25 IFR
because way more people in our own country and around the world will suffer if we do that
anyway off to the desert to get away from all the fucking idiots on this planet
Unsurprisingly you missed the point of the OP-ed. Sounds like the Big 5 power conferences are ready to throw in the towel for fall because we half assed the response instead of taking the short term pain to squash this thing. Now we are dragging it, and the accompanying economic pain, out. But hey, people are saving money per the article as the savings rate has jumped!
55% of people with acute symptomatic cases have some lingering effects. That seems pretty normal to me for anything “acute.” Meanwhile 40-45% are completely asymptomatic and sure children might carry it but are rarely susceptible.
Based on the available evidence of the dangers of COVID versus the known disadvantages of remote learning, local teachers unanimously chose in-person learning for this fall and the board echoed that decision. An optional remote learning program is available for parents or children who are uncomfortable attending school in person.
55% of people with acute symptomatic cases have some lingering effects. That seems pretty normal to me for anything “acute.” Meanwhile 40-45% are completely asymptomatic and sure children might carry it but are rarely susceptible.
No one has said do nothing or take minimal precautions.
It’s a proven fact that remote learning and being at home like children have been isn’t good for them but let’s go down that road anyways because there *might* be something we don’t know about COVID despite it circulating for 8 months with minimal impact on children?
Definitely an interesting take.
No one has said do nothing or take minimal precautions.
It’s a proven fact that remote learning and being at home like children have been isn’t good for them but let’s go down that road anyways because there *might* be something we don’t know about COVID despite it circulating for 8 months with minimal impact on children?
Definitely an interesting take.
An optional remote learning program is available for parents or children who are uncomfortable attending school in person.
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https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/ten-experts-nih-covid-19-panel-have-ties-companies-involved-coronavirus
Goggling indicates a 30 member panel.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/ten-experts-nih-covid-19-panel-have-ties-companies-involved-coronavirus
Goggling indicates a 30 member panel.
Was.wondering where John Solomon went....good to know.
These cats are probably correct in what needs to be done to get this over with...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/coronavirus-lockdown-unemployment-death.html
yeah lets not completely destroy the economy over a virus with a .25 IFR
because way more people in our own country and around the world will suffer if we do that
anyway off to the desert to get away from all the fucking idiots on this planet
Unsurprisingly you missed the point of the OP-ed. Sounds like the Big 5 power conferences are ready to throw in the towel for fall because we half assed the response instead of taking the short term pain to squash this thing. Now we are dragging it, and the accompanying economic pain, out. But hey, people are saving money per the article as the savings rate has jumped!
It’s really pathetic that Trump and many state governors decided to “half-ass” this thing. American Exceptionalism!
I don’t know if this makes sense, but here’s another approach for suppressing the virus outbreak, given our current sad state of affairs.
Most of the coronavirus tests the U.S. does are worthless. But there's a solution that could actually work — and stop the spread.
https://news.yahoo.com/most-of-the-coronavirus-tests-the-us-does-are-worthless-but-theres-a-solution-that-could-actually-work-and-stop-the-spread-154815346.html
The problem is a rapid antigen testing approach would require federal and state leadership that believed in governing, expertise and data, not chaos, gaslighting and denial.
Also, seeing MAGAts blame people for their inability to contain a viral spread = the summit of all hypocrisy.
has any government ever controlled a viral spread?Yes. It's not even rare.
has any government ever controlled a viral spread?Yes. It's not even rare.
The fact that you treat it as unprecedented rather than readily searchable is totally on brand.
has any government ever controlled a viral spread?Yes. It's not even rare.
The fact that you treat it as unprecedented rather than readily searchable is totally on brand.
laughable
I do think it is crap that Pritzker is putting businesses on the line to enforce the mask rule SANS any liability/fines for the individuals who refuse to comply. That is absolute BS.
I do think it is crap that Pritzker is putting businesses on the line to enforce the mask rule SANS any liability/fines for the individuals who refuse to comply. That is absolute BS.
Pritzker doesn’t have any choice.
I do think it is crap that Pritzker is putting businesses on the line to enforce the mask rule SANS any liability/fines for the individuals who refuse to comply. That is absolute BS.
Also, seeing MAGAts blame people for their inability to contain a viral spread = the summit of all hypocrisy.
It’s perfectly logical to me to have businesses be the enforcers.Stationing national guard soldiers at the front door of grocery stores might have seemed extreme. But then we learned the extent to which mouthbreather (sic) covidiots would go to make this simple duty a political issue.
The medical community didn't want the general public to hoard masks until they got the supply chain under control.
It's not that hard to understand.
Also, seeing MAGAts blame people for their inability to contain a viral spread = the summit of all hypocrisy.
He must have just been listening to the experts
(https://i.imgur.com/LFfE0iU.png)
The medical community didn't want the general public to hoard masks until they got the supply chain under control.They've now spent 4 months bitching about guidance that was in place for 6 weeks and was gone for ~3 months before what is currently our peak.
It's not that hard to understand.
has any government ever controlled a viral spread?Austria has 9M people with a density of 100/km.
(https://i.ibb.co/yWCvz5s/2-BEF1-EFF-DFA7-4-D94-958-E-59-E0-EF70-CC6-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vZWyNmz)With the rumble strips that road probably has a speed limit of 55 MPH plus. Karma would have been that joker putting up the signs joining the deer as human roadkill
News from the right:
VP candidate Kamala Harris:
Is not qualified because her parents were not yet fully naturalized when she was born.
Is not actually black. Her father is Jamaican and her mother is South Asian.
Did not descend from slaves. Her father is Jamaican and her mother is South Asian.
Is actually descended from a family of prominent Jamaican slave owners.
Wants to confiscate all guns by executive order.
Wants to abolish private insurance.
This kind of nonsense is seriously being spread by right wing media.
News from the right:
VP candidate Kamala Harris:
Is not qualified because her parents were not yet fully naturalized when she was born.
Is not actually black. Her father is Jamaican and her mother is South Asian.
Did not descend from slaves. Her father is Jamaican and her mother is South Asian.
Is actually descended from a family of prominent Jamaican slave owners.
Wants to confiscate all guns by executive order.
Wants to abolish private insurance.
This kind of nonsense is seriously being spread by right wing media.
Meanwhile I am getting blockbuster news like this
(https://i.ibb.co/12Ydfbw/E824-A310-A611-460-F-98-A9-62792-FC8-A8-DD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ryKcGv1)
(https://i.ibb.co/yWCvz5s/2-BEF1-EFF-DFA7-4-D94-958-E-59-E0-EF70-CC6-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vZWyNmz)
News from the right:
VP candidate Kamala Harris:
Is not qualified because her parents were not yet fully naturalized when she was born.
Is not actually black. Her father is Jamaican and her mother is South Asian.
Did not descend from slaves. Her father is Jamaican and her mother is South Asian.
Is actually descended from a family of prominent Jamaican slave owners.
Wants to confiscate all guns by executive order.
Wants to abolish private insurance.
This kind of nonsense is seriously being spread by right wing media.
Meanwhile I am getting blockbuster news like this
(https://i.ibb.co/12Ydfbw/E824-A310-A611-460-F-98-A9-62792-FC8-A8-DD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ryKcGv1)
Did that story play at the gas station too?
Remember when you jerkoffs told me how stupid I was for believing in herd immunity?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/briefing/herd-immunity-postal-service-democratic-national-convention-your-monday-briefing.html
Remember when you jerkoffs told me how stupid I was for believing in herd immunity?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/briefing/herd-immunity-postal-service-democratic-national-convention-your-monday-briefing.html
Remember when you jerkoffs told me how stupid I was for believing in herd immunity?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/briefing/herd-immunity-postal-service-democratic-national-convention-your-monday-briefing.html
Nobody said you were stupid. There were just too many unknowns with respect to how much and how long.
Plus you never provided any studies or data to support your herd immunity claim. Good to see you are linking to an article this time. Obviously we're learning more and more, and that's good.
But here's another variable that scientists are finding with respect to herd immunity: local or regional variations in antibody seroprevalence levels.
Don't count on herd immunity for COVID-19 yet. A vaccine is the best way to get there
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/08/18/covid-herd-immunity-not-yet-coronavirus-vaccine-needed-column/5600866002/
finally a study released on asyomptomatic spreading
(https://i.imgur.com/jlCm3A6.png)
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-2671
https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/fires/article243977827.html
finally a study released on asyomptomatic spreading
(https://i.imgur.com/jlCm3A6.png)
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-2671
Can we trust these Chinese "doctors"?
https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/fires/article243977827.html
"at prison camps"
lol, maybe hire some actual firefighters instead of slave labor prisoners kamala?
that article belongs in the clown world thread
https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/fires/article243977827.html
"at prison camps"
lol, maybe hire some actual firefighters instead of slave labor prisoners kamala?
that article belongs in the clown world thread
Yeah there are no prisoners doing firefighting or other work in the other 49 states.
I would have figured you'd be all over prisoners paying their due to society. We aren't talking about people who were kidnapped from their home country and brought over on a ship, these are non-violent offenders, in prison, who volunteer for the gig. Hard work but beats being in the joint for a couple weeks.
Are you against stores hiring seasonal labor for Christmas? Even in the current apocalypse, fire season is August to November. In large part they allow states to have a quick response while awaiting outside aid from other states.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/fires/article243977827.html
"at prison camps"
lol, maybe hire some actual firefighters instead of slave labor prisoners kamala?
that article belongs in the clown world thread
Yeah there are no prisoners doing firefighting or other work in the other 49 states.
I would have figured you'd be all over prisoners paying their due to society. We aren't talking about people who were kidnapped from their home country and brought over on a ship, these are non-violent offenders, in prison, who volunteer for the gig. Hard work but beats being in the joint for a couple weeks.
Are you against stores hiring seasonal labor for Christmas? Even in the current apocalypse, fire season is August to November. In large part they allow states to have a quick response while awaiting outside aid from other states.
Yeah, would have thought ILLove would have no problem with the prisoners earning their keep.
fascinating stuff here done by FT
https://www.franklintempletonnordic.com/investor/article?contentPath=html/ftthinks/common/cio-views/on-my-mind-they-blinded-us-from-science.html
fascinating stuff here done by FT
https://www.franklintempletonnordic.com/investor/article?contentPath=html/ftthinks/common/cio-views/on-my-mind-they-blinded-us-from-science.html
Was interested to see who was polled, and the pdf link just took me to the general website instead of a pdf detailing that info.
fascinating stuff here done by FT
https://www.franklintempletonnordic.com/investor/article?contentPath=html/ftthinks/common/cio-views/on-my-mind-they-blinded-us-from-science.html
fascinating stuff here done by FT
https://www.franklintempletonnordic.com/investor/article?contentPath=html/ftthinks/common/cio-views/on-my-mind-they-blinded-us-from-science.html
Was interested to see who was polled, and the pdf link just took me to the general website instead of a pdf detailing that info.
fascinating stuff here done by FT
https://www.franklintempletonnordic.com/investor/article?contentPath=html/ftthinks/common/cio-views/on-my-mind-they-blinded-us-from-science.html
"self-administered web surveys from an opt-in sample"You have to feel bad for her, though. Since her husband of 46 years died, she's all alone (except for the cats).
Does not sound accurate.
I’d say the arguments on this forum are a pretty good validation of the study
fascinating stuff here done by FT
https://www.franklintempletonnordic.com/investor/article?contentPath=html/ftthinks/common/cio-views/on-my-mind-they-blinded-us-from-science.html
It's interesting the article only talks about mortality. Nothing about hospitalizations, complications, or long term effects.
I’d say the arguments on this forum are a pretty good validation of the study
Looks like there's more to learn about the virus.
Long-Haulers Are Redefining COVID-19
"Without understanding the lingering illness that some patients experience, we can’t understand the pandemic."
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/08/long-haulers-covid-19-recognition-support-groups-symptoms/615382/
Just 15 more days .....
Just 15 more days .....
Until what? Trump's indictment? Trump steals a page out of Putin's text book and poisons Biden?
Just 15 more days .....
Until what? Trump's indictment? Trump steals a page out of Putin's text book and poisons Biden?
You're on the wrong thread.
This is the coronavirus thread.
Just 15 more days .....
Until what? Trump's indictment? Trump steals a page out of Putin's text book and poisons Biden?
You're on the wrong thread.
This is the coronavirus thread.
Thanks for the reminder.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/dnc-used-deported-woman-to-attack-trump-she-was-deported-under-clinton-flagged-under-obama/
"The deported illegal alien that the Democrat National Convention used this week to attack President Donald Trump was previously deported under Democrat President Bill Clinton and was flagged under former Democrat President Barack Obama to be deported after she illegally re-entered the United States.
Democrats used Alejandra Juarez’s daughter, 11-year-old Estela Juarez, as a weapon against the president during the DNC this week when she read an emotional letter that tried to portray the president as a cold person who was ripping families apart."
https://www.dailywire.com/news/dnc-used-deported-woman-to-attack-trump-she-was-deported-under-clinton-flagged-under-obama/
"The deported illegal alien that the Democrat National Convention used this week to attack President Donald Trump was previously deported under Democrat President Bill Clinton and was flagged under former Democrat President Barack Obama to be deported after she illegally re-entered the United States.
Democrats used Alejandra Juarez’s daughter, 11-year-old Estela Juarez, as a weapon against the president during the DNC this week when she read an emotional letter that tried to portray the president as a cold person who was ripping families apart."
Well, her dad did vote for Trump!
https://www.dailywire.com/news/dnc-used-deported-woman-to-attack-trump-she-was-deported-under-clinton-flagged-under-obama/
"The deported illegal alien that the Democrat National Convention used this week to attack President Donald Trump was previously deported under Democrat President Bill Clinton and was flagged under former Democrat President Barack Obama to be deported after she illegally re-entered the United States.
Democrats used Alejandra Juarez’s daughter, 11-year-old Estela Juarez, as a weapon against the president during the DNC this week when she read an emotional letter that tried to portray the president as a cold person who was ripping families apart."
Well, her dad did vote for Trump!
Looks like this "Republican" may not be a Republican tho.
https://www.depetro.com/2020/08/fraud-with-dnc-michael-from-rhode-island-is-a-registered-democrat-not-republican/
Doesn't negate that he may have registered as a Republican to vote against Trump either.https://www.dailywire.com/news/dnc-used-deported-woman-to-attack-trump-she-was-deported-under-clinton-flagged-under-obama/
"The deported illegal alien that the Democrat National Convention used this week to attack President Donald Trump was previously deported under Democrat President Bill Clinton and was flagged under former Democrat President Barack Obama to be deported after she illegally re-entered the United States.
Democrats used Alejandra Juarez’s daughter, 11-year-old Estela Juarez, as a weapon against the president during the DNC this week when she read an emotional letter that tried to portray the president as a cold person who was ripping families apart."
Well, her dad did vote for Trump!
Looks like this "Republican" may not be a Republican tho.
https://www.depetro.com/2020/08/fraud-with-dnc-michael-from-rhode-island-is-a-registered-democrat-not-republican/
Doesn't mean he didn't vote for Trump....
Doesn't negate that he may have registered as a Republican to vote against Trump either.https://www.dailywire.com/news/dnc-used-deported-woman-to-attack-trump-she-was-deported-under-clinton-flagged-under-obama/
"The deported illegal alien that the Democrat National Convention used this week to attack President Donald Trump was previously deported under Democrat President Bill Clinton and was flagged under former Democrat President Barack Obama to be deported after she illegally re-entered the United States.
Democrats used Alejandra Juarez’s daughter, 11-year-old Estela Juarez, as a weapon against the president during the DNC this week when she read an emotional letter that tried to portray the president as a cold person who was ripping families apart."
Well, her dad did vote for Trump!
Looks like this "Republican" may not be a Republican tho.
https://www.depetro.com/2020/08/fraud-with-dnc-michael-from-rhode-island-is-a-registered-democrat-not-republican/
Doesn't mean he didn't vote for Trump....
Can we agree that It's likely that he isn't "a long-standing Republican" ?Doesn't negate that he may have registered as a Republican to vote against Trump either.https://www.dailywire.com/news/dnc-used-deported-woman-to-attack-trump-she-was-deported-under-clinton-flagged-under-obama/
"The deported illegal alien that the Democrat National Convention used this week to attack President Donald Trump was previously deported under Democrat President Bill Clinton and was flagged under former Democrat President Barack Obama to be deported after she illegally re-entered the United States.
Democrats used Alejandra Juarez’s daughter, 11-year-old Estela Juarez, as a weapon against the president during the DNC this week when she read an emotional letter that tried to portray the president as a cold person who was ripping families apart."
Well, her dad did vote for Trump!
Looks like this "Republican" may not be a Republican tho.
https://www.depetro.com/2020/08/fraud-with-dnc-michael-from-rhode-island-is-a-registered-democrat-not-republican/
Doesn't mean he didn't vote for Trump....
Don't have to register for any party to vote in the general election though.
Can we agree that It's likely that he isn't "a long-standing Republican" ?Doesn't negate that he may have registered as a Republican to vote against Trump either.https://www.dailywire.com/news/dnc-used-deported-woman-to-attack-trump-she-was-deported-under-clinton-flagged-under-obama/
"The deported illegal alien that the Democrat National Convention used this week to attack President Donald Trump was previously deported under Democrat President Bill Clinton and was flagged under former Democrat President Barack Obama to be deported after she illegally re-entered the United States.
Democrats used Alejandra Juarez’s daughter, 11-year-old Estela Juarez, as a weapon against the president during the DNC this week when she read an emotional letter that tried to portray the president as a cold person who was ripping families apart."
Well, her dad did vote for Trump!
Looks like this "Republican" may not be a Republican tho.
https://www.depetro.com/2020/08/fraud-with-dnc-michael-from-rhode-island-is-a-registered-democrat-not-republican/
Doesn't mean he didn't vote for Trump....
Don't have to register for any party to vote in the general election though.
He can vote for whomever he wants.Can we agree that It's likely that he isn't "a long-standing Republican" ?Doesn't negate that he may have registered as a Republican to vote against Trump either.https://www.dailywire.com/news/dnc-used-deported-woman-to-attack-trump-she-was-deported-under-clinton-flagged-under-obama/
"The deported illegal alien that the Democrat National Convention used this week to attack President Donald Trump was previously deported under Democrat President Bill Clinton and was flagged under former Democrat President Barack Obama to be deported after she illegally re-entered the United States.
Democrats used Alejandra Juarez’s daughter, 11-year-old Estela Juarez, as a weapon against the president during the DNC this week when she read an emotional letter that tried to portray the president as a cold person who was ripping families apart."
Well, her dad did vote for Trump!
Looks like this "Republican" may not be a Republican tho.
https://www.depetro.com/2020/08/fraud-with-dnc-michael-from-rhode-island-is-a-registered-democrat-not-republican/
Doesn't mean he didn't vote for Trump....
Don't have to register for any party to vote in the general election though.
Does it matter if he voted for Trump? What sane person at this point is admitting their old man voted for Trump?
He can vote for whomever he wants.Can we agree that It's likely that he isn't "a long-standing Republican" ?Doesn't negate that he may have registered as a Republican to vote against Trump either.https://www.dailywire.com/news/dnc-used-deported-woman-to-attack-trump-she-was-deported-under-clinton-flagged-under-obama/
"The deported illegal alien that the Democrat National Convention used this week to attack President Donald Trump was previously deported under Democrat President Bill Clinton and was flagged under former Democrat President Barack Obama to be deported after she illegally re-entered the United States.
Democrats used Alejandra Juarez’s daughter, 11-year-old Estela Juarez, as a weapon against the president during the DNC this week when she read an emotional letter that tried to portray the president as a cold person who was ripping families apart."
Well, her dad did vote for Trump!
Looks like this "Republican" may not be a Republican tho.
https://www.depetro.com/2020/08/fraud-with-dnc-michael-from-rhode-island-is-a-registered-democrat-not-republican/
Doesn't mean he didn't vote for Trump....
Don't have to register for any party to vote in the general election though.
Does it matter if he voted for Trump? What sane person at this point is admitting their old man voted for Trump?
Ya think the DNC has access to voting records ?
That makes no sense. They don't know if he voted for Trump.or Hillary. The hook was the dad voted for Trump.and now regrets it. Which seemed to be a running theme with all the Republicans speaking at the convention and every person with firing synapses who voted against Hillary.The hook of that stupid ad was that Trump killed her father. It was about the dumbest thing I've heard all week. Are we going to blame all the other deaths that have happened in the world on Trump too? I guess we can blame all the H1N1 deaths on Obama and Hidin' Biden then. It's typical Dummycrat ignorance.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/dnc-used-deported-woman-to-attack-trump-she-was-deported-under-clinton-flagged-under-obama/
"The deported illegal alien that the Democrat National Convention used this week to attack President Donald Trump was previously deported under Democrat President Bill Clinton and was flagged under former Democrat President Barack Obama to be deported after she illegally re-entered the United States.
Democrats used Alejandra Juarez’s daughter, 11-year-old Estela Juarez, as a weapon against the president during the DNC this week when she read an emotional letter that tried to portray the president as a cold person who was ripping families apart."
Here's CBShttps://www.dailywire.com/news/dnc-used-deported-woman-to-attack-trump-she-was-deported-under-clinton-flagged-under-obama/
"The deported illegal alien that the Democrat National Convention used this week to attack President Donald Trump was previously deported under Democrat President Bill Clinton and was flagged under former Democrat President Barack Obama to be deported after she illegally re-entered the United States.
Democrats used Alejandra Juarez’s daughter, 11-year-old Estela Juarez, as a weapon against the president during the DNC this week when she read an emotional letter that tried to portray the president as a cold person who was ripping families apart."
Any sources besides far right wing nuts?
Number of UAB football players that have died this summer:
2
Causes:
Drowning: 1
Shooting: 1
COVID: 0
ah yes the hidden dangers, very scary, better weld everyone in their apartment for the next 10 years so nobody gets sick ever again
the best part of this whole sham is the msm have been pushing CASES CASES CAAAAAAASES! And not hospitilizations or deaths or even if the cases are asyomptomatic or minor or anything at all... (because you know those have been trending down since freaking June) show me kids in college (more than one or two outliers) that are being hospitalized from this and I'll lend a sympathetic ear, but this is such clown world bullshit now that we have actual information and statistics on the virus, and the politicians are listening to the retards on the internet rather than looking at the data. All they care about is getting re-elected and for some absolutely dumb reason they think power tripping over everyone is going to get it to happen.
That’s bad news for the dumbocrats ,what crisis will they manufacture next I wonder !
I mean FFS every day in America white men pay black men to fuck their wives while they watch from the closet.
While it is an interesting story it probably won’t have any bearing on evangelicals who aren’t going to vote for the B/H ticket regardless.
I mean FFS every day in America white men pay black men to fuck their wives while they watch from the closet. Can’t wait to see those guys come forward saying they’ve been victimized. (I believe statistically it’s more likely to happen in urban areas)
I mean FFS every day in America white men pay black men to fuck their wives while they watch from the closet.
Did not realize this. Is this a rural/ex-urbs thing?
I know that’s more than good enough for most of you here but I just want to see a transcendent campaign from a transcendent likeable candidate that promises big things and then sets the wheels in motion to make those big things possible. Maybe like a JFK kinda guy but less shootable and not raised on ill-gotten money.You just described Barack Obama. Also would describe Elizabeth Warren if she were younger.
I know that’s more than good enough for most of you here but I just want to see a transcendent campaign from a transcendent likeable candidate that promises big things and then sets the wheels in motion to make those big things possible. Maybe like a JFK kinda guy but less shootable and not raised on ill-gotten money.You just described Barack Obama. Also would describe Elizabeth Warren if she were younger.
One of the depressing things about the Democratic primary was a clog of candidates that had no practical chance but built up niche support and siphoned interest from serious alternatives to Biden. Sanders was never going to get the moderate vote and basically just blocked Warren from building a coalition with the nutjob progressives. Buttigieg was astroturfed and would be more valuable getting the House and running for Indiana governor or Senate. Ditto Beto O'Rourke. Yang has one good idea and should be running for a house seat. Bloomberg and Steyer just flushed money down the toilet. I'm not sure why they let Williamson on stage.
Kamala, Booker, Castro, Bullock, and Gillibrand either got ignored during the debates or had to go on weird attack tangents to get attention. All had to fold before the primaries. That's nuts.
I laughed. Owe you a +1.I mean FFS every day in America white men pay black men to fuck their wives while they watch from the closet.
Did not realize this. Is this a rural/ex-urbs thing?
shut up cuck, you know what he's talking about!
I wish both Biden and Sanders had retired to the farm. I would have liked to see a slate of Warren, Klobuchar, Harris and the two governors from Washington and Colorado. I would have been ok with a big city mayor joining the group. As you point out, the others didn’t have the experience or track record to run for the presidency and ended up muddying the waters.
One other thing, I would start the primary season with states that are representative of the country. Move Nevada and South Carolina to the top. Tell IA and NH to take a hike with their undemocratic caucuses.
Why do we live under the tyranny of IA and NH?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/19/why-do-we-live-under-tyranny-fucking iowa-new-hampshire/
I mean FFS every day in America white men pay black men to fuck their wives while they watch from the closet.
Did not realize this. Is this a rural/ex-urbs thing?
shut up cuck, you know what he's talking about!
Way to go Illini
https://twitter.com/itsallG_O_O_D/status/1301227715975143425
Nice Twitter handle you've got there. lolMaybe tell whomever that is.
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Ah.
What ya gonna do? Got shit, make a shit sandwich
What about SmellTheGlove?
If that data is factual it blows the whole sham out of the water.
So obviously you didn’t click on it. I’m inclined to believe the man since he had an Irish accent.
This article is incredibly prescient
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/
So, if they quit testing entirely, or, like in Florida, apparently, not releasing any info, we are good to go?
Except we do not know the long term effects given its apparent mutations.
That being said, my wife is good friends with someone who appears to be a "long-hauler." Been sick for months, vertigo, fatigue and other neurological issues. They didn't think she had the COVID so they didn't test her, until recently. She had the anti bodies. It has fucked her up since early spring.
This article is incredibly prescientIt is. From very early also.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/
My wife's sorority sister (Not Kelly Loeffler) has a son at UIUC. He has 4 roomates.
4 of the 5 just tested positive for COVID in regular screening.
My prediction is that with COVID gaining this foothold at campuses and kids being willing to skirt the rules from the start, once kids have COVID and eventually test negative, those kids will go nuts despite being presumably under the same rules - with the knowledge that they have had it already they will be even more likely to skirt the rules.
This will piss off a lot of kids who haven't tested positive yet - I can absolutely see the net effect that kids will be *less* vigilant, not more, basically hoping they get it so they can clear out then stop following protocol.
the University of Miami just had 833 positive tests and zero hospitalizations1026 students.
cases and tests don't mean anything anymore
It is. From very early also.
From today's fishwrap .....
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3200 young adults, with no age range listed, and 1/4 being extremely obese, 1/5 being diabetic and 1/7 with hypertension.
25% of the "young adults" being extremely obese. 800 of the 3200 being extremely obese.
2016 figures show the U.S. population at 36% overweight and 13% obese.
If it's ok to assume that 1/3 of the 13% national obese numbers are extremely obese, the number of young adults in this study would appear to possibly be 6 times the number expected if obesity was not a co-morbidity.
Yet, the study "establishes" that Covid is a life threatening disease in people of all ages ?
Hamblin seems to broadly contradict himself in the second article. The first article is titled, “You’re likely to get the corona virus,” and has a subheading of, “Most cases are not life-threatening, which is also what makes the virus a historic challenge to contain.” As previously discussed he says it’s essentially uncontainable.Agreed.
Then he comes back later in the second article and points to the lack of unified response in the US as the reason we were unable to contain it.
The continued attempt at fear mongering over increased cases with relatively very few hospitalizations and deaths is silly at best.
Agreed.
The 1st article was well written, imo. The 2nd, not so much so.
His foresight was much better than the hindsight.
There was no road map going into this, and any and all moves made were/are subject to critique in hindsight. If someone wants to do that.
Oh brother. Face the fact that we half assed this and are paying the price economically for it. Even reopening things are not going well because most people don't want to catch this thing and roll the dice that they won't have long term issues.
Sorry you couldn't get a haircut for 3 months?
I’m so old I remember when Americans were ready to take on major challenges and believed in the common good. I also remember when we had competent leadership.
Do you guys remember when we cancelled the world and had a shelter in place order until the end of May? I remember going over three months without a haircut and almost everything being shut down. That is pretty severe and pretty much the same as what most of Europe did. Some states reopened too early and saw a spike in hospitalizations. They reimplemented procedures and got it back under control. The US has gone on to develop one of the most robust testing policies in the world.
Trump was an arrogant jackass about it. I blame him for not taking it seriously costing some lives in the early going. I’m ultimately ok with the federal government letting the states make their own decisions at the local level rather than throwing a blanket policy over the entire country. We even saw Illinois break further down into zones because it doesn’t make necessarily make sense to apply the same rules in Clark County as Cook County.
I think most places did a pretty good job flattening the curve which was what we set out to do. It wasn’t to try and stop all cases from happening, just to keep from overwhelming health services. Some places didn’t do a very good job and ended up looking like idiots. It looks like the worst is behind us thankfully.
smite me soy boys
Was that back during Nam? 1968? Nixon? Stagflation? The Cold War and constant fear of nuclear annihilation? I can’t ever remember when the “good old days” were.Vietnam was a dumbass war so a lot of Americans did band together to protest the war and eventually those Americans got Nixon to end it.
This is just dumb. In Italy they had cops patrolling to make sure the streets were clear. Here, we had pool parties in the Ozarks on Memorial Day. The countries that succeeded *shut* things down.
The response needed to be federal because yeah, that pool party in the Ozarks - that was people from out of town. Sun Valley Idaho had a HUGE spike in that dinky little town because a bunch of people from LA went up there to "ride out the pandemic" and by doing so extended the pandemic by infecting a new population. My idiot friends from Chicago - "We're going up to Wisconsin - you're allowed to do X/Y/Z there" - thus taking people from places with high infection rates and introducing them to places with low infection rates, thus jacking up the infection rate in the place that was "doing well"
You couldn't get a haircut for 3 months. What a douche. Shouldn't matter because you're locked up inside, if it's uncomfortable, hack it off with some scissors, it will grow back and if it won't you didn't need a haircut anyway.
Vietnam was a dumbass war so a lot of Americans did band together to protest the war and eventually those Americans got Nixon to end it.
The better reference is probably World War II, which nobody on this board presumably remembers - but people on this board may be old enough (I certainly am) that we had coherent conversations with WW II veterans who weren't much older than I am now. When I was growing up in the 70's, there was substantially less media to consume - Sunday night was a big deal because there would be a movie on TV, we would make popcorn and gather as a family to watch a movie at exactly 7 PM on Sunday on ABC. Given that WW2 wasn't just abstract to 99% of the population, a lot of the movies were war movies like Bridge too Far, Dirty Dozen, Kelly's Heroes. In 8th Grade US History we probably spent and entire quarter just on World War II.
A teenager this day, World War II is ancient history - nobody is sitting down with their grandparents hearing stories of rationing coupons.
This is fantastic. Mr. Defund the Police pining for the police to keep everyone locked inside their homes until someone says it’s safe to come out.
Pure gold.
I’m trying to envision a world where things were done to physically prevent people from going to Wisconsin or the Ozarks and it’s some seriously scary dystopian police state stuff you’re advocating for. 😳
You wanna talk about dumb? You are so emotionally attached to your tribe’s stance on this that you can’t even be objective about any of it.
My paternal grandparents have both told me a great deal about it and one of my school projects sometime in the 1990s was to interview a WWII vet. I remember it well.
There is a common glow amongst these people as a result of watching a nation unite to overcome an existential threat when they were young. It took an astonishingly horrific event (77 million people died) beyond the scope of anything any of us can fathom to foster that glow. Try again.
It's a bummer.
Since late July we've settled into a pattern of peaks-valleys-plateaus-peaks-valleys-plateaus for the death toll in the U.S. Seems like we’re on a path to learn the hard way.
Tens of thousands of needless deaths and untold number of lingering impacts.
I’m so old I remember when Americans were ready to take on major challenges and believed in the common good. I also remember when we had competent leadership.
What's amazing about the whole thing is that only 2403 of them died on US soil, at the hands of the Japanese, but we went into Europe anyway, to fight an enemy whose flag is now proudly flown by Trump supporters.
Yeah back when this country was much whiter, and those pesky women and negros couldn't vote... am I right grandpa?
My paternal grandparents have both told me a great deal about it and one of my school projects sometime in the 1990s was to interview a WWII vet. I remember it well.I would try to talk with my Dad about his WWll B17 bombing runs over Germany. He didnt really want to talk about it.
There is a common glow amongst these people as a result of watching a nation unite to overcome an existential threat when they were young. It took an astonishingly horrific event (77 million people died) beyond the scope of anything any of us can fathom to foster that glow. Try again.
I would try to talk with my Dad about his WWll B17 bombing runs over Germany. He didnt really want to talk about it.
In one life span, we've gone from the greatest generation to a generation with too many people trying to change this country's structure dramatically.
I would try to talk with my Dad about his WWll B17 bombing runs over Germany. He didnt really want to talk about it.My grandfather didn’t go to WWII because he stayed home and ran the farm while his father was sick. He felt so guilty about it that when Korea came around he volunteered despite being in his late 20s by that time. His farm background made him a prime candidate as a tank commander, which he became.
In one life span, we've gone from the greatest generation to a generation with too many people trying to change this country's structure dramatically.
Here's a hot take: the Greatest Generation.allowed facsim and Communism to get a foothold , perpetuates Jim Crow and then gets credit for defeating fascism?19 years ago, members of the NYPD and FDNY were national heroes. Now, NYPD is being defunded.
OVERRATED!!!!!
My grandfather didn’t go to WWII because he stayed home and ran the farm while his father was sick. He felt so guilty about it that when Korea came around he volunteered despite being in his late 20s by that time. His farm background made him a prime candidate as a tank commander, which he became.
He didn’t ever talk about his time in Korea either. No one knew he’d been decorated for his service including a Purple Heart until after he passed away. Not even my grandma.
smite me soy boys
My grandfather didn’t go to WWII because he stayed home and ran the farm while his father was sick. He felt so guilty about it that when Korea came around he volunteered despite being in his late 20s by that time. His farm background made him a prime candidate as a tank commander, which he became.
He didn’t ever talk about his time in Korea either. No one knew he’d been decorated for his service including a Purple Heart until after he passed away. Not even my grandma.
[Man, this gaslighting thing is not only easy, it's almost fun.]
You're a liar. You probably don't even know it, because you've been indoctrinated.
Your grandfather was a communist agitator, and his "hero" story was propaganda, which you cucks immediately believed.
His hardline stance on conscientious objectors and draft dodgers during Nam which included being REALLY REALLY UPSET WITH THE AMISH was part of the perfect long con.
Did I ever tell you I really liked on of the tracks you had up on Youtube?
[Man, this gaslighting thing is not only easy, it's almost fun.]
The countries that succeeded *shut* things down.I remember when Wuhan shut it down and prevented a broad spread to the eastern Chinese megalopolises, people were already saying here - this is like in March/April - that we just "couldn't" shut down as they had, and I asked people why, and I never got a satisfactory answer.
Did I ever tell you I really liked on of the tracks you had up on Youtube?
I remember when Wuhan shut it down and prevented a broad spread to the eastern Chinese megalopolises, people were already saying here - this is like in March/April - that we just "couldn't" shut down as they had, and I asked people why, and I never got a satisfactory answer.
If you plan correctly and have functioning social services you can go 10 days without leaving the house. It sucks, but it's better than still dealing with a pandemic 6 months later.
Please don’t be the guy championing China.
You often go for weeks without seeming like you're a hideous, small town xenophobic goober.
You often go for weeks without seeming like you're a hideous, small town xenophobic goober.Sorry, I thought you liked science
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/infectious-positive-pcr-test-result-covid-19/
"What can we conclude?
These studies provided limited data of variable quality that PCR results per se are unlikely to predict viral culture from human samples. Insufficient attention may have been paid how PCR results relate to disease. The relation with infectiousness is unclear and more data are needed on this.
If this is not understood, PCR results may lead to restrictions for large groups of people who do not present an infection risk.
The results indicate that viral RNA load cut-offs should be used: to understand who is infectious, the extent of any outbreak and for controlling transmission."
"What can we conclude?"I try to. And for every study, there is a conflicting study.
Choose your reports and studies on COVID-19 wisely. Cast your net widely when looking at the articles about the virus. We are still learning much. Let the scientific process work. Hope that our public health officials and medical community have protocols in place to deal with the evolving research on the pandemic.
FWIW, the lead researcher Dr. Jefferson said COVID may have lain dormant across the world rather than starting in China. There is disagreement about that claim.
Coronavirus: Claim that COVID-19 was found in Europe last year is highly unlikely, says professor
https://www.euronews.com/2020/07/10/coronavirus-claim-that-covid-19-was-found-in-europe-last-year-is-highly-unlikely-says-prof
His research colleague and director of the CEBM also said the daily number of COVID deaths could approach zero by the end of June.
https://www.fr24news.com/a/2020/05/covid-19-daily-death-toll-could-drop-to-near-zero-by-the-end-of-next-month-expert-says.html
While hospitalizations and deaths are down where I live, I think I'll continue to avoid large groups/gatherings, limit my time in enclosed spaces when grocery shopping, etc., and wear a mask when I can't social distance.
Can we stop calling COVID-19 the “China Virus” or "Wuhan Virus" and start blaming Brazil for the pandemic?
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/virus-was-circulating-chinese-mouthpiece-blames-brazil-for-coronavi.html
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Before the people in the hazmat suits showed up.
The guy on the bike is to give the impression that there's nothing to see here. Happens all the time.
I don't remember seeing these images from anywhere but communist China.
I try to. And for every study, there is a conflicting study.
I'm not sure about the value of running cycles until a positive result is obtained in a person who is not contagious. The article appears to imply that 30 cycles, plus or minus, may be an appropriate cut off for cycling.
I still maintain we are stuck with this virus til next spring. Over reaction and under reaction can be counter productive, especially when we're looking at a 12-15 months time frame.
Your last paragraph sums things up for me. I'm fortunate in being able to spend the worst of all this in a rural environment.
https://www.livescience.com/brain-invasion-coronavirus.html
"The research, posted Sept. 8 to the preprint database bioRxiv, has not yet been published in a peer-reviewed journal, but it provides evidence that SARS-CoV-2 can directly infect brain cells called neurons. Although the coronavirus has been linked to various forms of brain damage, from deadly inflammation to brain diseases known as encephalopathies, all of which can cause confusion, brain fog and delirium, there was little evidence of the virus itself invading brain tissue until now. "
Hopefully this won't happen to ILLove after going to the Trump rally.
I didn't go, I thought it was cancelled (thanks governor cocksucker) and it was about an hour drive from me.So I was just passing through Reno and I knew it was in Minden, and you didn't.
Either way, I watched it on youtube, he sure was fired up that night! lol
I didn't go, I thought it was cancelled (thanks governor cocksucker) and it was about an hour drive from me.
Either way, I watched it on youtube, he sure was fired up that night! lol
Wow maybe a hair overdramatic
Then I thought about it some more. The whole Ohio State team is going to go lick toilets....
Oh cool. HQ2 is finally, inevitably the place to find Falun Gong propaganda.Really we should have dumped everything possible on day one. #MissedOpportunities.
What took so long?
Looks like Murph is living large:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-09-18/lake-tahoe-booms-in-tech-s-work-from-anywhere-shift
Note of caution: The people who are least responsible about COVID are also the people who care least about COVID.
I read the Worcestershire Wikipedia page in late July. I was making a decision about Worcestershire sauce at the time.
Worcestershire is essential umami
Been using some Tamari soy sauce lately
A little Tamari and teriyaki with some honey and garlic makes a great all purpose marinade. Pineapple juice if I want more of a Hawaiian twist.
I ordered some of this to try, it is due to arrive tomorrow:
https://heatonist.com/products/seed-ranch-umami?variant=378407354377
There is a fruitier Asian tamarind sauce called Bulldog Worcestershire sauce, but I prefer the original Lea & Perrins. I suppose they still make it the same way even though Kraft Heinz apparently bought the brand.
I’ve tried a lot of store brand Worcestershire sauces and they’re all fundamentally different than L&P. Less complex and usually sweeter. I would like to try some more boutique brands at some point. It’s a staple for me. Although this is really good and easily used in its stead.
https://blacksheepculinary.com/product/bloom-sauce-marinade-smoked-recipe/
I’ve tried a lot of store brand Worcestershire sauces and they’re all fundamentally different than L&P.
I'm grateful for the Trump presidency (and to a lesser extent, the Sarah Palin VP nomination) for revealing the extent of Dumbfuckery in the United States.
Also, Fuck Custard Fart.
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Addendum - I have expressed, many times, my incredulity at your incompetence/malice in running this board.
You've crossed a line today.
Does that mean you can watch the Sox lose in devastating fashion in public?
honestly I don't really care, whatever gets the information out that this virus is not as deadly as thought back in march and we need to get back to our normal lives, and to turn off the fucking fear mongering news because listening to them is destroying the country. If it gets people out of bed and excited for life rather than suicidal I'd say its a valuable campaign.
honestly I don't really care, whatever gets the information out that this virus is not as deadly as thought back in march and we need to get back to our normal lives, and to turn off the fucking fear mongering news because listening to them is destroying the country.
If it gets people out of bed and excited for life rather than suicidal I'd say its a valuable campaign.
but yeah we definitely should destroy the economy and never have large gatherings or fun ever again
The CDC’s new estimate, for the first time, is broken down by age groups. Here is what the CDC calls its “current best estimate” of chances of dying from the virus if you get infected:
1 out of 34,000 for ages 0 to 19;
1 out of 5,000 for ages 20 to 49;
1 out of 200 for ages 50 to 69; and
1 out of 20 for ages 70 and up.
Here’s another way to look at the same numbers. If you get infected, your chances of surviving are as follows:
Age Group Probability of Survival
0-19: 99.997%
20-49: 99.98%
50-69: 99.5%
70+: 94.6%
The CDC’s numbers are actually published as what’s called the “Infection Fatality Ratio” or IFR. The relevant portion of their chart is reproduced below. We’ve just stated their numbers a different way and rounded a bit. IFR includes, as those who were “infected,” those who got the virus but never got sick or displayed symptoms.
The CDC’s “best estimate” may be off and it offered other scenarios, also shown in the chart below. They are all very low, however, as you can see. For those age 20-49, for example, even under the worse case scenario, the IFR is only .0003. That means your chances of dying even if you got infected would be 1 out of 3,333.
Estimates of COVID’s lethality have been dropping regularly. In March, when most of the nation went into lockdown, Dr. Anthony Fauci estimated the mortality rate at about 2% and the World Health Organization pegged it at about 3.4%. Both are far higher than the current CDC estimate.
Those earlier numbers, which were far more frightening, got extensive press coverage. Very little media attention, however, has gone toward the new numbers.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
and thats even if you actually get infected with it which is also infinitesimally small as well (about 1/100)
but yeah we definitely should destroy the economy and never have large gatherings or fun ever again
And more to the point - if we just blow it off - what are the numbers of people who are hospitalized? While in the hospital, people are not contributing to the economy, they are draining the economy. We make money by reducing hospitalizations, not just deaths.
In the time you took to write this up, you could have put on a mask, not spread that shit, and we could shortly go out and have fun again.
What needs to happen so we can go out and have fun again shortly?
Universal testing + universal two weeks isolation.
I'm not sure what we'd do with the homeless, but could probably accommodate the heart attacks.
Seems reasonable Rob.
Let me know when ILLove is 1 of the x in those mortality numbers. I'll feel a lot better then about the statistical chances of a family member NOT being the 1 in that age range.
The spit test is pretty fast. Instantaneous results are the linchpin.
The QAnon resistance will diminish significantly when people realize that we will actually throw them in jail.
But yes, we really will have to throw people in jail. We did it in 1942. We can do it again.
hospitalizations and deaths have been going down for months now, herd immunity is a real thing... and a huge percentage of hospitalizations are either elderly people who don't work, or people on disability who don't work...
or you know, those of us who are under 70 years old can go back to living our lives normally without all that
did you get hit in the head with a dumpster door? something is really off with you lately
Seems kind of unlikely since prisons have been letting thousands of convicts out cuz ‘Rona. Some were apparently released while they were symptomatic.
Maybe a house arrest enforced by the defunded police?
or you know, those of us who are under 70 years old can go back to living our lives normally without all thatA coalition of the crazy, the stupid and the reckless has already joined forces with horny college kids. It's still not enough to keep the service industry afloat.
Herd immunity?It's interesting that Old 97 links reality-based sources, yet demonstrates no understanding of reality.
It's interesting that Old 97 links reality-based sources, yet demonstrates no understanding of reality.
There's no evidence that this particular virus leaves its hosts immune to further infections, which is the foundational principle of herd immunity.
It's also weird that he uses infection/death statistics compiled from a population that is, to a significant extent, mitigating transmission to argue that infection/death statistics will remain the same if the entire under-70 population eliminates mitigation.
It would require a coordinated government response led by competent people, yes.
A coalition of the crazy, the stupid and the reckless has already joined forces with horny college kids. It's still not enough to keep the service industry afloat.
You kind of contradict yourself here to some extent. You present a scientifically sound solution, but it’s dependent on rational actors and an isolation/testing protocol that would be impossible to enforce, particularly in suburban/exurban/rural areas. You then curse the irrational actors that make your plan unrealistic.
Back in March when the plan was to flatten the curve if someone had said that by October shitloads of people would be testing positive and hospitals weren’t overwhelmed or even close to overwhelmed we’d have viewed that as a huge win. But now the entire discussion has turned to case numbers.
I keep flashing back to The Atlantic article from February about how this was essentially going to be uncontainable and we shouldn’t be surprised by that outcome.
As to the herd immunity thing I’ve seen studies that indicate previous corona virus infection T cells are effective for many people in combatting COVID which is why such a higher percentage of people are asymptomatic. They get infected and carry it but it doesn’t manifest into any symptoms. And that the low percentage of young people that have been affected likely have some genetic marker(s) that makes them more susceptible to it but it’s not clearly understood yet.
It's generally good that we've managed to not have corpse trucks, but unless we finish this thing off, we can't stop mitigation or we will have corpse trucks. We're still at a very low percentage infected. For all the stories of nursing homes being overrun, the vast majority of nursing homes have been able to avoid outbreaks. We could change that if you like.
Herd immunity? Saw yesterday that "medical experts" believe only 10% have the antibodies. Far cry from the 70% needed for herd immunity.
And, by Florida going full Florida, I guess we will see what happens to the death rates and the rates on whatever other medical issues may arise aside. That is if we get true numbers
You kind of contradict yourself here to some extent. You present a scientifically sound solution, but it’s dependent on rational actors and an isolation/testing protocol that would be impossible to enforce, particularly in suburban/exurban/rural areas. You then curse the irrational actors that make your plan unrealistic.
Back in March when the plan was to flatten the curve if someone had said that by October shitloads of people would be testing positive and hospitals weren’t overwhelmed or even close to overwhelmed we’d have viewed that as a huge win. But now the entire discussion has turned to case numbers.
I keep flashing back to The Atlantic article from February about how this was essentially going to be uncontainable and we shouldn’t be surprised by that outcome.
As to the herd immunity thing I’ve seen studies that indicate previous corona virus infection T cells are effective for many people in combatting COVID which is why such a higher percentage of people are asymptomatic. They get infected and carry it but it doesn’t manifest into any symptoms. And that the low percentage of young people that have been affected likely have some genetic marker(s) that makes them more susceptible to it but it’s not clearly understood yet.
You kind of contradict yourself here to some extent. You present a scientifically sound solution, but it’s dependent on rational actors
Nonsense.
First, you're misusing the concept of a rational actor. Lots of young people are acting rationally right now by going out and partying. It suits their self-interest. That's rational.
If our coordinated governments chose to crack down, many of the MAGAts and QAnons would shut up and abide the rules. Enforcing the rules against the ne'er-do-wells is feasible, whether it's ankle-monitors or mass incarceration. We could do it. It Whether it's locking them in the Superdome with cots & blankets or something like Manzanar, we could do it. But I suspect the numbers would be so small that we could fit them into existing structures.
The FreeDumbs will discover that the Constitution, as interpreted throughout its existence, has a soft spot for exigent circumstances.
I assumed a rational actor would
You have been saying this exact same shit for 6.5 months and outside of the first big wave it’s never come to fruition.
There is some really good information out there that basically shows the first wave type event will not happen again if you care to risk some cognitive dissonance.
You have argued we couldn’t control the virus because the rednecks aren’t mitigating yet the rednecks are just fine.
So now the argument is “well, the percentage of infected people is low because it’s being mitigated but we have to be careful or we will have corpse trucks”
I mean pick a lane dude. I’ve never seen anyone weasel their way to moral high ground the way you do. Even ILLove is preaching for older at risk people to be cautious and for those that encounter them to be cautious. But yet here you are throwing out the tired old nursing home card.
I assumed a rational actor would want to stay safe, not get on the news for starting an outbreak, put their families at risk, etc.You would suck at prisoner's dilemma
But your leper colony/concentration camp idea is certainly fascinating.
You have been saying this exact same shit for 6.5 months and outside of the first big wave it’s never come to fruition.
You have argued we couldn’t control the virus because the rednecks aren’t mitigating yet the rednecks are just fine.
It's an Economics concept. It's also a Law & Economics concept. From there, it's been harnessed for discussion within other behavioral sciences.
When did the first wave end, the one that happened and won't happen again?
The 7 day average had it's first local maxima on April 11 - 31,500
Today's 7 day moving average is 37,300 - higher than that value. Or are you saying the first wave didn't actually end until cases spiked up again in mid June off the May decrease that was a function of NY/NJ drastically dropping their case numbers?
As for rural rednecks and being fine - the top 15 per capital case loads last week were - North Dakota, South Dakota, Wisconsin, Utah, Iowa, Montana, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Idaho, Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska, South Carolina, Alabama, Wyoming
I studied economics at UI. Maybe that’s why I didn’t consider college kids partying to be financially or legally motivated.
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There's this constant dichotomy of you seeming intelligent & intellectually curious versus you posting batshit crazy talking points from the furthest edge of the fringe.
Tony Tenpenny is a fine example of dead rednecks. But he was "old," so maybe doesn't count. Richard Rose is the poster boy. He flaunted Covid, got it, tried to rationalize his behavior, deteriorated, wrote an online mea culpa and died.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMx1Va0XBV4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMx1Va0XBV4)
And of course ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f99oE_Yw4YA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f99oE_Yw4YA)
If you studied Economics, you'll know that Economics is a human behavioral science.
Rational Self-Interest is not a variant of altruism.
Apparently just Econ 101.
Get further along and you understand the concept of Utility Function. Money - and even jail time - is not the only currency.
I remember back when you hated ideologues and welcomed varying opinions.
You're running a disinformation-curious website during a pandemic AND during a foreign adversary's propaganda campaign. For the second time in a week, I'll warn you about your exposure. The fact that you're perpetuating these concepts knowingly, and not just recklessly, graduates your liability. You are not a platform. You are a publisher.
Your contempt for science and championing of rednecks might be a charming quirk in different circumstances.
I’ve called you out on it at least twice, but you keep using tabloid exceptions that prove the rule. I know murph particularly was really relishing the natural mass extinction of the American Redneck, but now his hopes rest on your COVID concentration camp fever dream.
I majored. Human nature and thus economics = notoriously malleable.
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It's really funny
There are 2 types of Econ majors at UIUC.
Those that couldn't get into Engineering, and those who washed out of Engineering. Which were you?
Oddly enough, neither.
It’s possible, more like probable, that I would not have been admitted into engineering. But I didn’t want to get into engineering, so I didn’t apply. I started out essentially undeclared and decided to focus on economics and business one week into my junior year.
Oddly enough, neither.
It’s possible, more like probable, that I would not have been admitted into engineering. But I didn’t want to get into engineering, so I didn’t apply. I started out undeclared and decided to focus on economics and business one week into my junior year.
You have been saying this exact same shit for 6.5 months and outside of the first big wave it’s never come to fruition.
There is some really good information out there that basically shows the first wave type event will not happen again if you care to risk some cognitive dissonance.
You have argued we couldn’t control the virus because the rednecks aren’t mitigating yet the rednecks are just fine.
So now the argument is “well, the percentage of infected people is low because it’s being mitigated but we have to be careful or we will have corpse trucks”
I mean pick a lane dude. I’ve never seen anyone weasel their way to moral high ground the way you do. Even ILLove is preaching for older at risk people to be cautious and for those that encounter them to be cautious. But yet here you are throwing out the tired old nursing home card.
It's always key to find someone who finds passion for something in life, follows that passion, and executes on that vision.
Quiz tomorrow at 11am.
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/09/28/false-positive-tests/amp
The thread was locked. There’s a lock toggle on the screen for threads when you’re an admin and I must have accidentally toggled it on. It’s not a hard thing to do there’s just a lock button at the bottom of the page surprised this is the first time it’s happened.
I thought the entire purpose of this website WAS Soviet disinformation.
правильно, товарищи?
Wow I was really AOTC on this, now public health experts are coming around to my way of thinking. Other reports saying up to 30-40k health experts have endorsed the declaration now.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54442386
Interesting arguments pro and con in that article. While I believe in reopening schools and other youth oriented events, and closing them back up if positive tests, etc., the issue here remains the long term implications of getting The COVID still remain unknown. For example, I can't see young men having low sperm counts due to having The COVID, etc., as being a good outcome. Good to see ILLove was not the Nevada Man who died from his second go around with The COVID.
Science is real.
"Inaugural Official HQ2 Tempo AOTC Award Winner"
lol.
practically a religion these daysI don’t think science should be followed without question, but I think blindly following what scientific experts say is preferable to the model used by our president and his supporters:
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I don’t think science should be followed without question, but I think blindly following what scientific experts say is preferable to the model used by our president and his supporters:
1. Listen to what the scientists say (or don’t, doesn’t really matter).
2. Do whatever personally benefits you the most.
3. Make up some bullshit that sounds good to support #2.
don't be jealous, it was awarded to me by the mighty PAMSorry about that. My apologies.
3. If we add conspiracy theories, fake experts and logical fallacies to confirmation bias in the second chart, I think that would make ILLove1997 a “Science Worshiper.” Who would have thunk it?
Sorry about that. My apologies.
I thought it was maybe self awarded.
Rest assured. I'm not jealous.
I'll come up with an award for you too shortly.Didnt I get the 1st why do you hate America award, or something like that, recently ?
I don’t think science should be followed without question, but I think blindly following what scientific experts say is preferable to the model used by our president and his supporters:
1. Listen to what the scientists say (or don’t, doesn’t really matter).
2. Do whatever personally benefits you the most.
3. Make up some bullshit that sounds good to support #2.
Didnt I get the 1st why do you hate America award, or something like that, recently ?
The COVID-19 Fall Surge Is Here. We Can Stop It:
What we can learn from other countries to avoid the worst-case scenario
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/how-keep-fall-surge-becoming-winter-catastrophe/616674/
The COVID-19 Fall Surge Is Here. We Can Stop It:
What we can learn from other countries to avoid the worst-case scenario
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/how-keep-fall-surge-becoming-winter-catastrophe/616674/
I just figured we could just save some time and read Gov. Cuomo's book on how to do a great job with coronaviruses
I just assumed you went to see Trump in Carson City to get the 411 with a side of Rona
I just assumed you went to see Trump in Carson City to get the 411 with a side of Rona
Now Trump had a rally in Omaha with freezing temps, they bussed people in but the crowding of people still trying to get in after he left the short rally blocked the buses getting out, and a bunch of elderly people are being rushed to the ER with hypothermia.
ECI actually winning at something:
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Turns out they already voted. He doesn't need them anymore.They already lived in Omaha. Leaving them to freeze just seems barbaric.
I've never poked around Omaha. Lincoln is pretty great.
I've never poked around Omaha. Lincoln is pretty great.
I stayed at a brand new hotel in Omaha while making the trek out west. It was fine. The next day drove from Omaha to Salt Lake City, blizzard right after we left Omaha so I couldn't even see Lincoln lol, that was fun in a sports car with summer tires
Spent a week in Lincoln in 2001 and have been back several times since. It is pretty great. Omaha doesn’t offer much unless you’re into college baseball, the zoo, crime, and all the casinos across the river.I've never been to Lincoln and appreciate the insight from y'all.
Ok so Sunday I started feeling like I was getting a cold. I have to travel and meet with people for work so like the good citizen I am I went and got tested Monday. They said wait a couple days. I have been isolating and waiting for results.
No results came by Thursday so I went to another testing facility that some people told me have quicker results.
Now it’s Saturday afternoon and no test results are available for me online, I haven’t been contacted, and when I call the state hotline they tell me they haven’t received any tests back yet for me.
And I hear or read we keep setting new records for positive tests every day but it plainly says it can take 6-10 days for results to come back. We are WAY behind on testing results and no one is even talking about it.
We are WAY behind on testing results and no one is even talking about it.You really ought to try the MSM sometime. They report on all this stuff.
County health dept called me today. My test was positive and I am under an isolation order until the 5th.
I’ve got football on and making some limited edition hot sauce with fermented carrots/jalapeños/garlic/chocolate Trinidad scorpion chiles from the garden. Trying to come up with a clever name for it.
Custards I lost my sense of taste due to Covid, but it sure tastes good hot sauce.
I suppose "The Shits" is already taken.
It’s funny. I decided to do this months ago and had to wait for enough of the chiles to ripen and then have been waiting on it to ferment for 2 weeks.Sounds awful. lol.
Then today comes when it is finally time to pull it all together and I have no sense of taste or smell. It’s so bizarre. I could inhale the fumes as I processed it with the vinegar and the brine but I couldn’t smell a thing. Should have about knocked me over. But I knew it was potent because my eyes started watering.
After I bottled it I sampled some from the bottle I am keeping for myself. I can sorta taste the vinegar and then there’s a little heat. But nothing major. Then a little later I got all the secondary effects of eating something really hot: a sweaty flush and an endorphin rush.
Sounds awful. lol.
Here's another fermented hot sauce for you.
https://www.smokingmeatforums.com/threads/some-fermented-hot-sauce.302589/
Haha that’s the exact recipe I used!That recipe was posted yesterday on that website, which I look at routinely.
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CASES guys CASES is what you need to be focusing on
That recipe was posted yesterday on that website, which I look at routinely.
I suppose you've tried this one too ?
https://youtu.be/Pe5wc6lFsrs
Omg thank you President-elect Biden!!!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻And they knew about it when ?
Omg thank you President-elect Biden!!!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Let’s look at what Pfizer said on October 16:
Pfizer says mid-November is earliest it can seek coronavirus vaccine approval
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-10-16/pfizer-mid-november-coronavirus-earliest-vaccine-approval
Oh wait! Pfizer just issued a clarifying press release a few minutes ago: "Yeah, we waited. We hate Shitforbrains' guts. Distributing a vaccine requires a competent government, not a clown show. Got a problem with that?"
Pfizer was going to announce it earlier but on the advice of George Soros, Dr. Fauci and Bill Gates they held back.
Congratulations Team Biden for engineering this post-October surprise.
https://www.morrisherald-news.com/2020/11/11/illinois-reports-highest-number-of-hospitalizations-since-covid-19-pandemic-began/awa2ua2/
Good thing they locked down all spring and summer and made masks mandatory! Really working wonders it seems...
Mn had its highest death count yesterday. 56. Previous high was 36.
"People 70 and older make up 9% of known infections but 81% of deaths. Fifty of the deaths reported Wednesday involved people 70 and older and 38 involved residents of long-term care facilities."
Mn had its highest death count yesterday. 56. Previous high was 36.
"People 70 and older make up 9% of known infections but 81% of deaths. Fifty of the deaths reported Wednesday involved people 70 and older and 38 involved residents of long-term care facilities."
Good thing they locked down all spring and summer and made masks mandatory! Really working wonders it seems...
I think I'll screen cap this post as a perfect example of the arrogance and stupidity that led us to the worst social & economic crisis since 1933.+1
Dumbass: the ignorant people (you, your cohort) didn't wear the masks. They didn't follow the guidelines.
That's why we're here.
Good thing they locked down all spring and summer and made masks mandatory! Really working wonders it seems...
I think I'll screen cap this post as a perfect example of the arrogance and stupidity that led us to the worst social & economic crisis since 1933.
Dumbass: the ignorant people (you, your cohort) didn't wear the masks. They didn't follow the guidelines.
That's why we're here.
+1
The red on the covid counties map matches the red on the election map
mask compliance seems to be pretty high just about everywhere that has rising cases according to the NY times, its almost like this is flu season in the north again and there's not a god damn thing you can do to stop any virus at this point. especially not some worthless cotton or paper mask strapped on your face lol
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I think I'll screen cap this post as a perfect example of the arrogance and stupidity that led us to the worst social & economic crisis since 1933.
Dumbass: the ignorant people (you, your cohort) didn't wear the masks. They didn't follow the guidelines.
That's why we're here.
yes its almost like the virus burned through a densely populated area and killed off the most vulnerable first, and now its still spreading to the less populated areas and killing those most vulnerable... its almost like this is exactly the same as every single fucking coronavirus we've dealt with in the last 200 years
Not sure if stupid or just trolling.
Your mask photo shows that the mask rate is best in areas that have the LOWEST current case counts - modulo El Paso. The Plains and upper midwest, and the SEC countries minus FLA are doing the worst, and don't wear masks.
As for this statement - on a per capita basis, California and New York are in the lowest quartile of cases over the entirety of the pandemic. As is California said "Wow, this pandemic is making a lot of people sick" and the Dakotas said "hold my beer"
Illinois is in the top 10 overall - BUT - Cook County is in the bottom third of per capita cases for the state of Illinois. The rural counties are doing the worst, including Grundy County where my Cousin is now in a COVID quaranitine area.
It's not exactly everywhere.
"Nov. 7, 2020, 5:45 PM CST
By Yuliya Talmazan and Eric Baculinao
Masks, hand sanitizer and temperature checks three times a day.
That's the average day for millions of schoolchildren in China, as the country where Covid-19 was first identified has all but declared victory over the coronavirus.
China, a country of 1.4 billion people, has not reported a single Covid-19 death since April 26, according to the country's National Health Commission — the only official source of information about coronavirus infection rates in China. NBC News could not independently verify the reported numbers."
There you have it.
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We currently test for SARS-CoV-2 using the ‘real-time reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction test’ (rt-PCR test). The test does not detect the virus itself, but detects the presence of genetic material of the virus called RNA. It does this by amplifying any RNA which is present in the sample. Think of it as a zoom lens on a camera. The cycle threshold (ct) is the number of times the specimen needs to be amplified in order to be able to detect whether or not virus RNA is present. At high cycle thresholds, the test can detect fragments of the RNA. These fragments of the virus, as opposed to complete strands, are not infectious. The test can even detect pieces of the virus that are left over from a previous infection weeks before.
Experts say that a cycle threshold over 35 is too sensitive to be meaningful. The US Centres for Disease Control has shown that patients who test positive at a cycle threshold of 33 or higher are probably not carrying enough of a viral load to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others. Testing for Covid-19 follows a protocol set by the manufacturers of the tests. Our research shows that cycle thresholds of 37 to 40 are being used in most countries – way in excess of the levels recommended by epidemiologists and virologists. Some countries have changed the cycle thresholds over time resulting in a more sensitive test between the ‘first’ and ‘second’ waves.
The rt-PCR test was never intended to, and cannot, detect infectiousness. A review conducted by the New York Times of three sets of coronavirus testing data from Massachusetts, Nevada, and New York found that up to 90% of patients who tested positive for the virus were what scientists refer to as ‘cold positives’. Cold positives are distinguished from ‘hot positives’ who are actually infected with an intact virus. ‘Cold positives’ have very, very low viral loads and are not ill, not symptomatic, not going to become symptomatic and, most importantly, they are not able to infect others. The New York Times reported that if the rt-PCR test was run at recommended cycle thresholds, up to 90% of ‘cases’ would have been negative.
The way rt-PCR test protocols work, only a yes/no result is produced. They only tell you if a fragment of virus was found. This could be a piece of ‘dead’ virus that can’t make the subject sick or contagious. Even where intact virus is present, the test results do not currently give an indication of whether there was a sufficient viral load for the subject to be contagious.
how did new york do and california do on deaths? Cases mean nothing at this point and the tests are a waste of time. Early on they help but now they just do nothing more than fear monger. The virus, is everywhere now.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
tests are a waste of time.You are the dumbest of fucks.
You are the dumbest of fucks.He's the Trump of the board - when you can't tell if trolling or just stupid.
You are the dumbest of fucks.
Restaurants in IL aren’t going down without a fight
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Well that's lucky.
My informal poll of 70 year olds finds that none of them minds gasping for air and slowly drowning in their own fluids as long as it means Harley riders can still get a beer at the VFW and shop Menards without wearing any cowardly face coverings.
Restaurants in IL aren’t going down without a fight
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Have you seen studies on the effects of lockdown on seniors or young people who aren’t even very vulnerable? Its terrible ! It’s time to live with the virus !!!
A story from TOS
We stopped at a restaurant in East Bumf**k, Parts Unknown, somewhere in Redneck USA today
They had two signs in the door. I should’ve taken a pic.
Sign 1 stated that the restaurant’s staff feels that masks are more of a hazard to them than covid, so they will not wear them, and if you don't like it don't eat there and call county health officials if you want; they already know and don't care.
Sign 2 stated that, due to a high rate of covid infection among staff, service may be slower than usual.
They should’ve had a third sign stating that they don't see a connection between signs 1 and 2
You are the dumbest of fucks.
I haven’t seen any mental health support groups, associations or providers join the #FreetheFace and #NoFear horde. Mental health advocates are calling for another coronavirus stimulus package to improve both coverage and services for mental health and substance abuse disorders.
https://www.nami.org/About-NAMI/NAMI-News/2020/NAMI-Calls-on-Congress-to-Respond-to-the-Mental-Health-and-Addiction-Crisis-Caused-By-the-COVID-19-P
I'm all for that as those things were a massive problem before these insane lockdowns.
humans have very short memories though and the nonsense we are doing now is completely unnecessary and ridiculous IMO
https://www.vox.com/2018/1/12/16882622/flu-season-epidemic-prevention-vaccine
Did y'all read the Tweet thread from the Iowa nurse?
No.Probably because she was from South Dakota
Probably because she was from South Dakota
https://news.yahoo.com/south-dakota-er-nurse-recalls-151800579.html
It’s kinda funny that Indiana has a lower mortality rate than Illinois and it’s practically the Wild West over there whereas Illinois has been one of the strictest states.
That is interesting. Perhaps Texas is a lot different than rural Illinois where many small towns have clinics and pharmacies. The nearest town to my residence boasts a population of 850 and has not one but two clinics affiliated with major health care providers in the region.
Plus people can get flu shots at about any pharmacy as well. I’d imagine pharmacies will be investing into the equipment necessary to administer the vaccine.
And on top of those factors, people in rural communities are also conditioned to travel long distances regularly. I dated a girl from central South Dakota for 18 months. Her parents own a large ranch 20 miles from the nearest map dot of a town. Because that little tiny town serves such a large geographic area it does have the essentials like a gas station, grocery store, pharmacy etc. There are many more just like them and they all seem to survive just fine.
So I don’t think it’s going to be a nightmare logistical issue. Rural people who want the vaccine will be able to find a way to get it. I believe the real challenge is that a relatively low percentage of those people will want the vaccine in the first place. Especially one that uses a new technology that’s been rushed through production without the usual safety protocols.
The 7 day moving average in Illinois is .7 per 100k, in Indiana is .6 per 100k. Data from March isn't particularly meaningful when we discuss today's level of restriction.
Cook County is .5 per 100k - lower than Indiana's statewide number. DuPage is .4 per 100k
Marion County Indiana - Indianapolis - is at .3 per 100k - to counter that, rural Indiana is much higher, higher than Illinois' statewide level.
What does all of this mean?
First off, this is mortality rate, not case rate. Rural areas might have higher fatality rates because of fewer treatment options, older populations.
Second - strictness of rules will be more closely correlated with *cases*, not deaths. Deaths correlate with cases, but it's a second order correlation from strictness of rules.
Illinois case load is 97/100k, Indiana 86/100k. That's significant. But again, Cook and DeKalb are below the statewide average for Illinois, as is Marion. The post above from Alum is potentially enlightening - that rural areas are just ignoring the rules anyway. Plenty of bars downstate that are supposed to be closed, the owner is just letting people in the back door and operating as a speakeasy
I suspect the refrigeration will be dealt with as quickly as ... PPE hysteria.
Rural areas might have higher fatality rates because of fewer treatment options, older populations.I would guess it's 100% correlated w/ age. Cook's median age is in the low-30s. Collar counties in the mid-30s. Every Illinois county that doesn't have a conurbation or college is well into the 40s with no volume in the 20-35 range (most likely to survive).
And just when I was forgetting how casually you spread misinformation about a deadly serious issue.
Not just snowflakes, but implausibly cliched snowflakes.
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Not just snowflakes, but implausibly cliched snowflakes.
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You don't hear news that Asian countries (commie bastards excluded), where mask wearing is not an issue, are having problems. Basically, we don't have the will to contain it because we are snowflakes.
in asian countries, people wear masks when they are sick, not healthy
Where the fuck do you come up with this shit? At least Mn cites to some Soviet propaganda website for his wacked out stuff.
https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/not-just-coronavirus-asians-have-worn-face-masks-decades
ILLove1997 and Gelato are a match...
TOKYO
The number of people you’ll see in Japan wearing surgical masks is pretty surprising. Sure, Japan is a hard working society, and the spread of productivity-sapping sickness is always a concern at schools and workplaces, but that doesn’t seem like reason enough for the proliferation of facial coverings that sometimes has Tokyo offices looking more like an operating room.
Health concerns are only part of the equation, though, as recent studies have revealed multiple reasons people in Japan wear masks that have nothing to do with hygiene.
Until recently, masks were primarily worn by people who had already come down with an illness. If you were feeling under the weather but couldn’t take the day off, common courtesy dictated that you cover your mouth and nose with a mask, so as not to breathe your germs all over you class or office mates or fellow commuters.
You don't hear news that Asian countries (commie bastards excluded), where mask wearing is not an issue, are having problems. Basically, we don't have the will to contain it because we are snowflakes.
https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/why-do-japanese-people-wear-surgical-masks-its-not-always-for-health-reasons
Now do an explanation of how sub-Saharan Africa contains COVID better than rural Louisiana.
Now do an explanation of how sub-Saharan Africa contains COVID better than rural Louisiana.
I wear a mask and am a huge germophobe and I ended up with it.Who in your household was tested
Who in your household was tested
Everyone. I was the only one that had it. The only person outside the household that I had exposure to that met the guidelines (inside 6 feet for 15 cumulative mins or more) was during a medical appointment the Wednesday before my symptoms appeared on Sunday. Both of us were wearing masks and the medical professional was wearing gloves during the exam. I had sanitized my hands before entering the facility, after entering the facility, and when I got back to my vehicle. I also used an alcohol wipe on the door handle and steering wheel.
how did new york do and california do on deaths? Cases mean nothing at this point and the tests are a waste of time. Early on they help but now they just do nothing more than fear monger. The virus, is everywhere now.Nov 18 - 1923 deaths. Highest number since May 7. 7 day moving average going up 5% per day
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
But I'd still put my money in one of your kids.
That sounds like a good way to get infected
It's not me. Custard is the butthole torturer.
Sadly I only get to torture my own. My birthday and cash bash after hours excepted.
Well, your relationship with meat both large and small has been a long and intense one.
plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Tom Allen’s locker room speech that’s been looping on all sports media...super spreader event?
A 93 year old client of mine passed away in her sleep over the weekend. She tested positive for covid but had no symptoms. She had a UTI two weeks prior and fell on her head two weeks prior to that. Wonder if that will be counted as a covid or natural causes death? Ah who cares, nice lady, sad to see her go.
Who's fucking Tony?
Wife tested positive few days ago. The bank at which she works closed for two days because they didn’t have enough personnel to operate.This thread should be renamed WTF is wrong with the State of Illinois thread. This board and everyone I know out there is infected, have yet to meet anyone here who has been infected.
Best wishes for your family, PussyMan™.
These are unprecedented times.
Aggressive Kid just got a positive test result. Awesome. Still awaiting my results. Now I can't go to the fucking Tony's....fuck.I'm pretty sure every Tony's and Mariano's has COVID spores already in permanent residence.
This thread should be renamed WTF is wrong with the State of Illinois thread. This board and everyone I know out there is infected, have yet to meet anyone here who has been infected.
how did new york do and california do on deaths? Cases mean nothing at this point and the tests are a waste of time. Early on they help but now they just do nothing more than fear monger. The virus, is everywhere now.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
Gotta get those vaccinations out there to the nursing homes to save the lives of all the big pharma cash cows as their financial base is taking a big hit. With 3000 deaths a day that’s like 25000 prescriptions a day just down the drain for them. On the flip side the additional antidepressants and anxiolytics for those who aren’t at risk is probably helping keep them afloat in the meantime.
Now this is SMDH worthy!
Cases mean nothing. Deaths are the important stat.
ILLove is like Trump, there's a tweet for everything.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html
“Nursing home residents are prescribed an average of 7 to 8 different drugs to take on a regular basis.”
https://www.msdmanuals.com/home/older-people’s-health-issues/aging-and-drugs/aging-and-drugs
nothing fishy going on here at all...
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#ILIMap
nothing fishy going on here at all...
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#ILIMap
Not sure what his point is - "Hey man, fewer flu cases than typical!", which no shit, the population is being more cautious in general so the flu is down, but COVID is more contagious so we're FUBAR anyway.
Maybe we should have reopened things in the summer when hospitals were so empty a lot of them went out of business
[This claim has been disputed]
Maybe we should have reopened things in the summer when hospitals were so empty a lot of them went out of businessWhat did you do to help? I'm sure there are plenty of elective surgeries you could have had.
Ok.... so, they don't deserve to have the vaccine?
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No offense but you completely missed the point of both my first and follow up points.They are among the first in line so as to perpetuate pharmaceutical industry profits?
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Priceless
What did you do to help? I'm sure there are plenty of elective surgeries you could have had.
If you're not willing to do the work yourself, quit bitching.
If Gelato being on your side does not make you reconsider your position, I don't know what will.
Of all people I thought PAMan would appreciate that meme because murph et al are always telling us Covid numbers are way up because people aren’t wearing masks and then he tells us flu numbers are way down because people are wearing masks. Usually PAMan does a pretty good job of trying to see things from the middle.
Bitched online at my retarded politicians? And yes, its fucking aggravating going anywhere and doing anything these days when its like an OCD hypochondriac's wet dream everywhere I go. My god I went to Chase bank yesterday to get some cash for my assistant's Christmas bonus, and needed to open an account, inside this poor girl's office was a massive 4 foot tall plexiglass shield on her desk... I mean she's already wearing a mask all day, just fucking lol... praise his noodly appendage that I can work from home and avoid most of this absolute clown world on a daily basis. Oh the point of my story was I haven't been to the doctor as much as I should... my knee fucking hurts and I could definitely see a dentist soon, but since our government is flat out retarded and telling everyone what they can and can't do, and people are obeying, its months till I can actually get a stupid appointment.Have you considered seeing if a vet can get you in sooner ?
its a meme not a position...
god you lefties are fucking dumb
Of all people I thought PAMan would appreciate that meme because murph et al are always telling us Covid numbers are way up because people aren’t wearing masks and then he tells us flu numbers are way down because people are wearing masks. Usually PAMan does a pretty good job of trying to see things from the middle.
You've used a logical fallacy. Flu numbers are "up" compared to previous years. COVID numbers are "up" compared to what they would be in theory, this year. A clever trick, to compare apples and oranges.
Both COVID numbers and flu numbers are higher than they would be if mask usage was higher. And both numbers are lower than they would be if nobody used a mask.
In a typical flu season, mask wearing is next to non-existent. this year mask wearing is much higher than typical, so flu cases are lower than baseline. We don't have a COVID baseline but it's correct by construction - if masks prevent transmission, then transmissions are lower than they would be if nobody was using a mask.
It's pretty simple, if you got past 2nd grade math.
Have you considered seeing if a vet can get you in sooner ?
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The cdc link I provided says that the flu is irreguarily low for this time of year.
Usually PAMan does a pretty good job of trying to see things from the middle.Spark alt spreadsheet entry noted.
The NY Times has developed an app to give you a preliminary and rough guesstimate of where you are in the line to receive a vaccine.This is fucking dumb. The NYT should be embarrassed of this. Why would they think “young adults” should be vaccinated before 40-60 year olds? And why would they think children would be vaccinated at all? The vaccines aren’t even approved for use on children.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html
Uh, I think he explained why that was, but that it would be even lower with greater mask usage.
Yeah sure it would 🙄
It is impressive, in a perverse way, that you keep doubling down on the stupidity.
We are in the ”post-intelligence” phase of society at this point. It doesn’t really matter how smart your brain is if you won’t try to use it.
The cdc link I provided says that the flu is irregularly low for this time of year.
When did y’all become epidemiologists ?
We walked through a white trashy neighborhood today, on the way to a park.
One of the trashiest has a Fuck Your Feelings flag pinned to the wall bordering his property. And of course, a fenced dog.
This is how they won the hearts of America's evangelical crowd, obviously.
The cdc link I provided says that the flu is irreguarily low for this time of year.
Illove97 is the only poster here with a sackBut soon enough it will be a superfluous appendage
Illove97 is the only poster here with a sack
But soon enough it will be a superfluous appendage
https://www.lx.com/coronavirus/another-reason-to-wear-a-mask-covid-19-may-cause-erectile-dysfunction/25830/
Had it in March (caught it in Italy scouting talent) and have been to several girls tennis events lately. No problems yet. I might also mention tennis is one of the safest sports we can play in these precedented times. Check it out.U14 or U12?
So "Cinimod" is Wayne's latest attempt at an alt?
Had it in March (caught it in Italy scouting talent) and have been to several girls tennis events lately. No problems yet. I might also mention tennis is one of the safest sports we can play in these precedented times. Check it out.
Dude, it is Plaza/Toll Booth Willie/all the other alts he created at HQ when he kept getting banned for being a racist pedo who allegedly got kicked out of Illinois for being a perv and went to Indiana.
What was Tempo’s alt at HQ1? It was Trump themed, no?
He's trying too hard. Truth would never drop a load of Truth memes for the purpose of being outed as Truth.
Posted on: December 8, 2020
Cell Phone Alerts to Go Out to Areas with Increasing COVID-19 Danger
SACRAMENTO, Calif. – ... the Governor’s Office of Emergency Services will issue region-wide emergency alerts at noon on Tuesday, asking residents to stay home except for essential activities.
The following alert will be sent via text message through the Wireless Emergency Alerts (WEA) system to cell phone users across Southern California and the San Joaquin Valley:
“New public health stay at home order in your area. COVID-19 is spreading rapidly. Stay home except for essential activity. Wear a mask. Keep your distance. Visit covid19.ca.gov”
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Impossible, murph told me Californians "did it right"
Impossible, murph told me Californians "did it right"Doing it right again. Way below national numbers, but the trend is up, shut it down.
Doing it right again. Way below national numbers, but the trend is up, shut it down.
If you wait until it's too late to act, you're screwed.
South Dakota is sending patients to other states now because their hospitals are full.
I have sympathy for anyone who gets COVID, but I kind of feel like if you aren’t willing to even have a mask mandate, you shouldn’t get to send your patients to other states. I thought all these conservatives were about “personal responsibility”? You want to exercise your freedom to be a selfish twat, you deal with the consequences when you get sick.
In South Dakota, hospital critical-care capacity was limited long before COVID-19 hit. Rural residents in need of intensive care already were frequently expected to travel up to hundreds of miles by plane, helicopter or ambulance to get lifesaving treatment at major healthcare centers in Sioux Falls or Rapid City.
Patients with COVID-19 in western South Dakota face a challenging set of circumstances if they need care they can’t get locally. Community hospitals tend to be isolated and usually send their most critically ill patients to Monument Health Rapid City Hospital. But if that hospital is full, the nearest comparable hospital is more than 100 miles away and in a different state.
I looked up an article from it from an actual newspaper that apparently reports facts and it turns out that if you read past the headlines, a lot of interesting information comes out of an article.
https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2020/12/04/south-dakota-covid-19-patients-flown-out-of-state/3834939001/
such gems like this come out
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but yes the two anecdotes in the story are most certainly sad and unfortunate, but UNITY right guys?
When you live in a place where health care is limited to begin with - how is it that you aren't *MORE* aggressive in preventing the need for that limited health care?
"I'm going backpacking in a remote area of Thailand, not getting a malaria shot, if I get sick I'll just go to Kaiser Hospital"
Its almost as if, you can't fucking stop a virus no matter what you do, retard!
Its almost as if, you can't fucking stop a virus no matter what you do...!
Its almost as if, you can't fucking stop a virus no matter what you do, retard!You can’t stop it dead in it’s tracks, but you can control the spread. Saying “we can’t be perfect so we shouldn’t even try” is the absolute height of stupidity.
This truly is the dumbest thing you have ever posted. You really should be embarassed.Seriously, I think we’re to the point in society where it takes real effort for some people to remain as ignorant as they still choose to be. The information is everywhere. It comes from respectable scientists and doctors who just want to help save as many lives as possible. You have to consciously ignore it in order to be misinformed.
This truly is the dumbest thing you have ever posted. You really should be embarassed.
Seriously, I think we’re to the point in society where it takes real effort for some people to remain as ignorant as they still choose to be.
Seriously, I think we’re to the point in society where it takes real effort for some people to remain as ignorant as they still choose to be. The information is everywhere. It comes from respectable scientists and doctors who just want to help save as many lives as possible. You have to consciously ignore it in order to be misinformed.
I find this sin more forgivable in absolute drooling morons. It’s less forgivable in people who have half a brain. ILLove definitely has at least half a brain, so he should be embarrassed.
I disagree.Schoolteachers have to know this, and that some of them still publicly sell the children as our future is just a shameless fraud in action.
In hindsight, it seems that some portion of society (psychologists, successful partisan politicians) have always known that an appallingly large percentage of us are dopes.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/11/politics/white-house-fda-chief-approve-covid-vaccine-resign/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/11/politics/white-house-fda-chief-approve-covid-vaccine-resign/index.htmlThis falls under the category of “should never have been reported.” Yes, it makes Trump look like an idiot, but it makes people less trusting of the vaccine safety, which does more harm than good. Trump being an idiot is already well established anyway.
This falls under the category of “should never have been reported.” Yes, it makes Trump look like an idiot, but it makes people less trusting of the vaccine safety, which does more harm than good. Trump being an idiot is already well established anyway.
Zero reason not to report it if it is properly sourced.
Are "sources say" now considered proper?
Would depend on the source, obviously.Or whether or not you agree or it makes you angry at someone you dont like, yes?
Or whether or not you agree or it makes you angry at someone you dont like, yes?
Zero reason not to report it if it is properly sourced.I mean, I gave a reason not to report it, but OK. I could say someone saying it’s their journalistic responsibility, but there’s plenty that could be reported and isn’t. They reported this because it makes Trump look bad.
I mean, I gave a reason not to report it, but OK. I could say someone saying it’s their journalistic responsibility, but there’s plenty that could be reported and isn’t. They reported this because it makes Trump look bad.
But, but, but .......
What happens if Facebook, Twitter and You Tube are deciding what should be seen ?
But, but, but .......
What happens if Facebook, Twitter and You Tube are deciding what should be seen ?
Since when did "[credible/reliable] source(s) close to / familiar with / with knowledge of" become fake news? Insider whistle blowers talking to the press "on background" predates me.
But, but, but .......
What happens if Facebook, Twitter and You Tube are deciding what should be seen ?
See "All the President's Men"
Since when did "[credible/reliable] source(s) close to / familiar with / with knowledge of" become fake news? Insider whistle blowers talking to the press "on background" predates me.
Are "sources say" now considered proper?
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Just like the state saying "If you don't take the Polio Vaccine, you will might lose your ability to walk". What's up with the state making that sort of threat?
Just like the state saying "If you don't take the Polio Vaccine, you will might lose your ability to walk". What's up with the state making that sort of threat?
the Polio vaccine only took 23 years to develop, and was a far more serious illness than a seasonal coronavirus
Report: White House security chief has leg amputated due to COVID
“The director of White House security who has been hospitalized since September with COVID-19 needed his lower right leg amputated along with his left big toe due to complications from the virus, according to a report by Bloomberg News, citing confirmation by family friends.”
“Doctors are still learning about the extent to which the coronavirus can damage the body, but loss of blood flow is one possible consequence. The virus is known to attack the vascular system and can cause deadly blood clots.”
https://www.ajc.com/news/white-house-security-chief-has-leg-amputated-due-to-covid-19/KY5K6ASU4RHZTMJ3K4W2LBFHIY/
Tragic. Don’t underestimate the impact of this virus.
Report: White House security chief has leg amputated due to COVID
“The director of White House security who has been hospitalized since September with COVID-19 needed his lower right leg amputated along with his left big toe due to complications from the virus, according to a report by Bloomberg News, citing confirmation by family friends.”
“Doctors are still learning about the extent to which the coronavirus can damage the body, but loss of blood flow is one possible consequence. The virus is known to attack the vascular system and can cause deadly blood clots.”
https://www.ajc.com/news/white-house-security-chief-has-leg-amputated-due-to-covid-19/KY5K6ASU4RHZTMJ3K4W2LBFHIY/
Tragic. Don’t underestimate the impact of this virus.
Report: White House security chief has leg amputated due to COVID
“The director of White House security who has been hospitalized since September with COVID-19 needed his lower right leg amputated along with his left big toe due to complications from the virus, according to a report by Bloomberg News, citing confirmation by family friends.”
“Doctors are still learning about the extent to which the coronavirus can damage the body, but loss of blood flow is one possible consequence. The virus is known to attack the vascular system and can cause deadly blood clots.”
https://www.ajc.com/news/white-house-security-chief-has-leg-amputated-due-to-covid-19/KY5K6ASU4RHZTMJ3K4W2LBFHIY/
Tragic. Don’t underestimate the impact of this virus.
Thanks, useful idiot
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Thanks, useful idiot
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the Polio vaccine only took 23 years to develop, and was a far more serious illness than a seasonal coronavirusIt was also primarily a fecal to oral transmission vector - thus more concerning to Republicans who kiss Trump's ass continuously
Covid has not killed 300,000 this year.
Covid has not killed 300,000 this year.
The motherfucker stating that above is INSANE!!
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Let’s just make that 3 kettles.... digging for meat/food in dumpsters and then eating it will qualify one for that designation.
I'm sure you could imagine such a situation. For example, if one were actually digging, and the substance one dug through were used cat litter and wet, mold covered carpeting; that would seem at least desperate, and possibly a sign of mental health issues.
The problem here, with your contention, is that you're projecting knowledge while making assumptions. It's not uncommon, and not necessarily a sign of insanity so much as ignorance. Ignorance is not the same thing as stupidity, but people who are ignorant are often stupid, too.
I suggest that you would be crazy, ignorant AND stupid to spot a Lenovo ideapad 330-15ikb on the top of an overstuffed dumpster and not take it home with you. I just happen to be transferring files to one right now, from an ASUS Q304U which I also found this summer. The ASUS was merely near a dumpster, in a box with a nice Lenovo desktop and a separate, large screen ASUS laptop.
Luckily, I am prepared to believe that you are crazy, ignorant and stupid.
Two days ago,as the temperature hovered around 34 degrees, I spotted a 3lb bag of new potatoes. To the naked eye, it was clear that the bag had never been opened. The owner probably tossed them because s/he freaked out when the eyes started popping out. They'll be good for another month or so.
I would have taken them home even if the bag were half empty, of course. If they're carrying any germs, the FryDaddy will see to that. They're not likely more infected than any other potatoes in the vicinity.
The bag was, yes, in the dumpster. It sat on a tripod formed by two dry corrugated cardboard boxes and one filled tall kitchen garbage bag.
Is it crazier for the buyer to toss potatoes because eyes were sprouting, or for me to retrieve them?
What about the 26 cans of Campbell's soup I found on Thanksgiving Day? I'd say it'd be crazy to not bring them home, but it would have been stupid if I didn't wash them with soap and water in the kitchen sink.
These people throw out entire fridge/freezers of food, typically in one or two tightly closed plastic bags, but sometimes in the Rubbermaid kitchen garbage can itself. If it's warm, and leaking, I'd recommend you leave it for the raccoons. If it's still cold or frozen, you'd want to know more before rejecting it.
Let’s just make that 3 kettles.... digging for meat/food in dumpsters and then eating it will qualify one for that designation.
Have I missed something previously posted on this forum?
I suggest that you would be crazy, ignorant AND stupid to spot a Lenovo ideapad 330-15ikb on the top of an overstuffed dumpster and not take it home with you. I just happen to be transferring files to one right now, from an ASUS Q304U which I also found this summer. The ASUS was merely near a dumpster, in a box with a nice Lenovo desktop and a separate, large screen ASUS laptop.
How many people do I need to tell u about that have been perfectly fine after getting the virus and recovering quite nicely?! Including myself....
Yes. Rob loves to get food to eat for him and Heather out of local dumpsters.
Seems snobbish.
You wouldn't want to run Premier Pro on it, but why leave it there? People need these things.
I donated the other ASUS to a work-compromised friend of Heather's whose laptop had just died. It works for her. She uses it for modern if predictable applications that don't include producing high-definition feature length films, or intense live gaming.
I gave another laptop to a neighbor whose three kids suddenly all needed their own, because of remote learning. It works for them.
And as a bonus, it's not leaking mercury into the aquifer!
Do I want to be the guy picking up aluminum cans and glass bottles out of the road ditch on a busy highway? Not really. But I’m really glad there are people who do.
the Polio vaccine only took 23 years to develop, and was a far more serious illness than a seasonal coronavirus
🙄Nothing like picking some very rare extreme examples to back your claims. How many people do I need to tell u about that have been perfectly fine after getting the virus and recovering quite nicely?! Including myself....
I'm trying to be nicer....but it makes it really tough when the jokes write themsleves....
Good grief, you are not buying the co-morbidities and immediate causes of death nonsense? Some CDC report noted that covid-19 was listed as the sole cause of death in only a small number of cases. That was probably due to either sloppy death certificates or no autopsy being done. While coronavirus disease 2019 is frequently listed as the underlying cause of death, it is never going to be the sole or immediate cause. The latter will be something like acute respiratory distress, multiple organ failure, sepsis, and so on. Co-morbidities; which may or may not be preexisting, are frequently listed as contributing causes of death.
There have been more than 300,000 covid-19 deaths; meaning that covid-19 was the underlying cause of death. Yes, a few accidental deaths were mistakenly listed as covid deaths, but those errors were caught.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/blue_form.pdf
BTW, hospitals do not get paid extra for covid deaths.
Snobbish? Nah, Intel integrated graphics and 1366x768 screens are ill-suited for my computing needs.
He is the dumbest one here. It's important to remember that.
Congressman-elect Luke Letlow, a Republican, has died after being diagnosed with Covid-19, CNN confirmed Tuesday night.
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Congressman-elect Luke Letlow, husband of Julia and father to Jeremiah and Jacqueline , has passed away after a procedure related to Covid-19, CNN confirmed Tuesday night.
"The family appreciates the numerous prayers and support over the past days but asks for privacy during this difficult and unexpected time," the family said in a statement, according to the Monroe News-Star.
Fixed it for you.
"LSU Health Shreveport Chancellor G.E. Ghali said Letlow died from a heart attack following a procedure related to the infection."
Dude was 41 and had no underlying issues.
except a heart attackDude, seriously?
except a heart attack
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Congressman-elect Luke Letlow, husband of Julia and father to Jeremiah and Jacqueline , has passed away after a procedure related to Covid-19, CNN confirmed Tuesday night.
"The family appreciates the numerous prayers and support over the past days but asks for privacy during this difficult and unexpected time," the family said in a statement, according to the Monroe News-Star.
Fixed it for you.
Why are you brandishing facts at a Covid Truther?Good point.
Just say "fucking." Trust me.Ducking was a typo, or maybe autocorrect. I would never use such language intentionally.
Ducking was a typo, or maybe autocorrect. I would never use such language intentionally.Steve Jobs was such a prude
I just discovered that Rob Schneider is a Covidiot.
And you're thinking that name sounds familiar.
You photoshop that mask on?Did you get past the headline ?
https://www.deepsouthvoice.com/index.php/2020/12/30/luke-letlow-41-held-maskless-campaign-events-he-died-before-taking-his-seat-in-congress/amp
Did you get past the headline ?
"Earlier this week, I spoke at a LFBF meeting in Avoyelles. Agriculture is the backbone of #LA05 & I know the challenges we face and the policies we need to ensure that America can sustainably feed, house, & clothe both ourselves and the world."
— Luke Letlow (@LukeLetlow) November 12, 2020
I don't think I would put much faith in an article using a quote with a six week span from the LFBF meeting to his diagnosis.
1.8 million people have passed away, but let's make sure the political affiliation is mentioned when a Republican passes away and share it.
lol.
You posted about Letlow because he was a Republican.
Be you.
except a heart attack
He was a Republican tho. Let's make sure we get that out there. He had it coming, amirite ?
One of the nicest people I've met passed away from a blood clot resulting from a surgical procedure. He had no underlying conditions either.
I just discovered that Rob Schneider is a Covidiot.
And you're thinking that name sounds familiar.
lol.
You posted about Letlow because he was a Republican.
Be you.
Let’s be honest several posters here obviously get excited when someone who questions/flaunts COVID guidelines dies from COVID
It gives me a boner.
First, there's the schadenfreude. And then there's the realization that the world is a better place because they're dead.
Let’s be honest several posters here obviously get excited when someone who questions/flaunts COVID guidelines dies from COVIDIt’s less “excited” and more “hoping against all reasonable expectations that the idiots will learn something from this.”
It’s less “excited” and more “hoping against all reasonable expectations that the idiots will learn something from this.”
People who question and flaunt Covid guidelines don’t deserve to get Covid and/or die. But they do deserve it more than the people who do the things they are supposed to do to keep themselves and others safe.
Virginia state Sen. Ben Chafin Jr. has died after contracting Covid-19, according to a statement from his office. He was 60 years old.That sucks.
If I get hit by a meteor today I’ll also have died after contracting COVID-19.I’m sure that’s what the article meant by “died after contracting COVID.” He got COVID and then died trying to jump Springfield Gorge on a skateboard.
died trying to jump Springfield Gorge on a skateboard.It was the greatest feeling of his life.
(https://files.catbox.moe/rpg8fa.jpg)If you don’t understand why this makes perfect sense, then I say again: get out of Nevada, it’s rotting your fucking brain.
If you don’t understand why this makes perfect sense, then I say again: get out of Nevada, it’s rotting your fucking brain.
Apparently 642 Theys were vaccinated.I was too busy cherry picking the data to look at the 'theys'. lol.
Or take a tour of a COVID intensive care unit with frontline workers at a medical center in Reno, NV.
Coronavirus is so rampant in Reno, Nevada that this hospital turned its carpark into a COVID-19 ward
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-22/inside-renos-overflowing-coronavirus-hospital/13002874
Sobering…
So you decided to pile on ...
Access to medical care here has been an issue way before covid due to the massive influx of population (mostly elderly) over the last 20+ years and the acceleration recently hasn't helped, nor has covid.
Feel free to explainMinimizing the number of people you come in contact with minimizes spread. You can’t stay 6’ apart on a plane, but you can stand 6’ apart in the terminal, and the people you come into contact with in the terminal aren’t the same people on your plane. And even if they are, they might be in a different part of the plane from you and will never come into contact with you.
Access to medical care here has been an issue way before covid due to the massive influx of population (mostly elderly) over the last 20+ years and the acceleration recently hasn't helped, nor has covid.Wouldn’t this information cause a reasonable person to be MORE careful?
It’s so simple that being an idiot isn’t even a excuse for not understanding it. You have to be willfully shutting off part of your brain.This might be true of Old 97, but I think Judy is probably stupid enough.
This might be true of Old 97, but I think Judy is probably stupid enough.
Sounds like somebody is infatuated with me. You’ve got a complex and it’s hilarious. You always gotta act like you’re the smartest man in the room. It’s called little-dick syndrome. It’s ok, it’s the norm for most sexual predators like yourself.Note - You are responding to Rob McColley, not Donald Trump.
