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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5535 on: July 21, 2023, 05:42:19 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 21, 2023, 05:19:49 PM
Others may have a different viewpoint, if you can believe that.

To sit here and say the gaitors work, 47%, is BS. Yes, they work better than absolutely nothing. No shit.

So you DIDN'T say earlier today that they weren't effective, and that saying that they were when they KNEW they weren't bred science skepticism?

Why is suddenly something that totally contradicts what you said earlier a 'no shit'?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5536 on: July 21, 2023, 06:10:00 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 21, 2023, 05:42:19 PM
So you DIDN'T say earlier today that they weren't effective, and that saying that they were when they KNEW they weren't bred science skepticism?

Why is suddenly something that totally contradicts what you said earlier a 'no shit'?

Yes, I did. I do not consider 47% effective in combating COVID, especially when N95s are 99%. Do you?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5537 on: July 21, 2023, 09:33:14 PM »
There is reason why Republicans think scientists covered up a lab leak. It's what they would have done.

Hypothetically, would they resort to domestic terrorism, then blame it on Arabs, and use it as an excuse to invade the Middle East?

Would Republicans consider something like that a feasible option?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5538 on: July 22, 2023, 08:09:39 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 21, 2023, 06:10:00 PM
Yes, I did. I do not consider 47% effective in combating COVID, especially when N95s are 99%. Do you?

Certainly 47% is some level of effectiveness.  Not at all what you were selling before when you were saying that then saying to use them was driving science skepticism, but obviously used to goalposts moving.

If you’re skeptical of science because they told you gaiters work, and they do, then the issue isn’t really with science at all.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5539 on: July 22, 2023, 08:32:07 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 21, 2023, 03:55:40 PM
For the most part I'm with Spark. 

The problem with Mn is that he jumps from one rabbit hole to another, taking things out of context, cherry-picking data and spreading misinformation.

It's get tedious and I understand the frustration that others have trying to follow his posts, which at times are just plain incoherent and nonsensical.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5540 on: July 22, 2023, 10:46:26 AM »
Re the possibility of a lab leak hypothesis impacting any future funding ....

"If the grant were scored and reviewed as part of the NIH’s transparent merit-based process in November 2019, is there any way that the awarding of the grant could have been used as a bribe during the February 1, 2020 conference call?” Dingell asked.

“Excluding the possibility that somebody is a time traveler, no, that is just not possible given the timeline,” Andersen insisted. Garry added: “I agree.”

Andersen's 'scored and reviewed' as of Nov 2019 NIAID grant application shows an award, budget and project start date of May 2020.



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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5541 on: July 22, 2023, 11:40:37 AM »
“Three days after they say it came from a lab, they change their position and the only intervening event is a conference call with Dr. Fauci and Dr. Collins, again, a call that Mr. Redfield was not allowed to be on, the head of CDC and on the coronavirus task force. And then three months later, shazam, they get 9 million bucks from Dr. Fauci. Well, isn’t that something.” -- Jim Jordan

What a dick. Not only is he wrong, he gloats and says gotcha! He is a mean spirited, disrespectful,  little prick. Not sure if he is a liar or misinformed.

Those guys changed their opinion over time based on new evidence.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5542 on: July 22, 2023, 12:04:59 PM »
Quote from: Mn on July 22, 2023, 10:46:26 AM
Re the possibility of a lab leak hypothesis impacting any future funding ....

"If the grant were scored and reviewed as part of the NIH’s transparent merit-based process in November 2019, is there any way that the awarding of the grant could have been used as a bribe during the February 1, 2020 conference call?” Dingell asked.

“Excluding the possibility that somebody is a time traveler, no, that is just not possible given the timeline,” Andersen insisted. Garry added: “I agree.”

Andersen's 'scored and reviewed' as of Nov 2019 NIAID grant application shows an award, budget and project start date of May 2020.


I am not going to copy and paste the whole thing. The grant application was made on or before June 28, 2019.

It was scored via peer review in November 2019. It received a high impact score of 27, virtually assuring finding.

