WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

Custard

12329
+238/-2982

Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #4185 on: January 13, 2022, 04:50:29 PM »

Quote from: Tempo34 on January 13, 2022, 03:35:42 PM

Stop spreading misinformation, then telling people to “follow the science.”

Once again you’re ill-informed and shooting from the hip.

Logged

Poster Boy for White Male Indifference

AOTC on basically everything measurable

“Custard, you were RIGHT!” -Tempo

Somewhere in Mn

12720
+179/-2622

Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #4186 on: January 13, 2022, 04:52:15 PM »

Quote from: Chickengeorge on January 13, 2022, 04:39:57 PM

https://fee.org/articles/athletes-who-had-covid-will-be-considered-fully-vaccinated-ncaa-says-in-new-guidelines/?fbclid=IwAR3KmNd7By-VrmIQiVv1Y5su21NPRb1Hwf-jqeSETjrFg5l4dedRd9EfAnc

I saw that in a tweet too, and tried looking for confirmation. Couldn't find anything.

Logged

Chickengeorge

1963
+47/-659

Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #4187 on: January 13, 2022, 05:00:39 PM »

Quote from: Mn on January 13, 2022, 04:52:15 PM

I saw that in a tweet too, and tried looking for confirmation. Couldn't find anything.

I can't verify the source, but it was interesting.

Logged

Somewhere in Mn

12720
+179/-2622

Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #4188 on: January 13, 2022, 05:06:21 PM »

Quote from: Chickengeorge on January 13, 2022, 05:00:39 PM

I can't verify the source, but it was interesting.

I'm thinking somebody spoke too soon, or somebody misunderstood what was being said.

Logged

illiniray

9367
+628/-2099

Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #4189 on: January 13, 2022, 05:33:39 PM »

Quote from: Custard on January 13, 2022, 03:12:24 PM

There is no immunity or cure just like the common cold. Cuz it’s a coronavirus. We knew this was likely a long time ago.

Follow the science. And the money.

Off the top of my elderly brain, the common cold is a general term for mild to moderate upper respiratory illnesses caused by a large number of highly contagious rhinoviruses, adenoviruses, and coronaviruses.

There could certainly be an immunity to any of the specific viruses. There are too many, plus variants, to contemplate a vaccine. Moreover, common colds aren't really a big deal.

The main problem we have with influenza vaccines is the influenza virus is able to evolve and produce variants fairly rapidly. That is why we need annual boosters.

Obviously, the covid19 virus can produce variants, but probably not as rapidly as the flu. The original SARS virus was apparently contained. Also, I read that flu viruses can exchange genetic information, something 'ronas can't do.

I read there is a rare class of viruses for which there is no immunity in practice. Immunity to one variant actually makes you more susceptible to other variants. I don't recall the details off hand.

« Last Edit: January 14, 2022, 12:21:03 AM by illiniray »

Logged

“Taking a trip? Where to?” -“Wherever I end up, I guess. -“Man, I wish I was you." -Well, hang in there.”

Reacher

39954
+1073/-1061
You should see my passer rating

Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #4190 on: January 13, 2022, 09:03:35 PM »

Quote from: Chickengeorge on January 13, 2022, 04:39:57 PM

https://fee.org/articles/athletes-who-had-covid-will-be-considered-fully-vaccinated-ncaa-says-in-new-guidelines/?fbclid=IwAR3KmNd7By-VrmIQiVv1Y5su21NPRb1Hwf-jqeSETjrFg5l4dedRd9EfAnc

Cool sig, bro!

Logged

"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

illiniray

9367
+628/-2099

Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #4191 on: January 14, 2022, 12:47:41 AM »

"Antibody-dependent enhancement [or ADE]

This is a phenomenon in which virus-reactive antibodies increase the efficiency of virus infection."

https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/luc-montagniers-views-on-covid-vaccines-are-latest-of-his-wrong-vexing-ideas/

Logged

“Taking a trip? Where to?” -“Wherever I end up, I guess. -“Man, I wish I was you." -Well, hang in there.”

Reacher

39954
+1073/-1061
You should see my passer rating

Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #4192 on: January 14, 2022, 04:23:37 AM »

Quote from: Custard on January 13, 2022, 04:50:29 PM

Once again you’re ill-informed and shooting from the hip.

Aren’t you among the “isolate the old and ‘at risk’ and get back to normal”
crowd? One thing I’m fairly certain of, is that you’re not among the more cautious about the virus.

Logged

"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

Reacher

39954
+1073/-1061
You should see my passer rating

Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #4193 on: January 14, 2022, 04:30:02 AM »

Quote from: Custard on January 13, 2022, 03:12:24 PM

There is no immunity or cure just like the common cold. Cuz it’s a coronavirus. We knew this was likely a long time ago.

Follow the science. And the money.

See, this right here is misleading. No one, not even the CDC is saying there is 100% “immunity.” The vaccine greatly reduces the risk of being exposed to the virus. That’s it. No guarantees. And your “follow the money” schtick is very telling where you stand. Stop spreading misinformation. And don’t try to convince me you understand the science. Because you don’t. Your pseudo-science stance is just an attempt to compartmentalize the virus into your narrower than you would like to believe world view.

In a few very short sentences you squeezed in like 4 tropes. Well done.

« Last Edit: January 14, 2022, 04:31:40 AM by Tempo34 »

Logged

"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

Reacher

39954
+1073/-1061
You should see my passer rating

Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #4194 on: January 14, 2022, 04:43:17 AM »

Quote from: Custard on January 13, 2022, 03:12:24 PM

There is no immunity or cure just like the common cold. Cuz it’s a coronavirus. We knew this was likely a long time ago.