It's a cheap thrill. Great payout on a tiny investment.
Wouldn’t this information cause a reasonable person to be MORE careful?
You would think so but like gambling and drinking apparently social interaction is addicting
Ya ever notice how all the lockdown lovers on here don’t seem to have any friends or social lives anyways?
Murph, is Dr. Dre going to live? He's in ICU in LA.IANAD
IANAD
But you are our go to HQ2 member for all things Californian.NorCal
I spend a lot of time in California.me too
Not lately, of course.
What the hell, here's some SoCal
Rep. Michelle Steel, who opposed a mask mandate in OC and helped drive off the county health czar, tests positive for COVID-19
This is why you are our correspondent for all of California and Nevada.It's true I have the only meaningful information from either of those states
What the hell, here's some SoCal
Rep. Michelle Steel, who opposed a mask mandate in OC and helped drive off the county health czar, tests positive for COVID-19
Working in Indiana today and ended up needing to stay the night. Every restaurant parking lot was packed. Was taken to a hibachi grill by local work associates. Fortunately they had made reservations because others were waiting for seats. Aside from the employees wearing masks it felt just like old times. Food was ok.
I haven’t seen anyone in the scientific community say the vaccines will offer long-term immunity. The mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 work differently than many traditional viral vaccines and they have only been in use for a couple of months.
The pharmaceutical companies so far have been cautious about speculating on the durability of immune response elicited by mRNA vaccines.
We may need only one vaccination. We may need to get a vaccine every year. Or it may be somewhere in the middle, requiring regular shots every couple of years.
The jury is still out.
How long does COVID-19 vaccine immunity last?
https://www.zmescience.com/science/how-long-does-covid-19-vaccine-immunity-last-52352/
Of course. Let me try this another way.
Can a person who generally trusts vaccines have socially acceptable concerns about this vaccine?
I once went to a ... club? ... some kind of meeting place, in San Francisco (of course). where "open-minded people" could meet others. I was with an FWB. I don't think we ever intended to participate in anything, but were sort of curious as to what goes on in these places.
It was really depressing.
Did you see Murph and/or Bob "Hogan" Crane there?
What does it say about you that your celebrity take on swingers clubs is Bob Crane and not Seven of Nine
I’ve had it so yes according to the health department I shouldn’t have a high risk of contracting it again within three months. They’re mostly guessing, of course. Which is why I’m a little skeptical of the vaccine’s long term efficacy if actually having COVID only nets a seasonal immunity.
https://news.yahoo.com/dodger-stadiums-covid-19-vaccination-233339650.htmlWho let Boebert, MTG, RFK Jr and Jenny McCarthy into California?
Murph?
Remember, Chavez Ravine is a 39 hour bike ride from Tahoe.
(https://i.ibb.co/JFPpH2n/02517-E8-D-5-F62-468-B-8-CC3-5-BD5-AAE0-E261.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Tq50tRc)Even more true for the electric Hummer
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisonescalante/2020/09/08/why-speaking-english-may-spread-more-coronavirus-than-other-languages/?sh=128d7f6d6eeaIf this was true, every person in Germany would be dead right now. I’m not even sure their language has vowels.
If this was true, every person in Germany would be dead right now. I’m not even sure their language has vowels.
But I’m sure this is the reason we have more cases, not because we have a bunch of dipshits not wearing a mask because of their “personal freedom,” or because we have even bigger dipshits intentionally spreading misinformation about masks because they think they can use it as a political wedge issue.
Exactly.
It's the same reason we all have smallpox.
You’re being willfully ignorant.
You’re being willfully ignorant.Could be the smallpox.
Asymptomatic spread is not the main driver of a pandemic, it is extremely rare.Those fuckers coughing up a lung at Starbucks & Buca di Beppo.
The reason we have more cases is that no matter what you or the government attempts to do, stopping the spread of a common corona respiratory virus is futile. We can slow it down with some measures, but eventually everyone is going to be exposed to it, and most probably already have. Keeping viral loads low will reduce the number of severe infections but freaking out over healthy adults is not science. Asymptomatic spread is not the main driver of a pandemic, it is extremely rare.You know, it all sounds good until you realize that the vast majority of epidemiologists and virologists disagree with you.
We bitch like children when we’re asked to wear a mask for the good of humanity.
You know, it all sounds good until you realize that the vast majority of epidemiologists and virologists disagree with you.
This can be controlled a lot better than we are controlling it. We aren’t willing to do what is necessary. Our grandfathers and great grandfathers stormed the beaches at Normandy for the good of humanity. We bitch like children when we’re asked to wear a mask for the good of humanity.
Efuckingnuff already with the no one is wearing masks nonsense.I believe you can infer from Custard's anecdotal evidence that three locations in Illinois are a good representation of what's happening in Coeur d'Alene, Shreveport and Pensacola.
the shit travels on droplets (from symptomatic inflammation and swelling of cells) not air molecules.(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_cZC67wXUTs/hqdefault.jpg)
This is a flu virus not the friggin nazis lol,
Then you and the mouse in your pocket should quit bitching and wear your masks!
I’ve been to the north side of Chicago probably 30 times since lockdown ended and everyone was wearing masks. Any public establishment was very strict. I was in downtown Champaign Friday night at several establishments. Black Dog requires you to have a mask on when interacting with servers at your table. I was in a Walmart an hour south of Chicago yesterday and I saw but one person not wearing a mask the whole time I was in there. Efuckingnuff already with the no one is wearing masks nonsense.
Are you an Illini basketball bag man making the rounds?
I believe you can infer from Custard's anecdotal evidence that three locations in Illinois are a good representation of what's happening in Coeur d'Alene, Shreveport and Pensacola.
People are people, after all.
I’ve notice near universal mask usage in grocery stores and other retail businesses where I shop. That’s good, but the issue of transmission doesn’t stop with large public settings.
There’s evidence that small group gatherings are a growing source of viral spread. This includes family events and holiday celebrations where people are less likely to wear a mask and social distance. People also tend to spend more time together in small gatherings, which means more opportunity for exposure. Smaller rooms make social distancing difficult, if not impossible.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fauci-says-small-gatherings-driving-new-covid-outbreaks-worries-about-n1245159
Bars can also be a problem. We all know the mask is not 100% effective in stopping the spread of the virus. People tend to talk louder to hear one another in a bar. This can contribute to the production of more virus aerosols. Poor ventilation in bars can also increase risk as it may cause the virus to accumulate in the air. And like small family gatherings, exposure is prolonged in bars.
https://healthcare.utah.edu/healthfeed/postings/2020/11/aerosols.php
And then we still have some bars flouting mask mandates and other COVID safety protocols. Here’s a sampling of articles from Florida.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-bar-the-wharf-fort-lauderdale-closes-no-masks-social-distancing/
https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/12/07/some-south-florida-establishments-allowing-large-crowds-with-limited-social-distancing-mask-wearing/
https://www.wesh.com/article/downtown-orlando-ucf-bars-covid-non-compliance/34692783#
Are you an Illini basketball bag man making the rounds?
Then you and the mouse in your pocket should quit bitching and wear your masks!I never said nobody is wearing masks. Not enough people are wearing masks, and not enough people are doing what is right for humanity because they’re too goddamn selfish.
I’ve been to the north side of Chicago probably 30 times since lockdown ended and everyone was wearing masks. Any public establishment was very strict. I was in downtown Champaign Friday night at several establishments. Black Dog requires you to have a mask on when interacting with servers at your table. I was in a Walmart an hour south of Chicago yesterday and I saw but one person not wearing a mask the whole time I was in there. Efuckingnuff already with the no one is wearing masks nonsense.
We know. For the love of sweet baby Jesus, WE KNOW.Your continued fallacy is your belief that because I am not going to these gatherings, it means I am not affected by those who do.
Luckily no one is forcing you to go to bars, have small or large gatherings, or to even leave your home!
The WHO and CDC and Fauci and everyone have said that asomptomatic spread is not the main disease vector. Its basic fucking science. Virus infects a a person, they get all boogery n shit, and they cough, sneeze, whatever and it spreads... if you aren't showing or having any symptoms as a healthy person its difficult to spread something... the shit travels on droplets (from symptomatic inflammation and swelling of cells) not air molecules.You don’t know what you’re talking about. Boogers don’t spread anything. It spreads most efficiently by aerosol spread. You can’t spread by boogers unless you sneeze directly into someone’s nose.
As for your second comment, I wholeheartedly disagree. This is a flu virus not the friggin nazis lol, and everywhere I go people are complying with all these ridiculous rules and its doing jack fucking shit to stop the spread. The whole "we need to lock down harder" idea is completely insane as doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
I never said nobody is wearing masks. Not enough people are wearing masks, and not enough people are doing what is right for humanity because they’re too goddamn selfish.
I'd swear you just spent three lengthy paragraphs trying to explain science to Old 97.
But that would be insane. So I must have imagined it.
History of Economic Thought
thats a soft scienceIt's a liberal art.
I'd swear you just spent three lengthy paragraphs trying to explain science to Old 97.
But that would be insane. So I must have imagined it.
How many people do you encounter in Chicago on a daily basis that aren’t wearing masks or are getting in your space?It’s not just people I encounter. It’s photos people post on social media of maskless indoor parties they’re going to, or asking about what stores they can go to that don’t enforce mask requirements. It’s the people who still believe this is a hoax. It’s seeing the people who are wearing masks not covering their nose, or pulling their mask down to talk to people. It’s seeing neighbors having a ton of people over (again, no masks). I have relatives down south who didn’t even own a mask until September.
and yeah if we just let the government fuck us in the ass a little longer until we behave, I'm sure they will let us have our lives back... that has always been the case... lolI don’t understand this mindset. What do you imagine is the “endgame” of this conspiracy theory? What does the bogeyman (I mean government) get out of “taking our lives away?” What aspects of your life do you expect to not get back after this whole thing is under control?
Just got back from Kissimmee, Florida. 😷
I don’t understand this mindset. What do you imagine is the “endgame” of this conspiracy theory? What does the bogeyman (I mean government) get out of “taking our lives away?” What aspects of your life do you expect to not get back after this whole thing is under control?
I'm sure it's been said a thousand times, perhaps by me and maybe even in this thread:
The people complaining about freedoms are
- the same people who refuse to do their part
- the ones who think freedom is free
- the false equivalency proponents
You are all of these things.
It will never be under control to them... and I guess you haven't been outside much to see the devastation of small businesses, arts and entertainment, and the spreading poverty and mental illness in our young and old, from all of this. Must be nice.
Your continued fallacy is your belief that because I am not going to these gatherings, it means I am not affected by those who do.
Why do the MAGAts equate "supporting local businesses" with breathing, unfiltered, directly into other people's faces?
I will never apologize for caring about other people
It will never be under control to them... and I guess you haven't been outside much to see the devastation of small businesses, arts and entertainment, and the spreading poverty and mental illness in our young and old, from all of this. Must be nice.I’m aware of all those problems. All I hear from the right is “we have to open up,” and pointing out all these problems that shutdowns are causing. But when it comes to doing little things that could help control spread, too many of them refuse. Then they bitch when restrictions get put in place again. You can’t have it both ways. If you want to stay open, be responsible.
Hilarious. The past few days have been gold, Jerry! Gold!But he said he cared! And he listed a bunch of problems! Isn’t that enough, really?
Stereotypes and generalizations and tired tropes, oh my!I’ll take that over “We have to open up the economy, but I don’t understand why young, healthy people should have to take any precautions.”
This one is for 97. So about that “asymptomatic people don’t spread the virus” stuff: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774707?utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_term=010721
“In this base case, 59% of all transmission came from asymptomatic transmission, comprising 35% from presymptomatic individuals and 24% from individuals who never develop symptoms.”
This study was completed a month ago.
But he said he cared! And he listed a bunch of problems! Isn’t that enough, really?
Stereotypes and generalizations and tired tropes, oh my!
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.htmlThis is the nature of science when it is studying something new.
Can somebody explain why in the fuck we joined back up with the WHO?! They are currently and were all over the place on this the last year. Yet all we hear from the left is Trump this, and Trump that. It’s all his fault. :o
This is the nature of science when it is studying something new.
Science can be manipulated any way you want it.
Cool. I've been itching to fly.
#It’saHoax
#WillGoAwayinApril
#NoWorsethanSeasonalFlu
#OnlyOldPeopleNeedtoWorry
#WaitforHerd Immunity
#Casedemic!!!!
#TheyWereAlreadyGonnaDie
#NobodyWillBeTalkingAbouttheVirusAftertheElection
https://twitter.com/i/events/1356755358019014657?s=21Not inhaling the virus is a great way to avoid the virus.
Not sure if clown world or caronavirus
https://twitter.com/i/events/1356755358019014657?s=21
Not sure if clown world or caronavirus
Señor Aggressive: Bookmark that one in case we decide to do a Top Ten Stupidest Judy list.
https://twitter.com/i/events/1356755358019014657?s=21The Illuminati is obviously just trying to see how many masks they can get us to wear.
Not sure if clown world or caronavirus
https://twitter.com/i/events/1356755358019014657?s=21
Not sure if clown world or caronavirus
On a scale of 1-10 how furious are McLassie and Ditka with Tom Brady ?I’m sure if this was Cam Newton, the MAGA crowd would be flipping out about how irresponsible he is.
https://twitter.com/tombrady/status/1359624029649457162?s=21
I think Sam Ackerman is either illiniray or Alum74 ?
On a scale of 1-10 how furious are McLassie and Ditka with Tom Brady ?
https://twitter.com/tombrady/status/1359624029649457162?s=21
I think Sam Ackerman is either illiniray or Alum74 ?
Dude can't hold his liquor. Hilarious.
I'm sure he very rarely drinks
One more reason to not like him.
most extremely successful people don't drink a whole lotPure rot.
Pure rot.Trump isn't a drunk but plenty of other substances. But is he extremely successful? See also Jr
Thousands of extremely successful people are not just drunks, but McCokefiends (*sigh*), psychopaths and manic depressives.
Trump isn't a drunk but plenty of other substances. But is he extremely successful? See also JrNo, you're wrong. Only smart people use drugs.
I’d take two naps a day if I could.I've become a frequent sleeper during covid. Maybe I'd been trending that way for a while.
Most of the metro area, Boulder, Ft. Collins ( my home), and mountain ski towns are very consistent, conscientious and laid back. No one argues about protocols. Some of the more conservative counties are less so inclined. Thanks for bringing the snow and sun!
Biden hit 100k deaths in his first month in officeTrump inherits a booming economy and claims credit for it. Trump supporters cheer.
https://rumble.com/ve1i3t-imagine-if-they-followed-their-own-rules.html
Trump inherits a booming economy and claims credit for it. Trump supporters cheer.
Biden inherits peak coronavirus infections, Trump supporters blame him.
Logic checks out to me!
https://mises.org/wire/almost-year-later-theres-still-no-evidence-showing-governments-can-control-spread-covid-19
https://mises.org/wire/almost-year-later-theres-still-no-evidence-showing-governments-can-control-spread-covid-19India and China would say otherwise.
https://mises.org/wire/almost-year-later-theres-still-no-evidence-showing-governments-can-control-spread-covid-19
Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan and South Korea beg to differ.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/which-countries-have-responded-best-to-covid-19-11609516800
https://www.popsci.com/story/health/covid-19-flatten-curve-success/
Even the poor tiny nation of Bhutan did a better job.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/coronavirus-pandemic-bhutan/617976/
And what the heck is a “champion of Rothbardian libertarianism.” Sounds grim.
https://mises.org/wire/almost-year-later-theres-still-no-evidence-showing-governments-can-control-spread-covid-19
fascinating now take a look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_rate
I’m still fascinated by how Japan handled it.
(https://i.imgur.com/LUV15fS.png)Country takes severe measures that doctors say will prevent disease spread ——> Less disease spreads ——> Trumpers say “must be a deep state conspiracy.”
yeah I'm sure thats it
How many masks they wear over there?
Testing is just one piece of the puzzle in containing Covid-19. What you do before and after are equally important. Here's some areas where Japan did a better job than our country:
• Near universal masking
• Extensive contact-tracing, especially in the early phase of the pandemic
• Early, consistent public health warnings to avoid closed spaces, crowded places and close-contact settings (the “3Cs”)
• A cluster-based containment approach
• Strong collective action (i.e., lots of people who respect and care for each other) that led to voluntary compliance with the health warnings
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7688188/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7711542/
Country takes severe measures that doctors say will prevent disease spread ——> Less disease spreads ——> Trumpers say “must be a deep state conspiracy.”
covid is a disease that is apparently immune eh
covid is a disease that is apparently immune ehSome diseases are more contagious than others. Other than maybe measles, Covid is one of the most contagious diseases in existence.
I don’t think his thought process suddenly changed when he moved to Nevada he got out of Chicago because of his thought process
Well, that certainly can be taken 2 ways....which way did you mean?
Some diseases are more contagious than others. Other than maybe measles, Covid is one of the most contagious diseases in existence.
Seriously, this isn’t complicated. Nevada is rotting your brain.
I guess you don't find it suspicious at all that there have been .04% of the normal flu hospitalizations this year and that gap has been filled with covid hospitalizations...No, we don't find it suspicious. We find it obvious.
who's the retard again?
No, we don't find it suspicious. We find it obvious.
Perhaps in the way that he lives in a dumpster fire now.
I mean seriously, there is nothing that has been said about Reno that hasn't already been said about District 12, except for the casinos.
I guess you don't find it suspicious at all that there have been .04% of the normal flu hospitalizations this year and that gap has been filled with covid hospitalizations...No, it’s exactly what should happen. Covid is many times more infectious than the flu. We take drastic measures to prevent Covid spread, which almost completely knocks out the much less contagious flu.
who's the retard again?
Murph and MD live in two of the most politically liberal/COVID restrictive areas in the entire country.Nobody is behaving as though Covid never happened. Lots of people aren’t doing enough, but there are very few people (especially old people, who make up the vast majority of flu hospitalizations) who are doing nothing.
Both of them blame red states (and rednecks) for perpetuating the pandemic by not wearing masks and socially distancing.
Both of them believe the flu is basically non-existent because everyone is wearing masks and socially distancing.
Large swaths of the country continue to live as if COVID never happened.
It doesn’t add up.
Murph and MD live in two of the most politically liberal/COVID restrictive areas in the entire country.
Both of them blame red states (and rednecks) for perpetuating the pandemic by not wearing masks and socially distancing.
Both of them believe the flu is basically non-existent because everyone is wearing masks and socially distancing.
Large swaths of the country continue to live as if COVID never happened.
It doesn’t add up.
Nobody is behaving as though Covid never happened. Lots of people aren’t doing enough, but there are very few people (especially old people, who make up the vast majority of flu hospitalizations) who are doing nothing.
EDIT: and behavior modifications are being forced on people, even in red states. Most employers have mask mandates. Can’t go into Wal-Mart or Target or Publix without a mask. Movie theaters and gyms (if they are operating) have strict rules. Etc.
the two maskless people I saw in a Walmart in northern IL were very attractive young women.Rite of spring.
Yet incredibly a month and a half ago the Bay Area was in a major surge and the ICU availability was 0.7%. Was this universal dutiful behavior you describe part of the response to that major surge? What were people doing leading up the surge? Holiday parties perhaps?
I’m starting to see more and more people in more and more places without masks the past couple weeks. Including Walmart, other grocers, a post office today where no one except me had a mask on, and especially convenient stores. This has been observed in various parts of Illinois and Indiana. I found it interesting that the two maskless people I saw in a Walmart in northern IL were very attractive young women. Not really the stereotype.It apparently doesn’t take that much social distancing to stop the spread of the flu.
And I don’t know if you missed it or not but I posted a couple weeks ago about being in southern Indiana and the restaurants and bars being clear full and live music etc. From what I gather children under a certain age don’t even have to wear masks in most places in Indiana except in school.
There are also places that have strict rules.
No, it’s exactly what should happen. Covid is many times more infectious than the flu. We take drastic measures to prevent Covid spread, which almost completely knocks out the much less contagious flu.
I don’t understand. You’re clearly not an idiot. How is this so difficult for you to understand?
It apparently doesn’t take that much social distancing to stop the spread of the flu.
What’s the alternative, that medical professionals are lying and calling flu cases “Covid”? Why would anyone think they would do this? And why would anyone think there wouldn’t be 1000 whistleblowers in that situation?
I don’t think his thought process suddenly changed when he moved to Nevada he got out of Chicago because of his thought processNo, I don’t think the thought process has to change. If you are not surrounded by diverse opinions, it’s easy to go off the deep end. Hence “Nevada is rotting your brain.”
No, I don’t think the thought process has to change. If you are not surrounded by diverse opinions, it’s easy to go off the deep end. Hence “Nevada is rotting your brain.”
https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-cases-deaths-starting-124906554.html
Claims cases and deaths are back on the upswing. Either statistical noise or a fourth wave?
You need to research exactly what the results of a PCR test provideIf I’m so close, then help me out. Imagine that you are me, someone who doesn’t harbor the delusion that I, with just a little bit of internet research, can uncover a huge flaw in the national medical diagnostic system that is eluding brilliant people who dedicate their lives to studying disease. Someone who believes that if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, it’s a duck, and not a cat paid by George Soros.
I guess i need to go back to diverse 90% liberal chicago 😂IDK, in my office, it’s pretty close to 50/50.
The irony of your statement is pretty fucking funny tbh
I’d like to know more about the PCR test thing 97 is alluding to.The best I can find is some dude named Knut Wittkowski, a mathematician and medical statistician masquerading as someone with specialized medical knowledge, who says that people with the flu are being incorrectly counted as “presumed Covid.” https://summit.news/2021/01/05/epidemiologist-says-influenza-cases-are-being-counted-as-covid-19/
Hopefully it’s a reporting issue. From the COVID Tracking Project:
“Many data-watchers are understandably concerned about the recent uptick in national reported cases. A closer look at the national figures shows simultaneous wobbles in tests, cases, and deaths—a clue that this is likely a reporting issue, not a turnaround.”
“Current hospitalizations—always our most stable metric during reporting disruptions—are also continuing to drop.”
“As we noted in yesterday’s weekly update, we think the likeliest cause of some or all of this data wiggle is the combination of President’s Day reporting disruptions and the massive winter storms in mid-February.”
https://twitter.com/COVID19Tracking/status/1365466737471156226
None of this means we should be complacent – we need more vaccinations and should continue to follow public safety guidelines.
I’d like to know more about the PCR test thing 97 is alluding to.
I'll go out on a limb and say it is not all that he claims it is....The PCR test detects Covid RNA. In other words, it detects whether you have Covid viruses at the test location. The false positive rate is pretty much zero.
The PCR test detects Covid RNA. In other words, it detects whether you have Covid viruses at the test location. The false positive rate is pretty much zero.
The only way a positive PCR test can be a misdiagnosed flu case is if the patient has both Covid and the flu.
It detects both minute quantities of active and inactive RNAThe only relevant info in this article is that a PCR test could show a positive result for up to 10 or so days after the Covid virus becomes inactive.
The PCR test alone cannot answer the difference.
you can read more here https://www.cebm.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/PCRtestREFERENCE_Infectivity2020Nov5.pdf
https://twitter.com/i/events/1366842391299117056?s=21But is the power working and the water drinkable?
Yet incredibly a month and a half ago the Bay Area was in a major surge and the ICU availability was 0.7%. Was this universal dutiful behavior you describe part of the response to that major surge? What were people doing leading up the surge? Holiday parties perhaps?San Francisco 7 day average for cases - 6/100k
Whittling away at the Covid relief bill that has little to do with Covid.
First it was the $15 minimum wage,
Now It's Pelosi's train.
Take another $1 trillion out, and the bill would be about Covid relief. And with the vaccines doing their part, maybe the Covid relief bill could actually be about Covid relief.
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Whittling away at the Covid relief bill that has little to do with Covid.They definitely need to cut a lot of shit in this bill, and $15 minimum wage is just not happening.
First it was the $15 minimum wage,
Now It's Pelosi's train.
Take another $1 trillion out, and the bill would be about Covid relief. And with the vaccines doing their part, maybe the Covid relief bill could actually be about Covid relief.
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Whittling away at the Covid relief bill that has little to do with Covid.
First it was the $15 minimum wage,
Now It's Pelosi's train.
Take another $1 trillion out, and the bill would be about Covid relief. And with the vaccines doing their part, maybe the Covid relief bill could actually be about Covid relief.
(https://i.ibb.co/HHNqhY5/Screenshot-20210303-074446.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0GBrsZH)
They definitely need to cut a lot of shit in this bill, and $15 minimum wage is just not happening.The irony being that if we raised the minimum wage to $15, those workers would no longer qualify for some federal programs, food stamps/medicare/etc... saving the federal government money.
Whittling away at the Covid relief bill that has little to do with Covid.
First it was the $15 minimum wage,
Now It's Pelosi's train.
Take another $1 trillion out, and the bill would be about Covid relief. And with the vaccines doing their part, maybe the Covid relief bill could actually be about Covid relief.
(https://i.ibb.co/HHNqhY5/Screenshot-20210303-074446.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0GBrsZH)
This one from a guy I've worked with on various advocacy projects
https://twitter.com/acnetj/status/1367020804324556801
So I ask....why would Pelosi and Democrats want it in there then?! 🤔
I'll break character and respond to the troll account because this isn't actually a dumb question.
Transportation doesn't seem to pick and choose between parties when it comes to stupidity. In the end, the car rules all. Sanders can get up there and say that we need to stop the greedy corporations from emitting so much greenhouse gases, but the only reason Exxon is responsible for greenhouse gases is because consumers buy gasoline that they then burn in their cars. And the "Progressives" are worse on that issue than the "Conservatives". The "Conservatives" want rich people to be able to drive around everywhere. The "Progressives" want equality and want everyone to be able to drive around everywhere.
But yeah, we gotta put in some trains, right? Mass transit! But there is a huge disconnect between the people who have the power who advocate for projects (in this case the Silicon Valley Leadership Group), and the actual users who would use said projects. So the power brokers look at a map and draw a line and say "yeah, we gotta have a train there for that usage!" - like it's have a stop near the Shark Tank for 41 games a year that end at 11 PM so nobody wants to hop on a train that late and there is no traffic at that time, instead of going to an office park people go to daily.
Then we get into the "Jerbs!" thing.
It's a constant push/pull between "The Conservatives" who want to build nothing, and "The Progressives" who often want to build the wrong thing.
It's easier to convince "The Progressives" to build the right thing than it is to get "The Conservatives" to build anything, so there you go.
Footnote: Entirely possible the reason this was in the COVID bill was so that the Republicans could have a victory by killing something that could be tied to Pelosi, so they can vote for it after declaring VICTORY! FREEDOM! And if that's true, it's 50/50 whether is was some masterful chess move by Pelosi who fooled the Republicans, or that McCarthy and Pelosi met, decided upon something she would put in and the Repubicans would kill, and we are all just pawns in their game.
You do see how stupid all this sounds and how needless it is to throw something like that in there, correct? And Conservatives just wanna be left the fuck alone and quit letting the government control everything. That doesn’t sound too fucking extreme does it?! Do we really need the government in every fucking aspect of our fucking lives?! All they does is fuck everything up.
Does that mean we can stop paving the roads in "Conservative" areas? Leaving them alone?
Quite the strawman. I think we’d be just fine here paving our own honestly, but give me some of my tax money back that’s wasted on all this mismanaged stupid shit by politicians.
If you wanna play that game, does “my body, my choice” only apply to killing babies, but not masks too?!
Or the “me too” movement only believed and apply to Conservatives? If Cuomo’s last name was Trump, the House would’ve already “impeached” him 😂
Bullshit.
The trope is basically - I want the Government to stop funding anything that I can't personally find a direct connection to personal benefit, everything else is complete waste. When pointed out you call it a strawman - but it's the entire argument.
It's created a disastrous side effect seen exactly in this case, while I think this particular segment of train line is not of strategic value, if I fight the project then your ilk will use that as a trope to argue that trains in general are bad, which is not true. It creates a catch 22 where it's a bad idea to oppose something that is narrowly not of value, otherwise you'll open yourself up to needing to defend all ideas in that spectrum. So we build a lot of bad projects lest we endanger good ones.
And chances are, you couldn't afford to pave your own roads.
Is Judy a papist? That would explain a lot.
Judy, are you a papist?
my tax money
Does that mean we can stop paving the roads in "Conservative" areas? Leaving them alone?
We need to lose the term "taxpayer's" money. Do insurance companies call the premiums they collect "policy holder's money"? Does Com-Ed call their revenue "customer's money"? Granted, there is a difference. I could decline to pay my utility bills and just freeze to death. At least I would not go to jail.
Still, tax revenue collected by the government becomes the government's money. Besides, in 2019, less than 80% of the budget was funded by tax revenue. 2020 is much worse -- 50%?
Also, withdraw public funding from their buses, trains, schools, medical facilities, law enforcement, fire departments, utilities, parks, ...
We need to lose the term "taxpayer's" money. Do insurance companies call the premiums they collect "policy holder's money"? Does Com-Ed call their revenue "customer's money"? Granted, there is a difference. I could decline to pay my utility bills and just freeze to death. At least I would not go to jail.
Still, tax revenue collected by the government becomes the government's money. Besides, in 2019, less than 80% of the budget was funded by tax revenue. 2020 is much worse -- 50%?
Of course you’re gonna play dumb and go to extremes. Much like the Progressives. The government has integrated itself into way too much of our lives. They need to take a step back. But honestly, the agenda of the Progressives is to literally control every aspect of your life and make you dependent on them for everything. It’s a power and control thing.
Actually, it is socialists that go to the extreme of centralizing and collectivizing everything.
I personally support a middle way; a mixed economy. That means free markets in sectors where free markets work and central planning for sectors where that works. Five areas -- education, healthcare, transportation, public safety, and public utilities -- call for at least some central planning. Maybe count environmental conservation as a separate 6th area.
We’re not that far off from each other.He's smarter than you are, though.
He's smarter than you are, though.
So I ask....why would Pelosi and Democrats want it in there then?! 🤔This is why it's in there.
This is why it's in there.
The Dems will use a Republican "no" vote to present the argument that the Republican has absolutely no interest in putting $1400 in your pocket, or helping small businesses blah, blah, blah.
Any Democrat voting "no" understands that they will be primaried heavily by Pelosi or Schumer in that person's next election.
"The House narrowly approved" .......
lol.
And constituents can read pronouncements like this, instead of being informed about Pelosi's train, Schumers bridge, or the other 90% of the bill not related to the "Covid relief bill".
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Senate version eliminated the NY to Canda bridge and the south of SF mass transit that Trump supported. All 50 Repubs still oppose, but Murkowski is wavering. Repubs now trying to slow it down with procedural tactics. Hope to delay it past expiration of unemployment etc and then blame Dems.
My plan is to take my $1400 and get 2 girls at the same time.
That's a stimulus. Stimulates the fuck out of me.
Pure rot.
Thousands of extremely successful people are not just drunks, but McCokefiends (*sigh*), psychopaths and manic depressives.
Senate version eliminated the NY to Canda bridge and the south of SF mass transit that Trump supported. All 50 Repubs still oppose, but Murkowski is wavering. Repubs now trying to slow it down with procedural tactics. Hope to delay it past expiration of unemployment etc and then blame Dems.mass transit "south of SF" - a city of 800,000, instead of "in San Jose", a city of 1.3 million
And from what I've read .. .
The parliamentarian is a non-partisan position, and that person determined that the train and the bridge funding are not eligible legislation for bills passed via reconciliation.
They need to go thru the regular 60 vote for passage process.
Repubs were calling it Pelosi's train and Schumer's bridge. Even though Trump supported both.Trump probably had no idea what either of them were. But it's Ro Khanna's train and Stefanik's bridge
Some Long Haul COVID Patients Are Feeling Better After Vaccination
“Some people who've been laid low for months by so-called ‘long haul’ symptoms after a coronavirus infection say that within days of getting their COVID-19 vaccine, those symptoms nearly disappeared.”
“Speaking with The New York Times, Bridget Hayward, a 51-year-old operating room nurse in Alexandria, Va., said that for nearly a year after first becoming infected with SARS-CoV-2, she's had a slew of devastating symptoms. They've included persistent body aches, fatigue, a feeling of being hot even in cool weather, and a ‘brain fog’ that rendered remembering even simple words difficult.”
"’It was horrifying," she told the newspaper. ‘It was awful thinking it may never get better, like 'Is this my new normal, am I now damaged this way?'"
“But then, just one day after her first dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, everything changed.”
"’It was like, click, everything is fine,’ she said. Her body temperature has normalized and ‘it felt like a darkness lifted.’"
“Anecdotal cases like this are popping up around the United States, elating patients and puzzling most experts.”
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-03-17/some-long-haul-covid-patients-are-feeling-better-after-vaccination
Fingers crossed that this will be more than anecdote/wishful thinking.
its almost like she got cured of her media induced anxiety once she got the vaccine...
its almost like she got cured of her media induced anxiety once she got the vaccine...
Don't think that's how vaccines work, but good for her
its almost like she got cured of her media induced anxiety once she got the vaccine...
Here’s a little more context:
“Experts have indeed proposed the idea of a prospective study to see the impact of the vaccine on long-haulers. Akiko Iwasaki, PhD, of Yale University, tweeted that such a trial may be difficult, but is worth considering, given that it could potentially confirm vaccination as a therapy for long COVID.”
“In June, Iwasaki proposed three potential mechanisms for long COVID: a persistent viral reservoir; viral fragments or remnants that drive inflammation; or an autoimmune response induced by the infection. Many papers have since provided support for all three theories, she said, noting that they're not mutually exclusive.”
“It could be that vaccine-induced T-cell and antibody responses can eliminate the viral reservoir or the viral fragments/remnants, or that the vaccine somehow diverts autoimmune cells, she tweeted.”
“Vaccines could also help by stimulating the innate immune response, she said. That transient inflammation may divert leukocytes causing long COVID. But if that is indeed the case, she warned, any benefit from vaccines wouldn't be sustained long-term.”
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/91476
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"any benefit from vaccines wouldn't be sustained long-term.”
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"any benefit from vaccines wouldn't be sustained long-term.”
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/18/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html
WTF people? Can we please get over this already?
Health officials have repeatedly warned about a potential fourth surge as state leaders eased restrictions and several lifted mask mandates. The first warning sign came when case numbers, after weeks of steep declines, appeared to level off -- with the country still averaging tens of thousands of new cases daily. That kind of plateau previously predicted surges, some experts have said.
The tragedy of long COVID
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-tragedy-of-the-post-covid-long-haulers-2020101521173
For someone to essentially say there's little reason for a long haul individual to hope for resolution as a result of the vaccine just comes across as irresponsible.
"Long covid" = anxiety
Thats it, now give me the fucking Nobel prize in medicine already you dumb cunts
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
-- Mark Twain
shut up you fuckin propaganda bot
We don't know if, or how often, boosters will be recommended. I assume they will be, maybe similar to annual flu vaccinations.
Glad to see guys like Murph, Alum, nichi, Rob, MD, et al get their just rewards.
https://www.theonion.com/cdc-places-star-stickers-on-bulletin-board-next-to-name-1846536447
Glad to see guys like Murph, Alum, nichi, Rob, MD, et al get their just rewards.I mean, it’s a funny piece, but if anyone thinks anyone else is being cautious for any reason other than stopping spread of the disease, I’d call that person a fucking sociopath.
https://www.theonion.com/cdc-places-star-stickers-on-bulletin-board-next-to-name-1846536447
I mean, it’s a funny piece, but if anyone thinks anyone else is being cautious for any reason other than stopping spread of the disease, I’d call that person a fucking sociopath.
I mean, it’s a funny piece, but if anyone thinks anyone else is being cautious for any reason other than stopping spread of the disease, I’d call that person a fucking sociopath.well, also the potential for serious illness and even death, but yeah
golds!I never thought I’d get a gold star for understanding basic science and math, but I guess this is America in 2021.
well, also the potential for serious illness and even death, but yeah
such is the risk of being aliveWell then go jump off a cliff.
Well then go jump off a cliff.Second.
well, also the potential for serious illness and even death, but yeah
such is the risk of being aliveOnce again, basic math. Risk is a quantitative concept.
Covid has not killed 300,000 this year.
Once again, basic math. Risk is a quantitative concept.
and if you're under 70 the risk of dying of covid is extremely lowPlay Russian roulette tonight. Let me know how many games you win.
I believe the CDC has said deaths due to Covid is about 6%. The other 94% include Covid with co-morbidities. Some of the co-morbidities the CDC includes are terminal cancer, heart failure, strokes, and more. Covid didn't necessarily have an impact on the outcome of some of the deaths, so the death was a death with Covid rather than due to Covid.Under your definition, cancer kills approximately zero people per year then.
Assuming the 300,000 Dec total is correct, 6% is 18,000. Covid probably won't hasten a terminal cancer death, but may hasten a heart failure death.
300,000 deaths is still 300,000, but the original death estimates were possibly over 2 million. Hopefully, things are going to continue to improve.
What kind of cancer do you wish upon Old 97?
I've been thinking about it for a while now, and I've determined that something like the Roger Ebert cancer would be fitting.
First, it would shut him up. Second, he wouldn't be able to enjoy food or drink. Third, he'd look weird, and kids would stare at him.
Under your definition, cancer kills approximately zero people per year then.My Mom's death certificate is cancer. My wife's parents are cancer.
Play Russian roulette tonight. Let me know how many games you win.
What kind of cancer do you wish upon Old 97?
I've been thinking about it for a while now, and I've determined that something like the Roger Ebert cancer would be fitting.
First, it would shut him up. Second, he wouldn't be able to enjoy food or drink. Third, he'd look weird, and kids would stare at him.
more witty stuff from the tolerant leftists of the board.... can't stand this meme format but the message is good
(https://i.redd.it/qsmaho8md8k61.jpg)
No surprise there. You don't understand most things.
I believe the CDC has said deaths due to Covid is about 6%. The other 94% include Covid with co-morbidities. Some of the co-morbidities the CDC includes are terminal cancer, heart failure, strokes, and more. Covid didn't necessarily have an impact on the outcome of some of the deaths, so the death was a death with Covid rather than due to Covid.
Assuming the 300,000 Dec total is correct, 6% is 18,000. Covid probably won't hasten a terminal cancer death, but may hasten a heart failure death.
300,000 deaths is still 300,000, but the original death estimates were possibly over 2 million. Hopefully, things are going to continue to improve.
Reread it. It makes complete sense. Tell me where it’s wrong🤷🏻♂️"Freedoms."
This word soup doesn't explain how pre-covid our Emergency Rooms were functional and during covid they have been an overcrowded shit show.
"Freedoms."
This word soup doesn't explain how pre-covid our Emergency Rooms were functional and during covid they have been an overcrowded shit show.
Under your definition, cancer kills approximately zero people per year then.
My Mom's death certificate is cancer. My wife's parents are cancer.Sorry if I misunderstood, but there are a LOT of people out there who are claiming that people who die from things like heart failure or organ failure when they had severe Covid didn’t actually die from Covid. Glad to see you’re not doing that.
My Dad's death certificate is pneumonia. Cancer killed him, but pneumonia set in from essentially being bed ridden as a result of the cancer.
This was before Covid. If they would have had Covid when they passed away, then Covid would have also been listed on the death certificates.
Cancer was the cause of death. I spent plenty of time with all 4 before and til the time of death.
There is a difference between dying due to Covid and dying with Covid.
In no way am I trying to imply that Covid is not a serious concern.
Please elaborate....What "Freedoms" are involved?
What "Freedoms" are involved?
Wearing masks, shutting down businesses (just ones they choose though), and forced to stay in the house...basically martial law🤷🏻♂️
Wearing masks, shutting down businesses (just ones they choose though), and forced to stay in the house...basically martial law🤷🏻♂️I have yet to hear an explanation of why being forced to wear a mask infringes on someone’s “freedoms” that doesn’t make that person sound like an absolute pathetic weakling.
TY.I’ve heard nothing from any reputable source that would indicate that a significant percentage of Covid deaths are “dying with Covid” instead of “Dying because of Covid”.
We're getting there. I think Ray understands also when he says 'many' have co-morbidities as opposed to saying 'all'.
Out of the 550,00 or so deaths currently, I've seen nothing to indicate a guess on the percent with Covid being a contributing factor.
My father in law's death certificate from 2018 lists only lung cancer as the cause of death. If he would have had asymptomatic Covid at the time of death, he would have been included in the Covid death numbers even if Covid had no impact on his health.
550000 is still 550000, but dying with Covid is not the same as dying because of having Covid.
Wearing masks, shutting down businesses (just ones they choose though), and forced to stay in the house...basically martial law🤷🏻♂️
What "Freedoms" are involved?
I’ve heard nothing from any reputable source that would indicate that a significant percentage of Covid deaths are “dying with Covid” instead of “Dying because of Covid”.I would guess the percentage is relatively small.
C'mon, you've had the benefit(?) of a law school education at the UofI CoL, while JJ is probably not a member of a state bar. So if you're asking him to elaborate on potential 1st Amendment, EP/DP, or Takings Clause issues, is that really fair?
C'mon, you've had the benefit(?) of a law school education at the UofI CoL, while JJ is probably not a member of a state bar. So if you're asking him to elaborate on potential 1st Amendment, EP/DP, or Takings Clause issues, is that really fair?
An attentive high school student should know these things, assuming high schools are still teaching civics along with STEM and Non-Binary Wokeness.
Perhaps. Have you ever watched, "Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader?". At one point in my life I probably knew/had learned the correct answers to most (if not all) of the questions asked on that show; however, decades later some things have been forgotten or are a bit hazy. Same holds true for things taught/learned during high school.
Sadly, though, there are elected & appointed officials in Washington, D.C. who are clueless when it comes to our Constitution and how the courts have interpreted its provisions over the years.
It is a fact that Traitor Judy didn't even go to illinois. His daughter probably.isn't even his either.
C'mon, you've had the benefit(?) of a law school education at the UofI CoL, while JJ is probably not a member of a state bar. So if you're asking him to elaborate on potential 1st Amendment, EP/DP, or Takings Clause issues, is that really fair?
If there's a traitor associated with Illinois, it was former UofI alum and ex-GE CEO Jack(off) Welch. That lying, cheating, number manipulating, transparency avoiding worthless POS cost GE investors billions; who knows how many employees lost their jobs as a result of the company cutting costs in ongoing attempts to hide fraudulent accounting (while maintaining C suite bonuses). But I digress.
I'll ignore the concept of inducement and innuendo. A person can vigorously support University of Illinois athletic programs even if he/she didn't graduate (or attend) the school; the two are not mutually exclusive -- some might even say there's an inverse relationship. Sorry, because of Covid-19 protocols, no Venn diagram or XY graph is available. From what I've experienced over the years while attending Illinois football games, overall support for the program usually ranges from lukewarm to indifferent to downright embarrassing. The reality is Illinois' football program can use all the fans it can get -- an additional 20K attending home games would be a good start. Even the sh*t show Nebraska football has put on during the past @20 years (relative to the Devaney & Osborne years) hasn't stopped the consecutive sell-out streak for home games -- and that university has a considerably bigger stadium (90K vs 61K) and much smaller alumni base/student/in-state population compared with the UofI.
Finally, I don't understand why you persist in attacking non-participant family members of another poster. Completely uncalled for and a Trump-like (or Weber-esque, if you prefer) move. IMO, negative comments about non-participant family members reflect poorly upon the writer and could detract from salient points made in other posts. That being said, on this forum lambasting a poster for advocating a stupid and/or demonstrably false position is de rigueur. Or, if that isn't enough, perhaps take a page out of the playbook of former ESPN SportsCenter anchor Keith Olbermann and napalm (figuratively, of course) the offending post & its author.
Cant disageee. PAThey/Them mentioning JJ’s kid repeatedly even makes me uncomfortable
Most people as smart & educated as McLassie contrubute more to society than eating dumpster food, running illiniboard lite and trying to embarrass message board posters with sick burns
Ask him how that law degree is paying off😂
Cant disageee. PAThey/Them mentioning JJ’s kid repeatedly even makes me uncomfortable
Anyone watching this 60 Minutes about the Rona?
Anyone watching this 60 Minutes about the Rona?
Not like there is a history of coronaviruses originating in China, regardless of from a lab or not.
While dumpster diving might not be something most people would ordinarily undertake, to each their own.
Originating on planet Earth. Is FOX news going to start investigating which secret lab the Bubonic plague escaped from?
Ok.....but, we have had 2 SARS viruses, in the last 15 years, that can be traced to China? There is also the theory that the "Spanish Flu" was a SARS virus that also came through China via food workers in WWI. Fact is those guys like to eat bats and crap like that and that appears where this all originates, as Mn's post above discusses. So don't give us this Earth shit when we all know those backwards ass jags running China refuse to apply modern, standard food health policies to prevent this shit from happening.
Now, that does not mean that The COVID was developed in a lab. I thought there were studies said that as this was "novel," it did not appear to be bioengineered. I'm sure Alum has an article at the ready to educate all of us. Could this have been studied in the lab, as Mn's post notes, and it escaped? Sure. Why not?
If we are going to hold to this standard, are we going to put the US on trial for inventing the Auto and Airplane, and the resultant climate change that happened as a result?Can we at least put Exxon on trial?
Is Murph suggesting the automobile was invented in America?Are you saying that much like COVID - the auto was invented elsewhere, just popularized here?
If we are going to hold to this standard, are we going to put the US on trial for inventing the Auto and Airplane, and the resultant climate change that happened as a result?
And I have a hard time getting angry at China when this happens...
Dr. Sanjay Gupta
@drsanjaygupta
If you’re just tuning in, Dr. Fauci admitted having to ‘directly contradict’ President Trump on Covid-19, Dr. Redfield told me he was pressured to change a CDC report, and Dr. Birx said she was not able to speak frankly about the pandemic nationally. #COVIDWAR
If we are going to hold to this standard, are we going to put the US on trial for inventing the Auto and Airplane, and the resultant climate change that happened as a result?
Can we at least put Exxon on trial?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/
If we are going to hold to this standard, are we going to put the US on trial for inventing the Auto and Airplane, and the resultant climate change that happened as a result?
How ridiculous. Yes, inventing cars and airplanes is the same as the Commies allowing food practices that allow SARS events to flourish. Maybe we can send those dumbasses copies of The Jungle. I now understand Tempo's "the dumb" concept from the Underwood thread.
All while this guy is making excuses and sympathetic towards a communist regime that basically tried to eradicate most of the world due to their “error” that they won’t take responsibility for. And you’re talking about the automobile and airplanes.
Watch Dr Birx' interview. If the Commies killed 100k Americans, Americans have killed 450k since because of dumb hygiene practices.
If the Commies allowed COVID to start, it was the Americans and Brazilians who allowed it to flourish. The commies put a lid on it in Wuhan
holy shit, print this, frame this and put it in a museum as the "worst take of all time"
holy fucking shit man, wow you're dumb
Watch Dr Birx' interview. If the Commies killed 100k Americans, Americans have killed 450k since because of dumb hygiene practices.
If the Commies allowed COVID to start, it was the Americans and Brazilians who allowed it to flourish. The commies put a lid on it in Wuhan
...off the bat.
The next virus might do it.
It's not something you want to try right off the bat.
Things may get out of hand.
Birx: 'don't blame me.'
It is a Judge Judy replacement level post.
First, there were a few reports out there that the Commie bastards were severely undercounting deaths publicly based on the number of cremation urns seen at the local facilities. Second, the Commies bastards "put a lid on it" by taking away whatever freedoms their populace had (with the help of you tech scumbags in Silicon Valley). Third, we would not even be in this position if those fucks followed proper; i.e., MODERN, food sanitary guidelines. But hey, we have to respect "cultural differences" like feet binding and genital mutilation, right?I suppose Blinkin, winking, or nod could have brought the virus origination up with the Commies. But no, human rights seemed like a good diversion.
I hear they're nice people tho.
Pun intended?The thought did cross my mind.
The thought did cross my mind.
It would be a real fucking good idea to find out how the fuck this happened before it fucking happens again.
Some people may have known for years what was going on, but the US funding of an accident waiting to happen isn't good.
Easy to beat in the trade war too, so I hear.Steal US technology. Make it cheap. Sell it back to us cheaper than we can make it. Breaks. Buy a replacement from them.
First, there were a few reports out there that the Commie bastards were severely undercounting deaths publicly based on the number of cremation urns seen at the local facilities. Second, the Commies bastards "put a lid on it" by taking away whatever freedoms their populace had (with the help of you tech scumbags in Silicon Valley). Third, we would not even be in this position if those fucks followed proper; i.e., MODERN, food sanitary guidelines. But hey, we have to respect "cultural differences" like feet binding and genital mutilation, right?
First, there were a few reports out there that the Commie bastards were severely undercounting deaths publicly based on the number of cremation urns seen at the local facilities. Second, the Commies bastards "put a lid on it" by taking away whatever freedoms their populace had (with the help of you tech scumbags in Silicon Valley). Third, we would not even be in this position if those fucks followed proper; i.e., MODERN, food sanitary guidelines. But hey, we have to respect "cultural differences" like feet binding and genital mutilation, right?
I suppose Blinkin, winking, or nod could have brought the virus origination up with the Commies. But no, human rights seemed like a good diversion.
First, there were a few reports out there that the Commie bastards were severely undercounting deaths publicly based on the number of cremation urns seen at the local facilities. Second, the Commies bastards "put a lid on it" by taking away whatever freedoms their populace had (with the help of you tech scumbags in Silicon Valley). Third, we would not even be in this position if those fucks followed proper; i.e., MODERN, food sanitary guidelines. But hey, we have to respect "cultural differences" like feet binding and genital mutilation, right?
By this measure, we can just disband our military because if someone invades us, it's their fault for being assholes.
This freedom stuff still baffles me, people get pissy that masks are "taking away their freedom" (even when insisted upon by the private business they are entering) - meanwhile we actually issue very costly tickets for not wearing a seat belt, more expensive ones for not putting your child in a car seat, leaving your dog in a car on a hot day, etc...
We don't let people walk around naked, we require restaurants to be inspected by health inspectors, building contractors are required to meet code via inspection.
Hell, your whole premise here is ironic - the commies took away the people of China's freedom to cap the pandemic, they shouldn't do that, but they should be taking away their freedom to buy, sell, and eat bats.
Man, you are full of bad takes to protect your economic interests. It is not ironic. They do not have anywhere close the personal freedoms we have and you know it, but you are making too much money helping them keep their people in check that you don't care.You're a straw man machine today
Wouldn't it be nice if they had health inspectors? How about fine, eat bats, but you need to have the bats inspected. Not that tough, as we do that here. But, it appears to get in the way of surveillance and making cheap crap for the world to buy using slave labor.
I'm really trying to figure out what your end game is here anyway? What is the theory, that we should write them a ticket for a health code violation? Yell at them on TV? Trump yelled at them for four years, what did that get us?
You're a straw man machine today
Steal US technology. Make it cheap. Sell it back to us cheaper than we can make it. Breaks. Buy a replacement from them.
This approach would require food vendors to be educated about public health and food safety standards. That means regulations, surveillance, training, recordkeeping and enforcement to maintain good hygiene and animal handling practices. Sounds like Big Government intrusiveness to me.
I got a better idea. Let’s put PETA in charge of shutting down the wet-markets and other places around the world that cram stressed animals together in their own waste.
https://investigations.peta.org/indonesia-thailand-wet-markets/
Or we could all just go vegan.
#OpposeSpeciesism
#FleshisforZombies
finally a quality take from you... took ya long enough!
I think you like tube steak.
And that's fine.
As opposed to that dumbfuck Trump, you get our allies on board to tell the Commie bastards to cut this shit out and start implementing standard food health standards or else we are going to start sending our business somewhere else. Then you go to Mexico, Latin America, and other parts of Asia and say, we are done doing business with those fucks. Let's sign treaties so we can build factories in your countries and put your people to work (so they don't want to come here) because we don't want to deal with those Commie SARS fucks again. Then you tax the fuck out of you asshole tech guys who are activing supporting a totalitarian regime.
Boom. Done. US and allies win. Everyone else but the Commie bastards win. Commie bastards sending tanks back into Tiennamin Square.
Trump is such an asshole he failed to get anyone else on board to join us. That was his error, among many.If the Chinese are stealing our technology, and that's bad, and Trump and Biden aren't going to do anything about it, how is the status quo in all the tech assholes best economic interest, as you say?
I like steak. Not tube steak. Steak steak. USDA inspected steak.
"or else we are going to start sending our business somewhere else" I see. I didn't know that Tim Cook was the US President, and Samsung's CEO was the Head of State of Korea.
This before we get into the fact that China is now becoming too expensive and the factories are all moving to Vietnam anyway.
And you don't think there are factories in Mexico? And that maybe it doesn't matter if it's "permitted" to build a factory in Ciudad Juarez because LG maybe doesn't want to set up shop in "the most violent zone in the world outside of declared war zones". And maybe the workers there don't care if there is a job because of that whole "violent zone" thing and just want to get out?
Did your account get hacked?
Taxation policies are strong motivators, you should know that.
I'm really trying to figure out what your end game is here anyway? What is the theory, that we should write them a ticket for a health code violation? Yell at them on TV? Trump yelled at them for four years, what did that get us?Maybe do it in Alaska ? We could give them what for again in front of world wide media ? That worked well, and now they've banned Manchin's wife in China and Hong Kong before she could give them a piece of her mind.
As our friend Old97 would make very clear, taxation is the biggest invasion of human rights there is.
I mean, I agree with you on this point, but you're repeatedly disagreeing with yourself
We could give them what for again in front of world wide media ?
Do you think they give a shit?
All of this is kabuki anyway. One way or the other, a virus was spreading around the world. Regardless of how this ball started rolling, the number one goal at that point is to STOP THAT BALL. Throwing a tantrum and spreading conspiracy theories about CHINA does nothing towards that end. If Xi got on TV and said "Yep, we manufactured the virus and let it loose!" that would not end this pandemic nor bring back the 450,000 dead Americans we could have saved with trivial measures.
Maybe whatever you guys have in your system was contagious and Ayo got it in the Loyola game - "If they just hadn't hired John Groce we wouldn't be sitting here behind at halftime. Why aren't they doing something about the whole Groce fiasco!"
Once again - see 1:00 in this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-ADAwfrwGs
Do you think they give a shit?
All of this is kabuki anyway. One way or the other, a virus was spreading around the world. Regardless of how this ball started rolling, the number one goal at that point is to STOP THAT BALL. Throwing a tantrum and spreading conspiracy theories about CHINA does nothing towards that end. If Xi got on TV and said "Yep, we manufactured the virus and let it loose!" that would not end this pandemic nor bring back the 450,000 dead Americans we could have saved with trivial measures.
Maybe whatever you guys have in your system was contagious and Ayo got it in the Loyola game - "If they just hadn't hired John Groce we wouldn't be sitting here behind at halftime. Why aren't they doing something about the whole Groce fiasco!"
Once again - see 1:00 in this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-ADAwfrwGs
Doubling down I see. Of course something would/should be done about it. Spreading conspiracy theories? You’re a fucking moron if you don’t think it came from there. Why do you think they’re killing people, trying to not let us investigate, or let anyone worth a shit into their country to look at it? People like you are what’s wrong with our country and China wouldn’t hesitate to cut your head off after your kind let’s them take over the world. You’re a fucking idiot! Why are you defending China?!
Someone in China was selling bats/pangolins/etc... in a wet market, which is some bad shit. Somehow in the custody chain between catching the bat and a customer and consumption or whatever, a virus made the jump to humans and there you go, a pandemic.
Occam's razor.
That's not a defense or non defense of China.
Talk about straw men....we were not discussing the response. We know it was and, it appears continues to be, shit because Trump transported us back to 1860 "States Rights" time. That was not the point, apparently, of the 60 Minutes piece. We were discussing origination and future prevention by requiring the Commie bastards to actually require safe food handling protocols as a price of being part of the international community.
I have no issue with saying we should be pushing on the Chinese - the whole world really - to adapt their cultural norms to modern standards. Hell, I live in SF where we had to beat up on some local politicos of Chinese descent who were trying to defend Shark Fin Soup, which has little real value but was decimating the shark population with fins being sheared off sharks who were then dumped back to die in the sea.
The problem is when THIS WAS ZOMG CHINAS FAULT becomes a strawman very easily used to distort the reality that we really screwed up the response - which would have been hard work but not very complicated to get right. This becomes more pernicious when the tenor of that blame starts to point at the upper levels of Chinese Government that is running a country with over a Billion people most of whom are in 3rd world/undeveloped situations.
People in Appalachia are eating squirrels and possums and who knows what. Risk exists there too. The scope is far larger in China, so it's not too shocking that China is where the humans lost the pandemic lotto.
But when you get down to it, a lot of bad shit will happen worldwide. Viruses have large scale impact but we have huge portions of the US population with substandard sewage - just being dumped into waterways. People who just burn their trash despite it containing lots of toxics. This happens on the corporate level too, when you look at things like the BP oil disaster or a cargo ship blocking the Suez Canal.
I'm more optimistic in many of these cases about us being able to craft responses than trying to figure out how to track down what 7 billion humans are up to on a micro level.
I have no issue with saying we should be pushing on the Chinese - the whole world really - to adapt their cultural norms to modern standards. Hell, I live in SF where we had to beat up on some local politicos of Chinese descent who were trying to defend Shark Fin Soup, which has little real value but was decimating the shark population with fins being sheared off sharks who were then dumped back to die in the sea.
The problem is when THIS WAS ZOMG CHINAS FAULT becomes a strawman very easily used to distort the reality that we really screwed up the response - which would have been hard work but not very complicated to get right. This becomes more pernicious when the tenor of that blame starts to point at the upper levels of Chinese Government that is running a country with over a Billion people most of whom are in 3rd world/undeveloped situations.
People in Appalachia are eating squirrels and possums and who knows what. Risk exists there too. The scope is far larger in China, so it's not too shocking that China is where the humans lost the pandemic lotto.
But when you get down to it, a lot of bad shit will happen worldwide. Viruses have large scale impact but we have huge portions of the US population with substandard sewage - just being dumped into waterways. People who just burn their trash despite it containing lots of toxics. This happens on the corporate level too, when you look at things like the BP oil disaster or a cargo ship blocking the Suez Canal.
I'm more optimistic in many of these cases about us being able to craft responses than trying to figure out how to track down what 7 billion humans are up to on a micro level.
Maybe do it in Alaska ? We could give them what for again in front of world wide media ? That worked well, and now they've banned Manchin's wife in China and Hong Kong before she could give them a piece of her mind.
Or maybe this story from a year ago that the media buried as 'it's a conspiracy'.
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-officials-raised-alarms-about-safety-issues-in-wuhan-lab-report-2020-4
So, the lab escape theory has been labeled by 27 scientists (led by Peter Daszek) as a “conspiracy theory.” So what? Not everybody agrees. And you can thank the “Stable Genius,” Mike Pompeo and Steve Bannon for undermining this theory by politicizing the origins of the coronavirus outbreak from the get-go.
Bottom line: most lamestream media outlets have reported that there are a number of possible explanations for the outbreak, including the lab-leak hypothesis. Even left-of-center New York Magazine and WaPo have published articles, saying the virus could have escaped from a lab, in addition to calling for a thorough and transparent investigation by WHO and the Chinese government.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/22/did-covid-19-escape-wuhan-lab-who-report-cant-be-final-word/
I think we can all agree that China is a big problem on a number of fronts. But as Murph said, four years of yelling at the Chinese hasn’t worked. And PAM is right, it’s going to “take a village” for us running dog imperialists to deal with those dirty commie rats.
Murph, your entire post was well-explained and important.
Unfortunately, you know as well as I do that an oil magnate (or whatever industry is deeply invested in the status quo)) will feed a horror story to Faux News, that Judy and Old 97 will fall for it, and nothing will he done to prevent future instances of the causal problems.
... a cargo ship blocking the Suez Canal.
... being able to craft responses
I think we can all agree that China is a big problem on a number of fronts. But as Murph said, four years of yelling at the Chinese hasn’t worked. And PAM is right, it’s going to “take a village” for us running dog imperialists to deal with those dirty commie rats.
Ok, but I do not recall any SARS starting out of Appalachia.
Ergo eating squirrels, possums, and other rodents is fine.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/dsgtk8/resultbased_analysis_and_why_it_is_problematic/
I didn't say that, but the topic here is THE CARONAVIRUS and we have had 2 SARS events originating out of China in this century. You quality post ratio is quickly falling below the Judge Judy Line.
I did a “no China” Christmas in 2020 in which I didn’t give any gifts that came from China. If you have many people to buy for, particularly young people, it’s harder than you’d think.
I did a “no China” Christmas in 2020 in which I didn’t give any gifts that came from China. If you have many people to buy for, particularly young people, it’s harder than you’d think.
Ergo eating squirrels, possums, and other rodents is fine.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9418125/Covid-19-Men-contract-coronavirus-THREE-TIMES-risk-developing-erectile-dysfunction.html
Why Covid can play havoc with men's love lives: Men who get infected have 'THREE TIMES the risk of developing erectile dysfunction'
Maybe Rob will now wish 97 gets The COVID instead of cancer.
Follow the psyents.
Lord help us.
"Mike Kirby, a former professor of general practice in Hertfordshire and editor of The Aging Male, suggests this means doctors should be ready to check testosterone levels in male Covid patients and, if necessary, provide testosterone replacement."
Get your testosterone levels checked. Get your vaccine passport. No sex without a passport. You can't fly, take public transportation without your passport. No going to ball games without your passport. No shopping at Nordstroms or Wal-Mart without your passport.
For you Iranians coming thru the southern border, leave the passport you used to get to Mexico behind, just bring your vaccine passport.
Get your vaccine passport to no ID required vote in person. You'll need it.
Put your masks on and get your ass in the basement. We're facing impending doom. The CDC director sez so.
I guess I better not go to Home Depot today.
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Every time the word pangolin comes up it reminds me of the South Park Pandemic Special which I thought was absolutely fabulous.Same here.
Follow the psyents.
Lord help us.
"Mike Kirby, a former professor of general practice in Hertfordshire and editor of The Aging Male, suggests this means doctors should be ready to check testosterone levels in male Covid patients and, if necessary, provide testosterone replacement."
Get your testosterone levels checked. Get your vaccine passport. No sex without a passport. You can't fly, take public transportation without your passport. No going to ball games without your passport. No shopping at Nordstroms or Wal-Mart without your passport.
For you Iranians coming thru the southern border, leave the passport you used to get to Mexico behind, just bring your vaccine passport.
Get your vaccine passport to no ID required vote in person. You'll need it.
Put your masks on and get your ass in the basement. We're facing impending doom. The CDC director sez so.
I guess I better not go to Home Depot today.
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Note to Mn:
WHO Chief Wants Further Investigation of Lab Leak Theory
“The World Health Organization’s chief said a mission to study the origins of the coronavirus in China didn’t adequately analyze the possibility of a lab leak before it concluded that the pathogen probably spread from bats to humans via another animal.”
“Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said even though the international team of scientists determined that a leak is the least likely hypothesis for the origin of the pandemic, it requires further investigation. He said he’s ready to deploy additional missions involving specialist experts as he doesn’t believe the assessment was extensive enough.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-30/who-chief-critiques-covid-report-says-lab-leak-study-needed
We had a kerfluffle about this yesterday. While it seems most probable to me that this pandemic is just like any other where some virus evolved in one species and ended up making the jump, it's depressing that a "lab leak" is something that would need to be "investigated". If a virus leaks from a lab unintentionally - that should be reported as standard practice by that lab, sure it's embarrassing but not reporting it is sociopathic. And yeah, if it's being suppressed by the Chinese Government because they are embarrassed, that's sociopathic too.
I land in an interesting spot here. The Iranians are tyrants who also seem crazy, like they don't give a shit what happens to the world as long as they stay in power. The Chinese on the other hand, while very much tyrants and doing bad shit like oppressing the Uighurs, do not on the other hand appear to be sociopathic climate deniers like Ted Cruz or Donald Trump, and while their response to COVID was heavy handed, they never called it a hoax like Trump did, they very aggressively tried to shut it down using scientifically proven methods.
I guess that failure to admit a lab leak isn't inconsistent with trying to scientifically address the pandemic, because knowing that it was a lab leak doesn't alter the response.
We had a kerfluffle about this yesterday. While it seems most probable to me that this pandemic is just like any other where some virus evolved in one species and ended up making the jump, it's depressing that a "lab leak" is something that would need to be "investigated". If a virus leaks from a lab unintentionally - that should be reported as standard practice by that lab, sure it's embarrassing but not reporting it is sociopathic. And yeah, if it's being suppressed by the Chinese Government because they are embarrassed, that's sociopathic too.
I land in an interesting spot here. The Iranians are tyrants who also seem crazy, like they don't give a shit what happens to the world as long as they stay in power. The Chinese on the other hand, while very much tyrants and doing bad shit like oppressing the Uighurs, do not on the other hand appear to be sociopathic climate deniers like Ted Cruz or Donald Trump, and while their response to COVID was heavy handed, they never called it a hoax like Trump did, they very aggressively tried to shut it down using scientifically proven methods.
I guess that failure to admit a lab leak isn't inconsistent with trying to scientifically address the pandemic, because knowing that it was a lab leak doesn't alter the response.
The reason the Chinese aren't "climate deniers" is because they directly benefit from the proselytization of it
we sure as shit aren't building solar panels and windmills in the US or Europe
If people wanted to be serious about green energy, we'd have way more nuclear power plants than we currently do and would be continuing to be building them in droves... the Chinese don't build nuclear reactors... coincidence? I think not.
The reason the Chinese aren't "climate deniers" is because they directly benefit from the proselytization of it
we sure as shit aren't building solar panels and windmills in the US or Europe
If people wanted to be serious about green energy, we'd have way more nuclear power plants than we currently do and would be continuing to be building them in droves... the Chinese don't build nuclear reactors... coincidence? I think not.
Biden and Harris after Nov. It's ok to get the vaccine that we were telling the American public wasn't trustworthy before the election.
From detroitnews.com Sept 2020.
"If you care more about protecting lives than politics, you're rooting for a COVID-19 vaccine to arrive at the earliest possible moment. This virus has already killed too many people, and having a shield against it will be something to celebrate.
Unless, apparently, if you're on the Democratic presidential ticket and worry that a vaccine that comes before the November election will boost the reelection of President Donald Trump.
Sen. Kamala Harris, Joe Biden's pick for vice president, started the campaign to neutralize any benefit Trump might receive from an inoculation that's approved before Election Day in November. When asked by an interviewer whether she'd take take a COVID-19 vaccine, she expressed doubt, saying she "didn't trust Donald Trump."
The talking point was picked up by Biden, who, responded to the same question by saying he expected "transparency" from the Trump administration on the approval of a vaccine.
Rather than trash-talking what would truly be a miracle, considering how long it normally takes to develop a vaccine, Biden and Harris should be offering up plans for broadly and rapidly inoculating Americans while reassuring them that it's the right thing to do.
“Nuclear power: from too cheap to meter to too expensive to matter.”
I’m always amazed when conservatives howl for more nuclear power. Yeah…let’s support an industry that’s:
• Received massive federal subsidies for plant construction, accident risks and waste disposal.
• Required huge capital outlays that have resulted in plant cost overruns, delays, cancellations and abandonments.
• Obligated the federal government to maintain a large bureaucracy (e.g., regulations, licenses, monitoring and inspections) to ensure the nuke plants operate safely.
Move over Big Tech and Big Pharma. Here’s Big Energy and Big Government.
In recent years, the nuclear industry has been working to secure even more government assistance, this time at the state level (e.g., Ohio, Illinois and New York) because their plants are facing challenges from the open electricity markets.
And what’s this thing about China not building nuclear reactors? China is one of the world's largest producers of nuclear power. As of 2019, China has 46 nuclear reactors in operation with a capacity of 42.8 GW.
Now I’m good with extending the life of existing nukes to avoid increases in carbon emissions because they would be partially replaced with natural gas plants. I’m also good with modular nukes that are smaller and less costly. But keep in mind the modular systems have only been tested on a limited basis and the road to mass manufacturing will be rocky. There will be plenty of competition from solar plus storage systems and hydrogen technologies.
Oh, and the nuclear industry is a big proponent of carbon pricing and cap andtradetax programs. You ok with that?
Ray, you'll be happy to know that we have a possum who comes to our backyard to eat whatever leftover fats and skeletons I leave out for it.
S/he was in the garage yesterday, because I left the door open overnight. I spooned a dollop of rancid Manteca on a saucer, and placed it by the door.
The plate was clean when I returned.
That is a nice story. It is still a marsupial, not a rodent.
I have never consumed opossum or squirrel, but know people who have. They are the country boy outdoorsmen type and know wtf they are doing.
https://answers.fieldandstream.com/forum/other/other-aa/30776-what-type-of-squirrel-do-you-think-tastes-the-best-red-fox-or-gray-squirrel
If they knew what they were doing they'd have a ribeye
Actually, licensed, regulated harvesting of wild game is probably better for the environment than corn fed feedlot beef.
Personally, I am just as happy munching on salmon, tofu, chickpeas, quinoa, alfalfa sprouts, avacadoes ...
Actually, licensed, regulated harvesting of wild game is probably better for the environment than corn fed feedlot beef.
Personally, I am just as happy munching on salmon, tofu, chickpeas, quinoa, alfalfa sprouts, avacadoes ...
because farmed salmon is so great for the environment
Hunters almost always have a shitload of resource intensive goddamn gear and big trucks and UTVs and trail cams. Some of the rich ones fly all over the world to do it.
Supplying feedlots certainly isn’t without its issues, but a feedlot is an animal protein factory, and the industry has migrated in that direction because it’s the most efficient and economical way to produce animal proteins.
The vast majority of people don’t even have the equipment, access, or local availability to hunt. Yet most Americans have access to local meats at any time of year in America, unlike salmon, tofu, quinoa, chick peas, bananas, oranges, avocados, etc that have to be shipped hundreds or thousands of miles—usually in refrigerated containers.
That said I firmly believe animal agriculture as we know it is on borrowed time.
Maybe Rob will now wish 97 gets The COVID instead of cancer.
Where did you get the lard?
Why do you think it is on borrowed time?
It would be more economical and environmentally sound to grow vegetable protein for human consumption.
btw, I also know hunters who donate venison to food banks as part of wildlife management programs.
I'll give you ONE guess.
This is why I said to Heather, about 18 months ago, "we need a pandemic."
I shit you not.
Unfortunately, it's insufficiently deadly.
What’s your perfect pathogen?
Schnucks?
That Renee Russo/Dustin Hoffman thing seemed pretty effective.
You're already regretting throwing away your single chance.
In said scenario would you and Heather survive? If so, how?
Entire urban and suburban generations come and go never having to nurture a crop or an animal for food and most children who are asked where their food comes from don’t have any better answer than, “From the grocery!”
Urban rooftop gardens and suburban backyard greenhouses have become a thing, and that’s great. I think many people have an innate need to grow and harvest.
Agreed.
I figure I am about 50% country and the other half college townie.
In terms of greenhouse gases. Yes. Salmon farming is roughly equal to chicken, better than pork, a lot better than feedlot beef.
This is why I said to Heather, about 18 months ago, "we need a pandemic."
I shit you not.
Unfortunately, it's insufficiently deadly.
Tomorrow is 2 weeks post 2nd dose for me.
The CDC is saying I don't need to wear a mask. Cool.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1376950399232573442
That is not what she said, during that clip at least."Vaccinated people don't carry the virus. They don't get sick".
"Vaccinated people don't carry the virus. They don't get sick".
'They dont get sick.'
It's still early, but I think re-infection is running around 0.6%, with minimal symptoms or asymptomatic.
'They don't carry the virus.'
Sounds like positive tests after vaccinations may be non-transmissible viral remnants, or not showing satisfactory viral loads for tranmissability ?
Why?
Oh. So, you're actually concerned about Mn's wellbeing.
That's sweet.
True. Solid, long term poster. He's a glue guy. Provides effort and leadership. Not afraid to get dirt under his fingernails.
What he lacks in athleticism, he makes up for in hustle and intangibles. An Adam Morrison type, if you will.
Soylent Green is made out of people!
Uh, so he does not get sick. He has both shots. Means he is in a "1" category who is vulnerable. Just because you have the vaccine does not mean you won't get it.
Time for Alum74 to post an informative article on vaccines....
I have a couple cases of Soylent (the meal replacement beverage). Fart knows where I got them.
I already ate the candy bars. Uh, I mean the "protein bars."
What’s your avatar?
And is that your drawing of Rob?
What’s your avatar?
something that happened in 1997
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The Princess Diana crash?Well known that Teh Gay really loved Princess Di
indeed
Uh, any particular reason?
Just another series of strange coincidences that happened in my username's year
Shouldn't this answer include something about Rob and a car wreck?
I had the same thought
I kinda wish Trump were holding more rallies.
Information (the legal term), then grand jury, then indictment, then arrest.
Mask mandate ends in Indiana tomorrow. Will see if Rob gets his wish.
What, that cases will drop 60% like in Texas?
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234
COVID #3, but the number of chronic lower respiratory deaths and suicides went down at least..
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totally not creepy propaganda at all
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/third-covid-survivors-suffer-neurological-223000621.html
[QAnon]Nothing to worry about since they lived[97]
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/third-covid-survivors-suffer-neurological-223000621.html
[QAnon]Nothing to worry about since they lived[97]
It could be a staffing issue. A pharmacist is brought in for a 4 hour vaccine clinic, then goes to work a regular 8 hour shift in their regular store. They scheduled shots on Fridays at the location I went to. Or the pharmacist would cover the store pharmacist regular work load, while the store pharmacist gives the shots.
Vaccine would come in on Tuesdays, and clinics were usually Thursdays and Fridays.
A staffing issue would imply that they don't have enough staff to run the amount of vaccinations that they otherwise would give out.Many retail pharmacies have too much work to handle as is. If staffing for a vaccine clinic is done corporately, they're pulling in staff from other locations to handle the excess work.
If that were true, why was Clear Lake showing a full slate of available appointments while dozens of sites in Sonoma County, the next county over - all booked up?
Many retail pharmacies have too much work to handle as is. If staffing for a vaccine clinic is done corporately, they're pulling in staff from other locations to handle the excess work.
I've been told that locations don't know how much vaccine they will receive on Tuesday until the product actually arrives.
Online appts were impossible for me to find, but a phone call found 2 locations where I was told there was a decent possibility, but they wouldn't know until that morning.
By no means is it a seamless process.
I can't speak for Ca.
Maybe Minnesota should elect another wrestler as governor?I voted for Walz. He's an educator and stressed the importance of educating our future.
I voted for Walz. He's an educator and stressed the importance of educating our future.
He's had some difficulties dealing with the business aspects. The past year has been a little stressful for him.
Mn had a very high long term care death count for quite a while, but the state vaccine rate improved by quite a bit after a rocky start.
That's good to hear.Wait until Minneapolis burns again tho.
Wait until Minneapolis burns again tho.
Yeah, not good. Never is.Try reading the Star Tribune the day after watching court proceedings. I don't think we're watching the same thing.
As someone with a normally active social life, I can attest that I have felt unfamiliar levels of depression and isolation over the past year. It was particularly bad when I had to isolate. Those feelings haven’t entirely gone away.The pants that I wore for golf last fall didn't fit yesterday.
As someone who has the self-awareness to identify why I feel the way I feel, I can safely say they’re due to COVID restrictions rather than having had the virus.
If I took a non-contextual test I’m pretty certain I’d end up in that 30 odd percent.
But this is anecdotal so it doesn’t count.
But this is anecdotal so it doesn’t count.
The pants that I wore for golf last fall didn't fit yesterday.
Many retail pharmacies have too much work to handle as is. If staffing for a vaccine clinic is done corporately, they're pulling in staff from other locations to handle the excess work.
I've been told that locations don't know how much vaccine they will receive on Tuesday until the product actually arrives.
Online appts were impossible for me to find, but a phone call found 2 locations where I was told there was a decent possibility, but they wouldn't know until that morning.
By no means is it a seamless process.
I can't speak for Ca.
As someone with a normally active social life, I can attest that I have felt unfamiliar levels of depression and isolation over the past year. It was particularly bad when I had to isolate. Those feelings haven’t entirely gone away.
As someone who has the self-awareness to identify why I feel the way I feel, I can safely say they’re due to COVID restrictions rather than having had the virus.
If I took a non-contextual test I’m pretty certain I’d end up in that 30 odd percent.
But this is anecdotal so it doesn’t count.
Because they were too small or too big?A couple of inches too short in the waist.
Yeah, this is so boring I am actually ready to go back to the office (maybe Fridays will still be WFH). The PassiveWife gets miffed when I wander down the street to have a few with the guys (even though it is usually only 2 to maybe 6 of us in the place).
Same, I miss my coworkers (something I thought I would literally never in a million years say)Well, is Tesla really a tech company or a car company?
I'll go back in when governor clownshoes ends the mask mandate. My wife works for a massive tech company and they are starting to allow people to come back if they want to now starting next week I believe
I have felt unfamiliar levels of depression and isolation over the past year.
Well, is Tesla really a tech company or a car company?
nice guess but no
much much much larger than tesla
Looks like my 2nd guess was correct
https://ilsr.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Amazon_warehouse.jpg
Sorry to hear it.
I've found ridiculing Judy for his stupidity to be therapeutic. Hope that helps.
I got my first shot. Crook County and the National Guard are opening up mass vaccination sites to Group 1c (which I am).Dunno if they use a thicker needle than for a flu shot, but I had a sore shoulder more than after a flu shot for the 1st shot yet not much for the 2nd.
I got pricked in an abandoned Hobo store, never thought I’d have to say that.
He’ll be fine if he’s not a huge pussy.Should I have said the only complaints I've heard came from Italians ?
Jesus.
I got my first shot. Crook County and the National Guard are opening up mass vaccination sites to Group 1c (which I am).
I got pricked in an abandoned Hobo store, never thought I’d have to say that.
He’ll be fine if he’s not a huge pussy.I had a sore shoulder for 2 days and a little fatigue, not bad at all. I think the woman giving me the shot hit a nerve though. I had shooting jolts like electric shocks down my arm and across my chest for about 2 minutes after the shot, it was weird. The second shot is usually worse, most people have at least 24 hours of feeling shitty from what I’ve heard.
Jesus.
I see the pussys came out today. lol.
I had no problems at all with the 2nd shot.
The shooting jolts was the chip being implanted. Totally normal.All that “chip” talk is absurd.
Pentagon scientists working inside a secretive unit set up at the height of the Cold War have created a microchip to be inserted under the skin, which will detect COVID-19 infection, and a revolutionary filter that can remove the virus from the blood when attached to a dialysis machine.
The team at the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) have been working for years on preventing and ending pandemics.
They assess the issues and come up with ingenious solutions, which at times appear more from a science fiction novel than a working laboratory.
One of their recent inventions, they told 60 Minutes on Sunday night, was a microchip which detects COVID infection in an individual before it can become an outbreak.
The microchip is sure to spark worries among some about a government agency implanting a microchip in a citizen.
Officials who spoke to the 60 Minutes team said the Pentagon isn't looking to track your every move.
A more detailed explanation was not given.
excuse me um... wtf?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9460389/Pentagon-scientists-invent-microchip-senses-COVID-19-body-symptoms.html
Wow, this is fucking insane. I’m sure there are people stupid enough to actually want to get this shit put in them.
Wow, this is fucking insane. I’m sure there are people stupid enough to actually want to get this shit put in them.The same people invented the internet, and you're obviously stupid enough to put anything on the internet into your body. So yeah.
Yeah, you'll want to keep an eye out for bolts of lightning, too. Especially if you're a female of childbearing age.
Those poor women! Are you saying you don’t care about their lives that are lost?!False outrage noted.
Or to believe this
a revolutionary filter that can remove the virus from the blood when attached to a dialysis machine.
Those poor women! Are you saying you don’t care about their lives that are lost?! That’s terrible dude. This shit is real!! One life is just too many! Follow the science!The risk is literally one in a million. And were there any lives lost?
Who’s to say there won’t be more effects from it? Did scientists predict this would happen? So if they didn’t, how do we know if there might eventually be more later?
I remember clotting issues in some COVID patients being a big talking point in the earlier stages of the pandemic.Dude, stop making shit up. Nobody did this.
People would say, “Well this is only killing whatever small percentage of people so we are totally overreacting by shutting everything down!!!”
And others would respond, “We don’t know enough about this virus! Look at the blood clotting affecting a tiny percentage of otherwise healthy people of the population! ZOMG we need to pause the world so we can learn more about the virus!!!”
And now the rushed-to-market vaccine seems to be causing blood clots in some tiny percentage of otherwise healthy people, but we can’t shut down the vaccination for a few days to learn more about it?
Dude, stop making shit up. Nobody did this.
EDIT: I actually agree with pausing the vaccine for a little while to get a handle on this, but if it turns out this infinitesimal risk of blood clotting is all there is, it should be in-paused quickly.
This sounds pretty good. Maybe they can cure HIV this way.
Dude, stop making shit up. Nobody did this.
EDIT: I actually agree with pausing the vaccine for a little while to get a handle on this, but if it turns out this infinitesimal risk of blood clotting is all there is, it should be in-paused quickly.
Dude, stop making shit up. Nobody did this.
EDIT: I actually agree with pausing the vaccine for a little while to get a handle on this, but if it turns out this infinitesimal risk of blood clotting is all there is, it should be in-paused quickly.
I remember clotting issues in some COVID patients being a big talking point in the earlier stages of the pandemic.
...
And now the rushed-to-market vaccine seems to be causing blood clots in some tiny percentage of otherwise healthy people, but we can’t shut down the vaccination for a few days to learn more about it?
Here are the problems with what you are saying. The Johnson & Johnson vaccine is a viral vector vaccine. It is made with a disabled virus to carry immunity instructions. In this case, a disabled adenovirus is engineered to carry immunity instructions for SARS-CoV-2. The shot does not and can not cause covid-19. Also, the blood clots in question are rare because they are oddly accompanied by low platelet counts, meaning they can't be treated with blood thinners. In the case of covid-19 related blood clots, warfarin and other blood thinners were used effectively. Therefore, something other than the virus that causes covid-19 must be causing these rare blood clots.I'm not chasing this because I'm all shot up. But what you present is a reasoned approach. I get the impression the most serious cases are women under 50, and the link may be oral contraceptive use or hormone therapy replacement. A pause to determine if this is the true subset makes sense. It may be that mRNA vaccines are the vaccine of choice for women.
The best guess at this point is that adenoviruses might be the culprit. They might trigger a rare immune response in some people. It is a good that they are holding off while they figure it out.
Finally, almost 7 million doses of the J&J viral vector vaccine have given. There have been something like 10 (?) cases of the rare blood clots.
I remember the blood clotting issues, but as you said, you were exaggerating (I’d say really, really exaggerating) how big of a deal people were making out of it.
You seriously don’t remember the whole blood clot thing?
Obviously I exaggerated for effect but after the population realized it was mostly affecting older people and people with metabolic disorders etc, blood clotting was the next big excuse for why we needed to continue lock down until we learned more about it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/22/coronavirus-blood-clots/
Pretty sure there have been blood clotting issues and resultant pauses with other COVID vaccines too.
I'm not chasing this because I'm all shot up. But what you present is a reasoned approach. I get the impression the most serious cases are women under 50, and the link may be oral contraceptive use or hormone therapy replacement. A pause to determine if this is the true subset makes sense. It may be that mRNA vaccines are the vaccine of choice for women.I think ultimately, what will happen is that the mRNA vaccines are what is going to be used by the most wealthy and developed countries, and the traditional vaccines like J&J and AstraZenica are what is going to be used by the less wealthy countries.
I think ultimately, what will happen is that the mRNA vaccines are what is going to be used by the most wealthy and developed countries, and the traditional vaccines like J&J and AstraZenica are what is going to be used by the less wealthy countries.These vaccines were given emergency use FDA authorizations for a pandemic. They're saving lives. It's a tough call, but it's not like there are a whole lot of alternatives.
Seems like government officials are doing the job we want them to. They identified the clotting disorder pretty quickly (the reporting system is working), are taking appropriate action while they investigate and are being transparent about it.
This is how it’s supposed to happen.
I remember the blood clotting issues, but as you said, you were exaggerating (I’d say really, really exaggerating) how big of a deal people were making out of it.
Also, there’s a difference between something doctors are noticing in (according to the article) 20-40% of patients, and a side effect that literally affects one out of a million recipients and has killed AFAIK one person out of 6+ million.
And yes, the AstraZenica vaccine also has shown clotting issues in a very small # of people. This is (among other reasons) why we’re sitting on tens of millions of doses of it that we aren’t distributing. I think it’s the same type of vaccine as J&J, so it’s not surprising that similar issues are occurring.
Believe it was 20-40% of SEVERE COVID infections where this was being seen. The vast majority are asymptomatic or have minor symptoms.
Clearly there is a link between some relatively small percentage of humans’ immune response to COVID/vaccines and blood clotting.
We remember it differently but I definitely recall the media, people on here and social media at large freaking out over low likelihood and even one-off cases.
wow there's a first time for everything, hang a banner
I'm not chasing this because I'm all shot up. But what you present is a reasoned approach. I get the impression the most serious cases are women under 50, and the link may be oral contraceptive use or hormone therapy replacement. A pause to determine if this is the true subset makes sense. It may be that mRNA vaccines are the vaccine of choice for women.
That's some interesting analysis. What is it doing on HQ2?It was a greasy little thought that slipped out after what I thought was Ray's reasoned approach.
That's some interesting analysis. What is it doing on HQ2?Fauci follows HQ. Lol.
Fauci follows HQ. Lol.
Anthony Fauci appeared on CBS News on Tuesday night to discuss J&J.
Tuesday night.
"Asked by Norah O'Donnell whether women should be particularly aware, he said yes, adding that they were now investigating whether the reaction was hormonal.
'There have been similar types of phenomena that have occurred during pregnancy,' he explained.
'Clotting abnormalities are known in women who take birth control pills, so certainly there could be a hormonal aspect to this.'
Scientists will be looking at whether birth control pills could have played a part in causing blood clots in the women who received the J&J vaccine, and fell ill."
This just means 97 will call you overratedNo big deal. I'll just lobby for aotc instead.
Smurph was right those Bay Area lockdowns kept the virus deaths low
https://m.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/in-san-francisco-drug-overdoses-claimed-twice-as-many-lives-as-covid-19_3780522.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-04-19&mktids=451b72cc084a003ec6d56f143bb9c36c&est=JR05pH3WJ3r4tY%2FAElR7MXkIfn7Qa4CTunGgNVU78Bd0%2FND1TGWQWva3nTbIm4Rx%2FNKOvbk%3D
Oh great. We're now linking Falun Gong propaganda.
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/coronavirus/article250803704.html
Ted Nugent reacts after testing positive for COVID: ‘Never been so sick in my life’
Hope he did not get it performing the Wango Tango.
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/coronavirus/article250803704.html
Ted Nugent reacts after testing positive for COVID: ‘Never been so sick in my life’
Hope he did not get it performing the Wango Tango.
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Hmmm. Who is right? Should be able to confirm.They can both be true. Covid deniers like to quote percentages like this to make it seem like small numbers. But 5% of tens of millions of people is a shit ton of people, way more than is necessary to overwhelm the healthcare system.
But the Tinseltown gentry won't be allowed to be 100% mask-free — they'll have to don a face covering when the cameras are off, such as during commercial breaks.
Yep, according to the logic of selective state-imposed mask mandates for show-biz types, science apparently makes it clear that while the coronavirus cannot be transmitted while cameras are rolling, the same crowd is at risk when the telecast pauses to run advertisements.
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It's like when they say covid has "a 99% survival rate." For one thing, that is incorrect use of terminology. Also, that would be a 1% case mortality rate, compared to .1% for the flu.I think it’s actually 0.01% for the flu.
I think it’s actually 0.01% for the flu.
Some red state hygiene theater
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yeah man, authoritarian regimes have always been known to let the people they rule over have their freedoms back
fucking idiot
The people in New Zealand are were locked down, wearing masks, etc...
They have COVID under control, and now they are not.
Is this some corner case example where a non-authoritarian regime took freedoms away, then gave them back because they are not authoritarian?
But the California government is authoritarian, so we will be wearing masks and never go to a bar again?
yeah man, authoritarian regimes have always been known to let the people they rule over have their freedoms back
fucking idiot
The people in New Zealand are were locked down, wearing masks, etc...
They have COVID under control, and now they are not locked down nor wearing masks.
Is this some corner case example where a non-authoritarian regime took freedoms away, then gave them back because they are not authoritarian?
But the California government is authoritarian, so we will be wearing masks and never go to a bar again?
I wonder, when the US had rationing coupons for butter and gasoline during WW2, was that a freedom being taken away by an authoritarian regime? What happened there, Ike got elected and overthrew the authoritarianism of Trumanism?
I am an American…I have rights! Those masks mandates violate my First Amendment right to speech and association, and mandatory masks violate my constitutional right to liberty and to make decisions about my own health.
My body, my choice!
Well, maybe not…
“On July 27, the [Palm Beach County, FL] Court declined to issue an injunction against the mask mandate. Citing Jacobsen v. Massachusetts, the Court found that ‘no constitutional right is infringed by the Mask Ordinance’s mandate … and that the requirement to swear such a covering has a clear rational basis based on the protection of public health.’ More to the point, the Court continued, ‘constitutional rights and the ideals of limited government do not … allow (citizens) to wholly shirk their social obligation to their fellow Americans or to society as a whole…. After all, we do not have a constitutional right to infect others.’”
https://theconversation.com/the-constitution-doesnt-have-a-problem-with-mask-mandates-142335
You will. When the case rate drops. Which happens if enough people get the vaccine.
Lowest case rate in the country - Bear Republic.
I had to go to Colorado to see my Dad, it was quite a culture shock. Bars pretty much fully open, people would wear masks as they entered, and when going to order or to the bathroom, but this bar had 70-ish people in it, mixed households at single tables, etc...
And... Colorado is now spiking. And not just cases, Hospitalizations.
The wife and I went down to Denver for a "5280 Restaurant Week" dinner last night. It was nice weather and we got an outside table. We were both surprised at the crowding especially all the younger folks. We'd been going out closer to home since vaccinations but hadn't seen anything as busy as last night, a frigging Monday! Our cases are rising here and kids are starting to move the numbers.
I know what you meant to say.
yeah man, authoritarian regimes have always been known to let the people they rule over have their freedoms back“Authoritarian regime”? JFC dude. We live in a democracy. If a “regime” tries pulling shit, they lose at the ballot box. What are you even talking about?
fucking idiot
When we (the illuminati) have collected all the data, this test run will have proved invaluable in the effort to cleanse the planet of our retarded half.
Who'da thunk it.
https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/04/27/google-promised-its-contact-tracing-app-was-completely-private-but-it-wasnt
A short little story about Operation Warp Speed.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/05/the-truth-about-trumps-operation-warp-speed/
Long, but interesting.
https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
The article is interesting and pertinent, but the author has an obvious political ax to grind.
“Science is supposedly a self-correcting community of experts who constantly check each other’s work. So why didn’t other virologists point out that the Andersen group’s argument was full of absurdly large holes? Perhaps because in today’s universities speech can be very costly. Careers can be destroyed for stepping out of line. Any virologist who challenges the community’s declared view risks having his next grant application turned down by the panel of fellow virologists that advises the government grant distribution agency.”
“To my knowledge, no major newspaper or television network has yet provided readers with an in-depth news story of the lab escape scenario, such as the one you have just read, although some have run brief editorials or opinion pieces."
Nonesense. Here are several articles on the lab-leak theory from the Washington Post, NY Magazine, NYT and USA Today. They are long and well-researched, including statements from scientists.
Opinion: State Department cables warned of safety issues at Wuhan lab studying bat coronaviruses
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/
The Lab-Leak Hypothesis For decades, scientists have been hot-wiring viruses in hopes of preventing a pandemic, not causing one. But what if …?
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html
Could an accident have caused COVID-19? Why the Wuhan lab-leak theory shouldn't be dismissed
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/opinion/2021/03/22/why-covid-lab-leak-theory-wuhan-shouldnt-dismissed-column/4765985001/
On W.H.O. Trip, China Refused to Hand Over Important Data
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/12/world/asia/china-world-health-organization-coronavirus.html
A group of scientists also have questioned the natural origins hypothesis and called for a full and open investigation of all hypotheses about the origins of the virus.
https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/COVID%20OPEN%20LETTER%20FINAL%20030421%20(1).pdf
The Trump administration’s “bull-in-the-china-shop” attempts to politicize the virus from the start didn’t help matters in creating an international process that would examine how and when the outbreak started. Just look at the tit-for-tat response from the Chinese government, shifting the narrative that the virus was created in a U.S. military lab.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/20/china-revives-conspiracy-theory-of-us-army-link-to-covid
Good bot.
The article is interesting and pertinent, but the author has an obvious political ax to grind.
“Science is supposedly a self-correcting community of experts who constantly check each other’s work. So why didn’t other virologists point out that the Andersen group’s argument was full of absurdly large holes? Perhaps because in today’s universities speech can be very costly. Careers can be destroyed for stepping out of line. Any virologist who challenges the community’s declared view risks having his next grant application turned down by the panel of fellow virologists that advises the government grant distribution agency.”
“To my knowledge, no major newspaper or television network has yet provided readers with an in-depth news story of the lab escape scenario, such as the one you have just read, although some have run brief editorials or opinion pieces."
Nonesense. Here are several articles on the lab-leak theory from the Washington Post, NY Magazine, NYT and USA Today. They are long and well-researched, including statements from scientists.
Opinion: State Department cables warned of safety issues at Wuhan lab studying bat coronaviruses
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/
The Lab-Leak Hypothesis For decades, scientists have been hot-wiring viruses in hopes of preventing a pandemic, not causing one. But what if …?
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html
Could an accident have caused COVID-19? Why the Wuhan lab-leak theory shouldn't be dismissed
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/opinion/2021/03/22/why-covid-lab-leak-theory-wuhan-shouldnt-dismissed-column/4765985001/
On W.H.O. Trip, China Refused to Hand Over Important Data
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/12/world/asia/china-world-health-organization-coronavirus.html
A group of scientists also have questioned the natural origins hypothesis and called for a full and open investigation of all hypotheses about the origins of the virus.
https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/COVID%20OPEN%20LETTER%20FINAL%20030421%20(1).pdf
The Trump administration’s “bull-in-the-china-shop” attempts to politicize the virus from the start didn’t help matters in creating an international process that would examine how and when the outbreak started. Just look at the tit-for-tat response from the Chinese government, shifting the narrative that the virus was created in a U.S. military lab.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/20/china-revives-conspiracy-theory-of-us-army-link-to-covid
Classic HQ2 post!
Hopefully the earthquake in Tahoe didn't get Murph.
TRIPLE MUTANT OMG NOOOOOKOYou dipshits laugh, but if this stuff continues to spread, there is eventually going to be a mutant that gets around current vaccines and antibodies, and then we’re back to square fucking one.
Of course you follow Erroll Webber.
I don't have a twitter account (or any social media), just saw it online elsewhere
You dipshits laugh, but if this stuff continues to spread, there is eventually going to be a mutant that gets around current vaccines and antibodies, and then we’re back to square fucking one.
Hint: This board is social media
All these years and I never knew you were an epidemiologist !
only one person here is stupid enough to use their real identityBut she's a judge!
no its a message board ya fuckwit
only one person here is stupid enough to use their real identity
Should we start up a wager on how long it would take me to dox you?
If you haven't already dropped into Streetview to look at Q97's property, you should.
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People filling plastic bags with gasoline, but won't get covid vaccine because it's not safe.
Whatever gets you wack jobs to get the vaccine so we can try and get out of this is fine with me.
Whatever gets you wack jobs to get the vaccine so we can try and get out of this is fine with me.
that was actually an old video from 2019 nichi
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Alex Jones saysOkay, you're done.
get out of what? the government overreaching its powers?
According to snopes. Can't believe them. Alex Jones says they are Soros funded. Besides. The founders got divorced.
Residents who haven't been vaccinated will be entered into a different sort of lottery, with prizes ranging from asymptomatic spread, to ICU stays. The grand prize is death
"I've often found it futile to try and talk sense into people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance" -Thomas Sowell
If not for government overreach,
tobacco companies would still be marketing cigarettes to children.
Anthropogenic global cooling due to particulate pollution and atmospheric aerosols would still be competing with anthropogenic global warming due to green house gases.
Lake Erie would still be on fire.
Acid rain would still be a major thing.
