WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #435 on: July 12, 2020, 05:17:37 PM »

Quote from: Custard on July 12, 2020, 02:35:54 PM

Meanwhile, excess suicides, food shortages (especially in impoverished areas) and horrifying jumps in domestic violence/child abuse are occurring as a direct by-product of the shutdown.

You are saying those are side effects of the so-called lockdown; when in fact they are effects of the pandemic itself, with or without the partal economic lockdown. Chances are, these problems would have been far worse had the disease been allowed to spread unchecked. As it is, vital goods and services are still mostly available. Also, while our weakened social insurance safety nets have been stretched, imagine how much worse it would be if the right had their way and eliminated them.

The solution is not less government action, but better, more responsive, more effective, government action.

To reduce suicides during the COVID-19 crisis, it is imperative to decrease stress, anxiety, fears and loneliness in the general population. There should be traditional and social media campaigns to promote mental health and reduce distress. Active outreach is necessary, especially for people with a history of psychiatric disorders, COVID-19 survivors and older adults. Research studies are needed of how mental health consequences can be mitigated during and after the COVID-19 pandemic.
https://academic.oup.com/qjmed/article/doi/10.1093/qjmed/hcaa202/5857612

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #436 on: July 12, 2020, 08:00:13 PM »

Quote from: alum74 on July 12, 2020, 02:58:02 PM

Last week a friend reminded me of something his father used to tell us when we were younger, “The longer we half-ass this [a specific task], the harder it’s going to be.” We’re still “half-assing” the containment of the corornavirus in the U.S., and the damage is only going to be worse and take longer to recover from.

Exactly.

Closing everything is easy. Keeping things open while also containing The virus is going to be a PITA for everyone, and people aren’t willing to do the hard work.

Yes, you need to wear a mask. Yes, you need to not do that frivolous fun thing you want to do or not take that trip you want to take. Yes, your kid needs to not have a birthday party this year. Yes, you need to make eating in restaurants a rare occurrence and stop going to bars. Otherwise, the fucking adults are going to have to shut everything down over and over, every time the health care system gets overwhelmed.

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Custard

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #437 on: July 12, 2020, 10:35:10 PM »

I’m not downplaying the fact that some percentage of those who have been infected and survive will have permanent or long term damage. That’s certainly not unique to this pathogen.

My angle on this is that we have to find a way to live with this pathogen and strike a balance between COVID killing people and killing people by overreacting to COVID. There are always trade-offs, whether you wish to call them non-existent or not.

As long as human beings are still biological in nature, we are going to be susceptible to pathogens. That’s just part of the ecosystem we inhabit and will probably become worse as we continue to overpopulate and push the envelope of what our habitat can sustain.

We must do what we can to address the spread and lethality of each outbreak while being cognizant of the collateral damage that comes with extreme lockdown measures. And it’s certainly a slippery slope for the future.

If you’re advocating for a total tear down of the western capitalistic framework by shutting down the economy at will, then I would better understand your casual attitude towards the severity of the economic struggles wrought upon the working and lower classes.

You could certainly argue that more consumers should live like you, and I wouldn’t disagree. I’ve applauded your lifestyle in the past on multiple occasions. People certainly shouldn’t be debt serfs, but sadly that’s the state of our current society.

If forced to choose, I would take a simpler, more subsistence style of living for our society over armed guards forcing people to wear masks and have temperature checks so people can go to Walmart and buy shit they oftentimes don’t really need. If you want groceries there are a multitude of ways to do so without going into public areas unprotected.

I don’t think I’ve said anywhere that anyone should be in public spaces where social distancing is impossible without wearing a mask. If someone finds where I’ve said that, my apologies. I’ve often reported what I actually see while out and about, which is not a reflection of what I think is proper etiquette.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #438 on: July 13, 2020, 08:03:55 AM »

The use of "overreaction" could be cited as a betrayal of the remainder of your position. Channelling Spark, it sounds like many of your Trump-related comments!

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #439 on: July 13, 2020, 08:27:13 AM »

Average age of study participant was 62, FWIW

https://www.newsweek.com/scans-reveal-heart-damage-over-half-covid-19-patients-study-1517293

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #440 on: July 13, 2020, 12:41:14 PM »

Quote from: Miniditka on July 12, 2020, 08:00:13 PM

Quote from: alum74 on July 12, 2020, 02:58:02 PM
Last week a friend reminded me of something his father used to tell us when we were younger, “The longer we half-ass this [a specific task], the harder it’s going to be.” We’re still “half-assing” the containment of the corornavirus in the U.S., and the damage is only going to be worse and take longer to recover from.
Exactly.

Closing everything is easy. Keeping things open while also containing The virus is going to be a PITA for everyone, and people aren’t willing to do the hard work.

Yes, you need to wear a mask. Yes, you need to not do that frivolous fun thing you want to do or not take that trip you want to take. Yes, your kid needs to not have a birthday party this year. Yes, you need to make eating in restaurants a rare occurrence and stop going to bars. Otherwise, the fucking adults are going to have to shut everything down over and over, every time the health care system gets overwhelmed.

