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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3165 on: October 27, 2021, 07:37:57 PM »
I seriously would like to GTFO of this country.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3166 on: October 27, 2021, 07:51:54 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on October 27, 2021, 07:37:57 PM
I seriously would like to GTFO of this country.

I hear tell it's easy to get into Mexico.  Canada, not so much.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3167 on: October 27, 2021, 08:02:38 PM »
Quote from: Chickengeorge on October 27, 2021, 07:51:54 PM
I hear tell it's easy to get into Mexico.  Canada, not so much.

My mother lives in Puerto Vallarta 6-7 months out of the year. Doesn’t suck.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3168 on: October 27, 2021, 08:10:52 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on October 27, 2021, 06:56:12 PM
It’s already begun.

Republican Party’s civil war in Nevada: Moderates vs. violent extremists
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2021/aug/02/in-the-republican-partys-civil-war-its-moderates-v/

Thanks for the alarmist op-ed !
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« Reply #3169 on: October 27, 2021, 08:12:02 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on October 27, 2021, 07:37:57 PM
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« Reply #3170 on: October 27, 2021, 08:26:05 PM »
Eric Rubin, FDA voting member, on giving an experimental use authorization vaccine to 5 year old kids. The vote was a two choice, no middle ground, of vaccinations for all 5-11 year olds or none.
""We're never going to learn about how safe the vaccine is unless we start giving it," Rubin said. "That's just the way it goes, "

That's just the way it goes, Moms and Dads.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3171 on: October 27, 2021, 08:37:19 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on October 27, 2021, 08:02:38 PM
My mother lives in Puerto Vallarta 6-7 months out of the year. Doesn’t suck.

Does she take The Love Boat there?
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« Reply #3172 on: October 27, 2021, 08:41:46 PM »
Quote from: Mn on October 27, 2021, 08:26:05 PM
Eric Rubin, FDA voting member, on giving an experimental use authorization vaccine to 5 year old kids. The vote was a two choice, no middle ground, of vaccinations for all 5-11 year olds or none.
""We're never going to learn about how safe the vaccine is unless we start giving it," Rubin said. "That's just the way it goes, "

That's just the way it goes, Moms and Dads.

Seems like an odd thing to say.  Apparently there is a WaPo article behind a paywall on his comments and their context.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3173 on: October 27, 2021, 09:15:30 PM »
Quote from: Mn on October 27, 2021, 08:26:05 PM
Eric Rubin, FDA voting member, on giving an experimental use authorization vaccine to 5 year old kids. The vote was a two choice, no middle ground, of vaccinations for all 5-11 year olds or none.
""We're never going to learn about how safe the vaccine is unless we start giving it," Rubin said. "That's just the way it goes, "

That's just the way it goes, Moms and Dads.

Citation please?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3174 on: October 27, 2021, 09:27:22 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3175 on: October 27, 2021, 09:32:10 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on October 27, 2021, 09:15:30 PM
Citation please?

My guess is the Daily Caller, or the Daily Wire.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3176 on: October 27, 2021, 09:50:11 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 27, 2021, 08:41:46 PM
Seems like an odd thing to say.  Apparently there is a WaPo article behind a paywall on his comments and their context.

I was able to access the article.  I cleared my cache and cookies first.  Not sure if that did the trick.

Here’s a look at Rubin’s fuller comments: 
“This is a much tougher one, I think, than we had expected coming into it. The data show that this vaccine works and it’s pretty safe … And yet, we’re worried about a side effect that we can’t measure yet, but it’s probably real. And we see a benefit that isn’t that same as it is in older patients.”

“It’s a very, sort of, personal choice. If I had a child who was a transplant recipient, I would really want to be able to use a vaccine. And there are certain kids who probably should be vaccinated. The question of how broadly to use I think is a substantial one. And I know it’s not question, and I know we’re kind of punting that to ACIP.”

