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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6360 on: December 26, 2024, 06:47:12 PM »
Quote from: Custard on December 26, 2024, 03:25:54 PM
Thanks goodness we have a refuge of quality social interaction here!

I much prefer groups with diverse views over echo chambers. Part of it is resisting the temptation to start flinging insults. It's also less boring and better exercise for the mind.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6361 on: December 26, 2024, 10:37:40 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 26, 2024, 06:47:12 PM
I much prefer groups with diverse views over echo chambers. Part of it is resisting the temptation to start flinging insults. It's also less boring and better exercise for the mind.

I mostly agree, with the caveat that well-timed insults add to the experience. All in good fun, of course.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6362 on: December 27, 2024, 10:31:11 AM »
Quote from: Custard on December 26, 2024, 02:03:35 PM
The right wing wants to know where the virus that killed millions came from.

The willful obfuscation and mocking smear campaigns against those who questioned the zoonotic origins has only strengthened the suspicion and resolve.

Sorry, but no fucks to give.  In the early stages of the pandemic, the RWNJs made “lab-leak” code for a bioweapon engineered in a Chinese government laboratory.  "Lab" does not equal "human-made."  Lab workers could have collected the virus in nature and stored it at the lab from which it started.  Unfortunately Trump and other GOP leaders didn't push back on the bioweapons demagoguery; in fact, some even fanned the flames. 

Next time, tell you pals in the right-wing echo chamber not to flood the zone and overplay their hand.  Just like they do on so many other issues, the wingnuts made reasonable debate impossible.  Even worse, they unwittingly aided the Chinese government's efforts to play hide and seek.  "See, look at all those ugly Americans who hate us."
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6363 on: December 27, 2024, 11:45:26 AM »
So you’re telling me the left’s fervent insistence that it was zoonotic and then shouting down anyone who presented evidence that the lab leak theory might hold some water were a response to the RWNJ not allowing a reasonable debate?

If lab leak was code for bioweapon in my echo chamber, I’d have thought that I would remember thinking that way. I have never had a strong feeling about how it originated or what it is, but I would really like to know. Maybe if you and Nichi keep kissing China’s ass they’ll eventually tell us!
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6364 on: December 27, 2024, 12:02:21 PM »
Quote from: Custard on December 27, 2024, 11:45:26 AM
So you’re telling me the left’s fervent insistence that it was zoonotic...

The "Left" did not generate the opinion. It was generated by scientists,  many of whom, at the time, were considered reputable. Whereas quite a few of the loudest opponents at the time were advising people to drink bleach or some other quack remedy. Was the push back unfair? Sure. Predictable given the climate? Probably.

Now we are going to pay the price with shit like polio, whatever, making a comeback and not being active enough regarding the bird flu, etc. Going to be awesome!
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6365 on: December 27, 2024, 12:40:48 PM »
Imo, the zoonotic origin explanation was not generated by scientists.

Imho, it was generated by individuals with a vested interest in minimizing the mention of the role of US funding in Wuhan, the lack of oversight of EcoHealth in Wuhan and to protect the US Government cash cow for virologists working on gain of function research.

The individuals happened to be "scientists" and some were bureaucrats.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6366 on: December 27, 2024, 12:41:43 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on December 27, 2024, 12:40:48 PM
Imo, the zoonotic origin explanation was not generated by scientists.

Imho, it was generated by individuals with a vested interest in minimizing the mention of the role of US funding in Wuhan, the lack of oversight of EcoHealth in Wuhan and to protect the US Government cash cow for virologists working on gain of function research.

The individuals happened to be "scientists" and some were bureaucrats.

So you are saying they were scientists?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6367 on: December 27, 2024, 12:45:34 PM »
Quote from: Custard on December 27, 2024, 11:45:26 AM
So you’re telling me the left’s fervent insistence that it was zoonotic and then shouting down anyone who presented evidence that the lab leak theory might hold some water were a response to the RWNJ not allowing a reasonable debate?

If lab leak was code for bioweapon in my echo chamber, I’d have thought that I would remember thinking that way. I have never had a strong feeling about how it originated or what it is, but I would really like to know. Maybe if you and Nichi keep kissing China’s ass they’ll eventually tell us!

Yep, you were more than content to let the RWNJs drive the bus and poison the COVID-19 origins debate.   And just stop with the revisionist B.S.  Ray and I admitted early on that the lab-leak theory should be considered.  And we’ve both been critical of China’s efforts to stonewall the scientific investigatory process.     
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6368 on: December 27, 2024, 12:48:03 PM »
Alum ending the year by bringing the Fire and the Passion! And the Logic!
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6369 on: December 27, 2024, 12:49:58 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 27, 2024, 12:41:43 PM
So you are saying they were scientists?
I did. But that's like saying you're not a moran because you're a lawyer. 😄
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6370 on: December 27, 2024, 12:50:28 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on December 27, 2024, 12:49:58 PM
I did. But that's like saying you're not a moran because you're a lawyer. 😄

I laughed out loud.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6371 on: December 27, 2024, 01:12:18 PM »
The available biological evidence still points to a zoonotic origin from an infected animal sold in the Wuhan market.

The evidence for the lab leak is pretty much  entirely political.

Either way is bad for China; which is why they refuse to cooperate.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6372 on: December 27, 2024, 01:50:58 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 27, 2024, 01:12:18 PM
The available biological evidence still points to a zoonotic origin from an infected animal sold in the Wuhan market.

The evidence for the lab leak is pretty much  entirely political.

Either way is bad for China; which is why they refuse to cooperate.

As the article I linked to noted, there were zero COVID 19 infection reports in the 1,500 miles (or whatever it was) between the area where the virus was harvested and Wuhan prior to the outbreak. Now, the zoonotic people have tried to explain that away. But still....
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6373 on: December 27, 2024, 01:58:33 PM »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/bird-flu-virus-shows-mutations-233012441.html

Bird flu virus shows mutations in first severe human case in US, CDC says
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6374 on: December 27, 2024, 02:07:31 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 27, 2024, 01:50:58 PM
As the article I linked to noted, there were zero COVID 19 infection reports in the 1,500 miles (or whatever it was) between the area where the virus was harvested and Wuhan prior to the outbreak. Now, the zoonotic people have tried to explain that away. But still....

What article? Where was it "harvested."

I thought the Huanan Market and the Wuhan Institute of Virology were in fairly close proximity.  What is the point?
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