The advisory council looked at it in January 2020 and approved the funding.

The final steps were various tedious kinds of time consuming  administrative processing. Hence the May 21 date. For all intents and purposes, the November scoring paved the way for funding approval in January. Both before the Feb phone call.
 
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5543 on: July 22, 2023, 12:35:42 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 22, 2023, 12:04:59 PM
I am not going to copy and paste the whole thing. The grant application was made on or before June 28, 2019.

It was scored via peer review in November 2019. It received a high impact score of 27, virtually assuring finding.

The advisory council looked at it in January 2020 and approved the funding.

The final steps were various tedious kinds of time consuming  administrative processing. Hence the May 21 date. For all intents and purposes, the November scoring paved the way for funding approval in January. Both before the Feb phone call.
 

For all intents and purposes, the grant was awarded on May 21, 2020.
For all intents and purposes, the grant proposal could have been revoked on May 20, 2020 without any funding having been released.
Or March 1, or April 1, or May 1.


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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5544 on: July 22, 2023, 03:14:20 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 21, 2023, 05:40:31 PM
Who said it had been disproven?

Surely you aren't referring to me, who again, has said at least five times today that it's possible and that if evidence of it comes out it should absolutely be investigated fully - right?

If you believe the statistics, many millions of people (and counting) have died from this. As such, every theoretical possibility needs to be investigated exhaustively, right fucking now.

It’s absolute insanity to watch people white knight for “science” (which is really just a huge $ business) as though it’s infallible just because the origin of the virus was turned into a political football.

What do we have to lose by aggressively investigating the deaths of millions of people so it doesn’t happen again?  It’s *almost* like you (and the others who so deeply believe in the power of institutions) are afraid of what they might find.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5545 on: July 22, 2023, 03:28:02 PM »
US Congressional Hearing Produces Heat, But No Light on COVID-Origins Debate
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-02261-w
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5546 on: July 22, 2023, 03:40:10 PM »
Quote from: Mn on July 22, 2023, 12:35:42 PM
For all intents and purposes, the grant was awarded on May 21, 2020.
For all intents and purposes, the grant proposal could have been revoked on May 20, 2020 without any funding having been released.
Or March 1, or April 1, or May 1.

^^Alternative facts.^^

Back in the real world; it was effectively approved and funded before the Feb phone call. If you bothered to read up on why it took until May 21 to finalize, you would know that.

If I read correctly through this complex maze, Eddie Holmes also applied for a grant in June 2019. However, his was denied, the impact score was too low.  Holmes was on the Feb 1 conference call snd originally leaned toward the engineered virus theory.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5547 on: July 22, 2023, 03:40:51 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 21, 2023, 03:55:40 PM
For the most part I'm with Spark. 

The problem with Mn is that he jumps from one rabbit hole to another, taking things out of context, cherry-picking data and spreading misinformation.

It's get tedious and I understand the frustration that others have trying to follow his posts, which at times are just plain incoherent and nonsensical.

Apparently a few of us can decipher Mn’s posts. Even PAMan, a Democrat.

Perhaps it’s cognitive dissonance you and others are experiencing?

I’d love to see a full scale bipartisan investigation into all potential avenues.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5548 on: July 22, 2023, 03:51:50 PM »
Quote from: Custard on July 22, 2023, 03:14:20 PM

What do we have to lose by aggressively investigating the deaths of millions of people so it doesn’t happen again?  It’s *almost* like you (and the others who so deeply believe in the power of institutions) are afraid of what they might find.

Investigate, but at least do it  seriously. Some house subcommittee on censorship just gave RFK Jr. a sympathetic platform.

Adversarial dirt digging and gotcha games are not investigations.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5549 on: July 22, 2023, 03:59:33 PM »
Quote from: Custard on July 22, 2023, 03:40:51 PM
I’d love to see a full scale bipartisan investigation into all potential avenues.

Perhaps Mn and you can hire John Durham or Matt Tabbi to get to the bottom of things.
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