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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5550 on: July 22, 2023, 04:11:56 PM »
Quote from: Custard on July 22, 2023, 03:40:51 PM

Perhaps it’s cognitive dissonance you and others are experiencing?


More like losing patience on multiple levels. Nobody here understands the technical language.  Spike Proteins. Something something.

On the claim Fauci used grants to bribe scientists to change their minds; that has been debunked.

It's just exactly like the 'Hillary sold the Russians our Uranium' lie.

'A lie can travel halfway round the world while the truth is putting on its shoes."

I can't even offhand remember the name of the organization that makes the grants. National Institute of Algae and Incestuous Disease?

But anyway; that is not how it works. There is a lengthy, bureaucratic process. I don't think Fauci had that authority.

Here is a pretty good counter: https://www.factcheck.org/2023/03/scicheck-no-evidence-scientists-received-grant-for-changing-opinion-on-pandemic-origins-contrary-to-claims/
 
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5551 on: July 22, 2023, 04:12:58 PM »
To repeat: they did aggressively look into the lab leak theory.  At one point even thought it was the most probable origin.  The evidence led them elsewhere.  They said over and over that if any evidence arose that did point to a lab leak at some point in the future, they would want it fully investigated.  And, same.  But that evidence has not arisen yet.

The “centrist” type who grew up conservative and is smart enough to see how dangerous the GOP is right now, but still spends all his time ranting about liberals and scientists.  Always good for a hearty laugh.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5552 on: July 23, 2023, 07:07:22 AM »
“Science.” Lol
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5553 on: July 23, 2023, 07:34:12 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 22, 2023, 03:28:02 PM
US Congressional Hearing Produces Heat, But No Light on COVID-Origins Debate
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-02261-w
And from your linked Nature article.
"But days later, after further analysis, he and his colleagues concluded that the theory was implausible. This became the basis for the Nature Medicine paper."

Wrong. The "paper" being rejected by Nature was the basis.
Maybe the author could go in to why it was rejected by the organization that he's writing for.

And "the paper" was posted as "Commentary" in Nature Medicine.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5554 on: July 23, 2023, 07:58:26 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 22, 2023, 03:40:10 PM
^^Alternative facts.^^

Back in the real world; it was effectively approved and funded before the Feb phone call. If you bothered to read up on why it took until May 21 to finalize, you would know that.

But Dingell's question mentions "the awarding of the grant ..."
Andersen says "that is just not possible" and Garry agrees.

Garry was also a recipient of the grant awarded on May 21, 2020.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5555 on: July 23, 2023, 08:20:06 AM »
Quote from: Custard on July 22, 2023, 03:40:51 PM
Apparently a few of us can decipher Mn’s posts. Even PAMan, a Democrat.

I’d love to see a full scale bipartisan investigation into all potential avenues.
Maybe ThePAMan can decipher the posts because he's in his words, "a fucking lawyer". Lol

Other functions of these committees include oversight and legislation. Not all of the questioning necessarily pertains to the origin.
WTF are we doing in collaborative work with a lab in China, with it's Chinese military presence, where China's approval is required before data is uploaded to GenBank ?
And WTF are we doing deleting data at the request of the researchers in China ?

Legislation can be a useful tool, and there was an uproar over the recent change to require more oversight over sub-awards.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5556 on: July 23, 2023, 12:18:49 PM »
Quote from: Mn on July 23, 2023, 08:20:06 AM
Maybe ThePAMan can decipher the posts because he's in his words, "a fucking lawyer". Lol

Other functions of these committees include oversight and legislation. Not all of the questioning necessarily pertains to the origin.
WTF are we doing in collaborative work with a lab in China, with it's Chinese military presence, where China's approval is required before data is uploaded to GenBank ?
And WTF are we doing deleting data at the request of the researchers in China ?

Legislation can be a useful tool, and there was an uproar over the recent change to require more oversight over sub-awards.

The origin of COVID has become this century's JFK assassination. The conspiracy theories will never die.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5557 on: July 23, 2023, 02:55:43 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 23, 2023, 12:18:49 PM
The origin of COVID has become this century's JFK assassination. The conspiracy theories will never die.

