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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #120 on: May 07, 2020, 04:08:12 PM »
Quote from: Mn on May 07, 2020, 10:13:55 AM
Interesting article about hindsight being 20/20.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/us/new-york-city-coronavirus-outbreak.html#click=https://t.co/rPWdKG1xaV

Tho the sample size is small, the conclusion appears to be that we should blame ourselves rather than the CCP. The strain passing thru NYC came from Europe. 100% of Louisiana cases in the study were of the NY strain. Each and everyone of us is responsible for allowing infected individuals to pass thru NY airports, the transportation systems, and on to the rest of the country.

Acting earlier would most likely have blunted the virus’s march across the country, researchers say.
“It means that we missed the boat early on, and the vast majority in this country is coming from domestic spread,” said Kristian Andersen, a professor in the department of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research. “I keep hearing that it’s somebody else’s fault. That’s not true. It’s not somebody else’s fault, it’s our own fault.”

Anyone have any hard data from July 7, 2020 that they would be willing to share today ? lol.

And where did the NY strain come from? Europe.  And where did the Europe strain come from? Looks like China....it all seems to goes back to one spot.

And since when do you start relying on the Lyin' NY Times???
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #121 on: May 07, 2020, 04:20:12 PM »
Quote from: Custard on May 07, 2020, 01:32:30 PM
At what point is it time to let people make their own decisions? Are we gonna lock grandma up forever and just bring her stuff when she needs it and pass it through a sanitized grommet in her front door? Many in the public and government are willing to accept more deaths, perhaps even the risk of their own. We do risky things each and every day by choice, like riding a bicycle or driving a car or getting in an airplane or having unprotected sex or being in crowded places where germs are being passed around. Disease and death are part of life. There is always going to be some level of acceptable collateral damage in these situations because we literally cannot fully contain this or anything like it.

I think this would not be a problem if the overwhelming majority of the population was as responsible as you and wear a mask to protect others. Yet we see there is pushback on people upset not only about their having to wear a mask to go to Costco, but also mad at the waitress at whatever shithole restaurant in Oklahoma for wearing one. The problem with this virus is you and I can take all the precautions we can and Billy Bob MI Militia Guy can fuck it all up by standing too close to you or breathing on your Amazon package he delivers to your or Grandma's house.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #122 on: May 07, 2020, 07:26:48 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 07, 2020, 04:08:12 PM
Quote from: Mn on May 07, 2020, 10:13:55 AM
Interesting article about hindsight being 20/20.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/us/new-york-city-coronavirus-outbreak.html#click=https://t.co/rPWdKG1xaV

Tho the sample size is small, the conclusion appears to be that we should blame ourselves rather than the CCP. The strain passing thru NYC came from Europe. 100% of Louisiana cases in the study were of the NY strain. Each and everyone of us is responsible for allowing infected individuals to pass thru NY airports, the transportation systems, and on to the rest of the country.

Acting earlier would most likely have blunted the virus’s march across the country, researchers say.
“It means that we missed the boat early on, and the vast majority in this country is coming from domestic spread,” said Kristian Andersen, a professor in the department of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research. “I keep hearing that it’s somebody else’s fault. That’s not true. It’s not somebody else’s fault, it’s our own fault.”

Anyone have any hard data from July 7, 2020 that they would be willing to share today ? lol.

And where did the NY strain come from? Europe.  And where did the Europe strain come from? Looks like China....it all seems to goes back to one spot.

And since when do you start relying on the Lyin' NY Times???
A bunch of those little coronaviruses snuck out of that lab in Wuhan, and look where we are now.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #123 on: May 07, 2020, 07:49:51 PM »
Quote from: Mn on May 07, 2020, 07:26:48 PM
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 07, 2020, 04:08:12 PM
Quote from: Mn on May 07, 2020, 10:13:55 AM
Interesting article about hindsight being 20/20.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/us/new-york-city-coronavirus-outbreak.html#click=https://t.co/rPWdKG1xaV

Tho the sample size is small, the conclusion appears to be that we should blame ourselves rather than the CCP. The strain passing thru NYC came from Europe. 100% of Louisiana cases in the study were of the NY strain. Each and everyone of us is responsible for allowing infected individuals to pass thru NY airports, the transportation systems, and on to the rest of the country.

