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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5355 on: July 14, 2023, 02:29:59 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 14, 2023, 11:57:44 AM
That's an interesting leap.

If you cannot prove that the moon landing was *not* faked, then the odds of it being faked are higher? True by construction because if you can prove it was not faked, then the odds of it being faked are zero.

While true by construction, it's still a logical fallacy that is misleading. If we set some odds that COVID was man made - let's say 15% - and then we ask Fauci to prove it was not man made - that does not increase the odds from 15% to some higher percentage.

I prefer Occam's razor. Lacking proof of either explanation, default to the most likely one. Viruses have evolved since time immemorial - man made viruses have not.

There is a difference. The Chinese Commies could cooperate. They won't. Ergo, you investigate the other avenue as much as possible. If you can prove it was evolution, then you have proven it was not man made.

Saying we need to take the route that was not foreclosed is what Fauci did. No one has been able to prove that it was evolutionary, have they?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5356 on: July 14, 2023, 03:10:24 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 14, 2023, 02:29:59 PM
There is a difference. The Chinese Commies could cooperate. They won't. Ergo, you investigate the other avenue as much as possible. If you can prove it was evolution, then you have proven it was not man made.

Saying we need to take the route that was not foreclosed is what Fauci did. No one has been able to prove that it was evolutionary, have they?

We will need Chinese government cooperation to fully explore both theories.  At this moment, that's not likely.     
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/17/health/covid-origins-who.html




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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5357 on: July 14, 2023, 03:13:07 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 14, 2023, 03:10:24 PM
We will need Chinese government cooperation to fully explore both theories.  At this moment, that's not likely.     
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/17/health/covid-origins-who.html

I did consider that, but there was a fork in the road and one at least you could attempt to do on your own, right?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5358 on: July 14, 2023, 03:21:55 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 14, 2023, 03:13:07 PM
I did consider that, but there was a fork in the road and one at least you could attempt to do on your own, right?

Both theories remain on the table. Some scientists will continue to pursue the animal origins theory, while others will look for evidence to support the lab leak theory. 

I just don't think we'll get to the bottom of the mystery without full CCP cooperation.   
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5359 on: July 14, 2023, 04:28:12 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 14, 2023, 02:29:59 PM
There is a difference. The Chinese Commies could cooperate. They won't. Ergo, you investigate the other avenue as much as possible. If you can prove it was evolution, then you have proven it was not man made.

Saying we need to take the route that was not foreclosed is what Fauci did. No one has been able to prove that it was evolutionary, have they?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5360 on: July 14, 2023, 05:10:28 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 14, 2023, 04:28:12 PM
I find your newsletter very interesting and would like to subscribe

Feel free to read it while riding your bike in traffic!
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5361 on: July 14, 2023, 06:07:34 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 14, 2023, 05:10:28 PM
Feel free to read it while riding your bike in traffic!

Not surprising you're still living in the 1980's, dead tree newsletter. What is with all the old farts on this Geocities style message board.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5362 on: July 14, 2023, 06:20:02 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 14, 2023, 06:07:34 PM
Not surprising you're still living in the 1980's, dead tree newsletter. What is with all the old farts on this Geocities style message board.

I presumed you would be reading it on your phone while biking. There is zero way you don't do that already!
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5363 on: July 15, 2023, 12:13:36 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 14, 2023, 06:20:02 PM
I presumed you would be reading it on your phone while biking. There is zero way you don't do that already!

Some people have skillz. Some people are just marking time for the grave.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5364 on: July 15, 2023, 11:37:46 AM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5365 on: July 15, 2023, 12:06:17 PM »
The Secret has been revealed.  It was done with lasers and chopsticks.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5366 on: July 15, 2023, 12:37:33 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 15, 2023, 12:06:17 PM
The Secret has been revealed.  It was done with lasers and chopsticks.

Because we know The Jews like to go to Chinese restaurants on Christmas Day
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5367 on: July 16, 2023, 07:43:30 AM »
Page 109 of 216 pages of the rough drafts of Proximal Origins ....



And who might be included in the group of public health scientists ? Who convened this group ?

The letter, which references the Proximal Origins draft of Feb 16 that is undergoing peer review before rejection by Nature, was written Feb 19. Andersen was notified by Nature on Feb 20 that they would not be able to publish Proximal Origins.
And the Proximal Origins authors reference the letter 2 days later in support of their Feb 21 draft response to the concerns of Reviewer #2.



This "much too conflicted to think about this issue straight" Christian ?


And one of Fauci's first contacts was Jeremy Farrar, who Fauci contacted on Feb 1. Did they discuss the gain of function research in Wuhan and the intentional insertion of a mutation ?



And Peter Daszak is also included among the "public health scientists".
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5368 on: July 16, 2023, 12:28:39 PM »
Mn, Murph outside should have told you there is nothing to see here.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5369 on: July 16, 2023, 01:54:24 PM »
At first I was excited that Biden had an outsider challenging him…then I started seeing shit like this.

https://twitter.com/meidastouch/status/1680237265510092800?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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