Long story short....know an in law of someone whose father was a Warren Commission investigator. In law claimed the investigator thinks The Mob had JFK killed.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5558 on: July 23, 2023, 03:06:37 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 21, 2023, 05:42:19 PM
So you DIDN'T say earlier today that they weren't effective, and that saying that they were when they KNEW they weren't bred science skepticism?

Why is suddenly something that totally contradicts what you said earlier a 'no shit'?

 Did they say anything remotely similar to these are only 47% effective or that N95s were 99% effective? Nope. They knew it, but wanted to save the effective masks for the 1st responders.

For an airborne virus that was killing people, no, I don't consider 47% to be effective.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5559 on: July 23, 2023, 03:27:29 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 23, 2023, 03:06:37 PM
Did they say anything remotely similar to these are only 47% effective or that N95s were 99% effective? Nope. They knew it, but wanted to save the effective masks for the 1st responders.

For an airborne virus that was killing people, no, I don't consider 47% to be effective.

They said to wear the gaiters if you didn't have a mask.  You said that bred skepticism, because they knew the gaiters didn't work.

But the gaiters do work, as you've acknowledged since you said it - you even said no shit they work.  You claimed science skepticism was bred by someone saying something that is true.

I will argue that saying shit like "they lied and said gaiters work" when they DO work and you've already acknowledged that, probably doesn't help with the science skepticism.  Certainly that sort of thing is a lot worse than saying to wear one if you don't have a mask "when they don't work" even though they do to some degree.

I don't really give a fuck what you "count" as effective.  You said they lied when they said they worked to use if you didn't have a mask.  They did.  The end.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5560 on: July 23, 2023, 04:14:21 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 23, 2023, 03:27:29 PM
They said to wear the gaiters if you didn't have a mask.  You said that bred skepticism, because they knew the gaiters didn't work.

But the gaiters do work, as you've acknowledged since you said it - you even said no shit they work.  You claimed science skepticism was bred by someone saying something that is true.

I will argue that saying shit like "they lied and said gaiters work" when they DO work and you've already acknowledged that, probably doesn't help with the science skepticism.  Certainly that sort of thing is a lot worse than saying to wear one if you don't have a mask "when they don't work" even though they do to some degree.

I don't really give a fuck what you "count" as effective.  You said they lied when they said they worked to use if you didn't have a mask.  They did.  The end.

They didn't say that Spark. They did not tell people they worked less than half the time because they wanted to save the N95s for first responders. They lied. How many people died because they wore gaiters instead of a mask? We'll never know,  will we?

99% would be effective in stopping the spread of an airborne virus, 47% isn't.

Definitely not going to bring back the people that died because they were not provided enough info to make an informed decision.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5561 on: July 23, 2023, 04:22:08 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5562 on: July 23, 2023, 04:38:48 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 22, 2023, 04:11:56 PM
More like losing patience on multiple levels. Nobody here understands the technical language.  Spike Proteins. Something something.

On the claim Fauci used grants to bribe scientists to change their minds; that has been debunked.

It's just exactly like the 'Hillary sold the Russians our Uranium' lie.

'A lie can travel halfway round the world while the truth is putting on its shoes."

I can't even offhand remember the name of the organization that makes the grants. National Institute of Algae and Incestuous Disease?

But anyway; that is not how it works. There is a lengthy, bureaucratic process. I don't think Fauci had that authority.

Here is a pretty good counter: https://www.factcheck.org/2023/03/scicheck-no-evidence-scientists-received-grant-for-changing-opinion-on-pandemic-origins-contrary-to-claims/

Thanks for the link, Nichi.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5563 on: July 23, 2023, 04:56:01 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 23, 2023, 02:55:43 PM
Long story short....know an in law of someone whose father was a Warren Commission investigator. In law claimed the investigator thinks The Mob had JFK killed.

That brings back memories.  My mom's hairdresser had an in-law of someone whose cousin was a CIA agent.  The hairdresser claimed the agent thinks the pro-Castro Cubans put Oswald up to the assassination.   

Me: I think LBJ ordered the hit.     
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5564 on: July 23, 2023, 04:57:22 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 23, 2023, 04:56:01 PM
That brings back memories.  My mom's hairdresser had an in-law of someone whose cousin was a CIA agent.  The hairdresser claimed the agent thinks the pro-Castro Cubans put Oswald up to the assassination.   

Me: I think LBJ ordered the hit.     

Wow. That's a spicy hot take!
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