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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #795 on: September 12, 2020, 02:21:20 PM »
My grandfather would never do something that petty.

He had two moods: Chill and Somebody’s Spitting Teeth
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #796 on: September 12, 2020, 08:42:07 PM »
Quote from: fucking on September 12, 2020, 12:14:46 AM


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Did I ever tell you I really liked on of the tracks you had up on Youtube?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #797 on: September 12, 2020, 08:50:53 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on September 11, 2020, 12:52:12 PM
The countries that succeeded *shut* things down.
I remember when Wuhan shut it down and prevented a broad spread to the eastern Chinese megalopolises, people were already saying here - this is like in March/April - that we just "couldn't" shut down as they had, and I asked people why, and I never got a satisfactory answer.

If you plan correctly and have functioning social services you can go 10 days without leaving the house. It sucks, but it's better than still dealing with a pandemic 6 months later.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #798 on: September 12, 2020, 09:35:02 PM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on September 12, 2020, 08:42:07 PM
Did I ever tell you I really liked on of the tracks you had up on Youtube?

A music thing?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #799 on: September 12, 2020, 09:40:51 PM »
Oh ... I get it.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #800 on: September 12, 2020, 11:11:22 PM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on September 12, 2020, 08:50:53 PM
I remember when Wuhan shut it down and prevented a broad spread to the eastern Chinese megalopolises, people were already saying here - this is like in March/April - that we just "couldn't" shut down as they had, and I asked people why, and I never got a satisfactory answer.

If you plan correctly and have functioning social services you can go 10 days without leaving the house. It sucks, but it's better than still dealing with a pandemic 6 months later.

How confident are you in the data China is providing? Many experts aren’t confident. Please don’t be the guy championing China.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing


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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #801 on: September 13, 2020, 12:14:35 AM »
Fudged but they're not airtight enough to conceal a broad pandemic outbreak.

Plus we know a lot of the 2nd world is verifiably containing it, e.g. most of the big cities in Africa.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #802 on: September 13, 2020, 03:08:31 AM »
Quote from: Custard on September 12, 2020, 11:11:22 PM
Please don’t be the guy championing China.

You often go for weeks without seeming like you're a hideous, small town xenophobic goober.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #803 on: September 13, 2020, 06:56:17 AM »

Before the people in the hazmat suits showed up.
The guy on the bike is to give the impression that there's nothing to see here. Happens all the time.
I don't remember seeing these images from anywhere but communist China.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #804 on: September 13, 2020, 08:16:58 AM »
Quote from: fucking on September 13, 2020, 03:08:31 AM
You often go for weeks without seeming like you're a hideous, small town xenophobic goober.

Maybe the Chinese put one of his relatives in the.concentrarion camps they've built for the Muslims over there?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #805 on: September 13, 2020, 08:17:05 AM »
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/infectious-positive-pcr-test-result-covid-19/

"What can we conclude?

These studies provided limited data of variable quality that PCR results per se are unlikely to predict viral culture from human samples. Insufficient attention may have been paid how PCR results relate to disease. The relation with infectiousness is unclear and more data are needed on this.
If this is not understood, PCR results may lead to restrictions for large groups of people who do not present an infection risk.
The results indicate that viral RNA load cut-offs should be used: to understand who is infectious, the extent of any outbreak and for controlling transmission."

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #806 on: September 13, 2020, 10:50:09 AM »
Quote from: fucking on September 13, 2020, 03:08:31 AM
You often go for weeks without seeming like you're a hideous, small town xenophobic goober.
Sorry, I thought you liked science


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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #807 on: September 13, 2020, 11:28:10 AM »
Quote from: Mn on September 13, 2020, 08:17:05 AM
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/infectious-positive-pcr-test-result-covid-19/

"What can we conclude?

These studies provided limited data of variable quality that PCR results per se are unlikely to predict viral culture from human samples. Insufficient attention may have been paid how PCR results relate to disease. The relation with infectiousness is unclear and more data are needed on this.
If this is not understood, PCR results may lead to restrictions for large groups of people who do not present an infection risk.
The results indicate that viral RNA load cut-offs should be used: to understand who is infectious, the extent of any outbreak and for controlling transmission."

"What can we conclude?"

Choose your reports and studies on COVID-19 wisely.  Cast your net widely when looking at the articles about the virus.   We are still learning much.   Let the scientific process work.   Hope that our public health officials and medical community have protocols in place to deal with the evolving research on the pandemic. 

FWIW, the lead researcher Dr. Jefferson said COVID may have lain dormant across the world rather than starting in China.  There is disagreement about that claim. 

Coronavirus: Claim that COVID-19 was found in Europe last year is highly unlikely, says professor
https://www.euronews.com/2020/07/10/coronavirus-claim-that-covid-19-was-found-in-europe-last-year-is-highly-unlikely-says-prof

His research colleague and director of the CEBM also said the daily number of COVID deaths could approach zero by the end of June. 
https://www.fr24news.com/a/2020/05/covid-19-daily-death-toll-could-drop-to-near-zero-by-the-end-of-next-month-expert-says.html

While hospitalizations and deaths are down where I live, I think I'll continue to avoid large groups/gatherings, limit my time in enclosed spaces when grocery shopping, etc., and wear a mask when I can't social distance.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #808 on: September 13, 2020, 11:59:28 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on September 13, 2020, 11:28:10 AM
"What can we conclude?"

Choose your reports and studies on COVID-19 wisely.  Cast your net widely when looking at the articles about the virus.   We are still learning much.   Let the scientific process work.   Hope that our public health officials and medical community have protocols in place to deal with the evolving research on the pandemic. 

FWIW, the lead researcher Dr. Jefferson said COVID may have lain dormant across the world rather than starting in China.  There is disagreement about that claim. 

Coronavirus: Claim that COVID-19 was found in Europe last year is highly unlikely, says professor
https://www.euronews.com/2020/07/10/coronavirus-claim-that-covid-19-was-found-in-europe-last-year-is-highly-unlikely-says-prof

His research colleague and director of the CEBM also said the daily number of COVID deaths could approach zero by the end of June. 
https://www.fr24news.com/a/2020/05/covid-19-daily-death-toll-could-drop-to-near-zero-by-the-end-of-next-month-expert-says.html

While hospitalizations and deaths are down where I live, I think I'll continue to avoid large groups/gatherings, limit my time in enclosed spaces when grocery shopping, etc., and wear a mask when I can't social distance.

I try to. And for every study, there is a conflicting study.
I'm not sure about the value of running cycles until a positive result is obtained in a person who is not contagious. The article appears to imply that 30 cycles, plus or minus, may be an appropriate cut off for cycling.
I still maintain we are stuck with this virus til next spring. Over reaction and under reaction can be counter productive, especially when we're looking at a 12-15 months time frame.
Your last paragraph sums things up for me. I'm fortunate in being able to spend the worst of all this in a rural environment.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #809 on: September 13, 2020, 12:51:00 PM »
The data driven YouTube video posted earlier shows that COVID was detected in sewage wastewater in Brazil as early as Nov 2019. I’d encourage anyone who didn’t watch it because of who posted it to actually give it a watch.
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