Cars would still burn leaded fuel and get less than 10 mp.
which is exactly relatable to the government telling you how to run your small business, or go out in public, or fuck your girlfriend, or go to church, or a concert or wtfever
keep comparing apples and oranges though, thats what they want, they want you to do this
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All these years and I never knew you were an epidemiologist !No, just someone with common sense who pays attention to things said by actual scientists who actually know what the fuck they’re talking about.
They're not conservatives.
Seriously nobody could be this dumb, so my only conclusion is that you are actually some Tucker Carlson staffer using this board for trial balloons for his show
Fucking government telling me I can't drive drunk or yell "fire" in a crowded theater? Fuck those freedom stealing assholes!
Hey! Put your fucking seat belt on! And why you're at it, drive on the right side of the street.
which is exactly relatable to the government telling you how to run your ... business,
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Fucking government telling me I can't drive drunk or yell "fire" in a crowded theater? Fuck those freedom stealing assholes!
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so people wearing masks will be seen as anti vaxxers now? lol
Who is she, besides probably another lunatic moron ?
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the heck if I know... she really seemed to trigger you for liking freedom though... weird
https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-dozen-test-facebooks-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxesLol. I didn't see President in Waiting Harris and her husband kissing, with masks on, mentioned. Get vaccinated, wear a mask.
Just 12 People Are Behind Most Vaccine Hoaxes On Social Media, Research Shows
Seems like 97 has been busy.
It's probably a good policy for you to link your Conspiracy Theorists like that. But I always open your links in a private tab; so Google, Twitter and YouTube don't mistakenly think I want any additional cranks in my feed.
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or not lied about getting vaccinated
He's not vaccinated?
He's fully vaccinated, but contracted Covid-19 recently. Cancelled taping of his show this week.
Fuck stop signs.
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He's not vaccinated?
idk, people lie all the fucking timeYou seem to like it most of the time.
https://cal.streetsblog.org/2021/04/22/legislative-update-bike-safety-stop-bill-passes-ca-assembly/
Completely idiotoc. They should follow the damned Rules of the Road.Fuck you.
Fuck you.
Completely idiotoc. They should follow the damned Rules of the Road.
If this law is passed, by definition, those will be the damned rules of the road?
Are you still telling Women they need to abide by the rules and not vote?
Helmut Jahn just got plowed over by 2 cars because he viewed a stop sign as a mere yield sign while on his bike. Already dumb ass losers on bikes view traffic signage as "suggestions". I see it all the time. Changing the law will lead to more accidents and deaths because dumb fuck bicyclists will act like the dumb fucks that they are. We live in America; not some Third World country where people can't afford cars. Drive a car if you are not in college and over 18. Rahm fucked up downtown Chicago with all the bike lanes no one uses, but now you have to sit there and wait to make a turn because the non-existent bicyclists have their own lights they don't follow anyway. Get with the program and buy a fucking car, or move to fucking China if you want to ride your bike to work.
Helmut Jahn just got plowed over by 2 cars because he viewed a stop sign as a mere yield sign while on his bike. Already dumb ass losers on bikes view traffic signage as "suggestions". I see it all the time. Changing the law will lead to more accidents and deaths because dumb fuck bicyclists will act like the dumb fucks that they are. We live in America; not some Third World country where people can't afford cars. Drive a car if you are not in college and over 18. Rahm fucked up downtown Chicago with all the bike lanes no one uses, but now you have to sit there and wait to make a turn because the non-existent bicyclists have their own lights they don't follow anyway. Get with the program and buy a fucking car, or move to fucking China if you want to ride your bike to work.
Come on, there’s plenty of people using the bike lanes in downtown Chicago and surrounding neighborhoods. I've even see them obey traffic signals. You slaves to the almighty steel death trap are just pissed off that people who bicycle don’t have to spend as much money on insurance, parking, maintenance and gas.
I think Chicago officials should make the downtown a car-free zone. Have a year-round October fest, food stands, music, parades, goat yoga and build a combination betting parlor/homeless tent shelter on each corner. Give the streets back to the people!
You should be grateful for bicyclists. Who do you think started the paved roads movement in this country?
I bet you owned a Pinto.
wow hot take, are you channeling me for the day?
was out in the mountains driving yesterday and you wouldn't believe these idiot cyclists on busy roads... like bro, do you just really want to die? theres plenty of roads around without thousands of cars passing you every hour, wtf???
Helmut Jahn just got plowed over by 2 cars because he viewed a stop sign as a mere yield sign while on his bike.
For every one bicyclist that actually follows the Rules.of the Road, 10 others don't. Saw it today, walking the dog for an hour. Saw one woman actually stop at the stop.sign. Saw 12 others blow right thru them.
Come on, there’s plenty of people using the bike lanes in downtown Chicago and surrounding neighborhoods. I've even see them obey traffic signals. You slaves to the almighty steel death trap are just pissed off that people who bicycle don’t have to spend as much money on insurance, parking, maintenance and gas.
I think Chicago officials should make the downtown a car-free zone. Have a year-round October fest, food stands, music, parades, goat yoga and build a combination betting parlor/homeless tent shelter on each corner. Give the streets back to the people!
You should be grateful for bicyclists. Who do you think started the paved roads movement in this country?
I bet you owned a Pinto.
I support RFID tracing for dogs and their owners. Snapcrap isn't a terrible idea, but lacks teeth.
Did you report the SOB?
motorists’ lives as miserable as possible.
It’s like a fucking cult
I love the idea of more cycling. Less pollution noise, traffic...fewer obese people.
But the reality is that a startlingly large percentage of the cycling enthusiasts I encounter are smug pretentious pricks that go out of their way to make motorists’ lives as miserable as possible.
It’s like a fucking cult
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/2-bicyclists-hit-by-suspected-drunken-driver-near-sebastopol/The saddest part of that article is the amount of adware it wants to install on my device.
The saddest part of that article is the amount of adware it wants to install on my device.
Newspapers are the worst. Why are newspapers the worst?
Cry me a river about bicycling scofflaws. If I had a dime for every time I’ve seen a motorist run a red light, do a rolling stop at an intersection, or get out of the car to pee on the side of the road, I’d be a millionaire.
Cars are a public health menace, especially with the increased risks of distracted driving. In the U.S. in 2018, over 2,800 people were killed and an estimated 400,000 were injured in crashes involving a distracted driver. About 1 in 5 of the people who died in crashes involving a distracted driver in 2018 were not in vehicles―they were walking, riding their bikes, or otherwise outside a vehicle.
https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/distracted_driving/index.html#:~:text=In%20the%20U.S.%20in%202018,crashes%20involving%20a%20distracted%20driver
Now let’s look at the subsidies given to the automobile industry. Over the past 40 years U.S. states have been vying for new auto plants, with 17 states granting $17 billion in tax breaks, job training funds, infrastructure development and other incentives to woo investment from domestic and foreign automakers. Tesla has received $1.3 billion from STOOPID Nevada, and over $100 million more from California. Fucking welfare queens!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-toyota-mazda-jobs-factbox/factbox-u-s-states-woo-automakers-with-17-billion-in-subsidies-since-1976-idUSKBN1AK2BI
And for those who think bicyclists are arrogant pricks (ok, maybe the weekend warriors who wear tight-fitting clothing), just walk into a Lexus, BMW, Audi or Mercedes dealership. Loaded with shallow twits, willing to spend $40,000+ on a car. What a waste of money, just to commute from point A to point B, often in congested traffic crawling along at less than 20 miles an hour.
#cars-r-coffins
#certifiedshitbox
#lifeistooshortfortraffic
#ijustdidn’tseeyou
You could probably read that back to yourself 30 times and not find your error.
The story is just an amalgam of pretty much 25% of posts on Nextdoor, not a real story.
If it were a real story, I would have shook my head and picked up the bag myself, because I'm a goddamn socialist.
Let.me know when union bicycle manufacturing workers make the same coin as the autoworkers, road repair people, etc.! Let's just go back to going across the county in covered wagons while we are at it!
bicyclists consistently and flagrantly ignore traffic laws, especially: 1) failing to stop at stop signs ...Fuck you too.
and riding their bike on the sidewalk.
Fuck you too.
I think your Prius was made in Japan by non-union, temporary low-wage workers from China and Vietnam.
https://inthesetimes.com/article/the-dark-side-of-the-toyota-prius
Or maybe it was made in China by communists.
https://motorandwheels.com/where-is-toyota-prius-made/#:~:text=an%20American%20Company%3F-,Where%20Are%20Toyota%20Prius%20Being%20Made%3F,as%20one%20Prius%20in%20December
Looks like those scumbag Toyota corporate bigwigs sided with Trump to try to undermine state vehicle emission standards.
https://blog.ucsusa.org/jonna-hamilton/toyota-is-siding-with-trump-im-just-one-of-many-angry-prius-owners
And their U.S. auto plants are located in the south to avoid UAW contracts.
https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2019/02/where-is-toyota-from-and-where-are-toyotas-made-.html
https://www.uniontrack.com/blog/foreign-manufacturing
Sell your non-union, foreign-made Prius. You can get a bike made in Detroit or Milwaukee. Some even come with electric, pedal-assist motors.
https://usamadeproducts.biz/vehicles-bicycles.html
Take advantage of those Chicago bike lanes and bicycle boulevards. And tell your employer to install a shower at work.
Darwin Awards are for young people. It's the nature of the thing.
I used to love pedestrians getting schwinned on that bike path that runs along Wright street. Happened quite often. Hearing brakes lock up and someone yelling Look out! then the smack was music to my ears.
Hopefully Murph was not on a bike when the latest Tahoe earthquakes hit.
https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/california/article251479908.html
“Just had (an) earthquake in Lake Tahoe, was scary, the magnitude wasn’t high 3.7 but at the same time it put off a sound that sent chills down my back, I ran for a doorway screaming EARTHQUAKE!” wrote one resident on Twitter.
‘A huge exaggeration’
When the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released new guidelines last month for mask wearing, it announced that “less than 10 percent” of Covid-19 transmission was occurring outdoors. Media organizations repeated the statistic, and it quickly became a standard description of the frequency of outdoor transmission.
But the number is almost certainly misleading.
It appears to be based partly on a misclassification of some Covid transmission that actually took place in enclosed spaces (as I explain below). An even bigger issue is the extreme caution of C.D.C. officials, who picked a benchmark — 10 percent — so high that nobody could reasonably dispute it.
That benchmark “seems to be a huge exaggeration,” as Dr. Muge Cevik, a virologist at the University of St. Andrews, said. In truth, the share of transmission that has occurred outdoors seems to be below 1 percent and may be below 0.1 percent, multiple epidemiologists told me. The rare outdoor transmission that has happened almost all seems to have involved crowded places or close conversation.
Saying that less than 10 percent of Covid transmission occurs outdoors is akin to saying that sharks attack fewer than 20,000 swimmers a year. (The actual worldwide number is around 150.) It’s both true and deceiving.
This isn’t just a gotcha math issue. It is an example of how the C.D.C. is struggling to communicate effectively, and leaving many people confused about what’s truly risky. C.D.C. officials have placed such a high priority on caution that many Americans are bewildered by the agency’s long list of recommendations. Zeynep Tufekci of the University of North Carolina, writing in The Atlantic, called those recommendations “simultaneously too timid and too complicated.”
"whoops"
https://messaging-custom-newsletters.nytimes.com/template/oakv2?abVariantId=2&campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20210511&instance_id=30578&nl=the-morning&productCode=NN®i_id=61223809&segment_id=57734&te=1&uri=nyt%3A%2F%2Fnewsletter%2Fa1606adc-e1e1-5581-9f2e-aee007a098ea&user_id=62d7d697d0b3a5001308c3122f8093b6
Must be quite the conundrum, do you trust the CDC or the NYT?
That's right, he completely ignored the stop sign before he got flattened by two cars. My bad.
I'm not disputing there are plenty of drivers who operate cars with a similar disregard for traffic laws, but that percentage is significantly lower based upon what I have witnessed.
Hopefully Murph was not on a bike when the latest Tahoe earthquakes hit.
https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/california/article251479908.html
You keep using this word yield, I do not think it means what you think it meansHe definitely doesn't understand the concept.
Your statement was "he treated it like a yield"
You keep using this word yield, I do not think it means what you think it means
He definitely doesn't understand the concept.
"He" found my organization however, didn't know "his" name was actually Tiffany
From: Tiffany O'HARA [mailto:tiffanyf.s.ohara@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 8:31 AM
To: info; Karen MacKnight
Subject: WISE ADVICE
Stay off the road! You are idiots. Is it worth getting killed or slammed into so hard you spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair? Don't be cheap. Spend some money and buy your own terain where you go and do your sport. Stop ruining lives, your own and the people in cars who run into you. You are arrogant and rude and stupid. So you get killed by huge numbers.
Tiffany probably also thinks the white people were here first.
The Vikings might also agree with her.
Must be quite the conundrum, do you trust the CDC or the NYT?
You think nobody was here when the Vikings showed up? Why didn't they stay?
He treated it as a yield sign but didn't yield. He certainly didn't yield to traffic he didn't look at and got flattened like a bug on a windshield by 2 cars.
Gutfeld and his cohorts at FNC were really mad. People were actually wearing masks outside unnecessarily. They were devastated. More horrific government overreach.
Thank goodness the left is protecting us from gendered language.
I definitely understand the concept more than 95% of bicyclists do. You guys think it means "proceed through the intersection without looking."
"He treated it as a yield sign"
"He certainly didn't yield to traffic"
If you have a driver's license the DMV made a serious mistake.
Do you think cars are supposed to yield to bicycles?
Sounds like you will go splat on someone's windshield soon too. Darwinism at its best.
just some footage of ThePAMan
https://www.reddit.com/r/ActualPublicFreakouts/comments/nfdkbh/cunty_cyclist_asks_a_driver_if_hes_experiencing/?ref=share&ref_source=link
Pretty sure he has kids
just some footage of ThePAMan
https://www.reddit.com/r/ActualPublicFreakouts/comments/nfdkbh/cunty_cyclist_asks_a_driver_if_hes_experiencing/?ref=share&ref_source=link
The more I think of it, I'd like to give that car driver a hearty handshake and a dessert pie of his choice.
Where is all the outrage over the authoritarianism in Canada ?
Oh wait haha you libtard love this kind of authoritarianism !
97, that thread has a bunch of great stuff on it. Good stuff.
WTF are you taking about? You stoned again?
Something very similar from 8 years ago ;
https://groups.google.com/g/sf2g/c/LR2uhQKyy8c
Canada healthcare it’s so awesome !
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/covid-19-cases-canadas-most-populous-province-could-treble-cbc-2021-04-16/
Then he may want to drive a car instead of acting like he is 12 years old and having to use a bike to get around.
Something very similar from 8 years ago ;
https://groups.google.com/g/sf2g/c/LR2uhQKyy8c
Bikes are a fantastic way to get around town.
Sounds like you will go splat on someone's windshield soon too. Darwinism at its best.
I understand the concept of a Yield sign and what that implies, it appears you do not.
I hope you do. But it sure as hell does not sound like you do, based on your comments here. However, you look like you can bike pretty fast based on Gelato's video. So, you have that going for you.
This seems to be just trolling at this point, but Mr Jahn did not treat the stop sign like a yield, if he had, he would have yielded to the traffic which had the right of way and still be with us today. Under current Illinois law, he would be guilty of failing to stop at a stop sign, if the Idaho Stop was in place he'd be guilty of failing to yield. The Idaho Stop law doesn't allow you to fail to yield, nor does physics.
That is the point: He, like virtually all cyclists, treated the stop sign as a yield and just rolled right through without looking.
You're still trolling, right? Or do you not know what the word yield means? If there is oncoming traffic, rolling through implies you didn't treat it like a yield...
Most cyclists I’ve seen at stop-controlled intersections (as a motorist, pedal-pusher and pedestrian) have slowed down and looked both ways before rolling through a stop sign. When cross-traffic was present, most came to a complete stop and waited for their turn.
I like the Idaho Stop approach, which allows cyclists to treat stop signs as yield signs. Cyclists have a sense of perception about what’s going on around them. They’re not encased in a vehicle. They can see more to the right, to the left and they’re fairly agile.
Studies in Idaho and Delaware have shown significant decreases in crashes at intersections after passage of the stop-as-yield laws.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop
Are Idaho and Delaware high density states?
Oh brother...you do not get it. You bicycliists ignore Stop signs, Yield signs, signs that you are going to get run over, all the time. He treated the Stop sign like a Yield sign, but did not care or look (because he was a standard entitled bicyclist - redundant, I know), and went right through and went "splat".You’re right that most cyclists treat stop signs as yield signs, but you’re missing the fact that he didn’t treat it as a yield sign. If he would have, he would have stopped. It appears that he ignored it altogether.
Bikes are a fantastic way to get around town.In C/U, yes they are. I rode one everywhere when I was on campus. Until I let my roommate’s brother borrow it. He locked the front wheel to the bike rack instead of the bike frame. So then I had a wheel. Didn’t work as well for getting around town.
You’re right that most cyclists treat stop signs as yield signs, but you’re missing the fact that he didn’t treat it as a yield sign. If he would have, he would have stopped. It appears that he ignored it altogether.
No sale.
Are Idaho and Delaware high density states?
Back to the topic at hand, California is down to 3 cases per 100k, and the three major metros SF/LA/SJ are at 2/100kCDC shows California 23rd lowest in death rates per 100,000.
Hard work works
C'mon guys. They all ignore Yield signs, ergo he treated it as a "Yield sign" like most bicyclists do.I knew what you meant.
There's fat chicks everywhere.
CDC shows California 23rd lowest in death rates per 100,000.
2015 density by population rank for Illinois and states that allow cyclists to roll through intersections with stop signs after checking to make sure the area is clear of traffic:
Delaware #6
Illinois #18
Washington #24
Arkansas #34
Oklahoma #35
Colorado* #37
Oregon #39
Utah #40
Idaho #44
North Dakota #47
*In Colorado, the state allows local governments to optionally legalize this practice.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_territories_of_the_United_States_by_population_density
Since day 1, which isn't particularly meaningful with respect to what restrictions should be in place today.So you've moved up in the rankings to 23rd.
I knew what you meant.What did he mean?
Most do.
What did he mean?
I'd like to ask the board's resident HIPAA expert, Rob if this is a violation of the code? I think its fake because it kind of seems like a pretty big HIPAA violation, and Amazon wouldn't really want to do that, but will seek counsel from someone who actually knows.
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I thought Murph was just a bike-riding man of the people and the Nevada side of Tahoe was a dump?
https://www.sfgate.com/renotahoe/article/Incline-Village-Lake-Tahoe-Gene-Simmons-Wealth-Gap-16188867.php
[Gene] Simmons may have left California, but he didn’t go far. He’s following a well-worn path of aging rock stars and celebrities, financial executives and CEOs, and more recently, Silicon Valley tech darlings to the Nevada side of Lake Tahoe. Many of them land in Incline Village, an elite hamlet on Tahoe’s north shore full of lakefront and mountain-side mansions. A 10-minute drive from the California-Nevada state border, Incline Village is like the Malibu of Lake Tahoe — but with lower taxes.
So you're finally figuring out that I'm part of the elite illuminati that rejected your application to join?
Thursday, May 20 at 3:00 p.m.
Special Webinar:
Navigating the New Mask Guidance and Vaccine Exemption
Presented by the Department of Business Affairs and Consumer Protection
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Register by visiting www.chicago.gov/businesseducation
Interesting webinar. Basically, you will be able to drink maskless until 4am if you are vaccinated and can prove it. If you can't or won't, your masked ass is supposed to be tossed out of the place at COVID closing time.Don't worry, the Trump Org will be selling fake vaccination cards soon enough.
just some footage of ThePAMan
https://www.reddit.com/r/ActualPublicFreakouts/comments/nfdkbh/cunty_cyclist_asks_a_driver_if_hes_experiencing/?ref=share&ref_source=link
Dude should have shot the fucker on the bike. Exactly what the 2d Amendment and concealed carry were designed for.
Why isn't your ass vaccinated?
because he already had covid and recovered you dunce
and CDC will keep the public informed as new evidence becomes available.
I went to grade school with kids who had polio.
How much pressure are we as a society entitled to put on those who refuse to be vaccinated?
https://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2021/05/05/vaccine-passports-covid/ideas/essay/
Unvaccinated people may be COVID variant ‘incubators,’
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article251191029.html
I'm not anti vaccine at all...
I'm anti rushed out because OMGZWEREGOINGTODIE vaccine
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strange innit
Claims that COVID-19 vaccines are “experimental”, have skipped animal testing and have not completed initial research trials are false.
they have all been put through standard safety testing before being rolled out to the public.
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccines/corrected-fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-are-not-experimental-and-they-have-not-skipped-trial-stages-idUSL1N2M70MW
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/05/what-really-happened-with-that-weird-yankees-covid-outbreak.html
Will await 97's take.
mmm yeah thanks, I'll trust what the human body has come up with over millions of years of evolution vs. a rushed out in a few months vaccine
ever take a biology course in college? T-cells and antibodies are one of the more novice subjects, shame that the CDC doesn't have anyone there that studied this phenomenon from novel coronaviruses over the years
I am willing to bet a lot of money that they will find out afterwards that immunity lasts a long fucking time, I do find it funny how the tables have changed from the original message in november 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/health/coronavirus-immunity.html
I'm not anti vaccine at all...
I'm anti rushed out because OMGWEREGOINGTODIE experimental vaccine
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strange innit
behold, the ultramaskersMember when we were told the airlines have these sooper dooper air filtration systems and those little viruses in the plane dont have a chance ?
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Should government tell people what to wear? Should you?
Why does that bother you?
Member when we were told the airlines have these sooper dooper air filtration systems and those little viruses in the plane dont have a chance ?
behold, the ultramaskers
behold, the ultramaskersMan, what kind of fucked up perspective do you need to have to look at a pretty deadly disease and think that the people going overboard to protect themselves are the idiots, and not the people who refuse to take simple and perfectly safe steps to protect themselves?
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I can't read that whatever it is on my phone.Exactly right. At least the left has honorable intentions with their lies, but I’d rather just have honesty.
The right eagerly wants it to be a Wuhan Lab leak. The left is concerned this would lead to attacks on innocent Asian Americans. It's political on both sides.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31532507/former-utah-jazz-center-mark-eaton-dies-bicycle-crash-age-64?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true
Mark Eaton dead after bike crash
The ‘Rona gets another one.
https://www.newsweek.com/tennessee-hat-shop-blasted-selling-nazi-style-jewish-stars-proclaiming-not-vaccinated-1596081
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31532507/former-utah-jazz-center-mark-eaton-dies-bicycle-crash-age-64?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true
Mark Eaton dead after bike crash
I met him in the parking garage elevator of the Red Lion Inn in the late 80's.
Keep in mind it took 15 years to find the exact origin of SARS-COV-1.
Who figured it out?
Perve
See the referenced article.
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HOMEPAGE
June 15 2020
Fauci said US government held off promoting face masks because it knew shortages were so bad that even doctors couldn't get enough
In an interview with the financial-news site TheStreet, Dr. Anthony Fauci said the public was initially told not to wear masks to stop COVID-19 because of shortages of PPE for doctors.
He said the government's shift in advice was because of "changing circumstances" and new research.
He denied that earlier advice against wearing a mask was a contradiction of the new policy.
https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-mask-advice-was-because-doctors-shortages-from-the-start-2020-6
"Regardless of the true origin of SARS-CoV-2, the pandemic has demonstrated that global infrastructure is largely unprepared for such an outbreak, and many scientists argue that gain-of-function research could have predicted and allowed the world to better prepare for the outbreak." https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news-medical.net/amp/life-sciences/What-is-Gain-of-Function-Research.aspxThere are 3.5 million people unable to read this rationale for gain of function research.
There are 3.5 million people unable to read this rationale for gain of function research.
I wonder which horrific websites Q97 visits, but is embarrassed to link?
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/fauci-emails-reveal-damage-control-scramble-after-zerohedge-spotlights-man-made-covid-19
!!!!!!
Conspiracies these days are just true things that haven't been approved by the powers that run mainstream media yet
Hilarious. I owe you an applaud. Or two. That's good stuff.
bad botThey got word that the Fauci emails were coming out.
Conspiracies these days are just true things that haven't been approved by the powers that run mainstream media yet
They got word that the Fauci emails were coming out.
It became CYA time and wanted to distance themselves from Fauci.
AOTC. lol.
Oh, and let's announce a double down on a new investigation, after stopping the previous investigation earlier this year.
a decent man who actually cares about people.
Fauci this, Fauci that. Blah, Blah, Blah. Maybe we should check Hillary's emails too.
In case you haven’t notice, there is a new administration in place. Biden and his senior advisors are now calling the shots.
The pandemic denying, protocol sabotaging and narcissistic grifter has been replaced with a decent man who actually cares about people.
If you travel to a low risk area, and are not infected, you probably don't need a mask.
This is some kind of revelation?
have you been living under a rock or something?Under a rock - low risk area
Fauci this, Fauci that. Blah, Blah, Blah. Maybe we should check Hillary's emails too.Which page of the 3200 pages was that email in ?
In case you haven’t notice, there is a new administration in place. Biden and his senior advisors are now calling the shots.
The pandemic denying, protocol sabotaging and narcissistic grifter has been replaced with a decent man who actually cares about people.
have you been living under a rock or something?
have you been living under a rock or something?
LOLWhy do Fartface and Ben Vereen think Biden as caring person is a hilarious trope?
I get that you guys don't have Biden coming out and saying stupid shit on a daily basis to keep you right-wing, organ grinders' monkeys dancing so you need to latch onto something, but wasn't this whole "don't buy masks (because we would rather screw the public in order to save the masks for the medical professionals)" already revealed eons ago during the 1-term Trump admin?
Why do Fartface and Ben Vereen think Biden as caring person is a hilarious trope?
I get that you guys don't have Biden coming out and saying stupid shit on a daily basis
You're not listening hard enough I guess... or maybe the media just doesn't megaphone it into your face 24/7 like with the orange man
That’s not what I was laughing about.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/06/04/why-i-spoke-out-against-lockdowns/#.YLnJA4NJY6s.twitter
He's a sympathetic character, and writes compellingly.
Glossing over the health outcomes for teachers (by linking a PDF written in Swedish) makes his contributions as useful as any good protest song.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/06/04/why-i-spoke-out-against-lockdowns/#.YLnJA4NJY6s.twitter
To leftist propaganda bots it may concern:
They weren’t advocating letting the virus run free by not having any mitigation protocols.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/06/04/why-i-spoke-out-against-lockdowns/#.YLnJA4NJY6s.twitter
But many households include both high- and low-risk populations, family members and loved ones who cannot be feasibly quarantined from each other.
To leftist propaganda bots it may concern:
Especially the working class households he claims to be so concerned about.
I truly enjoy that someone who actually backs up his posts with data, etc., is deemed a "propaganda bot" around here.
Well, ok then. Isn't that how it happens to create vaccines?I think we're finding out the vaccine should precede a pandemic, but it's probably best if there's no pandemic.
(https://media.tenor.com/images/97a49eff2f70ba0b5bab9b170e199966/tenor.gif)Daszak does seem pretty proud of his work, but then again ....
Daszak does seem pretty proud of his work, but then again ....
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You’re turning into a rage junkie. It’s like you need a fresh (or recycled) target every few minutes.
I'm guessing you have grandchildren. Go take them out for an ice cream cone. You'll feel better about the world.
Disappointed there is no supporting link on the powers of ice cream.
On the flip side, it could have been a lot easier if shitheads like Q97 and the Orange Golfer hadn't immediately protested & resisted any and all precautions.
Disappointed there is no supporting link on the powers of ice cream.
My bot program is waiting for an update. I’ll try to get to it tomorrow.
This is a big point here. If the "re-opening" looks like a clown show, people aren't going to go out anyway, so businesses will spend money to reboot and then have no customers, which will be worse than being closed down.
It's a crisis. Provide direct aid. No different than a hurricane or fire.
Idk I think people are a lot more willing to go out than you think. Maybe not so much in large urban areas or if one is more at risk, but most people I know have gotten to a point where their financial, mental and social considerations outweigh their fear of getting COVID.
I wear a mask when I go out, and almost everyone I see has one on. That’s good. I’m not worried about getting it myself, I am concerned with potentially getting others sick. And almost everyone I talk to feels exactly the same way I do.
This is rather simplistic, and based off 2019 population figures, but .....
Sweden appears to have a death rate of 142/100,000.
Sweden has had close to no lockdown since the beginning.
California appears to have a death rate of 160/100,000.
But the population has declined, so the rate should be a little higher.
Michigan appears to be at 205/100,000. Not much different than Italy, which was hit early and hard.
Minnesota appears to be at 134/100,000.
The world was treated to a pandemic with no road map on how to handle it. Maybe that should be a consideration before more gain of function research continues.
California's death rate is 9601/100k, Death rate is 160/100kThe case rates in Sweden and California do show a higher case rate in Sweden, but I suppose that should be expected when accounting for lockdown strategies.
Sweden's case rate is 10,471/100k, Death rate is 141/100k
Source - New York Times - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-cases.html
So while you are more likely to get infected in Sweden, you are more likely to die in California.
You've just made the case for socialized medicine.
Last week I was at the Intercontinental in Chicago for three days of meetings with nearly 100 colleagues.That kinda sucks.
Our Canadian colleagues bemoaned their police state and restricted access to essential goods via video meeting.
My next door neighbors own a home in western Ontario where they usually spend the summer. They’ve been vaccinated since March and they’re hoping maybe they’ll be able to go by late summer.
Last week I was at the Intercontinental in Chicago for three days of meetings with nearly 100 colleagues.
Our Canadian colleagues bemoaned their police state and restricted access to essential goods via video meeting.
My next door neighbors own a home in western Ontario where they usually spend the summer. They’ve been vaccinated since March and they’re hoping maybe they’ll be able to go by late summer.
I did mention Italy and their mortality rate of over 200/100,000. Italy has socialized medicine.
Weren’t Canadians making fun of us last year?
How many beds in hospitals per capita does Italy and Canada have compared to here ?
I bet not as many
Italy’s Health Care System Groans Under Coronavirus — a Warning to the WorldMy comment was a result of it being said that I was making a case for socialized medicine when comparing Sweden and California mortality per 100,000.
"In less than three weeks, the coronavirus has overloaded the health care system all over northern Italy. It has turned the hard hit Lombardy region into a grim glimpse of what awaits countries if they cannot slow the spread of the virus and ‘‘flatten the curve’’ ..."
Published March 12, 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/world/europe/12italy-coronavirus-health-care.htmlItaly has a world-class health system. The coronavirus has pushed it to the breaking point
March 13, 2020
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/italy-has-world-class-health-system-coronavirus-has-pushed-it-n1162786
My comment was a result of it being said that I was making a case for socialized medicine when comparing Sweden and California mortality per 100,000.
I had mentioned Italy in a previous post only because their mortality per 100,000 was very similar to that of Michigan, and that Italy was hit hard and early when nobody knew what to do.
What are the rules ?
Anything to do with demographics like ethnicity, wages or salary, poverty level, education level ?
Or is it just that the people in Pelosi's district worked hard to follow the covid rules, while those in McCarthy's district didn't and just flaunted the rules ?
What are the rules ?https://www.bakersfield.com/news/anti-government-shutdown-protest-springs-up-in-downtown-bakersfield/article_0a29a7cc-8bf4-11ea-b309-279e877a83b2.html
Anything to do with demographics like ethnicity, wages or salary, poverty level, education level ?
Or is it just that the people in Pelosi's district worked hard to follow the covid rules, while those in McCarthy's district didn't and just flaunted the rules ?
Just getting back from a trip down south, and the difference was stark. Almost everywhere I went, probably 95% of black people and 80-85% of people of other non-white races were wearing masks everywhere, and probably 5-10% of white people were wearing masks when not required (and only about 75% of them were wearing masks when required).
I haven’t said this lately, but fuck Republicans for making coronavirus prevention a political issue. I don’t know whether it’s ever forgivable.
If I didn't know you lived in frosty Minnesota I'd think your brain melted
😂 yeH it was definitely pubs making it a political issue 😂Yes, it was.
Yes, it was.
Jesus you're so intensely stupid.
If I didn't know you lived in frosty Minnesota I'd think your brain meltedI will freely admit my brain is not what I used to be.
Maybe he is a Soviet bot? If there is anything I've learned over the past few years, it is that projection is a thing with those espousing the right-wing talking points.
😂 yeH it was definitely pubs making it a political issue 😂Non-political scientists said people should wear a mask and social distance.
I will freely admit my brain is not what I used to be.
Here are the latest Kern County coronavirus death percentages that I see.
58% Hispanic.
Nationally, it's under 20%.
66% over 65 years old.
Nationally, it's about 80%.
"Kern ranked number one for the value of agricultural products in 2016, across the nation, generating $7.2 billion. One in five jobs is related to the agricultural industry, from farmer to hauler, and farm workers. A significant provider of crops, Kern is home to more than 300 commodities) generating: 75% of the state’s carrots production; 47% of the state’s cherry production (9th in the nation); and 46% of the state’s potato production. Kern’s top commodities in 2016 were: grapes, almonds, citrus, pistachios, and milk.
Or, maybe I'll just go with this.
https://www.first5kern.org/about-us/about-kern/
"Compared to the population of the nation as a whole, Kern residents are (in general) younger, less educated, have lower income and are more likely to be Hispanic."
Non-political scientists said people should wear a mask and social distance.
Democrats said, “Hey, let’s listen to the scientists, since they are the only ones who actually know WTF they’re talking about.”
Republicans saw an opportunity to make basic human decency and simple disease prevention techniques an issue of “freedom” for political points.
Yes, it was absolutely the Republicans who made this a political issue.
Non-political scientists said people should wear a mask and social distance.
Democrats said, “Hey, let’s listen to the scientists, since they are the only ones who actually know WTF they’re talking about.”
Republicans saw an opportunity to make basic human decency and simple disease prevention techniques an issue of “freedom” for political points.
Yes, it was absolutely the Republicans who made this a political issue.
I see - it's not the Republicans, it's all them dumb mexicans.I've dealt with plenty of Hispanics. I've always viewed them as hard working and honest. If you want to refer to them as dumb, that's your prerogative.
All those dumb mexicans died in the meat packing plants in Minnesota and South Dakota because they were just too damn dumb, not because their rich white employers didn't give a crap.
Sonoma County is 26% Hispanic. 90%+ work in front line jobs - mostly agriculture. 65 deaths per 100k, Kern is 155
Sonoma County full Vaccination rate - 53%
Kern County Vaccination rate - 29%
The hispanic population in Sonoma County has a massive vaccination rate - most wineries had vaccination drives on site - basically "hey everyone, take a break, come over here and get your vaccine. If you end up feeling unwell after, take a day off". Were the Resnicks doing that? Unlikely.
Most of the Nine Cities had evening and weekend vaccination sites with heavy hispanic outreach because much of the hispanic population cannot make it to clinics during the business hours that the hispanic population is in large part at work. They did heavy outreach to make it clear there was no cost, since much of the hispanic population is non/under insured.
Additionally, Sonoma County (and the whole bay area) did huge vaccination outreach to the homeless population, my cycling club is mostly retired folks so they did a lot of the volunteer manpower for that effort. That's a really hard problem because a lot of the homeless population is so messed up that documentation is very scattered.
This isn't about the individuals in those counties per se, it comes down to leadership, which is a function of the primarily white voters who put the local leadership into place, in both counties.
I've dealt with plenty of Hispanics. I've always viewed them as hard working and honest. If you want to refer to them as dumb, that's your prerogative.
Nonetheless, Hispanics have been hit by coronavirus disproportionately hard.
Minnesota and South Dakota meat-packing plant issues were from early in the pandemic.
I thought you were comparing Pelosi's district vs McCarthy's. Then it was Kern county. Now it's Sonoma county.
I thought they required all Illinois students to take Rhetoric. The "dumb Mexicans" was written to put the words into your mouth, as you indicated that Kern County has bad covid numbers because of the Hispanic population, after I attributed it to leadership, personified in the form of Kevin McCarthy, the Representative of CA-23, which is for all intents and purposes Kern County.From the CDC re demographics and mortality and censusreporter re demographics.
I made a comparison of Pelosi's district vs McCarthy's as an example of leadership. When *you* changed the focus to imply that it has nothing to do with leadership, but the Hispanic population, I gave a counter example of a County which has a high Hispanic population but which has not had the same high COVID numbers seen in Kern. Your implication that it's a function of race, not leadership, is countered by that data - and data that shows that COVID numbers track very closely nationwide with the percentages that Trump received in the election, regardless of racial demographic.
As for me swapping from Pelosi's district to Sonoma County, which is primarily within Jared Huffman's district, Huffman is *way* to left of Pelosi, making the point more valid, not less.
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Huh. I thought it was Mike Thompson.The county is split, Thompson has a chunk of East County, they City of Sonoma and a lot of Santa Rosa, Huffman has the rest
Nice try.
How Conspiracy Theorists Get the Scientific Method Wrong
https://elephantinthelab.org/how-conspiracy-theorists-get-the-scientific-method-wrong/
Conspiracy theories in science
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2897118/
Conspiracy theories
https://www.newscientist.com/definition/conspiracy-theories/
There is no shortage of science worshippers who don’t understand the scientific method either
From the CDC re demographics and mortality and censusreporter re demographics.
Pelosi's district is 32% Asian and 22% Hispanic.
McCarthy's district is 5% Asian and 41% Hispanic
I don't believe I implied that it had nothing to do with leadership. Hispanics, blacks, the aged, the obese and diabetics have elevated mortality risk factors.
Or are you just pissed that McCarthy said Fauci needs to go ?
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(https://i.imgur.com/kVTEVar.png)Science is always subject to question.
Your summary. They died because they were mexicans.Surprisingly, none of these mention U.S. Congressional representative as being a factor.
Your risk factors concept is bullshit. Vaccination rates don't have anything to do with obesity. Vaccination rates are positively correlated with mask wearing, distancing, etc...
And no matter the other factors, you can't die of COVID if you aren't infected with COVID - the case rates are substantially higher in Kern than any Bay Area county
Delta Variant May Be More Severe
“The coronavirus variant driving India’s devastating Covid-19 second wave is the most infectious to emerge so far. Doctors now want to know if it’s also more severe.”
“Hearing impairment, severe gastric upsets and blood clots leading to gangrene, symptoms not typically seen in Covid patients, have been linked by doctors in India to the so-called delta variant. In England and Scotland, early evidence suggests the strain — which is also now dominant there — carries a higher risk of hospitalization.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-07/gangrene-hearing-loss-point-to-delta-variant-being-more-severe?sref=nXmOg68r
India’s Covid-19 death tally surged by a record 6,148 fatalities yesterday.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-10/india-s-bihar-state-nearly-doubles-covid-death-toll-to-9-429?srnd=premium&sref=nXmOg68r
Quite a tragedy.
It's also a side effect of not getting vaccinated.
https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/2-passengers-on-first-100-vaccinated-north-american-cruise-test-positive-for-covid-19/
2 passengers on first 100% vaccinated North American cruise test positive for COVID-19
Why anyone would go on a cruise PRE-COVID always baffled me.
Why anyone would go on a cruise PRE-COVID always baffled me.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/covid-19-vaccine-myocarditis-heart-inflammation-cdc/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e
No big deal im sure
I got the J&J chip today
I heard LA has more homeless people now than Champaign has people total. What about the have nots, smurph ?
Not even close.
66k to 88k... getting thereYou're comparing LA county to Champaign city.
You're comparing LA county to Champaign city.
Another example of your analytical skills.
Delta. A COVID variant gift which keeps giving:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/16/who-says-delta-covid-variant-has-now-spread-to-80-countries-and-it-keeps-mutating.html
Glad were at a point in history where we are tracking virus mutations like a baseball season
Reality-based people have been doing it for a lot of points in history. It's just another of the things you don't know.
This fucking guy was doing it a hundred fucking years ago for fuck sake.
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The WHO.
We'll find that pangolin, or whatever it was. It may take years, and we expect China to cooperate.
More contagious.
More severe (⬆️hospitalization risk).
Lower vaccine efficacy/neutralization—1 dose just not enough.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/557799-who-official-delta-variant-poised-to-take-hold-in-europe
Pay attention.
Reality-based people have been doing it for a lot of points in history. It's just another of the things you don't know.
This fucking guy was doing it a hundred fucking years ago for fuck sake.
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just imagine if the 24 hour click cycle didn't exist
in fact just imagine how amazing the world would be without marketing and advertising
Covid's not over, but...
just imagine if the 24-hour click cycle didn’t exist, you wouldn’t have anything to post in Clown World.
in fact just imagine how amazing the world would be without conspiracy-minded folks like you.
yeah how dare anyone question anything... I should just OBEY
right?
pretty sure everything I post in clown world is factual, or at least close to factual
thats what makes it so funny... like a clown
“But, but…I’m just asking questions!” The “Trojan horse” battle cry of disinformers and conspiracy theorists.
No, you’re not “asking questions.” You’re spreading false information, seeds of doubt and unfounded suspicions.
Rarely, do you accept the evidence presented or respond to a factual answer. That’s because your’re not interested in learning an answer. Your “questions” are designed to muddy the truth, not bring it to light.
“But, but…I’m just asking questions!” The “Trojan horse” battle cry of disinformers and conspiracy theorists.
No, you’re not “asking questions.” You’re spreading false information, seeds of doubt and unfounded suspicions.
Rarely, do you accept the evidence presented or respond to a factual answer. That’s because your’re not interested in learning an answer. Your “questions” are designed to muddy the truth, not bring it to light.
"At the time, it was scarier to be associated with Trump and to become a tool for racists, so people didn't want to publicly call for an investigation into lab origins," she said.
Asking questions about political science is the sane thing to do
I mean look at this article for fucks sakes
https://news.yahoo.com/science-around-lab-leak-theory-204525152.html
Asking questions about hard science isn't something I'm doing here... but you still should do anyway
and about 90% of the posts here on the deuce are trolling from me anyway, I'm not spreading anything but LOLs
Asking questions about political science is the sane thing to do
I mean look at this article for fucks sakes
https://news.yahoo.com/science-around-lab-leak-theory-204525152.html
Asking questions about hard science isn't something I'm doing here... but you still should do anyway
and about 90% of the posts here on the deuce are trolling from me anyway, I'm not spreading anything but LOLs
I'm Delta-averse, so I'd be wearing one the whole time.
But that's a gang of vaccinated people modeling behavior for their unvaccinated constituents. Lots of countries don't have the access we have.
Hey Q, did you get the jab?
I got sicker from the vaccine than I did from actually having COVID.
Rob you’re probably more likely to contract an illness from dumpster diving than get seriously ill from COVID.
Thing is, you can protect yourself from becoming ill from either of them.
Or not.
Your immune response to the vaccine shows that your body had seen the pathogens before. It's the same reason some people reacted to the second jab but not the first.
Rice is cheap.
Rice is cheap.
You missed the main ingredient in chipotleAnd all along I thought chipotle *was* an ingredient
Onions
I'm Delta-averse, so I'd be wearing one the whole time.
But that's a gang of vaccinated people modeling behavior for their unvaccinated constituents. Lots of countries don't have the access we have.
Hey Q, did you get the jab?
cmon gramps get with the times, we're on the lambda variant now
Now don't try and bring facts to the table when debating with a branch covidian...
Hey Q97, have you been vaccinated?
You claim to be a scientist.
So after leaving the metro area for the first time since the statewide restrictions were lifted and seeing how quickly mask use was more or less abandoned in areas where we know vax rates aren't that high, I'm pretty sure this is setting up to a bloodbath if the nastier variants circulate at higher volumes in more mid-sized cities and leaders are reluctant to put restrictions back in place.Vax rates aren't that high anywhere.
You'd think conservative white people would want to keep their numbers high, but flunking a pandemic isn't really going to do it.
Maybe ask this guy some serious questions about his 3 way phone call on Jan 31,2020 with Kristian Andersen and Jeremy Farrar.
Maybe ask this guy about how many of the 4 billion deaths may have been "avoidable and preventable".
"Anthony Fauci on Sunday lamented the “avoidable and preventable” deaths among people who are unvaccinated against the coronavirus now that vaccines are widely available in the United States.
“It's really sad and tragic that most all of these are avoidable and preventable,” Fauci said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/04/fauci-avoidable-covid-deaths-unvaccinated-people-497999
Someone needs to start a poll on who can virtue signal the hardest
Not sure what the one has to do with getting the vaccine.Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
Did he get vaccinated?
You're exhibiting obsessive behavior
That's not very healthy for the old immune system
A New Jersey man has filed a $1 trillion class action lawsuit accusing former President Donald Trump of failing to protect Americans from excess deaths due to the COVID-19 epidemic.
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
Don't ask why the world needs vaccines.
It's the fault of a pangolin somewhere.
Get the vaccine and we can all go on our merry way some day.
We'll keep looking for that pangolin tho.
Excuse me if I get a little pissed.
Someone needs to start a poll on who can virtue signal the hardestVirtue signaling is annoying, but not as annoying as people who can’t tell the difference between “virtue signaling” and just trying to get other people to be decent human beings and not big dumb idiots.
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Believe CNN this time
I still want him to admit it, though.
You're exhibiting obsessive behaviorI'll say that you aren't required to say anything about your vaccination status.
That's not very healthy for the old immune system
You may, or may not, be conflating 2 issues. 1. Is The COVID man made and was released from a lab? and 2. Is The COVID just another virus out there that was being studied in a lab and escaped via an afflicted worker?We'll never find out what happened. That's the idea. Let's focus on people who refuse to get vaccinated, requiring kids to receive an 'approved for emergency use' vaccine, people who have had the virus and acquired immunity but are unvaccinated, or asympotomatic people walking around with sufficient viruses crawling around in their noses to trigger a positive test.
Which one are you focusing on these days? Or both?
Where's that?
mmm yeah thanks, I'll trust what the human body has come up with over millions of years of evolution vs. a rushed out in a few months vaccine
ever take a biology course in college? T-cells and antibodies are one of the more novice subjects, shame that the CDC doesn't have anyone there that studied this phenomenon from novel coronaviruses over the years
I am willing to bet a lot of money that they will find out afterwards that immunity lasts a long fucking time, I do find it funny how the tables have changed from the original message in november 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/health/coronavirus-immunity.html
We'll never find out what happened. That's the idea. Let's focus on people who refuse to get vaccinated, requiring kids to receive an 'approved for emergency use' vaccine, people who have had the virus and acquired immunity but are unvaccinated, or asympotomatic people walking around with sufficient viruses crawling around in their noses to trigger a positive test.
A year and a half, and the world has no idea how this happened but we're being told we have to worry about Jack and Jill down the street who had the virus and don't see the need for a vaccination.
A possibility: gain of function research that was being done in lab in China that our State Dept was told was unsafe and we were involved in the funding and the bypassing of protocol in the funding.
Hopefully, this was at worst a leak that was accidental.
But let's worry about Jack and Jill and 97.
gmafb
Here you go, Rob.
We'll never find out what happened. That's the idea. Let's focus on people who refuse to get vaccinated, requiring kids to receive an 'approved for emergency use' vaccine, people who have had the virus and acquired immunity but are unvaccinated, or asympotomatic people walking around with sufficient viruses crawling around in their noses to trigger a positive test.
A year and a half, and the world has no idea how this happened but we're being told we have to worry about Jack and Jill down the street who had the virus and don't see the need for a vaccination.
A possibility: gain of function research that was being done in lab in China that our State Dept was told was unsafe and we were involved in the funding and the bypassing of protocol in the funding.
Hopefully, this was at worst a leak that was accidental.
But let's worry about Jack and Jill and 97.
gmafb
and not big dumb idiots.
You don't think you need to worry about Jack and Jill now, and the rest can be figured out later? Figuring out the Genesis of this is not going to help Jack and Jill now.They've got you bamboozled. The people who have made it a point of not finding out what happened and censored, deplatformed and/or labelled conspiracy theorists for the last year and a half are not going to change their stripes.
I agree it is important to figure out what happened here, but getting things under control was a little more pressing.
They've got you bamboozled. The people who have made it a point of not finding out what happened and censored, deplatformed and/or labelled conspiracy theorists for the last year and a half are not going to change their stripes.
They know what caused this. They get Intel. They can walk and chew gum. They want you to think they can't.
They can walk and chew gum. They want you to think they can't.
Yeah, it is long and I didn't use the quote function....TY. Where is this from ? And when ?
Since early 2020, when COVID-19 began its rapid spread around the world, we’ve been told that everyone must “follow the science.” But science is a method, not a monolith. Scientific assertions change with the arrival of new information. Science resists dogma and tribalism. Some of these principles seemed to get lost in the aftermath of the arrival of COVID-19 and the policy response that ensued.
Early in the pandemic, I began following on Twitter a number of distinguished public health professionals who increasingly had views that questioned the public health “consensus” that long-term mass lockdowns and school closures were crucial for stopping the spread of COVID-19. They were advocating for more targeted protection of the most vulnerable while allowing other parts of society to continue functioning. They raised questions about the reluctance to modify restrictions in the face of new data. They said that many people were harmed while the most comfortable were cosseted.
I got together with three of them recently on Zoom to discuss what was right and what was wrong about our policies, and what lessons the public health profession should learn from the pandemic. All are physicians and hold master’s degrees in public health. They are:
Monica Gandhi, a professor of medicine at the University of California San Francisco School of Medicine. Her expertise includes infectious diseases, epidemiology, and biostatistics;
Vinay Prasad, an associate professor in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California San Francisco. He is a hematologist-oncologist;
Stefan Baral, an associate professor in the Department of Epidemiology at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.
All described themselves as people of the left, but they spoke of their concern about how politically polarized their profession became during the pandemic, and how this—and other issues—should be addressed before the inevitable next public health crisis.
[The conversation has been edited for concision and clarity.]
Emily Yoffe: In the U.S., is the pandemic over?
Monica Gandhi: I think that the public health emergency is over. And what that means is that hospitals are in no way overwhelmed. In the U.S., I think the question is going to be: When do you downgrade it from an epidemic to an endemic? Epidemic means it causes excess hospitalizations; it’s a problem for the healthcare system. And endemic means you are just going to live with these low rates of a viral infection. And I think we’re getting very close to it being endemic. I think at this point, tracking hospitalizations and deaths is the right approach. And understanding that “zero COVID,” or complete eradication of an infectious disease, is likely not achievable.
Vinay Prasad: I think the worst is over. The better way to judge how much of a public health threat is happening is the number of people who are hospitalized, the number of people who are dying. And maybe cases won't be the best metric going forward, because many people might have mild, very mild infections.
EY: When you say we should look at hospitalizations, not cases, I think for a lot of the public that is not a clear distinction. For more than a year, we’ve been seeing a running banner of cases on cable news. I think a lot of people think that means serious illnesses. Can you explain the difference between cases and hospitalizations, and elaborate on why the emphasis on cases is not a good idea?
VP: A case is really anybody who, for whatever reason—whether they're going to Hawaii on vacation, or whether they have a runny nose, or whether they're really sick—had the swab inserted, and the swab came back PCR-positive for SARS-CoV-2. So it’s a huge gamut from somebody who didn’t even know they had COVID-19, to somebody who may have mild symptoms, all the way to somebody who’s in the hospital.
Stefan Baral: We teach this in class: An epidemic is when you have more cases than you would otherwise expect. What’s going to have to happen is ensuring that we’re adjusting our expectations, so that we can make decisions in a thoughtful way. In the U.S. there should be an expectation that there will be increased cases of COVID-19 come this winter. But if we say that we expect the same number of cases that are happening now to be happening in December, and then cases go up, we’re going to declare that we’re right back in the thick of it. I worry that yo-yo-based approaches are going to be very difficult for people, and would suggest we update our expectations with a focus on actual health outcomes, and not just test results.
EY: If you three were tasked with writing the after-action report for your profession about the lessons we need to learn from our response to COVID-19, what are the major ones?
SB: We applied a uniform intervention strategy to something that was disproportionately affecting particular communities. We locked down society, but transmission doesn’t happen at the level of society: It happens at the level of households and workplaces. And we didn’t really do a lot in those places, so a lot of the workplaces declared “essential” continued, and we didn’t provide those people options in terms of their households. For example, we could have made temporary living spaces available, especially for people in multi-generational households.
With HIV, we don’t provide pre-exposure prophylaxis to everybody. We don’t provide birth control to 70-year-old women. We have targeted interventions for folks who really will benefit from them. And we just didn’t do that here, to the harm of all of us.
VP: Another great failure is that we didn’t learn a lot. We did so many different interventions, but we didn’t actually study many of them. For example, there are still questions about how much to wear masks, and under what circumstances. We don’t know much more about that than when the pandemic began.
The other kind of failure is the cultural failure, which I view as several interlocking things. One is when you have a very polarizing political figure making statements, some of the response from the public health community was to oppose the polarizing figure because he’s polarizing, not necessarily because what he says is always wrong. As bad as Trump is, as much as I personally disliked him, he was probably right on opening schools.
I think the social media environment was an abject failure. If you had the same pandemic without social media, you would have naturally, I think, had a consensus towards centrist risk reduction—a harm reduction philosophy. But in the era of social media, it’s so easily skewed into two diametric policy positions, both unhelpful. One [extreme] was that the virus doesn’t exist, or “it’s just the flu, bro”—a totally bizarre and farcical view. And the other extreme was, all you needed to do to exterminate the virus was for everyone to be a good person and wear their N-95 mask for four weeks and we get to zero COVID.
The last thing I would say is sort of a core failure is Zoom. I think many people think Zoom is what liberated us—were it not for Zoom, how bad would this pandemic have been? But my counterfactual is different. Zoom allowed a lot of upper-middle-class white-collar people the ability to work and make money and not lose their jobs, and to exclude themselves from society. That fundamentally changed the pandemic. If you went back 15 years ago, and you didn’t have Zoom, you would be facing unprecedented layoffs of wealthy, upper-middle-class people. I think a lot of businesses would have had staggered schedules and improved ventilation. Schools would have pushed to reopen. Amazon Prime and Zoom and all these things in our lives allowed a certain class of people to be spared the pains of COVID-19, taking them out of the game, and making them silent on many of the issues that affected other communities.
MG: I think all three of us on this call are very—well, I describe myself as left of left. But we exacerbated disparities, and we made the rich richer through our approach. And that wasn’t talked about by the left.
EY: You’ve all written and spoken about your concerns about school closures. Can you talk about this and about the legacy of what we’ve done? Are we failing to pay enough attention to the poor, the minority, the rural kids who’ve disappeared from their school systems? You want to be forward-looking, so what do we need to do to address all this?
MG: Children under 14 years old are threefold less likely to get the virus than adults. If they get exposed, they are one-half as likely as adults to spread it. And they have profoundly less severe outcomes. Those three points are facts, and you can’t argue them away. And because of those facts, let’s just be clear that we did close schools to protect adults, when we had other ways to protect adults through the mitigation strategies of masking, distancing, and ventilation. So, in terms of the schools question and long-term legacies, there are two aspects. One is that 3 million children have already been estimated to have never logged on during this virtual school year. So that means 3 million at least—who knows if there’s more—just entirely didn’t get an education when school was online. That could have true long-term impacts on your ability to catch up and be a learner later in life. And the second is the mental health impact. We have a paper that we are circulating to journals right now about the increase in suicides among children, while there was a concomitant decrease in adults. So that means something happened with adolescents. But if you talk about school closures having long-term effects, the anger that you're attacked with—well, that’s just a whole other topic.
Being forward-looking, I would declare an emergency in terms of children’s mental health; some states, like Colorado and Connecticut, have put resources into this. I would call that the next emerging emergency: what we did with children. So now it is our duty as a society, if we treasure children, to make it up to them, if we can.
VP: I think one fact that often gets forgotten is we didn’t close schools for everyone, actually. I have many wealthy doctor colleagues, and most of their kids were in school because they just paid the money to send them to a private school that was happy to have the kids in person. The people I know who didn’t have their kids in school are [the ones whose kids go] to public school. The closing of those schools doesn’t have a relationship to the spread of the virus, or the hospitalizations, or the deaths. It’s only really related to the political valence of the town, and the strength of the teachers union. Strong union towns that are left-leaning were far more likely to be closed than right-of-center places that have weaker unions. What sense does that make? That’s certainly not a virus driving that decision. It’s a policy decision. It’s playing politics with kids.
What we’ve done with school closure is that the one tattered, ratty rope ladder to help people rise and to improve their life, their wellbeing—we’ve cut that ladder. I think in the years to come, the stories will come out about what happened to these missing kids. And I think even the most ardent proponents of school closure today will look in the mirror and ask themselves what they had done. What did we do this for? The change in viral spread by closing schools is at best very, very incremental—and to no benefit at all, in some analyses. I hate to say it, but the moment Donald Trump said he was for schools reopening, I think a lot of people turned their brains off, and they opposed it totally to thwart him. And I think that is one of the worst things that has happened.
SB: The lack of socialization is a fundamental concern and risk as it relates to mental health. And then there’s that whole separate dynamic of upward mobility, and it’s scary to see what the effects are going to be. And by the way, that’s going to take ten years to play out—when we start understanding differential achievements of folks, depending on whether they were able or not to continue school.
EY: Let’s talk about models. Some in public health have raised concerns that policymakers relied on alarming and supposedly predictive models that were not predictive, not reliable—and that had an enormous effect of distorting policies. Many people, certainly in the media, treated models as facts, not projections—no matter that many models were proven wrong. What needs to be done going forward regarding using models as the basis of policy?
SB: Historically, mathematical models would get integrated into a framework of evidence. So models can be part of that decision-making process. But using them as a primary form of decision-making concerns me greatly. It’s not that they're all useless. It’s not that they’re perfectly useful. They are useful in their context and interpreted within their limitations. But I think the ones that were media-worthy were indeed the worst ones. There were lots of models being proposed, but the ones that really got covered in The New York Times and The Guardian were ones that were just truly catastrophic. I would say that how we use and integrate models into our decision-making process needs to be one of these elements we assess moving forward.
EY: In early June the Centers for Disease Control issued a report about the increasing COVID-19 hospitalizations among teens, and the head of the CDC said she was deeply concerned and emphasized the need for adolescents to get vaccinated. But critics pointed out that the data they were using was out of date and the statistics about teen hospitalizations actually were not at all alarming. This was cited as an example of officials deliberately misleading the public for virtuous purposes.
MG: That was clearly deliberate, and that’s not the right thing to do. It’s not okay to scare people. Someone asked me recently, “Wouldn’t it decrease the public trust and make you less likely to want to vaccinate your child if you feel manipulated, and that there is a propaganda element to the advice?” And I said, “Yes, a fair human response is to feel distrustful of that.”
VP: I liken it to when [Dr. Anthony] Fauci spoke to Donald McNeil, then of The New York Times, and McNeil asked, “What’s the herd immunity threshold and why do you keep raising it?” And Fauci admitted that he intentionally gave a lower number at first because he didn’t believe the public was ready to hear what he really thinks. I guess a noble lie by definition is when an official withholds some truth or deceives you because they want you to do something that they believe is best. But that’s playing with fire. The moment you get caught once doing it, you’re going to lose a lot of people who will never trust you again. I think these noble lies are one of the greatest poisons in the profession.
EY: Before we put in place a mass lockdown, should there have been more public discussion, and more discussion among public health professionals?
MG: I think actually it was indicated at the very beginning: There was so much that was unknown. But so many people were fighting against Trump that, as it went on, we didn’t look after the interests of who we used to look after on the left, which was the poor. That’s where we went wrong.
SB: If you ask most epidemiologists now, they will say lockdowns are lifesavers for everybody. Over time, it'll be interesting to see how that evolves with more data and more clarity, because we can’t ignore the outcomes of, say, Florida and South Dakota. [Florida’s governor ordered a short lockdown; South Dakota’s governor never issued one.] We’ve seen disconnects where outcomes haven’t been as bad as had been projected from a modeling perspective. It’s not that I agree with the strategy of these states. But we have to at least talk about the fact that there isn’t as clear of a relationship between how much you lock down and the benefit from it.
EY: Lots of media outlets have interviewed many epidemiologists over the course of the pandemic, asking what they are willing to do, and not do, to feel safe. Many have said some version of, “I will never give up my mask. I didn’t get a cold or flu this past year; my kids didn’t get it. Going forward, I’m going to be masking in public and people should use masks and not get sick.” I’ve seen a minority of people saying this approach may not be a good idea because people, and especially kids, have to be exposed to novel viruses to keep their immune systems working. Can you talk about that?
MG: We take risks every day, in everything we do. But we have to put those risks in perspective. I want to address the fear people have that they will get COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated and that’s why they want to continue to mask. Your chance of being in a car accident is higher than your chance of getting sick from COVID-19 after a vaccine. And importantly, when there are low case rates in your community, the risk of your unvaccinated child getting COVID-19 is very low, too. Population immunity means children are so much less likely to be exposed to the virus.
There's a principle in infectious disease that if you avoid all infections, what’s called your microbiome—your degree of diversity of how you respond to other pathogens—is decreased, and it’s actually very important to have some exposure to mild pathogens. I personally want to get some colds. So I won’t be wearing a mask unless someone makes me.
SB: I agree that it is important, particularly youth with their developing immune systems, to be exposed to different pathogens when they’re young and healthy. It’s amazing that this idea has become controversial, but it has. I similarly am not going to wear a mask unless somebody forces me.
EY: Any other points that you think the public and your profession need to know?
SB: We’ve still yet to see a really clearly delineated CDC national plan for a pandemic that has key performance indicators that then can be adapted at the state and local levels. And a year and a half into this, the absence of this kind of plan is hard for me to comprehend. We need to really think about having one of those earlier in the pandemic next time, so that we can make decisions in ways that aren’t so responsive to public pressures and pressures from social media.
TY. Where is this from ? And when ?
Anyone saying anything similar to this before spring of this year was ridiculed, censored or deplatformed.
Wtf is in Zuckerberg's redacted emails to Fauci ? Maybe comments about burying discussions like this ?
One question tho. What happens if the CCP has been working on a more transmissible, targeted or lethal virus while we have twiddled our thumbs for the last year and a half looking for that zoonotic origin ?
Chances are better than not that the zoonotic origin was humanized mice, and not a pangolin.
TY. Where is this from ? And when ?
Anyone saying anything similar to this before spring of this year was ridiculed, censored or deplatformed.
Wtf is in Zuckerberg's redacted emails to Fauci ? Maybe comments about burying discussions like this ?
One question tho. What happens if the CCP has been working on a more transmissible, targeted or lethal virus while we have twiddled our thumbs for the last year and a half looking for that zoonotic origin ?
Chances are better than not that the zoonotic origin was humanized mice, and not a pangolin.
I find it amusing to believe the Chinese designed a virus without already having a vaccine ready.
Our State Dept was warned in 2018 of lax safety measures at the Wuhan lab.
I'm no virologist but I would assume the virus needs to be engineered before a vaccine to effectively combat it can be developed.
What happens if one of those sneaky little viruses walks out the door before the vaccine has been developed ?
Our State Dept was warned in 2018 of lax safety measures at the Wuhan lab.
So you are saying Trump screwed up?You ask too many questions. 🤣
As the text notes, these were professionals who were scorned early on for what they said.
It was an email I received this morning. I get the free emails from:
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They are left-center and think AOC is a dumbass.
As a center leaning person I appreciated that article thanks
Delta burning a path through Trump Country. Springfield MO looking great.
I'm no virologist but I would assume the virus needs to be engineered before a vaccine to effectively combat it can be developed.
What happens if one of those sneaky little viruses walks out the door before the vaccine has been developed ?
Our State Dept was warned in 2018 of lax safety measures at the Wuhan lab.
Yup. And we are still supposedly going to the Ozarks in 3 weeks
I'm no virologist but I would assume the virus needs to be engineered before a vaccine to effectively combat it can be developed.
What happens if one of those sneaky little viruses walks out the door before the vaccine has been developed ?
Our State Dept was warned in 2018 of lax safety measures at the Wuhan lab.
And in the real world ...
"George Gao, the head of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, acknowledged the poor efficacy of China’s vaccines at a conference in April, in what seemed to be an unintentional dissent from the party line."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/06/17/chinas-sinovac-vaccine-under-scrutiny-as-covid-soars-in-highly-vaccinated-countries/?sh=126332b41444
The genetic sequence wasn't released until Jan 2020.
But we better keep looking for that pangolin, because in theory if the virus was engineered there would have been an appropriate vaccine developed beforehand.
Huh?I think Murph is saying that with mRNA, in theory the vaccine can be developed and then a virus can be engineered to be inactivated by the vaccine.
Lab leak hypothesis seems to cover a few possibilities:
Sars-CoV-2 originated in nature. A sample that was collected from a bat or other animal escaped from the lab.
Sars-CoV-2 was accidentally created in the lab via gain of function research.
The virus was intentionally created as a bioweapon.
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😂
https://www.city-journal.org/panic-pandemic?wallit_nosession=1
John Stossel write this?
Why?
Can you kill them?
Take courage. Q97 will probably be infected soon.
I'm sure Q97 is a good egg.
China rejects WHO's plan for further study of Covid-19 origins
“It is impossible for us to accept such an origin-tracing plan,” a senior Chinese health official said Thursday.
Psaki says the White House is "deeply disappointed".
Lol
Unsurprising the Commies don't want anyone sniffing around. Sure we would tell everyone to kiss off if the shoe was on the other foot.We just havent been as direct. We've been maligning an unidentified pangolin for well over a year.
Unsurprising the Commies don't want anyone sniffing around. Sure we would tell everyone to kiss off if the shoe was on the other foot.
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By a vote of 216 to 207 Tuesday evening, Democrats in the House of Representatives blocked consideration of a bill that would require the Director of National Intelligence to declassify information related to the origins of the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic, specifically information about any role the Wuhan Institute of Virology may have played in the pandemic's outbreak.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2021/07/21/house-democrats-block-covid-origins-bill-n2592839?amp=true&__twitter_impression=true
Not sure the reason for this, but maybe they don't want China knowing what we know and how we know it?Maybe they don't want you knowing and how long we've known it.
Maybe they don't want you knowing and how long we've known it.
I tend to doubt that.Are you thinking the Speaker of the House may have had other reasons ?
Are you thinking the Speaker of the House may have had other reasons ?
"I cannot stress enough that this bill is not controversial by any means," Wenstrup continued. "In fact, it passed the Senate in May with unanimous consent — not one senator objected. Not Senators Ted Cruz or Rand Paul, not Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren. If those four members can get on board with this bill, should not we be able to do the same?"
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jul/23/ala-gov-kay-ivey-fumes-over-worst-vaccination-rate/
“It’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. It’s the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down,” she said at a Birmingham event Thursday night that aired by the CBS WIAT affiliate.
“CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses.”
Anybody, included Covid infected, can walk across our southern border. Makes no difference if they're from Guatemala, Haiti or Senegal.
No Cubans tho.
Cubans just might not be prone to vote for socialists.
Get vaccinated, wear a mask, and don't be thinking about those new people who came into town at midnight.
Tough for Cubans to walk across the border.They haven't caught on to "I identify as Haitian" yet.
If you get the vaccine, you won't get Covid ....
Trust the science.
https://unherd.com/2021/07/how-scientists-stifled-the-lab-leak-theory/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9821841/amp/Lancet-accused-sitting-study-showing-human-transmission-Covid-suppressed-China.html?__twitter_impression=true
The vaccine is safe and effective ......
If you get the vaccine, you won't get Covid ....
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1325953672304611330.html
Who said that?Our President.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/564386-white-house-blasts-chinas-dangerous-rejection-of-coronavirus-originsQuite a switch.
The White House on Thursday called China's rejection of a second phase of the World Health Organization's (WHO) investigation into the origins of the coronavirus "irresponsible" and "dangerous."
Our President.
The day after it was announced a WH staffer had the covid.
Just after the DOJ announces they won't investigate N.Y. nursing home deaths.
Fuck you, nbcnewyork.
Trump said it?You one of those "Trump won" conspirators ?
You one of those "Trump won" conspirators ?
I wouldn't have guessed it.
What is there to investigate? They wanted to keep hospital beds open so they sent the people back to spread The COVID in the nursing homes. Not ideal.I'm not sure that was in accordance with CDC guidelines.
I'm not sure that was in accordance with CDC guidelines.
Maybe the directive could have been written a little better.
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If that was the guideline in place at the time, it looks like it was.This is Cuomo's directive.
This is Cuomo's directive.
Nowhere does his directive mention CDC guidelines.
If he was following CDC guidelines, I'm guessing 45 states weren't.
Science is hard.
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/scicheck-fauci-and-paul-round-2/
Science is hard.
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/scicheck-fauci-and-paul-round-2/
Edward C. Holmes mentions the CCP delaying release of the genome. Co-authors the Proximal Origin op-ed.He delayed it for a week after trying to get the Commies to formally release it? Do I have that right?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1419786558530482180
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Science is hard.And Jessica McDonald writes about "baseless conspiracy theories" regarding the lab leak hypothesis on Feb 7, 2020.
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/scicheck-fauci-and-paul-round-2/
So, Mn, are you wondering if this COVID is man made or if it just escaped from the lab?No idea. Man made or an escape are not necessarily either/or. Man made in the name of science and a subsequential accidental escape seems possible.
Way to go unvaccinated assholes!
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/27/cdc-to-reverse-indoor-mask-policy-to-recommend-them-for-fully-vaccinated-people-in-covid-hot-spots.html
why do you hate minorities so much, very racist, not nice!
There is no punchline.
lame attempt at satire?
I wouldn't invite any of you to my parties....
'The virus was bioengineered' is still a baseless conspiracy theory.
It is remotely plausible they isolated a naturally occurring virus in the lab and it "escaped," but that is unlikely.
FYI (for Pthey) this is a joke
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Like everyone else here you really don’t know shit. We are being fed all this material and we tend to cling to what we find most palatable.
You don’t know shit
You probably would not provide clean cups, dishes or utensils to build immunity in your guests.
wouldn't dirty dishes build immunity faster?
I am assuming you are in the attempted joke at this point.
Like everyone else here you really don’t know shit. We are being fed all this material and we tend to cling to what we find most palatable.
Part of my quasi-buddhist practice is to be firmly unattached to fixed views. Yes, the way I phrased that is intentionally ironic.
Way to go unvaccinated assholes!I thought we were protected from unvaccinated assholes 2 weeks after our 2nd dose.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/27/cdc-to-reverse-indoor-mask-policy-to-recommend-them-for-fully-vaccinated-people-in-covid-hot-spots.html
I thought we were protected from unvaccinated assholes 2 weeks after our 2nd dose.
Oh well.
Ask Q97. He's the expert.He knows more than our President ?
He knows more than our President ?
JFC
What are they hiding now??Is the data really based on a non peer-reviewed study in India with respect to a vaccine that isn't available here ?
https://www.chron.com/news/article/Experts-ask-to-see-data-behind-new-policy-16347545.php
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Lol. Did the southern border get closed today ?
Here you go, Mn.Provincetown Mass
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cdc-mask-decision-stunning-findings-cape-cod-beach/story?id=79148102
I stayed in Provincetown in the fall of 2013. I wasn’t previously aware that it was a gay resort town.
Maybe Jobu will want to suck your husband's cock?
I wonder how many of these lambda variants have scurried across our southern border.This is probably the most pressing question across the pantheon of pandemic issues.
Glad you made it back. Now you have to watch out for the chipmunks!
https://ktla.com/news/california/chipmunks-with-plague-prompt-closure-of-some-areas-of-south-lake-tahoe/
If anyone is interested.......
It doesn't look like It's made many news feeds.
The U.S. House Foreign Affairs Commitee report on the origins of coronavirus.
https://t.co/b9LGtKvJYq?amp=1
How about summarizing it? I don't want to download and have to think for myself.I only glanced thru it, but it may very well be that .....
The research was being done at bsl2 and bsl 3 levels. Bsl2 is similar to a DDS office level.I think we all could have guessed that ...
I only glanced thru it, but it may very well be that .....
Gain of function research was being done on bat samples from the mine.
The research involved techniques to cover up manipulations.
The research was being done at bsl2 and bsl 3 levels. Bsl2 is similar to a DDS office level.
Poor safety measures, which we were warned of, led to the outbreak in Wuhan.
The World Military Games were held in Wuhan in the fall of 2019 in a Wuhan ghost town. The participants were told the ghost town environment was for their own safety.
Remember when the CCP told the world that our military brought the virus to Wuhan ? That was before the pangolin did it story.
The WMG participants got the virus and went back to their countries with the virus.
Ok. So should we nuke China as a result?Nah. Now you're not being realistic.
How about summarizing it? I don't want to download and have to think for myself.
MIAMI (CBSMiami) — Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis doubled down Tuesday in defending his actions and his ban of mask mandates just as the state once again broke its record for COVID-19 hospitalizations.
During an event at Shark Valley in the Everglades, DeSantis gave a reporter a terse response when he was asked about seven children at Joe DiMaggio Children’s Hospital with COVID, two in the ICU. The question was could masks have helped?
“You’re blaming the kids saying they weren’t wearing masks so they’re in the ICU. With all due respect, I find that deplorable to blame a victim who ends up being hospitalized,” said DeSantis.
He never did give his thoughts on whether he thought masks would have helped.
“This has been a really negative thing throughout this whole thing, with some of these, quote, experts, some of the media, somebody can contract a highly transmissible airborne virus and they’re viewed as having done something wrong. That’s just not the way you do it,” he added.
This comes after DeSantis banned all school districts in the state from imposing mask mandates saying he wants to let parents to decide whether children will masks in schools. His Executive Order also empowers the state to deny funding to any districts that don’t comply.
Michael Osterholm. Biden's Covid team.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1422261427210006541
I better start double masking again on the Blue Line.Fauci said the same thing about masks in early 2020.
I note he also said cloth masks or cloth masking.
Sounds like I should go back to my homemade shop towel double masks. Those blocked out the cigarette smoke on the Blue Line cars.
Sounds to me like maybe he should get a second opinion.
I mean, if he’s saying he has this disease, that fucks with his immune system, yet he had Covid and was fine, I think I’ll go ahead and call bullshit.
its extremely rare that covid causes much more than that unless you're over 60 years old and fat
Julian Barre syndrome is one of the listed side effects of the vax so he's probably doing the right thing
This is why we’re never getting out of this.
There have been rare cases of GBS connected with the viral vector vaccines. Not with the mRNA vaccines.
https://www.who.int/news/item/26-07-2021-statement-of-the-who-gacvs-covid-19-subcommittee-on-gbs
Government and the lunatics on twitter are the reason we're never getting out of this
We need to figure out a way to track Q97's illness & death. How can we keep tabs on him after he's lost the ability to post?
If I even get severe covid symptoms (unlikely as I probably have natural immunity considering my whereabouts over the last year and a half, and my functioning immune system has always been good to me) what are the odds of a healthy 40 year old... might have a better chance playing the lotto you stupid fat fuck
Is there anybody who could post updates on your deterioration? Like Reggie's nephew did?
Okay, so after a week without hearing from Q, we'll start scouring the Reno news for obits regarding a 40 year old who got a science degree from the UIUC in 2003 and whose hobbies were guns and crocheting Trump figurines.
97 making some solid points but will the brainwashed waver? Of course not.
We all should be practicing headshots for the zombie apocalypse?
If you're not you're not welcome on my team!
Well, Headshot was a great poster on the HQOG.
Jobu making some solid points, but will the brainwashed waver? Of course not.
The funny part is Q97 accidentally revealing that he knows nothing about guns.
You don't use a shotgun for a headshot.
You don't use a shotgun for a headshot.
But a bunch of little holes in their faces oughta scare 'em off, yah?
Dude you moved to Reno
despite the you know; lifetime of bad decision making for their own health, they are super virtuous for getting that experimental gene therapy, good job!
I do find it hilarious that a bunch of fat fucks suddenly care about other people's health
despite the you know; lifetime of bad decision making for their own health, they are super virtuous for getting that experimental gene therapy, good job!
https://twitter.com/pkedrosky/status/1423655708881350656
Air quality in Lake Tahoe area is some of the worst in the world this morning as smoke from northern California fires drifts south, as predicted.
Will Q97 make a good decision for his own health and leave the area temporarily to avoid the smoke?
I wonder if he has any friends.
https://twitter.com/pkedrosky/status/1423655708881350656
Air quality in Lake Tahoe area is some of the worst in the world this morning as smoke from northern California fires drifts south, as predicted.
Will Q97 make a good decision for his own health and leave the area temporarily to avoid the smoke?
I have lots of friends that are huge dipshits. It's a weakness.
I consider you my friend.
If none of your friends are dipshits, then you are the dipshit. Right?
I have lots of friends that are huge dipshits. It's a weakness.
I consider you my friend.
Nah but will stay in side with my air purifier cranked for the next day or two... this is nothing compared to last September where it was like this for weeks on end... blech
sucks I can't get outside but whatever, wish this shit would happen during the week rather than the weekend
What are you wearing?
The combination of black lung and covid-DELTA will provide an outstanding entertainment opportunity for those of us reading along.
Hey Q, have you sung in any choirs recently? Any good mosh pits nearby?
I'm trying to figure out how we can get you out of the house, to be with your people.
Sturgis maybe?
A vintage Journey tee and dad jeans
That was you?
40 year old anti-tax libertarian conservative who left Illinois identifies favorably with 40 year old anti-tax libertarian conservative who left Illinois.
Film at 11.
Least shocking news of the day: Rizzo has The COVID. Will miss the Iowa Field of Dreams game.
So who here passed on the vax?
I got sicker from the vaccine than I did from actually having COVID.
Rob you’re probably more likely to contract an illness from dumpster diving than get seriously ill from COVID.
Torn. I like the dude. A lot. Hope he gets miserably sick.Guy went the quickest from being one of my favorite Cubs to being in the discard pile. Sosa at least was a slow burn.
I had forgotten you had the common side effect to the vaccine for those who had The COVID. I'm losing my touch.Wait til you get older. You aint seen nothing yet.
Been a while since I’ve seen someone bust out “assmunch”
Not sure that’s a derogatory term these days and might actually be a form of flattery.
So Mn doesn't know that weekend (and specifically Sunday) data reporting lags midweek data to such an extent that you might be tempted to believe that state employees don't work on weekends.
Color me surprised. But only with grey crayons.
Guy went the quickest from being one of my favorite Cubs to being in the discard pile. Sosa at least was a slow burn.
https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021/08/09/florida-sets-another-covid-case-record-as-hospitals-face-sheer-exhaustion/
Florida requests 300 ventilators from federal government as COVID cases keep rising
Hospitals face ‘sheer exhaustion’
Federal government's response should be: "Fuck you, unvaxxed and unmasked assholes. Pound salt."
Who buys rounds? We abandoned the British on purpose for fuck's sake.
Who buys rounds? We abandoned the British on purpose for fuck's sake.
while satisfying, it would be a net negative, as Floridians aren't all locked down in their state, and one way or the other, we'd have to pay
That's pretty much the GOP playbook, they're like your cheap roommate in college when you go out with a group of four and they angle to be the person buying the fourth round, and they slam the third beer and say "oh, I got an early class, I better go home". They know you can't really dump them, so you just have to deal with it.
Been a while since I’ve seen someone bust out “assmunch”
Not sure that’s a derogatory term these days and might actually be a form of flattery.
I think it’s a wonderful thing that eating ass has been largely de-stigmatized.Ain't nobody can eat 50 asses
I think it’s a wonderful thing that eating ass has been largely de-stigmatized.
Ain't nobody can eat 50 asses
Didn't the one lady who worked for the Florida health department get fired for leaking the actual numbers instead of just posting lies like they ordered her to post?
people who aren't poor?So just buy the fucking drinks. The expectation of reciprocity is idiotic. Maybe the roommate doesn't want a third.
This one time after a Braggin' Rights game, I was waiting for a late-night Megabus with three other people, all of them fairly young.
We got a text update saying the bus was still an hour away. So I suggested we go in the nearby pub. I bought a round for everyone. It cheered us all up.
Then, one of them (a slender, vaguely foreign female) went up to the bar and got one more for herself.
She didn't offer to get something for anyone else.
You of all people should know not to expect young Mega Bus users to buy drinks for others.And there's nothing about my sordid tale which might possibly suggest that I did.
This one time after a Braggin' Rights game, I was waiting for a late-night Megabus with three other people, all of them fairly young.
We got a text update saying the bus was still an hour away. So I suggested we go in the nearby pub. I bought a round for everyone. It cheered us all up.
Then, one of them (a slender, vaguely foreign female) went up to the bar and got one more for herself.
She didn't offer to get something for anyone else.
Yeah, I’ve never been into buying rounds. Pitchers, sure but not rounds of drinks. Buy your own shit.
So just buy the fucking drinks. The expectation of reciprocity is idiotic. Maybe the roommate doesn't want a third.
True. But I can buy a pitcher of bud light much cheaper than I can buy mixed drinks.
I used to love when my old friends from Chicago would come down to visit. They were so used to spending shitloads of money up there. When they came down, they were like holy shit everything is so fucking cheap! Fuck it I’ll buy, put your money away! This is great!
I was like, you don’t have to buy my drinks. But they always talked me into it. Lol
Why would you ever buy a pitcher of Bud Light? No wonder no one wants to drink with you.
Or mixed drinks for that matter
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You actually think this is clever?
Is this a rhetorical question?
It brings up a valid point
at least two people here have seen that now
It brings up a valid point
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Maybe we should have closed the southern border.
A long time ago.
potentially exposed! Oh no!
I'll go help clean up the piles of dead child bodies in the hallways right after this post.
Not sure the kid just came over the border, amigo.What the parent did was wrong.
What the parent did was wrong.
Covid comes across the southern border every day. Nobody says a word.
You must be reading the wrong Republicans on The Twitter and The Blogs.
Is there covid coming across the border?
What the parent did was wrong.
Covid comes across the southern border every day. Nobody says a word.
Fox News scapegoats illegal immigrants for the increase in red state cases pretty much every day.
Is there covid coming across the border?
I can't wait to celebrate one of the southern governors in the Death thread.
Is that why Florida now has more cases than NY ever did? All the Mexicans and Central Americans crossing into Florida?
Fox News says Joe Biden is shipping them to Florida.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-covid-19-hospitalizations-for-30-to-39-year-olds-at-record-rate-11628938800
New Covid-19 Hospitalizations for 30- to 39-Year-Olds at Record Rate
Super.
The rate at which adults ages 30 to 39 are entering hospitals with Covid-19 reached about 2.5 per 100,000 people as of last Wednesday, according to the latest data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Department of Health and Human Services, up from the pervious peak of "roughly" 2 per 100,000 people in early January
how do you not read that and laugh at the absurdity of the article
oh no!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox4news.com/news/no-pediatric-icu-beds-left-in-north-texas-region-hospital-official-says.amp
I'm sure Q97 will tell us how this is actually a good thing.
well considering there's only 73 beds in an area of 9 million people, maybe they should add a few more....In other words, we need socialized medicine. That's what you're saying, yes?
how do you not read that and laugh at the absurdity of the articleI suppose it depends on how stupid and/or sociopathic you are.
In other words, we need socialized medicine. That's what you're saying, yes?
I suppose it depends on how stupid and/or sociopathic you are.
Going so well. And the answer is to add ventilators instead of people getting the vaccine. How fucking stupid can you be? (We know the answer, we see it here every day.)
https://apnews.com/article/health-coronavirus-pandemic-5e56dc3f817e3eaca1f48511c3be8549
Virus claims more young victims as deaths climb yet again
I know you're frustrated. It can't be easy.
Maybe you should get out among the people. Make some new friends and rekindle some old relationships.
A charismatic evangelical gathering, perhaps. Or maybe just a good old-fashioned night out at a club with the young ladies.
You deserve it.
Dagan McDowell of Fox belittled a double mask mandate. She sneered and basically said if one mask doesn't work; why would2?\
It is called science. A layered cloth or paper mask provides an effective barrier for respiratory droplets that can carry the virus that causes covid-19. More layers are better, hence double masking.
Ordinary cloth or paper masks hsve limited vale as protection, because they don't block the airborne virus. However, they still reduce the risk of contracting covid from inhaling respiratory droplets. Also, they are thought to be effective at preventing the spread of the virus before it can become airborne.
You're not really this stupid. So, why are you acting like it?
This is what your hero the orange cheeto would say.
I don't think it's possible to put on 20 masks.
Here's my stance. If I want to go to a business, or anywhere else, and they ask me to wear a mask, I'll wear a fucking mask. It's really not a big deal.
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why stop at 2? why not 20? That would be even more effective right?
Nichi just posterized Q97.
I don't think it's possible to put on 20 masks.
Here's my stance. If I want to go to a business, or anywhere else, and they ask me to wear a mask, I'll wear a fucking mask. It's really not a big deal.
no, these very profitable hospitals should plan betterThese "very profitable hospitals" <citation needed> literally were part of an infrastructure giving out vaccines for free, and they have been telling people how to avoid this exact scenario for a year and a half.
I live closer to Memphis than Q does to Vegas.
Kansas City, too.
I live closer to Memphis than Q does to Vegas.
Kansas City, too.
Answer the fucking question!
I wore 3 masks on the Blue Line today.
I live closer to Memphis than Q does to Vegas.
Kansas City, too.
nice, way more effective than those 2 mask losers that are gonna die!
Indeed, before the Raiders moved to Vegas the closest pro football team to Reno was the one in Oakland
https://www.kniakrls.com/2021/08/17/covid-19-classified-as-endemic/
Actually, most of them are probably trumpy, anti vaxxer anti masker pieces of shit, just like you.
You would fit right in.
All Raiders fans are subhuman trashYou misspelled "49ers"
It's a brilliant way to gentrify their fanbase. Playing in LV means they don't need the trash anymore. That place will always fill.
Having been to plenty of games for both local squads, the Raiders fans are 100% more cool than the 49ers fans. They have a lot of cool garb and such, but they are a really great set of fans, very knowledgeable, fun.I doubt they care. They travel about as well as anyone save maybe the Cowboys, at least when the team is good.
The 49ers fans however, are jackasses.
Playing in LV means they don't have any fans - they will play 16 road games a year
Actually, most of them are probably trumpy, anti vaxxer anti masker pieces of shit, just like you.
You would fit right in.
You misspelled "49ers"
I doubt they care. They travel about as well as anyone save maybe the Cowboys, at least when the team is good.
Fair. Maybe I was a tad harsh.
Biden gives a presser on getting the booster.What do you think they were asking about?
Takes no questions and walks off.
Who scheduled this blunder ?
Point being that every team playing in LV will travel well - my friend has $175 seats in the stadium, he sold the Eagles game for 1k a pieceYes, but it's more likely opposing teams will have guys succumb to casinos etc.
Mn, you may be interested in this:Lol.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-chinese-pressure-on-coronavirus-origins-probe-shocked-the-who-e2-80-94-and-led-its-director-to-push-back/ar-AANtOpM
Peak Florida
https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/florida-couple-arrested-in-hawaii-for-using-fake-vaccination-cards/
The couple was arrested on the north shore of Honolulu after attempting to use the cards for their kids who were born in 2016 and 2017. The kids are too young to be vaccinated and gave the couple away, NBC Miami reports.
IlliniGolf has been busy between this and trying to blow up the Library of Congress.
Biden gives a presser on getting the booster.
Takes no questions and walks off.
Who scheduled this blunder ?
Is he required to take questions literally every time he speaks?
Is he required to take questions literally every time he speaks?No.
Is he required to take questions literally every time he speaks?
The north shore of Honolulu is land.Honolulu is a city, not an island.
The authorities let 2 little kids give their parents away ? I gotta believe it was the 5 year old who came up with the idea.
Not sure what the rules of engagement are for press conferences but why have the press there if youre not going to take questions? Why not just do a recorded message from the oval office instead?No kidding. If you don't let the press ask questions, you can't tell them they suck and are FAKE NEWS, and very nasty women
He shouldn't be a wuss. Take the damned questions.
That would be a disaster which of course is why they don’t allow him to answer questions
Now Biden has done it [i.e., left Afghanistan]. It’s our country’s good fortune that our president is too senile to be outmaneuvered by the generals as Bush, Obama and Trump were.
Honolulu is a city, not an island.No shit.
That would be a disaster which of course is why they don’t allow him to answer questionsWho is They?
I laughed at this one from Ann Coulter:
https://anncoulter.com/2021/08/18/joe-vs-the-swamp/
No shit.Florida
This writing isn't 8th grade writing.
How did it get approved by anybody ?
His advisors clearly have common sense
Golf posts parody material and you and rob are actually making his point for him.Where?
Why not just do a recorded message from the oval office instead?Because the networks won't pick it up.
whataboutism
JFC 🤦🏻
Can Biden be examined on his own merit? It’s kinda funny Golf posts parody material and you and rob are actually making his point for him.
My nephew's 4th grade teacher died yesterday. Legionaire's disease, due to Covid. She was like 25.
This shit isn't funny. It isn't cute. People are dying because of this. It shouldn't be political at all, but it is.
(https://i.imgur.com/FsDrneM.png)The Florida version replaces "Jail" with "Hospital"
What we need is a "Hail Merry" pass
Yes, this is the town we stay in.
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1430280499214307333
That is the deworming crap they are peddling on Fox News these days? Just get the goddamn fucking vaccine.
I kinda disagree.
If people are dumb enough to take horse meds, fuck em. Let them die.
I kinda disagree.
If people are dumb enough to take horse meds, fuck em. Let them die.
We need Mr. Ed to do a PSA.
"You are not a horse."
https://www.npr.org/2021/08/23/1030208101/mississippi-livestock-drug-ivermectin-covid-misinformation
Here you go, Mn...(https://i.ibb.co/8cgpJKQ/Screenshot-20210825-070624.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q5Yfzy2)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-receives-inconclusive-intelligence-report-on-covid-origins/ar-AANHRNz?ocid=uxbndlbing
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-to-receive-report-on-coronavirus-origins-but-challenges-persist-in-how-to-deal-with-china-11629825758
(https://i.ibb.co/8cgpJKQ/Screenshot-20210825-070624.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q5Yfzy2)
Found the Journal article to be very interesting regarding what was going on at the end of the Trump admin.Whatever it is it's behind the paywall.
Still got the old rabbit ears on this puppy?Well done.
Welcome back, Alum!
Well done.
Here you go, Mn...I'm really starting to think the Chinese did create the virus, knowing that it would eliminate a large chunk of the dumbass Trump supporters who refuse to take the vaccine.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-receives-inconclusive-intelligence-report-on-covid-origins/ar-AANHRNz?ocid=uxbndlbing
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-to-receive-report-on-coronavirus-origins-but-challenges-persist-in-how-to-deal-with-china-11629825758
The lawyer representing the kid who shot up the protest in Kenosha is .. and I know this is shocking - an anti-vaxxer who is now on a ventilator in the hospital with COVID
Mn, keep an eye on this!Keep me posted. Lol.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/researchers-ready-lab-grown-covid-19-delta-variant-for-human-trials-11630053797
Keep me posted. Lol.
We funding this too ?
Jeremy Farrar and Wellcome Trust funding this ?
We may be done with the delta variant and on to the lambda, and then a variant to be named later before long.
I see the CCP is saying the little Covid boogers did escape from a lab, in Maryland.
Meanwhile, our IC is apparently saying it could be that lone pangolin that's behind it all.
Keep me posted. Lol.
We funding this too ?
Jeremy Farrar and Wellcome Trust funding this ?
We may be done with the delta variant and on to the lambda, and then a variant to be named later before long.
I see the CCP is saying the little Covid boogers did escape from a lab, in Maryland.
Meanwhile, our IC is apparently saying it could be that lone pangolin that's behind it all.
I'm definitely looking at what's going on and fully believe that COVID was a Chinese man made invention.There's no telling what 10% for the big guy could get talked into. Especially with Hunter and his deals with the fucking spy chief of China.
It's pretty suspicious that we have a vaccine so quickly. And the CCP would know full well how easy it would be to produce a disinformation campaign targeted at Trump supporters to get them to NOT take the vaccine, and have a disproportionate amount of fatalities.
It's basically a very elegant tactic to suppress the GOP vote share. And Biden is obviously in on the scam
Here you go, Mn...Here you go.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-receives-inconclusive-intelligence-report-on-covid-origins/ar-AANHRNz?ocid=uxbndlbing
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-to-receive-report-on-coronavirus-origins-but-challenges-persist-in-how-to-deal-with-china-11629825758
THE TRUE STORY: The virus came from animals that escaped from the lab.
For over a year and a half this thread has been reminding me of Carina, a hot Mexican girl that was in my class in high school.I kept trying, but couldn't get past 1st base ?
I kept trying, but couldn't get past 1st base ?
I had such a crush on her and never even made it to first base.If you start a new thread, we'll understand.
But I think you mean something else.
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For over a year and a half this thread has been reminding me of Carina, a hot Mexican girl that was in my class in high school.
You’re not supposed to lust for high school girls out loud.
Florida
Chinese Commie Party successfully offs another Patriot:
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/569921-texas-anti-mask-movement-leader-dies-of-covid-19
Pretty sure the media is lying about our numbers. Still don’t know anyone whose died from it or even been hospitalized !Hi Dave!
Pretty sure the media is lying about our numbers. Still don’t know anyone whose died from it or even been hospitalized !
Let me introduce you to Marc Bernier and Dick Farrel.Florida.
He was ‘Mr. Anti Vax.’ Now, another Florida conservative radio host is dead of COVID
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article253850928.html
Radio host and anti-vaxxer, Dick Farrel, dies of Covid; Urges friends to get vaccinated before death
https://www.wionews.com/world/radio-host-and-anti-vaxxer-dick-farrel-dies-of-covid-urges-friends-to-get-vaccinated-before-death-404093
(https://i.imgur.com/P16vH1X.png)Holy crap man! That's gross!
Holy crap man! That's gross!
I haven't listened to Joe Rogan since he left youtube... but to play devils advocate here
Ivermectin did win a nobel prize in 2015 for its use on humans and animals
https://www.farmersjournal.ie/irish-discoverer-of-ivermectin-jointly-wins-nobel-prize-for-medicine-191087
(https://i.imgur.com/LYZF6XZ.png)
not sure why anyone would take an anti parasite medicine for a virus... but whatever, not my problem
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7539925/#__ffn_sectitle
The outbreak comes after scientists at the Desert Research Institute in Reno, Nevada, published a study that found a link between wildfire smoke and increased risk of contracting COVID-19.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article253924928.html
QQQ
There was also a nobel prize given for the discovery of penicillin. Why not prescribe it for COVID?Fecal transplants have proved effective in treating people whose immune systems have been wiped out.
Don't they usually test this stuff on animals?As in testing on "humanized mice" ?
If the horse stuff works, get it out there.
As in testing on "humanized mice" ?
Don't they usually test this stuff on animals?We're working diligently on the $1000 version.
If the horse stuff works, get it out there.
On mice, lab rats, monkeys, whatever.As in using mice to develop a coronavirus that can attack human airway cells ?
We're working diligently on the $1000 version.
"Conclusions: Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34375047/
From what I read, the story and claims about the OK hospitals could not be substantiated.
Ok, I'll bite. What was the purpose of the BS OK story?These stories always have a purpose.Ok, I'll bite. What was the purpose of the BS OK story?
They tested it on golden hamsters!
They tested it on golden hamsters!
The vaccine manufacturers generated the story?You're a lawyer, correct ?
FOIA the doc's emails.I got a good chuckle out of that.
From what I read, the story and claims about the OK hospitals could not be substantiated.
https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/new-details-emerge-about-coronavirus-research-at-chinese-lab/
damn conspiracy theorists at it again
https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/new-details-emerge-about-coronavirus-research-at-chinese-lab/
damn conspiracy theorists at it again
Infer the worst!
That's a good first step, it is horrible. And yes, China shouldn't be trusted on just about anything. The more immediate concern is controlling what we face regardless of origin. Fanning the flames on either side when facts are still in doubt doesn't serve anyone well. That is except, the grifters, who make a living from sowing discord.
Remind us again why we shouldn’t be concerned about the origins of this horrific virus?I'll take 'so we won't know how to prevent it from happening again', for $400.
I'll take 'so we won't know how to prevent it from happening again', for $400.
Remind us again why we shouldn’t be concerned about the origins of this horrific virus?
I'll reiterate what I've said about you being the worst of them all, and fuck you for being not merely an idiot, but an unpaid antagonist in the ongoing misinformation campaign.
How about that?
The origin is not unimportant. I've never said that. It's also not the priority right now.
You assholes are going to be livid when you discover that there are other virus laboratories, even some in the United States, and *all* of them are experimenting with viruses.