I came here to find someone dumber than Betsy DeVos, and I found one.

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alum74

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #441 on: July 13, 2020, 01:35:31 PM »

Charlotte KinderCare location temporarily closed due to COVID-19 cases

"A Charlotte childcare facility has temporarily closed due to multiple positive COVID-19 cases reported. It's one of three newly reported clusters at schools and childcare facilities in North Carolina as of July 10."

"Providence Road KinderCare has temporarily closed 'in the best interest of global health' after six confirmed COVID-19 cases, all children."

"In addition to the KinderCare cases, the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services reported the following clusters in the Charlotte area:
•   Five cases (three staff members, two children) at Primrose School of Lake Norman in Iredell County
•   Six cases (one staff member, five children) at Smart Kids #3 Child Care Center in Mecklenburg County
•   Fourteen cases (three staff members, 11 children) at Heaven's Angels Childcare Facility in Mecklenburg County
•   Six cases (all staff members) at East Union Middle School in Union County"

Survey: 42% of teachers in South Carolina at heightened risk if they return to classrooms

"SC for Ed, an organization that advocates for teachers in South Carolina, found that over 42% of teachers polled are at an increased risk for severe illness from coronavirus."

"The organization polled 7,731 teachers in South Carolina between July 6 and July 9 through an online survey. Of the respondents, 3,275 teachers had a health condition that would put them at an increased risk for severe illness if they contracted coronavirus. That accounts for 42% of the teachers polled."

"According to the Centers for Disease Control & Prevention, people with health conditions such as obesity, serious heart conditions, Type 2 diabetes, kidney disease, COPD, organ transplant and sickle cell are at an increased risk when it comes to COVID-19."

https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/charlotte-kindercare-location-temporarily-closed-due-to-covid-19-cases/275-ec4d83da-057d-4a9d-94e5-5276f54cfb26

Most articles I’ve read (admittedly limited) appear to indicate that children don’t spread coronavirus easily. But local health and school officials should take a cautious approach (ignore Betty DeVos) and look hard at the data, studies and strategies in other countries to avoid creating virus clusters that put vulnerable populations at higher risk. It looks like the key is keeping community infection rates low (that's going to be an issue in many communities in the U.S.), combined with keeping student groups small and requiring masks and some social distancing.

School openings across globe suggest ways to keep coronavirus at bay, despite outbreaks
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/school-openings-across-globe-suggest-ways-keep-coronavirus-bay-despite-outbreaks

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #442 on: July 13, 2020, 04:18:30 PM »

I can say that I am not happy the local HS is not even going to try wearing masks, staggered schedules, etc. They are even proposing 4 day/week schedules where you take 3-4 classes every 2d day for 30 min to 100 min. WTF kind of bullshit is that? Hopefully the superintendent will get the COVID, choke on her own vomit, and resign. She sucks.

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illiniray

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #443 on: July 13, 2020, 06:14:16 PM »

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #444 on: July 13, 2020, 07:09:04 PM »

Quote from: ThePAMan on July 13, 2020, 08:03:55 AM

The use of "overreaction" could be cited as a betrayal of the remainder of your position. Channelling Spark, it sounds like many of your Trump-related comments!

Technically I would probably need to define what I believe an overreaction is for it to be cited as such.

I know that won’t stop anyone from painting me as a Trump follower simply because I don’t regurgitate the same talking points as almost everyone else here.

For the sake of argument, I would define “overreaction” as “taking drastic precautionary steps that are or may be more likely to do more long term damage than the virus itself”

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #445 on: July 13, 2020, 08:20:54 PM »

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #446 on: July 14, 2020, 07:39:46 AM »

Quote from: IlliniGolf on July 13, 2020, 08:20:54 PM

This meme represents the height of Covid ignorance, yet somehow also the height of Covid arrogance — and thus, impressively, the height of hypocrisy.

A trifecta. Congratulations.

Here, in a nutshell, is why America is dead last among nations in its recovery.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #447 on: July 14, 2020, 08:39:41 AM »

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #448 on: July 14, 2020, 10:42:12 AM »

Quote from: Custard on July 13, 2020, 07:09:04 PM

Quote from: ThePAMan on July 13, 2020, 08:03:55 AM
The use of "overreaction" could be cited as a betrayal of the remainder of your position. Channelling Spark, it sounds like many of your Trump-related comments!

Technically I would probably need to define what I believe an overreaction is for it to be cited as such.

I know that won’t stop anyone from painting me as a Trump follower simply because I don’t regurgitate the same talking points as almost everyone else here.

For the sake of argument, I would define “overreaction” as “taking drastic precautionary steps that are or may be more likely to do more long term damage than the virus itself”

Except for those who are dead or who have brain, lung, or other organ damage, you are probably right.

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illiniray

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #449 on: July 14, 2020, 04:22:53 PM »

"Well, you know that we have one of the lowest mortality rates anywhere. If you know Biden and Obama stopped their testing-- they just stopped it. You probably know that. I'm sure you don't want to report it.

But they stopped testing. Right in the middle, they just want, no more testing, and on a much lesser problem than the problem that we have ..." -- President Donald J Trump, July 13, 2020

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