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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6270 on: October 04, 2024, 12:18:18 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on October 04, 2024, 12:01:19 PM
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, and I probably am, but people should do what they think is right for them, outside of politics. Get a shot, or don't. But at the height of everything, like in 2020, I do think the vaccine quelled things a bit. We can disagree. But it's better than just letting it go.

Yes you misunderstood me. I am obviously not doing a good job of getting my point across.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6271 on: October 04, 2024, 12:22:05 PM »
Quote from: Custard on October 04, 2024, 12:18:18 PM
Yes you misunderstood me. I am obviously not doing a good job of getting my point across.

haha, you probably are. Honestly, it's Friday, I have a sinus infection and am on an antibiotic that is making me not trust a single fart (I trusted one last night, and had an issue), and I have a lot of shit going on.

So, my bad for misunderstanding, is what I'm trying to say.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6272 on: October 04, 2024, 12:22:19 PM »
The article mentioned that the vaccine side effect risk was low. How is that quantified? Who knows?

However, the point of the article seems focused on the kids you were saying didn't need the vaccine who got The COVID and are now having heart attacks out of nowhere.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6273 on: October 04, 2024, 12:26:26 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 04, 2024, 12:22:19 PM
The article mentioned that the vaccine side effect risk was low. How is that quantified? Who knows?

However, the point of the article seems focused on the kids you were saying didn't need the vaccine who got The COVID and are now having heart attacks out of nowhere.

Don't know how it was quantified, honestly. It was put out as an emergency risk exemption or whatever. I'm guessing risk analysis was lacking, but they were basing it on data from previous RNA based vaccines.

As far as kids having heart attacks, I don't really know. Was it Covid or the vaccine? Or something else. I haven't really researched it. Basically, the way I see it, someone on Twitter posts something that says, "hey, this kid has a shitty heart because of the vaccine", it goes viral, then fact turns into fiction and fiction turns into fact, and at the end of the day nobody knows shit.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6274 on: October 04, 2024, 12:34:07 PM »
The mistake I made here was throwing out a vaccine reference in my first reply to his article which everyone focused on instead of the point that I was trying to make; which is that this really isn’t news. And it bothers me that people are just now finding out about these things that people were getting banned from social media for saying during the vaccine campaign.

Vaccine uptake definitely would have been lower if it was being widely discussed that spike proteins were behind the coagulation/clotting/myocarditis issues and the vaccine caused the body to create spike protein, which could cause some of the same issues. They just kind of quietly pulled the J&J shot off the market because of the problems. The public benefits outweighed the risks and such.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6275 on: October 04, 2024, 12:48:17 PM »
Quote from: Custard on October 04, 2024, 12:34:07 PM
The mistake I made here was throwing out a vaccine reference in my first reply to his article which everyone focused on instead of the point that I was trying to make; which is that this really isn’t news. And it bothers me that people are just now finding out about these things that people were getting banned from social media for saying during the vaccine campaign.

Vaccine uptake definitely would have been lower if it was being widely discussed that spike proteins were behind the coagulation/clotting/myocarditis issues and the vaccine caused the body to create spike protein, which could cause some of the same issues. They just kind of quietly pulled the J&J shot off the market because of the problems. The public benefits outweighed the risks and such.

The issue is you keep arguing that younger kids didn't need the vaccine when it now appears healthy kids who got The COVID are dropping dead due to heart attacks 4 years later (despite you claiming getting it was not going to impact them and they should have kept everything open). Granted, there is a lot more research to do and only time will tell, but if it is your healthy kid dropping dead, that is not going to help you now. For all we know, the dumbfuck teacher unions could have been right?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6276 on: October 04, 2024, 01:58:08 PM »
Even with some of these heart attacks, the fact is that kids have issues with Covid and vaccine at very low rates. And we don’t even know for sure what’s going on other than there’s a correlation to Covid cases and in some cases vaccinations and myriad underlying issues. So I’m still not sure it made sense for them to get vaccinated. We don’t even know if it would have prevented them, although it’s plausible. Also plausible it could have caused some of the issues. The article was really short on details and data.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6277 on: October 04, 2024, 02:50:35 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 04, 2024, 12:48:17 PM
For all we know, the dumbfuck teacher unions could have been right?

It have a hard time wrapping my mind around how someone can be so anti-Republican and anti-teachers union at the same time.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6278 on: October 04, 2024, 02:51:34 PM »
I remain thoroughly impressed with Custard’s knowledge on science and medicine.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6279 on: October 04, 2024, 03:53:39 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on October 04, 2024, 02:50:35 PM
It have a hard time wrapping my mind around how someone can be so anti-Republican and anti-teachers union at the same time.

Even when it is about the teachers instead of the kids' education?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6280 on: October 04, 2024, 03:54:21 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on October 04, 2024, 02:51:34 PM
I remain thoroughly impressed with Custard’s knowledge on science and medicine.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6281 on: October 04, 2024, 04:55:59 PM »
It’s all out there if you care to read it. Or I can just continue to bring you parsed information and spin it in a way that irritates you and provokes a response.
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« Reply #6282 on: October 04, 2024, 06:14:31 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6283 on: October 04, 2024, 08:39:00 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on October 04, 2024, 06:14:31 PM
With COVID, Not All Myocarditis Is Created Equal
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/covid-not-all-myocarditis-created-equal-2024a1000fl3?form=fpf

You expect us to trust a Yale doctor talking about research done by Frenchies?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6284 on: October 04, 2024, 08:49:40 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 04, 2024, 08:39:00 PM
You expect us to trust a Yale doctor talking about research done by Frenchies?

Hey, but he's not a Yale administrator.  Let's cut him a little slack.   
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