I yearned to evoke something like this, but you surpassed my wildest expectations. Well done, sir.
Looks like a couple folks here are confused by the changes to the vaccine definition. Let me give you a hand.Exactly what does a May 14 column about adding mRNA to the definition and a discussion indicating no understanding of the impact on transmissibility after vaccination have to do with a Sept 1 wording that changes the description of a vaccine from providing immunity, to providing protection ?
“THE CLAIM: Merriam-Webster changed the definition of 'vaccine' to include the messenger RNA vaccines produced by Moderna and Pfizer.”
“THE FACTS: It’s true that the dictionary publisher’s definition of a vaccine today is not the same as it was a year ago.”
“The current definition includes ‘a preparation of genetic material (such as a strand of synthesized messenger RNA) that is used by the cells of the body to produce an antigenic substance (such as a fragment of virus spike protein).’’’
“The previous definition referred to organisms ‘administered to produce or artificially increase immunity to a particular disease.’”
“But definitions change frequently, and the new one better describes how the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines work. Unlike other vaccines — like ones for influenza or measles — they don’t include copies of the specific virus itself. And the change has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the vaccines themselves.”
https://www.cbs17.com/community/health/coronavirus/checking-the-facts-cited-by-vaccine-hesitant-demonstrators-in-downtown-raleigh/
Oh, and if you think Biden is going too far with his new vaccination rules for federal workers, you really don’t want to know what United Airlines plans to do.
United Airlines announces employees with approved vax waivers to be placed on leave
https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-united-airlines-covid-vaccinations-waiver-religious-medical-20210908-67dhnxtyk5h6rb7hr7ega33e2u-story.html
Exactly what does a May 14 column about adding mRNA to the definition and a discussion indicating no understanding of the impact on transmissibility after vaccination have to do with a Sept 1 wording that changes the description of a vaccine from providing immunity, to providing protection ?
Exactly what does a May 14 column about adding mRNA to the definition and a discussion indicating no understanding of the impact on transmissibility after vaccination have to do with a Sept 1 wording that changes the description of a vaccine from providing immunity, to providing protection ?Because not all vaccines provide immunity, and never have.
August 31.....
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Sept 1
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And good luck finding a person or two who believes the flu vaccine is 100% effective.Exactly. So they changed the definition to match reality.
A herd. That's what you need.
Do you have any plans for a big group gathering in the next few weeks?
Exactly what does a May 14 column about adding mRNA to the definition and a discussion indicating no understanding of the impact on transmissibility after vaccination have to do with a Sept 1 wording that changes the description of a vaccine from providing immunity, to providing protection ?
The call is coming from inside Merriam-Webster's offices!What's Merriam's position in the administration ?
Sept 1.
"Vaccination ... to produce protection..."
"Immunity ... protection from an infectious disease.....you can be exposed to it without becoming infected."
I suppose that would mean that a vaccination would produce protectiion, which is referred to as immunity, which means infection will not occur.
Oh, ok.
And good luck finding a person or two who believes the flu vaccine is 100% effective.
Nice try, CDC spokesperson.
Like how big? I've been out and about living life normally for quite some time now. I'll be in Vegas on Saturday to pick up my new Porsche, what are you up to? Wanna do a road trip to LA with me?
If not I'll be at the blackjack table at the Trump hotel for a little bit on Friday night
Like how big? I've been out and about living life normally for quite some time now. I'll be in Vegas on Saturday to pick up my new Porsche, what are you up to? Wanna do a road trip to LA with me?
If not I'll be at the blackjack table at the Trump hotel for a little bit on Friday night
If memory serves, Trump International Hotel Las Vegas does *NOT* have gaming.
Any chance you are related to the guy who claimed he had won a huge fortune playing craps at Harrah's New Mexico? We're still laughing at that guy's bullsh*t.
Maybe he is also picking up a Yugo and not a Porsche?
If memory serves, Trump International Hotel Las Vegas does *NOT* have gaming.
Any chance you are related to the guy who claimed he had won a huge fortune playing craps at Harrah's New Mexico? We're still laughing at that guy's bullsh*t.
Definite possibility, although finding a Yugo at this point might not be that easy. If it is actually a Porsche, always a possibility it's one made by Hot Wheels.
Even the McDonald's in Vegas have gaming. There's no structure in Clark County that doesn't have at least video poker.
Sept 1.
"Vaccination ... to produce protection..."
"Immunity ... protection from an infectious disease.....you can be exposed to it without becoming infected."
I suppose that would mean that a vaccination would produce protectiion, which is referred to as immunity, which means infection will not occur.
Oh, ok.
And good luck finding a person or two who believes the flu vaccine is 100% effective.
Nice try, CDC spokesperson.
That might be the perception of some but reality is different. Trump International Hotel Las Vegas doesn't have gaming, perhaps in part because of its off-Strip location. That being said, if Trump/Ruffin had decided to include gaming, Trump would have run the casino into the ground like he did with several others.
it is a set of hot wheels but not the toy brand
Its a real deal brand new specced by me GT Porsche
very excited to say the least
going to drive up the Pacific Coast Highway on my way home to put the break in miles on it
Enjoy driving PCH in your new ride.
I think we should compile a list of clubs, shacks & dives for Q to visit.
Whether it's comedy clubs, strip bars, live music, girls dancing, etc.
So, like, a wine tasting?
Any recommendations?
The Epoch Times.They (the MAGAts) have no idea.
My new favorite websites now features one of Fart's fellow Hoosiers.
https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/post/shaun-collins-41-richmond-in-owner-of-mack-s-place-pub-vaccine-hesitant-died-from-covid
I wonder if his bar had a pool table. I'd bet it did.
That is some website.
Well, they are the ones still alive to read it.
The best thing about Shaun's story, imao, is where he posted (just five days ago, while he was alive) "they say I have this certain variant."
Now, his friend *died* of covid in July. But he nevertheless hasn't heard about "this certain variant."
So I have to believe that he's been up close and personal, with all his customers, for quite some time. And probably didn't get a lot of cogent information from them.
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Yes. Yes, I am.
I guess I'm coming around to your way of thinking. Besides, I'm tired of hiding in my basement.
Do you have any ideas for entertainment in this crazy world?
I guess I'm coming around to your way of thinking.
I love how Golf loves The Epoch Times. Now that is good stuff. Illini Golf. Hard working. Good at math. Chinaman. (A nod to Norm there.)
I thought Golf was Gelato. Fuck
I thought Golf was Gelato. Fuck
that guy is a fucking ham planet... come ondude you read the Epoch Times
anyways, I knew a woman in tip top shape who worked at my office, she was about 44 years old and died of a stroke one day out of nowhere. Incredibly sad. oh here she is https://www.tributearchive.com/obituaries/2651987/Ria-Gonzales
and that website you visit is literally batshit insane, you are really mentally fucked up person for visiting it
dude you read the Epoch Timesno that's IlliniGolf
What if it’s Dave doing a Gelato parody? 🤔
Here you go, Mn!Damn mouse. I thought it was a pangolin behind all of this.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/3681845/wuhan-lab-coronavirus-10000-stronger-leak/
Surprise surprise ! “Long Covid” isn’t much it a thing after all
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/long-covid-less-common-than-feared-ons-study/ar-AAOxsoI?ocid=BingNewsSearch
Escalator falls have soared in Tube stations because passengers are too afraid to hold handrails over fears they could catch Covid....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/16/tube-accidents-soar-passengers-afraid-hold-escalator-handrails/
Oh, this could easily apply to Americans. You act like you haven't been talking to Q or IlliniGolf on here.
Come on, man
Wuhan scientists planned to release enhanced coronaviruses into bat caves 21 months before start of Covid pandemic outbreak - but US government refused to fund project over fears it would backfire
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10016283/Wuhan-scientists-planned-release-enhanced-coronaviruses-bat-caves-Covid-outbreak.html
how many weeks until we find out the US did indeed fund this?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10016283/Wuhan-scientists-planned-release-enhanced-coronaviruses-bat-caves-Covid-outbreak.htmlThis grant request that seems just a little bit bat shit crazy didnt get funded.
how many weeks until we find out the US did indeed fund this?
This grant request that seems just a little bit bat shit crazy didnt get funded.
Did you hear the story about the pangolin ?
That is funny.This wasn't what I would call a "plot".
Interesting article. Part of the plot, allegedly, was to release the genetically enhanced viruses among the bats in the hopes it would stop new viruses going from bats to humans. That would take some doing.
@fucking and alum74
https://www.theonion.com/hospital-icus-at-capacity-with-reporters-covering-anti-1847716379?utm_source=TheOnion_Daily_RSS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-09-23
@fucking and alum74
https://www.theonion.com/hospital-icus-at-capacity-with-reporters-covering-anti-1847716379?utm_source=TheOnion_Daily_RSS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-09-23
Sweden and Japan did it right as much as McLassie and co love lockdowns !
...really do believe that we’re going to have a much easier winter than last winter. Because really, 95, 96% of the people that got badly hurt last winter, they are now vaccinated, and they have good protection.
Actually, most of these tragic and grim stories originate through the local media. And now there are a number of sites which "track the individual’s journey from COVID theory, so to speak, to COVID practice."
HermanCainAwardSubreddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/oy3yot/the_herman_cain_freedom_award_discussion/
SorryAntiVaxxers.com
https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/
The Swedish COVID-19 strategy revisited:Cool story.
https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8
Cool story.Sweden's rate is 144/100k
Do you have a link to her story about the higher death rate per 100 000 in the US vs Sweden, or the story about the US higher death rate per 100,000 than Canada, Cuba, the Dominican Republic or Haiti ?
May as well toss in Mexico with a death rate per 100,000 very similar to the US, but with a vaccination rate of 1/2 of the US rate.
Sweden's rate is 144/100k
The US is at 205/100k
We may have helped fund a pandemic, want to blame it on a pangolin, and have no interest in exploring the origin.
Maybe don't be writing articles about how poorly another country has handled this.
Who has no interest in exploring the origin? Seems like things are at a dead end because the Commies won't cooperate.We know Billy was working with Johnny, and Billy says he was on the up and up and says Johnny didn't do it and sometimes shit just happens and Johnny won't cooperate so our hands are tied.
We may have helped fund a pandemic, want to blame it on a pangolin, and have no interest in exploring the origin.
Maybe don't be writing articles about how poorly another country has handled this.
We may have helped fund a pandemic, want to blame it on a pangolin, and have no interest in exploring the origin.
Maybe don't be writing articles about how poorly another country has handled this.
We know Billy was working with Johnny, and Billy says he was on the up and up and says Johnny didn't do it and sometimes shit just happens and Johnny won't cooperate so our hands are tied.
That's our story and we're sticking to it.
Sweden's rate is 144/100k
The US is at 205/100k
The thing is, the US has a lot of goddamn stupid people, and 50 states run by very disparate state and local governments.
Sweden has 62% of their population fully vaccinated. The US is at 55%.
If you drill down - San Francisco - which has had aggressive COVID mitigation that the population complied with, the death rate is at 69/100k. Huge chunks of Florida where people protested even the slightest mitigation, are running at 400+/100k. Mississippi as a state is at 315/100k. New York and New Jersey have awful numbers, but they got hit by COVID before we even really knew what it was and could even make basic mitigations or treatments, New Jersey's death graph is completely front loaded into April/May 2020, they never had a meaningful spike after that.
There is no apples to apples comparison of any meaningful sort when you use "Sweden" and "US" for any COVID comparison.
Good point, but we're trying to get Q to more Harley rallies. Or palloozas.
The event doesn't really matter. As long as he gets indoors with a bunch of mouthbreathers.
Hey buddy, have you bowled recently?
We may have helped fund a pandemic, want to blame it on a pangolin, and have no interest in exploring the origin.We did. It was the liberals. Because they knew the GOP base wouldn't take the vaccine. devious as heck
Maybe don't be writing articles about how poorly another country has handled this.
We did. It was the liberals. Because they knew the GOP base wouldn't take the vaccine. devious as heck
"Well, that's a very confusing message for the MAGAs following Brietbart, isn't it? Damned if you react to the Lib bullies and don't get vaxxed and damned if you listen to the anti-vaxxers and don't get vaxxed. Oh, what to do!?"
I think they shouldn't get vaxxed.
Hear that 97? Don't get vaxxed.
MYOB
Frankly, kind of tough when you guys are keeping things fucked up.
I think we should show more support for 97's lifestyle.
you might want to try my lifestyle sometime, it would make you much less of a miserable cuntDude you live in the armpit of Nevada
https://youtu.be/f0-kKBoduhg
I'm about to go snorkeling for the fourth time this week. Swimming with the turtles off the west coast of Maui.
On Friday, I'll meet with the new Illini basketball personalities, and ask them some silly questions.
I suppose I could be bowling in Reno right now, if I adjusted my priorities. I'll think about it.
I'm about to go snorkeling for the fourth time this week. Swimming with the turtles off the west coast of Maui.
On Friday, I'll meet with the new Illini basketball personalities, and ask them some silly questions.
I suppose I could be bowling in Reno right now, if I adjusted my priorities. I'll think about it.
Mn!Paywalled. And I've not seen a second of The Office.
Elderly Lake County man dies after bat bite; Illinois’ first human rabies case in more than half-century
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county-news-sun/ct-lns-lake-county-rabies-death-st-0929-20210928-drha2gc5bne3zcnatqxjwctuma-story.html
Dude did not watch that one episode on The Office about rabies.
Paywalled. And I've not seen a second of The Office.
He didn't pass it along to 200 million people, did he ?
Thanks for the news tho.
He didn't pass it along to 200 million people, did he ?
Thanks for the news tho.
If only more people had eaten garlic or taken miracle mineral supplements, we could have stopped the spread of the Oriental virus.
https://www.theonion.com/what-to-say-to-someone-who-has-fallen-for-a-conspiracy-1847740476
;D
Who are the actual covidiots ?!?!
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/oct/5/project-veritas-captures-pfizer-scientists-giving-/
From today's Trib bird cage liner:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/park-ridge/ct-prh-covid-halloween-vandalized-tl-1007-20211004-5nvymbfeobfhfgevaq6gdcgwsm-story.html
A Park Ridge man says he has no plans to remove a Halloween display critical of those who refuse COVID-19 vaccines, despite the display being vandalized within hours of it appearing on his lawn.
Six tombstones, each meant to represent a death due to a particular belief about COVID-19 and vaccines, were defaced overnight between Oct. 3 and Oct. 4 when large Xs were spray-painted over them.
The wooden tombstones contained epitaphs like “Proudly anti-vax,” “I’d rather die than comply,” “Ivermectin believer,” “Yes, honey, I will wear my mask,” “COVID, no problem” and “I did my own research.”
(https://i.ibb.co/vQfxVRw/D10252-C0-5346-4029-9-BAA-7-BA37-A5-AC9-B6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nn4s6tg)
Iodine.
Did you mom ever hold you down and dump iodine in a wound?
If not, you grew up a pussy.
Iodine.
Did you mom ever hold you down and dump iodine in a wound?
If not, you grew up a pussy.
Haha, nope. You’re a city bitch.
Yep, that too. Came in a tiny bottle, with a dropper.
Something from the NYT for all you virtue signalers here especially Jobu the biggest virtue signaler of them all !
“The September swoon
In the final weeks of this summer, with Covid-19 cases soaring and the rituals of autumn about to resume, many people assumed that the pandemic was on the verge of getting even worse.
Children were returning to classrooms five days a week. Broadway was reopening, and movie fans were heading to theaters again. In football stadiums across the country, fans were crowding together, usually unmasked, to cheer, sing and drink.
Given all of this — and the Delta variant — public discussion had a decidedly grim tone as the summer wound down. “It may only get worse,” read a Politico headline. “The new school year is already a disaster,” Business Insider reported.
The Washington Post cited an estimate that daily caseloads in the U.S. could reach 300,000 in August, higher than ever before. An expert quoted in The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette suggested the number could be higher yet. In The New York Times, an epidemiologist predicted that cases would rise in September because children were going back to school.
And what actually happened? Cases plunged.
The best measure of U.S. cases (a seven-day average, adjusted for holiday anomalies) peaked around 166,000 on Sept. 1 — the very day that seemed to augur a new surge. The number of new daily cases has since fallen almost 40 percent. Hospitalizations are down about 30 percent. Deaths, which typically change direction a few weeks after cases, have declined 13 percent since Sept. 20.
To be fair, forecasting a pandemic is inherently difficult. Virtually all of us, expert and not, have at times been surprised by Covid and incorrect about what was likely to happen next. It’s unavoidable.
But there is a pattern to some of the recent mistakes, and understanding it can help us avoid repeating them.
Clutch chokers
Let’s start by recalling a near-universal human trait: People are attracted to stories with heroes and villains. In these stories, the character flaws of the villains bring them down, allowing the decency of the heroes to triumph. The stories create a clear relationship between cause and effect. They make sense.
Books, television shows and movies are full of such stories. But for the purposes of understanding Covid, another form of mass entertainment — sports — is more useful.
Unlike novels or movies, sporting events involve true uncertainty. They are not part of a fictional world, with an author’s predetermined ending. And as is the case with more important subjects, like a pandemic, sports are subject to a lot of predictions. For these reasons, social scientists, including Nobel laureates, sometimes study sports to learn lessons about the human mind.
If you turn on almost any sporting event, you will hear tales of heroes and villains. Sports broadcasters often use moralistic language — with concepts like “clutch” and “choke” — to explain outcomes. The broadcasters turn games into “referenda on character,” as Joe Sheehan, who writes an excellent baseball newsletter, has put it. The athletes with strong character win, and the weak lose.
But anybody who watches sports for long enough will notice that these morality plays do not age well. Many athletes or coaches whom broadcasters long described as chokers (Clayton Kershaw, Andy Reid, Phil Mickelson, Alex Rodriguez, John Elway, Jana Novotná, Hakeem Olajuwon, Dan Jansen and many more) eventually won championships with clutch performances.
They did not have character flaws that prevented them from winning. They had been unlucky, or they had run into better competition. Until they didn’t.
The real world often does not lend itself to moralistic fables.
Vaccines and humility
In the case of Covid, the fable we tell ourselves is that our day-to-day behavior dictates the course of the pandemic. When we are good — by staying socially distant and wearing our masks — cases are supposed to fall. When we are bad — by eating in restaurants, hanging out with friends and going to a theater or football game — cases are supposed to rise.
The idea is especially alluring to anybody making an effort to be careful and feeling frustrated that so many other Americans seem blasé. After all, the Covid fable does have an some truth to it. Social distancing and masking do reduce the spread of the virus. They just are not as powerful as people often imagine.
The main determinants of Covid’s spread (other than vaccines, which are extremely effective) remain mysterious. Some activities that seem dangerous, like in-person school or crowded outdoor gatherings, may not always be. As unsatisfying as it is, we do not know why cases have recently plunged. The decline is consistent with the fact that Covid surges often last for about two months before receding, but that’s merely a description of the data, not a causal explanation.
“We still are really in the cave ages in terms of understanding how viruses emerge, how they spread, how they start and stop, why they do what they do,” Michael Osterholm, an epidemiologist at the University of Minnesota, has told me.
In coming weeks and months, it is possible that the virus will surge again, maybe because of a new variant or because vaccine immunity will wane. It is also possible that the population has built up enough immunity — from both vaccines and previous infections — that Delta will have been the last major wave.
We don’t know, and we do not have to pretend otherwise. We do not have to treat Covid as a facile referendum on virtue.”
(https://i.imgur.com/xPMi3nm.png)
Poetry.
I’m glad you typed all that out because I sure as fuck wasn’t.
Something from the NYT for all you virtue signalers here especially Jobu the biggest virtue signaler of them all !They all died, nobody left to infect
“The September swoon
In the final weeks of this summer, with Covid-19 cases soaring and the rituals of autumn about to resume, many people assumed that the pandemic was on the verge of getting even worse.
Children were returning to classrooms five days a week. Broadway was reopening, and movie fans were heading to theaters again. In football stadiums across the country, fans were crowding together, usually unmasked, to cheer, sing and drink.
Given all of this — and the Delta variant — public discussion had a decidedly grim tone as the summer wound down. “It may only get worse,” read a Politico headline. “The new school year is already a disaster,” Business Insider reported.
The Washington Post cited an estimate that daily caseloads in the U.S. could reach 300,000 in August, higher than ever before. An expert quoted in The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette suggested the number could be higher yet. In The New York Times, an epidemiologist predicted that cases would rise in September because children were going back to school.
And what actually happened? Cases plunged.
The best measure of U.S. cases (a seven-day average, adjusted for holiday anomalies) peaked around 166,000 on Sept. 1 — the very day that seemed to augur a new surge. The number of new daily cases has since fallen almost 40 percent. Hospitalizations are down about 30 percent. Deaths, which typically change direction a few weeks after cases, have declined 13 percent since Sept. 20.
To be fair, forecasting a pandemic is inherently difficult. Virtually all of us, expert and not, have at times been surprised by Covid and incorrect about what was likely to happen next. It’s unavoidable.
But there is a pattern to some of the recent mistakes, and understanding it can help us avoid repeating them.
Clutch chokers
Let’s start by recalling a near-universal human trait: People are attracted to stories with heroes and villains. In these stories, the character flaws of the villains bring them down, allowing the decency of the heroes to triumph. The stories create a clear relationship between cause and effect. They make sense.
Books, television shows and movies are full of such stories. But for the purposes of understanding Covid, another form of mass entertainment — sports — is more useful.
Unlike novels or movies, sporting events involve true uncertainty. They are not part of a fictional world, with an author’s predetermined ending. And as is the case with more important subjects, like a pandemic, sports are subject to a lot of predictions. For these reasons, social scientists, including Nobel laureates, sometimes study sports to learn lessons about the human mind.
If you turn on almost any sporting event, you will hear tales of heroes and villains. Sports broadcasters often use moralistic language — with concepts like “clutch” and “choke” — to explain outcomes. The broadcasters turn games into “referenda on character,” as Joe Sheehan, who writes an excellent baseball newsletter, has put it. The athletes with strong character win, and the weak lose.
But anybody who watches sports for long enough will notice that these morality plays do not age well. Many athletes or coaches whom broadcasters long described as chokers (Clayton Kershaw, Andy Reid, Phil Mickelson, Alex Rodriguez, John Elway, Jana Novotná, Hakeem Olajuwon, Dan Jansen and many more) eventually won championships with clutch performances.
They did not have character flaws that prevented them from winning. They had been unlucky, or they had run into better competition. Until they didn’t.
The real world often does not lend itself to moralistic fables.
Vaccines and humility
In the case of Covid, the fable we tell ourselves is that our day-to-day behavior dictates the course of the pandemic. When we are good — by staying socially distant and wearing our masks — cases are supposed to fall. When we are bad — by eating in restaurants, hanging out with friends and going to a theater or football game — cases are supposed to rise.
The idea is especially alluring to anybody making an effort to be careful and feeling frustrated that so many other Americans seem blasé. After all, the Covid fable does have an some truth to it. Social distancing and masking do reduce the spread of the virus. They just are not as powerful as people often imagine.
The main determinants of Covid’s spread (other than vaccines, which are extremely effective) remain mysterious. Some activities that seem dangerous, like in-person school or crowded outdoor gatherings, may not always be. As unsatisfying as it is, we do not know why cases have recently plunged. The decline is consistent with the fact that Covid surges often last for about two months before receding, but that’s merely a description of the data, not a causal explanation.
“We still are really in the cave ages in terms of understanding how viruses emerge, how they spread, how they start and stop, why they do what they do,” Michael Osterholm, an epidemiologist at the University of Minnesota, has told me.
In coming weeks and months, it is possible that the virus will surge again, maybe because of a new variant or because vaccine immunity will wane. It is also possible that the population has built up enough immunity — from both vaccines and previous infections — that Delta will have been the last major wave.
We don’t know, and we do not have to pretend otherwise. We do not have to treat Covid as a facile referendum on virtue.”
(https://i.ibb.co/RpFvnGh/EA513-F37-BB9-F-4-E8-D-B80-D-5-CC172-C59-CFA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nsGg2q3)
anyone notice a trend here?
(https://i.imgur.com/2tmRD0H.png)
Mn! Don't start taking baby aspirin!Oh, jfc.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/12/health/daily-aspirin-heart-disease-stroke-draft-recommendation-wellness/index.html
US task force proposes adults 60 and older should not start daily aspirin to prevent heart disease or stroke
Hopefully you haven't started!
Oh, jfc.
Do not do anything but get vaxxed, wear 2 masks, and hide in the basement. Do not lose weight. Do not take Vit D or go outdoors where it's dangerous. Do not get diabetes under control. Do not do anything until getting admitted. Then cross your fingers.
This is why CNN posted this .....
https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/aspirin-lowers-risk-of-covid-new-findings-support-preliminary-israeli-trial-681127
"The treatment reduced the risk of reaching mechanical ventilation by 44%. ICU admissions were lower by 43%, and an overall in-hospital mortality saw a 47% decrease."
Does eating red meat protect you from The COVID?As long as I put my 2 masks on between bites, it's worked so far.
As long as I put my 2 masks on between bites, it's worked so far.How's that help the whole "lose weight" part?
How's that help the whole "lose weight" part?
No! Don't get it!
How's that help the whole "lose weight" part?
I also do 'intermittent fasting' 17/7 (eat at 11am and 6pm nothing in between but black coffee in the morning and water) and it works great, I can pretty much eat what I want and still stay in shape
I stay away from all sugars the best I can, breads are hard to keep out of my mouth though but I'm also the same weight now as I was in college, I don't even work out all that much, just try to stay moving when I'm not chained to the desk from my job
"Walk the dog when she wants to be walked" is a charming euphemism.
I also mostly quit drinking beer…bitten by the bourbon and rye bug.
https://fb.watch/8GEf1ynkkO/
Truth !
https://rumble.com/vnwzdg-dr.-roger-hodkinson-at-okotoks-alberta-freedom-rally-oct-17-2021.html
Truth !
https://rumble.com/vnwzdg-dr.-roger-hodkinson-at-okotoks-alberta-freedom-rally-oct-17-2021.html
video of Old 97 getting his face clocked
https://twitter.com/debdrens/status/1452752299558846470
Four Measures That Are Helping Germany Beat Covid-19: ensure that mass events don’t facilitate mass transmission; make testing cheap and easy; throw out those cloth masks (in favor of KN95 masks); and figure out contact tracing
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/10/four-measures-are-helping-germany-beat-covid-19/620466/
Meatpacker Tyson: Mandate led 96% of workers to get vaccine
https://www.dailyherald.com/article/20211026/business/310269932/
Four Measures That Are Helping Germany Beat Covid-19: ensure that mass events don’t facilitate mass transmission; make testing cheap and easy; throw out those cloth masks (in favor of KN95 masks); and figure out contact tracing
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/10/four-measures-are-helping-germany-beat-covid-19/620466/
Meatpacker Tyson: Mandate led 96% of workers to get vaccine
https://www.dailyherald.com/article/20211026/business/310269932/
Odd that a young Jewish man would be a proponent of some sort of awful freedom free dystopia
maybe his grandparents were killed in the holocaust and couldn't tell him how much it sucked
or maybe he's a germaphobe
or maybe he's a comme fuckhead and should be ignored
Four Measures That Are Helping Germany Beat Covid-19: ensure that mass events don’t facilitate mass transmission; make testing cheap and easy; throw out those cloth masks (in favor of KN95 masks); and figure out contact tracingYou didn't mention the failure of our CDC and the coronavirus experts to accept previous Covid infection, as they do in Germany. And It's my understanding that college football games, some with 100,000 in attendance, have not shown to be a concern.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/10/four-measures-are-helping-germany-beat-covid-19/620466/
Meatpacker Tyson: Mandate led 96% of workers to get vaccine
https://www.dailyherald.com/article/20211026/business/310269932/
You didn't mention the failure of the CDC and the coronavirus experts to accept previous Covid infection, as they do in Germany. And It's my understanding that college football games, some with 100,000 in attendance, have not shown to be a concern.
From the article ....
"Anybody who wants to dine indoors, go to the theater, or attend a large sporting event has to be vaccinated or have recovered from COVID-19 within the past six months."
And Jobu says this place is humorless?
The addition to your signature made me laugh.
Yep. I’m pretty confident people around here like me, but they won’t stand up for me.
Odd that a young Jewish man would be a proponent of some sort of awful freedom free dystopia
maybe his grandparents were killed in the holocaust and couldn't tell him how much it sucked
or maybe he's a germaphobe
or maybe he's a comme fuckhead and should be ignored
I'm a "first-degree Jewish hybrid."
I’ve been wearing a mask in indoor public spaces....it is my private Treblinka.
You didn't mention the failure of our CDC and the coronavirus experts to accept previous Covid infection, as they do in Germany. And It's my understanding that college football games, some with 100,000 in attendance, have not shown to be a concern.
From the article ....
"Anybody who wants to dine indoors, go to the theater, or attend a large sporting event has to be vaccinated or have recovered from COVID-19 within the past six months."
So how many fans at the Astros-Braves game tonight had to provide proof they were vaccinated or have recovered from COVID-19 within the past six months?No idea, and don't care. But I'll guess covid recovery is not in the equation. At all.
No idea, and don't care. But I'll guess covid recovery is not in the equation. At all.
No idea, and don't care. But I'll guess covid recovery is not in the equation. At all.I got my booster shot. The side effects are real.
Of course you don’t care. Just another one of your goofy strawman arguments.Baseball lost me with the strikes, dhs hitting .250, analytics and 4 hour games.
Fuck Fauci and the CDC. What’s stopping the states from adopting the new German public health policy, specifying that anyone who wants to go to an indoor restaurant, movie, nursing home or sports stadium must either be fully vaccinated or show proof they have recently recovered from COVID-19?
Oh wait…FREEDOM.
fuck Fauci and the CDC.
Yep. I’m pretty confident people around here like me, but they won’t stand up for me.
Fuck it. Tempos place.
I'm a "first-degree Jewish hybrid."
I’ve been wearing a mask in indoor public spaces....it is my private Treblinka.
Oh wait…FREEDOM.
yeah that thing that our ancestors fought for and we continue to fight for across the globe... it is literally the most important thing in the world
fuck you commie fucks I hate you all
yeah that thing that our ancestors fought for and we continue to fight for across the globe... it is literally the most important thing in the worldand I was gonna give you that spare 3090 card. Oh well
fuck you commie fucks I hate you all
yeah that thing that our ancestors fought for and we continue to fight for across the globe... it is literally the most important thing in the world
fuck you commie fucks I hate you all
YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO, MOOOOOMMMM!
Also this: "Finding the smallpox to be spreading much and fearing that no precaution can prevent it from running through the whole of our Army, I have determined that the troops shall be inoculated. This expedient may be attended with some inconvenience and some disadvantages but yet I trust its consequences will have the most happy effects. Necessity not only authorizes but seems to require the measure, for should the disorder infect the Army in the natural way and rage with its usual virulence, we have more to dread from it than from the sword of the enemy."
- Gen. George Washington ordering smallpox inoculations for all troops
https://www.health.mil/News/Articles/2021/08/16/Gen-George-Washington-Ordered-Smallpox-Inoculations-for-All-Troops
Our first President must have been a communist.
I’ve followed all of the Covid safety protocols suggested, and I feel every bit as free as this time 2019.
your compliance is not virtuous
More contagious than Covid-19 and with a 30 percent mortality rate, smallpox was one of history's biggest killers.
go ahead and give your young children an experimental gene therapy with no long term testing done because of something that they won't die from, fucking brilliant
or whatever else you want to make as miserable as possible for people who mostly aren’t at risk !
Wait until the 5-11 year olds get mandated.
Wait until the 5-11 year olds get mandated.
Then what??
There’s gonna end up being another civil war in this country.
The first one never ended.
I seriously would like to GTFO of this country.
I hear tell it's easy to get into Mexico. Canada, not so much.
It’s already begun.
Republican Party’s civil war in Nevada: Moderates vs. violent extremists
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2021/aug/02/in-the-republican-partys-civil-war-its-moderates-v/
I seriously would like to GTFO of this country.
My mother lives in Puerto Vallarta 6-7 months out of the year. Doesn’t suck.
Eric Rubin, FDA voting member, on giving an experimental use authorization vaccine to 5 year old kids. The vote was a two choice, no middle ground, of vaccinations for all 5-11 year olds or none.
""We're never going to learn about how safe the vaccine is unless we start giving it," Rubin said. "That's just the way it goes, "
That's just the way it goes, Moms and Dads.
Eric Rubin, FDA voting member, on giving an experimental use authorization vaccine to 5 year old kids. The vote was a two choice, no middle ground, of vaccinations for all 5-11 year olds or none.
""We're never going to learn about how safe the vaccine is unless we start giving it," Rubin said. "That's just the way it goes, "
That's just the way it goes, Moms and Dads.
Citation please?
Citation please?
Seems like an odd thing to say. Apparently there is a WaPo article behind a paywall on his comments and their context.
I was able to access the article. I cleared my cache and cookies first. Not sure if that did the trick.For any 5-11 year old to get the vaccine, a "yes" vote was required. Rubin sees the value in a compromised kid getting the vaccine. A "no" vote prevents that.
Here’s a look at Rubin’s fuller comments:
“This is a much tougher one, I think, than we had expected coming into it. The data show that this vaccine works and it’s pretty safe … And yet, we’re worried about a side effect that we can’t measure yet, but it’s probably real. And we see a benefit that isn’t that same as it is in older patients.”
“It’s a very, sort of, personal choice. If I had a child who was a transplant recipient, I would really want to be able to use a vaccine. And there are certain kids who probably should be vaccinated. The question of how broadly to use I think is a substantial one. And I know it’s not question, and I know we’re kind of punting that to ACIP.”
“But I do think that it’s a relatively close call. As Dr. [Ofer] Levy just said, and Dr. [Hayley] Gans said, it really is going to be a question of what the prevailing conditions are. But we’re never going to learn about how safe this vaccine is unless we start giving it. That’s just the way it goes. That’s how we found out about rare complications of other vaccines like coronavirus vaccine. And I do think we should vote to approve it.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/27/an-fda-adviser-said-we-need-give-kids-vaccines-fully-understand-their-safety-heres-crucial-context/
It’s important to understand what the FDA is considering here. If approved, it will not be forcing any children ages 5 to 11 to take the vaccine. It’s about giving parents the option. “When there is a declared emergency, the FDA can make a judgment that it's worth releasing something for use even without all the evidence that would fully establish its effectiveness and safety. If there’s evidence that strongly suggests that patients have benefited from a treatment or test, the agency can issue an emergency use authorization or EUA to make it available.”
Over the years FDA has issued EUAs for anthrax, ebola, enterovirus, H7N9 influenza and Middle East respiratory syndrome.
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2020/what-is-emergency-use-authorization
The FDA will not be enforcing, lol. Everybody else will do that.
How can one be sure their child isn’t compromised in some way?Luckily for us, the odds are astronomically on our side.
Luckily for us, the odds are astronomically on our side.Fewer than 700 could have also been stated as 167 in the 5-11 age group that is currently under consideration for vaccination.
“Of the 73 million children in the U.S., fewer than 700 have died of COVID-19 during the course of the pandemic, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Rauch puts the figure into context using the number of people who can typically fit into a sports venue.
"Think about it in terms of football stadiums," Rauch said. "In 100,000 kids, one of them is not going to make it with COVID. Everyone else who walked in is going to walk out."
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2021/10/08/covid-19-kids-cases-hospitalizations-deaths/8361479002/
How can one be sure their child isn’t compromised in some way?I suppose a good start would be that you could ask your son if he's undergone chemotherapy, has any kidney or blood disorders, has respiratory disorders, has diabetes, or is obese.
Thanks for the articles Alum and Mn. Basically if your kid is compromised, and, Tempo, those parents know if their kids are compromised (just try bringing peanuts and latex balloons to school sometime), you may want to get the shot.This is an issue tho, imo.
This is an issue tho, imo.
Anything other than a "yes" vote would be a vote against enabling a 5-11 year old to be vaccinated. A vote to authorize for compromised kids was not allowed to be part of the discussion.
But they say it is up to parents to decide what to do, right?🤣🤣
🤣🤣
Anyone ever heard of undiagnosed conditions?
The resistance to the vaccine is bizarre
Go ahead and get your kid vaccinated, you don’t need to convince us.
The resistance to the vaccine is bizarre
You think it’s weird to question giving a new vaccine with very little testing on young children to young children who are at extremely low risk? That doesn’t seem like “following the science” to me.
I don’t care if people want to vaccinate their young children, but shit is going to hit the fucking fan when they inevitably start mandating it in schools.
The resistance to the vaccine is bizarre
I think it’s weird to reject the conclusions of an incredibly overwhelming majority of scientists and doctors in the year 2021. Especially based on your gut feelings.
What are the conclusions of the incredibly overwhelming majority of scientists and doctors in the year 2021?
What are the conclusions of the incredibly overwhelming majority of scientists and doctors in the year 2021?
You think it’s weird to question giving a new vaccine with very little testing on young children to young children who are at extremely low risk? That doesn’t seem like “following the science” to me.
I don’t care if people want to vaccinate their young children, but shit is going to hit the fucking fan when they inevitably start mandating it in schools.
You think it is wiser to wait until a variant starts putting children at greater risk?
You think it is wiser to wait until a variant starts putting children at greater risk?
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid19-vaccine-what-parents-need-to-know
Coronaviruses have been been mutating since before humans even existed. Yet none of the variants—ever—have proven to be particularly harmful to remotely healthy children. Why would we expect this one to evolve in that direction?The FDA advisory panel was probably given the opportunity to discuss this in great detail. Lol.
There’s a reason we never went into full scale vaccinations for coronaviruses prior to this. It mutates too fast. And it generally isn’t that dangerous. Sure, this one is dangerous to a very small percentage of the population (NOT children) but I’m not convinced that after thousands upon thousands of years of living with mutating coronaviruses unvaccinated children will all of a sudden become ground zero for some doomsday coronavirus variant.
The FDA advisory panel was probably given the opportunity to discuss this in great detail. Lol.
Shut up and dribble.
For Custard, shouldn't it be "Shut up and grill"?He is a busy man. Work, dribbling, grilling and banging hot chicks. He seems to do well in the work, grilling and banging categories. He probably played point guard as a youngster.
Coronaviruses have been been mutating since before humans even existed. Yet none of the variants—ever—have proven to be particularly harmful to remotely healthy children. Why would we expect this one to evolve in that direction?
There’s a reason we never went into full scale vaccinations for coronaviruses prior to this. It mutates too fast. And it generally isn’t that dangerous. Sure, this one is dangerous to a very small percentage of the population (NOT children) but I’m not convinced that after thousands upon thousands of years of living with mutating coronaviruses unvaccinated children will all of a sudden become ground zero for some doomsday coronavirus variant.
You think it’s weird to question giving a new vaccine with very little testing on young children to young children who are at extremely low risk? That doesn’t seem like “following the science” to me.it's weird to question it if you are a garbage man or work at McDonalds. What exactly are you questioning? It feels like "vaccine, molecular biology, must be very very complicated, it must take a long time to develop!"
I don’t care if people want to vaccinate their young children, but shit is going to hit the fucking fan when they inevitably start mandating it in schools.
Republican logic:The framing around coronavirus has been a complete failure. Everything has focused on individual deaths due to COVID, "Do you want to die!", well the probability is low, "Do you want to kill Grandma!", and so on and so on.
If you are vaccinated; you are protected. Why would you care is someone else chooses not to be vaccinated? It has to be a control issue.
They literally only care about themselves.
And as far as giving kids shots. If I had a kid that was 6, and not averse to vaccines, I would absolutely have him get the vaccine. No question about it.My son was vaccinated on day 1.
The vaccine is safe, for god's sake. They wouldn't release anything for consumption to humans without verifying that.
This has to be satire. Has to be.
Anecdotal information alert: I just got the Moderna booster to re-up my immunity and help minimize the potential for serious illness down the road. Felt like crap last night: headache, chills and super sore arm. Couldn’t sleep much. Feel much better today.
Got my Moderna booster Tuesday. Felt chills and fatigue on Wednesday and back to normal Thursday. Very similar to my first 2 doses. I do have to say that it gives a senior a bit of confidence mixing with the masses.
Anecdotal information alert: I just got the Moderna booster to re-up my immunity and help minimize the potential for serious illness down the road. Felt like crap last night: headache, chills and super sore arm. Couldn’t sleep much. Feel much better today.
Got my Moderna booster Tuesday. Felt chills and fatigue on Wednesday and back to normal Thursday. Very similar to my first 2 doses. I do have to say that it gives a senior a bit of confidence mixing with the masses.
It’s totally true.
Kudos. Fully vaxxed, still trying to steer clear of the Neanderthals where I can.
if the vaccine works, who cares?
and why do you hate black people?
Lots of kids 5-11 dying?
Who know? Doubt anyone over there would ever publish those numbers.
Science tells us it’s not very dangerous to kids that age so we can probably extrapolate that it’s not killing them at a high rate. Probably less than here because their kids aren’t nearly as obese on average.
And science hasn’t yet told us what long-term, but not immediately deadly damage it can to do kids.
Hilariously, the exact same can be said for the vaccine.
Big Pharma corporations tell us it’s safe. Their lobby tells the FDA it’s safe. The FDA is under intense pressure from multiple angles to grant authorizations, but they’ve still taken quite a while to do so for children. And some of those on the panel have expressed concerns about the lack of data.
The FDA approves shit all the time that turns out to be really really bad for people. And that’s with the normal lengthy approval process, not the accelerated emergency version.
Meanwhile, something like 175 or so kids ages 5-11 have perished with Covid (all variants) listed as a cause of death in the US. It’s like 1 in 100,000 (reported) cases. And who even knows what other shit they had going on besides having Covid.
And we have Pfizer personnel on record stating that the natural immune response seems to be better than that of their own vaccine. The one that just got approved for children. Who recover just fine at an astonishingly high rate. 🤯
I’m all for people getting their young children vaccinated if that’s what they feel is best. Particularly if they have underlying health concerns. I also think there’s a compelling argument to be made for parents to not vaccinate their healthy young children.
Boy, you guys are starting early.It's after noon in Glasgow.
Of course the discussion has ignored kids getting The COVID and, while not impacting them, the possibility of passing it along to others who can be adversely impacted. But, hey, it is all about "me, me, me" these days."others who can be adversely impacted" should be the ones getting vaccinated.
"others who can be adversely impacted" should be the ones getting vaccinated.
I've never gotten a flu shot to protect others.
I've been told this is referred to as setting a good example......
https://twitter.com/i/status/1454751323405103105
Of course the discussion has ignored kids getting The COVID and, while not impacting them, the possibility of passing it along to others who can be adversely impacted. But, hey, it is all about "me, me, me" these days.
so, the vaccine doesn't work then?
Hilariously, the exact same can be said for the vaccine.
Of course the discussion has ignored kids getting The COVID and, while not impacting them, the possibility of passing it along to others who can be adversely impacted. But, hey, it is all about "me, me, me" these days.
Isn't the current theory that the vaccine is to " stimulate an immune response to create antibodies " in other people ?
15 days to slow the spread wasn't effective either.Because you assholes refused to do it.
Of course the discussion has ignored kids getting The COVID and, while not impacting them, the possibility of passing it along to others who can be adversely impacted. But, hey, it is all about "me, me, me" these days.
Because you assholes refused to do it.
Get the vaccine to protect other people and to protect your employer from paying out sick pay.
Sounds like a solid messaging approach. 15 days to slow the spread wasn't effective either.
Because you assholes refused to do it.
Because you assholes refused to do it.
so, the vaccine doesn't work then?
Not true. The vaccines stimulate an immune response to create antibodies for a virus.
A virus attacks your body.
I guess you could roll with the concept of the vaccine can have "side effects" but a virus does not - because a virus has "effects", not "side effects"
Get the vaccine to protect other people and to protect your employer from paying out sick pay.
Sounds like a solid messaging approach. 15 days to slow the spread wasn't effective either.
If author Tom Wolfe were still alive, he could write a nice long essay for NY magazine about the current crop of whiny conservatives.
medical professionals some time to refine breakthrough treatment procedures such as bleach and hydroxychloroquine.
Sorry, I was unable to respond earlier. I was busy riding on a private jet to the Glasgow climate summit.
Did you get a few winks in before landing?
https://nypost.com/2021/11/01/biden-nods-off-during-cop26-climate-conference/
Except that it is to protect yourself and other people, especially those who cannot get the vaccine.This would have been a good message from day 1. Accept that there will be a percentage who simply will not get vaccinated.
This would have been a good message from day 1. Accept that there will be a percentage who simply will not get vaccinated.
True. Would have been nice if Trump said this early on, since he should take/get some credit for getting the vaccine done.Fauci will be having a chat on Thur with the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions. Maybe they would like to hear the pangolin story and how he said, at the beginning, we shouldn't have to worry about the virus.
Fauci will be having a chat on Thur with the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions. Maybe they would like to hear the pangolin story and how he said, at the beginning, we shouldn't have to worry about the virus.
There is no pangolin, and never was.
2021 Fox Annual Meeting of Stockholders: Health and Safety Protocols
"Stockholders will be asked to complete an in-person symptom screening and receive a negative result and present: verification that they are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 (e.g., an original or copy of their COVID-19 vaccination record card from the CDC) along with government-issued photo identification; or acceptable proof of a negative COVID-19 test result (PCR or antigen) from within 24 hours of entering the FOX Studio Lot along with government-issued photo identification."
"All stockholders must wear facial coverings while inside buildings at all times on the FOX Studio Lot. If you do not have any facial covering, a FOX representative will provide a mask for you at no cost to you."
https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/foxs-shareholder-meeting-will-require-vaccine-passports-and-masks
https://investor.foxcorporation.com/annual-meeting
When will we see the videos of stockholders screaming "WE KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE!!!!”
Strange since most companies call them shareholders
They want the money and don’t give two fucks about you or your children.Hey dumb-dumb, I was just curious, did you get covid yet?
2021 Fox Annual Meeting of Stockholders: Health and Safety ProtocolsWhich of these measures go above and beyond LA requirements for large gatherings ?
"Stockholders will be asked to complete an in-person symptom screening and receive a negative result and present: verification that they are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 (e.g., an original or copy of their COVID-19 vaccination record card from the CDC) along with government-issued photo identification; or acceptable proof of a negative COVID-19 test result (PCR or antigen) from within 24 hours of entering the FOX Studio Lot along with government-issued photo identification."
"All stockholders must wear facial coverings while inside buildings at all times on the FOX Studio Lot. If you do not have any facial covering, a FOX representative will provide a mask for you at no cost to you."
https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/foxs-shareholder-meeting-will-require-vaccine-passports-and-masks
https://investor.foxcorporation.com/annual-meeting
When will we see the videos of stockholders screaming "WE KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE!!!!”
it was a stupid idea that wasn't going to work anyway
Trump was a fucking moron for even suggesting that we do the 2 week pause of the economy
Which of these measures go above and beyond LA requirements for large gatherings ?
They could have moved the meeting to Mississippi....S'pose so.
S'pose so.
Just hop a flight on American or Southwest from LAX to Jackson.
Oh, wait.
Which of these measures go above and beyond LA requirements for large gatherings ?
You do know that FOX Corp. has COVID vaccination and testing requirements for its employees.I guess the answer is "no", the measurements do not go above and beyond LA requirements for large gatherings.
“Following our request for employees to upload their vaccination status in our secure system, we are pleased to share that more than 90% of our full-time employees reported that they are fully vaccinated. This is important information for our company to know as we continue to implement our phased return to office timing and procedures.”
“Soon we will introduce another important health and safety measure for access to our facilities – daily COVID testing for the small group of employees who are not vaccinated or have not provided their vaccination status. Additional details about this protocol will be shared with the relevant employees in the near future.”
“We appreciate your continued cooperation as we work together in the best interests of our shared well-being. Thank you for being a valued FOX team member as an exciting fall season across our business is already underway.”
https://deadline.com/2021/09/fox-corp-will-require-daily-covid-tests-unvaccinated-workers-90-percent-1234833438/
Sounds like socialism to me.
I guess the answer is "no", the measurements do not go above and beyond LA requirements for large gatherings.
And the corporate option of vaccination or testing does not appear to satisfy the Biden mandate of mandatory vaccination for all employees in a company of over 100 employees.
Spin it all you want.🙏
Biden heard your prayers.
Which of our board members showed up at Dealey Plaza today?
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https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/healdsburg-councilmember-im-not-vaccinated/
Gotta love the old white Republican councilmember pushing for a vaccine requirement and the young biracial millennial democrat turns out to be unvaxxed
Wait until the 5-11 year olds get mandated.A short wait........
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/healdsburg-councilmember-im-not-vaccinated/
Gotta love the old white Republican councilmember pushing for a vaccine requirement and the young biracial millennial democrat turns out to be unvaxxed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAA1xgTTw9w
https://apnews.com/article/business-health-arkansas-springdale-e5aedc0751f257b906cb9c1032835612
What's this? Major employer mandates vaccine and it's good for business? Who knew?
Any of the old folks on here gotten a different booster than their original vaccine? Just curious.My booster will be Moderna.
Any of the old folks on here gotten a different booster than their original vaccine? Just curious.
It wasn’t a consideration for me. Stuck with the Moderna booster, which seems to be widely available.
FWIW, here’s another article on mixing and matching vaccine boosters:
https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/covid-19-vaccine-boosters-mix-and-match-what-evidence-shows
Any of the old folks on here gotten a different booster than their original vaccine? Just curious.Was J&J, got a Moderna
Aaron Rodgers with a big statement game tonightI really really hope the Packers lose a first round bye by one game or via tiebreaker, and then someone from the press doesn't kiss his ring and asks him flat out what the team thinks about having to play an extra game and lose Division round home field because he chose to be "immunized" instead of "vaccinated". Then if they end up with a road game, maybe he can make all the concessions and field staff whole on their missed extra paycheck.
I really really hope the Packers lose a first round bye by one game or via tiebreaker, and then someone from the press doesn't kiss his ring and asks him flat out what the team thinks about having to play an extra game and lose Division round home field because he chose to be "immunized" instead of "vaccinated". Then if they end up with a road game, maybe he can make all the concessions and field staff whole on their missed extra paycheck.
We knowAre you some sort of Packers lover? Fucking cheesehead. Turn in your orange and blue
We know
Are you some sort of Packers lover? Fucking cheesehead. Turn in your orange and blue
Anybody seen the California governor since his booster 11 days ago ?
Apparently his wife doesnt know where he is.
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Was J&J, got a Moderna
I’m about to get my flu shot
Apparently, the governor has been spotted.Pretty funny that your diatribe includes an image of Newsom with a mask
Looks like SF requires masks at large indoor gatherings at public places. I assume that includes the Palace of Fine Art.
"You must still wear a mask in public places, like stores, restaurants, and large indoor events, even if you are fully vaccinated."
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Pretty funny that your diatribe includes an image of Newsom with a maskI only said that he was spotted.
I only said that he was spotted.I don't know specifically, the photos you posted were at City Hall. I don't know if the indoor masking mandate is for unvaccinated people or not. The rules are by city/county, not statewide.
Are masks required at a large gathering in the Palace of Fine Arts ?
I don't know specifically, the photos you posted were at City Hall. I don't know if the indoor masking mandate is for unvaccinated people or not. The rules are by city/county, not statewide.
I don't know specifically, the photos you posted were at City Hall. I don't know if the indoor masking mandate is for unvaccinated people or not. The rules are by city/county, not statewide.The party was at Palace of Fine Arts.
Watch out, Mn!Thanks for the heads up. I read about it every day. It's just a seasonal thing, like California's rise. It's not due to mismanagement as in Florida.
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/11/09/covid-19-in-mn-latest-positivity-rate-nears-high-risk-threshold/
I’m about to get my flu shotAre you "immunized" ?
Thanks for the heads up. I read about it every day. It's just a seasonal thing, like California's rise. It's not due to mismanagement as in Florida.
I get my 1st booster tomorrow. Next one should be sometime in mid-May. I'll probably try to schedule boosters around changing the clocks instead of having to look up my records.
You're a lawyer, I believe. Seems odd that OSHA doesn't require employers to monitor adverse events from the Wuhan shot, but deems it necessary for employers to ensure that employees get the shot. Wouldn't adverse events be a 'safety in the work place issue' ?
Are you "immunized" ?
Asking for .......
I have natural AND artificial immunity. 💪CustardStrong. 💪
The party was at Palace of Fine Arts.
Re City Hall : 48. Can a business or government office require employees and customers to wear masks?
Businesses or government offices must require that all customers and visitors wear masks indoors to reduce the risk to their workers and others. They should clearly post the business’ or office’s requirements onsite and online and apply them consistently. There are limited situations where wearing a mask is not possible or required, such as while actively eating or drinking, showering or being shaved.
Or Getty's wedding must have been not included, by mistake.
Watch out, Mn!Including
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/11/09/covid-19-in-mn-latest-positivity-rate-nears-high-risk-threshold/
you're not going to find 99% of SF/Bay Area residents give a rats ass about the GettysThe ones that care wear masks, but those that don't care don't wear masks.
The ones that care wear masks, but those that don't care don't wear masks.
Is that how it works then ?
I thought the City made those decisions.
The city told the cops they had to get vaccinated or get fired. This guy chose to get fired.
https://sfist.com/2021/11/08/unvaccinated-sfpd-officer-dies-of-covid-age-46/
The city told the cops they had to get vaccinated or get fired. This guy chose to get fired.There is nothing in this article to suggest it was known that he was unvaccinated. This is irresponsible " journalism".
https://sfist.com/2021/11/08/unvaccinated-sfpd-officer-dies-of-covid-age-46/
Maybe Q97 will get the jab now...
https://www.thedailybeast.com/brothel-offers-vaccines-with-benefits-in-free-sex-for-the-vaxxed-campaign
Excellent.
Time to go out and PAAAÀAAARTAAAY.
There is nothing in this article to suggest it was known that he was unvaccinated. This is irresponsible " journalism".
RIP Officer Nyce
You just hate Occam's razor
Nyce's wife declined to tell the Chronicle whether or not he had been vaccinated, but all signs point to the high probability that he was not — and three anonymous sources told the paper that he had not met the city's vaccine deadline, so he was likely on leave pending a due-process hearing and possible termination proceedings.
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Oh. I wonder if this would be good information to track. For science.
On another note, I forgot to take a selfie yesterday or post a video to my Tik Tok account, but I did get my Moderna booster yesterday. Zero discomfort, including getting a needle jabbed in my arm. My vaccinator does good work.
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Oh. I wonder if this would be good information to track. For science.
On another note, I forgot to take a selfie yesterday or post a video to my Tik Tok account, but I did get my Moderna booster yesterday. Zero discomfort, including getting a needle jabbed in my arm. My vaccinator does good work.
https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-shifts-pandemic-goals-away-130028307.html
Who saw this coming, oh right... I did
https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-shifts-pandemic-goals-away-130028307.htmlThe shift began around Jan 20, 2021. Lol.
Who saw this coming, oh right... I did
They gave up trying to convince you idiots.
They gave up trying to convince you idiots.
Protect yourself, Mn!I'm triple shot immunized.
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/11/12/as-covid-hospitalizations-hit-year-long-high-doctors-plead-for-minnesotans-to-get-vaccinated-we-are-essentially-at-100-capacity/
From June 2020:
Mr Smith (@WestwoodParking) Tweeted:
Had a video ever aged so well in modern history? @chrissaccoccia1 https://t.co/BCeiF07PnG
We're #1.
Mn case rate the highest in the country.
The trend is shifting.
From today's fishwrap.
"The trend is shifting, though, with the most recent breakthrough data showing 47 COVID-19 deaths of fully vaccinated Minnesotans in the week of Oct. 10-16 compared with 44 in unvaccinated people."
No mention of whether or not Brandon and Xi discussed the pangolin search tho. I'm thinking not.
From June 2020:
Mr Smith (@WestwoodParking) Tweeted:
Had a video ever aged so well in modern history? @chrissaccoccia1 https://t.co/BCeiF07PnG
From June 2020:
Mr Smith (@WestwoodParking) Tweeted:
Had a video ever aged so well in modern history? @chrissaccoccia1 https://t.co/BCeiF07PnG
He got a key part of that wrong. Not nearly as many people are dying (thanks to the vaccine).
Less ppl are dying because it killed off the weakest first and now there are less weak ppl in the herd and doctors have better treatments and aren’t just shoving tubes down everyone’s throat like in the beginning. Plus ppl started taking vitamin D and ivermectin and other home remedies which don’t get reported by msm because they’re all complicit in the big Pharma money grab that lines politician pockets and keeps you all pussies living in fear
IlliniGolf is a badass 😎guess you better stop using viagra then in solidarity against big pharma
Big pharma is a BIG problem. They don’t want you to know about natural remedies or anything other than what they’re selling for a good reason. The politicians, big pharma, FDA, CDC, WHO, and others are all in cahoots with each other and it’s not in their best interest to find alternatives.
guess you better stop using viagra then in solidarity against big pharma
It’s funny you assume I need it.
And that’s a weak argument. Nobody is saying having medicines is a bad thing, but how corrupt they are and buying politicians is wrong. I definitely think Super PACs should be illegal. Basically a politician is selling his soul. And the saying goes, “If you weren’t corrupt when you decided to run for political office, you sure were corrupted once that money started coming in.” I would say 99% of people have a price. The other 1% never makes it far enough to make any difference.
Who would have thunk that Citizens United was problematic?
Yes, I definitely disagree with the right on this topic.
IlliniGolf is a badass 😎
Big pharma is a BIG problem. They don’t want you to know about natural remedies or anything other than what they’re selling for a good reason. The politicians, big pharma, FDA, CDC, WHO, and others are all in cahoots with each other and it’s not in their best interest to find alternatives.
But are chlorine and glue really strong alternatives?
Less ppl are dying because it killed off the weakest first and now there are less weak ppl in the herd and doctors have better treatments and aren’t just shoving tubes down everyone’s throat like in the beginning. Plus ppl started taking vitamin D and ivermectin and other home remedies which don’t get reported by msm because they’re all complicit in the big Pharma money grab that lines politician pockets and keeps you all pussies living in fear
Apparently not. Now that we know that’s what you’re using, that would definitely explain your takes on here.
#FollowtheScience
Is it really shocking after all these years that Golf and JudgeJudy are fucking idiots?
#FollowtheScience
Ongoing Clinical Trials Will Decide Whether (or Not) Ivermectin Is Safe, Effective for COVID-19
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/09/scicheck-ongoing-clinical-trials-will-decide-whether-or-not-ivermectin-is-safe-effective-for-covid-19/
7 studies ivermectin fans cite to say the drug works against COVID-19, and why they're flawed
https://www.businessinsider.com/ivermectin-studies-for-covid-19-see-the-flawed-evidence-2021-10?amp
Ivermectin: How false science created a Covid 'miracle' drug
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809
#FollowtheMoney
Ivermectin Doesn’t Help Covid, But Generic Drug Makers Are Cashing In
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-13/ivermectin-demand-sends-sales-soaring-for-foreign-generic-drugmakers
How 'America's Frontline Doctors' Sold Access to Bogus COVID-19 Treatments—and Left Patients in the Lurch
https://time.com/6092368/americas-frontline-doctors-covid-19-misinformation/
Right-wing physicians profit off of fake COVID-19 treatments, report finds
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/practices/right-wing-physicians-profit-off-fake-covid-19-treatment-new-data-finds
Acquired immunity from vaccination is certainly much safer and preferred. Given the evidence of immunity from previous SARS-CoV-2 infection, however, policy makers should consider recovery from previous SARS-CoV-2 infection equal to immunity from vaccination for purposes related to entry to public events, businesses, and the workplace, or travel requirements.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00676-9/fulltext#.YZPzdewQFYc.twitter
MSM puppet and big corporate shill thanks for proving my point sellout !
The problem with natural immunity is that it’s free
And less effective than the vaccine.
Acquired immunity from vaccination is certainly much safer and preferred.
And less effective than the vaccine.
incorrect, where you do come up with this shit
says who, pfizer?Close. Lol.
For those that have been infected? I thought the data said otherwise.
FWIW, pretty good article on the issue. And not behind the paywall.
CDC finds immunity from vaccines is more consistent than from infection, but both last at least six months
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/01/what-works-better-vaccines-or-natural-immunity/
For those that have been infected? I thought the data said otherwise.
And the hosiptals in MN would still be full?From what I've read, per cent of hospital beds is a function of staffing. A hospital that was fully staffed may have had 500 beds, but with reduced staffing they may be down 50 beds or more ?
Close. Lol.
I think they're saying that if you catch the Wuhan and end up a poor outcome statistic, the vaccine is much safer and more effective. If you catch the Wuhan and have no real issues, then maybe not so much so.
You should probably think less.
I think it’s fine for the government vaccine mandate to include a path for permitting natural immunity in lieu of vaccination. But the business community will want clear federal or state guidelines for confirming proof of natural immunity.
I think it’s fine for the government vaccine mandate to include a path for permitting natural immunity in lieu of vaccination. But the business community will want clear federal or state guidelines for confirming proof of natural immunity.An educated approach from Spectrum in Sept. The article mentions merging with Beaumont Health. The linked Beaumont article from Oct does not mention antibody testing per se.
A Michigan-based health care provider recently became one of the first major employers in the country to offer its workers proof of natural immunity as a temporary alternative to vaccination. The health system will accept a positive antibody test within the past three months coupled with either a positive PCR test or antigen test for COVID-19 as proof of immunity.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/09/09/spectrum-health-workers-can-use-natural-immunity-vaccine-mandate-exemption/8262491002/
you need all your boosters to get the same amount of immunity as having a mild case of covid
the original 2 shots only protect against the alpha variant, the booster is for delta and they reduce in efficacy after 6 months... it is very likely that your natural immunity lasts a lot longer and also protects you from variants. This whole clown world narrative being driven that vax or nothing is insanely dangerous and harmful. I mean the CDC came out the other day and said even if we vaxxed everyone on the planet at the same exact time the virus would still be around... lol
Small businesses want to make money and run their businesses, they don't want more bureaucratic bullshit to deal with than they already haveYou should sit on an advisory committee for CDC/HHS.
you clowns are so out of touch it makes me laugh
Small businesses want to make money and run their businesses, they don't want more bureaucratic bullshit to deal with than they already have
you clowns are so out of touch it makes me laugh
An educated approach from Spectrum in Sept. The article mentions merging with Beaumont Health. The linked Beaumont article from Oct does not mention antibody testing per se.
Was the Spectrum Health decision before the threat of losing federal funding depending on vaccination/testing programs ?
https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2021/10/21/covid-19-vaccines-beaumont-suspends-370-workers/6125286001/
I forgot to add this note:
For more information on the immunization policy and merger, please contact the community relations department at Spectrum Health, toll free at 866-989-7999.
Ring them up, Mn!I give them credit for acknowledging previous infection and antibody titers
Another strike for the pangolin:
A leading virologist reported on Thursday that the first known coronavirus patient was likely a vendor in a Wuhan market hawking domestic and wild animals. Michael Worobey’s analysis of the geographic pattern of China’s early COVID cases led him to suggest the virus came from an infected animal at the Huanan Seafood Market. The animal then passed the disease to a female vendor, who became symptomatic on Dec. 11, 2019.
The peer-reviewed article, published by Worobey in the academic journal Science, does not purport to definitively solve the mystery of the virus’ origins, but rejects previous findings by World Health Organization researchers that “patient zero” was an accountant with no links to any markets, labs, or mass gatherings.
Worobey, who is a specialist in the origins of viral epidemics, was one of 18 scientists who penned a letter to Science in May calling for all possible sources of the virus to be investigated—including the controversial “lab-leak” theory. But in his Thursday report, the virologist noted that more than half of the earliest known cases were among those with direct connections to the market. “It becomes very difficult to explain that pattern if the outbreak didn’t start at the market,” Worobey said.
Don't be an asshole.
Mn still thinks the pizza place has a basement.
So now it's the raccoon dog, not the poor pangolin.
Maybe they should look at those files the government won't release ?
Meanwhile, are the wagons circling ?
https://news.yahoo.com/fresh-look-earliest-covid-cases-190104796.html
Oh well...there goes my theory that it came from a shipment of Chicago smelt to Wuhan.Don't be so sure of that. Case #1 may have been the seafood vendor.
you need all your boosters to get the same amount of immunity as having a mild case of covid
the original 2 shots only protect against the alpha variant, the booster is for delta and they reduce in efficacy after 6 months... it is very likely that your natural immunity lasts a lot longer and also protects you from variants. This whole clown world narrative being driven that vax or nothing is insanely dangerous and harmful. I mean the CDC came out the other day and said even if we vaxxed everyone on the planet at the same exact time the virus would still be around... lol
Small businesses want to make money and run their businesses, they don't want more bureaucratic bullshit to deal with than they already haveAll the more reason to have a vaccine mandate. It's very simple to get a vaccine, and simple to prove.
you clowns are so out of touch it makes me laugh
Dude stop making shit up. This is so weirdly written, it has to be parody troll.
There is no "different" booster shot.
Stop it with this "natural immunity" bs. That term is nonsensical. How did this framing ever appear anyway. The anti bodies a vaccinated person carries were created by their body, naturally. Your body creates anti bodies based on things it sees infecting the body. The vaccines we produce create the same effect, but without infection.
If you make the claim that delta is "different" enough that you need a different shot for the delta variant, then you would need to be infected by the delta variant to get non vaccine induced immunity to the delta variant as well. The vaccine or COVID induced antibodies will work against delta, because the proteins are nominally the same just organized differently so as to be more contagious and replicate better.
All the more reason to have a vaccine mandate. It's very simple to get a vaccine, and simple to prove.
its even simpler to leave everyone the fuck alone
its even simpler to leave everyone the fuck alone
you're fucking stupid stick to microchips and bad communist takes, the vaccine is not all that effective if it was you wouldn't need a booster for every variant and cases wouldn't still be risingPercents of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths for vaccinated vs unvaccinated, the data is clear.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/christmas-cancelled-gibraltar-vaccinations-b966816.html
Percents of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths for vaccinated vs unvaccinated, the data is clear.
I'd say stick to finance but you said our stock was overheated 1000 points ago
Percents of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths for vaccinated vs unvaccinated, the data is clear.
If they agreed to stay at home and die quietly, I'd be okay with that.
you're fucking stupid stick to microchips and bad communist takes, the vaccine is not all that effective if it was you wouldn't need a booster for every variant and cases wouldn't still be rising
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/christmas-cancelled-gibraltar-vaccinations-b966816.html
Hey Q, did you get The Vid yet?
What was it like?
Spicy !
https://americanmind.org/salvo/vaccine-regret/
Mn, from the Failing NYTimes morning email:I'm well over 50, and all shot up.
In Minnesota, which publishes detailed Covid data, the death rate for fully vaccinated people under 50 during the Delta surge this year was 0.0 per 100,000 — meaning, so few people died that the rate rounds to zero.
In Minnesota during the Delta surge, the average weekly hospitalization rate for vaccinated residents between 18 and 49 was about 1 per 100,000.
I'm well over 50, and all shot up.So is the "freedom" thing just an effort to cull the herd of idiots? And we "mandate" people are just messing with your eugenics?
Mn, warn your pod!
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/11/23/covid-in-minnesota-natl-guard-arrives-as-hospitals-are-overrun-with-covid-cases/
oh wow an annual winter flu surge, who didn't see this coming? oh right... the dumb fucking government thats who
but yes lets keep shitting on hospital employees forever and wonder why they keep quitting and there are now hospital bed shortages
Flu surge? Oh brother.
We set a new 2021 record. I seem to remember Brandon saying over a year ago that he had a plan to put an end to this stuff.
Everything should be good by Thursday tho. Fauci said vaccinated family members can get together without masks for the most expensive Thanksgiving Day dinner ever.
"Demand for antibodies is skyrocketing across Minnesota with the latest COVID surge, as evidence mounts that the treatment can help prevent hospitalizations and deaths. But health systems in the metro have been providing a disproportionately small share of treatments, which prompted the Health Department in October to open its own infusion center."
Can, and but. 🤔
Oh, he had a plan to end this stuff. The problem is the 5th Circuit put it on hold and the 6th Circuit is about to put a stake in its heart.Damn 250 year old piece of paper getting in the way again.
oh wow an annual winter flu surge, who didn't see this coming? oh right... the dumb fucking government thats who
...
yes, I assume you also read Edgar Hope-Simpson's book "The Transmission of Epidemic Influenza"Actually, I think you're a little off on this one. We don't know what happened to the flu bug. It didn't show up last year and it's having trouble picking up much steam this year.
if you had you'd realize that both coronaviruses and influenza share the same flu seasonalities (by latitude) as they are transmitted in the same manner
yes, I assume you also read Edgar Hope-Simpson's book "The Transmission of Epidemic Influenza"
if you had you'd realize that both coronaviruses and influenza share the same flu seasonalities (by latitude) as they are transmitted in the same manner
What experts say about the best time to get a flu shot this year
"’What you should do is get it [flu shot] as soon as you can and in the most expeditious manner,’ Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer Monday.”
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/28/health/flu-shot-influenza-covid-booster-2021-wellness/index.html
Yes, there will be a flu season this year, CDC says
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/19/health/flu-season-starting-wellness/index.html
CDC expects flu season to be worse than last year
https://connecticut.news12.com/cdc-expects-flu-season-to-be-worse-than-last-year
Reduced Flu Shot Rates Raise Concerns at the U.S. CDC
https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/reduced-flu-shot-rates-raise-concerns-us-cdc
Actually, I think you're a little off on this one. We don't know what happened to the flu bug. It didn't show up last year and it's having trouble picking up much steam this year.
But in a typical year here, flu doesn't seem to start showing up much until right about now. Full blown flu season seems to be in December, January and February. I haven't seen anything that indicates the flu is here in any numbers yet.
I'm guessing most people wouldn't be reading about Minnesota flu statistics unless they lived here.
Damn 250 year old piece of paper getting in the way again.
Do you really think it is the flu that is putting people in the hospitals?It does every year. It does worse than that too.
It does every year. It does worse than that too.
I'm no attorney, but I found this article helpful:
Biden’s Covid vaccine mandate will likely go to the Supreme Court. Here’s how the courts have ruled before
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/18/bidens-vaccine-mandate-will-likely-go-to-the-supreme-court-heres-how-the-courts-have-ruled-before.html
It does every year. It does worse than that too.Does it matter, if the prevention and abatement protocols are the same, which airborne respiratory virus we're talking about?
I think you are going to be disappointed....the examples cited in that article are far different from an administrative agency enacting an emergency rule as wide as this one is. This is about administrative rulemaking and goes beyond mandating shields on workplace cutting devices so that workers don't get their fingers cutoff.
"Prior to the pandemic, the agency had not issued an emergency standard since 1983. The courts have halted or overturned four of the 10 emergency standards issued by OSHA prior to the vaccination requirements. A fifth was partially vacated."
I'm no attorney, but I found this article helpful:
Biden’s Covid vaccine mandate will likely go to the Supreme Court. Here’s how the courts have ruled before
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/18/bidens-vaccine-mandate-will-likely-go-to-the-supreme-court-heres-how-the-courts-have-ruled-before.html
Do you really think it is the flu that is putting people in the hospitals?
no you fucking idiot
I'll go along with a vaccine mandate if I'm allowed to sue the company if we get bad side effects from it
until then, go fuck yourself
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I'm ready there. I root for Illini football and basketball....
I don't get the meme. Even the 2d time around.
Is the debate over the origin of Covid-19 still worth having?Those 3 grants to the author, from Fauci's NIAID, may be paying some dividends.
https://www.statnews.com/2021/11/05/is-debate-about-origin-of-covid-19-still-worth-having/
Those 3 grants to the author, from Fauci's NIAID, may be paying some dividends.
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https://vivo.weill.cornell.edu/display/cwid-jpm2003
https://employee.hr.lacounty.gov/vaccinationsmandate/
Site Quick Links
Using the Fulgent System
Accommodations Requests/Exemptions to the Vaccine Policy
Using the Fulgent System
All County workforce members must be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and must provide proof of full vaccination against COVID-19, unless they have been granted an exemption for medical or religious reasons.
The County is expanding its contract with Fulgent, a leader in laboratory testing services and an existing vendor with the County, to maintain employee vaccination records and conduct required regular COVID-19 testing for applicable employees, contractors, and volunteers.
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Oh.
Why is correspondence addressed to "The Honorable" ?
https://employee.hr.lacounty.gov/vaccinationsmandate/
Site Quick Links
Using the Fulgent System
Accommodations Requests/Exemptions to the Vaccine Policy
Using the Fulgent System
All County workforce members must be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and must provide proof of full vaccination against COVID-19, unless they have been granted an exemption for medical or religious reasons.
The County is expanding its contract with Fulgent, a leader in laboratory testing services and an existing vendor with the County, to maintain employee vaccination records and conduct required regular COVID-19 testing for applicable employees, contractors, and volunteers.
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Oh.
Why is correspondence addressed to "The Honorable" ?
Usually, if it sounds like a hoax it is. This is not. Reality stranger than fake news.
Fulgent met with L.A. County leaders last month to address their concerns.
“These representatives from the L.A. County sheriff’s office were made aware that Fulgent does not collect any personal DNA in connection with COVID testing and disregarded all of Fulgent’s valid points from this conversation in writing this letter to the L.A. [County] Board of Supervisors,”
In a statement Tuesday, Perthuis wrote that the U.S.-based company was founded and is led by American citizens. He said the company does not share personal data about people who are tested with the Chinese government and that the company does not use samples collected during tests to sequence people’s unique DNA structure.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-11-29/la-county-sheriff-fulgent-genetics-covid-testing-data-china
https://religionnews.com/2021/11/30/marcus-lamb-anti-covid-vaccine-christian-broadcaster-dies-at-64/
Any evidence that the source of the funding influenced the authors thinking?1. The unpublished data is needed. China won't release it. Is that data that Daszak's colleagues in China were working on ?
Any thoughts on the actual substance of the article?
"We may never know the origin of Covid-19. The lack of hard facts precludes certainty and the knowledge gaps will probably not now be filled."
"The debate is between the natural-origin and lab-leak theories, and it is becoming increasingly sterile and ever-more vicious."
"One positive outcome is that lab-leak theory has refocused the world’s virologists on an important scientific topic: gain-of-function research."
"Any remaining ambiguities in how gain-of-function research is defined, conducted and regulated need definitive resolutions. The risks of triggering a new human pandemic must be clearly understood and respected. We must satisfy the public that our work benefits society and does not threaten it."
1. The unpublished data is needed. China won't release it. Is that data that Daszak's colleagues in China were working on ?
2. The ever-more vicious debate is a result of the wall put up by Fauci and the media to promote the zoonotic origin.
3. Gain of function research needs to be appropriately monitored. There appear to be failures at many levels in the Wuhan research. The author's 'you can trust us and China has learned its lesson' isn't quite enough to accept his 'let's move on' request.
4. ". The risks of triggering a new human pandemic must be clearly understood and respected. " Talk to Daszak, and his colleagues in China, about that.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1463673517501816840
Your source is Hans Mahncke, the guy who co-hosts the show Truth Over News on Epoch TV?Lol.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/author-hans-mahncke
He’s a right-wing nutjob.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1463673517501816840
The comments are interesting.And Daszak talks about pathogenicity, which would not be perfectly safe.
" He talks about experiments with virus pseudoparticles. These are artificial constructs which can attach to and enter cells, but can’t replicate. Routinely used to study virus attachment and entry. Perfectly safe."
We should totally take their word for it. How do you guys decide who to believe and not to believe?
We should totally take their word for it. How do you guys decide who to believe and not to believe?
We should totally take their word for it. How do you guys decide who to believe and not to believe?
"look, I am very skeptical of WIV and EcoHealth and i suspect shenanigans. However this clip does not say what you think it does.They were making pseudoviruses with spikes from bat viruses to assess the ability of bat viruses to infect humans. Pseudoviruses are not dangerous."And this video clip is from 3 years prior to the start of the pandemic. In 2018, one year before the pandemic, the State Dept was warned of the safety measures at the WIV. Pseudoviruses most likely would not have triggered a safety warning.
It's not hard.
It’s really not. People say liberals are the ones who think with their emotions, but conservatives constantly eschew established facts and evidence in favor of their political beliefs and emotional choices.
I wish I had the level of confidence some of you do that most of what we are shoveled by the media at large isn’t just whatever bullshit the world’s power brokers want us to see, hear and believe.
Hardly anyone has the ability to actually confirm or fact check almost anything we are told about a whole lot of topics.
And someone will sincerely say “But wait, we have all these online fact checkers!” while hilariously oblivious to the notion that the fact checkers are just ordinary people using google to check the information against the same source that fed it to us in the first place.
And any remnant of investigative journalism that’s still out there gets shut down when it gets too close to the truth. Or, labeled conspiracy theory. Or disappeared from social media.
I wish I had the level of confidence some of you do that most of what we are shoveled by the media at large isn’t just whatever bullshit the world’s power brokers want us to see, hear and believe.
Hardly anyone has the ability to actually confirm or fact check almost anything we are told about a whole lot of topics.
And someone will sincerely say “But wait, we have all these online fact checkers!” while hilariously oblivious to the notion that the fact checkers are just ordinary people using google to check the information against the same source that fed it to us in the first place.
And any remnant of investigative journalism that’s still out there gets shut down when it gets too close to the truth. Or, labeled conspiracy theory. Or disappeared from social media.
I wish I had the level of confidence some of you do that most of what we are shoveled by the media at large isn’t just whatever bullshit the world’s power brokers want us to see, hear and believe.
Hardly anyone has the ability to actually confirm or fact check almost anything we are told about a whole lot of topics.
And someone will sincerely say “But wait, we have all these online fact checkers!” while hilariously oblivious to the notion that the fact checkers are just ordinary people using google to check the information against the same source that fed it to us in the first place.
And any remnant of investigative journalism that’s still out there gets shut down when it gets too close to the truth. Or, labeled conspiracy theory. Or disappeared from social media.
We need a catchy name for the Custard-QAnon97-Tempo axis....
In summary:
1. Fart writes a lengthy conspiracy theory about conspiracy theories.
2. Q97, the board's craziest member, adopts said theory in its entirety.
3. Judy, the board's dumbest member, agrees with all of it.
Suhhhhpriseee…
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/01/trump-tested-positive-covid-before-biden-debate-chief-staff-mark-meadows-book
Didn't he also test negative around that time?Yes. Within hours. However long it took to re-run the sample.
In summary:
1. Fart writes a lengthy conspiracy theory about conspiracy theories.
2. Q97, the board's craziest member, adopts said theory in its entirety.
3. Judy, the board's dumbest member, agrees with all of it.
George Carlin also agreed. Many years ago.
George Carlin also agreed. Many years ago.
Please don’t try to align yourself with George Carlin. He would in no way tolerate modern conservatives. He didn’t even like them 15 years ago.
Please don’t try to align yourself with George Carlin. He would in no way tolerate modern conservatives. He didn’t even like them 15 years ago.
I would agree. He would have eviscerated the Trumplicans. I’d say Carlin was an anti-PC Marxist, or anarchist. Take your pick.
One of my favorite Carlin quotes:
“...If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public...”
What in the actual fucking fuck are you talking about? I align with George Carlin on pretty much everything that ever came out of the man’s mouth. I’ve been quoting him on HQ for years.
Meanwhile you just keep stepping on your own dick daily on this message board by being a willfully ignorant moron that paints everything with an enormously broad brush.
You live in this weird macro world where you need to pigeonhole everyone to help you organize your weird belief system, which leads to rhetoric and a narrative that is divisive as fuck.
Custard is lecturing me on a rigged belief system. The ironing is delicious.
What in the actual fucking fuck are you talking about? I align with George Carlin on pretty much everything that ever came out of the man’s mouth. I’ve been quoting him on HQ for years.
Meanwhile you just keep stepping on your own dick daily on this message board by being a willfully ignorant moron that paints everything with an enormously broad brush.
You live in this weird macro world where you need to pigeonhole everyone to help you organize your weird belief system, which leads to rhetoric and a narrative that is divisive as fuck.
What in the actual fucking fuck are you talking about? I align with George Carlin on pretty much everything that ever came out of the man’s mouth. I’ve been quoting him on HQ for years.
Meanwhile you just keep stepping on your own dick daily on this message board by being a willfully ignorant moron that paints everything with an enormously broad brush.
You live in this weird macro world where you need to pigeonhole everyone to help you organize your weird belief system, which leads to rhetoric and a narrative that is divisive as fuck.
Custard = Jobu is a matchCustard = a pigeonholed medicated Trumper
All while you’re talking out your ass and lying saying Rittenhouse crossed state lines with a rifle. Maybe your political bias is showing. You’ve been flailing on here for awhile.
All while you’re talking out your ass and lying saying Rittenhouse crossed state lines with a rifle. Maybe your political bias is showing. You’ve been flailing on here for awhile.
Please don’t try to align yourself with George Carlin. He would in no way tolerate modern conservatives. He didn’t even like them 15 years ago.
Please illustrate my modern conservatism.
Negative.
Tempo has a juvenile attachment to simplistic cause and effect in a universe where “cause” is diffuse, conflicting, and provisional.
But it’s part of the charm.
Lol
says the Trump supporter
He did a hell of a lot better than your boy Brandon!
Negative.
Tempo has a juvenile attachment to simplistic cause and effect in a universe where “cause” is diffuse, conflicting, and provisional.
But it’s part of the charm.
He did a hell of a lot better than your boy Brandon!
Lol
Who did you vote for in ‘16 and ‘20?
He did a hell of a lot better than your boy Brandon!What's a little violent insurrection among friends, right?
What's a little violent insurrection among friends, right?
I’m guessing you’re a quality example of the kind of conservative I was talking about re: MSM. If I have you pegged wrong, please correct me. I’d honestly be happy to hear you describe yourself. It’s possible I have the wrong perception. But I’m not sure you ever answered the question. Are you vaxxed?
What's a little violent insurrection among friends, right?
It’s not easy to categorize me the way you want to categorize me. I’m basically the opposite of you. I don’t have a side. I’m not an ideologue. I don’t play identity politics because I enjoy forming my own thoughts around individual issues. My viewpoints will continue to evolve as I learn. I don’t lump anyone who doesn’t agree with me on a particular topic onto the “other team”.
I shared this on OG HQ so it’s been a while ago now, but I took a quiz that helps illustrate where the quiz taker lines up on the political spectrum. The results showed that I leaned anarcho-communist. Which, to quote Marcellus Wallace, is “Pretty fucking far” from modern conservative. I just don’t think humans have evolved to the point where we could make it work in actual practice.
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So I guess what happened at the Boston Tea Party shouldn’t have happened, amirite?! Just bow down and take it like a man!
Was Mn in New York for a convention before Thanksgiving and caught the omegatron variant? We need to know if he was that guy!It was not me, but I trusted Walter Cronkite if that makes a difference.
I took the political compass quiz https://www.politicalcompass.org/test and answered honestly and this was my result
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but I guess when the overton window keeps shifting left for most of the lefty lunatics on the twitterverse or wherever else I could be seen as a Trumper or right wing wacko or something with my marginally freedom based takes
I took the political compass quiz https://www.politicalcompass.org/test and answered honestly and this was my result
(https://i.imgur.com/C3f06Pk.png)
but I guess when the overton window keeps shifting left for most of the lefty lunatics on the twitterverse or wherever else I could be seen as a Trumper or right wing wacko or something with my marginally freedom based takes
My Political Compass Test score:
• Economic Left/Right: -6.63
• Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28
I think the test-writers need to update their propositions or statements.
Here’s an alternative quiz that makes use of the same format. You can quibble with the statements, but they seem less loaded. I like that you can take a neutral position. You also can indicate how important the statement is to you.
https://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html
My Political Compass Test score:
• Economic Left/Right: -6.63
• Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28
I think the test-writers need to update their propositions or statements.
Here’s an alternative quiz that makes use of the same format. You can quibble with the statements, but they seem less loaded. I like that you can take a neutral position. You also can indicate how important the statement is to you.
https://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html
That's a far cry from an anarcho commie. What happened?
I’m mellowing.
fwiw, I can't see the hippy dippy weather man ever siding with even so called libertarian conservatives.
Hanging out with Gelato, eh?
fwiw, I can't see the hippy dippy weather man ever siding with even so called libertarian conservatives. He was always left of center. Just not a politically correct speech code liberal.
From his comedy album A place for my stuff in 1981:
They’re all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you’re born, you’re on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don’t want to know about you. They don’t want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you’re preborn, you’re fine; if you’re preschool, you’re fucked
Conservatives don’t give a shit about you until you reach “military age”. Then they think you are just fine. Just what they’ve been looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. Pro-life… pro-life… These people aren’t pro-life, they’re killing doctors! What kind of pro-life is that? What, they’ll do anything they can to save a fetus but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it?They’re not pro-life. You know what they are? They’re anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don’t like them. They don’t like women.They believe a woman’s primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state”
https://medium.com/fml-or-bust/5-social-issues-george-carlin-made-relevant-3ca7ef5f80b1
How many vaccines have you had?
How many vaccines have you had?
I'll bet you've had quite a few. MMR, for example. Probably a TDAP or two.
But it would be awesome if you haven't. I think diptheria is among the worst ways to die.
haha whoops (was about 4 beers deep last night), I have had many vaccines
I have had zero experimental gene therapies
you get loopy on 4 beers? Lightweight.
they were 6% but yes, my tolerance has waned quite a bit
Fair enough, but a feller should keep his tolerances up.
FDA Doubles Down: Asks Federal Judge to Grant it Until at Least the Year 2096 to Fully Release Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine Data
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/fda-doubles-down-asks-federal-judge?justPublished=true
why though what is the FDA and Pfizer hiding if its safe and effective?
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/fda-doubles-down-asks-federal-judge?justPublished=true
why though what is the FDA and Pfizer hiding if its safe and effective?
Michigan - all time high for COVID hospitalizations. Nothing to see here.
Michigan - all time high for COVID hospitalizations. Nothing to see here.
Zero you dumb fuck
Obviously already knew you were a moron, but this surprises me. I thought not even you were that stupid.
Surprise.
Pfizer CEO says fourth Covid vaccine doses may be needed sooner than expected due to omicron
Are you casting doubt on the effectiveness of this vaccine or just thinking this guy wants to make more $?
Are you casting doubt on the effectiveness of this vaccine or just thinking this guy wants to make more $?If they're having trouble with their revenue streams, may as well try to get that 4th shot in before the pill becomes available.
If they're having trouble with their revenue streams, may as well try to get that 4th shot in before the pill becomes available.
Hey does anyone know why we never made a human vaccine for coronaviruses before now?
Surprise.
Pfizer CEO says fourth Covid vaccine doses may be needed sooner than expected due to omicron
look at all these unvaxxed losers in here that don't have their 1st dose!
, he said with an erection.The difference between me and the pro-COVID crowd, is that I wanted all of us to exercise control - through free will or coercion if necessary, for a short period of time, and be done with this. So another wave is not exiciting, it sucks.
Fixed it for ya
You would assume that if the CDC was going to crush the civil and individual rights of those with natural immunity by having them expelled from school, fired from their jobs, separated from the military, and worse, the CDC would have proof of at least one instance of an unvaccinated, naturally immune individual transmitting the COVID-19 virus to another individual. If you thought this, you would be wrong.
My firm, on behalf of ICAN, asked the CDC for precisely this proof (see below). ICAN wanted to see proof of any instance in which someone who previously had COVID-19 became reinfected with and transmitted the virus to someone else. The CDC’s incredible response is that it does not have a single document reflecting that this has ever occurred. Not one. (See below.)
It certainly seems as if the vaccine is working, by preventing deaths and hospitalizations, for something that was developed quickly. Maybe I am wrong, but it is not as if the flu vaccine handles mutations/different flu strains very well.
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/cdc-admits-crushing-rights-of-naturally
Didn't some movie or singer guy get it twice in the same month?
probably not
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/cdc-admits-crushing-rights-of-naturally
Do ya'll think it's just a coincidence that the same people who are impressively, massively dumb about nearly every topic are also anti-vax? Or is there a correlation there?
Do ya'll think it's just a coincidence that the same people who are impressively, massively dumb about nearly every topic are also anti-vax? Or is there a correlation there?
TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — "A researcher in a high safety level laboratory in Taipei has tested positive for COVID and may have contracted the disease while experimenting on the virus."
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4371080
Low key the highest rates in the country right now is pretty much a 100 mile circle around Champaign. Multiple counties at over 100 cases per 100k people, higher than any overall state average in the nation.The Amish, Darren Bailey and the Douglas County sheriff to the south, Rantoul to the north, Danville to the east.
You know that Taiwan is not part of China....yet.When are the Olympics over ?
Do ya'll think it's just a coincidence that the same people who are impressively, massively dumb about nearly every topic are also anti-vax? Or is there a correlation there?
I'll say it again, I'm not anti vaccines, I'm anti-rushed-gene-therapy-for-no-reason
If I was over 50 I would get it, since I'm not, and I've had covid already, no thank you, the risk of side effects greatly outweighs any benefit.
Sorry you're an authoritarian asshole and can't get that through your thick skull but whatever
The Amish, Darren Bailey and the Douglas County sheriff to the south, Rantoul to the north, Danville to the east.
Yeah, that checks out.
The difference between me and the pro-COVID crowd, is that I wanted all of us to exercise control - through free will or coercion if necessary, for a short period of time, and be done with this. So another wave is not exiciting, it sucks.
The pro-COVID crowd wants this to go on and on and on and on - so they are pumped up that it keeps going - SEE, WE HAVE TO LIIIIIIIVE WITH IT!!!
The Amish, Darren Bailey and the Douglas County sheriff to the south, Rantoul to the north, Danville to the east.
Yeah, that checks out.
I thought Illinois was under mask mandate? Vast majority of the people in that quadrant reside in C-U, which is a blue college town.
I thought Illinois was under mask mandate? Vast majority of the people in that quadrant reside in C-U, which is a blue college town.
A} Fuck you for being an ignorant Know Nothing
B} Fuck you for being an agitator
C} Yes, Champaign County has a population of ignorant Know Nothing Agitators with whom you'd identify
I agree with your recent post about being open-minded. Unfortunately, your path to intellectual enlightenment is riddled with self-induced potholes of Common Sense. If you want to be an enlightened intellectual, you can't be common.
C} Yes, Champaign County has a population of ignorant Know Nothing Agitators
I thought he lives in Mattoon.
This reminds me of Mike Tyson’s Punch-Out! In this case, Custard is Glass Joe.
I'll say it again, I'm not anti vaccines, I'm anti-rushed-gene-therapy-for-no-reason
Chance That COVID-19 Vaccines Are Gene Therapy? 'Zero'
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
Fact Check-mRNA vaccines are distinct from gene therapy, which alters recipient’s genes
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-mrna-gene/fact-check-mrna-vaccines-are-distinct-from-gene-therapy-which-alters-recipients-genes-idUSL1N2PH16N
Why mRNA vaccines aren’t gene therapies
https://www.genomicseducation.hee.nhs.uk/blog/why-mrna-vaccines-arent-gene-therapies/
I'll say it again, I'm not anti vaccines, I'm anti-rushed-gene-therapy-for-no-reason
If I was over 50 I would get it, since I'm not, and I've had covid already, no thank you, the risk of side effects greatly outweighs any benefit.
Sorry you're an authoritarian asshole and can't get that through your thick skull but whatever
Yeah he beat the shit out of that straw man.
They note that the CDC as of Dec. 5 has recorded more seniors at least partly vaccinated —55.4 million—than there are people in that age group—54.1 million, according to the latest census data from 2019. The CDC’s vaccination rate for residents 65 and older is also significantly higher than the 89% vaccination rate found in a poll conducted in November by the Kaiser Family Foundation.
https://qz.com/2101126/us-cdcs-covid-19-vaccination-rates-appear-inflated-say-experts/
hmmm
1 state (Pa) getting fixed. Just 20 more to go, if they all contact the CDC.
"The CDC never picked up the new data, despite Pennsylvania health officials’ requests."
Should be fixed in a few weeks, when it will be out of date data anyway.
Lol.
Looks like several other states have been working with the CDC to clear up the vaccine data discrepancies.3 of those are from Jan, Feb and March. So those don't count.
But that requires work. Much easier to turn the vaccination data into a political football.
COVID vaccine pharmacy data in Georgia and other states is incorrect, CDC says
https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/coronavirus/article250061644.html
Read more at: https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/coronavirus/article250061644.html#storylink=cpy
Hawaii Corrects Vaccination Rates After Booster Report Error
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/hawaii/articles/2021-11-30/hawaii-corrects-vaccination-rates-after-booster-report-error
CDC: Kentucky Vaccination Totals Over-Reported Due to Database Error
https://www.wkyufm.org/post/cdc-kentucky-vaccination-totals-over-reported-due-database-error#stream/0
State [NC] working to clear up CDC data discrepancy
https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/state-working-to-clear-up-cdc-data-discrepancy/19484575/
Vaccine dose count caught up in data discrepancies, community health centers say
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/vaccine-dose-count-caught-up-data-discrepancies-community-health-centers-say-2021-02-03/
3 of those are from Jan, Feb and March. So those don't count.
Looks as tho Ky should have been corrected by early Nov.
Hawaii is current.
Yep, the data discrepancies were flagged and acknowledged several months ago. That's good. You think those states and CDC have stopped working together to address descrepancies?Close enough, at least hopefully by the end of the year, for government work.
Oh, wait...the CDC just issued a statement about the vaccination data problem: "One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear."
Close enough, at least hopefully by the end of the year, for government work.
This is not rocket surgery. You give a shot, you log a shot.
It’s a little more complicated than that; it involves recording, storing, managing, reporting and analyzing the following information for each vaccination:
• Name,
• Address
• Sex
• Date of birth
• Race and ethnicity
• The date and location of the vaccination
• The shot received
This big data collection effort comes after decades of the “hollowing-out” of federal, state and local health departments due to budgetary caps, staff retirements/brain drain and poor leadership.
Upgrading data collection will be a work in progress. Agree that it should be a government priority.
Are you the CDC apologist?! What the fuck. Like just shut up. Why the fuck would you defend them so strongly? WeirdI think all of Judy's previous work was leading up to this moment.
Meanwhile, every state will tell you how many shots were given this week, and where they stand with percent vaccinated.
If only if it were that simple. Many challenges have plagued state and local health department efforts to collect, track and report vaccinations. Some problems have been fixed, but others will require more work. Here’s a sampling:The New Hampshire article questions CDC accuracy, as in the link from 97.
"The New Hampshire vaccine dashboard shows 61.1% of residents are at least partly vaccinated, but the state is not counting all people who get their shots in pharmacies due to data collection issues, said Jake Leon, spokesperson for the state Department of Health and Human Services."
https://khn.org/news/article/cdc-senior-covid-vaccination-rates-appear-inflated/
“Both the city and state track vaccinations closely and regularly report those data. The problem is their systems don’t automatically link up for people who get doses in and out of the city. So, for instance, someone who got the first two doses in Montgomery County, but got a booster in Philadelphia, is not counted by the state as being boosted and is counted by the city as having only one dose. The opposite is true for someone who originally got vaccinated in Philadelphia and then was boosted outside the city.”
https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/covid-booster-data-philadelphia-pa-20211211.html
“In contrast to these automated systems, Utah County is stuck entering records manually one at a time, a process that involves some 30 people laboring on the data on days vaccines are administered. Members of the National Guard have started helping the county with data entry, and Tolman-Hill said that officials are working on finding ways to automate some of the grunt work, including scanning.”
https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/29/covid19-vaccination-data-tracking-disparities/records.
“Health officials are unable to accurately track the number of vaccines administered in several states because of a reporting issue between pharmacies and state databases, CDC officials confirmed to McClatchy. Georgia is one of the states affected by the error. A state health department data team discovered the state’s shots were undercounted because site locations were not entered in electronic health records after a vaccine dose was administered through the Federal Retail Pharmacy Program. The shot would be incorrectly credited as a dose administered in the pharmacy company’s home state instead of the state where the shot was actually given, a state health department spokesperson told McClatchy.”
https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/coronavirus/article250061644.html
“Hawaii health officials had to revise the state's coronavirus vaccination rate after providers counted booster shots as first doses. The percentage of residents who received at least one dose was lower than previously reported and the number booster shots given is higher, the Honolulu Star-Advertiser reported.”
