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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5430 on: July 18, 2023, 10:45:13 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 18, 2023, 08:11:01 PM
In that context, going off half cocked with unproven lab leak and engineered bioweapon theories was probably not a wise approach to secure that cooperation.

it really is that simple.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5431 on: July 19, 2023, 07:41:28 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 18, 2023, 08:00:54 PM
I disagree with this take.

Cloth masks were more effective than nothing, especially when layered
 While not very effective against incoming airborne viruses; they were effective at blocking outgoing droplets that potentially carried the virus before it became airborne.

An uninfected person in a low risk area would not benefit from a cloth mask.

As a national policy, advising people to wear layered cloth masks until surgical and the n95 masks became widely available was not a lie. It was sound policy.  Even though some would not directly benefit, we all benefited because the spread of the virus was slowed.

There is plenty of revisionist history here, Nichi. They were not telling us that N95 were the masks that were necessary because they didn't want a run on them and leave first responders hanging.  If you want to call it an omission, fine, but it was a knowing omission. Either way, it was not the best moment for the scientists in the health community.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5432 on: July 19, 2023, 07:47:39 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 18, 2023, 08:11:01 PM
In that context, going off half cocked with unproven lab leak and engineered bioweapon theories was probably not a wise approach to secure that cooperation.

More revisionist history. The fuching Chinese Commie Assholes "closed up shop" from the start when they started pointing to the Wet Market (which, as an article Alum linked to noted, was supposed to be closed following the previous SARS outbreak in 2012.)

JFC, Nichi. This did not happen that long ago.

We have had multiple SARS outbreaks attributable to China. Maybe those Commie assholes will finally get the point by the moving manufacturing back to the Good Ol USA and other areas and fucking up their economy (which actually appears to be happening).
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5433 on: July 19, 2023, 07:48:38 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 18, 2023, 10:45:13 PM
it really is that simple.

Except it is completely revisionist history. But continue on, Bike Boy.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5434 on: July 19, 2023, 09:25:00 AM »
Slack messages were released days ago by the GOP, then deleted, and now Taibbi, Shellenberger erc have them to drip out on their substack channels.
Just release them.

On April 16, after release of Proximal Origin ...
“I’m still not fully convinced that no culture was involved,” Andersen wrote to his co-authors on April 16. “We also can't fully rule out engineering (for basic research).”

NIH and NIAID couldn't get data from Daszak or WIV pre-pandemic. Also, sequences were taken off line in Sept 2019.
But a 'pretty please' to the Chinese military about the work in Wuhan was going to get us the data we were hoping for. Lol.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5435 on: July 19, 2023, 09:40:11 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 19, 2023, 07:47:39 AM
Maybe those Commie assholes will finally get the point by the moving manufacturing back to the Good Ol USA and other areas and fucking up their economy (which actually appears to be happening).

By Commie assholes do you mean American Corporations?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5436 on: July 19, 2023, 09:58:16 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 19, 2023, 09:40:11 AM
By Commie assholes do you mean American Corporations?

Because they do business in China, or because s handful own everything here and centrally plan the economy?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5437 on: July 19, 2023, 10:01:16 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 19, 2023, 09:58:16 AM
Because they do business in China, or because s handful own everything here and centrally plan the economy?

Apple for example, manufactures most of their phones in China. That is not by order of the Chinese government.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5438 on: July 19, 2023, 10:08:19 AM »
There just might be middle path between going off half cocked with  unproven lab leak theories and saying pretty please.

Maybe we should try water boarding?

WMD in Iraq?

Republicans don't trust our government to conduct an investigation, why should the Chinese?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5439 on: July 19, 2023, 10:22:09 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 19, 2023, 09:40:11 AM
By Commie assholes do you mean American Corporations?

They, and you fucking whore scumbags in Silicon Valley, are the Commie Enablers.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5440 on: July 19, 2023, 10:23:14 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 19, 2023, 10:08:19 AM
There just might be middle path between going off half cocked with  unproven lab leak theories and saying pretty please.

Maybe we should try water boarding?

WMD in Iraq?

Republicans don't trust our government to conduct an investigation, why should the Chinese?

Yes, this is exactly how it all went down.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5441 on: July 19, 2023, 11:06:07 AM »
Good news PAMan.  Sleepy Joe is taking a swing at those dirty rat commies.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/07/18/politics/biden-admin-suspends-wuhan-lab-funding/index.html
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5442 on: July 19, 2023, 11:09:34 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 19, 2023, 11:06:07 AM
Good news PAMan.  Sleepy Joe is taking a swing at those dirty rat commies.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/07/18/politics/biden-admin-suspends-wuhan-lab-funding/index.html
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But Murph and Nichi claimed the Republicans were the reason that The Commie Bastards were not cooperating!

Good for Sleepy Joe. He's got my vote if he is even in a coma.

And I will even move in time, so I can vote for Sleepy Joe, next door to Custard.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5443 on: July 19, 2023, 11:12:52 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 19, 2023, 09:40:11 AM
By Commie assholes do you mean American Corporations?

Yes, that’s what he means.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5444 on: July 19, 2023, 11:14:17 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 19, 2023, 10:22:09 AM
They, and you fucking whore scumbags in Silicon Valley, are the Commie Enablers.

Our elected politicians are the commie enablers.
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