Acting earlier would most likely have blunted the virus’s march across the country, researchers say.
“It means that we missed the boat early on, and the vast majority in this country is coming from domestic spread,” said Kristian Andersen, a professor in the department of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research. “I keep hearing that it’s somebody else’s fault. That’s not true. It’s not somebody else’s fault, it’s our own fault.”

Anyone have any hard data from July 7, 2020 that they would be willing to share today ? lol.

And where did the NY strain come from? Europe.  And where did the Europe strain come from? Looks like China....it all seems to goes back to one spot.

And since when do you start relying on the Lyin' NY Times???
A bunch of those little coronaviruses snuck out of that lab in Wuhan, and look where we are now.

Ann Coulter ain't buying that conspiracy theory.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #124 on: May 08, 2020, 12:44:30 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 07, 2020, 04:20:12 PM
Quote from: Custard on May 07, 2020, 01:32:30 PM
At what point is it time to let people make their own decisions? Are we gonna lock grandma up forever and just bring her stuff when she needs it and pass it through a sanitized grommet in her front door? Many in the public and government are willing to accept more deaths, perhaps even the risk of their own. We do risky things each and every day by choice, like riding a bicycle or driving a car or getting in an airplane or having unprotected sex or being in crowded places where germs are being passed around. Disease and death are part of life. There is always going to be some level of acceptable collateral damage in these situations because we literally cannot fully contain this or anything like it.

I think this would not be a problem if the overwhelming majority of the population was as responsible as you and wear a mask to protect others. Yet we see there is pushback on people upset not only about their having to wear a mask to go to Costco, but also mad at the waitress at whatever shithole restaurant in Oklahoma for wearing one. The problem with this virus is you and I can take all the precautions we can and Billy Bob MI Militia Guy can fuck it all up by standing too close to you or breathing on your Amazon package he delivers to your or Grandma's house.

I live in BFE with all the rednecks who supposedly aren’t taking this seriously. Damn near everyone is wearing a mask and following government guidelines. I’m sure it’s easy to find tales online about one-off situations and turn them into a stereotype.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #125 on: May 08, 2020, 04:09:05 AM »
Quote from: Custard on May 08, 2020, 12:44:30 AM
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 07, 2020, 04:20:12 PM
Quote from: Custard on May 07, 2020, 01:32:30 PM
At what point is it time to let people make their own decisions? Are we gonna lock grandma up forever and just bring her stuff when she needs it and pass it through a sanitized grommet in her front door? Many in the public and government are willing to accept more deaths, perhaps even the risk of their own. We do risky things each and every day by choice, like riding a bicycle or driving a car or getting in an airplane or having unprotected sex or being in crowded places where germs are being passed around. Disease and death are part of life. There is always going to be some level of acceptable collateral damage in these situations because we literally cannot fully contain this or anything like it.

I think this would not be a problem if the overwhelming majority of the population was as responsible as you and wear a mask to protect others. Yet we see there is pushback on people upset not only about their having to wear a mask to go to Costco, but also mad at the waitress at whatever shithole restaurant in Oklahoma for wearing one. The problem with this virus is you and I can take all the precautions we can and Billy Bob MI Militia Guy can fuck it all up by standing too close to you or breathing on your Amazon package he delivers to your or Grandma's house.

I live in BFE with all the rednecks who supposedly aren’t taking this seriously. Damn near everyone is wearing a mask and following government guidelines. I’m sure it’s easy to find tales online about one-off situations and turn them into a stereotype.

