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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6345 on: December 26, 2024, 10:27:25 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 26, 2024, 10:04:13 AM
They appear be arguing about it internally.

They can argue all they want internally, but we may never find out where COVID-19 came from due to decisions that Chinese officials made during the early stages of the Wuhan outbreak.  The government has been reluctant to share informtion and cooperate with international investigations.   

“It is quite clear that China will not allow an objective and independent scientific investigation led by WHO.  In addition, much of the evidence from the lab as well as the Wuhan market has now vanished.  All in all, there is little chance that the world will ever know for sure. And that is a global tragedy.”
-Lawrence Gosdin, Director, O’Neill Institute for National and Global Health Law at Georgetown University. 
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6346 on: December 26, 2024, 10:30:12 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on December 26, 2024, 10:27:25 AM
They can argue all they want internally, but we may never find out where COVID-19 came from due to decisions that Chinese officials made during the early stages of the Wuhan outbreak.  The government has been reluctant to share informtion and cooperate with international investigations.   

“It is quite clear that China will not allow an objective and independent scientific investigation led by WHO.  In addition, much of the evidence from the lab as well as the Wuhan market has now vanished.  All in all, there is little chance that the world will ever know for sure. And that is a global tragedy.”
-Lawrence Gosdin, Director, O’Neill Institute for National and Global Health Law at Georgetown University.

From that above, I think we know for sure…
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6347 on: December 26, 2024, 10:47:21 AM »
There are plenty of reasons why China would not cooperate with WHO.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/06/09/china-cooperate-covid-19-origins-investigation-wuhan/
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6348 on: December 26, 2024, 10:51:14 AM »
There are plenty of reasons why US Government would not cooperate with who ?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6349 on: December 26, 2024, 11:16:33 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 26, 2024, 10:30:12 AM
From that above, I think we know for sure…

Yep.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6350 on: December 26, 2024, 11:17:02 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 26, 2024, 10:47:21 AM
There are plenty of reasons why China would not cooperate with WHO.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/06/09/china-cooperate-covid-19-origins-investigation-wuhan/

Because the government is Commie Scum?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6351 on: December 26, 2024, 11:17:38 AM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on December 26, 2024, 10:51:14 AM
There are plenty of reasons why US Government would not cooperate with who ?

The Avian Flu says it is coming for us.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6352 on: December 26, 2024, 11:36:31 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 26, 2024, 10:30:12 AM
From that above, I think we know for sure…

China looks bad either way.  In fact, both theories could be true.   

Unfortunately, Chinese officials are not ready to face the music.  Things have become too polarized politically.  Hopefully that will change in the future so that the scientific community can sort things out. 

For now, the Chinese government will continue to stonewall in an effort to avoid stricter international regulations not just for government laboratories, but also for wet markets and wildlife trade to prevent future pandemics.


       
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6353 on: December 26, 2024, 12:35:38 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on December 26, 2024, 10:27:25 AM
They can argue all they want internally, but we may never find out where COVID-19 came from due to decisions that Chinese officials made during the early stages of the Wuhan outbreak.  The government has been reluctant to share informtion and cooperate with international investigations.   

“It is quite clear that China will not allow an objective and independent scientific investigation led by WHO.  In addition, much of the evidence from the lab as well as the Wuhan market has now vanished.  All in all, there is little chance that the world will ever know for sure. And that is a global tragedy.”
-Lawrence Gosdin, Director, O’Neill Institute for National and Global Health Law at Georgetown University.

Pretty much tells you all you need to know, doesn’t it?

Maybe the lab-leak-deniers will eventually warm up to the idea that maybe they were wrong, and that maybe they shouldn’t have been dismissive assholes to the people who weren’t brainwashed by  Fake News, but I doubt it.

When there’s a smoking gun like what Alum just posted about Trump, the same people have him tried and convicted in their minds before they finish the paragraph. Yet for some reason they feel the need to carry water for the CCP because American legacy media instructed them to do so. Interesting, isn’t it?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6354 on: December 26, 2024, 12:39:31 PM »
Quote from: Custard on December 26, 2024, 12:35:38 PM
Pretty much tells you all you need to know, doesn’t it?

Maybe the lab-leak-deniers will eventually warm up to the idea that maybe they were wrong, and that maybe they shouldn’t have been dismissive assholes to the people who weren’t brainwashed by  Fake News, but I doubt it.

When there’s a smoking gun like what Alum just posted about Trump, the same people have him tried and convicted in their minds before they finish the paragraph. Yet for some reason they feel the need to carry water for the CCP because American legacy media instructed them to do so. Interesting, isn’t it?

Bingo…
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6355 on: December 26, 2024, 01:28:49 PM »
Quote from: Custard on December 26, 2024, 12:35:38 PM
When there’s a smoking gun like what Alum just posted about Trump,..

WTF are you talking about?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6356 on: December 26, 2024, 01:46:45 PM »
Zoonotic transfer does not make China look any better than a lab leak from their perspective. We should wonder why the right wing wants to pin it on a lab leak. Is it because they want to blame science?

China's position is COVID-19 was not a Wuhan lab leak, not  a zoonotic transfer from the Wuhan wildlife market. Either way would be an unacceptable failure by the Chinese government regulators; which is not possible.

They say it originated in the United States.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6357 on: December 26, 2024, 02:03:35 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 26, 2024, 01:46:45 PM
Zoonotic transfer does not make China look any better than a lab leak from their perspective. We should wonder why the right wing wants to pin it on a lab leak. Is it because they want to blame science?

China's position is COVID-19 was not a Wuhan lab leak, not  a zoonotic transfer from the Wuhan wildlife market. Either way would be an unacceptable failure by the Chinese government regulators; which is not possible.

They say it originated in the United States.

The right wing wants to know where the virus that killed millions came from.

The willful obfuscation and mocking smear campaigns against those who questioned the zoonotic origins has only strengthened the suspicion and resolve.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6358 on: December 26, 2024, 02:42:49 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6359 on: December 26, 2024, 03:25:54 PM »
Thanks goodness we have a refuge of quality social interaction here!
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