WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #5070 on: February 04, 2023, 04:44:07 AM »

Custard still engaging in fringe scientific theory, I see.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #5071 on: February 04, 2023, 11:55:11 AM »

I see that none of you morons have actually read it

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #5072 on: February 04, 2023, 02:07:10 PM »

Quote from: ScoreListener on February 04, 2023, 04:44:07 AM

Custard still engaging in fringe scientific theory, I see.

Follow the science

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #5073 on: February 04, 2023, 09:22:22 PM »

Quote from: Custard on February 04, 2023, 02:07:10 PM

Follow the science

Hehe 🙃

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #5074 on: February 10, 2023, 05:30:18 PM »

Now he tells us.

"the limitations of influenza and SARS-CoV-2 vaccines remind us that candidate vaccines for most other respiratory viruses have to date been insufficiently protective for consideration of licensure, including candidate vaccines against RSV, a major killer of infants and the elderly,16,17,18,19,20,21 parainfluenzaviruses, endemic coronaviruses,22 and many other “common cold” viruses that cause significant morbidity and economic loss."

"Taking all of these factors into account, it is not surprising that none of the predominantly mucosal respiratory viruses have ever been effectively controlled by vaccines."

Rethinking next-generation vaccines for coronaviruses, influenzaviruses, and other respiratory viruses
David M. Morens
Jeffery K. Taubenberger
Anthony S. Fauci
https://www.cell.com/cell-host-microbe/fulltext/S1931-3128(22)00572-8

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #5075 on: February 10, 2023, 09:07:47 PM »

It was all in The Atlantic article I always post. From February 2020. What a fucking sham.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #5076 on: February 10, 2023, 09:50:52 PM »

Quote from: Custard on February 10, 2023, 09:07:47 PM

It was all in The Atlantic article I always post. From February 2020. What a fucking sham.

It takes some kind of shameless for Fauci to now co-author a study that includes "none of the predominantly mucosal respiratory viruses have ever been effectively controlled by vaccines."

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #5077 on: February 10, 2023, 10:14:25 PM »

"This observation raises a question of fundamental importance: if natural mucosal respiratory virus infections do not elicit complete and long-term protective immunity against reinfection, how can we expect vaccines, especially systemically administered non-replicating vaccines, to do so? This is a major challenge for future vaccine development, and overcoming it is critical as we work to develop “next-generation” vaccines."

In other words, natural immunity doesn't really work to well for "mucosal respiratory viruses" either.

They speculate that this is because we have developed a tolerance response to these sorts of viral infections. Instead of fighting them, our bodies deal with the symptoms and pretty let them run their course.

That's all fine and dandy for common colds. I suppose a cold blooded person could view the more intense short incubation viruses as culling the herd?

They aren't throwing in the towel. They are still trying to come up with a "next gen flu vaccine."

'Since mucosal and systemic immunity only partially protects against infection with mucosal respiratory viruses, we must take advantage of alternative host immune mechanisms"

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #5078 on: February 10, 2023, 10:31:17 PM »

Quote from: Mn on February 10, 2023, 09:50:52 PM

It takes some kind of shameless for Fauci to now co-author a study that includes "none of the predominantly mucosal respiratory viruses have ever been effectively controlled by vaccines."

Did you read the article in its entirety? Or did you just cherry pick data to support some misplaced right wing agenda?

It is difficult, highly technical reading. In laymen's terms, our bodies have evolved in a certain way to deal with short term, rapidly mutating, respiratory viruses. Basically, rather than developing a central immunity, it deals with the symptoms and rides out the storm. That is oversimplified, but appears to be the gist.

We do not presently have a general vaccine to control the flu per se. That does not mean our annual flu vaccines have no value. Ditto the Covid vaccines..

Meanwhile, they are not giving up. There are multiple promising lines of inquiry with serious obstacles to overcome.

