WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #90 on: May 05, 2020, 08:54:51 AM »

Quote from: Mn on May 05, 2020, 07:29:32 AM

1 + 0 = 4. Good to know they won't be counting someone who tests positive multiple times on the same day. No word yet on whether or not an individual can die multiple times.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/virginia-begin-double-counting-positive-coronavirus-cases
At a press conference on Friday, State Health Commissioner Norman Oliver gave an example of a single patient being tested four times for COVID-19. "What we’re doing now is, we’re counting all four tests," Oliver said. "That’s the difference."

What was unclear from the new policy is whether or not each positive test result would be counted as a new case of coronavirus altogether rather than merely a new test. The Virginia Department of Health's COVID-19 dashboard displays the total number of cases in the state, the total number of tests performed, and the total number of "unique people tested" by state officials.

Reached via email on Monday morning, Joe Macenka, a spokesman for Virginia's COVID-19 Joint Information Command, confirmed that each positive case of the disease would be counted as a new case altogether. "If a person is tested on different days, those tests are counted as separate," he said.

Pressed to clarify the policy, Macenka said that repeat positive cases "are counted as separate cases only if the tests occur on different days. If [a Virginia resident] tested Monday and Tuesday and both are positive, that's two positives."

After being ranked near the bottom of the list of states in the U.S. for their testing capacity, Virginia revealed a new metric on Friday for which they will be measuring testing.

The reason for the large spike in testing reported Friday (14,805) compared to previous days is that the methodology in which testing is reported has changed, officials say.

Before the change, though a COVID-19 patient may get tested multiple times over the course of treatment, the Virginia Health Department was only reporting the sum of the patient’s tests as one single test.

https://www.wavy.com/news/health/coronavirus/virginia-covid-19-may-3-update-nearly-900-confirmed-cases-with-44-deaths/

They will now report one patient being tested multiple times as multiple tests.

I do not.get the general obsession with testing the general public unless you are testing for the antibodies or someone is sick.

If you test me on Monday, and it comes back negative, it does not mean that I will not catch it on Tuesday.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #91 on: May 05, 2020, 09:57:04 AM »

Quote from: ThePAMan on May 05, 2020, 08:54:51 AM

Quote from: Mn on May 05, 2020, 07:29:32 AM
1 + 0 = 4. Good to know they won't be counting someone who tests positive multiple times on the same day. No word yet on whether or not an individual can die multiple times.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/virginia-begin-double-counting-positive-coronavirus-cases
At a press conference on Friday, State Health Commissioner Norman Oliver gave an example of a single patient being tested four times for COVID-19. "What we’re doing now is, we’re counting all four tests," Oliver said. "That’s the difference."

What was unclear from the new policy is whether or not each positive test result would be counted as a new case of coronavirus altogether rather than merely a new test. The Virginia Department of Health's COVID-19 dashboard displays the total number of cases in the state, the total number of tests performed, and the total number of "unique people tested" by state officials.

Reached via email on Monday morning, Joe Macenka, a spokesman for Virginia's COVID-19 Joint Information Command, confirmed that each positive case of the disease would be counted as a new case altogether. "If a person is tested on different days, those tests are counted as separate," he said.

Pressed to clarify the policy, Macenka said that repeat positive cases "are counted as separate cases only if the tests occur on different days. If [a Virginia resident] tested Monday and Tuesday and both are positive, that's two positives."

After being ranked near the bottom of the list of states in the U.S. for their testing capacity, Virginia revealed a new metric on Friday for which they will be measuring testing.

The reason for the large spike in testing reported Friday (14,805) compared to previous days is that the methodology in which testing is reported has changed, officials say.

Before the change, though a COVID-19 patient may get tested multiple times over the course of treatment, the Virginia Health Department was only reporting the sum of the patient’s tests as one single test.

https://www.wavy.com/news/health/coronavirus/virginia-covid-19-may-3-update-nearly-900-confirmed-cases-with-44-deaths/

They will now report one patient being tested multiple times as multiple tests.

I do not.get the general obsession with testing the general public unless you are testing for the antibodies or someone is sick.

If you test me on Monday, and it comes back negative, it does not mean that I will not catch it on Tuesday.

I've never understood the obsession, other than to provide something to talk about. Antibodies and diagnosis, fine. Well, you seem to be negative right now but come back in a few hours and we can check to see if your titers are up has never made sense to me. But of course, you may be asymptomatic with low titers but we don't know if you're contagious or not. So come back tomorrow.

I heard, and am not going to research, that Fla was not counting out of state deaths until recently. I can only assume Fla wanted the out of staters to be attributed to their home state. Parameters get changed, and Fla sees a spike in numbers.
Follow the science, but let the politicians decide what numbers go into the science. Makes sense, lol.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #92 on: May 05, 2020, 11:14:42 AM »

Quote from: ThePAMan on May 05, 2020, 08:54:51 AM

I do not.get

Fixed.

I kinda like it that America's awesomeness has given every single one of its idiots enough confidence to Brain their way through a new, unique and scientifically unstudied human pathogen.

