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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4860 on: January 06, 2023, 10:43:41 PM »
I’ll admit that Fauci and some others were a bit mealy mouthed about some things, and exaggerated maybe some others; but I’m fairly certain the narrative was never that the vaccine was going to be 100% effective all the around around. You wingnuts saw a handful of people still getting infected, occasionally dying and ran with it. Like always.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4861 on: January 07, 2023, 12:56:25 AM »
Would 3-5 docs be enough ? Fauci, the CDC Director and the Covid 19 Response Director would be the spokespeople.
From Fauci ...
“When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community,” Fauci said. “In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere.
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-vaccinated-people-become-dead-ends-for-the-coronavirus/

As we know, that didn't happen.

Saw some USA Today article come across my The Google feed, yeah, I know, that said everyone is going to get this x188 whatever it is variant and the people who have not had The COVID yet, which would include The PADouchebag, better watch out since no one masks up anymore, etc. Yeah, that's a long run one sentence. Google the article yourselves....
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4862 on: January 07, 2023, 03:57:35 PM »
Would 3-5 docs be enough ? Fauci, the CDC Director and the Covid 19 Response Director would be the spokespeople.
From Fauci ...
“When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community,” Fauci said. “In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere.
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-vaccinated-people-become-dead-ends-for-the-coronavirus/

Jim Fixx died of a heart attack. Doesn't mean exercise is bad.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4863 on: January 07, 2023, 03:59:29 PM »
As we know, that didn't happen.

Saw some USA Today article come across my The Google feed, yeah, I know, that said everyone is going to get this x188 whatever it is variant and the people who have not had The COVID yet, which would include The PADouchebag, better watch out since no one masks up anymore, etc. Yeah, that's a long run one sentence. Google the article yourselves....

If people haven't had COVID, but have been vaccinated, they are in the same boat as people who have had COVID.

Sure as hell anyone who says "Getting COVID will stop COVID in it's tracks" isn't accurate, plenty of well documented cases.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4864 on: January 07, 2023, 04:02:57 PM »
Jim Fixx died of a heart attack. Doesn't mean exercise is bad.

He died at 52. I am still alive at 57. Postulate denied. Time to get another bourbon.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4865 on: January 07, 2023, 04:17:48 PM »
I’ll admit that Fauci and some others were a bit mealy mouthed about some things, and exaggerated maybe some others; but I’m fairly certain the narrative was never that the vaccine was going to be 100% effective all the around around. You wingnuts saw a handful of people still getting infected, occasionally dying and ran with it. Like always.

“Ermagherd what about the transvestites in bathrooms pandemic!”
And I started with what the mealy mouthed ones were exaggerating about.
You come back with what they should have been saying all along.
I give you some of the mealy mouth exaggerations you asked for, and I'm a wingnut.
Uh, ok.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4866 on: January 07, 2023, 04:20:39 PM »
And I started with what the mealy mouthed ones were exaggerating about.
You come back with what they should have been saying all along.
I give you some of the mealy mouth exaggerations you asked for, and I'm a wingnut.
Uh, ok.

Are you really shocked after he said... I'll just leave it at "Are you really shocked??
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4867 on: January 07, 2023, 05:24:29 PM »
Would 3-5 docs be enough ? Fauci, the CDC Director and the Covid 19 Response Director would be the spokespeople.
From Fauci ...
“When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community,” Fauci said. “In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere.
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-vaccinated-people-become-dead-ends-for-the-coronavirus/

AND Fauci changed his opinion two months later when CDC had a better understanding of the transmissibility of the delta variant. Here’s several excerpts from his interview with NPR. 

AILSA CHANG, HOST:
“Informing this week's changes was an alarming internal slide deck from the CDC. These slides surfaced publicly last night, indicating that the delta variant is as contagious and as easily spreadable as the chicken pox, even by fully vaccinated people. The CDC slideshow summed up the fight against the coronavirus with these four words - the war has changed. And to help us understand this continually evolving situation, Dr. Anthony Fauci joins us again.’”

ANTHONY FAUCI:
“’…we had a considerable number of individuals who were there [Provincetown] who were vaccinated who got infected. And clearly, they were transmitting the infection among themselves.  So when you have a vaccinated person who gets infected previously, prior to the delta variant, a vaccinated person generally has a level of virus in their nasal pharynx considerably lower than an unvaccinated person. So that would make it unlikely that a vaccinated person who had a breakthrough infection would transmit the virus to someone else.’”

“’The fact that you have a high level of virus in the nasal pharynx of an infected person who has a breakthrough, namely was vaccinated but had a breakthrough infection, and is now capable of transmitting that infection to an uninfected person, that is the thing that is a bit alarming in the sense of triggering the change in the guidelines that the CDC has put forth regarding vaccinated people and the wearing of masks in indoor settings geographically when you're in a high-risk area.”

