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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6420 on: January 07, 2025, 10:42:12 AM »
Wouldn't doing minimal remedial efforts, as you suggested, have allowed the most dangerous strain an easier ability to spread, thus slowing down the mutation time to a less dangerous strain? I am not an expert, and I slept at home last night, but wouldn't that be the impact of no or minimal remediation efforts?
Other than some mad scientists playing around in a lab to see if they could make something more pathogenic they probably didn't know what they actually created and nobody knew how to address what had been created.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6421 on: January 07, 2025, 12:19:17 PM »
Wouldn't doing minimal remedial efforts, as you suggested, have allowed the most dangerous strain an easier ability to spread, thus slowing down the mutation time to a less dangerous strain? I am not an expert, and I slept at home last night, but wouldn't that be the impact of no or minimal remediation efforts?

No. You have it backwards, a couple of times.

If by remedial efforts you mean masks, distancing, etc... that would made it harder for the original strain to spread, not easier.

But if the original strain is spreading more easily, it now inhabits more hosts and there are more sum total little viruses out there, each of which will replicate and have a very small chance of mutating. One could argue that faster spread decreases the time to mutation.

What you really look at it is not time to mutation, but infections to mutation, to measure the overall impact. Allowing unfettered spread would mean that the mutations happen faster and also that the population would develop some immunity. You could argue that shortens the overall time span of the pandemic, but that's not free.

Having the pandemic burn out faster costs a lot of lives, in multiple ways. All the while the pandemic is raging, big pharma is developing vaccines, which when rolled out, will reduce mortality. And unfettered early spread would have a larger impact on the hospital system, meaning less ability to treat people who would recover, and people with non-COVID needs of hospital services.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6422 on: January 07, 2025, 12:22:07 PM »
Other than some mad scientists playing around in a lab to see if they could make something more pathogenic they probably didn't know what they actually created and nobody knew how to address what had been created.

Sure somebody does. Charles Darwin does. The virus has mutated to various strains, and the evolutionary nature of this where more severe forms of the virus kill the host faster and thus have less chance to spread.

Hmm... the deniers would say we should just let the pandemic burn out via mutations to less deadly strains, but that would be an admission of the existence of evolution. Such a conundrum.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6423 on: January 07, 2025, 12:23:12 PM »
Literally no one said to do no or minimal remedial efforts. But don’t even know why that’s being brought up when all I did was point out that I was saying what murph is trying to pass off as news two years ago regarding less virulent strains inoculating people and becoming endemic.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6424 on: January 07, 2025, 12:34:37 PM »
No. You have it backwards, a couple of times.

If by remedial efforts you mean masks, distancing, etc... that would made it harder for the original strain to spread, not easier.

But if the original strain is spreading more easily, it now inhabits more hosts and there are more sum total little viruses out there, each of which will replicate and have a very small chance of mutating. One could argue that faster spread decreases the time to mutation.

What you really look at it is not time to mutation, but infections to mutation, to measure the overall impact. Allowing unfettered spread would mean that the mutations happen faster and also that the population would develop some immunity. You could argue that shortens the overall time span of the pandemic, but that's not free.

Having the pandemic burn out faster costs a lot of lives, in multiple ways. All the while the pandemic is raging, big pharma is developing vaccines, which when rolled out, will reduce mortality. And unfettered early spread would have a larger impact on the hospital system, meaning less ability to treat people who would recover, and people with non-COVID needs of hospital services.

I said minimal to none. People were against doing minimal remedial measures such as masking and distancing.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6425 on: January 07, 2025, 12:35:42 PM »
Literally no one said to do no or minimal remedial efforts. But don’t even know why that’s being brought up when all I did was point out that I was saying what murph is trying to pass off as news two years ago regarding less virulent strains inoculating people and becoming endemic.

Yes, people said to do no or minimal remedial efforts, including masking.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6426 on: January 07, 2025, 01:28:54 PM »

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« Reply #6427 on: January 07, 2025, 05:36:37 PM »
Yes, people said to do no or minimal remedial efforts, including masking.

I didn’t say that, and I was who you two were responding to.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6428 on: January 07, 2025, 05:39:53 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6429 on: January 07, 2025, 07:06:15 PM »
Because FOX News told me so…

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6430 on: January 07, 2025, 09:42:07 PM »
I didn’t say that, and I was who you two were responding to.

 Well what remedial measures were you in favor of? You certainly were not in favor of quite a few that were in place.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6431 on: January 11, 2025, 07:32:00 AM »
"These people from the Biden administration ........"

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6432 on: January 11, 2025, 08:12:16 AM »
"These people from the Biden administration ........"

https://x.com/i/status/1877785122314875330

LOL.

I don't understand why people are upset about this moderation crap. Not like any of it was effective in the first place.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6433 on: January 11, 2025, 09:02:03 AM »
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« Reply #6434 on: January 11, 2025, 09:22:27 AM »
LOL.

I don't understand why people are upset about this moderation crap. Not like any of it was effective in the first place.
Oh, it was if 10-15% of voters said they would not have voted for Biden if they had known that Hunter's laptop was not Russki disinformation.