Follow the science. And the money.

1) “there is no immunity”

No one claims that.

2) “there is no cure”

Again, no one claims that. But there is treatment, and there are also preventative measures that don’t eliminate risk but do reduce risk.

3) “we knew this was likely”

Who is “we?” And what was the value of “knowing” this?

4) “Follow the science. AND the money.”

If that isn’t some Fox News style open ended misleading, I don’t know what it is. Hannity and Tucker would be proud.

Logged

"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

Reacher

39954
+1073/-1061
You should see my passer rating

Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #4195 on: January 14, 2022, 04:55:19 AM »

5) “just like the COMMON cold”

*wink*

Logged

"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

Reacher

39954
+1073/-1061
You should see my passer rating

Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #4196 on: January 14, 2022, 06:06:40 AM »

Maybe you could send Stephanie Grams (who just lost her seemingly healthy 29 year old husband) of McHenry, Illinois a message, and ask her if she thinks Covid-19 is anything fucking similar to the “common cold.” She found out she’s got a baby on the way the week he died btw.

Logged

"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

Reacher

39954
+1073/-1061
You should see my passer rating

Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #4197 on: January 14, 2022, 06:44:08 AM »

So sick of pseudo intellectual anti-government fuckwads and their mixed messaging trying to compartmentalize Covid-19 into their narrow world views.

Logged

"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

Judge Judy

11935
+120/-1812

Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #4198 on: January 14, 2022, 06:54:01 AM »

While that is very sad, the percentages, statistics, and science show things like that are an outlier. So you coming on here and stating that getting the vaccine is a must because Stephanie Grams husband in McHenry died isn’t a very good argument.

I posted on here before that I followed MY doctor’s advice and did what My medical professional said was best for me. Isn’t that what everyone should do?! You can’t lump everyone in to a box because they did or didn’t get the vaccine. Doing that is part of the problem. Just because you’re not vaccinated doesn’t make you an anti-vaxxer or some right-wing conspiracist.

Custard has provided numerous PERSONAL examples on here… much like your story above, but you and others discredit them for some odd reason stating it’s not valid. But hey, keep on keeping on.

And yes, you friend’s story is sad. I’m sorry he passed. Unfortunately he made a personal choice and suffered the consequences. If we started implementing government policy on just those examples, we wouldn’t be a free society. I mean isn’t there a 96+% survival rate?! Start doing that with other things and you can quickly see a problem.

Logged

Because FOX News told me so…

HQ2 Cesspool March Madness champion 🏆

Somewhere in Mn

12720
+179/-2622

Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #4199 on: January 14, 2022, 07:05:01 AM »

Quote from: illiniray on January 14, 2022, 12:47:41 AM

"Antibody-dependent enhancement [or ADE]

This is a phenomenon in which virus-reactive antibodies increase the efficiency of virus infection."

https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/luc-montagniers-views-on-covid-vaccines-are-latest-of-his-wrong-vexing-ideas/

Alum posted the same link a few days ago.

Shahid Jameel :
Believes the notion that Omicron can act as a natural vaccine is a dangerous idea spread by irresponsible people.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/omicron-natural-vaccine-experts-call-notion-dangerous-say-doesnt-take-long-covid-into-account/articleshow/88645121.cms

Jameel: Covaxin should be used as a booster.
https://m.economictimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/no-doubt-no-of-omicron-cases-will-go-up-in-india-dr-shahid-jameel/articleshow/88363300.cms
"One bright spot is that vaccines may be protective. White House chief medical adviser Anthony Fauci said that preliminary evidence from lab studies suggest Covaxin, a vaccine developed in India, appears capable of neutralizing the variant.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/what-we-know-about-indian-variant-coronavirus-sweeps-south-asia-2021-04-30/

Shahid Jameel, chief executive of IndiaAlliance, a large research funder in New Delhi and Hyderabad. It supports biomedical and health research in India, and is itself funded by Wellcome and the Indian government’s Department of Biotechnology.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00455-0

Shahid Jameel and Wellcome Trust :
Chief Executive Officer at The Wellcome Trust / DBT India Alliance

The Proximal Origins piece, co-signed by Jeremy Farrar, director of Wellcome Trust, and Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth.
". We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin."

Feb 1, 2020
"Some of the emails included notes from a Feb. 1, 2020, conference call in which at least 11 scientists theorized about the virus's origin, with many leaning toward the lab leak theory.

"[The emails] reveal that Dr. Fauci was warned of two things: (1) the potential that COVID-19 leaked from the Wuhan Institute Virology (WIV) and (2) the possibility that the virus was intentionally genetically manipulated," the lawmakers said.
Dr. Jeremy Farrar, the director of the Wellcome Trust, sent an email to Collins, Fauci, and Lawrence Tabak (then the principal deputy director of the NIH and now its acting director) on Feb. 2, 2020, summarizing the conference call and indicating that some of the scientists believed the lab leak theory was viable. Farrar noted, for example, that Mike Farzan (dubbed the "discoverer of SARS receptor" and a professor of immunology at Scripps Research) found a key aspect of the virus "highly unlikely" to have developed outside a lab.

But in another email from the same day referenced in the lawmakers' letter, Ron Fouchier, the deputy head of the Erasmus MC Department of Viroscience, seemed to embrace the theory that the virus occurred naturally and warned that lab leak discussions could "do unnecessary harm to science in general and science in China in particular."
https://denvergazette.com/news/fauci-shut-down-lab-leak-theory-despite-scientists-lending-it-credence-emails-show/article_908df8b6-2161-5b7e-b7ed-003be942e341.html

Logged