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/hawaii/articles/2021-11-30/hawaii-corrects-vaccination-rates-after-booster-report-error
"There's been an error in the number of vaccinations reported to the federal reporting system. The state of Kentucky says one major pharmacy, which is still unnamed, has accidentally been reporting numbers in two separate systems. That means the data Health Director Billy Pitts and the Marshall County Health Department have for vaccinations aren't correct at the moment."
https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/vaccine-numbers-in-kentucky-miscalculated-after-reporting-error-from-unnamed-pharmacy/article_976cd2ae-32dc-11ec-8c33-0b6c053ee879.html
The New Hampshire article questions CDC accuracy, as in the link from 97.
The Philadelphia article most likely relates to the previous Pa article. Should be hopefully fixed by the end of the year, lol.
The Utah County is from January, 11 months ago.
The Ga article is from March, 8 months ago.
Hawaii is a current article.
Ky has been addressed. It should have been rectified by now per the previous article.
I can look at Mn as of Fri and see discrepancies with CDC data as of today.
If you want to believe CDC, they'll tell you their data is not accurate.
"CDC officials said the agency may not be able to determine whether a person is receiving a first, second, or booster dose if their shots were received in different states or even from providers within the same city or state. This can cause the CDC to overestimate first doses and underestimate booster doses, CDC spokesperson Scott Pauley said."
If you want to believe the states, the CDC data is not accurate.
Walensky should go back to Massachusetts General and Harvard.
Good. It looks like you now have a better understanding of the complexity of vaccine collection and reporting issues in the U.S.Mn coronavirus website: 3,689,184 with at least 1 dose as of 12-8.
Let’s recap:
• The problems are widespread (not just CDC, but also at the state and local level)
• The problems started early on, not recently
• The problems are diverse; in some cases, requiring unique fixes
• Some problems have been resolved, some are ongoing and new ones have cropped up
The good news is that the CDC and states have demonstrated a willingness to work together to fix the problems.
The Trilateral Commission has been pulling the strings for years!
I've met such hippies. They're as dumb as you are.
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watch out murph!
CNN, but I found it interesting.Anyone who is retired has probably thought of this already. I'm sure many will also say they wish they would have retired a couple of years earlier.
How millions of jobless Americans can afford to ditch work
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/15/economy/labor-force-retirement-great-resignation/index.html
Anyone who is retired has probably thought of this already. I'm sure many will also say they wish they would have retired a couple of years earlier.
With the lab leaked virus, the decision to retire early was essentially forced on them.
It makes some sense. From what I’ve seen people have left their jobs for one of three primary reasons:
Mask mandate
Vaccine mandate
Got a better job
Let’s expand your list a little to include workplace stress:That's just anecdotal. Fart has first hand evidence that covid isn't real or not that bad among white, rural working class people involved in ag, sales and/or transportation industries.
This might be a good time to take the health care worker vaccine mandate to SCOTUS.
They already ruled.in 1905.They ruled about health care facilities that provide care to Medicare recipients in 1905 ?
They ruled about health care facilities that provide care to Medicare recipients in 1905 ?
Why are they asked to rule again ?
That won’t solve the stress and burnout in the health care sector.The CMS mandate may be more restrictive than requirements that individual health care facilities have in place.
https://www.ama-assn.org/practice-management/physician-health/half-health-workers-report-burnout-amid-covid-19
And if you look at hospitals and healthcare systems that have mandated the vaccines on their own, they’ve retained between 95% to 99% of their workforce.
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals/how-many-employees-have-hospitals-lost-to-vaccine-mandates-numbers-so-far
Get jabbed and boosted folks.
Because people can still sue whenever they wantYou should be a lawyer.
They ruled about health care facilities that provide care to Medicare recipients in 1905 ?
Why are they asked to rule again ?
The CMS mandate may be more restrictive than requirements that individual health care facilities have in place.
Losing administrative or support personnel is one thing. Losing care personnel is another.
Nonetheless, imo leave these people alone other than to thank them and reward them.
Nonetheless, I believe there was already an injunction entered prohibiting that one from being enforced nationally.Today .....
Today .....
CNN)The Department of Justice asked the Supreme Court on Thursday to allow a vaccine mandate aimed at certain extra health care workers to go into effect nationwide,
Almost Alum-like there, but you don't have a link!You got all the info you need tho.
That won’t solve the stress and burnout in the health care sector.
https://www.ama-assn.org/practice-management/physician-health/half-health-workers-report-burnout-amid-covid-19
And if you look at hospitals and healthcare systems that have mandated the vaccines on their own, they’ve retained between 95% to 99% of their workforce.
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals/how-many-employees-have-hospitals-lost-to-vaccine-mandates-numbers-so-far
Get jabbed and boosted folks.
That's just anecdotal. Fart has first hand evidence that covid isn't real or not that bad among white, rural working class people involved in ag, sales and/or transportation industries.
It makes some sense. From what I’ve seen people have left their jobs for one of three primary reasons:
Mask mandate
Vaccine mandate
Got a better job
Shove it up your ass.
This ...
"Anyone with a press credential can call around to hospitals until they get the sound bite that fits the narrative they wanted to create."
I just did the math and the funny thing is that roughly half the people I run with socially are medical practitioners. A pretty good chunk (~50%) of the rest are educators at various levels. Some are actually both.
The medical practitioners I know tend to be less fatigued by this than the educators. There are extremely lucrative opportunities available right now for medical staff of all levels, especially short term assignments for those willing to travel. And most of them are already used to wearing masks and working shitty hours.
I’m sure part of the lucrative aspect is because so many have quit (probably older ones closer to retirement age, for various reasons) during a time when some places are seeing much higher demand for healthcare services.
Educators, on the other hand, have been slammed with all these protocols and mandates with no pay raises in most cases. And they’re stuck. They’re being tasked with trying to maintain a teaching environment but also administering all these other roll outs to boot.
There are several stay at home moms just in my neighborhood who used to be occasional substitute teachers for some supplemental income but are now essentially full time teachers. They can’t refuse very many calls or otherwise they get dropped to the bottom of the list and they make no supplemental income. One woman, who is a young widow and mother of three, finally said “fuck it” last week.
I don’t mind posting my real world encounters with people who know what is going on (at least in a given area) and having that contrasted with Alum74 posting articles. Anyone with a press credential can call around to hospitals until they get the sound bite that fits the narrative they wanted to create. People forget that.
The conversations I have with these industry professionals happen in decent sized groups at brunch or happy hour or when we are having a neighborhood get-together or working at a charity event or over Thanksgiving dinner.
One of my dearest friends is a practicing physician and also a med school professor. Should her thoughts be held in any lower regard than those found in Alum74’s articles?
They really don’t have any reason to make shit up, they’re just normal people navigating a very challenging situation. Their thoughts and feelings are certainly more complex and nuanced than the snippets we see in clickbait articles.
You read some of this shit and it sounds like everyone has lined up into regimented groups with no ability to think for themselves.
I clearly remember someone using anecdotal commentary from a family member (sister, sister-in-law, etc) to conduct vehement ad hominem attacks on forum members regarding coronavirus protocols/severity/risk factors. That person also repeatedly wishes death upon those who disagree with their/them’s perspective.
But that’s noble because, well, people who have different perspectives on something that’s still being sorted out should die. That mindset has worked great over the millennia.
I can see why you moved to Tennessee: a state where the political leaders place more weight on anecdotal evidence and inflexible ideologies than strong scientific evidence.
https://www.tennessean.com/story/opinion/2021/07/29/gov-lee-putting-anecdotal-evidence-before-science-dangerous/5395012001/
I can see why you moved to Tennessee: a state where the political leaders place more weight on anecdotal evidence and inflexible ideologies than strong scientific evidence.
https://www.tennessean.com/story/opinion/2021/07/29/gov-lee-putting-anecdotal-evidence-before-science-dangerous/5395012001/
Indiana iirc
Did Custard announce where he moved?
I thought he said Tennessee. My apologies if I'm wrong.
He could be in Gary, for all we know. With water front property.
https://twitter.com/DrJBhattacharya/status/1471986453823459330/photo/1I saw that.
Indiana iirc
Unvaccinated Kyrie Irving to play for the Nets next week because they have too many other injuries and players with covid
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32891013/sources-brooklyn-nets-bring-back-kyrie-irving-road-games
🤡🌎
This post did not age well, now did it?Is he in the Covid protocol because he has to pass 5 tests before he can play, and not because he has the Covid ?
Hilarious .
Is he in the Covid protocol because he has to pass 5 tests before he can play, and not because he has the Covid ?
Optics
Fart, I'ma add to my hope list. In addition to Q's untimely death, I hope someone sues you for using this website to spread misinformation.
The idea that medical professionals are fed up with masks, and that their collective suffering is the creation of a meddling journalist, is disgusting.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/586267-florida-man-kicked-off-united-flight-for-using-underwear-as-mask-in
IlliniGolf thinks he is Rosa Parks.
What else was I supposed to do !?
The Chairman of the UK’s COVID modelling committee admitted that they exclusively model bad scenarios that aid pro-lockdown policy decisions.
It’s pretty obvious that what they’re doing is shutting things down and then measuring what impact it has on pollution levels and the weather. It’s the only way they could do it as a test because no one would shut down willingly without having an excuse like a pandemic to see if it’s even going to do any good or not ! Lot of info out there about it on 4 Chan !
What
The big problem in the Netherlands right now is the slow rollout of the booster. So far fewer than 9% of adults have had the booster shot.
No link!
The big problem in the Netherlands right now is the slow rollout of the booster. So far fewer than 9% of adults have had the booster shot.
Darn it, can't sneak anything by you. Here you go:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59715940
Must be the Trilateral Commission is back at work here.
I read something like this bonkers Ian Bogost essay in The Atlantic - read it, please, before you assume I’m being uncharitable - and I wonder, who is this for? And when he says “you,” who is you?
Bogost’s piece is an absolute classic, maybe the classic, in a particularly strange form of worry porn that progressives have become addicted to in the past half-decade. It’s this thing where they insist that they don’t want something to happen, but they describe it so lustily, imagine it so vividly, fixate on it so relentlessly, that it’s abundantly clear that a deep part of them wants it to happen. This was a constant experience in the Trump era - liberals would imagine that Trump was about to dissolve Congress and declare himself emperor, they’d ostensibly be opposed to such a thing, but they were so immensely invested in the seriousness and accuracy of such predictions that they’d clearly prefer for it to happen. I wrote about Chris Hayes and his bitter yearning for Trump last week, and he’s a good example, someone who ruminates on Trump and the dystopian future he might bring about with such palpable emotional pathology that it’s clear that, on some level, he needs it to happen, so that he can say “I was right.”
And so with Bogost here; that level of anxious catastrophizing always carries with it the quiet, throbbing need for the bad dream to come true. Covid is already bad, very bad. I am always so confused that so many people seem desperately to want it to be worse.
Unvaccinated Kyrie Irving to play for the Nets next week because they have too many other injuries and players with covidFake news
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32891013/sources-brooklyn-nets-bring-back-kyrie-irving-road-games
🤡🌎
Came across my The Google feed. Hope it is true. Never heard of this publication before.From March 2020 ....
https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2021/12/us-army-creates-single-vaccine-effective-against-all-covid-sars-variants/360089/
https://twitter.com/DrJBhattacharya/status/1471986453823459330/photo/1And from Birx, a month and a half earlier.
And from Birx, a month and a half earlier.
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I can not meet with medical experts.
And she ended up being correct it looks like.How many people could have lost 20 pounds or more if the 'health professionals' used covid case data to promote healthier lifestyles, rather than telling everybody to hide in the basement and order take-out food ?
How many people could have lost 20 pounds or more if the 'health professionals' used covid case data to promote healthier lifestyles, rather than telling everybody to hide in the basement and order take-out food ?
Nonetheless, natural immunity will not be discussed. End of story.
People don't want to get the vaccine. What makes you think they would lose 20 lbs if told to do so? QAnon97, Golf, and Judy would gain 50 out of spite.I think the degree of natural immunity can be a function of the severity of the infection. Asymptomatic infections may not provide the level of immunity that a symptomatic infection does.
Hasn't natural immunity been shown to be less effective than immunity if you have the shots AND get The COVID? Thought I saw that. I'll leave it up to Alum to find the link!
Dunno, health professionals promoting weight loss beginning in early-mid 2020 rather than mandating vaccines later may have been more beneficial both short-term and long-term.
1st US omicron death due to, well he tested positive.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1473480933579923456
You trust CNN to put the audio on unadulterated?Which one ? The CNN host audio, or the phone call audio ? Lol.
Which one ? The CNN host audio, or the phone call audio ? Lol.
People don't want to get the vaccine. What makes you think they would lose 20 lbs if told to do so? QAnon97, Golf, and Judy would gain 50 out of spite.
Hasn't natural immunity been shown to be less effective than immunity if you have the shots AND get The COVID? Thought I saw that. I'll leave it up to Alum to find the link!
funny because I lost 20lbs last year because I wasn't going out to eat or drink as much and decided to go outside more ....Good for you.
On another note, it sounds like Rob may be AOTC on the cause of death of the Houston fella.
I think the degree of natural immunity can be a function of the severity of the infection. Asymptomatic infections may not provide the level of immunity that a symptomatic infection does.why do you hate corn farmers? thankfully trump does not share your disdain
Dunno, health professionals promoting weight loss beginning in early-mid 2020 rather than mandating vaccines later may have been more beneficial both short-term and long-term.
Good for you.
And anecdotal evidence for the PAMan.
The key is that government health officials did not tell him to lose weight.
And, the closures worked! He lost weight and survived The COVID, to Rob's chagrin, because he was not out stuffing his face.
It is kind of alarming how little messaging there was around strengthening the immune system and minimizing the risk.
Thanks Trump!
It is kind of alarming how little messaging there was around strengthening the immune system and minimizing the risk.
It is kind of alarming how little messaging there was around strengthening the immune system and minimizing the risk.
It’s disgusting across the board. We knew in the first month who was primarily dying from this.
Months later we see correspondence from Dr. Birx acknowledging the elephant in the room and basically no one takes the lead on addressing this enormous risk factor?
Now are almost a year into Brandon and where has the proactive health messaging been other than wear a mask and get vaccinated/boosted? Bring back Michelle Obama as First Lady!
It’s disgusting across the board. We knew in the first month who was primarily dying from this.
Months later we see correspondence from Dr. Birx acknowledging the elephant in the room and basically no one takes the lead on addressing this enormous risk factor?
Now are almost a year into Brandon and where has the proactive health messaging been other than wear a mask and get vaccinated/boosted? Bring back Michelle Obama as First Lady!
It’s disgusting across the board. We knew in the first month who was primarily dying from this.
Months later we see correspondence from Dr. Birx acknowledging the elephant in the room and basically no one takes the lead on addressing this enormous risk factor?
Now are almost a year into Brandon and where has the proactive health messaging been other than wear a mask and get vaccinated/boosted? Bring back Michelle Obama as First Lady!
So who was “primarily” dying from Covid?
if you're over 85 years old you have better odds of surviving russian roulette than covid
which kills 1 out of 3 people over 85
Early on, wasn't it grandma and grandpa in the nursing homes?
Alan Alda
John Madden
Jim Brown
Who gets to die first? Odds on Madden, right?
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!!!!!!
10-2?
Should have been from 6-9.
So who was “primarily” dying from Covid?
Why do you hate science and stats?
Answer the question with facts, not strawman arguments.
Robb worried to death about getting COVID and the asshole is gonna end up dead from diabetes. That’s probably why he’s so worried. Looks like he just came out of a fucking dumpster. And he wants to talk shit to other people. What a fucking loser.
Uh, the same group of people that have been primarily dying from the get go? Old people with comorbidities? Why even ask the question if you’ve even followed this at all?
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Uh, the same group of people that have been primarily dying from the get go? Old people with comorbidities? Why even ask the question if you’ve even followed this at all?
Out of the estimated 800,000 that have died from from Covid, how many were “old people with co-morbidities?” What would you have done for them? Prescribed more orange juice?
Out of the estimated 800,000 that have died from from Covid, how many were “old people with co-morbidities?”
What would you have done for them? Prescribed more orange juice?
There's no money to be made or control to be had with natural immunity
Oh brother. Just saw some numbers. One example used was a 75 year old woman with normal heatlh. Vaxxed 0.45% chance of dying if get The COVID. Not vaxxed, over 5%. Yeah, you are full of shit.
Meanwhile the hospitals are packed with anti vax assholes.
if you're over 50 get the shot
if you're not and in good health, don't bother
why is that an antivaxxer take lol
There's no money to be made or control to be had with natural immunity
if you're over 50 get the shot
if you're not and in good health, don't bother
why is that an antivaxxer take lol
Except a certain percentage of people are requiring hospitalization and dying trying to get it.
And now all these mandates are being put in place because of asshole conspiracy theorists.
no they are being put in place because authoritarians love power and will never ever relinquish it
I think the jury is still out on the antiviral properties of vitamin D.Other than your April and June articles, I might skip your Popular Science article by MK Menon and go with something more current from the NIH......
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-vitamin-d-help-protect-against-covid/
https://www.popsci.com/science/vitamin-d-immunity-viruses/
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/04/14/985863133/a-year-in-heres-what-we-know-about-vitamin-d-for-preventing-covid
Having said that, I’m taking vitamin D supplements at the recommendation of my doctor. He checked my vitamin D levels via a blood test and found I was deficient. He also recommended that I mask up, social distance and avoid large groups in indoor settings. Doing all these things made sense to me, including the vitamin supplements.
I also noticed a series of articles in late summer/early fall 2020, in which Fauci was quoted saying that vitamin D supplements are important if you are deficient. He also recommended getting enough sleep, maintaining a healthy diet and alleviating stress through exercise to help keep your immune system strong.
With Trump at the helm, it unfortunately was hard to broadcast a cohesive, consistent safety message to the public in the first 4-6 months of the pandemic. Birx and Fauci were spending too much time trying to correct Trump's many false COVID claims.
Remember those daily press briefings? Painful to watch.
Other than your April and June articles, I might skip your Popular Science article by MK Menon and go with something more current from the NIH......
Not that there's anything wrong with Yahoo Life or Today's Parent.
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" Both datasets show a strong correlation between the death rate caused by SARS-CoV-2 and the vitamin D blood level. At a threshold level of 30 ng/mL, mortality decreases considerably. In addition, our analysis shows that the correlation for the combined datasets intersects the axis at approximately 50 ng/mL, which suggests that this vitamin D3 blood level may prevent any excess mortality. "
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8541492/
COVID-19 Mortality Risk Correlates Inversely with Vitamin D3 Status, and a Mortality Rate Close to Zero Could Theoretically Be Achieved at 50 ng/mL 25(OH)D3: Results of a Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis
[Illini] Can the government NIH be trusted?[Golf]The researchers with data ? Or the beaurocrats ?
The researchers with data ? Or the beaurocrats ?
GMAFB. You are purportedly smarter than JizzJerkoff. Mandating you wear a fucking mask at a shopping mall does not keep people subserviant so they don't vote you out. That is just fucking stupid.
You steal Gelato's stash?
Other than your April and June articles, I might skip your Popular Science article by MK Menon and go with something more current from the NIH......
Not that there's anything wrong with Yahoo Life or Today's Parent.
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" Both datasets show a strong correlation between the death rate caused by SARS-CoV-2 and the vitamin D blood level. At a threshold level of 30 ng/mL, mortality decreases considerably. In addition, our analysis shows that the correlation for the combined datasets intersects the axis at approximately 50 ng/mL, which suggests that this vitamin D3 blood level may prevent any excess mortality. "
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8541492/
COVID-19 Mortality Risk Correlates Inversely with Vitamin D3 Status, and a Mortality Rate Close to Zero Could Theoretically Be Achieved at 50 ng/mL 25(OH)D3: Results of a Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis
how many state governors have willingly relinquished their emergency powers?Oregon just extended hers til June.
From the study you cited:And from article 22 that they cite
“Although there exists very broad data-based support for the protective effect of vitamin D against severe SARS-CoV-2 infections, we strongly recommend initiating well-designed observational studies as mentioned and/or double-blind randomized controlled trials (RCTs) to convince the medical community and the health authorities that vitamin D testing and supplementation are needed to avoid fatal breakthrough infections and to be prepared for new dangerous mutations.”
Like I said earlier, I think the jury is still out, plus NIH has not updated it current position that “there is insufficient evidence to recommend either for or against the use of vitamin D for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19.” .
Let’s wait for the results from well-designed studies that are currently underway, especially double-blind, placebo-controlled randomized trials. Further research is also needed to determine appropriate dose, duration and delivery mode for vitamin D.
Meanwhile, I’ll keep taking the vitamin D supplements that my doctor recommended.
P.S. I’m not a big fan of meta-analyses because of quality control issues. Nevertheless, here’s a recent one that found "vitamin D deficiency or insufficiency was not significantly linked to susceptibility to COVID-19 infection or its associated death."
https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12937-021-00744-y#citeas
if you're over 50 get the shot
if you're not and in good health, don't bother
why is that an antivaxxer take lol
Oregon just extended hers til June.
how many state governors have willingly relinquished their emergency powers?
And from article 22 that they cite
"The final analysis included 144 patients with confirmed COVID-19 (median age, 66 years; 64 [44.4%] male). Overall mortality was 18%, whereas patients with 25(OH)D levels of 30 ng/mL (to convert to nmol/L, multiply by 2.496) and higher had lower rates of mortality compared with those with 25(OH)D levels below 30 ng/mL (9.2% vs 25.3%; P=.02). In the adjusted multivariable analyses, 25(OH)D as a continuous variable was independently significantly associated with lower in-hospital mortality (odds ratio, 0.94; 95% CI, 0.90 to 0.98; P=.007) and need for invasive mechanical ventilation (odds ratio, 0.96; 95% CI, 0.93 to 0.99; P=.01)."
And from article 31
"Bolus vitamin D3 supplementation during or just before COVID-19 was associated with less severe COVID-19 in frail elderly.
Bolus vitamin D3 supplementation during or just before COVID-19 was associated with better survival rate in frail elderly."
Vitamin D can be prescribed by any doc. The people dying every day probably dont care much about how long the jury wants to deliberate.
I didn't need a prescription for vitamin D. My doctor gave me a recommendation on the brand and dosage. I purchased the supplements both online and locally.Anything to get to 30ng/ml or higher would most likely require 50,000 unit dosing, which requires a prescription. Over the counter formulations can probably get to 20-25 ng/ml depending on the starting blood levels.
As for the people who are dying, I wouldn't want to speculate on what they are thinking.
Why not get the shot if you’re 40 and in “good shape?”
I believe we are still in this, don't you think?
🤣 no
There's no money to be made or control to be had with natural immunitySure there is. Regeneron is 60x the cost of a vaccine
🤣 no
So we had time for multiple companies to develop vaccines, test them for efficacy, acquire emergency use approval, and administer them for a full year…but we must take a years long wait and see approach on the efficacy of readily available Vitamin D, which was being suggested almost from the start as a potential therapeutic. 🤷🏻♂️And I'll add that millions upon millions upon millions of people have taken Azithromycin, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin pre-pandemic.
I’m sure it has nothing to do with the fact that Vitamin D3 is dirt cheap, readily available, and that the wrong people were touting it from the get go.
If there is actually anything to this, it is going to take an absolute mountain of overwhelming evidence that D3 has therapeutic benefit for the millions upon millions of people who are entirely invested in deifying the vaccines/CDC to even begin to acknowledge that they openly vilified people for championing lifesaving tools we already had in our arsenal.
The skeptic in me can think of hundreds of billions of reasons why large scale studies into D3 have not been conducted in earnest, or why the results of any small scale preliminary trials will be obfuscated for as long as possible.
But then I remember the federal government and huge multinational corporations have an impeccable track record of transparently doing what’s right by us, and then I feel silly for even bringing it up.
Anything to get to 30ng/ml or higher would most likely require 50,000 unit dosing, which requires a prescription. Over the counter formulations can probably get to 20-25 ng/ml depending on the starting blood levels.
Dosing is done with blood work.
at this point, unless your take is "screw it, we stop testing completely, ignore anyone who doesn't have symptoms", then we've completely blown it.
The NHL is shut down, not due to a lockdown, due to "too many players infected"
Bowl games are gonna start falling apart, NCAAB, soon enough the NFL is gonna shutter
Now United and Delta have canned 5% of their schedule at a time when flights are max booked because they have too many infected staff members. Not "Because Brandon", because the pilots and attendants and gate crews are sick. So thousands of people are gonna be stranded in random places for days, maybe weeks, now imagine if we get a storm (a few years back I had a cancelled flight on Dec 26 and was rebooked for Jan 1). That's a massive disruption to the economy, and it's gonna be worse than the start because back then we said "essential workers" and the case numbers were low enough that there actually were some essential workers available.
This is gonna get very very ugly. I am 50% sure that Trump's semi about face is that enough people got to him and described that yeah, this time it really is a cliff and you're gonna be written up in the history books for not preventing it by getting your nutball base in line
Who said it was going to take years?
Because the odds of a bad side effect are greater than the likely effects of covidIs this from Alex Jones?
Is this from Alex Jones?
at this point, unless your take is "screw it, we stop testing completely, ignore anyone who doesn't have symptoms", then we've completely blown it.
The NHL is shut down, not due to a lockdown, due to "too many players infected"
Bowl games are gonna start falling apart, NCAAB, soon enough the NFL is gonna shutter
Now United and Delta have canned 5% of their schedule at a time when flights are max booked because they have too many infected staff members. Not "Because Brandon", because the pilots and attendants and gate crews are sick. So thousands of people are gonna be stranded in random places for days, maybe weeks, now imagine if we get a storm (a few years back I had a cancelled flight on Dec 26 and was rebooked for Jan 1). That's a massive disruption to the economy, and it's gonna be worse than the start because back then we said "essential workers" and the case numbers were low enough that there actually were some essential workers available.
This is gonna get very very ugly. I am 50% sure that Trump's semi about face is that enough people got to him and described that yeah, this time it really is a cliff and you're gonna be written up in the history books for not preventing it by getting your nutball base in line
Did you attend an elementary school?
It’s already been almost two?
yeah totally about health and not control at all 🙄
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you idiots deserve your retarded "leadership"
we should strip fat fucks of their insurance too while we're at it since they are the largest (heh) burden on the system
Nah, I'm not that fat.
Which camera guy? You mean my buddy Mark?
I think it was a pretty good decision for me to run 3 to 6 miles every other day for a couple of decades. But the resulting damage to my lumbar vertebrae has caused a lot of problems, including weight gain (which comes on fast when you eliminate your major form of exercise).
But I'm on my way back down, now.
Mark is one of my favorite people in the Illini basketball universe. He's a true original, and a character. I'm glad he was honored, and glad that you watched the video.
we should strip fat fucks of their insurance too while we're at it since they are the largest (heh) burden on the system
the hospitals are full again
Apparently some people missed the part where the hospitals are full again despite the vaccine lowering the odds of hospitalization.
I’m going to post this for like the 20th time since February 2020. I believe this article was originally titled “A Vaccine Won’t Stop the New Coronavirus”
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/
Epidemiologists knew what this was almost two years ago. They knew coronaviruses mutate and vaccines wouldn’t work long term. They knew it was likely uncontainable and would become endemic. This is a rare nugget of truth that came before this whole thing became hopelessly politicized.
How long are we going to shut down industries because vaccinated people test positive and aren’t even sick? We are actually really lucky the most transmissible variant is the one that is the most mild.
But I anticipate the people who are delusional enough to still think we can “crush the virus” will demand we shut everything down again and everyone scared to death of liability will follow suit.
In the beginning it was all about trying to keep hospitals from being overrun. That was a rational response. Unfortunately Covid is now an entire fucking industry/religion unto itself. And industries and religions don’t like cannibalizing their own businesses and jobs so don’t look for this to go away any time soon. 🤦🏻
how fucking stupid are you, all the info you need to form an informed opinion is out there... but you choose to consume leftist mainstream media for retards instead
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html
Looks like no data from the armpit of Indiana.
What a ridiculous take. Do you pump gas for a living or some other thing that requires zero critical thought?
First off the garbage take that since a vaccine is not an absolute, it's worthless. Unfortunately an even worse take amongst many of the vaccinated is thinking the vaccine *IS* an absolute. These are all tools we use towards a goal.
This quote is really the creme de le creme of fuzzy thinking.
"How long are we going to shut down industries because vaccinated people test positive and aren’t even sick?"
It implies that the companies are just doing the will of BIG BROTHER. Successful companies are successful because they make good decisions. If you're the CEO of say, United, there is NO WAY you're gonna fly with a flight attendant who popped a positive and the company knows about it. First off, that threatens spread across their workforce, and they could lose additional employees, to symptoms or because the employee voluntarily quaranteens (ordering a known positive employee to go to work would pretty much result in an employee strike and a passenger boycott). Operationally, it's a disaster. This is also the rationale for a vaccine mandate. Vaccinated employees are less likely to pop a positive, to spread before a positive hits, and will recover sooner (note also that a company like United is almost certainly self-insured for health care so an employee who avoids a hospital stay is a direct positive to the bottom line, they aren't paying buffet premiums).
The biggest deal is that if you are flying with a staffer with a known positive, and a passenger is infected and dies, that's an 8 figure lawsuit and a public relations disaster.
Here's a thought anecdote. Across the country, schools are having huge staffing issues. they can't keep full time staff, substitutes are very difficult to find. Teaching isn't a very attractive concept right now.
My son's school has mandatory masking, 2x/week testing of all students, faculty, and family of same. If you leave the state or fly, student must stay home two weeks and get a negative PCR. Layered on top of this is a generalized culture - "nobody is gonna get COVID. Period. Don't be stupid."
Sounds pretty awful, huh? The 8th grade teacher quit to move away to take care of his aging Mother. In an atmosphere where hiring is super difficult, in a high cost area - the school had 30 applicants for the job. Because for a teacher, knowing the school is gonna do everything it can to prevent an infection and the parents aren't going around accosting the faculty, that's a pretty damn attractive job. What's worse? Having to wear masks or not having a stable teacher situation?
I'm sure it's very comfortable for the MAGAdjacent.
Wait, so because your hospital isn't full, therefore hospitals aren't full?
If you don't report the data, it looks great. Just like Mr. Cheeto said.
Obviously you’re really, really, really dug in on your viewpoint that we can still banish this virusHold on, didn't you just say you're against massive straw men?
"Vermont has the highest vaccination rate in the nation, is one of the least densely populated states, and the ERs are clogged by people with no COVID symptoms."
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vs Fauci .... said it would be safe for fully vaccinated individuals, who are boosted, to attend smaller family gatherings.
Quite the dilemma.
Looks like no data from the armpit of Indiana.
Hold on, didn't you just say you're against massive straw men?
Looks like no data from the armpit of Indiana.
Looks like the rising number of hospitalizations in Vermont started before Thanksgiving.
An early key factor for the ICU surge was “pent-up demand from critically-ill patients whose medical conditions worsened due to lack of medical care earlier in the pandemic. At the same time, Covid-19 intensive care admissions rose almost 30% since the beginning of October.”
Staff vacancies also made it difficult for hospitals to keep ICU beds open. Contract workers from FEMA were brought in.
https://vtdigger.org/2021/11/18/holiday-covid-19-transmission-likely-to-determine-vermonts-icu-capacity-this-winter/
The vast majority of the COVID cases in ICUs are among the unvaccinated. According to a state health official, “unvaccinated Vermonters are 15 times more likely to require hospital care. They’re likely to spend a longer time in the hospital and consume more hospital resources.”
https://www.wcax.com/2021/12/07/watch-live-scott-weekly-media-briefing/
https://www.news10.com/news/vt-news/vermont-hospitals-flooded-by-post-thanksgiving-covid-admissions/
“Vermont leads the country in the percentage of people fully vaccinated and boosted. More than 203,000 Vermonters, 18 and older, are fully boosted." That’s 47%, but not enough according to the state epidemiologist.
https://www.wcax.com/2021/12/13/how-state-is-working-boost-vermonts-covid-booster-shot-rate/
Boost up folks.
I found the link to the story:
https://www.wcax.com/2021/12/22/covid-positive-vermonters-with-no-symptoms-clog-up-ers/
It looks like a lot of people are using home antigen tests, testing positive, then going to ER to get PCR test which is eroding the staff’s ability to deal with people who are actually having emergencies.
It makes some sense. From what I’ve seen people have left their jobs for one of three primary reasons:
Mask mandate
Vaccine mandate
Got a better job
Why are they in the ER?I read the article before I posted, but my guess is they are vaxxed and under the impression they therefore won't get the Covid.
Looks like the rising number of hospitalizations in Vermont started before Thanksgiving.
Some good news !
“Whatever damage Omicron might wreak in the immediate future, we will, most likely, soon lead lives that look a lot more like they did in the spring of 2019 than in the spring of 2020.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/12/omicron-end-of-pandemic/621089/
Except for Texas and Arizona doing testing and requiring vaxx for those surging across the border every day.
Also, it looks like Biden wants the states to take the lead in controlling the latest surge.
Except for Texas and Arizona doing testing and requiring vaxx for those surging across the border every day.
Amiright ?
"Molnupiravir inhibits viral reproduction by promoting widespread mutations in the replication of viral RNA by RNA-directed RNA polymerase.[16]"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molnupiravir
"Before it was tested for Covid-19, EIDD-2801 had accrued millions of dollars of federal funding. In 2019, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) gave the Emory Institute for Drug Development a $16 million contract to test the drug for influenza. It had previously garnered funding from several other NIAID grants, as well as funding from the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA), as disclosed by Emory. When attention turned to Covid-19, Emory received pledges of more than $30 million from NIAID and the Department of Defense to cover development of the drug."
https://www.statnews.com/2021/10/05/government-funding-backed-molnupiravir-possible-new-covid-19-treatment/
"Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued an emergency use authorization (EUA) for Merck’s molnupiravir for the treatment of mild-to-moderate coronavirus disease (COVID-19) in adults with positive results of direct SARS-CoV-2 viral testing ..."
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-additional-oral-antiviral-treatment-covid-19-certain
"Panelists also worried about data showing that use of molnupiravir might, in theory, lead to new variants of the SARS-CoV-2 virus through its mechanism, which works by causing viruses to make mistakes in copying their genetic material.
“With all respect, I think it’s incumbent upon you to make some effort to make an estimate of what is the likelihood of escape mutants occurring as a result of your drug,” said James Hildreth, a panelist and the CEO of Meharry Medical College."
https://www.statnews.com/2021/11/30/fda-panel-narrowly-recommends-authorization-of-merck-covid-pill-after-day-of-tense-discussion/
"PARIS/MILAN, Dec 22 (Reuters) - France has cancelled its order for Merck & Co's (MRK.N) COVID-19 antiviral drug following disappointing trial data and hopes instead to receive Pfizer's (PFE.N) competing drug before the end of January, the health minister said on Wednesday."
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/france-cancels-order-mercks-covid-19-antiviral-drug-2021-12-22/
"Last Monday, the CDC said omicron was estimated to makeup more than 73.2% of new cases as of Dec. 18. Now, the CDC says just 22.5% of new U.S. cases were estimated to be omicron as of Dec. 18."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/covid-19-live-updates-cdc-revises-omicron-numbers-lowering-percentage-drastically/ar-AASb0nk?li=BBnb7Kz
😉
I saw completely different numbers on a more reputable news site.
I wonder how staffing at network news outlets compares to their 1981 levels.
Rob, you did not catch The COVID at the Bragging Rights game?
His outer mask did, but that second one stopped that fucking Covid in its tracks.
Rob, you did not catch The COVID at the Bragging Rights game?watching that game, felt like the only people who didn't catch it at the game were the people who already had it
Based on CDC reports of 73% percent of cases due to Omicron, the Feds paused shipments of the 2 MAbs that were shown to have reduced effectiveness vs Omicron. They are effective vs Delta.
The MAb effective against Omicron (sotrovimab) is in short supply, and shipments will be accelerated in January. Minnesota facilities that did have sotromivab were reserving it for highest risk cases.
In the Dec 23 fishwrap .....
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The adjustment of the week ending Dec 18 reported Omicron from 73% to 23% has consequences.
Delta is the more dangerous variant.
The latest reported Omicron is 58%.
His outer mask did, but that second one stopped that fucking Covid in its tracks.
That is why I sport 2 masks myself, especially on the Blue Line. Also helps filter out the cigarette smoke.
watching that game, felt like the only people who didn't catch it at the game were the people who already had it
Those aren’t cigs dude. Every enclosed space in Illinois smells like weed pens.
That would not smell like Marlboro.
I love you manProbably true, though. The thin spandex is comfortable, but the N95 it held in place did the heavy lifting.
Probably true, though. The thin spandex is comfortable, but the N95 it held in place did the heavy lifting.
Right there in Cuonzo's aerosols and everything.
Spandex is known for its amazing anti viral properties
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I bet you're a lot of fun at parties.
Looking forward to seeing this, because Qanon97 says it is coming!They're busting people for going to Burger King there too ?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10352249/Chinese-lockdown-rule-breakers-publicly-shamed-ensure-Covid-rules-obeyed.html
They're busting people for going to Burger King there too ?
"Anti-Vaxxers Invade New York City Burger King, 5 Protestors Arrested"
You sure being anti-vax had any part in the arrests? They were going to Burger King, after all.Let me see your papers, please.
Let me see your papers, please.
No. I'm not showing you my papers.
You're under arrest as an anti-vaxxer.
Do not be an anti-vaxxer.
It’s a little more complicated than that:Lol.
“Five people were arrested after a group of protesters stormed a Burger King in New York on Monday night to protest the city’s COVID-19 vaccine mandates.”
“The mask-less protesters were filmed screaming at employees for refusing to serve them at the fast food restaurant in downtown Brooklyn around 7:30 p.m.”
“Cops said they were called in after the group repeatedly refused to leave.”
“The Big Apple’s vaccine mandate requires people to show proof of vaccination in order to eat indoors.”
“Mitchell Bosch, 41, who was one of the five people taken into custody at Burger King, has already been arrested twice this month during protests at a Cheesecake Factory and Applebee’s."
"Bosch and four others — Michael Mitchell, 36, Augusto Alarcon, 39, Ethan Boisvert, 41, and Bradford Solomon, 44 — were all charged with trespassing and remaining unlawfully inside the Burger King."
"They were issued desk appearance tickets."
https://nypost.com/2021/12/28/5-anti-vax-protesters-arrested-after-storming-nyc-burger-king/
Natural immunity ftw"currently had it" - but I like your style
They're busting people for going to Burger King there too ?they should be shamed for choosing Burger King. Gross
"Anti-Vaxxers Invade New York City Burger King, 5 Protestors Arrested"
"currently had it" - but I like your style
I bet you're a lot of fun at parties.
Haven't had a delicious Whopper in years.
I have a reputation as the life of the party among more than a handful.
Your signature should include this too.'I have a reputation' ?
'I have a reputation' ?
I have a reputation as the life of the party among more than a handful.
Man, everyone I have communicated with today has either tested positive for The COVID or had a family member test positive for The COVID this week. Party tomorrow night and NYE have been blown up and I just know the PassiveSon, who is going to a bar party in Wrigleyville NYE, is going to bring it home with him....
You know there is a difference between people laughing with you and laughing at you, right?
I thought we knew pretty early on cloth masks/bandanas/gaiters were pretty worthless, but better than "nothing"? I recall reading that when I was making masks out of shop towels.And when you were using shop towels to make masks is about the last time it was ok to repeat it, or bring up a study.
And when you were using shop towels to make masks is about the last time it was ok to repeat it, or bring up a study.
They'll help if someone is coughing all over you or they're sick and in your face for 10 minutes or so.
50% effective is vastly better than 0% effective.
Who was the Baywatch actress?
I like saucy.
Yeah, she has that "hot, but crazy" look in her eye.
Crazy eyes yes, but not femme fatale material. Gloria Grahame would eat her lunch.
The best sex is had with crazy chicks. It’s science.
Can see that Mn is just as grouchy in 2022 as he was in 2021!😁
You can trust us to tell you whether or not you have the virus we made. Take it to the bank !!
48 minute wait time and a picture ID is consumer suppression.
🤡🤡
You can trust us to tell you whether or not you have the virus we made. Take it to the bank !!
48 minute wait time and a picture ID is consumer suppression.
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gt!! 🤡🤡
Are people being stripped of their freedumbs again?
Yeah nothing to see here…
https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1477403661701689352?s=21
Oh wow. Judy cites the pizzagate guy as a source. We've reached peak dumb.
Oh wow. Judy cites the pizzagate guy as a source. We've reached peak dumb.
Yes, I generally describe you as batshit insane rather than stupid. Judy's the dumb one.
Toxoplasmosis?
It stings, doesn't it.
Your admirable quality: You want to be better. Q is satisfied with his lack of good information, but deep down, you desire to step up to the echelon of The Informed.
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Good read. Nothing about the mainstream Covid psyops narrative matches what my eyes are actually seeing and my ears are actually hearing ! Wake up sheeple !
https://www.tuckermax.com/doomer-optimism-what-i-see-coming-how-im-preparing/
Good read. Nothing about the mainstream Covid psyops narrative matches what my eyes are actually seeing and my ears are actually hearing ! Wake up sheeple !
https://www.tuckermax.com/doomer-optimism-what-i-see-coming-how-im-preparing/
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Another friend of the family died from Covid. Probably not even 35 years old. Two kids under 5. Nothing to see here. Move along.
We've been told this several times. Then it was the 'we didn't anticipate Delta', and then it was 'we didn't anticipate Omicron.
It will be gone when it's gone, but let's make damn sure we don't find out how it started.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1476538159714516992
He forgot to say “qualified, highly respected.." when speaking of the Chinese commun, scientists.
wow what are the odds, since you're about 100x less likely to die under 40
and having that happen twice... wow sorry to hear that
We've been told this several times. Then it was the 'we didn't anticipate Delta', and then it was 'we didn't anticipate Omicron.
It will be gone when it's gone, but let's make damn sure we don't find out how it started.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1476538159714516992
He forgot to say “qualified, highly respected.." when speaking of the Chinese commun, scientists.
wow what are the odds, since you're about 100x less likely to die under 40
and having that happen twice... wow sorry to hear that
It took 14 years for scientists to find the origin of the 2003 SARS epidemic. We still do not know the origins of the 2014 Ebola outbreak.
You and I will be long gone before anyone sorts out how SARS-CoV-2 started.
The first step in the process will be figuring out how to secure scientific cooperation from China. It won’t be easy.
Taiwan, Trade, Tech and More: A Tense Era in U.S.-China Ties
https://www.nytimes.com/article/us-china-tensions-explained.html
The notion that COVID is an old person's disease seems to be a remnant of the spring/summer 2020 variant and its attendant mythos.
Plenty of young people are experiencing significant illness.
Another friend of the family died from Covid. Probably not even 35 years old. Two kids under 5. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Sully Sullenberger would be trying to figure out how to land the plane in the Hudson and you'd be telling him to stop trying to land the plane, we need to investigate the birds that flew into the engine
The efforts by 'scientists' to bury a lab leak origin theory should raise questions. The answers to those questions will not come from China.I don't get the daily list of right-wing talking points in my inbox, so it's kinda handy that you provide them. I like to know what the wingnuts are obsessing about, just in case I'm too busy to look at Twitter trends for more than five minutes.
The COVID is closing in.
Secretary tested positive yesterday and I was standing next to her on Thursday at the fax machine. (Why she came in when her kids were sick, and later all tested positive, is beyond me.) I'll go get a test tomorrow as it will have been 5 days since contact.
As predicted, the PassiveSon's friends he was with on NYE are one by one testing positive. At least he has taken to wearing a mask around the house when he pops upstairs to go in the kitchen.
In the Quad Cities, we're having a helluva time getting tested. CVS and Walgreens are several days out. There's one rapid test location (on the Iowa side). Kid was swabbed there 5 days ago and cannot get the result. What a joke. For a blue county (Rock Island) that fat fuck in charge sure doesn't do much for us.
The COVID is closing in.
Secretary tested positive yesterday and I was standing next to her on Thursday at the fax machine. (Why she came in when her kids were sick, and later all tested positive, is beyond me.) I'll go get a test tomorrow as it will have been 5 days since contact.
As predicted, the PassiveSon's friends he was with on NYE are one by one testing positive. At least he has taken to wearing a mask around the house when he pops upstairs to go in the kitchen.
In the Quad Cities, we're having a helluva time getting tested. CVS and Walgreens are several days out. There's one rapid test location (on the Iowa side). Kid was swabbed there 5 days ago and cannot get the result. What a joke. For a blue county (Rock Island) that fat fuck in charge sure doesn't do much for us.
Fax machine?
In the Quad Cities, we're having a helluva time getting tested. CVS and Walgreens are several days out. There's one rapid test location (on the Iowa side). Kid was swabbed there 5 days ago and cannot get the result. What a joke. For a blue county (Rock Island) that fat fuck in charge sure doesn't do much for us.The manufacturing facility should be up and running in 3 years. No idea if cost overruns will delay that tho.
If only it was that simple.
Health workers know what good care is. Pandemic burnout is getting in the way
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/10/02/1039312524/health-workers-know-what-good-care-is-pandemic-burnout-is-getting-in-the-way
More Nurses Are Facing Burnout And Leaving Hospitals
https://givingcompass.org/article/more-nurses-are-facing-burnout-and-leaving-hospitals/?gclid=Cj0KCQiA2sqOBhCGARIsAPuPK0jKKmyFg2P2WZAfWiIcxYCIGAROc8a4vP0M-wig16_GP0rE62HEHdoaAl7_EALw_wcB
Joe and Kamala have this under control.
“Now it’s, “there’s nothing we can do in the Federal government, it’s in the State’s hands now.”
I think delegating it to the states is the right call. It’s just kind of funny to watch all the people who furiously asserted it was a federal issue in 2020 scramble to relabel it a local issue in 2021/22.
I am just glad Roberts figured out the ACA is a tax.
oh yeah things have been super since then 🙄
Things were so much better when non-group policies did not cover preexisting conditions, would not cover someone if anyone in the household was pregnant or planning to get pregnant, women still paid more, and lifetime benefits were capped at 1 million.
Joe and Kamala have this under control.I get that trolling is a necessary device in driving clicks, but you don't even have this site monetized?
The COVID is closing in.Are you and the family still alive ?
Secretary tested positive yesterday and I was standing next to her on Thursday at the fax machine. (Why she came in when her kids were sick, and later all tested positive, is beyond me.) I'll go get a test tomorrow as it will have been 5 days since contact.
As predicted, the PassiveSon's friends he was with on NYE are one by one testing positive. At least he has taken to wearing a mask around the house when he pops upstairs to go in the kitchen.
Are you and the family still alive ?
Everybody ok ? Symptomatic, or asymptomatic ?
I think delegating it to the states is the right call. It’s just kind of funny to watch all the people who furiously asserted it was a federal issue in 2020 scramble to relabel it a local issue in 2021/22.
Things were so much better when non-group policies did not cover preexisting conditions, would not cover someone if anyone in the household was pregnant or planning to get pregnant, women still paid more, and lifetime benefits were capped at 1 million.
Monoclonal antibodies have been approved for over a year.
Antiviral pills have been approved. They were apparently available in Texas and New York last week.
Minnesota has had zero promotion of monoclonals, and the Minnesota Dept of Health will give an update on the pills when they get around to having meetings to discuss distribution and equity.
Monoclonals can keep people out of the hospitals. Where have they been, and where are they ?
Where are the pills ? They should have shipped day 1.
Where are tests ?
By the time you stand in line a day for a PCR test and wait 3 days for a result, it's too late for MonoclonalsI'm not quite sure that explains the national shortage of mabs.
That's the killer strategy by DeSantis, tout the monoclonals but then deny availability by screwing up testing
Given where things are in DC and the limits on executive power, not much else he can do right now. Especially if the Supreme Court limits OSHA's ETS powers. He's really stuck if OSHA gets its wings clipped.
Thanks for asking! Rapid test from shady pop up testing place came back negative this AM. Have to wait for the other test. PassiveWoman has been concerned as she has a busy few weeks at work. PassiveSon is caughing all the time in the basement. AggressiveSon seems fine. Dog and bird seem good.It's paywalled, but just sayin.
I agree with this.(https://i.ibb.co/2sw1pmP/20220104-143509.jpg)
Legal experts told us early on that state governments have broad powers to protect public health during a health emergency (e.g., setting quarantines, business restrictions, gathering limitations and personal protection measures), while the power of the federal government is limited by law and legal precedent.
We also found out early that the use of emergency health powers would vary among the states. Some states took aggressive action. Others left key decisions to local governments, and a few restricted the imposition of certain measures at the local level.
I wish the feds had done much more to support the states and local health authorities in controlling the spread of the virus. I think the Trump and Biden administrations both dropped the ball when it came to providing leadership and funding for things like testing, PPE, improved ventilation and contact tracing.
Passive/aggressive status of dog and bird?
By the time you stand in line a day for a PCR test and wait 3 days for a result, it's too late for Monoclonals10 days. But you did get your DeSantis dig in.
That's the killer strategy by DeSantis, tout the monoclonals but then deny availability by screwing up testing
10 days. But you did get your DeSantis dig in.
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Fox News viewer?
Fox News viewer?
Maybe we should stop wasting these "precious few" tests on asymptomatic people? To quote the great Tony Fauci "asymptomatic people are not the major vector for transmitting disease"
There is a freakin' testing place seemingly every block on Harlem Ave.
They’re all over the place. And there’s a line out the door at most of them.
why
Smh. Just don’t pay them.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2022/01/05/chicago-teachers-union-voted-tuesday-shift-online-learning-defiance-mayor/9100081002/
Back to the drawing board, Dr Fauci .....
From 2009.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1478574274998898688
Because people are sick?
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🤡 thought about putting it in the clown thread, but this one seems fitting.
Use the BB code
Back to the drawing board, Dr Fauci .....
From 2009.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1478574274998898688
Is that supposed to be damning, in some way?
Yeah I was wondering how to not post the link, but actual picture. How again?To embed the code, use the "BBcode full linked"
Fauci sounds reasonable to me. Who doesn't get flu shots, and why tf not?He's talking about creating a universal coronavirus vaccine. The concept is noble, but not when it involves manipulating spike proteins to attach them to coronaviruses to enable them to attack human cells, and letting 'colleagues in communist China' do the work in a lab with safety concerns and hoping a vaccine is developed before there's a lab accident.
To embed the code, use the "BBcode full linked"
He's talking about creating a universal coronavirus vaccine.
The flu vaccine does not use mRNA technology.
"mRNA vaccines have been studied before for flu, Zika, rabies, and cytomegalovirus (CMV)."The flu vaccines in use are not mRNA.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html
The flu vaccines in use are not mRNA.
I was merely responding to your post re flu vaccines.
"Who doesn't get flu shots, and why tf not?"
I get one every year.
mRNA flu shots move into trialsThe jury is probably out. 3-4 vaccinations within a year does leave questions.
COVID-19 provided an opportunity to show that mRNA vaccines can work. Now, drug companies are racing to apply the technology platform for influenza.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41573-021-00176-7
The jury is probably out. 3-4 vaccinations within a year does leave questions.
The world would be a little better off if we weren't given this pandemic to test the mRNA platform.
Utah Tech Executive Resigns after Email Rant Claiming Covid Vaccine Part of Sterilization Plot by the Jews
“The founder and chair of Entrata, a Silicon Slopes tech firm, has resigned his position after sending an email to a number of tech CEOs and Utah business and political leaders, claiming the COVID-19 vaccine is part of a plot by "the Jews" to exterminate people.”
“The remarks triggered condemnation throughout Utah's tech community and led to David Bateman's resignation from the company's board of directors after FOX 13 first reported on the email.”
"’I write this email knowing that many of you will think I'm crazy after reading it. I believe there is a sadistic effort underway to euthanize the American people. It's obvious now. It's undeniable, yet no one is doing anything. Everyone is discounting their own judgment, and dismissing their intuition,’ Bateman wrote.”
“In the email, Bateman attacks the efficacy of the COVID-19 vaccine and urged people not to get it. He also claims that criticism of the vaccine is being censored and international charges were going to be filed against Dr. Anthony Fauci.”
"’I believe the Jews are behind this. For 300 years the Jews have been trying to infiltrate the Catholic Church and place a Jew covertly at the top. It happened in 2013 with Pope Francis. I believe the pandemic and systematic extermination of billions of people will lead to an effort to consolidate all the countries in the world under a single flag with totalitarian rule,’ he wrote in the email.”
https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/entrata-chair-emails-tech-ceos-claiming-covid-vaccine-part-of-sterilization-plot-by-the-jews
What do we need vaccines for?
We have lasers!
https://twitter.com/grantstern/status/1478865092099854336
He seems winded. Like when I walk up the Blue Line stairs.Certainly that's all it is because DeSantis is pretty much the champion of honesty and transparency
Mayo Clinic just fired 700 employees for not being vaxxed but according to Alum69 and McLassie the healthcare shortage is because they’re just fatigued from Covid and this is disinformation !Part of your talent as a top-notch troll is misdirection. Misattribution is one of its most compelling subspecies.
"Nearly 99 percent of employees across all Mayo Clinic locations complied with Mayo’s required Covid-19 vaccination program by the Jan. 3 deadline," the clinic said of its staff, which consists of around 73,000 workers"
I'm not quite sure that explains the national shortage of mabs.
Unfortunately, the country is facing a shortage of mAB treatments. Earlier yesterday, the Texas Department of Health and Human Services made a jarring statement: “The federal government controls the distribution of monoclonal antibodies, and the regional infusion centers in Austin, El Paso, Fort Worth, San Antonio and The Woodlands have exhausted their supply of sotrovimab, the monoclonal antibody effective against the COVID-19 Omicron variant, due to the national shortage from the federal government. They will not be able to offer it until federal authorities ship additional courses of sotrovimab to Texas in January.” And Texas isn’t the only region facing this issue. There’s also a shortage in New York, Maine, and many other states, amidst an overall shortage of the product at the federal level.
(https://i.ibb.co/mBcfjrt/C2-BBD82-E-39-B6-4-B62-AD26-36-AD2-FE29248.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MhCFvyp)What do you call someone who still follows someone whose 15 minutes of fame with Ms Vermont was in 2002?
What do you call someone who still follows someone whose 15 minutes of fame with Ms Vermont was in 2002?
Way to deflect. Why not answer the question? You don’t think that’s concerning??
OK, I call someone who still follows Tucker Max an idiot, and yes that concerns me
Way to deflect. Why not answer the question? You don’t think that’s concerning??
So you can see WHY people might be concerned with the vaccine…
What is so hard to understandWell, Judy's very dumb, and 97 is insane. Both conditions impede information processing.
So you can see WHY people might be concerned with the vaccine…55 years to release data concerning a vaccination that is mandated for many does seem a little excessive.
So you can see WHY people might be concerned with the vaccine…
Yet, Golf is here to tell us the jab doesn't work...I'm a little leery of this article.
https://fortune.com/2022/01/05/er-doctor-covid-symptoms-vaccination-status/amp/
Problem is, the Darwin thing won't fix the errors in people who already spawned.
I find it amusing people like you will shortly be losing your imagined power over others
I find it amusing people like you will shortly be losing your imagined power over others
And Massie's statement appears to be correct in that a full release date would be 2076.
The FDA position may very well be that they can provide 12,000 pages by the end of January. But their Dec 6 brief also states ...
"FDA is not able to commit to processing Plaintiff’s request at a faster rate than the 12,000
pages and 10 data files by January 31, 2022, and 500 pages per month thereafter".
So how does the techarp come to the conclusion that the FDA will continue at half the pace of 5000 pages per month ? And the length of time it takes for PHMPT to review is immaterial.
"As it stands, the FDA appears to be doing above and beyond what it pledged to do, delivering almost 5000 pages per month – about 10X its promised rate.
Even if they end up delivering half that performance, they would finish processing 329,000 pages in 137 months – just under 11.5 years.
Obviously, 11.5 years is far less than the 55 years claimed…"
It took me a minute to figure out how to use this.'but Biden and the liberal media promised us the vaccine prevents infection.'
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/see-the-numbers/covid-19-in-virginia/covid-19-cases-by-vaccination-status/
Clearly shows the vaccines substantially reduce the risk of infection. In the case of breakthrough infection, the risks of hospitalization and death are also substantialized reduced.
The right wing, in a whiney voice: 'but Biden and the liberal media promised us the vaccine prevents infection.'
I didn’t realize Alum69 was Indian !
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#MassPsychosisFormation
I wonder where anyone got the idea vaccines prevent infection?That might be a better question for POTUS.
From the cdc:
Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm
I was wondering why anyone would have trouble with adjusting their views as new information becomes available. Then I remembered that we are talking about Republicans.
What Would Nixon Do?
Does it suck when a loved one or someone you know dies because of it, yesWho died?
Off the top of my head, Nixon signed the clean air & water acts, founded the EPA, opposed tax cuts as fiscally irresponsible, imposed wage & price controls, went to China, pursued detente with the Soviets, paved the way for the Helsinki Accords, expanded free trade, enforced desegregation, ended the war in Vietnam, went to an all volunteer military ...
Personally, I used to believe in the war on drugs. Later on, I bought into the Laffer curve and supply side economics. I have adjusted my views since then.
WhatI assume those were not the words that the judge used.
In
The
Actual
Fuck
Who died?
what do you think of the gold standard?
My fully vaccinated 34yr old brother-in-law was in the ICU on a ventilator for two weeks. He recovered but was way worse than I was.I wonder how much the odds have improved for coming off a vent alive. I recall anecdotal data from a year ago saying 1 in 40.
I wonder how much the odds have improved for coming off a vent alive. I recall anecdotal data from a year ago saying 1 in 40.
What kind of drugs did he get?
I wonder how much the odds have improved for coming off a vent alive. I recall anecdotal data from a year ago saying 1 in 40.
What kind of drugs did he get?
Mn's descent into grievance politics demonstrates that he probably never understood actual conservative values.
https://www.aei.org/articles/grievance-politics-is-a-dead-end-road/
Or, “I don’t like facing reality !”
"On Good Morning America, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky admitted that over 75% of “COVID deaths” occurred in people “who had at least four comorbidities. So really, these are people who are unwell to begin with.”
https://www.kusi.com/cdc-director-75-of-covid-deaths-occurred-in-people-with-at-least-four-comorbidities/
In other words, the typical American older than 40?How about 3 or more co-morbidities ? 90%+ ?
Interesting…Your source for news is probably the reason you're continually confused. Apart from the brain problem, of course.
https://twitter.com/claytravis/status/1480703612372332548?s=21
Interesting…
https://twitter.com/claytravis/status/1480703612372332548?s=21
Your source for news is probably the reason you're continually confused. Apart from the brain problem, of course.
(https://i.imgur.com/M27b7cD.png)And here's the movie Q97 shot with that camera
And here's the movie Q97 shot with that camera
https://twitter.com/BrentTerhune/status/1480665989457104899
next verse same as the first
https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservative-activist-kelly-canon-dies-of-covid-complications-after-attending-anti-vaccine-symposium
Interesting…You're not seriously linking a WSJ opinion piece co-authored by a Nobel prize winner are you ?
https://twitter.com/claytravis/status/1480703612372332548?s=21
You're not seriously linking a WSJ opinion piece co-authored by a Nobel prize winner are you ?
🤣🤣
She's ennery the aighth she is.
Interesting…
https://twitter.com/claytravis/status/1480703612372332548?s=21
Nobel laureate who found HIV now backs homoeopathy, anti-vaxxers & calls Covid a lab accident
https://theprint.in/science/nobel-laureate-who-found-hiv-now-backs-homoeopathy-anti-vaxxers-calls-covid-a-lab-accident/665710/
And here's the movie Q97 shot with that camera
https://twitter.com/BrentTerhune/status/1480665989457104899
You're not seriously linking a WSJ opinion piece co-authored by a Nobel prize winner are you ?
🤣🤣
Where’s the fuckinn hospital ship ?
Or do we just trot that out to kick off false flag events in the media and then quietly put it away ?
(what the hell was going on in 1930?)
https://www.the-sun.com/health/4445676/mans-penis-shrinks-covid-permanent/
Watch out Mrs. QAnon97!
well guess I'd just have to read the article at the bottom then lolI don't get that same article at the bottom. Probably because my browser history isn't littered with searches for penis enlargement
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Prohibition?
I just dawned on me that everyone I know (half dozen or so) people that have died from Covid were Republicans or Anti-vaxxers. Coincidence?
I just dawned on me that everyone I know (half dozen or so) people that have died from Covid were Republicans or Anti-vaxxers. Coincidence?
—Another woman who is in her mid 30s and has had asthma her whole life took a couple months before she could run her normal 5 miles at the gym without wheezing. She’s the only person who is reasonably fit that I know that’s had any issues beyond typical cold symptoms.
She drives to gym then runs laps around in the gym?
There is no immunity or cure just like the common cold. Cuz it’s a coronavirus. We knew this was likely a long time ago.
Follow the science. And the money.
Stop spreading misinformation, then telling people to “follow the science.”
https://fee.org/articles/athletes-who-had-covid-will-be-considered-fully-vaccinated-ncaa-says-in-new-guidelines/?fbclid=IwAR3KmNd7By-VrmIQiVv1Y5su21NPRb1Hwf-jqeSETjrFg5l4dedRd9EfAncI saw that in a tweet too, and tried looking for confirmation. Couldn't find anything.
I saw that in a tweet too, and tried looking for confirmation. Couldn't find anything.
I can't verify the source, but it was interesting.I'm thinking somebody spoke too soon, or somebody misunderstood what was being said.
There is no immunity or cure just like the common cold. Cuz it’s a coronavirus. We knew this was likely a long time ago.
Follow the science. And the money.
https://fee.org/articles/athletes-who-had-covid-will-be-considered-fully-vaccinated-ncaa-says-in-new-guidelines/?fbclid=IwAR3KmNd7By-VrmIQiVv1Y5su21NPRb1Hwf-jqeSETjrFg5l4dedRd9EfAnc
Once again you’re ill-informed and shooting from the hip.
There is no immunity or cure just like the common cold. Cuz it’s a coronavirus. We knew this was likely a long time ago.
Follow the science. And the money.
There is no immunity or cure just like the common cold. Cuz it’s a coronavirus. We knew this was likely a long time ago.
Follow the science. And the money.
"Antibody-dependent enhancement [or ADE]Alum posted the same link a few days ago.
This is a phenomenon in which virus-reactive antibodies increase the efficiency of virus infection."
https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/luc-montagniers-views-on-covid-vaccines-are-latest-of-his-wrong-vexing-ideas/
Some people have enormous amounts of money and access to some of the best medical care/advice in the world and have been advised not to get it.
It’s been 2 years. Get vaxxed or don’t, I don’t care. Just let people live their lives. If you do/don’t get the jab, then whatever consequences come with it you are aware of.
Some people have enormous amounts of money and access to some of the best medical care/advice in the world and have been advised not to get it. So are you saying you know better than their medical professionals about their situation? And if so, how? It’s pretty arrogant of you. Not everyone fits in a box.
More than half a million Americans now “fit in a box.” In no small part due to idiotic opinions like yours.
The world doesn't care about how this all started
More than half a million Americans now “fit in a box.” In no small part due to idiotic opinions like yours.
Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
It's like hanging out a sign that says "come exploit me, I'm gullible."
And again, how many of those were because OF COVID or WITH COVID? I would say a huge portion of those were elderly with other factors in play. Again, if you’re over 50 with other health concerns, get it. I’m all for it! Just don’t shove it down my throat.
846k deaths in the U.S. WITH COVID. Not necessarily BECAUSE of COVID.
A U.S. population of 330 million people. You do the math.
Except you are trying to by wanting mandates and such.A Hee-Haw script writer couldn't craft this sentence to read any more like a Hee-Haw character than you've achieved while somehow managing to spell each individual word correctly.
This isn’t high school you morons.
I'm getting my JudyDumb fix, with a strong potential for overdose.
I waste popular, athleticNext thing you know, you'll be tossing their salads.
Next thing you know, you'll be tossing their salads.
And you think I care?
You, Robb, and PenisMan are fucking ignorant and act like you’re cool or something. This isn’t high school you morons. Apparently people on here agree with that as well. You wonder why there’s so many memes about you? Because of your ignorant takes on not only sports but in general.
You’re free to think whatever you want. Carry on…
BTW, I don't want to diminish your accomplishments. I like the Participation Ribbon sensation that accompanies growing up in a community of dozens.
The stubby white kids in 1A football genuinely believe they've accomplished something.
Oh fuck. 3A?
I apologize, and ask to retract all previous remarks if they may have seemed untoward.
With your Lordship's permission, of course.
BTW, I don't want to diminish your accomplishments. I like the Participation Ribbon sensation that accompanies growing up in a community of dozens.
The stubby white kids in 1A football genuinely believe they've accomplished something.
We must be optimistic. The fact is he can read. Let's not force literary interpretation on him.
See, this right here is misleading. No one, not even the CDC is saying there is 100% “immunity.” The vaccine greatly reduces the risk of being exposed to the virus. That’s it. No guarantees.
Except you are trying to by wanting mandates and such. It should be on a case by case basis with a persons medical professional. I didn’t know that was or should be controversial.My medical professional told me "don't hang out with unvaccinated shitheads". Mandates are just the Government allowing me to follow my doctor's advice
And I think you’re an idiot for a lot of reasons. So what?
unless you are implying that people who are vaccinated tend to hang out with others who are vaccinated, I don't follow
exposure is external to one's self. Vaccine reduces risk of infection in the event of exposre, and severity of infection, by extension reducing your potential to expose/infect others
"It is time for us to do what we have been doing, and that time is every day. Every day, it is time for us to agree that there are things and tools that are available to us to slow this thing down."
K. Harris VP
See, this right here is misleading. No one, not even the CDC is saying there is 100% “immunity.” The vaccine greatly reduces the risk of being exposed to the virus. That’s it. No guarantees. And your “follow the money” schtick is very telling where you stand. Stop spreading misinformation. And don’t try to convince me you understand the science. Because you don’t. Your pseudo-science stance is just an attempt to compartmentalize the virus into your narrower than you would like to believe world view.
In a few very short sentences you squeezed in like 4 tropes. Well done.
You clearly don’t understand what immunity means.
And certainly no one credible ever said you couldn’t still catch Covid after being vaccinated.
So what’s the point?
I had COVID and was just fine. So what does it matter to you or anyone else if I’m vaccinated or not? Or Custard for that matter 🤔
The goalposts have moved from stopping the spread and flattening the curve to now, well COVID won’t be so bad with the vax and 30 boosters. But it wasn’t bad at all for me.
Science shows vaccinated people can spread it just like the unvaccinated. Me having the vax doesn’t change anything for anyone else.
No one ever claimed the vaccine was 100% effective.
And certainly no one credible ever said you couldn’t still catch Covid after being vaccinated.
In fairness, you're a terrible judge of credibility.
That's a lie
So what’s the point?
I had COVID and was just fine. So what does it matter to you or anyone else if I’m vaccinated or not? Or Custard for that matter 🤔
The goalposts have moved from stopping the spread and flattening the curve to now, well COVID won’t be so bad with the vax and 30 boosters. But it wasn’t bad at all for me.
Science shows vaccinated people can spread it just like the unvaccinated. Me having the vax doesn’t change anything for anyone else.
Because you are less likely to get it and much less likely to die if you’re vaxxed, you dope.
But shouldn’t that be my choice? I didn’t die and am just fine, so your reasoning for getting vaxxed has nothing to do with “other” people. As I stated earlier, you and others are moving the goalposts now. So I’m not hurting anyone else by not being vaxxed.
And I’ve already posted on here that I followed my doctor’s recommendations based on my personal medical history THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, YET STILL SIT HERE AND TRY TO TELL ME WHAT’S BEST FOR ME!
You do you, Neanderthal.
You clearly don’t understand what immunity means.Could you please explain it for us?
CDC doesn’t know my medical historyCardiac something?
Cardiac something?
Wow, nice EduCatEd response🥴! I didn’t know following my doctor’s medical advice was such a Neanderthal thing to do. For your perspective aren’t medical professionals suppose to be more intelligent than you? That’s what you and others preach. The CDC doesn’t know my medical history and what is best for me. My doctor does though. Why is that controversial?
Yes, the CDC does not know anyone's medical history, which is why vaccine mandates have exceptions for medical issues the vaccine could/would cause.
Seriously, JizzJerkoff has to be one of the dumbest Illini board posters in history. I will concede that he was accurate when he described himself as "waste." Waste of time. Waste of oxygen. Waste of bandwidth.
In the overwhelming amount of cases, the vaccine is perfectly safe for those with underlying conditions. I can only imagine why jizzlejerkoff’s doctor advised him not to get it. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in that room.
Pfizer has been a “habitual offender,” persistently engaging in illegal and corrupt marketing practices, bribing physicians and suppressing adverse trial results. Since 2002 the company and its subsidiaries have been assessed $3 billion in criminal convictions, civil penalties and jury awards.
How you know it’s safe, long term ?
I bet McLassie is loving Bubble’s N95 mask ! I love the fact Brad doesn’t wear one often !
Check this out:
https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1480780228272136192?s=20
How you know it’s safe, long term ?
I bet McLassie is loving Bubble’s N95 mask ! I love the fact Brad doesn’t wear one often !
Check this out:
https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1480780228272136192?s=20
Fuck.Mostly that was an unhinged rant, but I thought this was good advice.
Mostly that was an unhinged rant, but I thought this was good advice.
Yeah, I’ve had COVID already and then received the antibodies. Jesus Tempo, chill. I’m not hurting anybody. You must work for big pharma or something. Then there’s Alum who’s a CDC employee or at least an apologist. No wonder this board is the way it is. Robb mentioned I’m a walking billboard and I’d argue you guys should all look in the mirror. Fuck. There’s absolutely no individual circumstances huh. It’s either you’re vaxxed or some wacko right-wing conspiracy theorist that has Joe Rogan as a doctor that you know more than WHILE ironically arguing that those not vaxxed are NOT smarter than medical professionals. So fucking hypocritical. And then spout off how you’re sooooo accepting of others 😂 and then also arguing you’re not a meathead. Gtfoohwtbs
I’m accepting of immigrants, homosexuals, and the less fortunate. Not anti-government/anti-science rubes.
Oh that brings up a great point! What about those thousands and thousands of unvaccinated illegal immigrants coming into our country along the southern border. 🤔 maybe they have something to do with the spread. Ya think?!
Probably not as much as the racists would like everyone to believe.
So you make an exception for that huh. Interesting take. I bet me being vaxxed or not vaxxed is less of a deal than that. Why aren’t you crying about them?!
So all of the illegals count as a whole, but the millions and millions of people with access to a free shot (and choose not to get it) only count as one (you?). Do you see the flaw in your “logic?”
Your doctor isn’t Joe Rogan by chance is he?
He's got a cardiac condition. He's got antibodies.
There's an increased risk of myocarditis, pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmias for someone in his situation who has had Covid and gets vaccinated.
It's a benefit/risk decision, and having antibodies should be an acceptable factor to consider in a patient/doctor discussion.
Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard!
Seeking asylum at the border is 100% legal.
He's got a cardiac condition. He's got antibodies.
There's an increased risk of myocarditis, pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmias for someone in his situation who has had Covid and gets vaccinated.
It's a benefit/risk decision, and having antibodies should be an acceptable factor to consider in a patient/doctor discussion.
Where is Q97 to say "tough shitskis"?Masks don’t work. The virus is a hoax. Only old people or people with underlying medical conditions are at risk.
So is not getting the vaccination…😘
Oh look it’s the CDC apologist. Lol
Post a link or something from the Chinese Disease Control talking about what we should do. I can’t function without your propaganda.
This makes you look dumber than not taking the vaccine because your doctor apparently advised you not to.
Oh he’s always linking some bullshit to defend them at all costs. It’s ridiculous.
Chill out drama queen. You’ll be doing your heart a big favor.
Seeking asylum at the border is 100% legal.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
You might be over 65, idk. If not, you have a 0.064% chance of dying. I’ll have to check your risk from lightning strikes.
Democrats dumbed down our education system with politically correct self esteem speech codes. Now Republicans are taking advantage of widespread stupidity.
Democrats dumbed down our education system with politically correct self esteem speech codes. Now Republicans are taking advantage of widespread stupidity.
This might be what we should be concerned about…Fat shaming, BMI and alienation: COVID-19 brought new stigma to large-sized people
https://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/features/is-fat-the-new-normal
Society glamorizing being fat as fashionable. So irresponsible. I’m sure obesity was a HUGE (no pun intended… no seriously lol) underlying cause of those deaths from COVID.
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Fat shaming, BMI and alienation: COVID-19 brought new stigma to large-sized people
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-05-08/analyzing-covid-vaccine-inequity-through-obesity-lens
Misconceptions about obesity have led to a spike in weight shaming during COVID-19, experts say
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/misconceptions-about-obesity-have-led-to-a-spike-in-weight-shaming-during-covid-19-experts-say-1.5347085
Fat-shamers have felt enabled by Covid, and it's hard to fight back
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/07/fat-shamers-have-felt-enabled-by-covid-and-its-hard-to-fight-back
So you’re saying Democrats are the root cause of the problem?
The root causes have to do with human nature. gullibility, self indulgence, anger, laziness, arrogance ...
The root causes have to do with human nature. gullibility, self indulgence, anger, laziness, arrogance ...
Here we go…
Approximately 75% of all deaths (roughly 834,954 total) are from the 65 years of age or older group.
So only 213,337 deaths under 65. And in 49% of all the cases, influenza and pneumonia was a contributing factor along with some others. So we basically wiped out the annual flu deaths and other comorbidities for the last 2 years and listed them as COVID. From healthcare professionals, they were told to report a person WITH COVID at the time of death AS COVID. So who really knows a truthful number of how many actually were or other causes. That aside…
If you’re under 65 years of age in the U.S., you have a 0.064% chance of dying. Think about that a second. Stats straight from the CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm
U.S. population- 332,403,650
COVID deaths under 65 yrs old- 213,337
And I’m sure some of those 213,337 reported had other factors in play making that less than 1% even smaller. But no need as it’s already a VERY small chance of dying.
I don’t state those numbers to minimize the actual deaths and families that are grieving. Any death is one too many, but people are relatively safe. This fear mongering by the media, schools, and our President is way exaggerated. They make it sound like a death sentence to people when it’s anything but in reality.
The Dems are too soft. Shoulda tanked the filibuster. Mitch would have without blinking.
Their policies KEEP people in poverty.
Their policies KEEP people in poverty. Their policies ENABLE people to not do better. Their policies ENCOURAGE dependence on the government.
All of this leads to government having power and control over people because at the blink of an eye they’ll threaten to take it away. Republicans want that assistance to go away and people to be responsible for their own lives and bettering themselves. Thus making them the bad guy.
Democrats say here’s $100. Do what I say or you don’t get it anymore. Can’t lift yourself out of poverty that way. Thus the enabling and control. Republicans say you can make much more depending on yourself if you’d stop being lazy and earn it yourself. Where’s the self motivation, self accountability, and pride for one’s self anymore?! Everybody wants a hand out.
Isn’t everything?! Lol you literally could add in things like greed, manipulation, selfishness, and a whole list of things for anything that happens in the world. What’s your point? You specifically gave an example of Democrats causing the problem in you answer a few posts above and now are backtracking.
Spoken like a true Sean Hannity disciple.
I’ve never heard of the poor providing/creating jobs for others. If we don’t incentivize wealthy people and companies to stay in America, they will go elsewhere and we’ll be stuck out in the cold. You’ve seen what socialism causes in other countries and it’s not pretty. I do think there should be a flat tax. It should be the same percentage for everybody regardless of income. That’s fair.
You don’t think Democrat’s policies enable people?! They get incentives to have more children. They reward and encourage fatherless households by providing more benefits to them. There’s plenty of able-bodied people out there choosing to not work and are rewarded for it. Why would a state like Illinois and many other blue states waive the work requirement to receive SNAP and other programs?! If you’re able to work why shouldn’t you in order to receive those benefits? Waiving them encourages them not to. All while they pull up to the building in their $70,000 car to receive government assistance. Lol, yeah ok.
I’ve never heard of the poor providing/creating jobs for others. If we don’t incentivize wealthy people and companies to stay in America, they will go elsewhere and we’ll be stuck out in the cold. You’ve seen what socialism causes in other countries and it’s not pretty.
You don’t think Democrat’s policies enable people?! They get incentives to have more children. They reward and encourage fatherless households by providing more benefits to them. There’s plenty of able-bodied people out there choosing to not work and are rewarded for it. Why would a state like Illinois and many other blue states waive the work requirement to receive SNAP and other programs?! If you’re able to work why shouldn’t you in order to receive those benefits? Waiving them encourages them not to. All while they pull up to the building in their $70,000 car to receive government assistance. Lol, yeah ok.
I’ve never heard of the poor providing/creating jobs for others. If we don’t incentivize wealthy people and companies to stay in America, they will go elsewhere and we’ll be stuck out in the cold.
JFC there are still people spouting thus idiocy?
I’m going to let you in on a little secret: older people make up most COVID-19 deaths...because the median death of “almost everything” is older!
When you get old, “something kills you.” “But COVID is an extra something. An extra wolf in the pack.”
These older people are our family members, relatives and friends. Tens of thousands were lost unnecessarily because of our half-assed response to the pandemic. Many spent their last days or weeks isolated in ICUs to keep the virus from spreading.
Some may have lived another 2, 5 or perhaps 10 years.
We need to protect them as much as we need to protect every American.
Coronavirus reveals just how little compassion we have for older people
https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2020/3/27/21195762/coronavirus-older-people-quarantine-loneliness-health
What it’s like to die from Covid-19
https://www.vox.com/2021/2/20/22280817/covid-19-deaths-us-nursing-home-icu-ventilator
JFC there are still people spouting thus idiocy?
I kinda wonder how many redneck republican voters from states like Alabama and Mississippi are on welfare or some other kind of government assistance.
Guessing it's a lot.
we don't want people to die,Somebody must have hacked into your account.
You can order tests today. Ship the end of the month.
It takes you to USPS site, and input your data.
Covidtests.gov.
And in no way am I advocating for not helping the poor. I do feel like it’s our responsibility to help others, but our responsibility can’t be more than theirs. Not only that, we can’t enable them and/or make it to where it’s a livelihood. It SHOULD be a means to a better end. Instead it’s generation after generation of getting better at scamming the system. People have become content and there needs to be consequences to people’s actions.
Not it.
Why would you do that and allow the government to know where you live?I did receive my Social Security benefit statement from the government in the mail today.
The soft Covid-based eugenics talk has certainly been interesting. Not just here, but everywhere. I suppose it’s fitting that the group that decries the evils of guns and military would openly root for something “natural” to decimate their ideological foes. But it looks like they’re gonna need to look for a better variant to do their bidding.
I did receive my Social Security benefit statement from the government in the mail today.
...would openly root for something “natural” to decimate their ideological foes....
That money ain't there, fool. The Family Feud pays me in bullets and cattle. Once AOC takes over, you better have your own meat and lead. I already got guns from when I done did The Steve Harvey Show.
Tempo won’t bother to watch this I guarantee it !
https://youtu.be/nk9jvETVwNw
It follows that “public health” doesn’t exist either, which actually makes a lot of sense. “Societies” don’t get sick. Only individuals get sick. Health is something that concerns people, not populations.
So, contrary to the collectivist paradigm, we are not a herd to be coddled and immunized and protected in the name of some “greater good.” We are individuals with rights. Now, that may sound selfish, but it’s really not. What’s actually selfish is demanding that other people bend over backwards to accommodate your personal risk tolerance.
Cognitive dissonance ?
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This is my second JudgeSteveHarvey post I’ve seen, and I’m pretty convinced this character will be unnoteworthy.
https://fee.org/articles/jordan-peterson-calls-out-justin-trudeau-as-canada-considers-mandatory-vaccination/
You want unnoteworthy characters? Watch old episodes of The Family Feud when the guys from Seinfeld and Home Improvement were hosting.
That money ain't there, fool. The Family Feud pays me in bullets and cattle. Once AOC takes over, you better have your own meat and lead. I already got guns from when I done did The Steve Harvey Show.
How you gonna buy land and feed?
That's an interesting point of view in the context of moral philosophy.
Briefly, there is a similar debate in Buddhist circles concerning karma or moral causality. Keeping it simple, according to the older Theravada teaching, only individual thought, words, and deeds have karmic consequences. The more traditional schools still tend to stress individual merit acquisition and nirvana / liberation.
Mahayana Buddhism introduces the concept of collective karma. It is taught that families, clans, communities, nations, the world, etc. can create karma. There is generally more emphasis on social responsibility or meeting the needs of the many.
That was just an aside.
On topic, healthcare / healthcare financing is definitely one of those sectors that should be centrally planned and partially nationalized so that it meets the needs of everyone.
Even Hayek agreed that Government should step in when the private sector fails.
"There is no reason why, in a society which has reached the general level of wealth ours has, (the certainty of a given minimum of sustenance) should not be guaranteed to all without endangering general freedom; that is: some minimum of food, shelter and clothing, sufficient to preserve health. Nor is there any reason why the state should not help to organize a comprehensive system of social insurance in providing for those common hazards of life against which few can make adequate provision." -- F. A. Hayek.
It surprises me not at all that Gelato thinks Jordan Peterson is a brilliant thinker.
It doesn’t surprise me at all that you dismiss any kind of information that doesn’t come from your preapproved sources That’s simply parrots the information you want to hear. That’s the whole problem with this country no one is willing to hear anybody else’s position without dismissing it entirely !
WTF you talking about? You even edited this. Why? Too make it more gobbly gooky?
First, too / to
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/to-too/?gclid=CjwKCAiA0KmPBhBqEiwAJqKK496xUf6jYh1RcCBLgqzAnTKPKW2leSzID14aMBQkO0dV0COhXQXMYhoCoGMQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
The edits were to correct minor typos.
Your link touched on an issue in moral philosophy -- individual rights or needs / self interest versus social responsibility.
Do you read and understand what you link?
“Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.” -- Spock
“Or the one.” -- Kirk
First, too / to
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The edits were to correct minor typos.
Your link touched on an issue in moral philosophy -- individual rights or needs / self interest versus social responsibility.
Do you read and understand what you link?
“Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.” -- Spock
“Or the one.” -- Kirk
2 years of this shit.
Are they still looking for the pangolin ?
Think they are focusing on vaccinations and testing right now.And monkey business ?
Bill Maher is on fire !
https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1490170079107219457?s=20&t=HNiklWhptxDxbu2mqYb5yw
Wow he brings the receipts !
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2022/01/joe-rogan-podcast-covid-misinformation-cdc-media
They like to talk about about the survival rate of covid. Well, if we only look at murders; the survival rate for riding the subway in NYC is roughly 99.99999999985%.
If we include accidents; it is still about 99.9999999985%. Yet, the right wing media would have us believe crime on the subways is rampant; while covid is a minor inconvenience.
There is so much wrong with this clip.
First off, the study he cites wasn’t conducted by epidemiologists, wasn’t peer-reviewed, and isn’t supported by JHU as he insinuates.
Secondly, kids may not be dying at a lower rate, but kids can still catch and spread Covid.
Thirdly, children are very adaptable and resilient. There’s no real credence that they are being harmed or stunted by masks. My kid’s first two years of school were spent wearing masks, and he probably won’t even remember wearing them when he’s 20.
Maher has become a bad joke.
Oh, and I almost forgot the lie that the lockdowns didn’t save lives or do any good. Sure, we didn’t flatten the curve liked we’d hoped, but probably 1-2 million lives were saved over letting it run rampant. And hospitals were at least able to remain functional. Imagine if there had been 3x the cases.
Just so much garbage coming out of his mouth.
Interesting that you cite an actual liberal media source. The Jacobin views Bernie Sanders as too far to the right.
The writer starts off with a Tucker Carlson defense of Rogan. Then he practically parrots Fox News talking points. He exaggerages or accepts without challenge alleged inconsistencies in the official covid story; which he attributes to politics.
"Jacobin is a democratic socialist quarterly magazine based in New York offering American leftist perspectives on politics, economics, and culture."
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/jacobin/
"Branko Marcetic is a Jacobin staff writer and the author of Yesterday's Man: The Case Against Joe Biden"
https://jacobinmag.com/author/branko-marcetic
They like to talk about about the survival rate of covid. Well, if we only look at murders; the survival rate for riding the subway in NYC is roughly 99.99999999985%.
If we include accidents; it is still about 99.9999999985%. Yet, the right wing media would have us believe crime on the subways is rampant; while covid is a minor inconvenience.
Yep. Bill Maher has a long history of peddling denialism and pseudoscience across a broad range of scientific topics, including vaccines, AIDS and GMOs.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/five-years-on-bill-maher-is-still-an-antivaccine-crank-and-proves-it-yet-again/
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/when-antivaccine-pseudoscience-isnt-enough-bill-maher-embraces-goat-milk-hiv-quackery/
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/but-not-simpler/argumentum-ad-monsantum-bill-maher-and-the-lure-of-a-liberal-logical-fallacy/
You always make straw men by portraying the right as some sort of monolith.
Cognitive dissonance ?!? Maybe when the far right and far left are coming to same conclusions it’s time to wake up and see you’ve been fed a bunch of BS and you swallowed it hook line and sinker !
Oh look how quickly they turn on their own as soon as someone speaks out against the establishment !
You always make straw men by portraying the right as some sort of monolith. Per NBC, felony assaults in NYC rose by 21% last year. People are dying from Covid. They’re both problems and deserve to be talked about !
In my view, the right wing has been taken over nationalists / neomercantalists, some blantant, some posing as libertarians. They have displaced the traditional conservative globalists and socalled neoconservatives.
The idiots at Fox are crying that the liberals are trying to federalize elections. Apparently, they forgot about the 14th, 15th, 17th, 19th, 23rd, 24th, and 26th amendments?
I'm more of an Occam's razor guy. The Trumps and DeSantises aren't nationals, neomercantalists, etc... they are just grifters who found an easy target.
First post in here in many days
Guess the Ukrainian narrative is working !
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10542309/Fresh-lab-leak-fears-study-finds-genetic-code-Covids-spike-protein-linked-Moderna-patent.html
Do you and QAnon97 actually read the stuff you link or just look at the headline?This line ? 🤔
This line ? 🤔
'So it's an interesting coincidence but this is surely entirely coincidental.'
Professor Lawrence Young, a virologist at Warwick University, admitted the latest finding was interesting but claimed it was not significant enough to suggest lab manipulation.
He told MailOnline: 'We're talking about a very, very, very small piece made up of 19 nucleotides.
'So it doesn't mean very much to be frank, if you do these types of searches you can always find matches.
'Sometimes these things happen fortuitously, sometimes it's the result of convergent evolution (when organisms evolve independently to have similar traits to adapt to their environment).
'It's a quirky observation but I wouldn't call it a smoking gun because it's too small.
He added: 'It doesn't get us any further with the debate about whether Covid was engineered.'
I was thinking more along the lines of how the article is replete with observations such as this:We may, or may not, see if this has any tracks.
Nonetheless, I remain open to the notion that it was engineered by the commies using our $.
We may, or may not, see if this has any tracks.
Dr. Andrew Huff was a Senior Research Scientist at EcoHealth with Daszak. He has his thoughts on Daszak.
The link he refers to is the article that the Daily Mail piece discusses.
The patent referred to was applied for by Stephane Bancel, among others. Bancel is the CEO of Moderna.
"A BLAST search for the 12-nucleotide insertion led us to a 100% reverse match in a proprietary sequence (SEQ ID11652, nt 2751-2733) found in the US patent 9,587,003 filed on Feb. 4, 2016 (10) (Figure 1).
10. Bancel S, Chakraborty T, De Fougerolles A, Elbashir SM, John M, Roy A, et al. Modified Polynucleotides for the Production of Oncology-Related Proteins and Peptides. Cambridge, MA: United States Patent. (2016).
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fviro.2022.834808/full
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And what was his reaction to the observations in the article saying this MAY mean nothing? Or did he not read the article either? !!!!!!Did you check to see how many the Twitter followers the people expressing their opinions may have ?
Did you check to see how many the Twitter followers the people expressing their opinions may have ?
Alright, that got a hearty guffaw out of me.The Daily Mail writer has 352. Is that a lot for the Twitter ? 🤣🤣
FBI Raids Another Chicago COVID Testing Company — Which Has Gotten $77 Million From The Feds
The FBI’s search comes as other Chicago-area testing companies face various investigations: The Center for COVID Control’s Rolling Meadows headquarters were raided by the FBI, and the company and its lab have been sued by two states’ attorney generals after Block Club reports about numerous issues with the companies. O’Hare Clinical Lab and Northshore Clinical Lab have been cited at the highest level by federal authorities.
Together, these four Chicago-area testing companies have processed millions of tests for hundreds of sites across the United States. They have received more than $582 million from the federal government.
For MN:🤣🤣 TY, I saw that the other day.
https://theintercept.com/2022/02/20/nih-coronavirus-research-wuhan-redacted/
🤣🤣 TY, I saw that the other day.
They're trying to protect the identity of the pangolin, in case someone finds it.
The NIH continues to withhold critical documents that could shed light on the origin of the coronavirus pandemic.
I always love headlines like this:The authors include ........
"Could" is such a great word in headlines. Why not also include "or could not" as well?
That being said, I heard on the NewsRadio yesterday that there apparently are 2 yet unpublished studies out there pointing to the Wuhan market as the origin. Could be convincing...or not.
I always love headlines like this:
"Could" is such a great word in headlines. Why not also include "or could not" as well?
That being said, I heard on the NewsRadio yesterday that there apparently are 2 yet unpublished studies out there pointing to the Wuhan market as the origin. Could be convincing...or not.
We are fortunate to live in a time where we aren’t completely subject to only receiving news and information from a handful of carefully curated sources that are bought and paid for by big money/government interests.TY.
I believe MN and Alum are roughly the same generation, but obviously have completely different perspectives.
Alum seems to be totally content with the media he trusted during his formative years. The refusal to question anything about anything and then backing it up with multiple links from those outlets kind of supports that. I’m just surprised there’s nothing about this that hasn’t triggered any of Alum’s spidey senses, whatsoever.
But I think for most people it’s easier to just fervently latch onto something because it feels good and it prevents the anxiety of having to consider the alternatives at any great length. I believe Sartre may have had some decent insight on this line of thinking.
MN did what he was told but also isn’t afraid to ask some questions or do a little digging. I did what I was told and a lot of things didn’t add up for me, either. So I started questioning the narrative. I understand I have different viewpoint than some others here because I’m not really an at-risk person, nor are my children. And I’ve always been an advocate of those who are at risk and those who are close to them doing everything they can to exercise caution. Seems reasonable to me given the science and data we’ve been shown, but that isn’t what others deem reasonable. That’s okay.
But this argument of “oh you’re an epidemiologist now?” Or “armchair virologist” stuff is just deflection. We have enormous information from all kinds of legitimate resources at our fingertips these days.
The micro aspect of virology and epidemiology are pretty intense. But it doesn’t take a PhD to grasp the basic concepts. Pandemics are nothing new and a novel coronavirus doesn’t just rewrite the collective pandemic rulebook. Oftentimes the basic concepts seemed at odds with the practices being preached.
There were legitimate professionals questioning the narrative throughout and the fervor with which they were shouted down/cancelled/blackballed only served to create more questions and suspicion. While legitimate people were calling things into question and being shouted down, we had government leaders and influencers (also not virologists or epidemiologists) openly flaunting their own mandates.
Now there seems to be ever increasing streams of damaging information coming about from a wide array of sources that the media is trying desperately to suppress. And Pfizer still owns the prestige of garnering the largest criminal fine ever levied. But we should trust them, they just want us to be healthy.
And then Ukraine conveniently happens.
Nothing to see here.
That being said, I heard on the NewsRadio yesterday that there apparently are 2 yet unpublished studies out there pointing to the Wuhan market as the origin. Could be convincing...or not.Call the scientific misconduct police ....
It's not shocking that covid first started spreading in or around Wuhan. The lab is located there because that's where the bats are.
Wait, Ukraine is tied to the Omicron variant slowing down (for lack of a phrase)?
Yeah they needed the case numbers to drop so they could more safely go to war.
How you gonna get troops to willingly sit in tanks and armored troop carriers for days on end with Omicron being so prevalent?
TY.
And I am old enough to remember when the concept of 'natural immunity' was scoffed at.
I think that was before the 2022 elections became a consideration.
Yeah they needed the case numbers to drop so they could more safely go to war.
How you gonna get troops to willingly sit in tanks and armored troop carriers for days on end with Omicron being so prevalent?
TY.
And I am old enough to remember when the concept of 'natural immunity' was scoffed at.
I think that was before the 2022 elections became a consideration.
We are fortunate to live in a time where we aren’t completely subject to only receiving news and information from a handful of carefully curated sources that are bought and paid for by big money/government interests.
I believe MN and Alum are roughly the same generation, but obviously have completely different perspectives.
Alum seems to be totally content with the media he trusted during his formative years. The refusal to question anything about anything and then backing it up with multiple links from those outlets kind of supports that. I’m just surprised there’s nothing about this that hasn’t triggered any of Alum’s spidey senses, whatsoever.
But I think for most people it’s easier to just fervently latch onto something because it feels good and it prevents the anxiety of having to consider the alternatives at any great length. I believe Sartre may have had some decent insight on this line of thinking.
MN did what he was told but also isn’t afraid to ask some questions or do a little digging. I did what I was told and a lot of things didn’t add up for me, either. So I started questioning the narrative. I understand I have different viewpoint than some others here because I’m not really an at-risk person, nor are my children. And I’ve always been an advocate of those who are at risk and those who are close to them doing everything they can to exercise caution. Seems reasonable to me given the science and data we’ve been shown, but that isn’t what others deem reasonable. That’s okay.
But this argument of “oh you’re an epidemiologist now?” Or “armchair virologist” stuff is just deflection. We have enormous information from all kinds of legitimate resources at our fingertips these days.
The micro aspect of virology and epidemiology are pretty intense. But it doesn’t take a PhD to grasp the basic concepts. Pandemics are nothing new and a novel coronavirus doesn’t just rewrite the collective pandemic rulebook. Oftentimes the basic concepts seemed at odds with the practices being preached.
There were legitimate professionals questioning the narrative throughout and the fervor with which they were shouted down/cancelled/blackballed only served to create more questions and suspicion. While legitimate people were calling things into question and being shouted down, we had government leaders and influencers (also not virologists or epidemiologists) openly flaunting their own mandates.
Now there seems to be ever increasing streams of damaging information coming about from a wide array of sources that the media is trying desperately to suppress. And Pfizer still owns the prestige of garnering the largest criminal fine ever levied. But we should trust them, they just want us to be healthy.
And then Ukraine conveniently happens.
Nothing to see here.
Apparently the QAnon crew thinks Putin is doing god's work by invading Ukraine and destroying Biden's American COVID factories.
The only "American COVID factories" are the bodies of the unvaccinated.
== Now there seems to be ever increasing streams of damaging information coming about from a wide array of sources that the media is trying desperately to suppress. ==
== There were legitimate professionals questioning the narrative throughout and the fervor with which they were shouted down/cancelled/blackballed only served to create more questions and suspicion. ==
== And then Ukraine conveniently happens. ==
That’s some serious conspiracy theory nonsense. The New Yorker, Vanity Fair, NYT, WSJ and several other publications wrote early on about the possibility that COVID-19 leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Even Sleepy Joe ordered his intelligence agency to "redouble" efforts to investigate the origins of the virus, including the theory that it came from a laboratory.
I hate to break it to you, but scientists often disagree with each other - that is part of the scientific process. Publishing evidence-based opinions in scientific journals is the platform for that evidence-based disagreement. The problem is that the origins debate has spilled over to social media and political world where armchair virologists acquire most of their information to support their confirmation bias.
So by all means MN and you should keep “asking questions.” Just be aware that only scientific research will shed light on how the virus arrived in Wuhan.
And that will require co-operation from the Chinese authorities. They need to be far more forthcoming about what they know about the early epidemic in Wuhan at the tail end of 2019.
You have no "natural immunity" inherently. You develop immunity, in one of two manners
1) getting infected
2) getting vaccinated
Those both trigger an immune system response. Either way, it's a natural process.
The first might also trigger illness and death, however.
well the mrna vaccines sure did a shit job of providing "immunity"
Hey Murph, where you been?Maui
MauiWith a side order of St Mary's over Gonzaga
== Now there seems to be ever increasing streams of damaging information coming about from a wide array of sources that the media is trying desperately to suppress. ==I have a feeling that Peter Daszak being far more forthcoming would be a good start to answering some questions about the origin.
