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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5115 on: February 12, 2023, 01:51:27 PM »
Most of us have moved on, but our intrepid coronavirus culture warriors, MN and his occasional sidekick Custard, are still fighting the good fight.  Taking facts out of context, cherry-picking data, citing garbage in/garbage out studies and revising history. 

The recent Fauci et. al scientific article is a nothingburger, except in the right-wing echo-chamber of course.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-mRNA-vaccine-fauci-387418337013

For those of you who took the vaccines, raise your hand if you thought they would prevent all infections.  After the first round of jabs, many of us continued to wear masks in crowded settings to minimize our risk.  We also understood the virus would evolve over time.  Also, raise your hand if you took the vaccines solely based on a news article or press release quoting Fauci.  What MN and Custard seem to ignore is that many people also listened to the advice of their doctors, local infectious disease experts and state public health officals to get a sense of the vaccine's effectiveness.   

It's pretty ugly watching MN and Custard lose their minds because Fauci changed his mind about the effectiveness of vaccines based on new evidence as variants, like Omicron, got more contagious.  That’s the bedrock of scientific progress; unfortunately, MN and Custard see it as a “gotcha” moment.  Take that LIBS!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

The good news is the vaccines have held up pretty well to protect against the more serious virus symptoms.  It’s the same reason I take the flu vaccine every year.  I recognize its limitations.  Fauci and his co-authors also recognize that we need new approaches to make respiratory virus vaccines more effective.  Make sense to me. 

Here’s a good roundup of the kind of crap that MN, Custard and their brethren have been throwing against the wall over the past two years in a lame, ongoing attempt to denigrate Fauci. 
https://www.science.org/content/article/almost-everything-tucker-carlson-said-about-anthony-fauci-week-was-misleading-or-false

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5116 on: February 12, 2023, 02:00:46 PM »
Most of us have moved on, but our intrepid coronavirus culture warriors, MN and his occasional sidekick Custard, are still fighting the good fight.  Taking facts out of context, cherry-picking data, citing garbage in/garbage out studies and revising history. 

The recent Fauci et. al scientific article is a nothingburger, except in the right-wing echo-chamber of course.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-mRNA-vaccine-fauci-387418337013

For those of you who took the vaccines, raise your hand if you thought they would prevent all infections.  After the first round of jabs, many of us continued to wear masks in crowded settings to minimize our risk.  We also understood the virus would evolve over time.  Also, raise your hand if you took the vaccines solely based on a news article or press release quoting Fauci.  What MN and Custard seem to ignore is that many people also listened to the advice of their doctors, local infectious disease experts and state public health officals to get a sense of the vaccine's effectiveness.   

It's pretty ugly watching MN and Custard lose their minds because Fauci changed his mind about the effectiveness of vaccines based on new evidence as variants, like Omicron, got more contagious.  That’s the bedrock of scientific progress; unfortunately, MN and Custard see it as a “gotcha” moment.  Take that LIBS!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

The good news is the vaccines have held up pretty well to protect against the more serious virus symptoms.  It’s the same reason I take the flu vaccine every year.  I recognize its limitations.  Fauci and his co-authors also recognize that we need new approaches to make respiratory virus vaccines more effective.  Make sense to me. 

Here’s a good roundup of the kind of crap that MN, Custard and their brethren have been throwing against the wall over the past two years in a lame, ongoing attempt to denigrate Fauci. 
https://www.science.org/content/article/almost-everything-tucker-carlson-said-about-anthony-fauci-week-was-misleading-or-false

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5117 on: February 12, 2023, 02:04:21 PM »
Tucker Carlson said it happened, ergo it did.

I don’t watch Tucker Carlson, I lived it.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5118 on: February 12, 2023, 02:07:36 PM »
I don’t watch Tucker Carlson, I lived it.

More of a Charlie Kirk guy?
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #5119 on: February 12, 2023, 02:08:03 PM »
Can you provide a handful of links to those promises? And not just say, one quote or so.

You won’t even accept a completely blatant one from our own sitting president who made the proclamation on national television in the summer of 2021 when the vaccine machine was in full force. So what the fuck is anyone ever going to do to change your mind? You just dismiss it anyways and go on believing whatever it is you believe.

It’s not just this thread, it’s every thread. You’re the most hard headed mule that I’ve ever come across on an Illini forum. All the arrogance of being right without any of the burden of ever having to stand corrected.
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« Reply #5120 on: February 12, 2023, 02:09:06 PM »
More of a Charlie Kirk guy?

