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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5895 on: January 17, 2024, 09:03:52 PM »
Whataboutism is where it’s at

People say socialism sounds good in theory, but fails in practice. That is also true of capitalism -- unless you like monopolies and periodic recessions.

The most successful economies are a mix of free markets and central planning; private and public enterprise.

We don't even actually have capitalism. We have central planning by huge corporations, in their interests.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5896 on: January 17, 2024, 09:05:01 PM »
Never been really tried.

Neither has pure socialism.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5897 on: January 17, 2024, 09:22:45 PM »
Neither has pure socialism.
National Socialism spoiled it for everyone else.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5898 on: January 17, 2024, 09:43:34 PM »
National Socialism spoiled it for everyone else.

Not even remotely the same thing. Hitler's contemporaries probably weren't fooled. The national socialists were anti-jewish, not anti-free markets.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5899 on: January 17, 2024, 09:46:58 PM »
The appeal of socialism went away, because social democracy addressed the excesses and abuses of laissez faire capitalism
/  social darwinism.

It is hard to discuss this because so many right wing idiots think now Hitler was a left wing socialist.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5900 on: January 17, 2024, 09:49:23 PM »
Not even remotely the same thing. Hitler's contemporaries probably weren't fooled. The national socialists were anti-jewish, not anti-free markets.

They just gave Socialism a bad name.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5901 on: January 17, 2024, 10:03:41 PM »
Capitalism doesn't work either.


It's the best system invented by far in human history but ok
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5902 on: January 17, 2024, 10:04:51 PM »
Not even remotely the same thing. Hitler's contemporaries probably weren't fooled. The national socialists were anti-jewish, not anti-free markets.

They were anti communist
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5903 on: January 17, 2024, 10:21:54 PM »
They were anti communist

Yep. That too.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5904 on: January 18, 2024, 08:54:19 AM »
Here you go,  Mn...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12969105/chinese-scientists-lab-coronavirus-kill-rate-mice.html
Note the date on this.

Richard H. Ebright
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Timeline is incorrect.

Virus genome was sequenced on December 24-27, and analysis of genome sequence showed virus was new coronavirus related to, but different from, SARS-CoV on December 27.
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独家|新冠病毒基因测序溯源:警报是何时拉响的
新冠病毒的分离、检测和基因测序,正是了解和判断新冠病疫传染力及危害性的基础。这一研究是何时、如何开始的?1月11日,停止更新多日的武汉卫健委通报,第一次将“不明原因的病毒性肺炎”更名为“新型冠状病毒感染的肺炎”,称截至2020年1月10日24时,初步诊断有新冠肺炎病例41例
3:02 AM · Apr 2, 2020

ThePAMan. I quoted the wrong post from you. I meant to quote your post from yesterday that generated your can't trust the Commies post.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5905 on: January 18, 2024, 09:02:09 AM »

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5906 on: January 18, 2024, 10:53:58 AM »
Note the date on this.

Richard H. Ebright
@R_H_Ebright
Timeline is incorrect.

Virus genome was sequenced on December 24-27, and analysis of genome sequence showed virus was new coronavirus related to, but different from, SARS-CoV on December 27.
web.archive.org
独家|新冠病毒基因测序溯源:警报是何时拉响的
新冠病毒的分离、检测和基因测序,正是了解和判断新冠病疫传染力及危害性的基础。这一研究是何时、如何开始的?1月11日,停止更新多日的武汉卫健委通报,第一次将“不明原因的病毒性肺炎”更名为“新型冠状病毒感染的肺炎”,称截至2020年1月10日24时,初步诊断有新冠肺炎病例41例
3:02 AM · Apr 2, 2020

ThePAMan. I quoted the wrong post from you. I meant to quote your post from yesterday that generated your can't trust the Commies post.

I need to brush up on my Chinese apparently
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5907 on: January 18, 2024, 11:05:49 AM »
I need to brush up on my Chinese apparently
You can click on the translate option
I need to brush up on my Chinese apparently
I found it to be much easier to use the translate option.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5908 on: January 18, 2024, 01:12:35 PM »
You can click on the translate optionI found it to be much easier to use the translate option.

The Google is in cahoots with The Commies, so don't trust the Google Translate either.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5909 on: January 18, 2024, 02:49:22 PM »
The appeal of socialism/communism also went away because state owned industries don’t innovate or grow the way they do in capitalist societies due to lack of competition or motivation. It doesn’t rewards humans’ natural desire to win and advance and often leads to economic stagnation and general malaise amongst the population. When things really go wrong we have malevolent dictators and genocide.


Much like Tempo likes to hate on Christianity because a few bad actors or stuff that happened hundreds of years ago, Nichi likes to hate on capitalism because some bad actors totally abused their power during the Industrial Revolution and well into the 1900s.

Asshole capitalists aren’t necessarily inherent to capitalism the way that lack of competition is inherent to truly state owned industry, but there are parallels. Labor parties and just general concern led to reform to the abuses of capitalism and eventually now in many cases we have benevolent capitalism where companies compete for labor and talent and have a vested interest in keeping their employees happy in order to keep them.

When I see people bitching about lack of a decent wage in this country I have to imagine I’m reading a post from someone who works at McD’s because pretty much every professional I work with is constantly bombarded on LinkedIn and by recruiters wanting to offer them high paying jobs.  There have been and always will be opportunities for hustlers in this country. What some people want is free money for people who have no motivation to do anything, usually in exchange for their votes.
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