== There were legitimate professionals questioning the narrative throughout and the fervor with which they were shouted down/cancelled/blackballed only served to create more questions and suspicion. ==
== And then Ukraine conveniently happens. ==
That’s some serious conspiracy theory nonsense. The New Yorker, Vanity Fair, NYT, WSJ and several other publications wrote early on about the possibility that COVID-19 leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Even Sleepy Joe ordered his intelligence agency to "redouble" efforts to investigate the origins of the virus, including the theory that it came from a laboratory.
I hate to break it to you, but scientists often disagree with each other - that is part of the scientific process. Publishing evidence-based opinions in scientific journals is the platform for that evidence-based disagreement. The problem is that the origins debate has spilled over to social media and political world where armchair virologists acquire most of their information to support their confirmation bias.
So by all means MN and you should keep “asking questions.” Just be aware that only scientific research will shed light on how the virus arrived in Wuhan.
And that will require co-operation from the Chinese authorities. They need to be far more forthcoming about what they know about the early epidemic in Wuhan at the tail end of 2019.
How many people died in those 20 years ? Was it 4 digits ? 5 digits ?
We have had multiple SARS events come out of China due to their 3rd World Health standards (given their fucked up wet markets, where they have fucking bats and shit) in just the last, what, 20 years?
Actually the bats live about a thousand miles away from Wuhan
By the way, I was on Kauai. 8)
Doesn't the "natural immunity" for The COVID work for 90 days?"SARS-CoV-2 infection is highly protective against reinfection with Delta. Immunity from prior infection lasts at least 13 months. Countries facing vaccine shortages should consider delaying vaccinations for previously infected patients to increase access."
I have a feeling that Peter Daszak being far more forthcoming would be a good start to answering some questions about the origin.
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the windFrom the Wiki ....
The answer is blowin' in the wind
If the Chinese "did this" - the biggest thing they proved is that the US doesn't have the stuff to deal with a natural pandemic either
That explains a lot
The Michael Worobey and Proximal Origin authors study ......
That being said, I heard on the NewsRadio yesterday that there apparently are 2 yet unpublished studies out there pointing to the Wuhan market as the origin. Could be convincing...or not.
The Michael Worobey and Proximal Origin authors study ......
"The Huanan market was the epicenter of SARS-CoV-2 emergence"
"Funding
This project has been funded in whole or in part with Federal funds from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious
Diseases, National Institutes of Health, Department of Health and Human Services, under Contract No. 75N93021C00015
(MW)."
Can you guys do a study for us ?
We'll pay you.
Thanks,
Your good buddies in the government.
Some of the authors also receive support from the Wellcome Trust. Jeremy Farrar is the Director of the Wellcome Trust. You might remember his name.
Also, the other study includes some of the same authors, including some of the Proximal Origin authors.
;D
So you are saying that "If Dickie Dunn wrote it, it must be true!"?It was a NYT article.
It was a NYT article.
So, probably. Lol.
Mn, thoughts on the interview in this article?I already read that one. I got a chuckle out of the closing ......
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/03/03/1083751272/striking-new-evidence-points-to-seafood-market-in-wuhan-as-pandemic-origin-point
No mentions of pangolins.
I already read that one. I got a chuckle out of the closing ......
"....bring a tear to your eye."
😢😢
You may have to change your pangolin line to red fox or raccoon dog. At least they located photos of those animals at the market.😭😭😭
Obama must have been hanging out with some unsophisticateds.
He caught the Covid.
The raccoon dog, wherever he/she is, barks out 'I'm innocent til proven guilty'.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0300891620974755
"This study shows an unexpected very early circulation of SARS-CoV-2 among asymptomatic individuals in Italy several months before the first patient was identified"
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-020-00716-2
"This report suggests that SARS-CoV-2 infection may have occurred as early as November 2019 in France."
If that's the case, does it impact the lab leak theory?Depends on how you want to look at it, but it may have opened a fine can of worms.
Depends on how you want to look at it, but it may have opened a fine can of worms.
Were those little viruses out running around in Wuhan before the raccoon dog showed up at the wet market from 900 miles away ?
Were they working on those little viruses in the lab and some got loose before mutating into something more pathogenic ?
The one paper mentioned tourists from China, but does not say where in China.That's fine, but that's a theory on how the Covid got to Europe.
That's fine, but that's a theory on how the Covid got to Europe.
If someone who worked in the lab scheduled a vacation in Europe for some fine French cuisine, he/she/they would be considered a tourist.
Well the IQ test results are starting to come in:
https://www.stltoday.com/opinion/editorial/editorial-data-shows-the-death-toll-from-conservative-politicization-of-the-pandemic/article_a28298e8-a832-5661-8b86-023a302f1fec.html
Just another biolab ....
cc: Hunter Biden
(Circumventing Big Brother)
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/biggest-fraud-generation-looting-covid-relief-program-known-ppp-n1279664"Lots of Teslas."
oops
Mn!Good catch. I saw this last night also, but didn't read it until this morning.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/03/the-virus-hunting-nonprofit-at-the-center-of-the-lab-leak-controversy
Good catch. I saw this last night also, but didn't read it until this morning.
Some new stuff to me. But a lot of known info also.
Vanity Fair gets the green light to write about it, just like CNN, WaPo and the NYT got the green light on the laptop.
I didn't look at any of the links or attachments tho.
I wish these articles would be written with more of a chronological order.
Over 6 million deaths, and they may have missed by a little on the cost of a pandemic tho. >:(
"But the cost of not knowing and suffering a pandemic was estimated at $17 trillion over 30 years."
Covid-19’s $24 Trillion Cost (So Far) Means Economics Will Never Be The Same
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williampesek/2021/02/26/covid-19s-24-trillion-cost-so-far-means-economics-will-never-be-the-same/?sh=2b79df4b4844
I got an email article this AM about how the handling of disagreements in the scientific community has been a thing. Talked about a group that formed in Britain to take on the British "CDC" re COVID and was transparent etc. when offering advice to the public that was contrary etc. to what officials were providing.How many times were the 2 Brits, Daszak and Farrar, mentioned in the Vanity Fair article ?
Written by this dude:
Zeynep Pamuk is assistant professor in the Department of Political Science,
University of California, San Diego and author of the book Politics and Expertise: How to Use Science in a Democratic Society.
I got an email article this AM about how the handling of disagreements in the scientific community has been a thing.
Just realizing this? Holy shit the way dissenting scientists and studies were quashed and blackballed throughout the pandemic was terrifying and is one of the main reasons everyone got so paranoid of the info being passed along by legacy media. And, in retrospect, often rightfully so.
...Some new stuff to me. But a lot of known info also.
Vanity Fair gets the green light to write about it, just like CNN, WaPo and the NYT got the green light on the laptop.
I didn't look at any of the links or attachments tho.
I wish these articles would be written with more of a chronological order.
Just realizing this? Holy shit the way dissenting scientists and studies were quashed and blackballed throughout the pandemic was terrifying and is one of the main reasons everyone got so paranoid of the info being passed along by legacy media. And, in retrospect, often rightfully so.
Being a scientist today is not fun:
Death Threats, Trolling Common for Scientists Who Speak to Media About COVID
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-10-14/death-threats-trolling-common-for-scientists-who-speak-to-media-about-covid
‘I hope you die’: how the COVID pandemic unleashed attacks on scientists
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02741-x
Just realizing this? Holy shit the way dissenting scientists and studies were quashed and blackballed throughout the pandemic was terrifying and is one of the main reasons everyone got so paranoid of the info being passed along by legacy media. And, in retrospect, often rightfully so.
The article noted that there was disingenuousness in studies released countering the narrative as well. Ergo, the focus on the British group as an example of how to do it properly.Link ? .
Link ? .
Are differences of opinion discussed, or is it 'anything but a zoonotic origin is a conspiracy theory' ?
Nothing to see here right Alum69 and Nichi ?Actually, PAMan brought up that column on March 31.
Thoughts MN ?
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/03/the-virus-hunting-nonprofit-at-the-center-of-the-lab-leak-controversy
Actually, PAMan brought up that column on March 31.
For some reason, the origin of the virus is a non-issue.
Actually, PAMan brought up that column on March 31.
For some reason, the origin of the virus is a non-issue.
I guess Gelato has me on block.I think I linked your post the next morning tho.
Scientists struggle to probe COVID’s origins amid sparse data from ChinaAmy Maxmen, who said she's never met Peter Daszak, sat next to Peter Daszak when "Peter Daszak in 2016 gives the rationale for work by his colleagues in China on manipulating the coronavirus spike protein to see if they can infect human cells."
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00732-0
We may never get a satisfactory answer, but we can still work to prevent future pandemics. Here’s a few options for improving safety in laboratories AND preventing natural spillovers:
https://www.vox.com/22527717/covid-19-lab-leak-debate-natural-spillover-pandemic-prevention
I came on here expecting the resident CDC worshipers to be up in arms over the removal of mandates !
The right of the people to spread disease shall not be infringed.
Not flying anytime soon.
its been 3 years now if you're still worried about covid you're a dumbass
its been 3 years now if you're still worried about covid you're a dumbass
Scared? No. Never was. Cautious? Of course. I am voluntarily up to date on shots and have never had a problem with mask mandates.
Being scared of mask mandates and vaccines is silly.
And a lot of us have concerns for others, not just ourselves.
It goes without saying that actions rooted in compassion are morally superior to actions rooted in selfish interest. That does not always work out well in practice. Republicans pay lip service to Jesus, but practice objectivism.
Mask mandates for public transportation is such a strange fight for the right wing. They are literally defending the right of infected people to spread the virus.
You forget the part where they hate "public transportation" (as they do the post office) and would rather have it all privatized so grifters can grift.
I love how people paint very diverse schools of thought with a very wide brush to ensure their arguments have some landing spot.
Here’s a kind of banal idea that I’ve been thinking about: the rich donors and well-endowed foundations who fund policy analysis and advocacy organizations in D.C. ought to put more emphasis on things like “try to come up with the correct answer” and “explain the truth in a clear way” and less emphasis on being a good team player.
Masks make sense for mass transit in general. Private or public. Mainly to reduce the risk of infected passengers spreading the virus.
Not sure there are very diverse schools of thought these days that are meaningful in the public discourse. It is the Trumpists versus the Squad. Which reminds me of this that I read the other day:
https://www.slowboring.com/p/rigorous-accurate-policy-analysis?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoyNzczMzg3LCJwb3N0X2lkIjo1MjI3NTQ5NiwiXyI6IjJBbVN4IiwiaWF0IjoxNjUwNDg5MTYzLCJleHAiOjE2NTA0OTI3NjMsImlzcyI6InB1Yi0xNTkxODUiLCJzdWIiOiJwb3N0LXJlYWN0aW9uIn0.ISAGaW9Al4FYiOze7HzEpr51NZKGIsFbGd6pgLyULz8&s=r
Lead paragraph:
It goes without saying that actions rooted in compassion are morally superior to actions rooted in selfish interest. That does not always work out well in practice. Republicans pay lip service to Jesus, but practice objectivism.Not only that, public transportation is for them blacks
Mask mandates for public transportation is such a strange fight for the right wing. They are literally defending the right of infected people to spread the virus.
I understand it. But when your goal is to destroy government services, for example, you want people who can avoid taking public transportation when push comes to shove to be scared of taking public transportation. Now, granted, Lori Lightfoot is currently doing a better job than the GOP at this in Chicago.Scared of public transportation because it must be bad because we are requiring masks.
There are millions and millions of people who fall in between The Squad and the Trumpists. Probably most people. But Nichi sure doesn’t think so.
There are millions and millions of people who fall in between The Squad and the Trumpists. Probably most people. But Nichi sure doesn’t think so.
Scared of public transportation because it must be bad because we are requiring masks.
Not scared of NCAA tournament games because no masks required.
I understand that there are a lot of people out there who are irrational.
Masks make sense for mass transit in general. Private or public. Mainly to reduce the risk of infected passengers spreading the virus.
I rode public transit for decades when I lived downtown, never once worrying about getting sick or someone with a cough in my general area. Sure is strange how times changed so quickly over a not so deadly coronavirus
I rode public transit for decades when I lived downtown, never once worrying about getting sick or someone with a cough in my general area. Sure is strange how times changed so quickly over a not so deadly coronavirusYou never worried about it, and that explains why you caught severe mental illness.
You haven't seen who is left taking public transportation in Chicago when everyone is working remotely.this is the real answer of course. "No" transportation
You haven't seen who is left taking public transportation in Chicago when everyone is working remotely.
Oh.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/amp/Prominent-Wuhan-lab-can-ask-UTMB-to-destroy-17113462.php
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Of course there are. But they don't get heard.
not so deadly coronavirus
Only killed 1.1 million Americans in a little over 2 years. The flu took 330 thousand in over a decade.
Leading causes of death in USA for 2020
Heart disease: 696,962
Cancer: 602,350
COVID-19: 350,831
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 200,955
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 160,264
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 152,657
Alzheimer’s disease: 134,242
Diabetes: 102,188
Influenza and pneumonia: 53,544
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 52,547
It's sort of like calling a an 800 number with a question. You get a menu. If you are calling about x, push 1. And so on. If your question is not answered, you can always try the web site. You are provided faqs. If your question is not included, it must not be pertinent.
btw
The extra money for Covid deaths was debunked and only brain dead idiots ever bought that.
What is the incentive to overstate Covid deaths?
The people downplaying them are the same ones who say the moon landing was fake, 9-11 was an inside job, Sandy Hook was a false flag operation, the fossil record was faked by Satan ...
What
It's not the extra money for Covid deaths, It's the more money for Covid diagnosis which may, or may not, result in a more labor intensive hospital stay.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/
"We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE.
Hospitals and doctors do get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19 or if it's considered presumed they have COVID-19 absent a laboratory-confirmed test, and three times more if the patients are placed on a ventilator to cover the cost of care and loss of business resulting from a shift in focus to treat COVID-19 cases."
Wow. Did not know all that about IlliniGolf and QAnon97! Interesting.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-lowers-coronavirus-death-count
"Colorado has made a stunning and significant change to the way it counts COVID-19 deaths that reduced the statewide figure from more than 1,000 to 878, according to a report.
The change came after Colorado’s Department of Public Health admitted that its COVID-19 death toll was counting those who tested positive for the coronavirus but had died of other causes, Fox 31 Denver reported late Friday.
The department now says 1,150 Coloradoans who died had COVID-19 but only 878 of those deaths were “due to” COVID-19.
"We have been reporting at the state, deaths among people who had COVID-19 at the time of death and the cause of that death may or may not have been COVID-19,” Dr. Eric France, the health department's chief medical officer told the station."
https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-reports-fewer-covid-19-204027980.html
"(Reuters) - The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported 966,575 deaths from COVID-19 on Friday after it corrected the data earlier this week, which reduced the death tallies in all age-groups, including children.
The health agency, in a statement to Reuters, said it made adjustments to its COVID Data Tracker's mortality data on March 14 because its algorithm was accidentally counting deaths that were not COVID-19-related.
The adjustment resulted in removal of 72,277 deaths previously reported across 26 states, including 416 pediatric deaths, CDC said.
The reduction cut the CDC's estimate of deaths in children by 24% to 1,341 as of March 18."
Ask the bureaucrats why they're padding the death totals.
...Ask the bureaucrats why they're padding the death totals.
I thought it was the doctors and hospitals that were overcounting COVID-19 deaths.Lol.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/10/27/trump-claims-doctors-overcounting-covid-19-coronavirus-deaths-to-make-more-money/?sh=1cd77f306cb9
You should be happy the government bureaucrats are reevaluating and then revising the data where appropriate. It’s what they do.
The true death toll of COVID-19 may not be known for several years.
.
So you think they were padding Covid deaths to somehow retroactively get the 20% mark up for having treating medicare patients? I am not following the logic. The bonus is for treating Covid. Not for Covid deaths.
Are they putting people on ventilators who do not need ventilators? If so, how does that relate to giving Covid as the cause of the death on the death certificate?
I am going to guess they will say they were focused on stopping the pandemic at the timeThen why were we told that it wasn't transmissible?
"The extra money for Covid deaths was debunked and only brain dead idiots ever bought that."
"The Rankin County coroner said he wrestles with family members who argue against citing COVID-19 on death certificates, then reverse course when they learn that the federal government pays for burials of people who die from the coronavirus."
Then why were we told that it wasn't transmissible?
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.htmlThe leading cause of death is birth. Everyone who is born, will die.
A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000.
Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html
A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000.
Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.
Anyone with a brain saw this coming a mile away and we were sneered at by the left for it ! Funny all the news finally trickling out proving that the right was right about the Rona all along !
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/briefing/school-closures-covid-learning-loss.html
Mother in law, 82, outside of Lincoln, has COVID, per a rapid test.
Goes to the doctor in Lincoln for a PCR test. Known COVID positive, they allow her to wait in the waiting room for 30 minutes, with a presumably substandard mask.
Sees the nurse practitioner. She advises that MIL go to Springfield for "an infusion of Hydroxychloroquine". This is not in the protocol for treatment of COVID, but the nurse knows a doctor who will fake a lupus or malaria diagnosis so that the treatment will be covered by medicare. This despite the advent of paxlovid.
Mother in law, 82, outside of Lincoln, has COVID, per a rapid test.Hydroxychloroquine is available as a tablet. It's cheap.
Goes to the doctor in Lincoln for a PCR test. Known COVID positive, they allow her to wait in the waiting room for 30 minutes, with a presumably substandard mask.
Sees the nurse practitioner. She advises that MIL go to Springfield for "an infusion of Hydroxychloroquine". This is not in the protocol for treatment of COVID, but the nurse knows a doctor who will fake a lupus or malaria diagnosis so that the treatment will be covered by medicare. This despite the advent of paxlovid.
Hydroxychloroquine is available as a tablet. It's cheap.
The infusion must be something else.
Was it suggested for an infusion of something followed by hydroxychloroquine therapy ?
Paxlovid needs to be given within 5 days of symptom onset, and there are reports of a rebound Covid case with the possibility of symptoms being worse than the initial case.
It's possible that the Paxlovid therapy was not an option.
Hopefully your MIL gets thru with no issues.
Are you projecting that this nurse practitioner was giving reasoned advice? Tablet or infusion, it's not an indicated treatment, for a nurse to recommend it is wackI was trying to be helpful.
As wack as you concern trolling paxlovid as having rebound cases, instead of "hydroxychlorquine does nothing for COVID". It might be cheap, then again so is pez and it's just as effective
She got it at Church, it's Wednesday, she's inside the window
Mother in law, 82, outside of Lincoln, has COVID, per a rapid test.
Goes to the doctor in Lincoln for a PCR test. Known COVID positive, they allow her to wait in the waiting room for 30 minutes, with a presumably substandard mask.
Sees the nurse practitioner. She advises that MIL go to Springfield for "an infusion of Hydroxychloroquine". This is not in the protocol for treatment of COVID, but the nurse knows a doctor who will fake a lupus or malaria diagnosis so that the treatment will be covered by medicare. This despite the advent of paxlovid.
Lincoln hasn't been the same since The Tropics permanently closed in 2004.
I was trying to be helpful.all good.
I'm questioning her/your description of how the NP conversation went.
all good.It's also possible that she may have an underlying health matter that would preclude the use of paxlovid.
Nurse told her something. It went through the FOX News translator in the 82 year old brain, then via phone to my wife, so who knows. Could have been "tablet" not infusion, could have been "monoclonals" not hydroxy, suffice to say that she said to us "infusion of hydroxychloroquine"
Link ?
There are iv forms of hydroxy
Link ?
Oral hydroxychloroquine has an absorption half life of 3-4 hours.2,13 A 200mg oral dose of hydroxychloroquine has a half life of 537 hours or 22.4 days in blood, and 2963 hours or 123.5 days in plasma.13 A 155mg intravenous dose has a half life of 40 days.
https://go.drugbank.com/drugs/DB01611
Oral hydroxychloroquine has an absorption half life of 3-4 hours.2,13 A 200mg oral dose of hydroxychloroquine has a half life of 537 hours or 22.4 days in blood, and 2963 hours or 123.5 days in plasma.13 A 155mg intravenous dose has a half life of 40 days.
https://go.drugbank.com/drugs/DB01611
Are you saying that Mn made a claim without taking 15 seconds to vet, and when countered still didn't go look it up?And where is this injectable drug available ?
And where is this injectable drug available ?
Intravenous half life may have been part of the original research and development, or part of later studies.
I don't think you will find that it is commercially available.
IV infusion and injection are evidently not the same thing. You can inject yourself. fwig, an infusion would generally be an outpatient treatment?Fine. The drug still has to go thru a needle and into a vein.
Fine. The drug still has to go thru a needle and into a vein.
Where is this infusable hydroxychloroquine available ?
Mn!!!Lol.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-09/covid-lab-leak-theory-needs-more-investigation-who-advisers-say
Lol.
I hope they don't ruffle any feathers with their efforts.
Bat feathers? (I don't think they have feathers.)Feathers = furin cleavage site. It's code.
Mn! They are covering up the lab origins of the Black Plague now!They were probably doing gain of function research too.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-06-black-death-mystery-years.html
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/fauci-harvard-and-the-ccp/
"On the morning of Sunday February 2, 2020, Anthony Fauci, then in the middle of putting together America’s pandemic response, received an unusual email with a highly unusual request. The email, revealed as part of a tranche of FOIA documents requested by the Intercept, was from George Daley, the dean of Harvard Medical School. “Alan Garber, Harvard’s provost, and I met yesterday with a team led by Jack Xia, the CEO of China’s Evergrande Company, and Dr. Jack Liu, Evergrande’s chief health officer,” Daley wrote. Addressing the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases as “Tony,” he asked for “whatever information you are willing to share on your current efforts to coordinate a response.”
It was an odd question on its own: What business did Evergrande — then the most valuable real estate company on earth, but also widely known to be catastrophically indebted — have with the director of America’s pandemic response? But Daley’s next line was stranger still. “[Xia and Liu] stated thy [sic] were acting on behalf of Dr Zhong Nanshan, China’s key point person on the coronavirus outbreak (see below).” Below was an email from Evergrande’s Liu to Daley which, save for an opening line, is entirely redacted."
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Anybody heard from Dr. Bacow ?
Maybe this has already been linked. Can't say I understand Gain of Function (GoF), but this helps:The article appears to be dated within about a week after Gain of Function and PPP3 wording was changed in the NIH website.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02903-x
Technically, any genetic engineering that gives an organism new abilities would be a Gain of Function. Apparently, the definition as applied to pathogen research has evolved. it came to mean any research that improves a pathogen’s abilities to cause disease or spread from host to host.
But we don't really care unless it actually makes the pathogen more dangerous. So they came up up with Gain of Function of Concern. Still don't think GoFRoC resolves Paul versus Fauci.
Whether what they did at Wuhan indirectly funded by Ecohealth was GoFRoC is a matter of opinion.
"The chimeric viruses in the Wuhan Institute study were new viruses made in the lab. But the manipulations that made them did not enhance their ability to cause disease in humans. The starting virus, WIV1, could already infect human cells using ACE2. Although some scientists have argued that the work does constitute GOF, at the time the research was approved, it was evaluated by NIAID and considered exempt from the funding pause."
The article appears to be dated within about a week after Gain of Function and PPP3 wording was changed in the NIH website.
The 2016 Ecohealth grant required progress reports, which Ecohealth was not fully compliant with and required reminders of that lack of compliance to Ecohealth.
The grant request appears to have involved mentions of work at UNC, which NIH/NIAID reminded Ecohealth that any work outside of China required additional information.
Ecohealth's response ? Thank you for bringing that to our attention, it was a "clerical error".
Interesting that the author links to work being done by Ralph Baric at UNC.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2015.18787
The data ? I believe it's still under China review before it can be posted, as per the grant wording.
Re Gain of function terminology ?
Daszak emailed NIH/NIAID in July 2016 thanking them for lifting the funding on, in his own words, "Gain of Function research".
What does "Gain of Function research" mean? I don't know. It appears to mean different things in different contexts. In general, it seems to mean genetically altering organisms in ways that give them new abilities. Would researching GMO foods apply?
Here we are talking in the context of microbiology, specifically pathogenic virology. But giving a virus new abilities is not a concern unless it makes it more infectious. Even then, it may or may not be deemed dangerous.
That seems to be the rationale behind distinguishing GoF in general from GoF of concern. When talking about a pause, that strikes me as reasonable. YMMV.
It is not shocking that scientists differ when we get into gray areas. Some examples are clearly not of concern, others are, a few are debatable.
Ecohealth had a couple minor technical clerical errors? I am shocked! Suddenly the right cares about bureaucratic red tape and hoop jumping?
The author of the article "Amber Dance is an award-winning freelance science journalist based in Southern California. She earned a Ph.D. in biology from the University of California, San Diego, before retraining as a journalist at the University of California, Santa Cruz." -- bio
The author of the letter you posted is a Republican Senator. "He attended Tarkio College in Missouri for one year on a football scholarship before enrolling at Santa Fe Community College (now Santa Fe College) in Gainesville, Florida. He earned his Bachelor of Arts degree in political science from the University of Florida in 1993 and his Juris Doctor cum laude from the University of Miami School of Law" -- wiki
"retraining"
So are you saying that Robb would think Little Marco is dumber than JudgeJudy?
wtf does Rob or Judy have to do with it? I am saying the journalist with the PhD in Biology has more credibility than the Republican hack lawyer politician.
You used a gender specific pronoun.
Retrain "learn new skills so as to be able to do a different job"
The possibly menstruating person perhaps trained as journalist so they could write about biology. Their work demonstrates knowledge.
Your so-called avatar gives you a stupid and grumpy demeanor.
Were you a biology major, and that is why you know that's true?
I was for a while. Switched to poli sci. Then English lit. Then Psych.
https://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/article/bay-area-mask-mandate-results-17271294.php
had a friend visit me recently who lives in Oakland and he was very pissed about being the only county in the US with a mandate, (I had no idea and go to california all the time) he stopped going to the local watering hole even because of the stupidity of having to order drinks while wearing a mask but then you can sit at the bar without one lol, he had enough
no surprise that the cases went down naturally anyways because well..... duh
had a friend visit me recently who lives in Oakland and he was very pissed about being the only county in the US with a mandate, (I had no idea and go to california all the time) he stopped going to the local watering hole even because of the stupidity of having to order drinks while wearing a mask but then you can sit at the bar without one lol, he had enough
no surprise that the cases went down naturally anyways because well..... duh
"A virologist who coauthored a paper marginalizing the lab leak theory did not disclose his ties to the research group at the center of it.
Director of Columbia University’s Center for Infection and Immunity Ian Lipkin has often worked with EcoHealth Alliance, a U.S.-based collaborator of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the group confirmed in an email.
Lipkin did not disclose his partnership with EcoHealth in “The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2,” a highly influential paper that states that COVID-19 arose from nature."
https://usrtk.org/biohazards-blog/anti-lab-leak-virologist-ecohealth-alliance-partner/
He has 15 papers co-authored with Peter Daszak, among others.
Virtually everybody has ruled out the possibility that the Covid virus was developed either accidentally or purposefully via GoF. The only lableak theory that gets any credence, albeit remote, is that a wild virus from samples taken from bats could have escaped.
Just keep in mind that the scientific paper in question was not co-authored by Daszak. I have no problem if a right-wing publication wants to take a whack at Lipkin. His past affiliations with the EcoHealth Alliance are well known.
Also, the paper was published in March 2020. From what I can tell, Lipkin has altered his views with the uncovering of more evidence, acknowledging the possibility that the Wuhan lab was experimenting with unknown viruses.
Lipkin’s theories may be shown to be incorrect. Nothing wrong with that. That’s how science works.
Are you sure this is true? Seems that all cards remain on the table at this point.
Minor quibble: "...science is supposed to work."
Amy Maxmen, who said she's never met Peter Daszak, sat next to Peter Daszak when "Peter Daszak in 2016 gives the rationale for work by his colleagues in China on manipulating the coronavirus spike protein to see if they can infect human cells."Well, I didn't do this work. My colleagues in China did it.
The individual on Daszak's right is W. Ian Lipkin, one of the Proximal Origins authors.
Lipkin has a rather puzzled look on his face when Daszak says that he didn't do the work. It was his colleagues that did it.
Lipkin, from the Vanity Fair article, "Lipkin was added as a fifth author on the Proximal Origin letter. On February 11, 2020, ahead of publication, he emailed a coauthor to say that a draft provided “a plausible argument against genetic engineering” but did “not eliminate the possibility of inadvertent release” through routine laboratory work cultivating a virus at the WIV. He added, “Given the scale of the bat CoV research pursued there and the site of emergence of the first human cases we have a nightmare of circumstantial evidence to assess.”
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4995877/user-clip-ecohealth-alliance-daszak-2016-describing-chinas-colleagues-work-coronavirus-spike
Maxmen then cites 3 pre-print articles. One authored by several China CDC members, among others, and the other 2 include 4 of the Proximal Origin authors.
Re the Vox article.
Rule #1: If gain of function research is halted in the U.S., don't fund gain of function research in China.
Rule #2: see rule #1.
Lipkin’s theories may be shown to be incorrect. Nothing wrong with that. That’s how science works.
Show me evidence to the contrary on any of the points.
Cite one credible expert in a relevant field who thinks the the virus that causes Covid was human made in a lab.
I'll stipulate that some credible experts in relevant fields think it is possible a naturally occurring virus may have escaped from a lab and caused the pandemic. Cite one who thinks that is the likely explanation.
While I am at it, the discussion over the definition of GoF reminds me of the GMO debate. The vast majority of food crops we eat are GMO (genetically modified organisms). They were genetically modified via selective breeding and cross-breeding. The ruby red grapefruit was genetically modified by irradiation.
But when we talk about the GMO debate and frankenfoods, we specifically mean foods and food sources genetically modified by genetic engineering.
Nobody changed the definition though.
I am sure Mn will continue to do the heavy lifting in this area. However, if the fucking Chinese Commie Bastards won't share info, doesn't at least a scintilla of doubt creep into this? Hard to rule it out when the bastards are.hiding info.And I believe the grant was written given the Chinese the ability to hide the data they won't release.
Granted, Saddam didn't have weapons of mass destruction, but he sure as hell acted like he did, didn't he?
I am sure Mn will continue to do the heavy lifting in this area. However, if the fucking Chinese Commie Bastards won't share info, doesn't at least a scintilla of doubt creep into this? Hard to rule it out when the bastards are.hiding info.
Granted, Saddam didn't have weapons of mass destruction, but he sure as hell acted like he did, didn't he?
I am sure Mn will continue to do the heavy lifting in this area. However, if the fucking Chinese Commie Bastards won't share info, doesn't at least a scintilla of doubt creep into this? Hard to rule it out when the bastards are.hiding info.
Granted, Saddam didn't have weapons of mass destruction, but he sure as hell acted like he did, didn't he?
I think China’s standing in the world is sunk either way, even if the evidence doesn’t ultimately point to the lab-leak theory.
Instead of:
“COVID 19 was cooked up in a lab; the product of extremely dangerous research, slipshod safety standards and a cover-up by global elites. What exactly were the secretive Wuhan virologists and their American co-conspirators aiming to do with these juiced viruses in the first place?”
We can easily pivot back to:
“China’s barbaric cultural traditions, unsanitary animal husbandry practices and revolting culinary tastes renders it the master incubator of terrible diseases in the world. We have all witnessed the lawless oriental bazaars where the Chinese eat animals alive.”
Wouldn’t it be great if Columbo came in and somehow got somebody to confess or show what actually happened?
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I'm old enough to remember a few epidemiologists who suggested protecting the vulnerable and that lockdowns were not a good approach being labeled "fringe" by the people who helped fund the research that may have brought the virus from a lab in China to the world and who told you it was zoonotic in nature.
I'm old enough to remember a few epidemiologists who suggested protecting the vulnerable and that lockdowns were not a good approach being labeled "fringe" by the people who helped fund the research that may have brought the virus from a lab in China to the world and who told you it was zoonotic in nature.
You forgot the one where you tanked the economy.
Literally cannot wait til this comes out !
https://twitter.com/P_McCulloughMD/status/1546149596895797248?s=20&t=Gk56WK6Tv8_hMJgi6kjspQ
Hey, thanks for the update. ;D
Dr. Deborah Birx: "I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against infection and I think we overplayed the vaccines ..."
An animal market in China's Wuhan really was the epicenter of the Covid pandemic, according to a pair of new studies in the journal Science published Tuesday that claimed to have tipped the balance in the debate about the virus' origins.
Mn!!!!!
https://news.yahoo.com/pair-studies-point-natural-covid-213514366.html
Mn!!!!!I got all the way to ......
https://news.yahoo.com/pair-studies-point-natural-covid-213514366.html
Paragraph 1.
"However, the observation that the preponderance of early cases were linked to the Huanan market does not establish that the pandemic originated there."
Why trust qualified scientists with impartial funding? I only listen to political analysts funded by Rupert Murdoch.
"An animal market in China's Wuhan really was the epicenter of the Covid pandemic, ....."
Meanwhile, in March of 2020 we had our own epicenter and the presence of mind to not view the nursing home as the origin.
"Life Care Center, a low-slung building in a quiet part of town, is now the epicenter ......"
"It all began with patient zero. The 35-year-old had just returned to Seattle on January 15 from visiting family in Wuhan, China."
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/coronavirus-outbreak-how-it-spread-nationwide-from-washington-state-nursing-home/
Steven Quay, speaking to a Senate committee yesterday ....
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He's a Michigan man. What makes you think he can be trusted?Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't noticed it.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/physician-scientist-dr-steven-quay-to-brief-the-us-congress-on-his-research-investigating-the-origin-of-the-covid-19-pandemic-301296668.html
May 21, 2021, 09:00 ET
He has been pushing this for at least 14 months+
Mn, sounds like the Commie Chinese have cooked up another virus and blaming it on shrews!You mean the Nipah virus that 'he's been pushing this for 14+ months' Steven Quay mentioned last week ?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/dozens-in-china-infected-with-new-langya-virus-carried-by-shrews/ar-AA10v6HR
Hey PAMan.
Did you miss this one re one of the Proximal Origins authors ?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-13/profile-professor-eddie-holmes-virus-hunter-covid-19/101324738
"that's where the virus definitely started spreading."
After flu season ended on Dec 10 +/-, I guess.
https://brownstone.org/articles/the-lab-leak-the-plots-and-schemes-of-jeremy-farrar-anthony-fauci-and-francis-collins/
"When I told Eliza about the suspicions over the origins of the new coronavirus, she advised that everyone involved in the delicate conversations should raise our guard, security-wise. We should use different phones; avoid putting things in emails; and ditch our normal email addresses and phone contacts."
"I’m only quoting what Farrar says in his own book. He reports that the experts he consulted were 80% sure it had come from a lab. They all scheduled an online meeting for February 1, 2020."
Spike: The Virus vs. The People - the Inside Story
Jeremy Farrar
Anjana Ahuja
A week and a half later, the pangolin was behind it all.
He writes a daily column on economics at The Epoch Times,
Will keep an open mind nonetheless....
It's always the source, except when it comes to according to sources, sources say, a source not authorized to speak on the subject .....
And the source is Farrar's book.
;)
I am keeping an open mind!Which you've pretty much done all along.
Which you've pretty much done all along.
Again, I am not interpreting things here.
What strikes me most in retrospect concerning the idea of the lab leak is the following. During the most critical weeks leading up to the obvious spread of the virus all over the Northeast of the U.S., leading to incredible carnage in nursing homes due to egregious policies that failed to protect the vulnerable and even deliberately infected them, public health officials in the US and UK were consumed not with a proper health response but with fear of dealing with the probability that this virus was man-made in China.
They deliberated in secret. They used burner phones. They spoke only to their trusted colleagues. This went on for more than a month from late January 2020 to early March. Whether this virus originated as a lab leak or not in this case is not so much the issue; there is no question that Farrar, Collins, Fauci, and company all believed that it was likely and even probable, and they spent their time and energies plotting the spin. This fear consumed them entirely at the very moment when their job was to be thinking of the best public-health response.
Then he proceeds to interpret things:If only there was a way to gather some information.
I am going to guess they were doing both and one, knowing the source of the virus, could help with two, response to the virus.
It certainly looks like they took it seriously, at the start, that its origins could be from a lab leak. Not sure this does anything to advance resolution of the source.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-31860-w
That technical data is above my job description, but it looks like good science.Imagine that. Yes, it looks to have possible benefit; instead of you take this little thing and put it over here and, well, I didn't do it. My colleagues did it.
They should have credited you"All authors approved the submitted manuscript and agree to be held accountable for their own contributions and ensure that questions related to the accuracy or integrity of any part of the work are appropriately investigated, resolved, and the resolution documented in the literature."
Who's going to kick Rand Paul's ass in Senate hearings after he retires?
"Final discussion
Regular use of ivermectin led to a 100% reduction in hospitalization rate, a 92% reduction in mortality rate, and an 86% reduction in the risk of dying from COVID-19 when compared to non-users. Irregular use of ivermectin led to a 51% reduction in the risk of dying, a 29% reduction in hospitalization rate, and a 37% reduction in mortality rate from COVID-19. Statistically significant reductions in hospitalization (100%) and mortality rates (84%), and risk of dying from COVID-19 (72%) were observed in regular users when compared to irregular users."
https://www.cureus.com/articles/111851-regular-use-of-ivermectin-as-prophylaxis-for-covid-19-led-up-to-a-92-reduction-in-covid-19-mortality-rate-in-a-dose-response-manner-results-of-a-prospective-observational-study-of-a-strictly-controlled-population-of-88012-subjects#article-information-publication-history
This study is a retrospective analysis of routinely collected clinical registry data from a Brazilian city where apparently the whole population was offered Ivermectin. It is not a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial. The study also has multiple limitations that call the reliability of its conclusions into question.
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/ivermectin-study-itajai-contains-methodological-weaknesses-questionable-conclusions/
There are several large clinical trials on the safety and efficacy of the use of Ivermectin to treat COVID-19. They will be available in the coming months and should provide a more definitive answer as to whether Ivermectin is beneficial, or not.
Tell me who is paying for them and I’ll tell you what the results will be.
Mn!You ran this past me a month and a half ago.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/lancet-report-claiming-covid-could-have-come-from-us-lab-met-with-uproar?source=articles&via=rss
You ran this past me a month and a half ago.
Angela Rasmussen receives support from Wellcome Trust, home of Jeremy Farrar.
And Rasmussen joins the Proximal Origins authors and Michael Worobey in a study funded by ......
you guessed it.
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This one claims it could have leaked from a US lab.Well, the headline mentions a leak, being met by uproars, anyway.
"This analysis found that there is an 84% increase in the relative incidence of cardiac-related death among males 18-39 years old within 28 days following mRNA vaccination.....
As such, the State Surgeon General recommends against males aged 18 to 39 from receiving mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. Those with preexisting cardiac conditions, such as myocarditis and pericarditis, should take particular caution when making this decision."
https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/FLDOH/bulletins/3312697
It will be interesting to see how this analysis is received in the medical research community. Ladapo’s past vaccine recommendations have been less than stellar.This is 3 articles from this spring. The guidance announced is with regard to mRNA (not Novavax or Johnson and Johnson's) vaccines, and was announced yesterday.
COVID researchers: Florida ‘cherry-picked’ our work in kid vaccine recommendation
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2022/03/11/covid-researchers-say-florida-cherry-picked-facts-in-child-vaccine-advice/
A column by Florida's former surgeon general contradicts the state’s vaccine guidance for minors
https://news.wgcu.org/2022-05-05/a-column-by-floridas-former-surgeon-general-contradicts-the-states-vaccine-guidance-for-minors
Doctors push back against Florida's recommendation against COVID vaccines for children
https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/doctors-push-back-against-floridas-recommendation-against-covid-vaccines-for-children
Pfizer rep, sitting in for Bouria, says the vaccine was not tested regarding reducing or preventing transmission of the virus.
She was not asked about the transmission of $$$$.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1579830040858329089
Looks like a Twitter site for COVID frothers. As long as the vaccine helps me avoid serious illness, hospitalization and death, I’m good.
Looks like a Twitter site for COVID frothers. As long as the vaccine helps me avoid serious illness, hospitalization and death, I’m good.
Jesus 🤦🏻Mary and Joseph should be arriving soon. :D
We'll see how this plays out.
Maybe.
And the rebuttal is not that their work may increase the pathogenicity of Omicron, but rather that they are seeing a reduction in the pathogenicity of the strain that we no longer see, the original strain.
From the pre-print.
"We generated chimeric recombinant SARS-CoV-2 encoding the S gene of Omicron in the backbone of an ancestral SARS-CoV-2 isolate and compared this virus with the naturally circulating Omicron variant. The Omicron S-bearing virus robustly escapes vaccine-induced humoral immunity, mainly due to mutations in the receptor binding motif (RBM), yet unlike naturally occurring Omicron, efficiently replicates in cell lines and primary-like distal lung cells. In K18-hACE2 mice, while Omicron causes mild,
non-fatal infection, the Omicron S-carrying virus inflicts severe disease with a mortality rate of 80%."
https://www.statnews.com/2022/10/17/boston-university-researchers-testing-of-lab-made-version-of-covid-virus-draws-government-scrutiny/
"But it has become apparent that the research team did not clear the work with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which was one of the funders of the project. The agency indicated it is going to be looking for some answers as to why it first learned of the work through media reports.
Emily Erbelding, director of NIAID’s division of microbiology and infectious diseases, said the BU team’s original grant applications did not specify that the scientists wanted to do this precise work. Nor did the group make clear that it was doing experiments that might involve enhancing a pathogen of pandemic potential in the progress reports it provided to NIAID.
“I think we’re going to have conversations over upcoming days,” Erbelding told STAT in an interview."
A Senate Minority Oversight committee report on the origin of Covid.
https://t.co/glp1ovZ7sX
How about a summary? I don't want to download this as it may contain viruses.How about this ?
A Senate Minority Oversight committee report on the origin of Covid.
https://t.co/glp1ovZ7sX
The Chinese commies dunnit?It appears as tho 1 pangolin in the whole wide world, who also disappeared from the face of the earth without infecting any other pangolins in the whole wide world, didn't do it.
How about this ?
Have a shot first tho, and maybe a booster or 2.
Click on "here" in the last sentence.
https://www.help.senate.gov/ranking/newsroom/press/senate-help-committee-minority-oversight-staff-releases-interim-report-analyzing-origins-of-covid-19-pandemic
You can read the complete interim report here.
As noted by the WHO Scientific Advisory Group for the Origins of Novel Pathogens, the COVID19 Lancet Commission, and the U.S. Office of the Director of National Intelligence 90-Day Assessment on the COVID-19 Origins, more information is needed to arrive at a more precise, if not a definitive, understanding of the origins of SARS-CoV-2 and how the COVID-19 pandemic began. Governments, leaders, public health officials, and scientists involved in addressing the COVID-19 pandemic and working to prevent future pandemics, must commit to greater transparency, engagement, and responsibility in their efforts.
Based on the analysis of the publicly available information, it appears reasonable to conclude that the COVID-19 pandemic was, more likely than not, the result of a research-related incident. New information, made publicly available and independently verifiable, could change this assessment. However, the hypothesis of a natural zoonotic origin no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt, or the presumption of accuracy.
So in these relaxed places, there must be low inflation, low crime, etc. And no one took advantage of the stimulus packages, nobody voluntarily practiced social distancing, wore masks, got vaccines, limited indoor social activity, allowed employees to work from home ...Yep. You nailed it.
The science will get sorted out by scientists in spite of efforts by the right to politicize it.If only there was a back story of why the Nature Medicine Proximal Origin article initially submitted to Nature was rejected.
If only there was a back story of why the Nature Medicine Proximal Origin article initially submitted to Nature was rejected."Marion Koopmans, head of virology at the Erasmus Medical Center in the Netherlands, and Ron Fouchier, her deputy, were key to some of its central arguments. Christian Drosten, director of the Institute of Virology at the Charité Hospital in Berlin, also made the case that SARS-CoV-2 could not have been engineered.
"Marion Koopmans, head of virology at the Erasmus Medical Center in the Netherlands, and Ron Fouchier, her deputy, were key to some of its central arguments. Christian Drosten, director of the Institute of Virology at the Charité Hospital in Berlin, also made the case that SARS-CoV-2 could not have been engineered.
A review of their scientific publications show that they have deeper experience working with coronaviruses in the lab than the virologists publicly credited as co-authors of the article.
But Koopmans and Fouchier also had competing interests.
Erasmus Medical Center partners with EcoHealth Alliance, a virus hunting project that worked closely with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a lab at the pandemic’s epicenter.
Fouchier’s involvement in particular may have caused a stir had it been apparent when the piece first published online in March 2020."
https://usrtk.org/covid-19-origins/paper-critical-of-lab-leak-theory-cribbed-ideas-from-controversial-gain-of-function-virologist/
The July 2020 redacted email from Andersen, who favored the engineering view before the 'call' and hidden from view for over 2 years.... 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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And the recently obtained version .....
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Fouchier and Drostek were on the call.
Who was on the original W.HO. 'investigative' researcher team to go to Wuhan to get to the bottom of the origin of Covid ?
Fouchier's boss, Koopmans, and Daszak.
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It's "a very destructive conspiracy".
Francis Collins
'Well I didn't do it. My colleagues did it."
Peter Daszak
Least shocking news since Tempo confirmed at 3AM that I'm living rent free in his head.
(https://i.ibb.co/GPhndjJ/EA09-D829-A2-E9-4922-93-AE-2-CEFB6-E1-DD84.jpg) (https://ibb.co/F7PmhtW)A just released study regarding the potential benefit of Vit D, so I was going thru some old posts and found this. I'm guessing there won't be much free pizza. 🍕🍕
Sounds like Mn was at the press conference.Couldn't make it to the adulations only presser. I was busy looking thru 200 pages of his emails, obtained via FOIA, released yesterday.
Fauci's farewell goes awry as reporters ask about Covid origins https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11458303/Faucis-White-House-farewell-goes-rails-reporters-ask-COVID-19-origins.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton
Mn!
The study finds that excess deaths during the pandemic were 76% higher among Republicans than Democrats in two states, Ohio and Florida.
What’s more, the partisan gap in death rates increased significantly after vaccines were introduced.
https://www.nextgov.com/ideas/2022/11/more-republicans-died-democrats-after-covid-19-vaccines-came-out/380279/
I had to unfriend an old friend and his wife (both whom I thought pretty highly of at one time) and now live in Florida. He was posting nonsense, severely under-inflating the Florida death count. I finally un-friended him on FB. Then a few months later his wife, who I absolutely adored as a person started posting nonsense, too. Had to axe her.
Maybe you should have continued interacting with them to try and bring them around to your point of view.
I sometimes know when to cut bait.
I understood that when typing it.
I had to unfriend an old friend and his wife (both whom I thought pretty highly of at one time) and now live in Florida. He was posting nonsense, severely under-inflating the Florida death count. I finally un-friended him on FB. Then a few months later his wife, who I absolutely adored as a person started posting nonsense, too. Had to axe her.
Mn!He's been saying this for a long time. He hasn't been very complimentary of Daszak either.
https://nypost.com/2022/12/03/scientist-who-worked-at-wuhan-lab-says-covid-man-made-virus/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons
He's been saying this for a long time. He hasn't been very complimentary of Daszak either.
I think he's on a book tour now. Did you order the book ?
I got it autographed for you for the holidaysHey thanks 👍
Mn!Without goggling, who is Shi Zhengli ?
https://nypost.com/2022/12/03/scientist-who-worked-at-wuhan-lab-says-covid-man-made-virus/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons
Without goggling, who is Shi Zhengli ?
BOSTON — COVID-19 infections are causing liver damage lasting months after diagnosis, according to new research. Researchers at Massachusetts General Hospital discovered COVID-positive patients had a “statistically significant” higher liver stiffness than the rest of the population.
No clue. I count on you for any rundown on the COVID players.No big deal. In his deposition last week. Fauci wasn't sure who she is either.
Getting to the bottom of Hunter Biden’s laptop, and what happened at that lab in Wuhan. God bless you and your “work,” Mn.I'm glad you're taking an active interest. You're more informed than the average American.
I'm glad you're taking an active interest. You're more informed than the average American.
I'm glad you're taking an active interest. You're more informed than the average American.
It’s a sad thing to admit, but I’d venture to guess that everyone who posts here is.Now, let's not go too far here. ;D
Now, let's not go too far here. ;D
We all aren't on The Twitter!Don't you get everything you need on your Axios feed ?
Don't you get everything you need on your Axios feed ?
From scientist to scientist: follow the science.
Cheers
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Just comparing notes....:D
3 years of world wide death, social and economic turmoil and somebody asks Fauci about Daszak having access to the genomes.
'Well, yeah. Good chance.'
3 years of journalists journalizing about the pangolin, or some other unknown creature.
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Fauci's or the government's lawyer allowing him to speculate...The Facebook or the Twitter should slap a 'missing context, could be ,misleading' comment on it.
No clue. I count on you for any rundown on the COVID players.
Nothing to see here though -
https://studyfinds.org/covid-liver-damage/
Have zero clue how good this study is. Did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
No big deal. In his deposition last week. Fauci wasn't sure who she is either.
Fauci is a liar and should be arrested. He spoke highly of Covaxin being only effective vaccine for all variants. Then when questioned on why it wasn't approved in the US he acted like never heard of the vaccine. Which btw is a WHO approved vaccine and in many journals, Modi got the jab with.You've noticed a pattern of failing up ?
Take him to prison now. He will be on the board a Pfizer next week I bet.
WOW, I will read this study. It is what happened to me. I was perfectly healthy, got COVID, then now am at stage 3 liver damage.
WOW, I will read this study. It is what happened to me. I was perfectly healthy, got COVID, then now am at stage 3 liver damage.
Hope you feel better. Did we figure out if Squeaky gave you The COVID or not?
Speaking of squeaky voices, maybe he could go on the voice or agt and become a pop singer?
From UMass, published yesterday.
"Extensive antibody profiling and T-cell responses in the individuals who developed postvaccine myocarditis were essentially indistinguishable from those of vaccinated control subjects, despite a modest increase in cytokine production. A notable finding was that markedly elevated levels of full-length spike protein (33.9±22.4 pg/mL), unbound by antibodies, were detected in the plasma of individuals with postvaccine myocarditis, whereas no free spike was detected in asymptomatic vaccinated control subjects"
" However, free spike antigen was detected in the blood of adolescents and young adults who developed post-mRNA vaccine myocarditis, advancing insight into its potential underlying cause."
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.061025
Break that down in plain English, Doc.
Break that down in plain English, Doc.The vaccine results in an inflammatory response and essentially equal immunity between those who develop myocarditis and those who don't.
So glad I didn’t get the mRNA bullshit. Despite all the propaganda, something was clearly not right about it all.I get the impression that myocarditis and heart attacks are more from the bi-valent vaccines. At my age, protection against the Delta variant made sense.
The vaccine results in an inflammatory response and essentially equal immunity between those who develop myocarditis and those who don't.
The ones who develop myocarditis have spike proteins running around free in their system. The ones who don't develop myocarditis don't have free spike proteins.
The presence of free spike proteins may be predictive for myocarditis or a heart attack, or explain a heart attack or myocarditis that has already occurred.
It means the shit they were forcing people to put in their body and calling it a “vaccine” and “safe” might not be that.
More from the authors of the study:
“'The risk of developing severe disease from acute infection significantly outweighs this rare risk,' stated Lael Yonker, pediatric pulmonary medicine specialist at Mass General for Children, and first author of the study. 'While this finding helps us better understand this potential complication, it does not alter the risk benefit ratio of receiving the COVID vaccines. The incidence of myocarditis and other heart-related complications among children infected with SARS-CoV-2 is much higher than the risk of post-vaccination myocarditis.'”
"The authors also noted it remains unclear whether the circulating spike protein was the cause of the myocarditis observed in these patients. Rare cases of myocarditis can occur after receiving vaccines for other conditions such as smallpox, so the spike protein could have been a biomarker of underlying immune dysregulation leading to the symptoms."
“'This was a precious sample set because these cases are so rare,' stated co-corresponding author David Walt, professor in the Brigham’s Department of Pathology. 'We studied them in great depth, which led to an interesting finding that could guide treatment strategies to reverse post-vaccine myocarditis.'”
"Previously suggested causes for post-vaccine myocarditis include aberrant immune responses to the vaccine, the production of autoantibodies, or potentially spike protein mimicking self-antigens, leading the immune system to attack heart tissue. Another factor at play is that myocarditis affects young men more than young women, which could be explained with hormonal mechanisms. Nonetheless, Yonker and Walt et al. found circulating spike protein in female patients as much as in male patients."
"The authors acknowledged limitations in their study, with a myocarditis group sample size of just 16. However, given the rarity of these cases, it was to be expected."
"In any case, the study continues to hammer home the point that vaccination for COVID-19 carries much fewer risks than infection by the virus, including for adolescents and young adults."
“'In most cases, post-vaccination myocarditis is mild and self-resolving,' said Yonker. 'But new insights about its cause could further help us to improve patients’ symptoms or prevent this complication from occurring.'”
https://www.insideprecisionmedicine.com/topics/patient-care/coronavirus/rare-covid-19-vaccine-complication-linked-to-circulating-spike-protein-in-blood/
So glad I didn’t get the mRNA bullshit. Despite all the propaganda, something was clearly not right about it all.
The vaccine results in an inflammatory response and essentially equal immunity between those who develop myocarditis and those who don't.
The ones who develop myocarditis have spike proteins running around free in their system. The ones who don't develop myocarditis don't have free spike proteins.
The presence of free spike proteins may be predictive for myocarditis or a heart attack, or explain a heart attack or myocarditis that has already occurred.
Wow, that was a surprisinly coherent response.Buzz kill ...
It means the shit they were forcing people to put in their body and calling it a “vaccine” and “safe” might not be that.
Used improperly, hydrogen dioxide is a major cause of death by suffocation or choking. Yet it's indispensable for life.
Nobody is forced to drink hydrogen peroxide.
So were/are people using the vaccine improperly? I’m not finding the correlation to your response…
Typo. Meant to type dihydrogen monoxide.
I was forced to have a number of vaccinations to attend school.
Probably not experimental gene therapy vaccines that were safety and efficacy tested by the same people who stood to gain billions and billions but ok
But the required vaccines are effective in preventing acquiring the targeted disease.
We don't see measles, mumps etc outbreaks.
The Covid vaccines don't prevent acquiring the disease. We were told it would.
The Covid vaccines don't prevent transmission of the disease. We were told it would.
The Covid vaccines can, however, moderate the severity of symptoms.
And we were told a never found pangolin was responsible for everything.
Thanks, Trump!Maybe we should thank Obama. He's the one who forced Fauci to outsource his gain of function work to those nice people over in Wuhan.
The primary function of the vaccine was to lessen the effects of Covid, not outright protect you from getting it. It was meant to keep people out of the hospital and from dying. By and large, it worked.Lol. We were told the vaccine would stop you from getting Covid and you wouldn't give Covid to Grandma. The vaccine was going to stop Covid dead in it's tracks.
Maybe we should thank Obama. He's the one who forced Fauci to outsource his gain of function work to those nice people over in Wuhan.
Hmmmm. Maybe Obama would have had them develop an actual vaccine too!The vaccine they use in China ?
Lol. We were told the vaccine would stop you from getting Covid and you wouldn't give Covid to Grandma. The vaccine was going to stop Covid dead in it's tracks.
I’m pretty sure that was never the narrative.
I feel like a big chunk of America has the Mandela Effect over this. Of course it was the narrative. Until it wasn’t.
Lol. We were told the vaccine would stop you from getting Covid and you wouldn't give Covid to Grandma. The vaccine was going to stop Covid dead in it's tracks.
Provide me a credible source predated to Jan 2021 that says the vaccines promise to be 100% effective in preventing Covid. I’ll wait.
I’m pretty sure that was never the narrative.
Responding to our two resident COVID-19 bunkum specialists, MN and Custard, is like doing "damage control on a constant hamster wheel."
Our own president was saying it as late as July, 2021.
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-2021-video-saying-vaccinations-prevent-covid-resurfaces-1726900
Not from senile Joe Malaprop Biden. Doctors.
There are a million examples, not our problem you're too stupid to bother to look anything up that doesn't fit your CNN+ programmed brain
Our own president was saying it as late as July, 2021.
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-2021-video-saying-vaccinations-prevent-covid-resurfaces-1726900
Boom goes the dynamite
Responding to our two resident COVID-19 bunkum specialists, MN and Custard, is like doing "damage control on a constant hamster wheel."
The vaccine they use in China ?
I see Alum74 shares the Mandela Effect as well.
Nov 2022 from Dr. Ashish Jha, the Covid-19 Response Coordinator ...
""If folks get their updated vaccines and they get treated if they have a breakthrough infection, we can prevent essentially every COVID death in America," he said. "That is a remarkable fact."
Over half of recent Covid deaths have been in the vaccinated.
Got a link? Gonna need to see a bit more corroboration.
Do you have a source on that?
Source?
A source. I need a source.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.
"Dr. Barney Graham, deputy director of the Vaccine Research Center at the NIAID and one of the developers of the Moderna vaccine, told me: The country will no longer be split into vaccinated and unvaccinated; it will simply be split into vaccinated and infected."
https://localnews8.com/health/cnn-health/2021/07/14/dr-sanjay-gupta-the-importance-of-being-vaccinated/
Can you give me a snapshot or at least tell me about where to scroll to? I don’t want to read for 6 minutes to find it.It's after this, from the CDC Director Dr. Walensky ...
Can you give me a snapshot or at least tell me about where to scroll to? I don’t want to read for 6 minutes to find it.
Nov 2022 from Dr. Ashish Jha, the Covid-19 Response Coordinator ...
""If folks get their updated vaccines and they get treated if they have a breakthrough infection, we can prevent essentially every COVID death in America," he said. "That is a remarkable fact."
Over half of recent Covid deaths have been in the vaccinated.
"What explains the rising share of COVID-19 deaths among vaccinated people?"
"There are several factors at play here, including a rising share of the population that is vaccinated, waning immune protection and low uptake of boosters, and changes in immunity among the unvaccinated. New variants combined with a reduction in masking and other non-pharmaceutical interventions may also lead to more transmission, which can in turn lead to more deaths."
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/why-do-vaccinated-people-represent-most-covid-19-deaths-right-now/
Makes sense to me.
It's after this, from the CDC Director Dr. Walensky ...
"CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky called any suffering or death from Covid-19 “tragic,” and noted that available vaccines mean that “the suffering and loss we are now seeing is nearly entirely avoidable.”
It's right above the section highlighted with....How to unstick the stck vax rate.
The part that quotes the Dr who works for the NIAID and helped in development of the Moderna vaccine.
I got vaccinated, and boosted 2x
Never got COVID.
QED
Oh Jesus he gave you a link AND credible source and you still ask for this!!!!
“Suffering and death near entirely avoidable” isn’t “stopped in its tracks (i.e. 100% effective against infection).”"stopped in it's tracks" was before you said the statement had to be from an MD.
"stopped in it's tracks" was before you said the statement had to be from an MD.
But "death nearly entirely avoidable" from the good Dr. at the CDC is probably about as close as you'll get from a Dr.
And the same for "prevent essentially every Covid death in America" from the good Dr Jha, the Covid 19 Response Coordinator.
"stopped in it's tracks" was before you said the statement had to be from an MD.
But "death nearly entirely avoidable" from the good Dr. at the CDC is probably about as close as you'll get from a Dr.
And the same for "prevent essentially every Covid death in America" from the good Dr Jha, the Covid 19 Response Coordinator.
Not from senile Joe Malaprop Biden. Doctors.
Something from infectious disease control doctors (like a good chunk of them) would be even better. I’m confident you won’t find it.Would 3-5 docs be enough ? Fauci, the CDC Director and the Covid 19 Response Director would be the spokespeople.
Would 3-5 docs be enough ? Fauci, the CDC Director and the Covid 19 Response Director would be the spokespeople.
From Fauci ...
“When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community,” Fauci said. “In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere.
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-vaccinated-people-become-dead-ends-for-the-coronavirus/
Would 3-5 docs be enough ? Fauci, the CDC Director and the Covid 19 Response Director would be the spokespeople.
From Fauci ...
“When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community,” Fauci said. “In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere.
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-vaccinated-people-become-dead-ends-for-the-coronavirus/
Would 3-5 docs be enough ? Fauci, the CDC Director and the Covid 19 Response Director would be the spokespeople.
From Fauci ...
“When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community,” Fauci said. “In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere.
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-vaccinated-people-become-dead-ends-for-the-coronavirus/
As we know, that didn't happen.
Saw some USA Today article come across my The Google feed, yeah, I know, that said everyone is going to get this x188 whatever it is variant and the people who have not had The COVID yet, which would include The PADouchebag, better watch out since no one masks up anymore, etc. Yeah, that's a long run one sentence. Google the article yourselves....
Jim Fixx died of a heart attack. Doesn't mean exercise is bad.
I’ll admit that Fauci and some others were a bit mealy mouthed about some things, and exaggerated maybe some others; but I’m fairly certain the narrative was never that the vaccine was going to be 100% effective all the around around. You wingnuts saw a handful of people still getting infected, occasionally dying and ran with it. Like always.And I started with what the mealy mouthed ones were exaggerating about.
“Ermagherd what about the transvestites in bathrooms pandemic!”
And I started with what the mealy mouthed ones were exaggerating about.
You come back with what they should have been saying all along.
I give you some of the mealy mouth exaggerations you asked for, and I'm a wingnut.
Uh, ok.
Would 3-5 docs be enough ? Fauci, the CDC Director and the Covid 19 Response Director would be the spokespeople.
From Fauci ...
“When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community,” Fauci said. “In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere.
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-vaccinated-people-become-dead-ends-for-the-coronavirus/
AND Fauci changed his opinion two months later when CDC had a better understanding of the transmissibility of the delta variant. Here’s several excerpts from his interview with NPR.What Tempo said.
AILSA CHANG, HOST:
“Informing this week's changes was an alarming internal slide deck from the CDC. These slides surfaced publicly last night, indicating that the delta variant is as contagious and as easily spreadable as the chicken pox, even by fully vaccinated people. The CDC slideshow summed up the fight against the coronavirus with these four words - the war has changed. And to help us understand this continually evolving situation, Dr. Anthony Fauci joins us again.’”
ANTHONY FAUCI:
“’…we had a considerable number of individuals who were there [Provincetown] who were vaccinated who got infected. And clearly, they were transmitting the infection among themselves. So when you have a vaccinated person who gets infected previously, prior to the delta variant, a vaccinated person generally has a level of virus in their nasal pharynx considerably lower than an unvaccinated person. So that would make it unlikely that a vaccinated person who had a breakthrough infection would transmit the virus to someone else.’”
“’The fact that you have a high level of virus in the nasal pharynx of an infected person who has a breakthrough, namely was vaccinated but had a breakthrough infection, and is now capable of transmitting that infection to an uninfected person, that is the thing that is a bit alarming in the sense of triggering the change in the guidelines that the CDC has put forth regarding vaccinated people and the wearing of masks in indoor settings geographically when you're in a high-risk area.”
“’What we did know was how transmissible the virus was among unvaccinated people. So it was very clear that when you compared the delta variant with, for example, the alpha variant, it was clearly considerably more transmissible. The new data show that it is so transmissible that even a vaccinated person who has a breakthrough infection can now transmit it. That is the new data. There's a difference between knowing that it's transmissible in general versus it's also transmissible when you have a breakthrough infection of a vaccinated person.’”
“’I think the simplest way to get people to understand is that we are dealing with a different virus. The delta virus has characteristics that's different than the alpha variant and other variants we've dealt with. So when someone says the war has changed, what it really means, the virus has changed, and we have got to keep up in our understanding and what our policies are related to the fact that we're dealing now with a more formidable virus.'”
“’Having said that, the solution to all of this is to get as many people vaccinated as we possibly can. I think the thing that gets lost in the recent messaging about delta and transmission and things like that is that vaccinated people are quite protected. There are some breakthrough infections, no doubt about that, that you expect. But the vaccines are very effective in protecting you and extremely effective in protecting you against severe disease.’”
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/30/1022909501/dr-anthony-fauci-talks-about-alarming-new-data-on-breakthrough-infections
They still reduced the risk.
Approximately how many cases of fully vaccinated people becoming infected and contagious?
More than one. Checkmate, Fauci
People who quit smoking, drink sensibly, eat right, and exercise regularly still get cardiovascular disease. Might as well chain smoke, suck down beers, snarf salty trans-fats, and be a lazy couch potato.
Just hoping The COVID does not smell like Jack Daniels, as that is all I smell right now after going to a packed show at FitzGerald's last night.Were you there with Oneyearcontract ? You didn't mention hookers tho.
I’ve posted this probably a half dozen various times here. It’s from February 2020. Always a good read when we go about shifting the goal posts about what was known and unknown and who was exaggerating.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/
FFS the entire article is important
I read it, Custard.
It didn't hurt a bit. ;D
You’re probably retired and near death.You're half right, but neither one is applicable.
FFS the entire article is important
You're half right, but neither one is applicable.
You have a lot of time on your hands. We can tell by your activation of 4 mults and constant posting about the Bear draft and budding superstar Wingback....oh wait, that is not you.... :oBut I do know the Bear OL gave up a sack yesterday. A as in 1.
But I do know the Bear OL gave up a sack yesterday. A as in 1.
But I do know the Bear OL gave up a sack yesterday. A as in 1.
Maybe you can break it up into 140 character increments for Tempo.
You have a lot of time on your hands. We can tell by your activation of 4 mults and constant posting about the Bear draft and budding superstar Wingback....oh wait, that is not you.... :o
They upped it to 280 like 5 years ago, Gramps.
That was about 1 below their average. With back ups playing most of the game. Way to diagnose the problem, though.Lemme see here. 58 divided by 17 is just about 2.
I am thinking 140 is still your limit.
Lemme see here. 58 divided by 17 is just about 2.
Lemme see here. 58 divided by 17 is just about 2.
Right. 2 is 1 more than 1. Yuz is gud at math.
Hilarious
And it just got better.
I was talking about the Vikings sack total genius. They have 38 sacks on the year. Slightly more than 2 a game.
That was about 1 below their average. With back ups playing most of the game. Way to diagnose the problem, though.
Maybe I didn’t express myself clearly, but I was referring to the Vikings sack average. And they were playing backups much of the game as well. I think the Bears starters played on the O line.
So Fields could have gotten the "live experiences" that he needs against the Viking second team.
Sure. Could have also guaranteed he’d go into off-season healthy. Why would you want him playing against preseason competition? He’s 23. Plenty of time for more reps. Missing 30 snaps against the Vikings won’t be the difference between him being the same or better next year.
Take it to one of your 400 Bears threads FFS
Your fellow anti-vaxxer mentioned the Bears first.I'm not sure ThePAMan is an anti-vaxxer.
I'm not sure ThePAMan is an anti-vaxxer.
I'm not sure ThePAMan is an anti-vaxxer.
Vaxxed and boosted.You brought up the Bear. You're not an anti-vaxxer that I know of.
Let's get the context.
I brought up Tempo having time to post nonstop about the Bear, and using mults, but not having time to read an article.
You brought up the Bear. You're not an anti-vaxxer that I know of.
I replied, and I've asked for something that I've said anti-vaxx. 🤷♂️
Lol. We were told the vaccine would stop you from getting Covid and you wouldn't give Covid to Grandma. The vaccine was going to stop Covid dead in it's tracks.
But the required vaccines are effective in preventing acquiring the targeted disease.
We don't see measles, mumps etc outbreaks.
The Covid vaccines don't prevent acquiring the disease. We were told it would.
The Covid vaccines don't prevent transmission of the disease. We were told it would.
The Covid vaccines can, however, moderate the severity of symptoms.
And we were told a never found pangolin was responsible for everything.
Have you not been sharing, or posting about the vaccine being problematic? If not, my bad.ffs
So you’re straddling the fence. Fair enough.Not being pro-vaxx as you say, and straddling the fence as you say are not synonymous with anti-vaxx.
ffs
Well it could always depend on what “said” vaccine is, no?! Just because you don’t think the COVID vaxx is good doesn’t mean you don’t think others are or aren’t…correct?!
Is it really that “nutty” or extreme to be cautious and curious regarding the COVID vaccine?!
It’s also no coincidence that 99.5% of the people skeptical of the vaccine think Covid was “way overblown” as well.
The Venn Diagram of “Covid is way overblown” and “Anti-Covid vaccine”And wtf do either of these have to do with your saying, without any knowledge, that a person who has passed away likely died of covid, and it was fitting; or that I'm anti-vaxx ?
Is basically a singular circle.
Always possible that I’m wrong. But not hard to draw a line from “Hospitalized with Covid” to “dead 6 weeks later.”How about the link to "hospitalized with covid"
I fairly certain Covid vaccines also substantially reduce the risks of acquiring and transmitting the virus.
Can we go back to talking about Bears?
https://www.ebar.com/story.php?305584
Well it could always depend on what “said” vaccine is, no?! Just because you don’t think the COVID vaxx is good doesn’t mean you don’t think others are or aren’t…correct?!
Is it really that “nutty” or extreme to be cautious and curious regarding the COVID vaccine?!
Well it could always depend on what “said” vaccine is, no?! Just because you don’t think the COVID vaxx is good doesn’t mean you don’t think others are or aren’t…correct?!
Is it really that “nutty” or extreme to be cautious and curious regarding the COVID vaccine?!
It's nutty to be that cautious about the COVID vaccine yet drink Coca-Cola, eat factory farmed meat, drive motor vehicles at 80+ MPH or in snowy weather, smoke cigarettes, etc....
The latter is why poorly ventilated places where people congregate like restaurants, taverns, and churches were often closed; while roomy or in and out places like Walmart or liquor stores remained open with masks required.
It's nutty to be that cautious about the COVID vaccine yet drink Coca-Cola, eat factory farmed meat, drive motor vehicles at 80+ MPH or in snowy weather, smoke cigarettes, etc....
But riding a bike alongside a road is safe, as it is eco friendly! Got it!
But riding a bike alongside a road is safe, as it is eco friendly! Got it!
e.g. maybe if Diamond rode a bike she would have broken a bone or two but she'd be alive
wow you really are a gullible fucking moron aren't you?
Riding a bike saves you money and burns fat. Car costs you money and makes you fat. QED.
Riding a bike and not stopping for stop signs gets German architects flattened.
Just turn all intersections into roundabouts. Problem solved.
https://www.flyingpenguin.com/?p=39571
Riding a bike and not stopping for stop signs gets German architects flattened.
Right. Just ask Dwayne Haskins… oh wait, never mind.
If he'd been driving he would have probably killed half a dozen others.
Doubt it, but whatever gets you through the day.
You prefer people who can't see stop signs to drive? That won't get you through the day
You really think he didn't see the Stop sign? Seems to me he was a typical cyclist who just ignored the Stop sign.
Why would putting him in a car change that?
Car drivers do rolling stops and fear a ticket.
Car drivers do rolling stops and fear a ticket. When is the last time a bicycle ass (redundant, I know) has received a ticket for not obeying a stop sign?
This is Tempo level posting from you.
Car drivers do rolling stops and fear a ticket. When is the last time a bicycle ass (redundant, I know) has received a ticket for not obeying a stop sign?
This is Tempo level posting from you.
https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1613170263390134273
"the science is clear" -GW Bush
There's never a police officer around when you want one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpRfUh1Dzlw&t=46s
Derp.
There's never a police officer around when you want one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpRfUh1Dzlw&t=46s
Well, it is.
Derpity derp!
There is a reason "Tempoing" is a verb here.
Camera tickets?! That’s about the most Nazi-ish thing I’ve ever heard of or seen in my life.
It stems from multiple back to back posts. So you don’t understand the meaning of the word, and it’s origin.
It includes that, Strawmanism, moving goal posts, ignoring questions you demanding others answer yours, tangentialism, among other things.
Yeah; I’m still waiting for you guys to pepper me with all these “unanswered questions” that never came.
Classic Tempoing
Clear rolling stops. Unlike German architects, and others, on bikes!
Clear rolling stops. Unlike German architects, and others, on bikes!
Clearly illegal, you say?
Welcome to the coronavirus cycling fields thread.
Coronavirus cycling practicum thread.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-deadly-were-the-covid-lockdowns-excess-deaths-alcohol-heart-disease-accidents-life-youth-11673440091Just like red meat at the grocery store, it's paywalled.
How Deadly Were the Covid Lockdowns?
For Americans under 45, there were more excess deaths without the virus in 2020-21 than with it.
Red meat for Custard and Mn!
Just like red meat at the grocery store, it's paywalled.
Something to be said that you will only read news that's free. You get what you pay for.
Usually people who make you pay for “news” tend to have an agenda. Hence the payment part of that equation. Follow the money, per se.
Are you really this fucking ignorant?!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-deadly-were-the-covid-lockdowns-excess-deaths-alcohol-heart-disease-accidents-life-youth-11673440091
How Deadly Were the Covid Lockdowns?
For Americans under 45, there were more excess deaths without the virus in 2020-21 than with it.
Red meat for Custard and Mn!
Mn, short version: younger people spent the lockdowns getting drunk, high, and eating too much and too much sugar and it killed more of them than one would usually expect. And they are still doing it.
Mn, short version: younger people spent the lockdowns getting drunk, high, and eating too much and too much sugar and it killed more of them than one would usually expect. And they are still doing it.
From Nov 2022 ....
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https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/sweden-has-the-lowest-excess-mortality-rate-after-the-pandemic-despite-refusing-to-lock-down/news-story/df50001366bb09b6a20421520cbfbf53
That agenda is making money selling news. As opposed to making money controlling people by giving them free content designed to manipulate them
From Nov 2022 ....
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https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/sweden-has-the-lowest-excess-mortality-rate-after-the-pandemic-despite-refusing-to-lock-down/news-story/df50001366bb09b6a20421520cbfbf53
The agenda is what the corporate masters decide it is.
I wouldn't call the Swedish approach to COVID-19 a “no-lockdowns, no school closures, no masking” strategy.And from your link ...
“As the number of cases surged, some restrictions were imposed. Public events were limited to a maximum of 50 people in March 2020, and eight people in November 2020. Visits to nursing homes were banned and upper secondary schools closed. Primary schools did, however, remain open throughout the pandemic.”
The majority of Swedes also were inclined to follow public health recommendations.
“In a survey by Sweden’s Public Health Agency from the spring of 2020, more than 80% of Swedes reported they had adjusted their behaviour, for example by practising social distancing, avoiding crowds and public transport, and working from home. Aggregated mobile data confirmed that Swedes reduced their travel and mobility during the pandemic.”
Finally, the public health authorities largely failed in their goal to protect the elderly.
https://www.preventionweb.net/news/did-swedens-controversial-covid-strategy-pay-many-ways-it-did-it-let-elderly-down
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-deadly-were-the-covid-lockdowns-excess-deaths-alcohol-heart-disease-accidents-life-youth-11673440091And Francis Collins wanted the Great Barrington Declaration taken down.
How Deadly Were the Covid Lockdowns?
For Americans under 45, there were more excess deaths without the virus in 2020-21 than with it.
Red meat for Custard and Mn!
Around here, the authorities refused to enforce "Prickster's" mandates. Yet the majority of restaurants, taverns, and churches complied anyway. Grocery, big box, and convenient stores posted mask requirements, but compliance was voluntary. I rarely saw anyone without a mask. Hospital, Dr. Offices, etc strictly enforced masks. I never saw anyone object.
Go figure. It's not about lockdowns. It's about how stupid your population is. Tracks with Sweden vs US, tracks with Democratic regions vs GOP regions in the US.
Bicyclists vs Unicyclists?
Californians vs the unwashed masses. But you'll have better weather for the Bears playoff game this weekend than the Niners, for sure.
LOL. Hopefully it is 9er Weather out there!
Guess the Bears were not AOTC on the Brock Purdy pick
Tempo Signal has been lit
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11633619/U-S-says-Pfizers-bivalent-COVID-shot-linked-stroke-older-adults.htmlYou are aware that this is how you get labeled an "anti-vaxxer" ?
CDC and FDA say they're investigating possible link between Pfizer's bivalent Covid booster and strokes in seniors over age of 65 - but officials have 'no concerns at this time'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11633619/U-S-says-Pfizers-bivalent-COVID-shot-linked-stroke-older-adults.html
CDC and FDA say they're investigating possible link between Pfizer's bivalent Covid booster and strokes in seniors over age of 65 - but officials have 'no concerns at this time'
You are aware that this is how you get labeled an "anti-vaxxer" ?
You are aware that this is how you get labeled an "anti-vaxxer" ?
I am sure RandomAntiVaxxerMan is forthcoming from the people that brought you DoctorintheFlat, RandomLogicMan, et al.
TBH I must come clean and admit i hate the Niners - they have the most obnoxious fans bar none - and will silently backing Seattle. Sure is Seattle like weather but I think when you have Kittle and McCaffery, this will be just fine.
Guess the Bears were not AOTC on the Brock Purdy pick
Highly unlikely they are worse than Chiefs, Packers, or Raiders fans.
Highly unlikely they are worse than Chiefs, Packers, or Raiders fans.
Or JFC Fanatics.
Seriously. When did you become such a shit poster? Ankle biting should be beneath you.
Love the lack of irony or self awareness! Congrats.
You used to love my posting, and give me encouragement. Then you got all sensitive and became an ankle biter.
Then you joined the JFC Cult. Now, no topic is safe from the inclusion of JFC talk, no matter how tangential!
It is kinda funny that PAMan went out of his way to lure Tempo back to the board only to argue with him incessantly. Stuff like this is what makes HQ so special.
https://theintercept.com/2023/01/16/twitter-covid-vaccine-pharma/
COVID-19 DRUGMAKERS PRESSURED TWITTER TO CENSOR ACTIVISTS PUSHING FOR GENERIC VACCINE
The social media pressure campaign was just a part of the pharmaceutical industry’s successful lobbying blitz to retain patents — and make record profits.
Private industry is more effective than the government in censoring The Twitter?
"The Biden administration is fighting to maintain a federal mask mandate for air travel and other methods of transportation even after President Biden said months ago the pandemic is “over,” and despite calls from travel associations to end mask mandates.
The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals will hear arguments on Tuesday from the Biden Justice Department on behalf of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) to reinstate a mask mandate for air travel, after a federal judge in Florida struck down the mandate last April."
https://wfin.com/fox-political-news/doj-defending-mask-mandate-on-planes-months-after-biden-said-pandemic-is-over/
I believe the arguments were heard yesterday.
I would think Sleepy Joe is not fighting to reinstate the mask mandate immediately, but to have the power to do so in the future as needs arise.The lawyers were probably transparent in their arguments. :o
Well, Mn, who are we supposed to hate here for manufacturing tainted cancer drugs to be used by kids?Whoever deserves it. And bankrupt them and send them to do volunteer work in a kid's cancer center in some very poor country for a few years.
https://www.statnews.com/2023/01/25/children-cancer-asparaginase-chemotherapy-brazil/
hmmm wonder why the msm is burying this story 🤐
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywlpArNWKxM
Good thing we have you watching The YouTube for us.
hmmm wonder why the msm is burying this story 🤐It looks as tho he got his license to "practice" medicine in 2018.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywlpArNWKxM
;D ;D
I remember when all you libtards and Jon Stewart loved project veritas
hmmm wonder why the msm is burying this story 🤐Are you going to do the follow-up ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywlpArNWKxM
"A Project Veritas video with what alleges is a Pfizer employee, includes a conversation about the possibility of mutating COVID, in order to preemptively create vaccines for strains that may occur naturally.""but we do these selected structure mutations to try to see if we can make them more potent."
https://www.newsweek.com/project-veritas-covid-mutations-pfizer-fact-check-1776845
This makes sense. Find ways to anticipate variants before they occur in nature:Tho there should probably be some discussion of making a vaccine more potent with respect to the possibility of unintended consequences I'm not sure 'they don't want us to do this' would be a hurdle.
"We're exploring, like, you know how the virus keeps mutating? Well, one of the things we're exploring is like, why don't we just mutate it ourselves, so we could focus on, create, preemptively develop new vaccines, right?"
There is no context for this:
"We're not supposed to do gain-of-function with the viruses. They'd rather we not but we do these selected structure mutations to try to see if we can make them more potent"
Make what more potent? The virus or the vaccines?
When was that?
Does anyone honestly believe Big Pharma is deliberately infecting the public with bioengineered coronavirus variants, or plans to do so on the future, so they can keep selling us updated vaccines?Did anyone think millions of deaths would be attributed to a virus with no evidence of existence before the fall of 2019 ?
Does anyone believe they are doing studies to anticipate future natural variants before they occur, so they can preemptively develop vaccines and other treatments?
Does anyone trust either Pfizer or Project Veritas?
I echo this.
Did anyone think millions of deaths would be attributed to a virus with no evidence of existence before the fall of 2019 ?
https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-seemingly-predicted-the-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-3
Does anyone honestly believe Big Pharma is deliberately infecting the public with bioengineered coronavirus variants, or plans to do so on the future, so they can keep selling us updated vaccines?
Does anyone believe they are doing studies to anticipate future natural variants before they occur, so they can preemptively develop vaccines and other treatments?
Does anyone trust either Pfizer or Project Veritas?
I ride bikes with a guy
homotriggered
triggered
An evil part of me hopes the idiots who downplay this get it and die. Then I repent.
So we basically have a disease that spreads very easily w/ a 2-week incubation and will kill a disproportionate part of our at-risk population. While I get it, I'm actually not sure cancelling large public events is the best idea. Part of me thinks we should be encouraging our healthiest people to acquire it early to build herd immunity with the strongest part of the population, but I'm also not an epidemiologist and I'd rather have a 0% chance of dying than a 0.1% chance.
Unfortunately, this is the exact scenario where you don't want someone like Donald Trump in charge, not even b/c of his politics, but b/c his personality prefers gut instinct to forethought and his ego plays a high role in decision-making even as the experts are trying to teach him about exponents.
But while I'm at it, healthcare reliant on insurance and the private sector is not well built to handle these sorts of situations.
Sure there is plenty of room for improvement in our health care system but it’s not as bad as it’s made out to be. Last September I hurt my knee and went to the orthopaedic walk in clinic. Immediately saw a doctor and had x rays done. Came back for a CT scan a few days later, saw doctor immediately. Got a diagnosis and was administered a cortisone shot on the spot. I probably didn’t spend more than an hour total in three visits, got excellent care and lasting relief in a new clean facility, and the bill was under $1000. I feel that type of experience probably wouldn’t happen with socialized medicine.
So another one that agreed with the Great Barrington well before it was announced and blackballed.
Our health care system is actually pretty robust. The shortage of staff was mainly due to years of pressure to run as lean as possible…which was then compounded with overworked staffers who quit…which was further compounded by forcing tens of thousands of professionals out of their careers for refusing the vaccine. Most of whom had been on the front lines from day 1 and had already acquired it at some point and recovered. Meaning they had as good or better protection than the vaccinated. They were already being temp tested daily and wearing PPE, which we were told was effective.
You simply cannot have a health care system that’s all geared up for a pandemic all the time, regardless of its a single payer or not. It’s also insanely idiotic to throttle your own ability to take care of people by shedding the professionals we need to take care of people during the heat of battle.
Then you have the sheer venomous hatred from people on the left that actually bought their leaders’ propaganda that it was “a pandemic of the unvaccinated” which only served to create even more reluctance and skepticism and division.
Sure there is plenty of room for improvement in our health care system but it’s not as bad as it’s made out to be. Last September I hurt my knee and went to the orthopaedic walk in clinic. Immediately saw a doctor and had x rays done. Came back for a CT scan a few days later, saw doctor immediately. Got a diagnosis and was administered a cortisone shot on the spot. I probably didn’t spend more than an hour total in three visits, got excellent care and lasting relief in a new clean facility, and the bill was under $1000. I feel that type of experience probably wouldn’t happen with socialized medicine.
Custard still engaging in fringe scientific theory, I see.
Follow the science
It was all in The Atlantic article I always post. From February 2020. What a fucking sham.It takes some kind of shameless for Fauci to now co-author a study that includes "none of the predominantly mucosal respiratory viruses have ever been effectively controlled by vaccines."
It takes some kind of shameless for Fauci to now co-author a study that includes "none of the predominantly mucosal respiratory viruses have ever been effectively controlled by vaccines."
Yes, the article is technical. The explanation of why smallpox and other vaccines are effective as opposed to the efficacy of a vaccine for a respiratory virus was interesting.Did you read the article in its entirety? Or did you just cherry pick data to support some misplaced right wing agenda?
It is difficult, highly technical reading. In laymen's terms, our bodies have evolved in a certain way to deal with short term, rapidly mutating, respiratory viruses. Basically, rather than developing a central immunity, it deals with the symptoms and rides out the storm. That is oversimplified, but appears to be the gist.
We do not presently have a general vaccine to control the flu per se. That does not mean our annual flu vaccines have no value. Ditto the Covid vaccines..
Meanwhile, they are not giving up. There are multiple promising lines of inquiry with serious obstacles to overcome.
Raise your hand if you thought Fauci had all the answers, particularly in the early days of the pandemic. As the virus evolved, so did his views on the effectiveness of vaccines. The pandemic has been a learning experience for the scientific community. I’m grateful for the current round of vaccines, but realize they protect best against serious illnesses and death. I also realize they don’t provide lasting protection. I think scientists and medical experts will rise to the challenge and develop more durable vaccines in the future.
Sounds like the vaccine was at least effective in reducing hospitalizations and deaths.If only they would have told us the vaccine may help prevent hospitalization and death and not make the other promises, it's quite possible that vaccine acceptance would be higher and perceptions of the NIAID, NIH and CDC would be better.
And, didn't the derided mitigation efforts and vaccine give time for the virus to mutate to become less deadly? Was that was in the Atlantic article in 2020?
If only they would have told us the vaccine may help prevent hospitalization and death and not make the other promises, it's quite possible that vaccine acceptance would be higher and perceptions of the NIAID, NIH and CDC would be better.
But vaccines were mandated to continue employment, to get on a plane, to get a vaccine passport. People were ridiculed, lost their jobs, committed suicide due to economic despair. All for false promises over a vaccine that would prove to be no better than the 14-60% efficacious flu vaccines.
Thanks Trump!From the study co-authored by Fauci ....
Sorry, not sorry about the the snowflakes like Kyrie Irving. Maybe the Chinese vaccine works better? Oops.
From the study co-authored by Fauci ....
"none of the predominantly mucosal respiratory viruses have ever been effectively controlled by vaccines."
Ok. Are you saying the vax is a placebo?Not at all.
Not at all.
The vaccines may help to reduce the chance for hospitalization and death, especially among those with co-morbidities.
For Fauci to co-author a statement that mucosal respiratory viruses have never been effectively controlled by vaccines after saying the Covid vaccines prevent infection, transmission, hospitalization and death is damning.
The guy's been doing virology and epidemiology for 40+ years.
Mn, Alum, thoughts on this?It's paywalled, but is this a preventative option or a treatment option ?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/08/health/covid-drug-eiger-interferon.html
A new drug quashes all coronavirus variants. But regulatory hurdles and a lack of funding make it unlikely to reach the U.S. market anytime soon.
Not at all.
The vaccines may help to reduce the chance for hospitalization and death, especially among those with co-morbidities.
For Fauci to co-author a statement that mucosal respiratory viruses have never been effectively controlled by vaccines after saying the Covid vaccines prevent infection, transmission, hospitalization and death is damning.
The guy's been doing virology and epidemiology for 40+ years.
Are you saying that 'prevent infection, transmission, hospitalization and death" = effectively controlled.The flu shot may help to reduce infection etc. They don't prevent infection etc.
We do know that vaccines have been effective in controlling a number of viral diseases: smallpox, measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis, hib, rotavirus, polio, and so on.
We already knew respiratory viruses have resisted control by vaccines. This is not a new observation or shocking revelation.
The annual flu shots have been beneficial. They have, in the words of the article, been less than optimal. However, they do prevent infection, transmission, hospitalization and death. The same is true of the Covid shots.
The news is the increased understanding of why we don't develop a natural immunity to mucosal respiratory viruses, and possible new approaches to developing next generation vaccines.
The flu shot may help to reduce infection etc. They don't prevent infection etc.
The flu shot is not mandated.
Ray is missing the point. We weren’t told the truth.
Ray is missing the point. We weren’t told the truth.
If only they would have told us the vaccine may help prevent hospitalization and death and not make the other promises, it's quite possible that vaccine acceptance would be higher and perceptions of the NIAID, NIH and CDC would be better.
But vaccines were mandated to continue employment, to get on a plane, to get a vaccine passport. People were ridiculed, lost their jobs, committed suicide due to economic despair. All for false promises over a vaccine that would prove to be no better than the 14-60% efficacious flu vaccines.
They (the manufacturers, media, and the government all the way up to the president) oversold the benefits and capabilities of the vaccine. Capabilities that scientists have known for decades were impossible to achieve against this type of pathogen without some sort of radical new technology. But carry on, leftist propaganda bot. The meme I posted earlier is literally you and Ray.
Mn, Alum, thoughts on this?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/08/health/covid-drug-eiger-interferon.html
A new drug quashes all coronavirus variants. But regulatory hurdles and a lack of funding make it unlikely to reach the U.S. market anytime soon.
The data is there. The people who were in hospitals and morgues after the vaccines came out where the people who didn't get vaccinated. If that's "overselling" please return your diploma, you're an embarrassment to the University
The year is 2023, where the Occupy Wall Street people now defend Big Evil
Corporations to the death.
Would have made a good Twilight Zone episode.
No one here is saying they had no value, and what you said here basically just reinforces what Mn has been saying. They didn’t just say it reduced hospitalizations and deaths, there were TV commercials and radio spots and and social media ads and members of government that told us it did way more than that. Like, absolutely smothered us with it.
Not too long after the period you are describing, the people who were in hospitals and morgues became a lot more vaccinated. But that didn’t get much coverage for some reason.
Not too long after the period you are describing, the people who were in hospitals and morgues became a lot more vaccinated. But that didn’t get much coverage for some reason.
The year is 2023, where the Occupy Wall Street people now defend Big Evil
Corporations to the death.
Would have made a good Twilight Zone episode.
Can you provide a handful of links to those promises? And not just say, one quote or so.
The year is 2023, where the Occupy Wall Street people now defend Big Evil
Corporations to the death.
Would have made a good Twilight Zone episode.
No one here is saying they had no value, and what you said here basically just reinforces what Mn has been saying. They didn’t just say it reduced hospitalizations and deaths, there were TV commercials and radio spots and and social media ads and members of government that told us it did way more than that. Like, absolutely smothered us with it.
Not too long after the period you are describing, the people who were in hospitals and morgues became a lot more vaccinated. But that didn’t get much coverage for some reason.
Most of us have moved on, but our intrepid coronavirus culture warriors, MN and his occasional sidekick Custard, are still fighting the good fight. Taking facts out of context, cherry-picking data, citing garbage in/garbage out studies and revising history.
The recent Fauci et. al scientific article is a nothingburger, except in the right-wing echo-chamber of course.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-mRNA-vaccine-fauci-387418337013.
For those of you who took the vaccines, raise your hand if you thought they would prevent all infections. After the first round of jabs, many of us continued to wear masks in crowded settings to minimize our risk. We also understood the virus would evolve over time. Also, raise your hand if you took the vaccines solely based on a news article or press release quoting Fauci. What MN and Custard seem to ignore is that many people also listened to the advice of their doctors, local infectious disease experts and state public health officals to get a sense of the vaccine's effectiveness.
It's pretty ugly watching MN and Custard lose their minds because Fauci changed his mind about the effectiveness of vaccines based on new evidence as variants, like Omicron, got more contagious. That’s the bedrock of scientific progress; unfortunately, MN and Custard see it as a “gotcha” moment. Take that LIBS!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html
The good news is the vaccines have held up pretty well to protect against the more serious virus symptoms. It’s the same reason I take the flu vaccine every year. I recognize its limitations. Fauci and his co-authors also recognize that we need new approaches to make respiratory virus vaccines more effective. Make sense to me.
Here’s a good roundup of the kind of crap that MN, Custard and their brethren have been throwing against the wall over the past two years in a lame, ongoing attempt to denigrate Fauci.
https://www.science.org/content/article/almost-everything-tucker-carlson-said-about-anthony-fauci-week-was-misleading-or-false
#LivingInFauci’sHeadRentFree
Tucker Carlson said it happened, ergo it did.
I don’t watch Tucker Carlson, I lived it.
Can you provide a handful of links to those promises? And not just say, one quote or so.
More of a Charlie Kirk guy?
Most of us have moved on, but our intrepid coronavirus culture warriors, MN and his occasional sidekick Custard, are still fighting the good fight. Taking facts out of context, cherry-picking data, citing garbage in/garbage out studies and revising history.
The recent Fauci et. al scientific article is a nothingburger, except in the right-wing echo-chamber of course.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-mRNA-vaccine-fauci-387418337013.
For those of you who took the vaccines, raise your hand if you thought they would prevent all infections. After the first round of jabs, many of us continued to wear masks in crowded settings to minimize our risk. We also understood the virus would evolve over time. Also, raise your hand if you took the vaccines solely based on a news article or press release quoting Fauci. What MN and Custard seem to ignore is that many people also listened to the advice of their doctors, local infectious disease experts and state public health officals to get a sense of the vaccine's effectiveness.
It's pretty ugly watching MN and Custard lose their minds because Fauci changed his mind about the effectiveness of vaccines based on new evidence as variants, like Omicron, got more contagious. That’s the bedrock of scientific progress; unfortunately, MN and Custard see it as a “gotcha” moment. Take that LIBS!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html
The good news is the vaccines have held up pretty well to protect against the more serious virus symptoms. It’s the same reason I take the flu vaccine every year. I recognize its limitations. Fauci and his co-authors also recognize that we need new approaches to make respiratory virus vaccines more effective. Make sense to me.
Here’s a good roundup of the kind of crap that MN, Custard and their brethren have been throwing against the wall over the past two years in a lame, ongoing attempt to denigrate Fauci.
https://www.science.org/content/article/almost-everything-tucker-carlson-said-about-anthony-fauci-week-was-misleading-or-false
#LivingInFauci’sHeadRentFree
You won’t even accept a completely blatant one from our own sitting president who made the proclamation on national television in the summer of 2021 when the vaccine machine was in full force. So what the fuck is anyone ever going to do to change your mind? You just dismiss it anyways and go on believing whatever it is you believe.
It’s not just this thread, it’s every thread. You’re the most hard headed mule that I’ve ever come across on an Illini forum. All the arrogance of being right without any of the burden of ever having to stand corrected.
You won’t even accept a completely blatant one from our own sitting president who made the proclamation on national television in the summer of 2021 when the vaccine machine was in full force. So what the fuck is anyone ever going to do to change your mind? You just dismiss it anyways and go on believing whatever it is you believe.
It’s not just this thread, it’s every thread. You’re the most hard headed mule that I’ve ever come across on an Illini forum. All the arrogance of being right without any of the burden of ever having to stand corrected.
I don’t even know who that is. But I do know you have a list of journalists and personalities that you will not even entertain the idea of listening to. Like how you used to like Matt Tabbai but he said some stuff you didn’t agree with so no he’s dead to you because cognitive dissonance.
I personally don’t give a shit about any of the stuff you said I’m losing my mind over. I’m just stating that they way oversold the capabilities of the vaccines from day one and now you guys all act like that never happened. They definitely promoted the various vaccines as way more of a silver bullet than they were. And infectious disease experts KNEW going in we didn’t have the technology to do what they said it was going to do. Sorry that point is lost on you. Keep drinking the Kool Aid man. Pfizer thanks you for carrying their water.
Matt Taibbi isn’t dead to me. I still see his stuff on Twitter. I’m sure I still follow him. Once I like someone I’m not required to like them for life. Take Kevin Spacey for example. I used to like Lou Dobb’s show until he became a dog whistler to racists. There are numerous examples of people I once liked but now dislike. And there are some people I once disliked I now like. If your opinions aren’t changing, you’re not growing.
Now do Justin Fields
Most of us have moved on, but our intrepid coronavirus culture warriors, MN and his occasional sidekick Custard, are still fighting the good fight. Taking facts out of context, cherry-picking data, citing garbage in/garbage out studies and revising history.Thank you for letting me know that I'm losing my mind. I wasn't aware.
The recent Fauci et. al scientific article is a nothingburger, except in the right-wing echo-chamber of course.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-mRNA-vaccine-fauci-387418337013.
