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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1635 on: March 26, 2021, 12:59:17 PM »
This word soup doesn't explain how pre-covid our Emergency Rooms were functional and during covid they have been an overcrowded shit show.

Or the body trailers for that matter.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1636 on: March 26, 2021, 02:01:22 PM »
Because FOX News told me so…

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1637 on: March 26, 2021, 02:08:35 PM »
People do survive Covid, even if they go to ER, a room, and ​ICU.
I was talking with a guy whose Mom works in ICU in one of the major trauma centers. His Mom told him that yes, ER and ICU were swamped. More gunshot wounds and trauma victims than ever was her explanation.
Nonetheless, the medical community had no experience in dealing with Covid. Finding out that ventilators, which generally didn't have good outcomes, were not the answer was also a contributing factor in shorter hospital stays.
Think whatever you want.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1638 on: March 26, 2021, 02:24:03 PM »
This word soup doesn't explain how pre-covid our Emergency Rooms were functional and during covid they have been an overcrowded shit show.

right just like every flu season, or winter where more people die, I know its hard but I'm sure you remember as far back as... 2018?  https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2018/01/409636/why-flu-season-so-bad-year
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1639 on: March 26, 2021, 02:54:31 PM »
Under your definition, cancer kills approximately zero people per year then.

Yes. Many of those comorbidities were actually complications caused by covid. For example, the most common immediate cause of death from gun shot wounds is hemorrhagic shock.

fwig, a disease generally kills by causing complications like respiratory distress, heart failure, kidney failure, sepsis, and so on.

No comorbidity or complication was listed in 6% of covid deaths. That does not mean none existed. There would have been complications.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1640 on: March 26, 2021, 03:41:29 PM »
My Mom's death certificate is cancer. My wife's parents are cancer.
My Dad's death certificate is pneumonia. Cancer killed him, but pneumonia set in from essentially being bed ridden as a result of the cancer.
This was before Covid. If they would have had Covid when they passed away, then Covid would have also been listed on the death certificates.
Cancer was the cause of death. I spent plenty of time with all 4 before and til the time of death.
There is a difference between dying due to Covid and dying with Covid.
In no way am I trying to imply that Covid is not a serious concern.
Sorry if I misunderstood, but there are a LOT of people out there who are claiming that people who die from things like heart failure or organ failure when they had severe Covid didn’t actually die from Covid. Glad to see you’re not doing that.

And I’ll take you at your word, but I’ve never seen a death certificate that listed “cancer” of any type as the cause of death, and my MIL’s oncologist told us that it rarely happens. Instead, it’s pneumonia, heart failure, organ failure, blood infection, etc.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1641 on: March 26, 2021, 04:31:34 PM »
TY.
We're getting there. I think Ray understands also when he says 'many' have co-morbidities as opposed to saying 'all'.
Out of the 550,00 or so deaths currently, I've seen nothing to indicate a guess on the percent with Covid being a contributing factor.
My father in law's death certificate from 2018 lists only lung cancer as the cause of death. If he would have had asymptomatic Covid at the time of death, he would have been included in the Covid death numbers even if Covid had no impact on his health.
550000 is still 550000, but dying with Covid is not the same as dying because of having Covid.


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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1642 on: March 26, 2021, 05:44:13 PM »
News: 94% of patients who died from COVID-19 had complicating conditions, data confusion surrounding virus risk

“The CDC data states that (emphasis added), ‘For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death.’”

“Some people have expressed confusion over this statement following the president’s tweet, believing that only 6% of deaths attributed to COVID-19 were actually caused by the virus. This confusion has led to some reaching the conclusion that COVID-19 is far less dangerous than originally thought. However, the statistics actually show that of those who died due to COVID-19, the virus was the only cause of death 6% of the time. The other 94% of people who died from COVID-19 in the United States had other conditions that contributed to their death in addition to the virus.”

“The high instances of comorbidities and additional causes of death illustrate the complications associated with COVID-19 that can increase a patient’s risk of mortality.”
https://acdis.org/articles/news-94-patients-who-died-covid-19-had-complicating-conditions-data-confusion-surrounding

Viral claim that only 6% of COVID-19 deaths were caused by the virus is flat-out wrong

“This claim stems from an Aug. 26 update the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) posted on its website, which provides a detailed breakdown of the accompanying health conditions (known as comorbidities) and contributing causes of death reported in people who have died of the new coronavirus in the United States. The CDC noted that ‘For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.’"

“In other words, 6% of people who died when they had COVID-19 didn't have underlying conditions, such as diabetes, asthma or heart disease, and didn't experience any medical complications, such as kidney failure or sepsis. But the other 94% of deaths were still caused by COVID-19, infectious disease experts said. That's because many chronic, underlying conditions can make diseases that a person might otherwise recover from, such as COVID-19, suddenly deadly.”
https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-comorbidities.html

How are COVID-19 deaths counted? It’s complicated

“As the U.S. death toll nears a half-million, confusion continues over whether people die “of” COVID-19 or “with” COVID-19. Here’s what’s behind the numbers.”
https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-it-s-complicated

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1643 on: March 26, 2021, 06:06:22 PM »
Please elaborate....
What "Freedoms" are involved?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1644 on: March 26, 2021, 06:39:09 PM »
What "Freedoms" are involved?

Wearing masks, shutting down businesses (just ones they choose though), and forced to stay in the house...basically martial law🤷🏻‍♂️
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1645 on: March 26, 2021, 07:35:25 PM »
Yeah, so ... what "Freedoms" are at issue here?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1646 on: March 26, 2021, 08:23:33 PM »
Wearing masks, shutting down businesses (just ones they choose though), and forced to stay in the house...basically martial law🤷🏻‍♂️

They chose businesses where people were apt to congregate and be at risk to spread the virus.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1647 on: March 26, 2021, 08:33:46 PM »
Wearing masks, shutting down businesses (just ones they choose though), and forced to stay in the house...basically martial law🤷🏻‍♂️
I have yet to hear an explanation of why being forced to wear a mask infringes on someone’s “freedoms” that doesn’t make that person sound like an absolute pathetic weakling.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1648 on: March 26, 2021, 08:40:04 PM »
Don't hold your breath.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1649 on: March 26, 2021, 08:41:53 PM »
TY.
We're getting there. I think Ray understands also when he says 'many' have co-morbidities as opposed to saying 'all'.
Out of the 550,00 or so deaths currently, I've seen nothing to indicate a guess on the percent with Covid being a contributing factor.
My father in law's death certificate from 2018 lists only lung cancer as the cause of death. If he would have had asymptomatic Covid at the time of death, he would have been included in the Covid death numbers even if Covid had no impact on his health.
550000 is still 550000, but dying with Covid is not the same as dying because of having Covid.
I’ve heard nothing from any reputable source that would indicate that a significant percentage of Covid deaths are “dying with Covid” instead of “Dying because of Covid”.