I don’t even know who that is. But I do know you have a list of journalists and personalities that you will not even entertain the idea of listening to. Like how you used to like Matt Tabbai but he said some stuff you didn’t agree with so no he’s dead to you because cognitive dissonance.
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« Reply #5121 on: February 12, 2023, 02:19:36 PM »
Most of us have moved on, but our intrepid coronavirus culture warriors, MN and his occasional sidekick Custard, are still fighting the good fight.  Taking facts out of context, cherry-picking data, citing garbage in/garbage out studies and revising history. 

The recent Fauci et. al scientific article is a nothingburger, except in the right-wing echo-chamber of course.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-mRNA-vaccine-fauci-387418337013

For those of you who took the vaccines, raise your hand if you thought they would prevent all infections.  After the first round of jabs, many of us continued to wear masks in crowded settings to minimize our risk.  We also understood the virus would evolve over time.  Also, raise your hand if you took the vaccines solely based on a news article or press release quoting Fauci.  What MN and Custard seem to ignore is that many people also listened to the advice of their doctors, local infectious disease experts and state public health officals to get a sense of the vaccine's effectiveness.   

It's pretty ugly watching MN and Custard lose their minds because Fauci changed his mind about the effectiveness of vaccines based on new evidence as variants, like Omicron, got more contagious.  That’s the bedrock of scientific progress; unfortunately, MN and Custard see it as a “gotcha” moment.  Take that LIBS!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

The good news is the vaccines have held up pretty well to protect against the more serious virus symptoms.  It’s the same reason I take the flu vaccine every year.  I recognize its limitations.  Fauci and his co-authors also recognize that we need new approaches to make respiratory virus vaccines more effective.  Make sense to me. 

Here’s a good roundup of the kind of crap that MN, Custard and their brethren have been throwing against the wall over the past two years in a lame, ongoing attempt to denigrate Fauci. 
https://www.science.org/content/article/almost-everything-tucker-carlson-said-about-anthony-fauci-week-was-misleading-or-false

#LivingInFauci’sHeadRentFree

I personally don’t give a shit about any of the stuff you said I’m losing my mind over. I’m just stating that they way oversold the capabilities of the vaccines from day one and now you guys all act like that never happened.  They definitely promoted the various vaccines as way more of a silver bullet than they were. And infectious disease experts KNEW going in we didn’t have the technology to do what they said it was going to do. Sorry that point is lost on you. Keep drinking the Kool Aid man. Pfizer thanks you for carrying their water.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5122 on: February 12, 2023, 02:37:37 PM »
You won’t even accept a completely blatant one from our own sitting president who made the proclamation on national television in the summer of 2021 when the vaccine machine was in full force. So what the fuck is anyone ever going to do to change your mind? You just dismiss it anyways and go on believing whatever it is you believe.

It’s not just this thread, it’s every thread. You’re the most hard headed mule that I’ve ever come across on an Illini forum. All the arrogance of being right without any of the burden of ever having to stand corrected.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #5123 on: February 12, 2023, 02:38:27 PM »
I will concede President Biden misspoke about the effectiveness of the vaccines on at least one occasion. I cringed but was not shocked.
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« Reply #5124 on: February 12, 2023, 02:40:17 PM »
You won’t even accept a completely blatant one from our own sitting president who made the proclamation on national television in the summer of 2021 when the vaccine machine was in full force. So what the fuck is anyone ever going to do to change your mind? You just dismiss it anyways and go on believing whatever it is you believe.

It’s not just this thread, it’s every thread. You’re the most hard headed mule that I’ve ever come across on an Illini forum. All the arrogance of being right without any of the burden of ever having to stand corrected.

I’ve owned up to my errors on multiple occasions.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #5125 on: February 12, 2023, 02:46:57 PM »
I don’t even know who that is. But I do know you have a list of journalists and personalities that you will not even entertain the idea of listening to. Like how you used to like Matt Tabbai but he said some stuff you didn’t agree with so no he’s dead to you because cognitive dissonance.

Matt Taibbi isn’t dead to me. I still see his stuff on Twitter. I’m sure I still follow him. Once I like someone I’m not required to like them for life. Take Kevin Spacey for example. I used to like Lou Dobb’s show until he became a dog whistler to racists. There are numerous examples of people I once liked but now dislike. And there are some people I once disliked I now like. If your opinions aren’t changing, you’re not growing.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #5126 on: February 12, 2023, 07:33:15 PM »
I personally don’t give a shit about any of the stuff you said I’m losing my mind over. I’m just stating that they way oversold the capabilities of the vaccines from day one and now you guys all act like that never happened.  They definitely promoted the various vaccines as way more of a silver bullet than they were. And infectious disease experts KNEW going in we didn’t have the technology to do what they said it was going to do. Sorry that point is lost on you. Keep drinking the Kool Aid man. Pfizer thanks you for carrying their water.