“’What we did know was how transmissible the virus was among unvaccinated people.  So it was very clear that when you compared the delta variant with, for example, the alpha variant, it was clearly considerably more transmissible. The new data show that it is so transmissible that even a vaccinated person who has a breakthrough infection can now transmit it. That is the new data.  There's a difference between knowing that it's transmissible in general versus it's also transmissible when you have a breakthrough infection of a vaccinated person.’”

“’I think the simplest way to get people to understand is that we are dealing with a different virus. The delta virus has characteristics that's different than the alpha variant and other variants we've dealt with. So when someone says the war has changed, what it really means, the virus has changed, and we have got to keep up in our understanding and what our policies are related to the fact that we're dealing now with a more formidable virus.'”

“’Having said that, the solution to all of this is to get as many people vaccinated as we possibly can. I think the thing that gets lost in the recent messaging about delta and transmission and things like that is that vaccinated people are quite protected. There are some breakthrough infections, no doubt about that, that you expect. But the vaccines are very effective in protecting you and extremely effective in protecting you against severe disease.’”
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/30/1022909501/dr-anthony-fauci-talks-about-alarming-new-data-on-breakthrough-infections


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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4868 on: January 07, 2023, 05:44:44 PM »
AND Fauci changed his opinion two months later when CDC had a better understanding of the transmissibility of the delta variant. Here’s several excerpts from his interview with NPR. 

AILSA CHANG, HOST:
“Informing this week's changes was an alarming internal slide deck from the CDC. These slides surfaced publicly last night, indicating that the delta variant is as contagious and as easily spreadable as the chicken pox, even by fully vaccinated people. The CDC slideshow summed up the fight against the coronavirus with these four words - the war has changed. And to help us understand this continually evolving situation, Dr. Anthony Fauci joins us again.’”

ANTHONY FAUCI:
“’…we had a considerable number of individuals who were there [Provincetown] who were vaccinated who got infected. And clearly, they were transmitting the infection among themselves.  So when you have a vaccinated person who gets infected previously, prior to the delta variant, a vaccinated person generally has a level of virus in their nasal pharynx considerably lower than an unvaccinated person. So that would make it unlikely that a vaccinated person who had a breakthrough infection would transmit the virus to someone else.’”

“’The fact that you have a high level of virus in the nasal pharynx of an infected person who has a breakthrough, namely was vaccinated but had a breakthrough infection, and is now capable of transmitting that infection to an uninfected person, that is the thing that is a bit alarming in the sense of triggering the change in the guidelines that the CDC has put forth regarding vaccinated people and the wearing of masks in indoor settings geographically when you're in a high-risk area.”

“’What we did know was how transmissible the virus was among unvaccinated people.  So it was very clear that when you compared the delta variant with, for example, the alpha variant, it was clearly considerably more transmissible. The new data show that it is so transmissible that even a vaccinated person who has a breakthrough infection can now transmit it. That is the new data.  There's a difference between knowing that it's transmissible in general versus it's also transmissible when you have a breakthrough infection of a vaccinated person.’”

“’I think the simplest way to get people to understand is that we are dealing with a different virus. The delta virus has characteristics that's different than the alpha variant and other variants we've dealt with. So when someone says the war has changed, what it really means, the virus has changed, and we have got to keep up in our understanding and what our policies are related to the fact that we're dealing now with a more formidable virus.'”

“’Having said that, the solution to all of this is to get as many people vaccinated as we possibly can. I think the thing that gets lost in the recent messaging about delta and transmission and things like that is that vaccinated people are quite protected. There are some breakthrough infections, no doubt about that, that you expect. But the vaccines are very effective in protecting you and extremely effective in protecting you against severe disease.’”
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/30/1022909501/dr-anthony-fauci-talks-about-alarming-new-data-on-breakthrough-infections


What Tempo said.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4869 on: January 07, 2023, 05:50:49 PM »
Mn, is it not fair that the subsequent mutations (I guess) changed what they thought the vaccine could do?
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« Reply #4870 on: January 07, 2023, 05:53:16 PM »
They still reduced the risk.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4871 on: January 07, 2023, 05:58:37 PM »
They still reduced the risk.

Not saying that is untrue. I see the debate as whether they oversold the vaccine AND should they have know better than to do so.  At the end of the day it is obvious they oversold it. Whether they should have known better? I do not know.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4872 on: January 07, 2023, 06:07:12 PM »
Yes they reduce risk, the mutations weren't unexpected and they said mealy mouthed exaggerations.


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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4873 on: January 07, 2023, 09:26:18 PM »
Approximately how many cases of fully vaccinated people becoming infected and contagious?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4874 on: January 07, 2023, 09:43:06 PM »
Approximately how many cases of fully vaccinated people becoming infected and contagious?

More than one. Checkmate, Fauci