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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5460 on: July 19, 2023, 03:04:03 PM »
Quote from: Custard on July 19, 2023, 01:21:04 PM
I ‘member when the left belly laughed when Trump suggested bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US.

IIRC, that was like him talking about infrastructure week.  There's talkers and doers.  Sleepy Joe is a doer.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5461 on: July 19, 2023, 03:15:39 PM »
Quote from: ridingthegrange on July 19, 2023, 03:04:03 PM
IIRC, that was like him talking about infrastructure week.  There's talkers and doers.  Sleepy Joe is a doer.

Even when he is sleeping he's dreaming up ways to mess with McCarthy.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5462 on: July 19, 2023, 03:18:44 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 19, 2023, 02:38:11 PM
And yet zilch happened until those meddling kids got involved. Unsure how that proves "peer review" worked in this matter. Oh, that is because it didn't.

We all recognize that the processes for ferreting out the manipulation of research data are not perfect.

From the November 2022 article:

"The EMBO Journal wrote in a public post last week that it is reviewing the allegations regarding a 2008 paper about receptors within the brain for which Tessier-Lavigne is listed as the third author of 11. 'The EMBO Journal is aware of these issues and is looking into this,' the journal wrote. Facundo Batista, EMBO’s editor-in-chief, confirmed the investigation in emails with The Daily, writing that the journal has already 'evaluated' the issues raised on PubPeer and 'as a consequence' is “currently engaged in a full due diligence screen.'”

"Since 2011, EMBO has employed a data integrity analyst, who analyzes all papers before publication. Public allegations first raised on PubPeer in 2018 have brought the 2008 paper to EMBO’s attention."

"The public acknowledgement marks a rare step for EMBO, which is regularly rated among the top journals of its field by Scimago Journal Rankings and receives almost 3,000 submissions per year. The journal has retracted papers based on PubPeer allegations without first publicly acknowledging an ongoing investigation."
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5463 on: July 19, 2023, 04:01:30 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 19, 2023, 02:33:42 PM
Wasn't it a bunch of kids at the campus paper?

Also, aren't the papers 5 to 10 years old at this point?

There is a degree of ethical decadence, excess respect for position, and cover ups system wide.

Northwestern tried to cover the hazing scandal and give goodle boy Paddy Fitzgerald a vacation. They trained their kids too well.

I should have said the system worked.

Peer review might have quietly swept it out the back door.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5464 on: July 19, 2023, 05:36:57 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 19, 2023, 04:01:30 PM
There is a degree of ethical decadence, excess respect for position, and cover ups system wide.

Northwestern tried to cover the hazing scandal and give goodle boy Paddy Fitzgerald a vacation. They trained their kids too well.

I should have said the system worked.

Peer review might have quietly swept it out the back door.

Let's be real that there are major differences in importance between what Fitzee was doing, or not, and what the guy who was the president of a prestigious university was doing here.

The system did not work. Are you sure the system is working in figuring out the origins of COVID-19?

"Trust, but verify," as one of your old idols once said. The trust part is a little tough at this point given all that has happened, but I do remain open to being convinced as to the source of the virus.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5465 on: July 19, 2023, 07:39:01 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 19, 2023, 02:33:42 PM

Also, aren't the papers 5 to 10 years old at this point?

To you that seems old. In science, that is recent..

Do you know what exactly what was not up to snuff, and what impact it has had?

Scientists are human and not perfect, but I still trust them over Republican liars.

Did you click the Paige Spiranac link?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5466 on: July 19, 2023, 10:32:27 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 19, 2023, 07:39:01 PM
To you that seems old. In science, that is recent..

Do you know what exactly what was not up to snuff, and what impact it has had?

Scientists are human and not perfect, but I still trust them over Republican liars.

Did you click the Paige Spiranac link?

No, she looking hot?

I doubt you get to he President of Stanford by being a mediocre white guy like the rest of us here. Sounds like this guy may be pathological in his tactics. How he gets to remain as a professor is interesting, to say the least. I'm sure he will be a positive role model for his students.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5467 on: July 19, 2023, 11:14:54 PM »
Based on a cursory look, it appears Pat Fitzgerald was making 5 times what the Stanford guy with the hyphenated name was getting.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5468 on: July 19, 2023, 11:19:07 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 19, 2023, 11:14:54 PM
Based on a cursory look, it appears Pat Fitzgerald was making 5 times what the Stanford guy with the hyphenated name was getting.

Ok. So that makes Fitzgerald more important in the grand scheme of things? Seems like an odd point to raise in this context.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5469 on: July 20, 2023, 06:59:31 AM »
Quote from: ridingthegrange on July 19, 2023, 03:04:03 PM
IIRC, that was like him talking about infrastructure week.  There's talkers and doers.  Sleepy Joe is a doer.

I ‘member Trump’s beautiful healthcare plan he was going to unveil to us. Wonder what happened.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5470 on: July 20, 2023, 09:29:44 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 19, 2023, 10:08:19 AM
There just might be middle path between going off half cocked with  unproven lab leak theories .....

Conversations between the Proximal Origin authors suggest that maybe discussion of anything other than a zoonotic origin is the "half cocked" approach.

"The virus’ characteristics were “exactly what was expected by engineering,” wrote Edward Holmes on Slack on February 1. 

A key piece of evidence that the virus may have been engineered is the “furin cleavage site” on the “spike protein.” The special feature allows SARS-CoV-2 to bind to human receptor sites, making the virus highly infectious.

In reference to it, Holmes said, “Bob [Garry] said the insertion was the 1st thing he would add.”

“Yeah,” agreed Andersen, “the furin site would be the first thing to add for sure.”

Garry explained how easy it would be to engineer the virus. “Transmitting a bat virus like RatG13 in HeLa cells and then asking your graduate student to insert a furin site…” he wrote. “It’s not crackpot to suggest this could have happened given the GoF [gain of function] research [which increases infectiousness] we know is happening.”

Or would you have preferred a scenario where a bioweapon was released but no one was allowed to suggest that half cocked possibility ?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5471 on: July 20, 2023, 09:51:32 AM »
Quote from: Mn on July 20, 2023, 09:29:44 AM

A key piece of evidence that the virus may have been engineered is the “furin cleavage site” on the “spike protein.” The special feature allows SARS-CoV-2 to bind to human receptor sites, making the virus highly infectious.


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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5472 on: July 20, 2023, 11:51:38 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 20, 2023, 09:51:32 AM
We knew you were a pervert. Furry cleavage!

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Watch it Murph. Furry is a touchy subject for folks in Minnesota. It’s code for kids who identify as cats. Schools everywhere in the state are being forced to provide litter boxes so that these kids can do their business.   
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5473 on: July 20, 2023, 12:59:42 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 20, 2023, 11:51:38 AM
Watch it Murph. Furry is a touchy subject for folks in Minnesota. It’s code for kids who identify as cats. Schools everywhere in the state are being forced to provide litter boxes so that these kids can do their business.   
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5474 on: July 20, 2023, 02:19:04 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 20, 2023, 06:59:31 AM
I ‘member Trump’s beautiful healthcare plan he was going to unveil to us. Wonder what happened.

He said something about people with preexisting conditions being held responsible for them. The implication was that some might have to pay more or have exclusions and so on. Then things got quiet.

He wound up taking credit for eliminating the poorly managed and unpopular tax penalty for no or noncompliant insurance.
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