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« Reply #5127 on: February 12, 2023, 07:33:53 PM »
Matt Taibbi isn’t dead to me. I still see his stuff on Twitter. I’m sure I still follow him. Once I like someone I’m not required to like them for life. Take Kevin Spacey for example. I used to like Lou Dobb’s show until he became a dog whistler to racists. There are numerous examples of people I once liked but now dislike. And there are some people I once disliked I now like. If your opinions aren’t changing, you’re not growing.

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« Reply #5128 on: February 12, 2023, 08:30:57 PM »
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #5129 on: February 13, 2023, 07:32:47 AM »
Most of us have moved on, but our intrepid coronavirus culture warriors, MN and his occasional sidekick Custard, are still fighting the good fight.  Taking facts out of context, cherry-picking data, citing garbage in/garbage out studies and revising history. 

The recent Fauci et. al scientific article is a nothingburger, except in the right-wing echo-chamber of course.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-mRNA-vaccine-fauci-387418337013

For those of you who took the vaccines, raise your hand if you thought they would prevent all infections.  After the first round of jabs, many of us continued to wear masks in crowded settings to minimize our risk.  We also understood the virus would evolve over time.  Also, raise your hand if you took the vaccines solely based on a news article or press release quoting Fauci.  What MN and Custard seem to ignore is that many people also listened to the advice of their doctors, local infectious disease experts and state public health officals to get a sense of the vaccine's effectiveness.   

It's pretty ugly watching MN and Custard lose their minds because Fauci changed his mind about the effectiveness of vaccines based on new evidence as variants, like Omicron, got more contagious.  That’s the bedrock of scientific progress; unfortunately, MN and Custard see it as a “gotcha” moment.  Take that LIBS!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

The good news is the vaccines have held up pretty well to protect against the more serious virus symptoms.  It’s the same reason I take the flu vaccine every year.  I recognize its limitations.  Fauci and his co-authors also recognize that we need new approaches to make respiratory virus vaccines more effective.  Make sense to me. 

Here’s a good roundup of the kind of crap that MN, Custard and their brethren have been throwing against the wall over the past two years in a lame, ongoing attempt to denigrate Fauci. 
https://www.science.org/content/article/almost-everything-tucker-carlson-said-about-anthony-fauci-week-was-misleading-or-false

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Thank you for letting me know that I'm losing my mind. I wasn't aware.
Regarding Jon Cohen's Science.org column, I suppose we can take a look at some of his fact-checking.,
Fauci repeats that 60-70% immunity will be required to reach herd immunity. The fact check cites Michael Osterholm, who like Fauci, has said that masks are not effective. And the linked article also mentions that this prediction was different than other models, which Cohen doesn't mention. Cohen goes on to say that Fauci upped the percentage and that "nobody really knows for sure."
A great argument. Lol.
Fauci also said that he upped the percentage due to his concern that not enough people will get vaccinated. This isn't mentioned.
Cohen closes this fact check with "nor does he profit from their sales."
Congressional testimony included Fauci saying that public records would show if he had seen benefits. The congressman replied saying there are no public records of that information because it does not need to be reported.

The fact check about masks .......
Fauci "never publicly uttered these supposed quotes."
Lol. Someone contacted him about mask use on an upcoming business trip and Fauci replied saying masks don't work. True, Jon. The email was not shared by Fauci publicly. It was a private email.

The fact check about Fauci helping to create the virus saying that the engineered viruses were distant relatives ......
WIV contacted NIH to delete a database that was in a file other than GenBank. NIH complied. Only part of that database was recovered. There was a database that was never uploaded to GenBank because, as Daszak said, they were still waiting for the Chinese govt to review the data.
The engineered viruses may very well be distant relatives to the available files, but what about the unavailable files ?
Daszak: "Well I didn't do it. My colleagues did it."

Re the fact check that the work is not gain of function ....
Daszak himself emailed NIH/NIAID to thank them for approving his "gain of function" work.
And others "using a definition that required the original virus to be a known pathogen in humans, did not" is hardly a reason to dismiss the gain of function argument.

Then Cohen goes on to fact check Kristian Andersen's belief that some of the features look engineered but dismisses that by adding Andersen also said that further research is required.
This reach by Cohen is laughable, as if a scientist would simply say that something that looks a certain way wouldn't be followed with some scrutiny.

I could go on.
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