« Last Edit: February 10, 2023, 11:11:10 PM by illiniray »

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #5079 on: February 10, 2023, 10:52:14 PM »

Raise your hand if you thought Fauci had all the answers, particularly in the early days of the pandemic. As the virus evolved, so did his views on the effectiveness of vaccines. The pandemic has been a learning experience for the scientific community. I’m grateful for the current round of vaccines, but realize they protect best against serious illnesses and death. I also realize they don’t provide lasting protection. I think scientists and medical experts will rise to the challenge and develop more durable vaccines in the future.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #5080 on: February 11, 2023, 06:26:46 AM »

Quote from: illiniray on February 10, 2023, 10:31:17 PM

Did you read the article in its entirety? Or did you just cherry pick data to support some misplaced right wing agenda?

It is difficult, highly technical reading. In laymen's terms, our bodies have evolved in a certain way to deal with short term, rapidly mutating, respiratory viruses. Basically, rather than developing a central immunity, it deals with the symptoms and rides out the storm. That is oversimplified, but appears to be the gist.

We do not presently have a general vaccine to control the flu per se. That does not mean our annual flu vaccines have no value. Ditto the Covid vaccines..

Meanwhile, they are not giving up. There are multiple promising lines of inquiry with serious obstacles to overcome.

Yes, the article is technical. The explanation of why smallpox and other vaccines are effective as opposed to the efficacy of a vaccine for a respiratory virus was interesting.

Cherry picking, as you call it, a rather damning statement about the efficacy of vaccines vs mucosal virus infections was simply highlighting a statement that was in a study co-authored by Fauci.

Fauci, who was happy to get in front of tv cameras to tell the country how great the vaccine was at everything, is now co-authoring a mea culpa study down playing the efficacy of mucosal respiratory virus vaccines.
Tell me again why Bhattacharya, Kuldorff and others were ridiculed as 'fringe epidemiologists'.
On 2nd thought, don't bother.

"Meanwhile, they are not giving up. There are multiple promising lines of inquiry with serious obstacles to overcome."
This should scare you. Do we get another pandemic to test out a promising line of inquiry ?

« Last Edit: February 11, 2023, 06:31:46 AM by Mn »

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #5081 on: February 11, 2023, 06:42:15 AM »

Quote from: alum74 on February 10, 2023, 10:52:14 PM

Raise your hand if you thought Fauci had all the answers, particularly in the early days of the pandemic. As the virus evolved, so did his views on the effectiveness of vaccines. The pandemic has been a learning experience for the scientific community. I’m grateful for the current round of vaccines, but realize they protect best against serious illnesses and death. I also realize they don’t provide lasting protection. I think scientists and medical experts will rise to the challenge and develop more durable vaccines in the future.

We follow the sCiENcE. You will not get infected. You will not transmit the virus.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #5082 on: February 11, 2023, 07:58:02 AM »

Sounds like the vaccine was at least effective in reducing hospitalizations and deaths.

And, didn't the derided mitigation efforts and vaccine give time for the virus to mutate to become less deadly? Was that was in the Atlantic article in 2020?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #5083 on: February 11, 2023, 08:27:47 AM »

Quote from: ThePAMan on February 11, 2023, 07:58:02 AM

Sounds like the vaccine was at least effective in reducing hospitalizations and deaths.

And, didn't the derided mitigation efforts and vaccine give time for the virus to mutate to become less deadly? Was that was in the Atlantic article in 2020?

If only they would have told us the vaccine may help prevent hospitalization and death and not make the other promises, it's quite possible that vaccine acceptance would be higher and perceptions of the NIAID, NIH and CDC would be better.
But vaccines were mandated to continue employment, to get on a plane, to get a vaccine passport. People were ridiculed, lost their jobs, committed suicide due to economic despair. All for false promises over a vaccine that would prove to be no better than the 14-60% efficacious flu vaccines.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #5084 on: February 11, 2023, 08:30:39 AM »

Quote from: Mn on February 11, 2023, 08:27:47 AM

If only they would have told us the vaccine may help prevent hospitalization and death and not make the other promises, it's quite possible that vaccine acceptance would be higher and perceptions of the NIAID, NIH and CDC would be better.
But vaccines were mandated to continue employment, to get on a plane, to get a vaccine passport. People were ridiculed, lost their jobs, committed suicide due to economic despair. All for false promises over a vaccine that would prove to be no better than the 14-60% efficacious flu vaccines.

Thanks Trump!

Sorry, not sorry about the the snowflakes like Kyrie Irving. Maybe the Chinese vaccine works better? Oops.

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