For those of you who took the vaccines, raise your hand if you thought they would prevent all infections. After the first round of jabs, many of us continued to wear masks in crowded settings to minimize our risk. We also understood the virus would evolve over time. Also, raise your hand if you took the vaccines solely based on a news article or press release quoting Fauci. What MN and Custard seem to ignore is that many people also listened to the advice of their doctors, local infectious disease experts and state public health officals to get a sense of the vaccine's effectiveness.
It's pretty ugly watching MN and Custard lose their minds because Fauci changed his mind about the effectiveness of vaccines based on new evidence as variants, like Omicron, got more contagious. That’s the bedrock of scientific progress; unfortunately, MN and Custard see it as a “gotcha” moment. Take that LIBS!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html
The good news is the vaccines have held up pretty well to protect against the more serious virus symptoms. It’s the same reason I take the flu vaccine every year. I recognize its limitations. Fauci and his co-authors also recognize that we need new approaches to make respiratory virus vaccines more effective. Make sense to me.
Here’s a good roundup of the kind of crap that MN, Custard and their brethren have been throwing against the wall over the past two years in a lame, ongoing attempt to denigrate Fauci.
https://www.science.org/content/article/almost-everything-tucker-carlson-said-about-anthony-fauci-week-was-misleading-or-false
#LivingInFauci’sHeadRentFree
I could go on.
Thank you for letting me know that I'm losing my mind.
This is consistent with what Fauci said about cloth masks in private. He never said they don't work. He said they have limits. What he said did not apply at all to surgical or the 95 masks.
And only if the goal posts have stopped moving....
Fauci's email to his colleague which would refer to the masks that essentially everyone ended up wearing. This does not refer to well fitted N95s.
"Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection. The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through the material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you. I do not recommend that you wear a mask,.."
And only if the goal posts have stopped moving....
Fauci's email to his colleague which would refer to the masks that essentially everyone ended up wearing. This does not refer to well fitted N95s.
"Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection. The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through the material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you. I do not recommend that you wear a mask,.."
And only if the goal posts have stopped moving....
I am unclear on the distinction between droplets and aerosols. I previously that some droplets dissolved in the air and became aerosolized. The masks help by blocking most of the droplets before they can become airborne or aerosolized.It's more than just size but aerosols will pass thru a drug store mask and droplets generally won't. Unless they're cheap, porous masks made in China. :D
My understanding is still that a cloth mask serves as an effective barrier for respiratory droplets before they dissolve in the atmosphere and become aerosolized. That is consistent with what Fauci said about cloth masks and asymptomatic persons spreading Covid.I would say that tho the virus is a certain size, the size of the droplet that carries it is the issue. A micro droplet would be considered as aerosol and can remain airborne whereas a droplet would be one that falls to the floor within a few feet due to it's weight.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/millions-of-us-workers-are-still-missing-after-the-pandemic-where-did-they-go/ar-AA17SSGZ
None of the alleged experts have an answer. I am sure we can come up with one here.
Trump deported them?! 🤔
*some how, some way Murph will say this and Alum will miraculously come up with links to post…
Ironically, isn't there an argument that allowing more immigration would help with inflation by lowering low skill wages (which have risen the most post-pandemic)?
Sure if they don't need to eat or live anywhere or buy anything
Their cost of living is low. They eat beans, rice, and chilies; and multiple families can live in the same house. Plus, they supplement their income running drugs and guns. /s
Sure if they don't need to eat or live anywhere or buy anything
It looks like those that dared questioned the lockdown and vaccine mandates and Fauci and the media spin were prettt much at least partly right on Everything !
smdh.
Birx: 'China has not been transparent' but doesn't mention that China requested the NIH to delete data.
'We were successful in vilifying fringe epidemiologists and conspiracy theorists tho'.
'A lab leak is very plausible......'
'I'm a good scientist.'
'I have a nice smile.'
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/02/28/dr_deborah_birx_lab_leak_origin_of_covid_is_very_plausible_a_good_scientist_is_willing_to_question_their_own_assumptions.html
I don't recall seeing this two years ago. The author's interpretation ation of gain of function is straightforward and fairly easy to understand.I'm not falling for what the author, who has received funding from NIH and NIAID and done work with 1 of the authors of the Proximal Origin of Sars-CoV-2 paper, is saying.
It is giving an organism a new property or enhancing an existing one. This is done a couple ways. One broad, general way appears to be the same as artificial selection -- natural selection aided by humans. The other is via genetic manipulation -- specifically recombinant DNA.
This is not limited to viruses. Domesticated crops and animals were developed through artificial selection; GMO foods via genetic manipulation.
The author said GoF research on viruses usually does not mean making them more virulent or infectious.
The author also said Fauci was wrong, but did not lie. I think that is an important point. These days, when people disagree, they tend call one another liars.
https://www.virology.ws/2021/09/09/gain-of-function-explained/
Mn, who were these people working for? (Or who are they working for?)
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715
The Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan was the early epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic
Same with these guys...
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8337
The molecular epidemiology of multiple zoonotic origins of SARS-CoV-2
Here is another article from late 2021 on the same topic. The author, who might have gotten funded, notes that, in the broad sense, artificial selection can be called gain of function.I will say that this article is fairly well written and balanced.
However, the controversy was about what it means in the context of researching pathogens via recombinant dna. Obviously, nobody intended to ban all forms of gain of function, just potentially dangerous research.
Did NIH fund banned GoF, and could this have created the virus that caused Covid?
https://www.asbmb.org/asbmb-today/policy/112121/gain-of-function-research-all-in-the-eye-of-the-be
I will say that this article is fairly well written and balanced.
The consensus appears to be that no one can define what GoF is.
Daszak was required to report results of his work that may affect the grant funding during the grant period. He didn't.
"According to the grant's stipulations, the researchers at that point should have ceased the experiments."
They didn't bother to report it for what ? 2 years ?
"And some pointed to the work of Ralph Baric, a virologist at the University of North Carolina, who pioneered the experimental techniques used in Wuhan."
And after we could no longer do the work in this country, the U.S. biotechnology went to a lab in China that offers no transparency and had U.S. State Dept safety concerns and apparently ties to the Chinese military.
The same lab requested NIH to delete data files. NIH obliged.
As the author says "And some pointed to the work of Ralph Baric, a virologist at the University of North Carolina, who pioneered the experimental techniques used in Wuhan."
The U.S. biotechnology going to an unsafe and non-transparent lab doing work in a BSL2 lab in a communist country that has caused millions of deaths, untold economic damage and untold personal damages is the issue.
The U.S. biotechnology going to an unsafe and non-transparent lab doing work in a BSL2 lab in a communist country that has caused millions of deaths, untold economic damage and untold personal damages is the issue.
This all sounds pretty awful for a virus we should not be afraid of, that we should not close down any businesses or schools for, that mean we should socially distance or wear masks, or take a vaccine for.
Good to see the snow has not dampened your enthusiasm in this regard.
Mn, who were these people working for? (Or who are they working for?)
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715
The Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan was the early epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic
Same with these guys...I do see Michael Worobey and Kristian Andersen listed as authors in both. As well as Garry, Holmes and Rambaut. That would be 4 of the 5 Proximal Origin piece authors.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8337
The molecular epidemiology of multiple zoonotic origins of SARS-CoV-2
I don't recall seeing this two years ago. The author's interpretation ation of gain of function is straightforward and fairly easy to understand.This article may better explain the disagreement with Racaniello's "I want readers to understand that the goals of GoF research are laudable, and only a small subset has the potential to harm humans."
It is giving an organism a new property or enhancing an existing one. This is done a couple ways. One broad, general way appears to be the same as artificial selection -- natural selection aided by humans. The other is via genetic manipulation -- specifically recombinant DNA.
This is not limited to viruses. Domesticated crops and animals were developed through artificial selection; GMO foods via genetic manipulation.
The author said GoF research on viruses usually does not mean making them more virulent or infectious.
The author also said Fauci was wrong, but did not lie. I think that is an important point. These days, when people disagree, they tend call one another liars.
https://www.virology.ws/2021/09/09/gain-of-function-explained/
Mn, maybe the Wuhan lab was behind this too! It is raining worms in China!Earthworms are an invasive species.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/residents-china-told-use-umbrellas-29403844
Mn, happy third anniversary of the pandemic designation!After the House voted 419-0 to direct the ODNI to declassify documents, Hawley wrote to Xi ...
Mn! Per the failing NYT!Lol. Don't they they mean a raccoon dog ? I'll probably get to read the juicy tidbits in Sunday's fishwrap.
New data links pandemic’s origins to raccoon dogs at Wuhan market
Genetic samples from the market were recently uploaded to an international database and then removed after scientists asked China about them.
Lol. Don't they they mean a raccoon dog ? I'll probably get to read the juicy tidbits in Sunday's fishwrap.
Make sure you have a beer today to honor the authors, including the ones who weren't attributed, and to celebrate the 3 year anniversary of the publication of Proximal Origins.
🍻
Will do. Was just plotting a public transportation route for the 1045am meet up.Is Uber boycotting you ?
Is Uber boycotting you ?
It appears Tempo called me out to the Uber CEO on The Twitter.Don't be a goal post mover, dimwit.
Don't be a goal post mover, dimwit.
Can PASon get an unsuspecting Uber driver to pick you up ?
Actually would be nice if PassiveSon or AggressiveSon got up to give me a ride. I remember those days when I could sleep until noon. {Shakes fist at clouds}You could wake them up. Just don't hurt their feelings.
You could wake them up. Just don't hurt their feelings.
Mn! Per the failing NYT!🤣🤣
New data links pandemic’s origins to raccoon dogs at Wuhan market
Genetic samples from the market were recently uploaded to an international database and then removed after scientists asked China about them.
🤣🤣
"An international team — which included Michael Worobey, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Arizona; Kristian Andersen, a virologist at the Scripps Research Institute in California; and Edward Holmes, a biologist at the University of Sydney — started mining the new genetic data last week."
And now it's paywalled for me. Shucks.
Done to keep you from unraveling their conspiracy! Bastards!That sentence alone gave me a good laugh tho. I'm glad I didn't have to wait til Sunday's fishwrap.
Mn! Per the failing NYT!
New data links pandemic’s origins to raccoon dogs at Wuhan market
Genetic samples from the market were recently uploaded to an international database and then removed after scientists asked China about them.
Mn! Per the failing NYT!Jon Cohen at Science is on board too.
New data links pandemic’s origins to raccoon dogs at Wuhan market
Genetic samples from the market were recently uploaded to an international database and then removed after scientists asked China about them.
Aha...those sneaky, devilish Chicoms using raccoon dogs as a bioweapons delivery system.
About as fruitless an endeavor as efforting to get Tempo to read a page of text.
Always good to see you posting Alum! Was worried you had left.
Alum, I think he’s nicely trying to say he was afraid you’d died.
Mn! Per the failing NYT!Here's the pre-print that you've been anxiously awaiting. Hot off the presses, dated yesterday.
New data links pandemic’s origins to raccoon dogs at Wuhan market
Genetic samples from the market were recently uploaded to an international database and then removed after scientists asked China about them.
Alum, I think he’s nicely trying to say he was afraid you’d died.
For better or worse, I'm alive.The report, "This report is not intended for publication in a journal." shows animals were present at the market. That's nothing new.
Here's a good breakdown of the recent study:
COVID-origins study links raccoon dogs to Wuhan market: what scientists think
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00827-2
I’m just curious why people have let the origin of the virus become a political football. Why not be open minded and see what is found? And who might have been covering what up?
I’m just curious why people have let the origin of the virus become a political football. Why not be open minded and see what is found? And who might have been covering what up?
I'm curious why people who have decided it was a lab leak think that's a reason not to be vaccinated.
Trump started pushing lab leak/bioweapon nonsense without any evidence--indeed, before any real attempt to figure out where it came from could be conducted. And he started calling it the "China virus" and the "Kung flu."
Looking at evidence that the virus leaked from WIV should be rationally explored. Pushing China as the villain without evidence to deflect from one's own failure is another thing entirely.
BTW, the wet market origin is not exactly a good look for China either, since that is where SARS originated, and they were supposed to crack down on it.
Pretty sure it was always thought to have originated in Wuhan and nothing has changed, don’t really think it was a stretch that Trump called it that, but whatever.
It’s astounding to me that three years later some are still politically inclined to vigorously defend proximal origins simply because Trump called it the Chinese Virus. Pretty incredible how much one raging buffoon lives rent free in a large percentage of the population’s heads, and has shaped their thinking indefinitely.
Who did that?
Pretty sure it was always thought to have originated in Wuhan and nothing has changed, don’t really think it was a stretch that Trump called it that, but whatever.
It’s astounding to me that three years later some are still politically inclined to vigorously defend proximal origins simply because Trump called it the Chinese Virus. Pretty incredible how much one raging buffoon lives rent free in a large percentage of the population’s heads, and has shaped their thinking indefinitely.
Pretty sure it was always thought to have originated in Wuhan and nothing has changed, don’t really think it was a stretch that Trump called it that, but whatever.
It’s astounding to me that three years later some are still politically inclined to vigorously defend proximal origins simply because Trump called it the Chinese Virus. Pretty incredible how much one raging buffoon lives rent free in a large percentage of the population’s heads, and has shaped their thinking indefinitely.
Intellectual dishonesty wrapped in a red herring with a straw man on top.
The problem with "China Virus" and even more clearly "Kung Flu" is that it's just a racist dog whistle. "Oh, but he's accurate, it's a virus, and it originated in China, what's your problem snowflake!" Brutal
Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) | CDC
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/mers
Must have come from the Middle East.
Who banned irony from HQ2?
Pretty sure it was always thought to have originated in Wuhan and nothing has changed, don’t really think it was a stretch that Trump called it that, but whatever.
It’s astounding to me that three years later some are still politically inclined to vigorously defend proximal origins simply because Trump called it the Chinese Virus. Pretty incredible how much one raging buffoon lives rent free in a large percentage of the population’s heads, and has shaped their thinking indefinitely.
HQ2 is the home of the strawest of straw men: Tempo34
You randomly reference me more than JudgeJudy used to. What straw man’s having a constructed? I look forward to seeing this list.
You would not read the 1 or 66 pages of posts with examples anyway, so I won't bother.
About what I thought. Nothing.
You have been doing it before the term straw man was even a thing!
Get a room fellas
I happen to know firsthand that PAMan is jealous of Jeff Frank.
Mn! Per the failing NYT!
New data links pandemic’s origins to raccoon dogs at Wuhan market
Genetic samples from the market were recently uploaded to an international database and then removed after scientists asked China about them.
It'S A cOnSPirAcY tHeORy.
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"The virologists’ access was temporarily restored as GISAID collects more evidence, the GISAID Secretariat said in a statement Thursday.
“The review is not complete,” the statement reads.
Should the ban be reinstated, the scientists would lose access to one of the largest repositories of viral data in the world.
GISAID locked out the virologists as a “last resort” because the entire team — particularly University of Arizona professor Michael Worobey and University of Sydney professor Edward Holmes — ignored requests for clarity from GISAID, according to the statement."
https://usrtk.org/covid-19-origins/raccoon-dogs-ethics-flap/
Talk about a thin skin....WTF?I did notice this when googling a little about your failing NYT article post, but didn't mention it.
It'S A cOnSPirAcY tHeORy.
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"The virologists’ access was temporarily restored as GISAID collects more evidence, the GISAID Secretariat said in a statement Thursday.
“The review is not complete,” the statement reads.
Should the ban be reinstated, the scientists would lose access to one of the largest repositories of viral data in the world.
GISAID locked out the virologists as a “last resort” because the entire team — particularly University of Arizona professor Michael Worobey and University of Sydney professor Edward Holmes — ignored requests for clarity from GISAID, according to the statement."
https://usrtk.org/covid-19-origins/raccoon-dogs-ethics-flap/
I did notice this when googling a little about your failing NYT article post, but didn't mention it.
Funding in part for the "report" came from where ?
"This project has been funded in part with federal
funds from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, National Institutes
of Health (NIH), Department of Health and Human Services (contract no.
75N93021C00015 to M.W.) F.D. received funding from the MODCOV19 platform of the
National Institute of Mathematical Sciences and their Interactions (Insmi, CNRS; 2022).
Who else is going to fund this stuff though?The Atlantic, tNYT, tAP, tABC, tCBS, tNBC et al ?
The Atlantic, tNYT, tAP, tABC, tCBS, tNBC et al ?
If all else fails, there's always tGoFundMe.
Great. Now the price of chocolate will go up 20%.
Great. Now the price of chocolate will go up 20%.
I didn't even get offered a donut when I got my shots. And I went willingly.
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He should pick a name prescription drug, any drug, and do that one. Pharmaceuticals is the place to be.Are you referring to the ones that are FDA approved medications, as opposed to emergency use authorizations ?
Are you referring to the ones that are FDA approved medications, as opposed to emergency use authorizations ?
I didn't even get offered a donut when I got my shots. And I went willingly.
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I find it odd that during commercials for prescription drugs they list the 9 billion side effects, except for the covid related drugs...
That's because you are a moron. The commercials for COVID vaccines were not placed by the drugmaker. If Moderna put out an ad for the vaccine, they would have to comply.
Are you referring to the ones that are FDA approved medications, as opposed to emergency use authorizations ?
I didn't even get offered a donut when I got my shots. And I went willingly.
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well that's a bit odd don't you think?
We were told how dangerous ivermectin and hydrozychloroquine were
We were told how dangerous ivermectin and hydrozychloroquine were
Next they'll tell us drinking urine doesn't work either...Good chance they would be correct about it too, and people wouldn't argue it.
We were told how dangerous ivermectin and hydrozychloroquine were
Ivermectin is potentially dangerous if someone uses a dose intended for use in veterinary medicine.Restrict sales of the veterinary product rather than the human product.
Both are potentially dangerous is that they aren't effective when used off label as either prevention or a treatment for Covid.
Restrict sales of the veterinary product rather than the human product.
Both are relatively safe when taken as prescribed and have been around for decades. They were a couple of the suggestions before the vaccines were available.
Studies were inconclusive.
For those who caught Covid there was no recommended therapy.
The EUA for the vaccines couldn't be approved if there was available therapy. We didn't know if either were/weren't effective and we didn't know what the vaccine uptake would be.
High quality, randomized controlled trials have shown no evidence of a clinical benefit for ivermectin.Cool. Sept of 2022.
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/09/scicheck-clinical-trials-show-ivermectin-does-not-benefit-covid-19-patients-contrary-to-social-media-claims/
Cool. Sept of 2022.
Here’s another more recently published randomized, placebo-controlled study confirming ivermectin doesn’t work for COVID. Expect more like this.83% were double vaccinated in this study.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2801827.
Now when will we be getting the scientific reports on gargling with Clorox and installing interior lighting?
83% were double vaccinated in this study.
What about studies finished before vaccines were available ?
The pandemic had been with us for about a year before vaccines were becoming widely available.
Ventilators were widely used early and poor results reduced their use. I don't remember public health officials saying early that ventilators should not be used because there were no conclusive studies showing effectiveness.
Steroids were used pre-vaccines, with no prior conclusive studies regarding effectiveness.
Azithromycin was an early hope pre-vaccines, but was shown to be ineffective.
The first year of dealing with the Covid pandemic was trial and error.
A major Insurer is offering incentives to their insureds to get vaccinated against Covid? This is utterly shocking. The lengths these bastages will go to keep their clients healthy, reduce claims, and increase profits.
Studies were inconclusive.
Ventilators were widely used early and poor results reduced their use. I don't remember public health officials saying early that ventilators should not be used because there were no conclusive studies showing effectiveness.
The scientific community did come to the consensus that ivermectin should be investigated for treating COVID patients, but they said to do it right with large, double-blind randomized controlled trials. So far it doesn’t look good. The current best evidence shows that ivermectin is unlikely to have a clinically meaningful benefit in the treatment of COVID.
Brass tacks, that consensus was basically "we need to debunk this shit, stat"
It may have felt that way because of the goofballs that were pushing the shit.
The same sort of nut jobs who claimed Covid was a hoax, was caused by a lab leak, the moderna vaccine changes our DNA, the other vaccines are killing people, masks block 02 and hold in CO2 -- but rona virus passes right through ...
What they're saying: Robert Kadlec, the lead author of the report and a former HHS assistant secretary for preparedness and response during the Trump administration, said that there's historical context — including the societal impact of the SARS pandemic — that explains China's motivation to do the high-risk coronavirus research that the report concludes most likely caused the pandemic.
“I think there is a really reasonable logic to what the Chinese might be doing with regard to SARS coronavirus vaccines because they saw the impact SARS had on their country," Kadlec told Axios.
“They had more than enough reason — as we did post 9/11 — to try to do things to protect ourselves.”
Mn!!!!Ahem.
https://www.axios.com/2023/04/17/senate-covid-origins-report-details-lab-leak-theory?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiospm&stream=top
Senate COVID origins report details lab leak theory
Ahem.
3 years ago ......
"A bunch of those little coronaviruses snuck out of that lab in Wuhan, and look where we are now."
You were AOTC... Ahead of the Coronavirus.By at least a step or 2. Haven't had it. Haven't tested.
By at least a step or 2. Haven't had it. Haven't tested.
Something's up if today's fishwrap has a fishwrap version story from the failing NYT before I read about it anywhere else.
It may even be breaking news for ThePAMan.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/23/world/europe/chinese-censorship-covid.html
The fishwrap did not include this picture tho, that should have raised a few eyebrows from inquiring minds in early 2020.
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The Commies are good people who are just misunderstood, Mn.Unlike the RuSsKiEs, for sure.
Unlike the RuSsKiEs, for sure.
They are misundetstood too. Ukraine war just a little territorial dispute.A minor incursion that was to be put to an end post haste with severe economic sanctions.
A minor incursion that was to be put to an end post haste with severe economic sanctions.
Well, the war was supposed to be over quickly and our friends the Chinese and Indians have since seemed to have taken advantage of the situation to fleece the Soviets out of their oil.
The Ukrainians are the Soviets.
To quote 50 cent - I am now "IN DA CLUB!"
Congrats? Symptoms?
Feels like a mild hangover. Given I had only 5 Plinys the night before, I figured there must be something amiss.
Mn!It's a frikkin shameless book promo.
https://www.axios.com/2023/04/25/covid-response-national-incompetence-commission?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top
COVID response exposed "collective national incompetence," commission says
Mn!Who's making the cholera testing kits and working on distribution plans ?
https://www.axios.com/2023/04/25/covid-response-national-incompetence-commission?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top
COVID response exposed "collective national incompetence," commission says
Admittedly, I have not followed the rantings of the far-right re: Fauci. Who can give me the CliffNotes version of why Fauci should be put on trial?
Don't know about that but I know why Tucker was fired - he wasn't nutty enough, they are hiring Mn!
Is CNN hiring you to replace Lemon?!
Don't know about that but I know why Tucker was fired - he wasn't nutty enough, they are hiring Mn!
Thinking Mn would have done a better job.
Is CNN hiring you to replace Lemon?!
I'm angling for Biden's job
Low bar
You and Robert Kennedy Jr.
I'm angling for Biden's job
Bernie-Murph 2028
2024. I’d vote for that ticket.
If I survive COVID. Mild symptoms my ass.
If I survive COVID. Mild symptoms my ass.
How, you’re like quadruple vaxxed I’m sure?!
You know the primary purpose of the vaccine, right?
To keep him from having worse than mild symptoms, yet here we are.
To reduce the chance of hospitalization and death.
What is why do you stop at stop signs while riding your bike, Alex?Who stops at stop signs ?
Who stops at stop signs ?just woke mother fuckers like pa man
How, you’re like quadruple vaxxed I’m sure?!
The symptoms probably are mild, but when you haven't been sick in 3 years, you forget that projectile vomiting
I got it on a trip to see my parents. My Dad is in a very bad way. Cannot take Paxlovid due to his parkinson's drugs.
And this is why we try to avoid spreading it.
Mn!ThePAMan!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cdc-opens-probe-after-35-test-positive-for-covid-following-cdc-conference/ar-AA1aEmG9
Some day, maybe, the pangolin and the reccoon dog will be let off the hook.
"According to the US investigators, the classified programme was to make the mineshaft viruses more infectious to humans.
They believe this led to the creation of the Covid-19 virus, and that it leaked into the city of Wuhan after a laboratory accident. “It has become increasingly clear that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was involved in the creation, promulgation and cover-up of the Covid-19 pandemic,” one of the investigators said."
https://archive.is/BoPrc
That is a very interesting article. Thanks for linking to it.And I viewed that as a means of hoping to avoid acknowledging this as a lab leak.
It also explains why scientists thought/think there was an animal intermediary transmitting the virus to humans (and I hope I am explaining this properly): this is the first such SARS virus that did not need an animal intermediary to transmit to humans.
And I viewed that as a means of hoping to avoid acknowledging this as a lab leak.
Whether or not this was a CCP biowarfare project or it wasn't, we had to have had people who knew this was not of zoonotic origin.
Based on the article, there are "roots" of COVID-19 in that virus found in the mine that were "combined" with other strains.The mine incident resulted in 3 (?) deaths ?
Would others be familiar with this being a possible/conceivable outcome or possibility? The article does posit that this specific work was being done in secret from the "outsiders."
The mine incident resulted in 3 (?) deaths ?
The U.S. provided the technology to Wuhan for furin cleavage site insertion. We knew that.
Right. But who could've known that this could be the result of the work being done? That is why most scientists opining on this, I would think, assumed that there had to be an animal intermediary because it had never been seen before.The virologists dependent on govt grants and research funding were the ones pushing to steer clear of the lab leak.
The virologists dependent on govt grants and research funding were the ones pushing to steer clear of the lab leak.
I'm not sure any of Baric's work at UNC has been successfully obtained thru FOIA, despite multiple requests.
And the same with Ed Holmes at Sydney U in Australia, or eherever he has been working out of.
Holmes said pre-pandemic that trying to predict the next pathogen was foolish.
The article is damning for quite a few people. Including your Public Enemy No. 1.I've still got to digest this one, but here's a tidbit while you're listening.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-01930-0I stopped after the 1st researcher.
https://twitter.com/shellenberger/status/1668661352074993664
This is the 1st mention I've seen of names and type of their work for the 3 infected lab workers.
From Alina Chan, one of the conspiracy theorists.
"“Ever since I put out my [May 2020] preprint [research paper] saying that an accidental lab origin was possible, I was criticized as a conspiracy theorist,” said Chan. “If this info had been made public in May of 2020, I doubt that many in the scientific community and the media would have spent the last three years raving about a raccoon dog or pangolin in a wet market.”
"Had the information come out earlier, governments may have responded to the pandemic differently. After Public shared the information with Chan, she said, “I feel vindicated, but I’m frustrated. If you knew that this was likely a lab-enhanced pathogen, there are so many things you could have done differently. This whole pandemic could have been reshaped.”
For a long time, I've said the world would have responded differently.
I do not understand HOW the world would have responded differently. Are you referring to shut downs and mitigation efforts or merely pressuring the Commie Scum Sucking Fuckers to release information, etc. etc.?Above my pay grade but they're nice people and we trust them probably wouldn't have been said about those Commies. But then, maybe it would.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-funded-scientist-among-three-chinese-researchers-who-fell-ill-amid-early-covid-19-outbreak-3f919567And if Hu is patient zero, "during the initial outbreak" may be a little misleading.
A prominent scientist who worked on coronavirus projects funded by the U.S. government is one of three Chinese researchers who became sick with an unspecified illness during the initial outbreak of Covid-19, according to current and former U.S. officials.
As a result of bi-partisan legislation and signed into law by POTUS the ODNI has released the declassified intelligence on the origins of Covid, minus redactions protecting sources and methods and matters pertaining to national security, that was due this past Sunday.
JK. They haven't released anything.
As a result of bi-partisan legislation and signed into law by POTUS the ODNI has released the declassified intelligence on the origins of Covid, minus redactions protecting sources and methods and matters pertaining to national security, that was due this past Sunday.
JK. They haven't released anything.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-funded-scientist-among-three-chinese-researchers-who-fell-ill-amid-early-covid-19-outbreak-3f919567
A prominent scientist who worked on coronavirus projects funded by the U.S. government is one of three Chinese researchers who became sick with an unspecified illness during the initial outbreak of Covid-19, according to current and former U.S. officials.
https://www.science.org/content/article/ridiculous-says-chinese-scientist-accused-being-pandemic-s-patient-zeroI saw the Jon Cohen I trust Hu and you should too article earlier today.
Ben Hu denies he was sick in late 2019, or that his coronavirus work led to COVID-19, and newly declassified U.S. intelligence doesn't substantiate allegations against him
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Moreover, a newly released U.S. report of declassified information on COVID-19’s origin, from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), fails to name him or substantiate that any WIV scientists had the initial cases of COVID-19
“The recent news about so-called ‘patient zero’ in WIV are absolutely rumors and ridiculous,” Ben Hu emailed Science in his first public response to the charges, which have been attributed to anonymous former and current U.S. Department of State officials. A WIV colleague who has also been named as one of the first COVID-19 cases denies the accusation as well.
Hu and two of his WIV colleagues were thrown into the furious COVID-19 origin debate on 13 June when an online newsletter called Public said the three scientists developed COVID-19 in November 2019. That was prior to the outbreak becoming public when a cluster of cases at the end of December 2019 surfaced in people linked to a Wuhan marketplace. Public’s report was quickly embraced by a camp that argues COVID-19 came from a virus stored, and possibly manipulated, at WIV, rather than from infected animal hosts, perhaps being sold at the Wuhan market. A Wall Street Journal (WSJ) article on 20 June that said it had “confirmed” the allegations against the three, without referring to any public evidence or named sources with direct knowledge, fueled the flames even more. Social media and other publications spread the charges—and the scientists’ names.
The new ODNI report echoes the earlier one in many ways, and says the COVID-19 origin debate remains unresolved. “All agencies continue to assess that both a natural and laboratory-associated origin remain plausible hypotheses to explain the first human infection,” it says. The declassification report does confirm a story by the Wall Street Journal that the Department of Energy had moved from being undecided on COVID-19 origin to favoring a lab leak. ODNI now says, “The Department of Energy and the Federal Bureau of Investigation assess that a laboratory-associated incident was the most likely cause of the first human infection with SARS-CoV-2, although for different reasons.”
Yet ODNI continues to assert the evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was modified by researchers is weak, challenging the many lab leak theories in which WIV scientists allegedly manipulated a precursor coronvirus to make it more dangerous. ODNI states “Almost all IC agencies assess that SARS-CoV-2 was not genetically engineered. Most agencies assess that SARS-CoV-2 was not laboratory-adapted; some are unable to make a determination. All IC agencies assess that SARS-CoV-2 was not developed as a biological weapon.”
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Flo Débarre, one of the scientists who analyzed genetic evidence from the Wuhan market, says she is aghast that so many media outlets have passed along the accusations against the three WIV scientists. “I find it shameful that these scientists are denied any presumption of innocence, their names being thrown in the media arena without any consideration for them, without any actual evidence backing the claim,” says Débarre, who is at CNRS, the French national research agency. She says she was originally "very open" to the lab-leak theory but now finds a natural origin more likely and has combated lab-leak proponents online. Débarre posted a Twitter thread that recounts in detail the history of the “sick” WIV lab worker theory.
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Your move, Mn!
I saw the Jon Cohen I trust Hu and you should too article earlier today.
Which of these points were addressed in the 10 page declassified report ?
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I had to laugh when Hu reportedly said the news about him was "fake news."And the we can trust them, even if they do use Baric's no see em technology.
Sounds like Fauci was trying to take a middle road given the uncertainty and differing views.That the mandate should be to look at the evolutionary origins, as opposed to the mutations would be most unusual to have evolved naturally, is what got us focused on the bats and the pangolins and the palm civets and the wild goose chases.
That the mandate should be to look at the evolutionary origins, as opposed to the mutations would be most unusual to have evolved naturally, is what got us focused on the bats and the pangolins and the palm civets and the wild goose chases.
That the mandate should be to look at the evolutionary origins, as opposed to the mutations would be most unusual to have evolved naturally, is what got us focused on the bats and the pangolins and the palm civets and the wild goose chases.
Well, if you look there and cannot establish it, then that leads to evidence that it was "man made" , no?
They really could not investigate that it was man made since the commies were not cooperating. So, if you cannot prove a) that it evolved naturally, then the odds of b) it is man made is higher. Which is basically where we are at if you are following this, right?
That's an interesting leap.
If you cannot prove that the moon landing was *not* faked, then the odds of it being faked are higher? True by construction because if you can prove it was not faked, then the odds of it being faked are zero.
While true by construction, it's still a logical fallacy that is misleading. If we set some odds that COVID was man made - let's say 15% - and then we ask Fauci to prove it was not man made - that does not increase the odds from 15% to some higher percentage.
I prefer Occam's razor. Lacking proof of either explanation, default to the most likely one. Viruses have evolved since time immemorial - man made viruses have not.
That's an interesting leap.
If you cannot prove that the moon landing was *not* faked, then the odds of it being faked are higher? True by construction because if you can prove it was not faked, then the odds of it being faked are zero.
While true by construction, it's still a logical fallacy that is misleading. If we set some odds that COVID was man made - let's say 15% - and then we ask Fauci to prove it was not man made - that does not increase the odds from 15% to some higher percentage.
I prefer Occam's razor. Lacking proof of either explanation, default to the most likely one. Viruses have evolved since time immemorial - man made viruses have not.
There is a difference. The Chinese Commies could cooperate. They won't. Ergo, you investigate the other avenue as much as possible. If you can prove it was evolution, then you have proven it was not man made.
Saying we need to take the route that was not foreclosed is what Fauci did. No one has been able to prove that it was evolutionary, have they?
We will need Chinese government cooperation to fully explore both theories. At this moment, that's not likely.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/17/health/covid-origins-who.html
I did consider that, but there was a fork in the road and one at least you could attempt to do on your own, right?
There is a difference. The Chinese Commies could cooperate. They won't. Ergo, you investigate the other avenue as much as possible. If you can prove it was evolution, then you have proven it was not man made.
Saying we need to take the route that was not foreclosed is what Fauci did. No one has been able to prove that it was evolutionary, have they?
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Feel free to read it while riding your bike in traffic!
Not surprising you're still living in the 1980's, dead tree newsletter. What is with all the old farts on this Geocities style message board.
I presumed you would be reading it on your phone while biking. There is zero way you don't do that already!
The Secret has been revealed. It was done with lasers and chopsticks.
At first I was excited that Biden had an outsider challenging him…then I started seeing shit like this.
https://twitter.com/meidastouch/status/1680237265510092800?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
You mean all of his prior anti vax stuff didn't do it for you?
Page 109 of 216 pages of the rough drafts of Proximal Origins ....
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And who might be included in the group of public health scientists ? Who convened this group ?
The letter, which references the Proximal Origins draft of Feb 16 that is undergoing peer review before rejection by Nature, was written Feb 19. Andersen was notified by Nature on Feb 20 that they would not be able to publish Proximal Origins.
And the Proximal Origins authors reference the letter 2 days later in support of their Feb 21 draft response to the concerns of Reviewer #2.
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This "much too conflicted to think about this issue straight" Christian ?
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And one of Fauci's first contacts was Jeremy Farrar, who Fauci contacted on Feb 1. Did they discuss the gain of function research in Wuhan and the intentional insertion of a mutation ?
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And Peter Daszak is also included among the "public health scientists".
You mean all of his prior anti vax stuff didn't do it for you?
Let’s hear from two authors of the COVID-19 origin paper.
https://www.science.org/content/article/politicians-scientists-spar-over-alleged-nih-cover-up-using-covid-19-origin-paper
I would categorize that as “shit like this.”
Peter Daszak is probably also included among the "public health scientists" because he is an expert public health scientist.Re Daszak ...
Republicans efforts at the politics of personal destruction notwithstanding
Let’s hear from two authors of the COVID-19 origin paper.Tho Garry mentions that Fauci mostly just listened to the science, did Andersen and Garry mention that some of the discussion did not pertain to science, as pointed out in an email to Andersen from the Oversight Committee to retain and produce his records ?
https://www.science.org/content/article/politicians-scientists-spar-over-alleged-nih-cover-up-using-covid-19-origin-paper
Surprised our resident free thinkers haven’t shown up to white knight for the establishment and big pharma yet after this display of right wing disinformation by Mn
Surprised our resident free thinkers haven’t shown up to white knight for the establishment and big pharma yet after this display of right wing disinformation by Mn
I gave Raskin a pass on the leading question ......I noticed. :D
Custard is our resident expert at building a strawman.
Surprised our resident free thinkers haven’t shown up to white knight for the establishment and big pharma yet after this display of right wing disinformation by Mn
C'mon, that is Tempo.
Most predictable post ever posted here.
Figured I got in before Spark did.
It was always going to be you.
Spark did bash you over the head with it for about 15 pages last week.
I'm just going to rant about how Tempo said Bill Self would come back here if we just texted him for the next 3-5 years.
The stuff MN posts honestly reads like gobbledygook to me. My eyes glaze over. I have zero interest in subject matter, don't get it, and happily defer to the consensus of scientific experts. I don't care what the intelligence agencies, journalists, or the biased pols think.
I'm just going to rant about how Tempo said Bill Self would come back here if we just texted him for the next 3-5 years.
you insult mere gobbledygook. There is nothing that can be said about Mn that hasn't already been said about Mike Lindell and RFK Jr
Nothing personal against our good friend from the north. I know there are differences of opinion about Gain of Function. I don't care to exert the effort necessary to gain even a rudimentary understanding. I have to look up the names involved in the disputes.
It does sound like Republicans trying to smear good scientists for political purposes.
Much like the Russia Hoax and the rigged election.
Reminds me of John from Ohio droning about Richard Melon Scaife and MRWC 30 years ago.
Nothing personal against our good friend from the north. I know there are differences of opinion about Gain of Function. I don't care to exert the effort necessary to gain even a rudimentary understanding. I have to look up the names involved in the disputes.
It does sound like Republicans trying to smear good scientists for political purposes.
Much like the Russia Hoax and the rigged election.
Reminds me of John from Ohio droning about Richard Melon Scaife and MRWC 30 years ago.
I have to smile every time someone mentions the left. I guess in this case, the left is a pejorative for those who follow the science?
Mainstream science rejected the lab leak theory because they followed the evidence.
In general, the left in the USA are right center capitalists with a social conscience. The right are borderline fascists, kleptocrats, and delusional housecats.
Wow. It was everything I’d hoped it would be.
I have to smile every time someone mentions the left. I guess in this case, the left is a pejorative for those who follow the science?
Mainstream science rejected the lab leak theory because they followed the evidence.
Are you up to date on ivermectin shots?I am, and eagerly anticipating the combination ivermectin/hydroxychloroquine shot.
An issue appears to be that evidence was and remains missing. Or locked in a vault in Commie Chinese hands.Exactly.
Lol
Mainstream science rejected the lab leak theory because they followed the evidence.
Don’t trust the scientists, trust the conservative politicians who have lied the last few hundred times they said some shit like this.
This time they’re telling the truth, I’m sure of it!
You may not have said it outright but it’s absolutely what you’re doing in this thread - trusting conservative politicians who have lied over and over to be telling you the truth in lieu of the actual scientists.
It’s obviously on brand
I originally thought the en masse pushback the left has against lab leak theory was perplexing, but it didn’t take me long to figure it out.
Exactly.
Also that there were concerns in Oct and Nov 2019 of issues regarding WIV and an undiagnosed illness in Wuhan.
And why would NIAID issue a grant with sub-awards going to WIV that included language that the Commie Chinese have final approval over what data would be posted to GenBank, and not monitor the grant requirements ?
I haven't seen mention of this, but Proximal Origin continually refers to the available data and how it may be impacted by in vitro work.
WIV had humanized mice. I would assume that work with humanized mice would be in vivo.
"Mainstream science" is about as honest these days as the mainstream media
wow calling me stupid 3 times in 3 sentences, atta boy sparky !!!!!!
is that a new record?
An issue appears to be that evidence was and remains missing. Or locked in a vault in Commie Chinese hands...
wow calling me stupid 3 times in 3 sentences, atta boy sparky !!!!!!
is that a new record?
Exactly.
Also that there were concerns in Oct and Nov 2019 of issues regarding WIV and an undiagnosed illness in Wuhan...
Do you still believe the COVID-19 vaccines are a gene therapy?
did I ever?
Yep.
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Also, aren't these the same people who told us to wear gators and other face coverings that they knew would be ineffective because they wanted to save the good stuff for first responders? Granted, that is not the worst reason for lying, which is what it was, but the fact is they were lying to the public. Which always leads to the subsequent question were/are you also lying about X? They opened Pandora's Box, now they have to deal with it.
We will need China's cooperation either way. -of-function
In that context, going off half cocked with unproven lab leak and engineered bioweapon theories was probably not a wise approach to secure that cooperation.
I disagree with this take.
Cloth masks were more effective than nothing, especially when layered
While not very effective against incoming airborne viruses; they were effective at blocking outgoing droplets that potentially carried the virus before it became airborne.
An uninfected person in a low risk area would not benefit from a cloth mask.
As a national policy, advising people to wear layered cloth masks until surgical and the n95 masks became widely available was not a lie. It was sound policy. Even though some would not directly benefit, we all benefited because the spread of the virus was slowed.
In that context, going off half cocked with unproven lab leak and engineered bioweapon theories was probably not a wise approach to secure that cooperation.
it really is that simple.
Maybe those Commie assholes will finally get the point by the moving manufacturing back to the Good Ol USA and other areas and fucking up their economy (which actually appears to be happening).
By Commie assholes do you mean American Corporations?
Because they do business in China, or because s handful own everything here and centrally plan the economy?
By Commie assholes do you mean American Corporations?
There just might be middle path between going off half cocked with unproven lab leak theories and saying pretty please.
Maybe we should try water boarding?
WMD in Iraq?
Republicans don't trust our government to conduct an investigation, why should the Chinese?
Good news PAMan. Sleepy Joe is taking a swing at those dirty rat commies.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/07/18/politics/biden-admin-suspends-wuhan-lab-funding/index.html
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By Commie assholes do you mean American Corporations?
They, and you fucking whore scumbags in Silicon Valley, are the Commie Enablers.
Yes, that’s what he means.
Our elected politicians are the commie enablers.
Hopefully they learned their lesson about relying on Commie Bastards.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/02/05/susan-collins-trump-learned-lesson-state-of-the-union-sot-nd-vpx.cnn
I ‘member when the left belly laughed when Trump suggested bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US.
Narrator: She was wrong.
Back on topic, Sleepy Joe has enacted policies to revive American manufacturing. Going to take some time, but the foundation is in place.
It has been established that manufacturing important shit, like pharmaceuticals, can't be entrusted to the Commie Bastards.
I ‘member when the left belly laughed when Trump suggested bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US.
OTOH
"Retracting a paper is a rare act, especially for a scientist of Tessier-Lavigne’s stature. A database of retractions shows that only four in every 10,000 papers are retracted."
That a scientist of this stature gets nailed is evidence that peer review works.
I ‘member when the left belly laughed when Trump suggested bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US.
Wasn't it a bunch of kids at the campus paper?
Also, aren't the papers 5 to 10 years old at this point?
That was obvious 30 years ago. But our corporate politicians looked the other way.
"Allegations regarding these four papers and multiple others have been made repeatedly over the last seven years on PubPeer, a site that allows scientists to identify suspected anomalies in publications.”
https://stanforddaily.com/2022/11/29/stanford-presidents-research-under-investigation-for-scientific-misconduct-university-admits-mistakes/
I ‘member when the left belly laughed when Trump suggested bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US.
IIRC, that was like him talking about infrastructure week. There's talkers and doers. Sleepy Joe is a doer.
And yet zilch happened until those meddling kids got involved. Unsure how that proves "peer review" worked in this matter. Oh, that is because it didn't.
Wasn't it a bunch of kids at the campus paper?
Also, aren't the papers 5 to 10 years old at this point?
There is a degree of ethical decadence, excess respect for position, and cover ups system wide.
Northwestern tried to cover the hazing scandal and give goodle boy Paddy Fitzgerald a vacation. They trained their kids too well.
I should have said the system worked.
Peer review might have quietly swept it out the back door.
Also, aren't the papers 5 to 10 years old at this point?
To you that seems old. In science, that is recent..
Do you know what exactly what was not up to snuff, and what impact it has had?
Scientists are human and not perfect, but I still trust them over Republican liars.
Did you click the Paige Spiranac link?
Based on a cursory look, it appears Pat Fitzgerald was making 5 times what the Stanford guy with the hyphenated name was getting.
IIRC, that was like him talking about infrastructure week. There's talkers and doers. Sleepy Joe is a doer.
There just might be middle path between going off half cocked with unproven lab leak theories .....Conversations between the Proximal Origin authors suggest that maybe discussion of anything other than a zoonotic origin is the "half cocked" approach.
A key piece of evidence that the virus may have been engineered is the “furin cleavage site” on the “spike protein.” The special feature allows SARS-CoV-2 to bind to human receptor sites, making the virus highly infectious.
We knew you were a pervert. Furry cleavage!
https://cdn.imgbin.com/1/5/15/imgbin-furry-fandom-cartoon-female-others-z4dmmVH9YEEZ9fK27xSg0C2eC.jpg
Watch it Murph. Furry is a touchy subject for folks in Minnesota. It’s code for kids who identify as cats. Schools everywhere in the state are being forced to provide litter boxes so that these kids can do their business.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/03/politics/scott-jennings-minnesota-schools-cat-litter-box/index.html
I ‘member Trump’s beautiful healthcare plan he was going to unveil to us. Wonder what happened.
"The virus’ characteristics were “exactly what was expected by engineering,” wrote Edward Holmes on Slack on February 1.
A key piece of evidence that the virus may have been engineered is the “furin cleavage site” on the “spike protein.” The special feature allows SARS-CoV-2 to bind to human receptor sites, making the virus highly infectious.
In reference to it, Holmes said, “Bob [Garry] said the insertion was the 1st thing he would add.”
I have no idea what any of that means. That's a lot of technical languages I have no interest in learning..If you understand it, you can express it in laymen's terms.
Also, this is very one-sided and lacking in context. These same people have apparently said the evidence points to a natural origin. So it seems they weighed the evidence from both an engineered and a natural origin perspective.
I have no idea what any of that means. That's a lot of technical languages I have no interest in learning..If you understand it, you can express it in laymen's terms.
Also, this is very one-sided and lacking in context. These same people have apparently said the evidence points to a natural origin. So it seems they weighed the evidence from both an engineered and a natural origin perspective.
I have no idea what any of that means. That's a lot of technical language I have no interest in learning..If you understand it, you can express it in laymen's terms.With all of the Jon Cohen Science articles that have been posted, I assumed you were following along.
Also, this is very one-sided and lacking in context. These same people have apparently said the evidence points to a natural origin. So it seems they weighed the evidence from both an engineered and a natural origin perspective.
FWIW, here's a CNN article that provides additional information on the testimony that was given at the recent House oversight hearing on the Proximal Origin paper:Should I ? 😂
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/11/health/covid-origins-researchers-house-subcommittee-hearing/index.html
It must be really, really exhausting believing everything that doesn't confirm your political preconception is some conspiracy.
When I see someone doing that I'll let them know you think that.
Is it possible it was a lab leak? Yes, have never said otherwise. Even these nefarious scientists have acknowledged it over and over, not that any of the theorists are actually listening to them. This conspiracy theory that we know it was a lab leak (started as a bioweapon, but as conspiracy theories do it changed) and have covered that up is not found in evidence. If you want to give it credence go ahead, that doesn't tell me anything about you and Mn that I didn't know already.
The people whose words Mn is using to evidence his theory have made it clear they do not agree with him. But as is common with this sort of thing, evidence undercutting the theory is ACTUALLY evidence that there's an even bigger cover up conspiracy! It's among the most common elements of this sort of thing.
While he can certainly speak for himself, I have seen nothing to believe that Mn has said it is a given that it was a "lab leak."Yes.
Does he believe that these nefarious scientists do not want to explore the possibility that it was a "lab leak," yeah, I think that is a fair reading of his work. Mn, again, can certainly speak for himself, but this is what I get from his postings.
I think you are a) putting words in Mn's mouth and b) failing to understand that the stuff Mn is posting here seems to indicate that certain esteemed members of the scientific community appear to have not wanted, publicly, to "follow the science" for fear of validating the conspiracy theorists. Again, Mn can speak for himself but this is what I am getting from his postings.
Now, I admit I may be biased, given that I had a leisurely breakfast with Mn in Minnesota, where we chatted on issues large and small, probably close to 2 years ago now.
It must be really, really exhausting believing everything that doesn't confirm your political preconception is some conspiracy.
While he can certainly speak for himself, I have seen nothing to believe that Mn has said it is a given that it was a "lab leak."
Does he believe that these nefarious scientists do not want to explore the possibility that it was a "lab leak," yeah, I think that is a fair reading of his work. Mn, again, can certainly speak for himself, but this is what I get from his postings.
While he can certainly speak for himself, I have seen nothing to believe that Mn has said it is a given that it was a "lab leak."
Does he believe that these nefarious scientists do not want to explore the possibility that it was a "lab leak," yeah, I think that is a fair reading of his work. Mn, again, can certainly speak for himself, but this is what I get from his postings.
I think you are a) putting words in Mn's mouth and b) failing to understand that the stuff Mn is posting here seems to indicate that certain esteemed members of the scientific community appear to have not wanted, publicly, to "follow the science" for fear of validating the conspiracy theorists. Again, Mn can speak for himself but this is what I am getting from his postings.
Now, I admit I may be biased, given that I had a leisurely breakfast with Mn in Minnesota, where we chatted on issues large and small, probably close to 2 years ago now.
Correct - despite the evidence, he believes these nefarious scientists are lying. There's a name for a theory you believe despite the evidence, what is it?
What Mn is doing - on this and many other topics - is continuing the undercurrent of tin foil hat paranoia that is causing the world a ton of grief. I can't really blame Mn, he's just swept under the current caused by the FOX/OAN of the world who are exploiting the feeble minded and keeping the crazy going.
Correct - despite the evidence, he believes these nefarious scientists are lying. There's a name for a theory you believe despite the evidence, what is it?
You realize there are US government agencies who think it was a lab leak, right?. Granted, the agencies have "low confidence" whichever way they come down on the issue. Are they conspiracy theorists too?
I understand there are intelligence agencies who have said they think it’s possible or likely.
Not aware of any credible scientific agencies who believe that, as the lying scientists stated clearly under oath.
I already said a lab leak is possible, but until there’s some evidence of that it’s nothing more than a conspiracy theory. All of the evidence has pointed scientists - even scientists who thought originally that a lab leak was likely - to it being much more likely to be natural. As, again, they stated very clearly under oath.
If you believe these hearings were anything other than blatant political grandstanding meant to undermine the scientific community that one political party has villainized for years, you’re more gullible than I’ve been giving you credit for. I’ll trust the scientists, not the politicians who have made it exceedingly clear they are not operating in good faith here. When there’s evidence indicating a lab leak is more likely then obviously it’s worth discussing but right now the evidence clearly points the other way, according to the people who study this stuff professionally.
I know what the hearings are and who the Republicans are. I am more interested in what was being said between the scientists internally, especially at the time. And it looks like they were saying some interesting things back then.
Do you think they were bribed or pressured and lied under oath about it?
If not, isn’t the fact that they originally thought it was a lab leak and then after studying it more decided that was very unlikely evidence AGAINST this theory? It’s not like they never even considered it or wrote it off - they thought it was likely until they studied it more.
Believing one thing until you study it more and rule it out isn’t evidence of some nefarious political conspiracy. It’s literally how science works.
Calling something a conspiracy theory simply means the evidence doesn’t support it.
The evidence doesn’t support a lab leak theory very well, and DEFINITELY doesn’t support the “they were pressured by Fauci to lie to cover for China” theory that’s actually being pushed by these people.
It’s interesting that there’s this notion of “we wanted to protect China” here - a couple days after the Republican leader gushed about Xi. Wonder if their views on China will change like their views on Russia did with Trump’s backing. He obviously likes Xi (along with all the other world strongmen/terrible dictators)
Are you willing to entertain the notion that these scientists put their lives and reputations on the line to lie about their findings despite there not being any evidence of that? That’s what you’re arguing, but that seems pretty damn unlikely - and there certainly isn’t any compelling evidence FOR that theory.
I don’t particularly care whether it was man made or not, nor have I ever claimed that it definitely wasn’t. I trust the people who actually studied it, not the politicians who produced their cover up conclusion first and then struggled to support it with any evidence.
All the actual evidence has gone against them, which is why they’re latching so desperately onto the fact that some of them thought a leak was likely early on until they studied it more - again, just how the scientific method works. You have a theory, then you try to disprove it. If you do, you come up with a new theory that fits the evidence and try to disprove that.
And there’s zero evidence that’s the case in those scenarios, you just believe it?
There is zero evidence that these scientists were pressured or bribed into a cover up and yet the Republicans are spending time and money pushing that narrative, and you’re lending it credence. Literally their evidence for a cover up is “they changed their opinions as new evidence emerged.” which is about the best thing I can think to say about a scientist. And pushing that narrative has a cooling effect on sciences which I can’t imagine is too far outside the goal. Changing your view based on new evidence is the least we can expect out of our scientists and yet going forward people in government will likely think twice before they do it for fear of being fodder in some insane culture war anti science grandstanding.
People have murdered people before but I’d hope you wouldn’t lend credence to a “Mitch McConnell is a serial murderer” theory pushed by the craziest Dem congresspeople without evidence. There’s open mindedness and then there’s stupidity.
I’m curious - if you believe it’s a natural occurrence as the current evidence indicates, why do you spend this entire thread pushing back on me, and not the person you purport to disagree with and the politicians he’s parroting?
I can’t think of a single issue I’d spend time arguing with the people who agree with me but not the people who don’t and you seem to do it almost every day.
I’m curious - if you believe it’s a natural occurrence as the current evidence indicates, why do you spend this entire thread pushing back on me, and not the person you purport to disagree with and the politicians he’s parroting?
I can’t think of a single issue I’d spend time arguing with the people who agree with me but not the people who don’t and you seem to do it almost every day.
Part of the issue, Spark, is that you think you are right and that there is no chance that the opposite can be true. Well, maybe a little more than 0% but not close to 1%.
For the most part I'm with Spark.
The problem with Mn is that he jumps from one rabbit hole to another, taking things out of context, cherry-picking data and spreading misinformation.
It's get tedious and I understand the frustration that others have trying to follow his posts, which at times are just plain incoherent and nonsensical.
But the entirety of the investigation is pushing the narrative specifically that they were bribed to lie. They called it a cover up before the hearings began. That's what the hearings were about. It's not about the origin of COVID, which the evidence indicates is naturally occurring. It's about the scientists being bribed and lying to cover up that it was man made in a lab in China, which the evidence does not at all indicate.
As long as you ignore the multiple times that I said, "is it possible it was a lab leak? yes, but the current evidence doesn't indicate that", sure.
Sounds like someone who thinks there is no chance that he's not right.
What's actually at issue here is your stance that, since it's POSSIBLE they were bribed, since there is evidence that other scientists have been bribed in the past, it's rational to entertain the notion that these scientists were bribed despite there being zero evidence of that at all.
For the most part I'm with Spark.
The problem with Mn is that he jumps from one rabbit hole to another, taking things out of context, cherry-picking data and spreading misinformation.
It's get tedious and I understand the frustration that others have trying to follow his posts, which at times are just plain incoherent and nonsensical.
For the most part I'm with Spark.
The problem with Mn is that he jumps from one rabbit hole to another, taking things out of context, cherry-picking data and spreading misinformation.
It's get tedious and I understand the frustration that others have trying to follow his posts, which at times are just plain incoherent and nonsensical.
I am interested in the origins of the virus so we can try and prevent it from happening again. I do not think anyone has been "bribed" to lie or whatever X politician is claiming.
Why Do So Many Americans Distrust Science?
https://www.aamc.org/news/why-do-so-many-americans-distrust-science
Trust in institutions is eroding. All government and private institutions that develop health policies suffer harm from news reports about research scandals (such as fraud), conflicting findings among scientific studies, and dismissive pronouncements that everyone should “just trust the science.” As Jonathan Haidt, PhD, a social psychologist at the New York University Stern School of Business, wrote recently, “When people lose trust in institutions, they lose trust in the stories told by those institutions.”
fraud - The Stanford President still has a job teaching...
"Conflicting findings among scientific studies" = results oriented findings based on who paid the scientist for the study
"dismissive pronouncements" = Dan Bernsteins of the media world telling everyone to wear a gaitor despite the fact the scientist in charge knew they were not effective...
And they wonder why there is an issue?
Then why are you so supportive of this committee hearing/investigation which is focused on the narrative that they were bribed to cover it up, and not at all on the origins of the virus?
It's not like they hid it or pretended they were interested in the origins of COVID.
"“We’re examining whether government officials, regardless of who they are, unfairly, perhaps biasedly, tipped the scales toward a preferred origin theory,” said subcommittee chair Representative Brad Wenstrup (R–OH) at the start of the hearing."
...
"“What a lot of people think is going on here is that Dr. Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins realized that they had been implicated in the creation of this virus, and they were doing everything they could, including getting both of you to come on board as tools or vehicles, to undermine that theory,” said Representative Ronny Jackson (R–TX)."
https://www.science.org/content/article/politicians-scientists-spar-over-alleged-nih-cover-up-using-covid-19-origin-paper
The committee literally called their paper "The Proximal Origin of a Cover Up". The cover up conspiracy was the whole point.
Can you show your work on the neck gaiter thing? I remember when that study came out, and then I remember the authors of it coming out and telling people they were misinterpreting the results.
An N95 respirator blocked 99% (standard deviation (SD) 0.3%) of the cough aerosol, a medical grade procedure mask blocked 59% (SD 6.9%), a 3-ply cotton cloth face mask blocked 51% (SD 7.7%), and a polyester neck gaiter blocked 47% (SD 7.5%) as a single layer and 60% (SD 7.2%) when folded into a double layer. In contrast, the face shield blocked 2% (SD 15.3%) of the cough aerosol. Our results suggest that face masks and neck gaiters are preferable to face shields as source control devices for cough aerosols.
Where have I said that I am supporting of these hearings? I know that they are not interested in finding out the truth on either side. It is, however, where scientists are talking about the subject. I am interested in hearing what they say. The leading questions are not what I am interested in.
I never thought Fauci created the virus.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9345365/
Yes, as noted by Alum, it was better than nothing. But, we all found out that the N95 was the king of the hill and they did not want everyone going out and buying them up before they could get them to first responders. As I said at the time of the post, not the worst reason to lie (even if by omission), but it was still a lie. That is what breeds mistrust.
But the leading questions ARE the hearing. It’s what the hearing has been, and what it was designed to be - an effort to push the “Fauci bribed them” theory without evidence. And no evidence of that was uncovered in the investigation.
You certainly have pushed back on my issues with the hearings far more than the zero times you’ve pushed back on Mn posting the leading questions. It’s something I sincerely don’t get - in terms of you arguing with someone it’s better to disagree and be someone else than agree and be me.
If you think there isn’t evidence to indicate a lab leak, and there isn’t evidence at all to indicate a bribery or cover up, and the hearing and investigation were clearly political nonsense - then why have you pushed back on me so hard when I’ve said those things, and not at all on Mn when he’s said the exact opposite?
So the issue here is that someone told people to wear neck gaiters if they didn’t have a mask, which the study you posted showed makes sense and is reasonable as it’s better than nothing - and that sows distrust in the science community?
When that other study from Duke (which made it clear that it only tested one particular type of neck gaiter) came out conservatives went bat shit over it saying the exact same things you are until the authors came out publicly and told them to stop misrepresenting the results of their study.
I’d say the people who pushed the misrepresented narrative did a whole lot more to sow that distrust than the person who correctly said to wear a neck gaiter if you don’t have a mask, but again you’re pushing back on the guy who said the thing your article agrees with and not the people who misrepresente d these studies to push their political narrative.
Here’s an article about the neck gaiter thing:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-those-bogus-reports-on-ineffective-neck-gaiters-got-started/?amp=true
Yet, everyone who says "maybe we should still be looking into the lab leak theory" is classified as a Republican tin foil hat wearer. I get that there are many of them on that side of the fence, but that does not mean it should still be dismissed out of hand. That is not good for "following the science." 'Is it akin to David Shor getting fired for pointing out polling research saying that rioting and looting was not good for Democrats? No, but cutting off inquiry because it is uncomfortable is not a good thing.
Spark, the issue was Fauci and the other scientists in the White House getting up and not telling us that the N95 masks were the ones to get because they wanted to save them for the first responders.
This is totally false. What gets people called tin hat wearers is saying "we need to be looking closely into the lab leak theory and the notion that these scientists were bribed despite all the evidence."
I've said over and over that if there's evidence for the lab leak theory it should absolutely be followed up on and investigated. You know who else said that? The scientist the Republicans tried so hard to bury the last few days. Because that's how science works - you follow the evidence. You don't investigate theories that the evidence doesn't support for political reasons (ignoring, of course, the wasted time and taxpayer money) - that's how politics works. No one is saying "stop considering it might be a lab leak, it makes me uncomfortable" - in fact, every credible person I've seen discussing it INCLUDING the scientists in question in front of the committee, has said "I'm willing to consider a lab leak theory if there's evidence supporting that, but that evidence has not been found." It's exactly what a scientist SHOULD be saying, and exactly what these scientists ARE saying. But again, you've spent ALL DAY arguing with things I said that you later said "oh I actually agree with you" on, and came up with one example where you pushed back on a tiny detail from the guy pushing the "these guys covered up a lab leak origin" narrative.
Oh? Just a minute ago it was about neck gaiters, I guess until the evidence undercut that.
I don't have any issue with hording the best masks for the people who were on the front lines and consistently exposed to the virus. That's what any logical assessment would suggest, I assume. I never had trouble getting a mask, personally.
So now we've got, in terms of what sows distrust in science:
- they said to wear neck gaiters when they don't work, even though the evidence says they do work
- they saved the most effective masks for the people most likely to be exposed to COVID
I'm struggling to find the yarn you're trying to spin here. It seems like you're looking for some way that the scientists - and not the people who have been actively trying to undermine them for years - are the ones sowing distrust in science, but your examples are extraordinarily bad.
I think the biggest things by a hundred miles that sow distrust in science are people who misrepresent scientific studies, and people who outright tell people not to trust scientists for political reasons. It's not a coincidence that the largest distrusters of science are the people being actively told "don't trust scientists, they're bribed
to lie to you". This hearing has done infinitely more to sow distrust in the scientific establishment than someone telling you to wear a neck gaiter, or the national health apparatus holding back effective masks for the people most likely to be exposed to the virus.
You are arguing this point to me when I have told you I do not care about the politicians' investigations. I do not know why. Other than I think the lab leak theory should not be pigeonholed. If it makes you feel better, I wish some independent scientists would do what they could to look into it instead of politicians.
Based on the source materials Mn has linked to here, the scientists were not looking into the lab leak theory. I said I thought I understood why. Mn may disagree based on the materials he has read. I may be wrong. He may be wrong. Odds are, given the Commie Bastards refuse to help, we probably will never know.
I don't have any issue with hording the best masks for the people who were on the front lines and consistently exposed to the virus. That's what any logical assessment would suggest, I assume. I never had trouble getting a mask, personally.
But the scientists DID look into the lab leak theory. They even believed it was probable at one point - which the committee used (and Mn parroted) as evidence that there was something untoward going on. As new evidence came to light they followed what the evidence supported instead of what it didn't support. Again, this is literally just how the scientific method works.
Spark, they knew the N95s worked. They did not want a run on them so first responders could have them. Fauci admitted that. That was the point. They fucking lied by omission. Now, you are shocked people are skeptical.
And yet, agencies of the US government have been sucked into believing the lab leak theory, which has been, allegedly, disproved. Interesting how the Deep State works.
Interesting article about the virologists versus the US intelligence agencies:
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/02/28/1160162845/what-does-the-science-say-about-the-origin-of-the-sars-cov-2-pandemic
Note, there is no "smoking gun animal" supporting the natural theory.
Scientists who believe in the natural origin theory admit lab leak theory should not be ruled out:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-65708746
Others may have a different viewpoint, if you can believe that.
To sit here and say the gaitors work, 47%, is BS. Yes, they work better than absolutely nothing. No shit.
So you DIDN'T say earlier today that they weren't effective, and that saying that they were when they KNEW they weren't bred science skepticism?
Why is suddenly something that totally contradicts what you said earlier a 'no shit'?
Yes, I did. I do not consider 47% effective in combating COVID, especially when N95s are 99%. Do you?
For the most part I'm with Spark.
The problem with Mn is that he jumps from one rabbit hole to another, taking things out of context, cherry-picking data and spreading misinformation.
It's get tedious and I understand the frustration that others have trying to follow his posts, which at times are just plain incoherent and nonsensical.
Re the possibility of a lab leak hypothesis impacting any future funding ....
"If the grant were scored and reviewed as part of the NIH’s transparent merit-based process in November 2019, is there any way that the awarding of the grant could have been used as a bribe during the February 1, 2020 conference call?” Dingell asked.
“Excluding the possibility that somebody is a time traveler, no, that is just not possible given the timeline,” Andersen insisted. Garry added: “I agree.”
Andersen's 'scored and reviewed' as of Nov 2019 NIAID grant application shows an award, budget and project start date of May 2020.
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For all intents and purposes, the grant was awarded on May 21, 2020.I am not going to copy and paste the whole thing. The grant application was made on or before June 28, 2019.
It was scored via peer review in November 2019. It received a high impact score of 27, virtually assuring finding.
The advisory council looked at it in January 2020 and approved the funding.
The final steps were various tedious kinds of time consuming administrative processing. Hence the May 21 date. For all intents and purposes, the November scoring paved the way for funding approval in January. Both before the Feb phone call.
Who said it had been disproven?
Surely you aren't referring to me, who again, has said at least five times today that it's possible and that if evidence of it comes out it should absolutely be investigated fully - right?
For all intents and purposes, the grant was awarded on May 21, 2020.
For all intents and purposes, the grant proposal could have been revoked on May 20, 2020 without any funding having been released.
Or March 1, or April 1, or May 1.
For the most part I'm with Spark.
The problem with Mn is that he jumps from one rabbit hole to another, taking things out of context, cherry-picking data and spreading misinformation.
It's get tedious and I understand the frustration that others have trying to follow his posts, which at times are just plain incoherent and nonsensical.
What do we have to lose by aggressively investigating the deaths of millions of people so it doesn’t happen again? It’s *almost* like you (and the others who so deeply believe in the power of institutions) are afraid of what they might find.
I’d love to see a full scale bipartisan investigation into all potential avenues.
Perhaps it’s cognitive dissonance you and others are experiencing?
US Congressional Hearing Produces Heat, But No Light on COVID-Origins DebateAnd from your linked Nature article.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-02261-w
^^Alternative facts.^^But Dingell's question mentions "the awarding of the grant ..."
Back in the real world; it was effectively approved and funded before the Feb phone call. If you bothered to read up on why it took until May 21 to finalize, you would know that.
Apparently a few of us can decipher Mn’s posts. Even PAMan, a Democrat.Maybe ThePAMan can decipher the posts because he's in his words, "a fucking lawyer". Lol
I’d love to see a full scale bipartisan investigation into all potential avenues.
Maybe ThePAMan can decipher the posts because he's in his words, "a fucking lawyer". Lol
Other functions of these committees include oversight and legislation. Not all of the questioning necessarily pertains to the origin.
WTF are we doing in collaborative work with a lab in China, with it's Chinese military presence, where China's approval is required before data is uploaded to GenBank ?
And WTF are we doing deleting data at the request of the researchers in China ?
Legislation can be a useful tool, and there was an uproar over the recent change to require more oversight over sub-awards.
The origin of COVID has become this century's JFK assassination. The conspiracy theories will never die.
So you DIDN'T say earlier today that they weren't effective, and that saying that they were when they KNEW they weren't bred science skepticism?
Why is suddenly something that totally contradicts what you said earlier a 'no shit'?
Did they say anything remotely similar to these are only 47% effective or that N95s were 99% effective? Nope. They knew it, but wanted to save the effective masks for the 1st responders.
For an airborne virus that was killing people, no, I don't consider 47% to be effective.
They said to wear the gaiters if you didn't have a mask. You said that bred skepticism, because they knew the gaiters didn't work.
But the gaiters do work, as you've acknowledged since you said it - you even said no shit they work. You claimed science skepticism was bred by someone saying something that is true.
I will argue that saying shit like "they lied and said gaiters work" when they DO work and you've already acknowledged that, probably doesn't help with the science skepticism. Certainly that sort of thing is a lot worse than saying to wear one if you don't have a mask "when they don't work" even though they do to some degree.
I don't really give a fuck what you "count" as effective. You said they lied when they said they worked to use if you didn't have a mask. They did. The end.
More like losing patience on multiple levels. Nobody here understands the technical language. Spike Proteins. Something something.
On the claim Fauci used grants to bribe scientists to change their minds; that has been debunked.
It's just exactly like the 'Hillary sold the Russians our Uranium' lie.
'A lie can travel halfway round the world while the truth is putting on its shoes."
I can't even offhand remember the name of the organization that makes the grants. National Institute of Algae and Incestuous Disease?
But anyway; that is not how it works. There is a lengthy, bureaucratic process. I don't think Fauci had that authority.
Here is a pretty good counter: https://www.factcheck.org/2023/03/scicheck-no-evidence-scientists-received-grant-for-changing-opinion-on-pandemic-origins-contrary-to-claims/
Long story short....know an in law of someone whose father was a Warren Commission investigator. In law claimed the investigator thinks The Mob had JFK killed.
That brings back memories. My mom's hairdresser had an in-law of someone whose cousin was a CIA agent. The hairdresser claimed the agent thinks the pro-Castro Cubans put Oswald up to the assassination.
Me: I think LBJ ordered the hit.
Long story short....know an in law of someone whose father was a Warren Commission investigator. In law claimed the investigator thinks The Mob had JFK killed.
Wow. That's a spicy hot take!
https://jabberwocking.com/facebook-says-it-was-under-pressure-over-lab-leak-posts/Nope.
Mn? Public comments was the "pressure"?
https://jabberwocking.com/facebook-says-it-was-under-pressure-over-lab-leak-posts/
Mn? Public comments was the "pressure"?
In the end, FB pretty much did what they wanted, no?
Didn't they delete some shit?
Sounds about right. I don’t think they were “forced” to.
Should the government favor “free speech” over public health? I don’t think so. Even then, no one was sent to prison for being an anti-science dipshit.
The US Constitution and the Bill of Rights may say otherwise, Tempo.
The US Constitution and the Bill of Rights may say otherwise, Tempo.
Again, did anyone go to jail for spreading misinformation?Whether someone went to jail or not for what they said is not the test.
Interesting article on the topic:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-evolving-free-speech-battle-between-social-media-and-the-government
Whether someone went to jail or not for what they said is not the test.
The "chilling" of speech is also prohibited. Government action targeting expression that deters free speech rights protected by the 1st Amendment is also prohibited.
Now, is "misinformation" akin to yelling "Fire" in a crowded movie house which is not protected speech under the 1st Amendment? That is the question, kind sir, and probably depends on the "misinformation."
Tempo was probably doing a lot of nodding when he read 1984.
That was an interesting read, thanks for posting it. Telling The FaceBook or The Twitter that Sleepy Joe wants a parody account deleted is far different from a government agency pointing out that "x is a flat out lie that could kill people," but there is a lot of grey area in the latter too.
Ironically enough, it appears that the big corporations Tempo hates may wind up doing the censoring that Tempo wants done here. The Twitter is having cash problems because Big Business does not want their products associated with racist, xenophobic, pick your phobic, speech. Whether that causes The Twitter to do more moderation as time goes on remains to be seen.
That was an interesting read, thanks for posting it. Telling The FaceBook or The Twitter that Sleepy Joe wants a parody account deleted is far different from a government agency pointing out that "x is a flat out lie that could kill people," but there is a lot of grey area in the latter too.
Ironically enough, it appears that the big corporations Tempo hates may wind up doing the censoring that Tempo wants done here. The Twitter is having cash problems because Big Business does not want their products associated with racist, xenophobic, pick your phobic, speech. Whether that causes The Twitter to do more moderation as time goes on remains to be seen.
I don’t ever recall saying I “wanted censorship.” I’m merely saying it’s not illegal for the White House to attempt to exert influence. I was fairly indifferent to the White House’s attempt to curtail misinformation. I’m almost always “pro free speech,” but I won’t cry if misinformation is discredited or even stifled if it’s done legally.
I’m not John Roberts, but as far as I know “attempting to wield influence,” as considerable as that influence isn’t illegal. Again, was FB “punished” in away?
I hate Illinois nazis.
Just Illinois Nazis?
SMDH...
https://youtu.be/nu-0HDBJHc8
Last time I saw that movie was like 43 years ago.
The lab leak theory is exciting and easy to understand—and implicates China, which everyone loves. Meanwhile, the natural origins story is boring and largely rests on a PhD-level knowledge of virology. What's more, experts are all careful to acknowledge that they can't prove the lab leak theory is wrong, which keeps the door permanently open for the crackpots.
By now, the lab leak theory is literally a one-in-a-million shot. The evidence is overwhelmingly against it. But no one cares.
As Neil DeGrasse Tyson says - science has gotten far enough that to most people, it's indistinguishable from magic
As Neil DeGrasse Tyson says - science has gotten far enough that to most people, it's indistinguishable from magic
https://jabberwocking.com/raw-data-public-belief-in-the-covid-19-lab-leak-theory/
Raw data: Public belief in the COVID-19 lab leak theory
There's no longer any partisan difference at all. Across all parties, the lab leak theory is favored 2:1 over a natural origin for the COVID-19 virus.
***
Why the enormous—and growing—distance between the public and the experts? My guess is that it's for two reasons. First, the lab leak zealots are simply louder and more persistent than the experts. Second, the lab leak theory makes all the front-pages whenever there's some fresh news about it. For example, when the Department of Energy decided a lab leak was likely, it got big play everywhere.¹ Ditto for the release of the names of the Wuhan researchers working on coronaviruses.² Conversely, science moves more gently. Evidence mounts over time and there are few decisive breakthroughs that make the news. And even when there are, they're barely comprehensible to the ordinary person.
***
The lab leak theory is exciting and easy to understand—and implicates China, which everyone loves. Meanwhile, the natural origins story is boring and largely rests on a PhD-level knowledge of virology. What's more, experts are all careful to acknowledge that they can't prove the lab leak theory is wrong, which keeps the door permanently open for the crackpots.
By now, the lab leak theory is literally a one-in-a-million shot. The evidence is overwhelmingly against it. But no one cares.
Chump edit: Thought I had hit copy and paste twice....
Is a possible retort that we now know the Chinese military was doing off the books research there that was not being shared?I'm busy all week, but I did see where Drum had a nice shout out to Michael Worobey.
That does not refute the remainder of it though.
I'm busy all week, but I did see where Drum had a nice shout out to Michael Worobey.
Why are we hearing of this RmYNO2, first published in May, 2020 over 3 years later ? 🤷♂️
The honest answer is “I don’t know”, with the caveat that the Chinese government must be transparent and commit to fully cooperating with the international community in determining the origin of COVID-19.
Good question, but does it actually change the results?This took all of a few seconds to find on the Google.
The honest answer is “I don’t know”, with the caveat that the Chinese government must be transparent and commit to fully cooperating with the international community in determining the origin of COVID-19.Now do the U of Sydney and E. Holmes work, the UNC and Ralph Baric's work and the U.S. goverment.
Here you go, Mn...Lol. I lasted into the 2nd paragraph. Is there anything in the article that hasn't been posted yet ?
https://www.thefp.com/p/anthony-faucis-deceptions
Lol. I lasted into the 2nd paragraph. Is there anything in the article that hasn't been posted yet ?
I had not heard about the Fauci "does not want his fingers on origin stories" thing.Lol. His agency funded the Commies.
Lol. His agency funded the Commies.
Why do you think he called Farrar on Feb 1, 2020 ?
Talk weather ?
Lol. His agency funded the Commies.
Why do you think he called Farrar on Feb 1, 2020 ?
Talk weather ?
Sounds like a RmYN job.
Farrar - meh. Tweedy carried those guys, as shown by the body of work coming from Wilco
Robb would disagree.
Robb is a moron
Not even here to defend himself....
We are indeed blessed with his non-prescence.
Tempo and QAnon97 agreeing on something....hmm.
Is there a more universal truth than “Robb is a turd?”
We are indeed blessed with his non-prescence.
Mn, The COVID appears to be making a comeback and it is not Fall yet. Are they going to combine the flu shot with The COVID vaccine this year?I assume they'll try unless they have a new booster to push.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/san-francisco-worst-pandemic-recovery-city-mired-crime-homelessness-study.amp
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/san-francisco-worst-pandemic-recovery-city-mired-crime-homelessness-study.amp
According to murph that’s a feature not a bug
Sorry. You lost me with that one, Golf.
Just in time for the 2024 election cycle ! Eat your heart out smurph ! Mandates in mail in voting coming too I bet !
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Shit is gonna be all kinds of fucked up this whole next year.
2020: Nothing can be worse than me
2024: Hold my beer
Hoping the new flu vaccine and the next booster get here soon.
Shit is gonna be all kinds of fucked up this whole next year.
2020: Nothing can be worse than me
2024: Hold my beer
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/ykzXbY24BFqY8/giphy.gif)I knew you would be excited as well.
Shit is gonna be all kinds of fucked up this whole next year.Friday .....
2020: Nothing can be worse than me
2024: Hold my beer
Were the shootings carried out by people with concealed carry permits?
Skeptical, but i do not know. Last I read the person who shot the kid outside the minor league game remained at large.
Skeptical, but i do not know. Last I read the person who shot the kid outside the minor league game remained at large.How about whomever shot the women inside a major league game ?
How about whomever shot the women inside a major league game ?
It's an emergency.
Seems weird to go after the segment of people who might actually stop a shooting.
He's probably running because he doesn't want to be caught without his concealed carry permit.
Were the shootings carried out by people with concealed carry permits?
How about whomever shot the women inside a major league game ?
It's an emergency.
When reading the article on the shootings that precipitated the Governor's order, I did think to myself, "This sounds like an average Wednesday in Chicago "
Meanwhile, the Gov of New Mexico is deciding that her declared emergency and her rights are a tiche more important than the constitution.
"No constitutional right, in my view, including my oath, is intended to be absolute,"
Absolute 🤡
If not, then clearly permits do nothing to stop gun violence, so we should just shut down the gun companies writ large
The most persistent gun violence happens in cities with the strictest gun laws. Clearly we don’t have enough concealed carry permits.
The most persistent gun violence happens in cities with the strictest gun laws. Clearly we don’t have enough concealed carry permits.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/04/23/surprising-geography-of-gun-violence-00092413
shockingly if you remove all the black and hispanic people in the USA our gun death rate is similar to scandinavian countries
strange isn't it
shockingly if you remove all the black and hispanic people in the USA our gun death rate is similar to scandinavian countries
strange isn't it
Back on topic ...
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"Low confidence"? I find it hard to get worked up about "low confidence."
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/04/23/surprising-geography-of-gun-violence-00092413
shockingly if you remove all the black and hispanic people in the USA our gun death rate is similar to scandinavian countries
strange isn't it
Here ya go…
https://x.com/marionawfal/status/1701611222364483773?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
"Low confidence"? I find it hard to get worked up about "low confidence."The "significant monetary incentive" might be a bigger issue than the confidence level
The "significant monetary incentive" might be a bigger issue than the confidence level
The "significant monetary incentive" might be a bigger issue than the confidence level
shockingly if you remove all the black and hispanic people in the USA our gun death rate is similar to scandinavian countries
strange isn't it
So the tendency to resort to deadly violence appears to be cultural and regional. Take away legal guns; they will obtain them illegally. If we somehow manage to take away illegal guns; they'll use knives. Or homemade bombs.
Interesting.
Scandanavian countries were mentions. There are hispanic and black people in Scandanavian countries. What is the gun violence rate amongst those cultures in Scandanavia?
Crime in general - worldwide - tends to follow one very clear demographic when you control for all other factors. The less money you have, the more violent crime you commit. ILLove attributes it to skin color - saying it's an attribute of race - if you are hispanic or black you are more prone to violence. But run it through the NVidia AI machines and we see that this is not true - it's not about brown or black, it's about green. Want less violent crime? Give more opportunities to people with less money, which in this country trends towards people of color.
[citation needed]
Also - is that the rate of offenders, or victims?
Also - now do those stats for "children shot in schools wrt race"
Democrat policies destroyed the Negro family and made them dependent on the government for generations now the only way they can make money is being gang bangers or selling drugs !
Strong Christian Conservative Negro families don’t have the same issues !
Sorry smurph, checkmate !
I think it’s supposed to be a safety net to help people out i.e. keep them from starving, not provide a long term living. Or savings. America’s poor, as a group, are fat af. I’d love to see what your answer to the welfare problems are, Nichi.
I know Custard will be happy to read that a) I got my flu shot today and b) even bigger news, scheduled my The COVID booster for next Tuesday. YES!
Have to avoid the guy in the office who went on vacation (to one of those states that don't believe in The COVID) 2 weeks ago and was out all this week with The COVID. Dude has sounded like death warmed over all week.
Mn, can you break this down for us?TLDR, but mutation creation was an early concern with the vaccines. And now it looks as tho the antivirals do the same.
https://www.the-express.com/news/health/112809/covid-unexpected-mutations-virus-drug-molnupiravir
Mn just trying to stir up Alum and Murph....
Indeed. "Lab created virus". If by "Lab" you mean "the lungs of some wild animal", then yes, this is technically correct. I mean, the entire universe is just one big laboratory n'est pas?
Indeed. "Lab created virus". If by "Lab" you mean "the lungs of some wild animal", then yes, this is technically correct. I mean, the entire universe is just one big laboratory n'est pas?
No one here knows that.
I mean, does anyone really know anything? We may think that force = mass times acceleration, and while that model generally works in practice at larger scales, it breaks down when you consider special relativity. And even then, it's only something man has used to describe what he sees in the current observable universe, but that's just because it's what God has produced at this moment in time (if time is really a concept, granted, or God for that matter). There is no definable truth that mass need exist, it's only a construct we've created to try to describe our meaningless presence on this mortal coil.
Exactly. It’s also why I don’t waste any energy on the Bears.
I mean, does anyone really know anything? We may think that force = mass times acceleration, and while that model generally works in practice at larger scales, it breaks down when you consider special relativity. And even then, it's only something man has used to describe what he sees in the current observable universe, but that's just because it's what God has produced at this moment in time (if time is really a concept, granted, or God for that matter). There is no definable truth that mass need exist, it's only a construct we've created to try to describe our meaningless presence on this mortal coil.
I got my COVID booster today and feel my views on Justin Fields mutating....He could be an NFL QB!
Who wants to FOIA Baric's gmail ? :D
Why would Daszak not want to be FOIA'd over communications with Baric and Fauci's advisor, David Morens ?
Lol
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Who wants to FOIA Baric's gmail ? :D
Why would Daszak not want to be FOIA'd over communications with Baric and Fauci's advisor, David Morens ?
Lol
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We bombed Iraq back to the Stone Age over 3000 some 9/11 deaths and nonexistent WMDs...
It wouldn’t have been as funny if I included all that.
Did a Russian bot take over Mn’s account?
They appear to be coming to get you, Mn.I've had the presence of mind to make 2 trips to get shot up. It's not that difficult. It really isn't. They don't care.
I've had the presence of mind to make 2 trips to get shot up. It's not that difficult. It really isn't. They don't care.
I got the shingles vaccine yesterday. Going back in late January for the 2nd shot.
They are coming for you too!
I got the shingles vaccine yesterday. Going back in late January for the 2nd shot.
This one was the roughest on me. Hope you're not feeling shitty for 3 days.
No symptoms so far.
Update. I have a knot on my arm where I got the shot, and it's sore as fuck. And I had some chills last night and generally felt a little shitty. All in all, not bad. I'll update again after the 2nd shot.
Mn should have warned you....
Update. I have a knot on my arm where I got the shot, and it's sore as fuck. And I had some chills last night and generally felt a little shitty. All in all, not bad. I'll update again after the 2nd shot.Good chance you'll live. If not, you know the drill.
Update. I have a knot on my arm where I got the shot, and it's sore as fuck. And I had some chills last night and generally felt a little shitty. All in all, not bad. I'll update again after the 2nd shot.
Good chance you'll live. If not, you know the drill.
You got a needle stuck in a muscle so it's probably going to hurt more than a flu shot.
And I know a couple of people who have had shingles around the eye. You don't want that.
What if a woman squirts in your eye? Cancerous? I’m probably asking the wrong guy.
I don't get what you are implying or saying here.
Not that surprising.
Maybe you can explain it to me?Maybe he got squirted on and he's looking for answers.
Maybe he got squirted on and he's looking for answers.
I have been squirted on yes
By Justin Fields?
I laughed out loud
By Justin Fields?
By Justin Fields?
Is there anything more up to date on the origins of the virus that causes covid?
"Four of the eight intelligence agencies lean toward a natural origin for the virus, with "low confidence," while two of them — the DOE and the Federal Bureau of Investigation — support a lab origin, with the latter having "moderate confidence" about its conclusion."
"... the origin of the pandemic is also a scientific question. Virologists who study pandemic origins are much less divided than the U.S. intelligence community. They say there is "very convincing" data and "overwhelming evidence" pointing to an animal origin.'
"... scientists published two extensive, peer-reviewed papers in Science in July 2022, offering the strongest evidence to date that the COVID-19 pandemic originated in animals at a market in Wuhan, China."
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/02/28/1160162845/what-does-the-science-say-about-the-origin-of-the-sars-cov-2-pandemic
Nichi, can we trust National Palestinian Radio?
Robert Kadlec, who would have been Fauci's boss, has apparently said that they worked together to suppress a lab leak theory to minimize any negative impact on the commies.
Which, I guess if true, would indicate that unelected bureaucrats were impacting US foreign policy.
Robert Kadlec, who would have been Fauci's boss, has apparently said that they worked together to suppress a lab leak theory to minimize any negative impact on the commies.
Which, I guess if true, would indicate that unelected bureaucrats were impacting US foreign policy.
They are pretty much objective in reporting news. I don't many who like them because they present all sides.Michael Worobey's wet market theories have been pretty well debunked.
The impression I have is the Intel community is divided.
Only the DoE (low confidence) and the FBI (moderate confidence) thinks it was a lab leak. I gather the former bases it on evidence of a cover up. That could just be Asian face saving?
The FBI won't say what they have.
The science seems to point to a naturally occuring virus that first emerged in tha animal market. Apparently most virologists and epidemiologists who have studied it in detail tend to agree?
None of it's conclusive as far as I can tell.
MARCH 3, 2023 4 MIN READ
Lab-Leak Intelligence Reports Aren’t Scientific Conclusions
"There are gaps in the ancestry of SARS-CoV-2 that need to be closed before a definitive scientific conclusion can be made."
Michael Worobey's wet market theories have been pretty well debunked.
Maybe Ralph Baric's work at UNC, that he has been fighting tooth and nail to hide, could be of some help.
Maybe Eddie Holmes' work at the U of Sydney could be released.
Sun light is the best medicine, I'm told.
It is, but we'll need China's cooperation in conducting a comprehensive investigation into the origins of COVID-19.
This is exactly what I mean by just letting it lie basically. Why aren’t we as a society beating their doors down to get answers? We’ve invaded and occupied countries for killing 3500 Americans.
Uh, because invading a billion Chinese would not be that easy? Also, there is the complex economic ties? But, this is why Sleepy Joe proposed and signed some bills to bring some manufacturing home....
Uh, because invading a billion Chinese would not be that easy? Also, there is the complex economic ties? But, this is why Sleepy Joe proposed and signed some bills to bring some manufacturing home....
Not suggesting we invade by any means. Just saying if this thing killed millions and literally nothing has been done to hold anyone accountable for it, is that doing right by the dead? Or doing anything to prevent it from happening again? Saying welp China won’t work with us 🤷🏻♂️ is some pretty fucking weak sauce. Soft on crime, soft on illegal immigration, soft on China.
In 2015-2020 the left snickered and sneered at the suggestion that manufacturing could be brought back home.
In 2015-2020 the left snickered and sneered at the suggestion that manufacturing could be brought back home.
Yet Sleepy Joe is getting it done. How you like those apples?
Wrong again. The left said that Trump’s "erratic, ego-driven and inconsistent trade policies" wouldn’t work to reshore manufacturing. We called for a "more coordinated and comprehensive approach that included rebalancing of U.S. trade, as well as significant public investments in infrastructure, clean energy, workforce training, R&D, and other industrial policies."
Interesting that you tried to turn an acknowledged irony into some kind of flex
Outstanding revisionist history here. And cherry picking. Most of the talk centered on the economic headwinds and expensive domestic labor, not diplomatic strategies.
But like everything I’ve learned since, most of the left’s snickering and sneering at the time wasn’t fact based so much as a visceral snarling reaction to having their feelings hurt by Trump.
This is exactly what I mean by just letting it lie basically. Why aren’t we as a society beating their doors down to get answers? We’ve invaded and occupied countries for killing 3500 Americans.Why do we have the NIH and NIAID funding work with a virology clinic in China that is doing work with viruses to increase pathogenicity and allowing the govt of China to not release some of that work partially funded by US taxpayers ?
Why do we have the NIH and NIAID funding work with a virology clinic in China that is doing work with viruses to increase pathogenicity and allowing the govt of China to not release some of that work partially funded by US taxpayers ?
We should be doing that here and not over there.We weren't able to do it here and Wuhan was available.
"If SARS-CoV-2 had a laboratory origin, it would have been amplified in a laboratory through a process of serial passage typically needed to recover high-titer stocks from environmental samples. In this process, the deletion of the furin cleavage site is expected, offering a signature of laboratory handling. However, early isolates of SARS-CoV-2 show the furin cleavage site to be intact, arguing against introduction into humans after laboratory cell culture."In 2017 an NIAID employee heard a low level employee at Wuhan say the lab was considering reverse engineering Ebola to study.
...
"... laboratory experiments would likely have included the adaptation of a virus in common laboratory animal models such as mice to study it with ease. Thus, a laboratory-derived virus released into the population would reasonably be expected to carry these adaptive markers in their genomes. However, early isolates of SARS-CoV-2 did not carry mutations that confer adaptation to common animal models,"
...
"Early cases in Wuhan involved two lineages, distinguishable by the viral genome sequence, suggesting that there were multiple events of spillover into humans. This situation is more likely to have resulted from zoonosis than a lab accident as lab accidents are relatively rare, and both lineages of SARS-CoV-2 were found in sequences from the Hunan market"
More:
28 March 2023
A Critical Analysis of the Evidence for the SARS-CoV-2 Origin Hypotheses
Authors: James C. Alwine, Arturo Casadevall, Lynn W. Enquist https://orcid.org/0000-0001-9968-8586, Felicia D. Goodrum https://orcid.org/0000-0002-6646-7290 fgoodrum@arizona.edu, Michael J. Imperiale
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/mbio.00583-23
In 2015-2020 the left snickered and sneered at the suggestion that manufacturing could be brought back home.
Outstanding revisionist history here. And cherry picking. Most of the talk centered on the economic headwinds and expensive domestic labor, not diplomatic strategies.
But like everything I’ve learned since, most of the left’s snickering and sneering at the time wasn’t fact based so much as a visceral snarling reaction to having their feelings hurt by Trump.
"The Left" - if they snickered, isn't any smarter than "The Mn" on his weird lab leak stuff.
The CHIPs act will be trumpeted high and wide, and it's cool if there are some good paying semiconductor jobs in PennOhitucky. But it doesn't untangle us from China. The chips currently manufactured at TSMC still go to China to be assembled, and there are other non TSMC parts that end up on those boards, the CHIPs act isn't covering capacitors, resistors, green plastic, etc...
The reasons that TSMC became the big merchant semi vendor are twofold. Back in the day, people who made chips all built their own fabs. My first job at DEC Hudson was in a facility where we designed the chips in one building and the Fab was next door. But back then, companies that fabricated parts were the only customer of the Fab, and the real margins that paid back the cost of the Fab was selling 200k computers to a bank and making endless streams of money in software and services. IBM, DEC, Wang, SUN, HP, etc...
The PC revolution flipped the script - where Intel was just making and selling chips, as was AMD and TI. These were huge companies selling big volumes to pay down the fab.
But the next revolution where you get things like iPhones and Garmin watches and the like - for a long time Apple didn't even design their own CPUs, let alone manufacture them. But the CPUs were designed by smaller companies that didn't own Fabs, who were more nimble as higher priced semiconductors started being placed into cars, phones, etc... But TI and Intel aren't merchant semiconductor vendors, they don't sell fab capacity, they sell chips.
To add to it, building a fab has gotten more expensive in the US because they aren't exactly the best neighbor. Like coal mines, they provide a lot of jobs but come with a lot of nasty cancer causing stuff. Costs, time, permitting. The time line to build a fab is long, the pay back period is long. The only way a new merchant fab happens in the US is with Government support (CHIPs act) and the happenstance that Intel, the US company with the best fab experience, is falling behind in the design space.
Don't think I'm correct? This guy knows what he's talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlUbILOx70Q&t=8s
Thousands of parts on our boards. EIGHT come from TSMC. So even if the H100s are made by Intel, they still get shipped to China and manufactured with a lot of other overseas parts.
"If SARS-CoV-2 had a laboratory origin, it would have been amplified in a laboratory through a process of serial passage typically needed to recover high-titer stocks from environmental samples. In this process, the deletion of the furin cleavage site is expected, offering a signature of laboratory handling. However, early isolates of SARS-CoV-2 show the furin cleavage site to be intact, arguing against introduction into humans after laboratory cell culture."Here is another "editorial" from the "A Critical Analysis ......" authors with 2 additional authors.
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"... laboratory experiments would likely have included the adaptation of a virus in common laboratory animal models such as mice to study it with ease. Thus, a laboratory-derived virus released into the population would reasonably be expected to carry these adaptive markers in their genomes. However, early isolates of SARS-CoV-2 did not carry mutations that confer adaptation to common animal models,"
...
"Early cases in Wuhan involved two lineages, distinguishable by the viral genome sequence, suggesting that there were multiple events of spillover into humans. This situation is more likely to have resulted from zoonosis than a lab accident as lab accidents are relatively rare, and both lineages of SARS-CoV-2 were found in sequences from the Hunan market"
More:
28 March 2023
A Critical Analysis of the Evidence for the SARS-CoV-2 Origin Hypotheses
Authors: James C. Alwine, Arturo Casadevall, Lynn W. Enquist https://orcid.org/0000-0001-9968-8586, Felicia D. Goodrum https://orcid.org/0000-0002-6646-7290 fgoodrum@arizona.edu, Michael J. Imperiale
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/mbio.00583-23
The world is a different more fractured place now. Labor is more expensive in Palo Alto than in Shanghai, but it's more expensive in Shanghai than it is in Youngstown Ohio.
Taiwan isn't China
slow clap
The point being made is that building manufacturing of semiconductors here instead of relying on TSMC is that there is a national security worry of China invading Taiwan and then being able to hold us hostage on our bleeding edge semis. (The real worry would be the fab gets damaged and there is no hostage left alive).
I agree with what Jamie Dimon said regarding that possibility. Without completely dismissing the possibility of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, he connected the dots that such an invasion would be very very bad for the Chinese economy, and thus he's not worried that Xi would destroy the Chinese economy by invading. There is no corollary to Ukraine - Russia's economic supply chain is not reliant on Ukraine (Russia's economy is basically selling fossil fuels, after all)
Xi has a lot of unemployed young men on his hands and a problem with outflowing capital. Who knows if he may do something stupid just to keep people preoccupied.
I thought Foxconn was a Wisconsin outfit
That was just a briefly incorporated arm put in place to take advantage of Scott Walker's idiocy
That was just a briefly incorporated arm put in place to take advantage of Scott Walker's idiocy
Can some liberal here explain this shit to me please?! I almost posted this in the clown thread…I better not try.
So just had a friend of mine say she was sick recently, and she’s a nurse at a hospital. The hospital requires her to take a COVID-19 test to check if she’s got it. She does, but isn’t running a fever, so she said they do not give time off anymore for it and just require her to still work, just that she has to wear a mask. If she doesn’t have sick time, they mandate you come in or you could lose your job. What the fuck?! Can some liberal here explain this shit to me please?! I almost posted this in the clown thread…
That is screwed up.
