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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Custard

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1155 on: December 04, 2020, 11:32:00 AM »
Of all people I thought PAMan would appreciate that meme because murph et al are always telling us Covid numbers are way up because people aren’t wearing masks and then he tells us flu numbers are way down because people are wearing masks. Usually PAMan does a pretty good job of trying to see things from the middle.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1156 on: December 04, 2020, 11:47:05 AM »
Quote from: Custard on December 04, 2020, 11:32:00 AM
Of all people I thought PAMan would appreciate that meme because murph et al are always telling us Covid numbers are way up because people aren’t wearing masks and then he tells us flu numbers are way down because people are wearing masks. Usually PAMan does a pretty good job of trying to see things from the middle.

You've used a logical fallacy. Flu numbers are "up" compared to previous years. COVID numbers are "up" compared to what they would be in theory, this year. A clever trick, to compare apples and oranges.

Both COVID numbers and flu numbers are higher than they would be if mask usage was higher. And both numbers are lower than they would be if nobody used a mask.

In a typical flu season, mask wearing is next to non-existent. this year mask wearing is much higher than typical, so flu cases are lower than baseline. We don't have a COVID baseline but it's correct by construction - if masks prevent transmission, then transmissions are lower than they would be if nobody was using a mask.

It's pretty simple, if you got past 2nd grade math.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1157 on: December 04, 2020, 12:33:51 PM »
We are in the ”post-intelligence” phase of society at this point. It doesn’t really matter how smart your brain is if you won’t try to use it.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1158 on: December 04, 2020, 12:44:33 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on December 04, 2020, 09:12:53 AM
Bitched online at my retarded politicians?  And yes, its fucking aggravating going anywhere and doing anything these days when its like an OCD hypochondriac's wet dream everywhere I go.  My god I went to Chase bank yesterday to get some cash for my assistant's Christmas bonus, and needed to open an account, inside this poor girl's office was a massive 4 foot tall plexiglass shield on her desk... I mean she's already wearing a mask all day, just fucking lol... praise his noodly appendage that I can work from home and avoid most of this absolute clown world on a daily basis.  Oh the point of my story was I haven't been to the doctor as much as I should... my knee fucking hurts and I could definitely see a dentist soon, but since our government is flat out retarded and telling everyone what they can and can't do, and people are obeying, its months till I can actually get a stupid appointment. 
Have you considered seeing if a vet can get you in sooner ?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1159 on: December 04, 2020, 01:24:29 PM »
The NY Times has developed an app to give you a preliminary and rough guesstimate of where you are in the line to receive a vaccine.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html


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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1160 on: December 04, 2020, 01:58:31 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on December 04, 2020, 09:14:15 AM
its a meme not a position...

god you lefties are fucking dumb

Seriously? A meme cannot be a position?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1161 on: December 04, 2020, 02:00:55 PM »
I really don't understand why ILLove can't see the dentist. They are still open. At least mine was for my regular check up.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1162 on: December 04, 2020, 02:03:08 PM »
Quote from: Custard on December 04, 2020, 11:32:00 AM
Of all people I thought PAMan would appreciate that meme because murph et al are always telling us Covid numbers are way up because people aren’t wearing masks and then he tells us flu numbers are way down because people are wearing masks. Usually PAMan does a pretty good job of trying to see things from the middle.

Oh, I get giving it to the mask people, but the fact is it appeared, as of Oct., that almost 2x as many people had the flu shot. Ergo, the flu numbers would arguably be down, masks or no masks, because more people are getting the shots.

I guess I just like my memes to make sense.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1163 on: December 04, 2020, 04:33:09 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on December 04, 2020, 11:47:05 AM
You've used a logical fallacy. Flu numbers are "up" compared to previous years. COVID numbers are "up" compared to what they would be in theory, this year. A clever trick, to compare apples and oranges.

Both COVID numbers and flu numbers are higher than they would be if mask usage was higher. And both numbers are lower than they would be if nobody used a mask.

In a typical flu season, mask wearing is next to non-existent. this year mask wearing is much higher than typical, so flu cases are lower than baseline. We don't have a COVID baseline but it's correct by construction - if masks prevent transmission, then transmissions are lower than they would be if nobody was using a mask.

It's pretty simple, if you got past 2nd grade math.

The cdc link I provided says that the flu is irreguarily low for this time of year.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1164 on: December 04, 2020, 04:34:10 PM »
Quote from: Mn on December 04, 2020, 12:44:33 PM
Have you considered seeing if a vet can get you in sooner ?


My doctor in high school was a vet... lol not joking
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1165 on: December 04, 2020, 04:37:05 PM »
Well, you are an ape ...
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1166 on: December 04, 2020, 06:54:28 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on December 04, 2020, 04:33:09 PM
The cdc link I provided says that the flu is irreguarily low for this time of year.

Uh, I think he explained why that was, but that it would be even lower with greater mask usage.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1167 on: December 04, 2020, 07:07:11 PM »
It is pretty obviously some combination of reduced interaction, masks, sanitizing surfaces more regularly, and more focus on proper hand washing. The meme is still funny.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1168 on: December 04, 2020, 07:11:26 PM »
Quote from: Custard on December 04, 2020, 11:32:00 AM
Usually PAMan does a pretty good job of trying to see things from the middle.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1169 on: December 05, 2020, 01:55:06 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on December 04, 2020, 01:24:29 PM
The NY Times has developed an app to give you a preliminary and rough guesstimate of where you are in the line to receive a vaccine.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html
This is fucking dumb. The NYT should be embarrassed of this. Why would they think “young adults” should be vaccinated before 40-60 year olds? And why would they think children would be vaccinated at all? The vaccines aren’t even approved for use on children.
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