Hopefully you are correct, but given the reports of house parties in Chicago, what I see where I live, and what happened in OK, I'm not as optimistic as you are.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #126 on: May 08, 2020, 05:50:22 AM »
See and now we have circled back to Darwinism again.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #127 on: May 08, 2020, 06:21:14 AM »
Except that the perps aren't necessarily the ones who die.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #128 on: May 08, 2020, 11:47:31 AM »
Birds of a feather
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #129 on: May 08, 2020, 01:01:04 PM »
Quote from: Custard on May 08, 2020, 12:44:30 AM

I live in BFE with all the rednecks who supposedly aren’t taking this seriously. Damn near everyone is wearing a mask and following government guidelines. I’m sure it’s easy to find tales online about one-off situations and turn them into a stereotype.

If you were taking it seriously you wouldn't even know if damn near everyone was wearing a mask because you wouldn't be close enough to enough people to make that assessment.

But it's good to hear those people storming the various statehouses with guns and no masks are just one-off situations.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #130 on: May 08, 2020, 01:38:38 PM »
I want to know what Nebraska is going to do about that Spirit Airlines beating.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #131 on: May 08, 2020, 08:12:21 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 08, 2020, 04:09:05 AM
Quote from: Custard on May 08, 2020, 12:44:30 AM
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 07, 2020, 04:20:12 PM
Quote from: Custard on May 07, 2020, 01:32:30 PM
At what point is it time to let people make their own decisions? Are we gonna lock grandma up forever and just bring her stuff when she needs it and pass it through a sanitized grommet in her front door? Many in the public and government are willing to accept more deaths, perhaps even the risk of their own. We do risky things each and every day by choice, like riding a bicycle or driving a car or getting in an airplane or having unprotected sex or being in crowded places where germs are being passed around. Disease and death are part of life. There is always going to be some level of acceptable collateral damage in these situations because we literally cannot fully contain this or anything like it.

I think this would not be a problem if the overwhelming majority of the population was as responsible as you and wear a mask to protect others. Yet we see there is pushback on people upset not only about their having to wear a mask to go to Costco, but also mad at the waitress at whatever shithole restaurant in Oklahoma for wearing one. The problem with this virus is you and I can take all the precautions we can and Billy Bob MI Militia Guy can fuck it all up by standing too close to you or breathing on your Amazon package he delivers to your or Grandma's house.

I live in BFE with all the rednecks who supposedly aren’t taking this seriously. Damn near everyone is wearing a mask and following government guidelines. I’m sure it’s easy to find tales online about one-off situations and turn them into a stereotype.

Hopefully you are correct, but given the reports of house parties in Chicago, what I see where I live, and what happened in OK, I'm not as optimistic as you are.
I've heard of people having small house parties on the north side. I also have noticed drastically increased auto traffic today and last Saturday when I was out, probably 1.5x what it was in late March. It's unfortunate b/c this thing should die with how heavy the protocol has been and I'm worried we're going to relax into a wave 2 that's just a continuation of wave 1.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #132 on: May 09, 2020, 12:17:53 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on May 08, 2020, 01:01:04 PM
Quote from: Custard on May 08, 2020, 12:44:30 AM

I live in BFE with all the rednecks who supposedly aren’t taking this seriously. Damn near everyone is wearing a mask and following government guidelines. I’m sure it’s easy to find tales online about one-off situations and turn them into a stereotype.

If you were taking it seriously you wouldn't even know if damn near everyone was wearing a mask because you wouldn't be close enough to enough people to make that assessment.

But it's good to hear those people storming the various statehouses with guns and no masks are just one-off situations.

My work is an essential business and it requires travel and fueling and food and such. By god I’m on the front lines here, a little appreciation would be nice!

Actually today across multiple stops I noticed almost everyone was wearing a mask except older people.

How many instances of storming state houses with no masks and guns have occurred? I honestly don’t know.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #133 on: May 09, 2020, 01:09:26 AM »
Quote from: Custard on May 09, 2020, 12:17:53 AM

How many instances of storming state houses with no masks and guns have occurred? I honestly don’t know.

One is too many
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« Reply #134 on: May 09, 2020, 08:55:16 AM »
I said a one-off situation and you said it wasn’t a one-off situation so I asked how many times it’s happened and you said one.
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