“But I do think that it’s a relatively close call. As Dr. [Ofer] Levy just said, and Dr. [Hayley] Gans said, it really is going to be a question of what the prevailing conditions are. But we’re never going to learn about how safe this vaccine is unless we start giving it. That’s just the way it goes. That’s how we found out about rare complications of other vaccines like coronavirus vaccine. And I do think we should vote to approve it.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/27/an-fda-adviser-said-we-need-give-kids-vaccines-fully-understand-their-safety-heres-crucial-context/

It’s important to understand what the FDA is considering here.  If approved, it will not be forcing any children ages 5 to 11 to take the vaccine.  It’s about giving parents the option.  “When there is a declared emergency, the FDA can make a judgment that it's worth releasing something for use even without all the evidence that would fully establish its effectiveness and safety.  If there’s evidence that strongly suggests that patients have benefited from a treatment or test, the agency can issue an emergency use authorization or EUA to make it available.”

Over the years FDA has issued EUAs for anthrax, ebola, enterovirus, H7N9 influenza and Middle East respiratory syndrome.
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2020/what-is-emergency-use-authorization
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3177 on: October 27, 2021, 09:52:09 PM »
https://www.statnews.com/2021/10/26/pfizer-covid19-vaccine-kids-vrbpac-fda/
Paul Offat, voting member ...
"Making these decisions is not easy, Offit noted. “The fact of the matter is you’re basing a decision for millions of children on a study of 2,400, really,” he said of today’s vote. “And that’s uncomfortable. So you want caveats. But you don’t get ’em. As [chair] Dr. Monto said over and over again, it’s a binary decision.”

It's all 5-11 year olds, or none .....
4:08 p.m.: Panel chair Arnold Monto has now tried to get the FDA to change the wording of the question twice — and has been rebuffed by the FDA’s Peter Marks both times.
Several panelists clearly worry that while they believe the vaccine should be an option, particularly for kids who are at risk, they’re not sure the data exist for a wide approval. “Help us out in terms of what happens if we vote yes,” Monto said, “and clearly if we vote no the vaccine will not be available to anyone.”
Marks once again said that he’d like to stick with the question as worded.

Compromised kids would not get the vaccine with a "no" vote.
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« Reply #3178 on: October 27, 2021, 10:03:35 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on October 27, 2021, 09:50:11 PM
I was able to access the article.  I cleared my cache and cookies first.  Not sure if that did the trick.

Here’s a look at Rubin’s fuller comments: 
“This is a much tougher one, I think, than we had expected coming into it. The data show that this vaccine works and it’s pretty safe … And yet, we’re worried about a side effect that we can’t measure yet, but it’s probably real. And we see a benefit that isn’t that same as it is in older patients.”

“It’s a very, sort of, personal choice. If I had a child who was a transplant recipient, I would really want to be able to use a vaccine. And there are certain kids who probably should be vaccinated. The question of how broadly to use I think is a substantial one. And I know it’s not question, and I know we’re kind of punting that to ACIP.”

“But I do think that it’s a relatively close call. As Dr. [Ofer] Levy just said, and Dr. [Hayley] Gans said, it really is going to be a question of what the prevailing conditions are. But we’re never going to learn about how safe this vaccine is unless we start giving it. That’s just the way it goes. That’s how we found out about rare complications of other vaccines like coronavirus vaccine. And I do think we should vote to approve it.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/27/an-fda-adviser-said-we-need-give-kids-vaccines-fully-understand-their-safety-heres-crucial-context/

It’s important to understand what the FDA is considering here.  If approved, it will not be forcing any children ages 5 to 11 to take the vaccine.  It’s about giving parents the option.  “When there is a declared emergency, the FDA can make a judgment that it's worth releasing something for use even without all the evidence that would fully establish its effectiveness and safety.  If there’s evidence that strongly suggests that patients have benefited from a treatment or test, the agency can issue an emergency use authorization or EUA to make it available.”

Over the years FDA has issued EUAs for anthrax, ebola, enterovirus, H7N9 influenza and Middle East respiratory syndrome.
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2020/what-is-emergency-use-authorization

For any 5-11 year old to get the vaccine, a "yes" vote was required. Rubin sees the value in a compromised kid getting the vaccine. A "no" vote prevents that.
Uncompromised kids 5-11 have a 0% death rate. Deaths in the 5-11 age group are compromised kids. Let them get vaccinated.
What's the emergency ? Uncompromised 5-11 year old kids are not an emergency.
The FDA will not be enforcing, lol. Everybody else will do that.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3179 on: October 27, 2021, 10:39:41 PM »
Quote from: Mn on October 27, 2021, 10:03:35 PM
The FDA will not be enforcing, lol. Everybody else will do that.

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