It’s just crazy that they go from firing you if you get COVID, don’t get the vaccine, and have to quarantine for at least 10-14 days. Now they refuse to let you miss time for work, have you just wear a mask (that doesn’t prevent anything) and interact will all kinds of old people at the hospital. No fever, get your ass in here! Crazy how things have changed. They say one of the reasons is they’re understaffed. That’s ironic huh?! Maybe they shouldn’t have forced all those people to get the jab and fired them! Fuckng idiots!
Just about everyone is understaffed in service industries.
But making someone in healthcare who is sick work is dumb. And counterproductive, one would think.
So just had a friend of mine say she was sick recently, and she’s a nurse at a hospital. The hospital requires her to take a COVID-19 test to check if she’s got it. She does, but isn’t running a fever, so she said they do not give time off anymore for it and just require her to still work, just that she has to wear a mask. If she doesn’t have sick time, they mandate you come in or you could lose your job. What the fuck?! Can some liberal here explain this shit to me please?! I almost posted this in the clown thread…
Wow. If I was fired because I stayed home from work due to being Covid+, I would think legal action could be taken.
PAMan?
So just had a friend of mine say she was sick recently, and she’s a nurse at a hospital. The hospital requires her to take a COVID-19 test to check if she’s got it. She does, but isn’t running a fever, so she said they do not give time off anymore for it and just require her to still work, just that she has to wear a mask. If she doesn’t have sick time, they mandate you come in or you could lose your job. What the fuck?! Can some liberal here explain this shit to me please?! I almost posted this in the clown thread…
So just had a friend of mine say she was sick recently, and she’s a nurse at a hospital. The hospital requires her to take a COVID-19 test to check if she’s got it. She does, but isn’t running a fever, so she said they do not give time off anymore for it and just require her to still work, just that she has to wear a mask. If she doesn’t have sick time, they mandate you come in or you could lose your job. What the fuck?! Can some liberal here explain this shit to me please?! I almost posted this in the clown thread…
That’s what I was thinking when she told me that. I honestly couldn’t believe what she was telling me after what they did the last couple years regarding Covid. Like a complete 180.
Occam's razor. Your friend tells you something unbelievable - they are probably lying
Well, damn I don’t believe anything you say at all. Thanks! I’ll keep that in mind going forward with anything you post!
Is your friend named "Tempo34"?
I kid, Tempo, I kid....
Well, damn I don’t believe anything you say at all. Thanks! I’ll keep that in mind going forward with anything you post!
I'm not your friend.
But am I lying about that?
I'm not your friend.
But am I lying about that?
I believe you too. Im not yours either.
I also believe that you’re a little bitch. I’m not lying about that.
Judy Sheindlin/Height
5′ 1″
https://t.co/6biIvsIWP3
I remember somebody getting ridiculed over suggesting something like this.
Who?The guy who 4 judges, in their effort to protect their democracy, removed from the ballot by declaring him guilty of insurrection.
https://t.co/6biIvsIWP3
I remember somebody getting ridiculed over suggesting something like this.
Treating inflammation is not the same as a cure.
It is great that this thread is still going.You're probably just waiting to drop the ones about Daszak and Baric talking about saying the work will be done at a BSL3 lab in N Carolina to get the funding and then they could ship some of the work to a BSL2 in Wuhan.
It is great that this thread is still going.99.9999% of the world thinks the pandemic is over and wants to get on with their lives.
99.9999% of the world thinks the pandemic is over and wants to get on with their lives.
00.0001% of the world is Mn
At least Mn isn’t letting China off the hook for millions of deaths like you commie sympathizers!It's a dirty job but somebody's got to do it. :D
Is your friend named "Tempo34"?
I kid, Tempo, I kid....
So are we now admitting that millions died from Covid? This is progress.
My sister’s close friend from high school died on Xmas Eve.
Complications from COVID with fentanyl addiction as a co morbidity.
Or as Mn would say “she died with COVID” and Tempo would say “she died with a fentanyl addiction”
Who’s to blame - the commies or the illegals?
So are we now admitting that millions died from Covid? This is progress.
That’s the funny part. It seems many left leaning people often cite really high death numbers and clutch their pearls about anything Covid related, but don’t you dare try to figure out where it came from! Doing any research or trying to find answers makes someone a wing nut conspiracy theorist!
Millions dead.
Virus may have come from a US funded research lab in China.
Patience!
And, in the meantime, definitely mock anyone who gives the slightest fuck about what’s going on in the background.
Millions dead.
Virus may have come from a US funded research lab in China.
Patience
And, in the meantime, definitely mock anyone who gives the slightest fuck about what’s going on in the background.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2305081
If I killed your wife/mother/father/sibling/etc…, I could tell you why it’s important and why it’s not as well. So fucking stupid. It’s sure as hell not gonna stop the cops from finding out…
Strawman Alert.
As I said before, we should let the scientists do their work to find the answers. We should also work to secure the cooperation of the Chinese government.
However, that shouldn't stop governments worldwide from taking action now to minimize the potential for another pandemic. That would include stricter regulations for lab safety/research as well as for wet markets and the wildlife trade.
We will never know unless China decides to cooperate fully. That will not happen in an atmospheric of mutual fear, hatred, and distrust.
And because they are fucking Commie assholes.
And because we are greedy lying ass capitalist pigs..
The Wuhan Flu didn't start here though.
Wish me luck friends my trip to Springfield is now a Superspreader! That’s what we get for letting someone come from Joe Biden’s hellhole of Washington DC!
It’s was kinda funny sad being back in Illinois this last week and hearing people still fretting about Covid. On the radio. TV. In conversations in public places. Advertisements and billboards.To try to keep people like you, and others, from thinking about how we got to here. Lol
It’s was kinda funny sad being back in Illinois this last week and hearing people still fretting about Covid. On the radio. TV. In conversations in public places. Advertisements and billboards.
many people now view Covid as a minor inconvenience like the flu.
It’s was kinda funny sad being back in Illinois this last week and hearing people still fretting about Covid. On the radio. TV. In conversations in public places. Advertisements and billboards.
You're a victim of confirmation bias here. For decades, there have been PSAs about getting your flu shot. They just go in one ear and out the other for the most part... from a research standpoint they know that those PSAs move the needle just a couple percent - some subset of people who think "Yes, I want to get a flu shot" but who might not because they forget or it's a hassle, are either reminded or find out that it's easy or free and go do get one. Maybe some people who don't really think about it decide to go get one. And that tiny uptick can have a measurable impact on overall public goodness, X number of people don't get the flu (or bad symptoms) and that has a Y% reduced impact on the health care system, on productivity for workers, etc...
So now that COVID is not really "that big a deal" in that most people have either been vaccinated, had COVID, or died from COVID, the societal impacts are smaller, and it's more like "the flu", and is being treated like the flu in that it's rolling into the same sort of PSAs that you used to ignore, but now you notice because of the recent history of COVID in the zeitgeist
I don’t really think that’s it. Definitely a difference in the way certain areas/health systems are pushing Covid vaccinations/boosters. And it’s definitely along political lines.
Now Alum and Ray will tell you that Covid awareness and prevention is a good thing, and it is. There’s also the cynical side of me that understands the big corporations know people in blue states have been scared to death by their fear propaganda and it’s easy money to keep them on the hook.
There’s also thecynicalconspiracy side of me that understands the big corporations know people in blue states have been scared to death by their fear propaganda and it’s easy money to keep them on the hook.
FTFY
I don’t really think that’s it. Definitely a difference in the way certain areas/health systems are pushing Covid vaccinations/boosters. And it’s definitely along political lines.
There’s also thecynicalconspiracy side of me that understands the big corporations know people in blue states have been scared to death by their fear propaganda and it’s easy money to keep them on the hook.
FTFY
You're wrong.
From 2007-2019, every single year, I would be headed to the company cafeteria and see that there was a line of people getting flu shots. Oh yeah, the free flu shot day is here. Was just a company "perk" (or as MN would say, a company control mechanism to mess up our precious bodily fluids). I'd get my shot and never think about it again - but the availability and PR campaigns were always there. When you go to Xmas, you didn't tell a story of how you were at CVS to get your flu shot, and ran into Timmy, you just told a story about running into Timmy, because getting the flu wasn't really anything we spend societal mental energy on. And if for some reason I mentioned getting a flu shot, it probably wouldn't cause any additional conversation, it would just drift away. Meanwhile when my Nephew got COVID at Xmas, we probably wasted hours of conversational time on "I was gonna get a booster but" "Oh I got the booster" "I figured I got it this summer so I wasn't gonna go out of my way".
COVID is a proper noun, flu is a noun. We *notice* the outreach more.
This said, I would not be shocked if higher levels of funding are being put into PSAs for COVID than Flu shots got. And when I heard an ad on the radio the other day about Social Distancing I admittedly laughed. I do give the side eye to anyone coughing and hacking in public, but the only real social distancing I note these days is people with those damn little dogs that always bark at my normal sized dog. I walk straight at them and laugh as they cross the street or pick up their annoying fleabag.
Yeah I bet those mega corporations don’t have any good data on where to spend their marketing budget.
Your sick nephew tale is actually a great example of what I’m talking about because ain’t nobody testing and masking and distancing in less sophisticated parts of the country. (Which is probably why Alum has reports of cases on the rise.) So just hearing a conversation like yours is kind of jarring.
Nobody I know in IL is talking about COVID. Nor are my relatives and friends in CA, NY and AZ.
You are making up shit just to do a little trolling around here.
I’d wager the people leading the discussion on how to handle the situation were from the Bay Area.
Besides, it was actually central IL/borderline NE IL where I encountered this phenomenon. Champaign TV and radio is chock full of Covid stuff. At least compared to what I am used to.
I knew it was in that weird sandy no man’s land between B-N, Spfld and Peorrhea. I have former in-laws in Green Valley and still laugh about how they pronounce San Jose. It’s hard for me to believe that you of all people married someone from that area.
Burying the lede with the mention of the AirBnB in Lincoln. Did they rent a room in Jasn's trailer?
I feel like this is a lie. I can't imagine anyone would actually offer an AirBnB in Lincoln.
Besides Murph's family, who thinks staying in an AirBnB in Lincoln is a good idea?
https://www.airbnb.com/lincoln-il/stays
I knew it was in that weird sandy no man’s land between B-N, Spfld and Peorrhea. I have former in-laws in Green Valley and still laugh about how they pronounce San Jose. It’s hard for me to believe that you of all people married someone from that area.
I’d wager the people leading the discussion on how to handle the situation were from the Bay Area.
Besides, it was actually central IL/borderline NE IL where I encountered this phenomenon. Champaign TV and radio is chock full of Covid stuff. At least compared to what I am used to.
My friends have seen a few people (usually one or two) in the grocery stores and pharmacies wearing masks (mostly seniors), but nothing out of the ordinary.
I spoke to two friends in Champaign today. I asked if there was much chatter about COVID in the community. Both said no; people have moved on.
One mentioned that there were news reports in September 2023 about rising COVID rates across East Central Illinois, but not at the same levels as previous years. There were also reports in August about the rollout of the latest COVID vaccines.
In November, the local health department reported that seasonal respiratory illnesses were on the rise, with medical professionals recommending that people get vaccinated ahead of the Thanksgiving Holiday. My friends have seen a few people (usually one or two) in the grocery stores and pharmacies wearing masks (mostly seniors), but nothing out of the ordinary. They also haven’t seen any recent news reports on hospitalizations.
I can respect MN’s interest in finding the origin of COVID, though we disagree about the best method for doing that. However, you’ve been gaslighting us on COVID since the beginning of the pandemic. You’re not fooling anybody here.
I’m grateful your friends in C-U could weigh in on the difference between the amount of Covid related messaging in C-U versus where I live and settle this once and for all.
My early takes on Covid have stood the test of time. Meanwhile I’ve watched people move the goalposts constantly in regards to expectations for the vaccine, masking, lockdown, etc. Not because data or science changed, but because they need to support their narrative.It’s insanity.
One of my favorites is how the whole lockdown/vaccine/mask obsessed crowd completely memory holed the bullshit vaccine transmission rate effectiveness and magically refocused solely on severity of infection.
It’s like a weird reverse Mandela Effect phenomenon. What? THAT never happened!
Tested negative for Covid, but have a terrible virus that’s been going around. It’s kicking my ass and currently soaked in bed with a fever.
Tested negative for Covid, but have a terrible virus that’s been going around. It’s kicking my ass and currently soaked in bed with a fever.Wear a mask or two, that should help.
Tested negative for Covid, but have a terrible virus that’s been going around. It’s kicking my ass and currently soaked in bed with a fever.
Dementia isn't actually a virus
Mn! You see this one?Hadn't seen it, but not much is new.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12934205/us-scientists-talks-batwoman-shi-zhengli-wuhan-covid.html
Mn! You see this one?(https://i.ibb.co/XkrZS5D/Screenshot-20240107-202747.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TqxBm01)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12934205/us-scientists-talks-batwoman-shi-zhengli-wuhan-covid.html
ThePAMan ! You see this one ?
Very encouraging if you're into this kind of stuff.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.01.03.574008v1
I know I do not like mice!It'S nOT thEiR FaULt tHaT TheY wErE HuMAniZED.
Here you go, Mn...Hey, thanks.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12969105/chinese-scientists-lab-coronavirus-kill-rate-mice.html
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/chinese-lab-mapped-deadly-coronavirus-two-weeks-before-beijing-told-the-world-documents-show-9bca8865
Can't trust the Commies. Never could.
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/chinese-lab-mapped-deadly-coronavirus-two-weeks-before-beijing-told-the-world-documents-show-9bca8865
Can't trust the Commies. Never could.
Those Commies are in a world of trouble: horrific levels of pollution, increased government restraints on private businesses, large-scale movement of people from rural communities to the cities, collapsed housing market and declining birth rates.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/aug/11/china-economic-problems-show-things-are-seriously-amiss
Those Commies are in a world of trouble: horrific levels of pollution, increased government restraints on private businesses, large-scale movement of people from rural communities to the cities, collapsed housing market and declining birth rates.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/aug/11/china-economic-problems-show-things-are-seriously-amiss
so communism doesn't work? wow this is such shocking news
Capitalism doesn't work either.
Capitalism doesn't work either.
Whataboutism is where it’s at
Never been really tried.
Neither has pure socialism.National Socialism spoiled it for everyone else.
National Socialism spoiled it for everyone else.
Not even remotely the same thing. Hitler's contemporaries probably weren't fooled. The national socialists were anti-jewish, not anti-free markets.
Capitalism doesn't work either.
Not even remotely the same thing. Hitler's contemporaries probably weren't fooled. The national socialists were anti-jewish, not anti-free markets.
They were anti communist
Here you go, Mn...Note the date on this.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12969105/chinese-scientists-lab-coronavirus-kill-rate-mice.html
Here you go, Mn...I did post regarding this 10 days earlier.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12969105/chinese-scientists-lab-coronavirus-kill-rate-mice.html
ThePAMan ! You see this one ?
Very encouraging if you're into this kind of stuff.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.01.03.574008v1
Note the date on this.
Richard H. Ebright
@R_H_Ebright
Timeline is incorrect.
Virus genome was sequenced on December 24-27, and analysis of genome sequence showed virus was new coronavirus related to, but different from, SARS-CoV on December 27.
web.archive.org
独家|新冠病毒基因测序溯源：警报是何时拉响的
新冠病毒的分离、检测和基因测序，正是了解和判断新冠病疫传染力及危害性的基础。这一研究是何时、如何开始的？1月11日，停止更新多日的武汉卫健委通报，第一次将“不明原因的病毒性肺炎”更名为“新型冠状病毒感染的肺炎”，称截至2020年1月10日24时，初步诊断有新冠肺炎病例41例
3:02 AM · Apr 2, 2020
ThePAMan. I quoted the wrong post from you. I meant to quote your post from yesterday that generated your can't trust the Commies post.
I need to brush up on my Chinese apparentlyYou can click on the translate option
I need to brush up on my Chinese apparentlyI found it to be much easier to use the translate option.
You can click on the translate optionI found it to be much easier to use the translate option.
Why you think so many people are flooding America?!
It's the best system invented by far in human history but ok
2 of the 3 guys around here who want to let Putin "get the band back together" explaining why that is a bad idea is awesome.
The best system by far in terms of human health, happiness, education, and so on is social democracy -- a mix of free markets and central planning; private and public enterprise.
I was at an international conference last week with a bunch of businessmen from Ukraine. I thought it was awesome they were able to escape their besiegement and fly to the US to drink top shelf whisky and eat prime rib for a week and then head back home.
Commerce doesn't stop because there is a war. As we found out in the 1940s when it dragged us out of The Depression. Neither does boozing.
Couldn’t agree more. These guys were far less concerned about it than people on this board. They were actually kind of shocked at how concerned everyone was.
One of them told me all his checks were signed with red white and blue ink. I think he meant he had one of those 6 color ink pens from the early 90s.
Much like Tempo likes to hate on Christianity because a few bad actors or stuff that happened hundreds of years ago, Nichi likes to hate on capitalism because some bad actors totally abused their power during the Industrial Revolution and well into the 1900s.
There have been and always will be opportunities for hustlers in this country.
I could never get those pens to work for very long, for some reason.
One of them told me all his checks were signed with red white and blue ink. I think he meant he had one of those 6 color ink pens from the early 90s.Good one.
The best system by far in terms of human health, happiness, education, and so on is social democracy -- a mix of free markets and central planning; private and public enterprise.
None of them were going to have huge problems if their ventures failed.
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/chinese-lab-mapped-deadly-coronavirus-two-weeks-before-beijing-told-the-world-documents-show-9bca8865Apparently the person who mapped the coronavirus 2 weeks before Beijing told the world the coronavirus genome was a sub-grantee of Daszak's and working at the Institute of Pathogen Biology of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences in Beijing on the Fauci funded grant, Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence.
Can't trust the Commies. Never could.
Meanwhile, government can go places, do things, and take risks the private sector can't or won't.
Government funds some silly shit. Taxes and regulations can be a pain in the neck, but on balance we benefit.
Also, big private enterprise probably has too much power to avoid regulation and gets away with a lot.
Like developing The COVID!If nobody at the lab got infected while working on developing a vaccine for a disease that the world may never have seen in our life times, then everything could have been profitable for Big Pharma and those receiving royalties.
Every bug is perfectly suited for an mRNA vaccine.
What does this mean
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/12/21/2023-27935/institutional-review-board-waiver-or-alteration-of-informed-consent-for-minimal-risk-clinical
Thanks, Trump!The mRNA and J&J Covid vaccines were authorized for emergency use in the US by the FDA, nonetheless I don't think the Astra-Zeneca vaccine was ever authorized for US use.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/ar-BB1iuvvi
Largest Covid Vaccine Study Yet Finds Links to Health Conditions
The mRNA and J&J Covid vaccines were authorized for emergency use in the US by the FDA, nonetheless I don't think the Astra-Zeneca vaccine was ever authorized for US use.
I seem to remember when people questioning myocarditis and the use of vaccines in healthy teenagers were labeled as vaccine deniers.
Mad scientists were working on Covid vaccines before Covid leaked out of a Wuhan lab.
But carry on.
The FDA: I t will take 75 years to respond to a FOiA request to supply the safety data.
The judge: no it won't.
The mRNA and J&J Covid vaccines were authorized for emergency use in the US by the FDA, nonetheless I don't think the Astra-Zeneca vaccine was ever authorized for US use.
I seem to remember when people questioning myocarditis and the use of vaccines in healthy teenagers were labeled as vaccine deniers.
Mad scientists were working on Covid vaccines before Covid leaked out of a Wuhan lab.
But carry on.
Sounds like it was Trump's plan to kill kids as they are libruls.Setting the kids back in school, not to mention the kids with vaccine side effects, will undoubtedly do the kids wonders.
Setting the kids back in school, not to mention the kids with vaccine side effects, will undoubtedly do the kids wonders.
Setting the kids back in school, not to mention the kids with vaccine side effects, will undoubtedly do the kids wonders.
You fucking tell ‘em Dr. Phil!!
https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1762217670655799688?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2311330
Must be true, as we have seen the reduced cognitive ability due to The Long COVID here.
Just because Judy posts something stupid doesn't mean it's long COVID reducing cognitive ability. She's been posting dumb crap since day 1.
She's the Coleman Hawkins vs Penn State of posters.
Vacation is over for Murph, it appears.
I wouldn't put too much into this.
The virus that arose from a zoonotic origin and developed a pathogenicity rather quickly is slowly mutating to be less virulent.
Sounds good, eh ? :D
Tongue-in-cheek enough.
Are you going to do advance registration or roll the dice on a walk-in?
Already have the flu shot. Did get The COVID "Vaccine" in September, if I recall properly. Don't know if need a booster or not. I'll defer to the HQ2 The COVID medical professionals.
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Um...
Hey, thanks for the link. I can't make it but there is a 1:15 available if you want to get another booster.
A clinic will be administering updated COVID-19 and flu vaccines to anyone, including members of the general public in the lobby of the Dirksen Courthouse on March 6, 2024, from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. No insurance is necessary. Advance registration is encouraged, but walk-ins will be accommodated.
http://tinyurl.com/55rk523k
I can’t find the exact sequence but it went like this:
Custard, circa Dec 2021:
“It’s endemic and it isn’t going away any time soon, perhaps never. We will end up treating it like the flu and just living with it.”
I can’t find the exact sequence but it went like this:
Custard, circa Dec 2021:
“It’s endemic and it isn’t going away any time soon, perhaps never. We will end up treating it like the flu and just living with it.”
Robb, snarling:
“Fuck you. You’re spreading misinformation.”
...
By Ask the Doctors
https://www.uclahealth.org/news/covid-19-moves-pandemic-endemic-chapter
Custard is, was and always has been an AOTC eXpERT.
"But given the high levels of transmissibility of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, some experts consider COVID to be endemic already."
From UCLAhealth.org also, in Jan 2022. Lol
https://www.uclahealth.org/news/when-does-a-pandemic-become-endemic-and-what-is-the-difference
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"Some" experts is not how it works. World and national public health agencies look at all the data and consult with each other before making such a determination.
Hey, thanks for the link. I can't make it but there is a 1:15 available if you want to get another booster.
C'mon down. Buy you lunch and beer at The Berghof.Thanks for a reminder of the old days. Meeting lawyer friends or co-workers and finding space at the bar for beer and maybe a knockwurst.
C'mon down. Buy you lunch and beer at The Berghof.
According to my loved ones, I’m annoyingly practical. I’d have to agree.
In late 2021, the virus was practically endemic, but perhaps not technically.
A lot of people were still convinced we could squash the virus if the Trumpers would just get the jab and mask up, and were angered by the suggestion that the fight was already over.
There is a new flu shot annually, and it was never very controversial. So... the loonies are not treating it like the flu.
The loonies don’t get flu shots either
A lot of people were still convinced we could squash the virus if the Trumpers would just get the jab and mask up, and were angered by the suggestion that the fight was already over.
Lots of good points being made by both sides. Both sides have good people amongst them.
And some, I assume, are rapists and murderers.
So Democrat policy disproportionately harmed black families?
Great Society = Covid Lockdowns are a match!
Why exactly were those black families in that position to accrue greater harm?
Pretty much anyone who was poor had kids who languished.
So GOP policies that keep people poor is the real issue.
Wild.
https://x.com/drewholden360/status/1770208907194982531?s=46
During that period they were using vehicles on the streets as portable morgues in NYC. The first bad month or two of COVID was pretty bad in the areas where cases were skyrocketing. Even in a world where the media was more measured, there was gonna be hysteria.
Shelter in place coming to Illinois tomorrow4 years ago.
A bunch of those little coronaviruses snuck out of that lab in Wuhan, and look where we are now.Less than 4 years ago
Less than 4 years agoYou were AOTC. Unlike Tempo, The COVID only made you stronger.
You were AOTC. Unlike Tempo, The COVID only made you stronger.I haven't had the Covid that I know of.
Less than 4 years ago
And the source of the virus still remains a mystery.
https://www.newsweek.com/covid-lab-leak-theory-resurfaces-controversial-study-1877997
As Prasad says, everyone should get somewhat of a pass for policy decisions during the 1st few months of the pandemic. The world was hit with the consequences of gain of function research and did not know how to respond.
A bunch of those little coronaviruses snuck out of that lab in Wuhan, and look where we are now.
How can there be accountability when Alum and Ray and their cohorts are the real life version of the shruggy emoji?Our agencies might fight FOIA tooth and nail, but China don't do FOIA. 😂😂
“My news told me it came from wet market but even in the unlikely event it did come from the lab we need China to cooperate so I guess we’ll never know, oh well, gosh”
Then you’ve got dumb fuck Robb who says it doesn’t even matter where it came from yet he’s still masked up in his basement and it’s all he can talk about on Twitter.
Claiming AOTC status on The COVID and how to handle it.
Our agencies might fight FOIA tooth and nail, but China don't do FOIA. 😂😂
Then you’ve got dumb fuck Robb who says it doesn’t even matter where it came from yet he’s still masked up in his basement and it’s all he can talk about on Twitter.
The source of COVID-19 still remains a scientific mystery. Both the lab and market origin theories remain on the table. Unfortunately the question of where COVID came from has also been politicized in both China and the U.S.
You fucking tell ‘em Dr. Phil!!
https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1762217670655799688?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
You
1) still use twitter and
2) Follow Robb's tweets
Turns out you are not AOTC
Mn, think Fauci is involved (again)?Nah. There are probably no royalties or claim to fame in developing and marketing biowarfare.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13315823/North-Korea-viruses-bacteria-germ-warfare.html
Yeah I’m not triggered by Elon Musk and there is still some good content
I’ve checked on him twice since he left the board. Yikes.
We should probably be more triggered by Elon Musk, myself included. I think I’ll check on Robb today.
There is definitely more readily available porn and onlyfans adds on there. So we have that going for us which is nice.
Seriously. Twitter is garbage now. It's become increasingly more difficult to sort through the bullshit from what I actually want to see.
That's true of the Internet in general..
There is definitely more readily available porn and onlyfans adds on there. So we have that going for us which is nice.
Seriously. Twitter is garbage now. It's become increasingly more difficult to sort through the bullshit from what I actually want to see.
Twitter has some absolutely vile content on it now, all I see is wild and crazy shit when I go on there, and its pretty gross. I'm not engaging with any of it and its still forced my way. The amount of porn bots, and then when you try and read comments it gives you 8 billion unrelated things and ads, fuck that place, talk about a waste of internet.
Yeah, that's another thing I've noticed. Reading the comments, and all of a sudden there's an onlyfans skank with her pussy in my face.
And, why do people pay for onlyfans? Why do you want to pay some bitch to see her finger herself? There are so many free porn outlets on the internet now.
People are mostly mad that Twitter is no longer a propaganda arm for Democrats and he’s expressed strong opinions that are at odds with the Biden administration’s policies.
There is definitely more readily available porn and onlyfans adds on there. So we have that going for us which is nice.
Seriously. Twitter is garbage now. It's become increasingly more difficult to sort through the bullshit from what I actually want to see.
The gain of function research would leave no signatures of what ?
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https://nypost.com/2024/04/19/us-news/fbi-got-tip-that-fauci-funded-virus-research-at-wuhan-lab-would-leave-no-trace-of-human-manipulation/?
"Human manipulation." It says it in the redacted document, Mn!I was trying to say the "no signatures of purposeful human manipulation" in the FBI emails doesn't necessarily sound too good.
Judicial Watch
NY Post
Usual suspects
"Trump committed no crimes, and this is a prosecution about nothing. These and other Democratic Party political prosecutions of Trump are an abomination under law and are destabilizing to our nation." -- Judicial Watch on the 'Hush Money’ TrialWhat does somebody's opinion on the Trump trial have to do with FOIA'd emails, gain of function research and the FBI ?
What does somebody's opinion on the Trump trial have to do with FOIA'd emails, gain of function research and the FBI ?
Don't know. But Trump allegedly farting in court all the time may have something to do with the COVID.Got a link ? !!!!!!
Don't know. But Trump allegedly farting in court all the time may have something to do with the COVID.
What does somebody's opinion on the Trump trial have to do with FOIA'd emails, gain of function research and the FBI ?
Don't know. But Trump allegedly farting in court all the time may have something to do with the COVID.
Got a link ? !!!!!!
https://lamag.com/politics/something-stinks-about-donald-trumps-trial-it-might-be-trump
Sources in the courtroom are reporting that the former president is farting during his criminal proceeding
I'm not gonna point fingers here. He who smelt it dealt it!
"Common-cold CoVs, SARS-CoV, Ebola virus, HIV, influenza A virus, mpox virus, and others all have zoonotic origins (31,–33). SARS-CoV-2 is the ninth documented coronavirus to enter the human population. The best existing scientific evidence supports a direct zoonotic origin."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10117112/#:~:text=Common%2Dcold%20CoVs%2C%20SARS%2D,supports%20a%20direct%20zoonotic%20origin.
Your sources suck
Did you read it?Or you could disregard the source of the information and consider what is said in the FBI emails, and that in April 2020 the FBI was using gain of function terminology and mentioning the means of masking the work being done.
'The five-pages of emails were obtained by conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch via a Freedom of Information Act request and released Friday.
“These smoking gun documents showed the FBI quickly understood that Fauci’s agency funded the gain-of-function research that could disguise the resulting coronavirus as ‘natural,’” Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said in a statement."
Nothing from Fitton's mouth means anything. It appears nobody has covered this latest except the NY Post, Newsmax, and Judicial Watch..
Look at you defending Trump! Must have TDS!
Trump Dump Syndrome?
You don't have to agree with Fitton's comments, but I'm not sure that the FBI emails should be dismissed on the basis of who releases the FOIA'd emails.
What's the context? What's the rest of the story? Judicial Watch thinks this is some kind of smoking gun. Newsmax and the NY Post think it's newsworthy.The context ?
Where is Forbes? National Review?
I don’t know what the appropriate amount to freak out over this is, but I think it’s way more than Trump wants us to freak out, and probably less than some other people do. This isn’t Ebola, but it seems to be passed pretty easily. We have had just over 100 cases in the US, and 6 people have died. That may not seem like a lot, but if 10 million people get it, that’s over a half a million deaths. Most of us will know someone who died from the corona virus if it gets to that point.
The context ?
What if grant work, not properly reported or monitored, that involves gain of function research and the ability to mask human manipulation and being done with virologists of our primary adversary in their labs was not the wisest move ?
What if there is more to the story than what Judicial Watch released?Are you referring to the impact of covid on the world ?
Any response from actual qualified scientists?
Are you referring to the impact of covid on the world ?
Are you referring to Ralph Baric ? I assume he was the 1st to mention his "no see em" technology.
No. A response by qualified scientists to what Judicial Watch said some FBI agents said and the the NY Post reported. This alleged smoking gun.Short of writing an opinion piece for Nature maybe it's best the qualified scientists not say a thing about masking human manipulation of viruses.
The scientists had already spoken.
From Nov 2015 ...
"According to Baric, the risk of "gain-of-function" research is worth it. The findings could provide a way to create vaccines and immunotherapy treatments before the next epidemic strikes."
https://www.vice.com/en/article/wnxqnm/ethical-questions-arise-after-scientists-brew-super-powerful-sars-20-virus
But if it's after the next epidemic strikes, the pangolin may be to blame.
There’s been an ongoing debate about the efficacy of gain of function studies since 2011. It was a hot topic before COVID-19. Some scientists think the benefits outweigh the risks. Others are not so certain. I have no problem if policymakers want to scale back or curtail federal funding for GOF studies.
However, we don’t know if the GOF experiments in Wuhan were manipulating coronaviruses known to affect people. We don’t know if the manipulated pathogens were responsible for the pandemic, something that even Rand Paul has recognized.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/20/if-anybody-is-lying-here-senator-it-is-you-fauci-tells-sen-paul-in-heated-exchange-at-senate-hearing.html
The lab leak theory is a collection of theories. Yes, COVID-19 may be the result of a GOF experiment. But’s it’s also plausible, perhaps more so, that a natural virus escaped from the WIV research lab due to a safety or engineering failure.
Obviously none of these people have ever watched The Stand.
Mn relying on NPR! Next thing you know Alum will be linking to the Washington Times!It's the 1st one that popped up goggling Baric H5N1.
https://www.the-express.com/news/health/136462/texas-dairy-farm-worker-first-photo-bleeding-eyeballs
Can we blame Fauci, Baric, Daszak, and the Chinese Commies for The Bird Flu?
Build a wall around Texas!
Not a bad idea since we stole it from Mexico.
https://x.com/i/status/1791127727552221247
We will likely never know the origin of Covid because the scientists in China won't cooperate. Lol
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Cheers
https://x.com/i/status/1791127727552221247We likely will never know the origin of Covid because the scientists in China won't cooperate.
We will likely never know the origin of Covid because the scientists in China won't cooperate. Lol
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Cheers
We likely will never know the origin of Covid because the scientists in China won't cooperate.
;D
Fortunately, the nice FOIA lady was able to inform David Morens how to delete Foia requested documents before the conspiracy theorists were able to get their mitts on the documents.
And Morens' emails to Daszak and Peter Hotez stressed deleting emails and how to get information to Fauci using non-government email accounts or other means so as to not leave a paper trail.
Then there is the email to Daszak asking about a kickback.
Cheers
Trump paid off Xi to hide the results since it points back to Trump.
Mn, will you have your popcorn ready and CSPAN on when Fauci testifies today?'I don't remember.'
'I don't remember.'
'Not that I recall.'
It's not being shown on my CSPAN.
I saw that "Mr. Fauci" loves to torture beagles! What does MTG think of Kristi Noem?Noem is a farm girl, not a mad scientist.
Noem is a farm girl, not a mad scientist.
Fauci is not considered a scientist, per what I saw today.You have a point there.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/04/covid-vaccines-may-have-helped-fuel-rise-in-excess-deaths/
Covid vaccines may have helped fuel rise in excess deaths
Covid vaccines could be partly to blame for the rise in excess deaths since the pandemic, scientists have suggested.
Researchers from The Netherlands analysed data from 47 Western countries and discovered there had been more than three million excess deaths since 2020, with the trend continuing despite the rollout of vaccines and containment measures.
Citation, please.
We’ll need the cooperation of the Chinese government to ever know the truth about Covid.
Something about the 9th Circuit Court in a Los Angeles Unified School District case over the employee vaccination mandate ruling that the mRNA vaccine is a treatment rather than a vaccine.
🤔
Did I post something way back when about the CDC changing the definition of "vaccine" with respect to "immunity" ?
I took the vaccine and its updated versions to prepare my immune system to fight the virus and help avoid the more severe health effects if I became infected. After talking to my doctor and listening to medical experts, I recognized the vaccines may not completely prevent infection.How old is this article ?
And scientists are still trying to sort out whether the COVID vaccines slow the transmission. According to the John Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center, the vaccines are “likely to reduce the risk of virus transmission but probably not completely in everyone.”
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/vaccines-faq#:~:text=We%20are%20still%20learning%20whether,probably%20not%20completely%20in%20everyone
So, if I become infected, I will stay home and away from others.
It was based on data that John Hopkins was reviewing through 03-10-2023.The JHU FYI says they stopped collecting data then.
And yes, the jury is still out on the issue of transmission.
The JHU FYI says they stopped collecting data then.
The article appears to be late 2020 or early 2021.
The conclusions are still relevant. The science is still evolving as we learn more. The answer may be somewhere in the middle.Nonetheless, your decision to get vaccinated appears to be a personal choice.
It doesn't change the bottom line for me: preventing severe illness and hospitalization was the primary goal for taking the vaccine. And I knew that if I became infected, I would stay home. That's still the case today.
Nonetheless, your decision to get vaccinated appears to be a personal choice.
That is quite a bit different than vaccine mandates with respect to maintaining employment, which the court case mentioned earlier was about.
The CDC changed the definition of "vaccination" entirely in Sept 2021 from providing "immunity" to providing "protection".
The "immunity" descriptive no longer fit the mandated "vaccine" yet the LAUSD mandate didn't end until Sept 2023.
These alt-righters were expecting transactional immunity from the vaccine. Fauci only promised use immunity.
It was based on data that John Hopkins was reviewing through 03-10-2023.
And yes, the jury is still out on the issue of transmission.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/04/covid-vaccines-may-have-helped-fuel-rise-in-excess-deaths/
Covid vaccines may have helped fuel rise in excess deaths
Covid vaccines could be partly to blame for the rise in excess deaths since the pandemic, scientists have suggested.
Researchers from The Netherlands analysed data from 47 Western countries and discovered there had been more than three million excess deaths since 2020, with the trend continuing despite the rollout of vaccines and containment measures.
Update:
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-06-11/how-a-blunder-by-a-respected-medical-journal-is-fueling-an-anti-vaccine-lie
Update:
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-06-11/how-a-blunder-by-a-respected-medical-journal-is-fueling-an-anti-vaccine-lie
Update:
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-06-11/how-a-blunder-by-a-respected-medical-journal-is-fueling-an-anti-vaccine-lie
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If people like you were around when I was a kid; we'd still be dealing with small pox and polio.When you were a kid, I would like to think that virologists weren't doing gain of function research experimentation in communist countries with the funding agencies claiming they didn't know what was going on in that communist country.
Actually, there were people who opposed vaccines -- lunatic fringe nuts. Most lined up to get their shots.
When you were a kid, I would like to think that virologists weren't doing gain of function research experimentation in communist countries with the funding agencies claiming they didn't know what was going on in that communist country.
So you're saying, if polio were created via gain of function research, you would have refused the vaccine?
If it was created in China, no, he would not.
If people like you were around when I was a kid; we'd still be dealing with small pox and polio.
Actually, there were people who opposed vaccines -- lunatic fringe nuts. Most lined up to get their shots.
Good one.
Actually, I don’t think smallpox and polio vaccines were experimental vaccines with limited manufacturer funded/conducted studies subsequently mandated or quasi mandated for millions of healthy people who were at low risk and in many cases already had documented natural protection from having had previous infection. Add in the massive coordinated fear/shame/threat campaign from the media/vaccine makers and the dubious nature of the virus itself, and you’d have to be a fool not to question it. I really wish I hadn’t buckled to the BS pressure campaign and gotten the vax.
It’s absolutely nothing like Polio or smallpox and you know it.
Gotta love a man who trusts 1952's technology over 2021. Leeches weren't experimental either!
Seems like it worked well here in the States!
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covid-propaganda/
Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic
Seems like it worked well here in the States!There's no U-turn on this.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covid-propaganda/
Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic
There's no U-turn on this.
But some experts on this website told us there was nothing to see here....
https://www.wsj.com/health/wellness/covid-new-health-problems-old-infections-06cb84be
The link between new health problems and your past health history appears to be particularly prevalent with Covid. A new Nature Medicine study found that health problems stemming from even mild Covid infections can emerge as many as three years afterward. The study found a greater risk three years later of problems in the gut, brain and lungs, including irritable bowel syndrome, mini-strokes and pulmonary scarring.
The day after, not before, large gatherings across the country 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 here it comes... 😂😂
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It’s almost as if… it’s planned 🤔It's in the 1st sentence. Lol
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I’m old enough to remember when eggs and butter were bad for you, the food pyramid looked exactly like the diet we use to fatten animals for slaughter, and when the Covid vaccines were going to prevent transmission of the disease.
I’m old enough to remember when eggs and butter were bad for you, the food pyramid looked exactly like the diet we use to fatten animals for slaughter, and when the Covid vaccines were going to prevent transmission of the disease.
I’m fine with you all being comfortable shifting the goal posts time and time again while completely forgetting they told us over and over again that they were highly effective at reducing transmission/infection.
Plenty of people knew at the beginning of the pandemic that it was almost impossible to create a vaccine that had long term effectiveness against transmission/infection for coronaviruses, but that didn’t stop the media and big pharma from lying to us. The people that knew better were silent. And people wonder why there was skepticism around the vaccines. Once it was clear it didn’t do much to stop infection rates y’all backpedaled and shifted messaging to reduction of severity of symptoms. Vaccine evangelism at its finest. Then you memory holed the “90 some percent effective against infection”
February 2020:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/
I’m fine with you all being comfortable shifting the goal posts time and time again while completely forgetting they told us over and over again that they were highly effective at reducing transmission/infection.
Plenty of people knew at the beginning of the pandemic that it was almost impossible to create a vaccine that had long term effectiveness against transmission/infection for coronaviruses, but that didn’t stop the media and big pharma from lying to us. The people that knew better were silent. And people wonder why there was skepticism around the vaccines. Once it was clear it didn’t do much to stop infection rates y’all backpedaled and shifted messaging to reduction of severity of symptoms. Vaccine evangelism at its finest. Then you memory holed the “90 some percent effective against infection”
February 2020:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/
There was a lot of mixed messaging partly because of the Internet and partly because of the novelty.
Even so-called official positions from the authorities were sometimes contradictory. There was internal confusion on some issues.
Bottom line is the vaccines reduced the spread of covid and reduced the severity of infections. They did not totally prevent the spread / infection. That is true of vaccines in general. Somehow the angry right thinks that is a bad thing.
There was a lot of mixed messaging partly because of the Internet and partly because of the novelty.
Even so-called official positions from the authorities were sometimes contradictory. There was internal confusion on some issues.
Bottom line is the vaccines reduced the spread of covid and reduced the severity of infections. They did not totally prevent the spread / infection. That is true of vaccines in general. Somehow the angry right thinks that is a bad thing.
I’m fine with you all being comfortable shifting the goal posts time and time again while completely forgetting they told us over and over again that they were highly effective at reducing transmission/infection.
Plenty of people knew at the beginning of the pandemic that it was almost impossible to create a vaccine that had long term effectiveness against transmission/infection for coronaviruses, but that didn’t stop the media and big pharma from lying to us. The people that knew better were silent. And people wonder why there was skepticism around the vaccines. Once it was clear it didn’t do much to stop infection rates y’all backpedaled and shifted messaging to reduction of severity of symptoms. Vaccine evangelism at its finest. Then you memory holed the “90 some percent effective against infection”
February 2020:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/
I’m fine with you all being comfortable shifting the goal posts time and time again while completely forgetting they told us over and over again that they were highly effective at reducing transmission/infection.
Plenty of people knew at the beginning of the pandemic that it was almost impossible to create a vaccine that had long term effectiveness against transmission/infection for coronaviruses, but that didn’t stop the media and big pharma from lying to us. The people that knew better were silent. And people wonder why there was skepticism around the vaccines. Once it was clear it didn’t do much to stop infection rates y’all backpedaled and shifted messaging to reduction of severity of symptoms. Vaccine evangelism at its finest. Then you memory holed the “90 some percent effective against infection”
February 2020:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/
Should vomiting be induced in the event of accidental consumption of dihydrogen monoxide?
Is it legal in the United States for a man to marry his widow's sister?
If a plane crashes on the border of the United States and Canada, in which country are the survivors buried?
The impossible problem here is that most people have very basic understanding of things, and a very moderate ability to take some basic observations and make reasoned conclusions.
Let's try a test here Custard. No googling.
If I go to the top of Memorial Stadium, and drop a bowling ball and a basketball off of the top - which hits the ground first?
Is this done in a vacuum or are we going to accout for the magnus effect
Is this done in a vacuum or are we going to accout for the magnus effect
It's being done in your brain, so.. a vacuum
The impossible problem here is that most people have very basic understanding of things, and a very moderate ability to take some basic observations and make reasoned conclusions.
Let's try a test here Custard. No googling.
If I go to the top of Memorial Stadium, and drop a bowling ball and a basketball off of the top - which hits the ground first?
I am fully able to make basic observations and make reasoned conclusions. Most here make platitudes based on identity politics.
I am fully able to make basic observations and make reasoned conclusions. Most here make platitudes based on identity politics.
Most here make platitudes based on identity politics.
That is an intellectually dishonest platitude pushed by the white identity people
I know what I know and what I don't know. I will defer to experts in their fields.
We know. Even ones with million$ of reasons to lie to you…
A basic observation of a crazy ass anti-vax website written by Alex Jones and Joe Rogan, and make a reasoned conclusion
I don't think people who get paid for their opinions are automatically wrong.
When I am sick, I get advice from well paid, highly trained healthcare professionals. I don't consult with some anonymous smart asses on X.
The 3 people that died from it that I worked with when I was still in Decatur all refused the Vaccine. Of everyone that did receive that vaccine, none of them died. All of them are still alive too.
Shocking.
But can you also understand that many medical professionals are essentially trained in situ by drug reps?
A big chunk of our social circle is comprised of medical professionals.
Medical professionals go through school to learn physiology. Afterwards, when they go to work, they prescribe (sell) drugs and procedures. Because that’s how everyone makes money.
Most of them don’t fully grasp the fact that they are de facto drug dealers because they’re so overworked they don’t stop to think about it.
When the drugs don’t work, they sell excessively expensive procedures. They don’t see it as selling, but that’s that they do.
But can you also understand that many medical professionals are essentially trained in situ by drug reps?
A big chunk of our social circle is comprised of medical professionals.
Medical professionals go through school to learn physiology. Afterwards, when they go to work, they prescribe (sell) drugs and procedures. Because that’s how everyone makes money.
Most of them don’t fully grasp the fact that they are de facto drug dealers because they’re so overworked they don’t stop to think about it.
When the drugs don’t work, they sell excessively expensive procedures. They don’t see it as selling, but that’s that they do.
Look no further than the OxyContin epidemic…
The more doctors prescribe, the more they make…
It’s been exceedingly easy to get the usual suspects to completely ignore any middle ground in the conversation. Bravo!
The leading causes of advanced heart disease are probably genetic and tobacco addiction.
The main causes of cancer appear to be smoking, environmental pollution, and genetics. Drug therapy and procedures tend to go hand and hand, depending on the type, stage, etc.
You're neglecting diet here. Obesity tops the list.
What's the middle ground between science and superstition?
People here told us it was nothing to worry about. May explain Trump's and Biden's meltdowns
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13761733/DEMENTIA-cases-covid-research-corona-virus-alzheimers.html
A new study has added fuel to concerns that America could face a surge in dementias in coming years and decades due to COVID.
The research found that nearly two-thirds of people over 65 who were hospitalized with the virus went on to suffer cognitive decline, which can be a precursor for dementia, weeks and months after the infection cleared.
People here told us it was nothing to worry about. May explain Trump's and Biden's meltdowns
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13761733/DEMENTIA-cases-covid-research-corona-virus-alzheimers.html
A new study has added fuel to concerns that America could face a surge in dementias in coming years and decades due to COVID.
The research found that nearly two-thirds of people over 65 who were hospitalized with the virus went on to suffer cognitive decline, which can be a precursor for dementia, weeks and months after the infection cleared.
Better start taking Joe Rogan’s Alpha Brain supplement!
It's always about the Benjamins
Fauci was hospitalized for 6 days with The West Nile Virus. Hopefully he wore his mask while in the hospital so he didn't catch The COVID!
Mn!!!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13812803/Chinese-lab-Covid-leak-deadly-virus-wiv14-saukett.html
The Chinese lab that the FBI believes likely leaked Covid-19 may have also released a 'highly evolved' strain of polio in 2014.
A bombshell new study suggests that this polio strain, which infected a four-year-old boy amid a wider viral outbreak in China's Anhui province, is '99 percent' identical to a polio variant that was stored 200 miles away, during that same time period, at the infamous Wuhan Institute of Virology.
Researchers at France's Pasteur Institute cannot say with certainty where this strain, dubbed 'WIV14,' originated. But they insisted two possibilities 'must be explored' — including the chance that WIV14 polio originated within the Wuhan institute itself.
It still blows my mind that the origin of the virus is/was a political football. Like the left just refused to even believe it could possibly be a lab leak or do any investigating whatsoever simply because Trump said it came from China.
If it is that big of a deal why are we being so soft on China? Especially if US taxpayer money was involved? If a middle eastern country had caused millions of deaths we’d have firebombed it years ago. But no, let’s use velvet gloves on the commies.
I’ve never felt strongly at all that it was one way or the other. I leaned more towards natural origin and migrated more toward potential lab leak over the years as things evolved and more evidence emerged. But I still can’t pretend to have any clue beyond that.
To your credit yes you’ve hedged but in general the left has been very much “well we can’t do anything unless China bends over for us” which is a very very soft stance from the exact same people who locked themselves away for years and are still outraged at Trump for it.
If it is that big of a deal why are we being so soft on China? Especially if US taxpayer money was involved? If a middle eastern country had caused millions of deaths we’d have firebombed it years ago. But no, let’s use velvet gloves on the commies.
I think you answered your own question.... because US money was involved. That and no one in government wants to really know the actual answer.
I think you answered your own question.... because US money was involved. That and no one in government wants to really know the actual answer.
I did answer the question to connect the dots for lower IQ posters, but it’s absolutely amazing how little animus exists among the bleeding hearts that this could have been man made.
Social media absolutely on fire today DEMANDING gun control due to a handful
of casualties, but millions dead to a potentially engineered virus? Well, we just won’t know until China decides to tell us. Meanwhile, let’s blame Trump! 🤷🏻♂️
=…no one in government wants to really know the actual answer.=
Government origin analyses to date:
-FBI = lab origin (moderate confidence)
-DOE = lab leak (low confidence)
-National Intelligence Council and four other agencies = natural origin (low confidence)
Also: Toxic: How the Search for the Origins of COVID-19 Turned Politically Poisonous
https://apnews.com/article/china-covid-virus-origins-pandemic-lab-leak-bed5ab50dca8e318ab00f60b5911da0c
How could any rational person read this and not immediately think it was a lab leak? It’s almost too obvious.
I’ve never felt strongly at all that it was one way or the other. I leaned more towards natural origin and migrated more toward potential lab leak over the years as things evolved and more evidence emerged. But I still can’t pretend to have any clue beyond that.
To your credit yes you’ve hedged but in general the left has been very much “well we can’t do anything unless China bends over for us” which is a very very soft stance from the exact same people who locked themselves away for years and are still outraged at Trump for it.
If it is that big of a deal why are we being so soft on China? Especially if US taxpayer money was involved? If a middle eastern country had caused millions of deaths we’d have firebombed it years ago. But no, let’s use velvet gloves on the commies.
=…no one in government wants to really know the actual answer.=
Government origin analyses to date:
-FBI = lab origin (moderate confidence)
-DOE = lab leak (low confidence)
-National Intelligence Council and four other agencies = natural origin (low confidence)
Also: Toxic: How the Search for the Origins of COVID-19 Turned Politically Poisonous
https://apnews.com/article/china-covid-virus-origins-pandemic-lab-leak-bed5ab50dca8e318ab00f60b5911da0c
Motivated reasoning alert!
A rational person will acknowlege the two dominant theories and conclude that more information is needed to determine the origin of the COVID-19 pandemic.
By “things evolved” you mean “internet trolls made shit up and you read it”
Does not sound like support for people in government really wanting to know the answer.
Yes, trolls like the house oversight committee
Please tell me you know the difference between fire bombing Afghanistan and China.
Is that what you think I’m suggesting?
It’s called a dichotomy. Using one extreme example to demonstrate how soft we are being in another situation. Obviously we aren’t going to go into a hot war with China but we also don’t have to basically shrug our shoulders like the collective left has done.
It’s called a dichotomy. Using one extreme example to demonstrate how soft we are being in another situation. Obviously we aren’t going to go into a hot war with China but we also don’t have to basically shrug our shoulders like the collective left has done.
It’s called a dichotomy. Using one extreme example to demonstrate how soft we are being in another situation. Obviously we aren’t going to go into a hot war with China but we also don’t have to basically shrug our shoulders like the collective left has done.
I think Custard would support spending a lot of money to stimulate manufacturing here to China's detriment.
Bingo!
https://x.com/drsimonegold/status/1833384250390749293?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
https://x.com/27steph77/status/1833472982997413975?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
wow - he said something that would help him get laid by a playmate. Shocker
Bingo!
https://x.com/drsimonegold/status/1833384250390749293?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
https://x.com/27steph77/status/1833472982997413975?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Surely even the dyed-in-the-wool lefties can acknowledge their shift in not trusting big pharma to practically groveling at their feet
Surely even the dyed-in-the-wool lefties can acknowledge their shift in not trusting big pharma to practically groveling at their feet
It is not a matter of blind trust. It is objectively looking at actual facts. "Big pharma bad" is just childish.
I realize that is hard for those who have converted to faith based alternative facts.
Who tested the Covid vaccines and provided “actual facts” during Warp Speed?
Just like your boy Kelce!
Surely even the dyed-in-the-wool lefties can acknowledge their shift in not trusting big pharma to practically groveling at their feet
My understanding, subject to correction, is that any vaccine can trigger a rare problematic immune response. The rewards still far outweigh the rewards.
I know smart guys like you all can recognize that “helps make Covid less severe” and “may cause other long term health issues” aren’t mutually exclusive scenarios.
If pharma/FDA didn’t have a long, sickening track record of rigged testing, coverups, class action suits, wrongful death, etc maybe you would have some kind of lucid point.
What's your take on Chemotherapy? If you get cancer, would you take such treatment?
So can peanuts. Goddamn big Mr Peanut!
Like any rational person I’d weigh the risks vs benefits, discuss potential outcomes with my doctor(s), do some research and seek out experiences from others who had used that particular chemo, and definitely not rely solely on manufacturer talking points and data9
I know smart guys like you all can recognize that “helps make Covid less severe” and “may cause other long term health issues” aren’t mutually exclusive scenarios.
The mRNA vaccine is gone in a few days and causes no permanent changes.
Which vaccine supposedly may cause long term problem? What problems?
My understanding is Covid can cause long term problems and not just the long covid.
The mRNA vaccine is gone in a few days and causes no permanent changes.
You have no way of knowing that. Making a statement like that is ludicrous. You got a crystal ball?!
You have no way of knowing that. Making a statement like that is ludicrous. You got a crystal ball?!
I might consider chemo depending on the amount of cancer I have and what stage it is. I would not do radiation. Let me die before going through all that.Radiation is tough, better than dying if you want to live. You're only in that chamber for 3-4 minutes. I did it 40 times, 40 times plus chemo , from April to June 2021. The mass on my neck was large and couldn't be operated on because "fingers" were going up the left side of my head, too risky of a surgery even for top surgeons at Loma Linda Medical Center, a top med center in the country. I wasn't ready to cash it in. I'm not as physically strong as I was before but I still have a good life.
Radiation is tough, better than dying if you want to live. You're only in that chamber for 3-4 minutes. I did it 40 times, 40 times plus chemo , from April to June 2021. The mass on my neck was large and couldn't be operated on because "fingers" were going up the left side of my head, too risky of a surgery even for top surgeons at Loma Linda Medical Center, a top med center in the country. I wasn't ready to cash it in. I'm not as physically strong as I was before but I still have a good life.
Radiation is tough, better than dying if you want to live. You're only in that chamber for 3-4 minutes. I did it 40 times, 40 times plus chemo , from April to June 2021. The mass on my neck was large and couldn't be operated on because "fingers" were going up the left side of my head, too risky of a surgery even for top surgeons at Loma Linda Medical Center, a top med center in the country. I wasn't ready to cash it in. I'm not as physically strong as I was before but I still have a good life.
Glad you are better…+1
You won’t find much in the MSM about it naturally (I mean why would they shout it from the mountaintops after years of frantically pushing it) but if you care to give even a cursory look there’s mounting evidence of related issues. And considering how many people got this, I’m sure there’s many more to come over time. My feeling is the same now as it was in 2021–made sense for the elderly and those with multiple comorbidities but not so much for those who weren’t, particularly young adults and children.
I’ll trust the advice of 88% of medical doctors, thank you.The other 12% were in the bottom quintile of their class. Pass
Other than the fact I can now lift a car with one hand and sometimes receive radio transmissions from Army generals I’ve felt no after effects from the vaccine.
Maybe it's from eating all those dogs
Or gay frogs.
Or Bernstein’s dong.
Or both.
Mn!
Covid czar admits breaking his lockdowns to attend drug-sex parties https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13869835/nyc-covid-dr-jay-varma-lockdown-rules-video.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton
Least surprising news ever. Fucking sham
Mn! The COVID (not the vaccine itself) is allegedly partly to blame for this!
Alarming rise of 'super-fit' slim young people suffering heart attacks https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13920613/Alarming-rise-super-fit-slim-young-people-suffering-heart-attacks-experts-reveal-theories-surge.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton
Mn! The COVID (not the vaccine itself) is allegedly partly to blame for this!
Alarming rise of 'super-fit' slim young people suffering heart attacks https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13920613/Alarming-rise-super-fit-slim-young-people-suffering-heart-attacks-experts-reveal-theories-surge.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton
A lot of people were talking about this weird phenomenon 3 whole years ago but of course it wasn’t allowed to be discussed in any kind of mainstream media for fear some healthy 25 year old might decline to get a vaccine they didn’t need.
A lot of people were talking about this weird phenomenon 3 whole years ago but of course it wasn’t allowed to be discussed in any kind of mainstream media for fear some healthy 25 year old might decline to get a vaccine they didn’t need.
The spike protein is bad news. Fit young people have been dropping dead at an alarming rate for 3+ years now. Some of them not long after getting the vaccine. Others after having testing positive for Covid. The article does mention the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines can cause heart inflammation particularly in young men and boys, which is why you weren’t hearing about this 3 years ago.
Yep. Custard didn't bother to read the article.
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It’s believed the spike protein is to blame.
(https://i.ibb.co/cFZThBp/IMG-7379.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yyZsF9M)last time around you were telling us the youngsters should not get vaccinated because COVID carried no risk!
It’s believed the spike protein is to blame.
Custard finally gets around to reading the article.
I think I'll let the researchers try to sort things out.
SARS-CoV-2 spike protein causes blood coagulation and thrombosis by competitive binding to heparan sulfate
The spike protein is bad news. Fit young people have been dropping dead at an alarming rate for 3+ years now. Some of them not long after getting the vaccine. Others after having testing positive for Covid. The article does mention the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines can cause heart inflammation particularly in young men and boys, which is why you weren’t hearing about this 3 years ago.
There are multiple factors at play here. More studies will have to take place. But the good news is that you seem to have moved on from your initial snarky comment about young people not getting the vaccine.
Comrade Custard has had a tough week. He's just glad Spark has been here to get kicked around!
It also says very rarely and that it happens more often if you get The COVID.
I know. Point is that heart issues are happening in both cohorts. You posted an article that came across like we just found out all this stuff when we have in fact known about it for years.
There were verifiable examples of fit young athletes having these problems all over social media outlets a few years ago but the mainstream news wouldn’t touch it because it would have ostensibly hurt the vaccine campaign. I get why they did it, but let’s call it like it is. They knew there were issues with the spike protein, and the vaccines trigger the body to create spike proteins. A fair amount of people who weren't at big risk would put two and two together and eschew vaccination.
I’ve had a great week.
Getting The COVID, per the article, appears to be far worse than getting the vaccine though.
Spark maintains he had a good week too.
Right. But that is today’s data. Back then they were doing everything they could to minimize any kind of potential risk because they wanted people to get vaccinated.
If you’re a fit 18 year old male with very little chance of having problems from contracting covid itself, if you even contract a symptomatic case, why willingly shoot yourself up with a rushed vaccine that 100% the spike proteins that can trigger same negative cardiovascular response as the infection itself? Seems like a low reward proposition to me.
Ask the fit kids who had The COVID who are having heart attacks how they feel.
Yeah, for real. So, I'm on the fire department and an EMT, and I'm seeing a hell of a lot of heart problems in 18 year old people that are in great shape.
Haha, yeah, just fucking kidding. People are fine. If your body rejects an RNA based shot, and your heart goes to shit, well, maybe there are other things going on.
If you want to get a shot, get a fucking shot. It's really not going to hurt you.
Having The Covid and The Shot can both hurt you in various ways and in varying levels of severity. The Covid is more dangerous than The Shot, in all or at least vast majority of risk groups. Nothing controversial about that.
You clearly haven’t read what I’ve actually written and are tilting at windmills at this point.
"If you’re a fit 18 year old male with very little chance of having problems from contracting covid itself,"
Per the article, there are kids with this description that contracted The COVID and now are having the heart attacks. Did you know 4 years ago which kids with this description were going to have the heart attacks and which ones were not 4 years later?
"If you’re a fit 18 year old male with very little chance of having problems from contracting covid itself,"
Per the article, there are kids with this description that contracted The COVID and now are having the heart attacks. Did you know 4 years ago which kids with this description were going to have the heart attacks and which ones were not 4 years later?
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, and I probably am, but people should do what they think is right for them, outside of politics. Get a shot, or don't. But at the height of everything, like in 2020, I do think the vaccine quelled things a bit. We can disagree. But it's better than just letting it go.
Yes you misunderstood me. I am obviously not doing a good job of getting my point across.
The article mentioned that the vaccine side effect risk was low. How is that quantified? Who knows?
However, the point of the article seems focused on the kids you were saying didn't need the vaccine who got The COVID and are now having heart attacks out of nowhere.
The mistake I made here was throwing out a vaccine reference in my first reply to his article which everyone focused on instead of the point that I was trying to make; which is that this really isn’t news. And it bothers me that people are just now finding out about these things that people were getting banned from social media for saying during the vaccine campaign.
Vaccine uptake definitely would have been lower if it was being widely discussed that spike proteins were behind the coagulation/clotting/myocarditis issues and the vaccine caused the body to create spike protein, which could cause some of the same issues. They just kind of quietly pulled the J&J shot off the market because of the problems. The public benefits outweighed the risks and such.
For all we know, the dumbfuck teacher unions could have been right?
It have a hard time wrapping my mind around how someone can be so anti-Republican and anti-teachers union at the same time.
I remain thoroughly impressed with Custard’s knowledge on science and medicine.
With COVID, Not All Myocarditis Is Created Equal
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/covid-not-all-myocarditis-created-equal-2024a1000fl3?form=fpf
You expect us to trust a Yale doctor talking about research done by Frenchies?
https://x.com/michellemaxwell/status/1856387514539340224?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
I remember when they got canceled for talking about that
A VP in our company was talking last night at dinner about how she received the Covid vaccine and lost 75% of feeling in her hands or feet. It has gotten a little better over the last couple years but there is permanent damage. She can’t even sue because, well, you can’t.
COVID vaccine induced peripheral neuropathy is a thing. Also happens for some post-infection.
"Recent CDC studies based on data from the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) and the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) have found evidence suggesting an increased risk of GBS among adults 18 years and older after J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination but not after Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna COVID-19 vaccination." CDC Jul 31, 2024
"Recent CDC studies based on data from the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) and the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) have found evidence suggesting an increased risk of GBS among adults 18 years and older after J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination but not after Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna COVID-19 vaccination." CDC Jul 31, 2024
Although the COVID-19 vaccination has helped protect many against the COVID-19 virus, the vaccine has been associated with some complications. There are published patient cases of COVID-19 infection and Pfizer and Moderna vaccine administration causing neurological conditions including Guillain-Barre syndrome, transverse myelitis, and small fiber neuropathy [1–8]. The mechanism underlying the development of small fiber neuropathy after COVID-19 vaccination is not known. Therefore, effective treatment remains unclear.
COVID vaccine induced peripheral neuropathy is a thing. Also happens for some post-infection.
Custard ahead of the curve, again.
https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/a-systematic-review-of-autopsy-findings-in-deaths-after-covid-19-vaccination/
Table 1 summarizes the 44 studies [19-62], which includes a total of 325 autopsy cases and 1 organ-restricted autopsy case (heart). The mean age of death was 70.4 years and there were 139 females (42.6%). Most received a Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine (41%), followed by Sinovac (37%), AstraZeneca (13%), Moderna (7%), Johnson & Johnson (1%), and Sinopharm (1%).
Figure 4.
Distribution of Time from Last Vaccine Administration to Death Among Cases
240 deaths (73.9%) were independently adjudicated by three physicians to be significantly linked to COVID-19 vaccination (Table S1). Among adjudicators, there was complete independent agreement (all three physicians) of COVID-19 vaccination contributing to death in 203 cases (62.5%)....Among the 240 deaths that have been adjudicated as being significantly linked to COVID-19 vaccination, most received a Sinovac vaccine (46.3%), followed by Pfizer (30.1%), AstraZeneca (14.6%), Moderna (7.5%), Johnson & Johnson (1.3%), and Sinopharm (0.8%); the mean age of death was 55.8; the number of days from vaccination until death was 11.3 (mean), 3 (median) irrespective of dose; and the primary causes of death include sudden cardiac death (35%), pulmonary embolism (12.5%), myocardial infarction (12%), VITT (7.9%), myocarditis (7.1%), multisystem inflammatory syndrome (4.6%), and cerebral hemorrhage (3.8%).
Custard ahead of the curve, again.
https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/a-systematic-review-of-autopsy-findings-in-deaths-after-covid-19-vaccination/
Doubt this study will survive scrutiny from the scientific community. An earlier pre-print version was withdrawn because it used a flawed methodology. The authors are also known for having spread COVID-19 misinformation in the past.
https://science.feedback.org/review/flawed-preprint-autopsies-inadequate-demonstrate-covid19-vaccines-caused-74-percent-deaths/
Doubt this study will survive scrutiny from the scientific community. An earlier pre-print version was withdrawn because it used a flawed methodology. The authors are also known for having spread COVID-19 misinformation in the past.
https://science.feedback.org/review/flawed-preprint-autopsies-inadequate-demonstrate-covid19-vaccines-caused-74-percent-deaths/
Sounds like Pfizer got to Alum.
Wish Mn were around to opine on Dr. Oz running Medicare and Medicaid!
Well, it makes sense. He was on TV, after all. Thanks Oprah.
Wish Mn were around to opine on Dr. Oz running Medicare and Medicaid!
Remember when some doctors formed together and said the lockdowns were a bad idea and they basically got blackballed? I member.I'd be lying if I said "I don't recall."
Remember when some doctors formed together and said the lockdowns were a bad idea and they basically got blackballed? I member.
Remember when some doctors formed together and said the lockdowns were a bad idea and they basically got blackballed? I member.
Remember when some doctors formed together and said the lockdowns were a bad idea and they basically got blackballed? I member.
The Euros just have more of a chance of getting run over by Middle Eastern immigrants at a festival.
I'd be lying if I said "I don't recall."
Always the guns fault
Wish Mn were around to opine on Dr. Oz running Medicare and Medicaid!
Sometimes it's the car's fault.
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Always the guns fault
Seems like it. Ask Japan and many other countries.
I wonder what demographic similarities those countries all have 🤔
The only variable they seem to be able to isolate is private gun ownership
The only variable they seem to be able to isolate is private gun ownership
I wonder what demographic similarities those countries all have 🤔
Reducing / restrictingbprivate gun ownership tends to reduce gun violence. Ask Australia.
I wonder what demographic they all share 🤔
Descendents of criminals?
Australia doesn't have a Bill of Rights. We do.
After you whittle down the 2nd Amendment, will the 1st amendment be next ?
Or maybe just skip to the 4th, 5th and 6th all at one time.
https://x.com/liz_churchill10/status/1871707684929757203?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
"The claim that Bill Gates stated he wanted to depopulate the Earth has been widely misinterpreted and taken out of context. In his 2010 TED Talk titled "Innovating to zero!", Gates discussed the need to reduce carbon emissions and mentioned that improving health care, including through vaccines and reproductive health services, could lead to a decrease in population growth. His point was that by reducing child mortality rates, parents would feel less need to have large families, thereby naturally reducing population growth over time."
Mn!ThePAMan!
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/fbi-covid-19-pandemic-lab-leak-theory-dfbd8a51
ThePAMan!
It's paywalled. And besides, our government knew where the Covid came from and it wasn't zoonotic.
They appear be arguing about it internally.
They can argue all they want internally, but we may never find out where COVID-19 came from due to decisions that Chinese officials made during the early stages of the Wuhan outbreak. The government has been reluctant to share informtion and cooperate with international investigations.
“It is quite clear that China will not allow an objective and independent scientific investigation led by WHO. In addition, much of the evidence from the lab as well as the Wuhan market has now vanished. All in all, there is little chance that the world will ever know for sure. And that is a global tragedy.”
-Lawrence Gosdin, Director, O’Neill Institute for National and Global Health Law at Georgetown University.
From that above, I think we know for sure…
There are plenty of reasons why China would not cooperate with WHO.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/06/09/china-cooperate-covid-19-origins-investigation-wuhan/
There are plenty of reasons why US Government would not cooperate with who ?
From that above, I think we know for sure…
They can argue all they want internally, but we may never find out where COVID-19 came from due to decisions that Chinese officials made during the early stages of the Wuhan outbreak. The government has been reluctant to share informtion and cooperate with international investigations.
“It is quite clear that China will not allow an objective and independent scientific investigation led by WHO. In addition, much of the evidence from the lab as well as the Wuhan market has now vanished. All in all, there is little chance that the world will ever know for sure. And that is a global tragedy.”
-Lawrence Gosdin, Director, O’Neill Institute for National and Global Health Law at Georgetown University.
Pretty much tells you all you need to know, doesn’t it?
Maybe the lab-leak-deniers will eventually warm up to the idea that maybe they were wrong, and that maybe they shouldn’t have been dismissive assholes to the people who weren’t brainwashed by Fake News, but I doubt it.
When there’s a smoking gun like what Alum just posted about Trump, the same people have him tried and convicted in their minds before they finish the paragraph. Yet for some reason they feel the need to carry water for the CCP because American legacy media instructed them to do so. Interesting, isn’t it?
When there’s a smoking gun like what Alum just posted about Trump,..
Zoonotic transfer does not make China look any better than a lab leak from their perspective. We should wonder why the right wing wants to pin it on a lab leak. Is it because they want to blame science?
China's position is COVID-19 was not a Wuhan lab leak, not a zoonotic transfer from the Wuhan wildlife market. Either way would be an unacceptable failure by the Chinese government regulators; which is not possible.
They say it originated in the United States.
Thanks goodness we have a refuge of quality social interaction here!
I much prefer groups with diverse views over echo chambers. Part of it is resisting the temptation to start flinging insults. It's also less boring and better exercise for the mind.
The right wing wants to know where the virus that killed millions came from.
The willful obfuscation and mocking smear campaigns against those who questioned the zoonotic origins has only strengthened the suspicion and resolve.
So you’re telling me the left’s fervent insistence that it was zoonotic...
Imo, the zoonotic origin explanation was not generated by scientists.
Imho, it was generated by individuals with a vested interest in minimizing the mention of the role of US funding in Wuhan, the lack of oversight of EcoHealth in Wuhan and to protect the US Government cash cow for virologists working on gain of function research.
The individuals happened to be "scientists" and some were bureaucrats.
So you’re telling me the left’s fervent insistence that it was zoonotic and then shouting down anyone who presented evidence that the lab leak theory might hold some water were a response to the RWNJ not allowing a reasonable debate?
If lab leak was code for bioweapon in my echo chamber, I’d have thought that I would remember thinking that way. I have never had a strong feeling about how it originated or what it is, but I would really like to know. Maybe if you and Nichi keep kissing China’s ass they’ll eventually tell us!
So you are saying they were scientists?I did. But that's like saying you're not a moran because you're a lawyer. 😄
I did. But that's like saying you're not a moran because you're a lawyer. 😄
The available biological evidence still points to a zoonotic origin from an infected animal sold in the Wuhan market.
The evidence for the lab leak is pretty much entirely political.
Either way is bad for China; which is why they refuse to cooperate.
As the article I linked to noted, there were zero COVID 19 infection reports in the 1,500 miles (or whatever it was) between the area where the virus was harvested and Wuhan prior to the outbreak. Now, the zoonotic people have tried to explain that away. But still....
What article? Where was it "harvested."
I thought the Huanan Market and the Wuhan Institute of Virology were in fairly close proximity. What is the point?
The cave of bats. The researchers harvested it there and then brought it back to the Wuhan institute to study it.
That wasn't the COVID-19 virus.
Yes it was.
https://www.bu.edu/neidl/2021/01/where-did-covid-19-come-from/
The coronavirus that conquered the world came from a thumb-sized bat tucked inside a remote Chinese cave. Of this much, scientists are convinced.
Exactly how and when it fled the bat to begin its devastating flight across the globe remain open questions.
"The virus's ancestors originated in bats in southern China, 600 miles from Wuhan."
We don't know where Covid-19 virus originated.
The group of related coronaviruses giving rise to SARS-CoV-2 has existed for decades in bats and probably originated more than 40 years ago, said Dr. Charles Chiu, a professor and expert in viral genomics at the University of California-San Francisco.
SARS-CoV-2 shares 96% of its genetic material with a sample of coronavirus taken in 2013 in intermediate horseshoe bats from Yunnan province in China, which suggests the Yunnan virus is its ancestor. How the virus traveled the 1,200 miles from Yunnan to Wuhan remains unknown.
No reported cases in the 1,200 miles between the cave and the Wuhan institute. Hmmmmmm.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/data-suggest-sars-cov-2-could-jump-raccoon-dogs-people-species-barrier-may-interfere
The cave of bats. The researchers harvested it there and then brought it back to the Wuhan institute to study it.Maybe.
Maybe.
But then maybe it was from Laos.
And even if they did, the American right would say they faked the records.
Defending the Commies I see…
They’ve sure had enough time to alter things haven’t they?! You literally are showing your bias here by making excuses if it doesn’t turn out the way you want it to. Already coming up with those built-in excuses…
C'mon Nichi. They are not cooperating. They are hiding something if not multiple things. They are Commie Bastards. While your guy Nixon may have opened the door for them, it doesn't mean he was asking them to move in with him.
The media and Democrats lied.
You’re right about this…
Enjoy the Flavor Aid
Science has a liberal bias…
Don’t have to look real hard to find plenty of relatively recent Democrat lies, disinformation, half-truths, lies by omission, etc.
Democrats spin. That's what all politicians do all the time.
Trump tells it like it is, . …
Trump lies every time he talks.What's Xi thinking ?
Democrats spin.
but mostly the virus has mutated to less deadly strains. Less deadly strains transmit better because they don't kill the host and have more time to spread, which does produce that aforementioned immune response.
So we could've done about our business, culled the elderly and immunodeficient populations, and waited 5 years?
So we could've done about our business, culled the elderly and immunodeficient populations, and waited 5 years?
I caught a lot of shit here for saying this about omicron. Robb accused me of spreading disinformation and said I was exposing myself to litigation.
You killed Robb. As a poster.
So we could've done about our business, culled the elderly and immunodeficient populations, and waited 5 years?
Strawman alert! No one was suggesting that.
Wouldn't doing minimal remedial efforts, as you suggested, have allowed the most dangerous strain an easier ability to spread, thus slowing down the mutation time to a less dangerous strain? I am not an expert, and I slept at home last night, but wouldn't that be the impact of no or minimal remediation efforts?Other than some mad scientists playing around in a lab to see if they could make something more pathogenic they probably didn't know what they actually created and nobody knew how to address what had been created.
Wouldn't doing minimal remedial efforts, as you suggested, have allowed the most dangerous strain an easier ability to spread, thus slowing down the mutation time to a less dangerous strain? I am not an expert, and I slept at home last night, but wouldn't that be the impact of no or minimal remediation efforts?
Other than some mad scientists playing around in a lab to see if they could make something more pathogenic they probably didn't know what they actually created and nobody knew how to address what had been created.
No. You have it backwards, a couple of times.
If by remedial efforts you mean masks, distancing, etc... that would made it harder for the original strain to spread, not easier.
But if the original strain is spreading more easily, it now inhabits more hosts and there are more sum total little viruses out there, each of which will replicate and have a very small chance of mutating. One could argue that faster spread decreases the time to mutation.
What you really look at it is not time to mutation, but infections to mutation, to measure the overall impact. Allowing unfettered spread would mean that the mutations happen faster and also that the population would develop some immunity. You could argue that shortens the overall time span of the pandemic, but that's not free.
Having the pandemic burn out faster costs a lot of lives, in multiple ways. All the while the pandemic is raging, big pharma is developing vaccines, which when rolled out, will reduce mortality. And unfettered early spread would have a larger impact on the hospital system, meaning less ability to treat people who would recover, and people with non-COVID needs of hospital services.
Literally no one said to do no or minimal remedial efforts. But don’t even know why that’s being brought up when all I did was point out that I was saying what murph is trying to pass off as news two years ago regarding less virulent strains inoculating people and becoming endemic.
Yes, people said to do no or minimal remedial efforts, including masking.
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I didn’t say that, and I was who you two were responding to.
"These people from the Biden administration ........"
https://x.com/i/status/1877785122314875330
LOL.Oh, it was if 10-15% of voters said they would not have voted for Biden if they had known that Hunter's laptop was not Russki disinformation.
I don't understand why people are upset about this moderation crap. Not like any of it was effective in the first place.
Oh, it was if 10-15% of voters said they would not have voted for Biden if they had known that Hunter's laptop was not Russki disinformation.
Skeptical of that number.
Don’t be
Skeptical of that number.You don't trust the media ? Or do you think the number was higher ?
"These people from the Biden administration ........"
https://x.com/i/status/1877785122314875330
LOL.
I don't understand why people are upset about this moderation crap. Not like any of it was effective in the first place.
Oh, it was if 10-15% of voters said they would not have voted for Biden if they had known that Hunter's laptop was not Russki disinformation.
They are the same sort of superstitious idiots that burnt witches. Humanity has not fundamentally changed.
Yes people are superstitious idiots when they call out social media (where most people get their news these days) for having partisan moderators masquerading as “fact checkers” and suppressing critical information.
I always get a kick out of the “Trump tells it like it is” line.
The FBI knew early that the hard drive was legit. It wasn't Russian disinfo and the issues that would have been possible concerns didn't necessarily involve Hunter, but Joe.
You don't trust the media ? Or do you think the number was higher ?
😆
The FBI knew early that the hard drive was legit. It wasn't Russian disinfo and the issues that would have been possible concerns didn't necessarily involve Hunter, but Joe.
Mn, we need you to get on this before something bad happens!Unless something happens I ain't going there. But it does appear as tho they may only be trying to fight bacterial infections with US research rather than creating viral infections in a commie country with no oversight of what was going on.
https://las.illinois.edu/news/2024-12-11/weaponizing-bacterial-viruses-combat-superbugs
Unless something happens I ain't going there. But it does appear as tho they may only be trying to fight bacterial infections with US research rather than creating viral infections in a commie country with no oversight of what was going on.
One of them pictured looked Chinese though.....Somebody's got to cook the orange chicken for lunch. And hopefully no cooking up pandemics.
Somebody's got to cook the orange chicken for lunch. And hopefully no cooking up pandemics.
I haven't had some Orange Chicken in some time..I had a Chinese chef when I was in school but I don't remember him cooking orange chicken. But that was a few decades ago.
Fake news! Col. Blake's not wearing his Illini sweater.He's got it on. It's covered up. He watched the game, burned the tape and wants to move on. Md is up next.
Biden pardons Fauci! Ruins inauguration day!
Comical.
He's got it on. It's covered up. He watched the game, burned the tape and wants to move on. Md is up next.
I haven't had some Orange Chicken in some time..
Mn!
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/25/us/politics/cia-covid-lab-leak.html
Mn!Custard!
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/25/us/politics/cia-covid-lab-leak.html
Low Confidence-- high confidence
Low Confidence generally means that the source information’s credibility or plausibility is uncertain – that is, the source information is scant, questionable, fragmented, or poorly corroborated to the point where it is difficult to make solid analytic inferences. Low confidence could also indicate that the CIS CTI team has concerns with the reliability of the source data.
Custard!
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For 5 years it was zoonotic. I can't imagine that foreign policy was being impacted because of the now pardoned son 'working' in China or the now preemptively pardoned ex-NIAID Director's taxpayer funded grant money, among other things like technology, going to Wuhan.
I just can't imagine.
And the low confidence simply means that as of now it can not be proven. We, and the WHO, let them bury everything. "Low confidence" is an Intelligence Community categorization that does not mean little confidence.
Sometimes it's not what people say, it's what they do.
Sometimes they say what they, or their colleagues, do
https://x.com/mazemoore/status/1883378918687719725
Fringe right wing conspiracy!I have no idea if Peter Daszak is a right wing conspiracy guy. 🤣🤣
I have no idea
I'll defer to MnDon't hold your breath.
Don't hold your breath.
Don't hold your breath.
I can't breath since I'm sick after all the vaccines were banned in advance of RFKJr.'s ascension to Anti-Vaccine Czar!Chill. His ascension hasn't been voted on yet. You've still got a few days.
Chill. His ascension hasn't been voted on yet. You've still got a few days.
I am stocking up as it is happening. Want a shingles vaccine? Have 10,000 in the freezer. I'll give you a reduced black market rate.Zostavax or Shingrex ? Or both ?
Zostavax or Shingrex ? Or both ?
Generic equivalents.....
Deborah Birx with "transparency" .
https://x.com/i/status/1891712754463146156
So Trump's The COVID vaccine did not work as promised?Lol. The big pharma vaccines didn't work like the Covid task force told us, and Trump, they would.
Lol. The big pharma vaccines didn't work like the Covid task force told us, and Trump, they would.
Deborah Birx with "transparency" .
https://x.com/i/status/1891712754463146156
Lol. The big pharma vaccines didn't work like the Covid task force told us, and Trump, they would.
We might as well accept that Trump apologists dwell in an alternate realm with very disposable, alternate facts. It's a realm in which Russia and Vlad Putin are presently victims of Ukraine's aggression. Don't get too attached to that version of events though.
You can bet that anyone in Trump's way is always the worst person ever, while Trump is always the great hero.
basically pick an issue..
I hate abortion
I hate taxes
I hate illegal immigrants
OK - Trump has your back on that issue, so that's your team. And like Bears or Illini fans, the team can do no wrong. Anything the team does can be rationalized, because fuck the Packers and fuck Iowa
Also,
Welfare recipients
Muslims
Anyone that looks Muslim
Other non-Christians
Racial & Ethnic minorities
new additions:
Foreign Aid.
Vaccines
Science
Vaccines weren't that controversial. Until it was a Trumpublican talking point. If Trump had gotten up there and been vaccinated on stage and crowed about how awesome it was and we're gonna beat this goddamn thing - 90% of Trumpublicans would have gotten on board. Ukraine - if Trump got up there and said "Fuck the Russians" he probably could have gotten actual on the ground troops over there (it wouldn't have been a good idea but just sayin).
Trump is either
1) Completely Stupid
2) A master of sleight of hand and deception
3) An actual manchurian candidate
or a combo
In 2019, I would have said "slightly stupid". I don't like slightly stupid but Trump's first term only slightly annoyed me - I probably thought it was less bad than GWB's first term. But man, this is some solidly fuckistan kind of stuff now.
A lot of truth here, and I hate that I have to agree with the last part. Dubya was a disastrous president, but didn’t do it with the same amount of crazy Trump does.
Iraq War supercedes whatever happened 2017-2020
The Iraqis get to vote for whoever they want to vote for now. So there is that. Plus, we now know the Muslim sects hate each other more than they hate everyone else. I call that a win.
The Iraqis get to vote for whoever they want to vote for now. So there is that. Plus, we now know the Muslim sects hate each other more than they hate everyone else. I call that a win.
At a cost orders of magnitude more than the pittance we'd need to put the kaibosh on Putin's trip to Ukraine, and including a bunch of dead soldiers. And whomever they're voting for, the country is still unstable and a haven for terrorists. Say what you might about Saddam, he made the trains run on time.
Has nada to do with Putin.
Of course the rest is easy for you to say from your safe suburban home
Democracy at the point of a gun isn’t real democracy. You think Iraq is a high functioning democracy? It cost us US lives and 2 trillions dollars. For what? So Dubya could crow over owning Saddam’s pistol?
LOL . Is the US a "high functioning democracy"? What does that even mean?
Has nada to do with Putin.
Of course the rest is easy for you to say from your safe suburban home
Do I really have to explain what a “high functioning democracy” is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Lcd3N77koM
Figure it out. You’re smart enough.
No, it’s not. It’s your sincerity.
Not getting into another ridiculous white privilege vs racism debate. Thanks, but no thanks.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00426-3You see this today.
Mn! The Empire is striking back?
What sparked the COVID pandemic? Mounting evidence points to raccoon dogs
More than five years on, studies suggest the animal is the most likely culprit, but other candidates haven't been ruled out.
You see this today.
And I see this today. A coincidence ?
https://x.com/i/status/1893044751055659178
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00426-3
Mn! The Empire is striking back?
What sparked the COVID pandemic? Mounting evidence points to raccoon dogs
More than five years on, studies suggest the animal is the most likely culprit, but other candidates haven't been ruled out.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00426-33 days prior to the Nature article.
Mn! The Empire is striking back?
What sparked the COVID pandemic? Mounting evidence points to raccoon dogs
More than five years on, studies suggest the animal is the most likely culprit, but other candidates haven't been ruled out.
Breaking news ;D ;D
"Germany's foreign intelligence service in 2020 put at 80%-90% the likelihood that the coronavirus behind the COVID-19 pandemic was accidentally released from China's Wuhan Institute of Virology, two German newspapers reported on Wednesday"
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/german-spy-agency-concluded-covid-virus-likely-leaked-lab-papers-say-2025-03-12/
Breaking news ;D ;D
"Germany's foreign intelligence service in 2020 put at 80%-90% the likelihood that the coronavirus behind the COVID-19 pandemic was accidentally released from China's Wuhan Institute of Virology, two German newspapers reported on Wednesday"
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/german-spy-agency-concluded-covid-virus-likely-leaked-lab-papers-say-2025-03-12/
People - even me - care as much about COVID today as we care about my participation trophy I got that one time in the 5th grade spelling bee.
2020-2022 - "Move On with your life" - Mn
2023-present - "Move On with your life" - everyone else
Can we trust the Germans?
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
It’s always been interesting to me that the people who were the most concerned and militant about Covid and the policies to mitigate it also have no real interest figuring out where it came from. And as more evidence mounts that it came from a lab, they’ve basically stuck their fingers in their ears and started screeching. Virus that supposedly killed millions probably came from a lab in China that we were funding? Nothing see here!
Meanwhile same people melting down about every single thing Trump says and does.
If it escaped from a lab, the libs get owned. If not, then they don't. It's as simple as that.
Oh for sure. But it’s worse than that. Why were they so committed to the zoonotic theory to begin with? I’ll hang up and wait for your answer.
Because that is what the scientists claimed happened?Good one ThePAMan
Because that is what the scientists claimed happened?
Zoonotic origin and a lab leak are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
Intelligence agencies concluded Saddam Hussein had active bioweapons and nuclear programs. They also thought Hunter's laptop was a Russian plant.
It’s always been interesting to me that the people who were the most concerned and militant about Covid and the policies to mitigate it also have no real interest figuring out where it came from. And as more evidence mounts that it came from a lab, they’ve basically stuck their fingers in their ears and started screeching. Virus that supposedly killed millions probably came from a lab in China that we were funding? Nothing see here!
Meanwhile same people melting down about every single thing Trump says and does.
Good one ThePAMan
So if I want to know what to know what intelligence is really thinking; I need to ask our resident Trumpists?
indeed. Scientists don't know jack shit. We need to put our faith in Alex Jones and Mike Lindell
Why is Trump playing small ball with the Department of Education? He should be forcing all Publicly funded Universities to disband their Colleges of Biology. It's all fake anyway. Everything we need to know about Biology is in The Bible and The Art of the Deal
Science is malleable depending on preferred outcomes that make more money for the entity funding the science.
We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces."
—Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark, 1995
Leaving for vacation on Tuesday for close to 2 weeks, so I was looking at the local fishwraps online to see what was going on.
7/17 Dr. Fauci will be addressing a local gathering. Tickets sold out! Maybe will see him out and about! If I do, I will let him know that Mn has questions for him....
Leaving for vacation on Tuesday for close to 2 weeks, so I was looking at the local fishwraps online to see what was going on.Have a good vaca.
7/17 Dr. Fauci will be addressing a local gathering. Tickets sold out! Maybe will see him out and about! If I do, I will let him know that Mn has questions for him....
Yay I get to break this out for the first time in a while!
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Have a great trip!
Didn't see anyone looking like that but did see the captain of the ferry talking to a dude in a tank top with a dead phone. He left his 5 foot tall, heels wearing wife on the ferry dock. The boat took off without her with him on it. Oops. I had a good chuckle.
Invite her to the USC tailgate!
Before Dead Phone Tank Top Guy, the captain approached another fella and asked him if it was his wife. After describing her as 5 foot tall with high heels, the dude asked, "Is she hot?"And what did the captain tell you ?
And what did the captain tell you ?
LOL. He hadn't gotten to me. I was busy trying to order ferry chowder and a beer.Nothing for MsThePAMan ? Is your wife 5' tall, in heels, and "hot" ?
Nothing for MsThePAMan ? Is your wife 5' tall, in heels, and "hot" ?
I choose to exercise my right to remain silent.Is that what you told the captain ?
Trust the science. Lol
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The auto-pen pre-pardoned Fauci.
Hmmm. Unsure what the point is you think you are making. Seems like he has questions about the study and other possibilities. Don't see how this is nefarious.2 weeks later Biden mandated vaccination.
2 weeks later Biden mandated vaccination.
Ok.How many people with previous Covid lost their jobs because they wouldn't get vaccinated ?
How many people with previous Covid lost their jobs because they wouldn't get vaccinated ?
Hmmm. Unsure what the point is you think you are making. Seems like he has questions about the study and other possibilities. Don't see how this is nefarious.
Not enough.
Now talk about the left being Nazis. Biden was a wannabe Hitler!! See we can play this game too…
https://x.com/thomassowell/status/2014721031420969084?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
How many people with previous Covid lost their jobs because they wouldn't get vaccinated ?
He was appointed by Trump
He or Trump didn’t implement the mandates. Biden and Fauci did. Redfield is here just telling it…
He was appointed by TrumpAnd quickly shut out by Fauci of any Covid discussions
And quickly shut out by Fauci of any Covid discussions
Probably a wise move.
Now talk about the left being Nazis. Biden was a wannabe Hitler!! See we can play this game too…
https://x.com/thomassowell/status/2014721031420969084?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
It wasn’t mandated. No one was forced to take it.
Yeah, ok…
Take it or we’ll fire you and take your livelihood away. Show us your vax card. Sounds pretty Nazish to me…
For years, we required vaccinations for school children and the military. Was that Nazish?
For years, we required vaccinations for school children and the military. Was that Nazish?
Considering the political climate at the time and rush to get something approved without much data, yes, I think this was/is a little bit different than requiring them for school children. What we required for them had been tested much more thoroughly than the Covid vax.
For years, we required vaccinations for school children and the military. Was that Nazish?Which of those vaccines were of the 'we've never tried mRNA injections before' type ?
Which of those vaccines were of the 'we've never tried mRNA injections before' type ?
Which of those vaccines were of the 'we've never tried mRNA injections before' type ?
Yeah, ok…
Take it or we’ll fire you and take your livelihood away. Show us your vax card. Sounds pretty Nazish to me…
Thanks, Trump?
Yeah, ok…
Take it or we’ll fire you and take your livelihood away. Show us your vax card. Sounds pretty Nazish to me…
https://x.com/i/status/1537151761437409283
Several here tried to tell us this never happened. Remember it very clearly.
Freedom comes with choices. Choices sometimes have consequences.
Trump was for the vaccine before he was against it. And against it before he was for it. And also wants credit for it.
He had his cake and ate it too. Took credit for the rapid development of the vaccine while playing on ignorance and superstition.
That has been researched for over 30 years?That's not what my question was tho.
That's not what my question was tho.
Covid vaccines were the 1st mRNA vaccines granted approval, and under an emergency use authorization designation.
Who gives a fuck. It bent the curve like natural immunity never would have. It got us back to normal. Go fucking cry you cave dwellers.
Sounds very Nazish, Reacher…
Who gives a fuck. ICE struck the fear of God into illegals like nothing else could have. It got them out. Go fucking cry you cave dweller.
See , I can do that too…
Who gives a fuck. It bent the curve like natural immunity never would have. It got us back to normal. Go fucking cry you cave dwellers.
They kept saying it was going to keep getting more and more virulent if people didn’t take the vaccine even though that’s usually not how it works, then omicron came along and did wonders for herd “immunity”
Custard is teetering on the edge of conspiracy theorist in a huge way. I know because I was one.
Custard is teetering on the edge of conspiracy theorist in a huge way. I know because I was one.
I got sick as hell around Thanksgiving and didn’t shake it until almost Christmas. Still haven’t been feeling quite right ever since. Goddamn Super Flu was what got all those folks in The Stand. 😳
clearly you eat a shitty diet. Makes sense, there is pretty bad food down there in Alabama
Outside of my grilling habit I eat pretty clean. I’m 6’1” 235 and just under 15% body fat at 44.
Answer: BMI for Height 6'1" and Weight 235 lbs is 31 (Obese/Class I)
BMI is pointless
Says the fatass
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whatever fatty. Go suck on some more of your South Carolina BBQ and wash it down with your moonshine, and a hit of meth.
I’ll post some beach pics from Hawaii in my speedo in a couple weeks.
Think Golf will get aroused by this!
I’ll post some beach pics from Hawaii in my speedo in a couple weeks.
I’ll post some beach pics from Hawaii in my speedo in a couple weeks.
Mn?Remember this one ?
https://x.com/joeroganhq/status/2021704295775936784?s=46
Mn?Or this "correspondence" that was rejected by Nature until it was given "correspondence" status.
https://x.com/joeroganhq/status/2021704295775936784?s=46
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-12-10/column-with-final-report-on-pandemic-house-gop-fully-embraces-covid-conspiracy-mongeringThe "seminal" paper that Hiltzik refers to couldn't get past the editors. It was posted as "commentary".
The "seminal" paper that Hiltzik refers to couldn't get past the editors. It was posted as "commentary".
We likely will never know the origin of Covid because the scientists in China won't cooperate.A 5 count indictment of David Morens was returned.
;D
Fortunately, the nice FOIA lady was able to inform David Morens how to delete Foia requested documents before the conspiracy theorists were able to get their mitts on the documents.
And Morens' emails to Daszak and Peter Hotez stressed deleting emails and how to get information to Fauci using non-government email accounts or other means so as to not leave a paper trail.
Then there is the email to Daszak asking about a kickback.
Cheers
A 5 count indictment of David Morens was returned.
I know, cue the 'it's retribution.'
The court filing.
https://t.co/4LX4cAJtc7
From the DOJ.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-senior-niaid-official-indicted-concealing-federal-records-during-covid-19-pandemic-0
A 5 count indictment of David Morens was returned.
I know, cue the 'it's retribution.'
A 5 count indictment of David Morens was returned.
I know, cue the 'it's retribution.'
The court filing.
https://t.co/4LX4cAJtc7
From the DOJ.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-senior-niaid-official-indicted-concealing-federal-records-during-covid-19-pandemic-0
Did Morens and co-conspirators succeed? Otherwise, it's a nothing burger.
It’s common for Mn (and other conservatives here) to make nothing burgers out of important stuff and important stuff become nothing burgers.And Trump is a racist, pedophile and rapist who makes decisions only to enrich his family.
And Trump is a racist, pedophile and rapist who makes decisions only to enrich his family.
And Trump is a racist, pedophile and rapist who makes decisions only to enrich his family.
A grand jury apparently disagrees.
Cole Allen didn't succeed. It's a nothingburger.
And Trump is a racist, pedophile and rapist who makes decisions only to enrich his family.
If I recall correctly, that was a Trump defense against abuse of power. He had threatened to cut military aid to Ukraine if they didn't investigate Biden? But the whistle blower foiled his plans, so there was no abuse of powers. Something like that?Page 126 of Michael Atkinson's 2nd transcript appears to address the "threatened to cut military aid to Ukraine."
I remember that too. It was nod, nod; wink, wink.In your opinion it may have been.
In your opinion it may have been.
I'm not sure that you can say "It was ....."
That is normally how those things work..Quid pro quo is seldom explicit.
See the prosecution and conviction of Senator Robert Menendez.
That is normally how those things work..Quid pro quo is seldom explicit.'If the prosecutor isn't fired, you're not getting the billion dollars.'
See the prosecution and conviction of Senator Robert Menendez.
Mn, can we blame the rat cruise ship virus on the Chinese and Biden?You can. Who's we ?
You can. Who's we ?
The fine citizens at HQ2
The fine citizens at HQ2You go first. :D
You go first. :D
I am first trying to go through the covered up files before they get deleted!Give me some links. Maybe I can help.
Give me some links. Maybe I can help.
We need Mn to get off the VRA and onto figuring out the Rat Virus!Just stay away from South American landfills where White-bellied Seedsnipes are and you should be ok.
https://metro.co.uk/2026/05/13/chief-warns-will-hantavirus-cases-coming-weeks-28349823/