Y'all suh smort.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #93 on: May 05, 2020, 11:38:04 AM »

Quote from: Mn on May 05, 2020, 07:29:32 AM

1 + 0 = 4. Good to know they won't be counting someone who tests positive multiple times on the same day. No word yet on whether or not an individual can die multiple times.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/virginia-begin-double-counting-positive-coronavirus-cases
At a press conference on Friday, State Health Commissioner Norman Oliver gave an example of a single patient being tested four times for COVID-19. "What we’re doing now is, we’re counting all four tests," Oliver said. "That’s the difference."

What was unclear from the new policy is whether or not each positive test result would be counted as a new case of coronavirus altogether rather than merely a new test. The Virginia Department of Health's COVID-19 dashboard displays the total number of cases in the state, the total number of tests performed, and the total number of "unique people tested" by state officials.

Reached via email on Monday morning, Joe Macenka, a spokesman for Virginia's COVID-19 Joint Information Command, confirmed that each positive case of the disease would be counted as a new case altogether. "If a person is tested on different days, those tests are counted as separate," he said.

Pressed to clarify the policy, Macenka said that repeat positive cases "are counted as separate cases only if the tests occur on different days. If [a Virginia resident] tested Monday and Tuesday and both are positive, that's two positives."

After being ranked near the bottom of the list of states in the U.S. for their testing capacity, Virginia revealed a new metric on Friday for which they will be measuring testing.

The reason for the large spike in testing reported Friday (14,805) compared to previous days is that the methodology in which testing is reported has changed, officials say.

Before the change, though a COVID-19 patient may get tested multiple times over the course of treatment, the Virginia Health Department was only reporting the sum of the patient’s tests as one single test.

https://www.wavy.com/news/health/coronavirus/virginia-covid-19-may-3-update-nearly-900-confirmed-cases-with-44-deaths/

They will now report one patient being tested multiple times as multiple tests.

Why would you test someone who tested positive again?

If anything made sense, what might happen with someone tested multiple times is that they tested *negative* but then had to be tested again, for example Pence and Trump have probably been tested many times. Once you're positive, you're positive.

That would mean multiple counting would skew the numbers by showing a lower infection *rate* but do nothing to the total cases

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murphstahoe

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #94 on: May 05, 2020, 11:41:39 AM »

Quote from: ThePAMan on May 05, 2020, 08:54:51 AM

I do not.get the general obsession with testing the general public unless you are testing for the antibodies or someone is sick.

If you test me on Monday, and it comes back negative, it does not mean that I will not catch it on Tuesday.

If we test you on Monday, and it comes back positive, we know that you need to be quarantined and not pass the virus on without symptoms. We are getting meat packing plants with hundreds of asymptomatic carriers, all passing it to each other then bringing it back to various counties to transmit to others, many of whom will not be asymptomatic.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #95 on: May 05, 2020, 01:16:45 PM »

Quote from: murphstahoe on May 05, 2020, 11:38:04 AM

Quote from: Mn on May 05, 2020, 07:29:32 AM
1 + 0 = 4. Good to know they won't be counting someone who tests positive multiple times on the same day. No word yet on whether or not an individual can die multiple times.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/virginia-begin-double-counting-positive-coronavirus-cases
At a press conference on Friday, State Health Commissioner Norman Oliver gave an example of a single patient being tested four times for COVID-19. "What we’re doing now is, we’re counting all four tests," Oliver said. "That’s the difference."

What was unclear from the new policy is whether or not each positive test result would be counted as a new case of coronavirus altogether rather than merely a new test. The Virginia Department of Health's COVID-19 dashboard displays the total number of cases in the state, the total number of tests performed, and the total number of "unique people tested" by state officials.

Reached via email on Monday morning, Joe Macenka, a spokesman for Virginia's COVID-19 Joint Information Command, confirmed that each positive case of the disease would be counted as a new case altogether. "If a person is tested on different days, those tests are counted as separate," he said.

Pressed to clarify the policy, Macenka said that repeat positive cases "are counted as separate cases only if the tests occur on different days. If [a Virginia resident] tested Monday and Tuesday and both are positive, that's two positives."

After being ranked near the bottom of the list of states in the U.S. for their testing capacity, Virginia revealed a new metric on Friday for which they will be measuring testing.

The reason for the large spike in testing reported Friday (14,805) compared to previous days is that the methodology in which testing is reported has changed, officials say.

Before the change, though a COVID-19 patient may get tested multiple times over the course of treatment, the Virginia Health Department was only reporting the sum of the patient’s tests as one single test.

https://www.wavy.com/news/health/coronavirus/virginia-covid-19-may-3-update-nearly-900-confirmed-cases-with-44-deaths/

They will now report one patient being tested multiple times as multiple tests.

Why would you test someone who tested positive again?

If anything made sense, what might happen with someone tested multiple times is that they tested *negative* but then had to be tested again, for example Pence and Trump have probably been tested many times. Once you're positive, you're positive.

That would mean multiple counting would skew the numbers by showing a lower infection *rate* but do nothing to the total cases

There are false positives and false negatives. A very good friend, an RN, just tested negative. She and her husband, also a health professional, are convinced she was positive for the virus.
If a negative test is required to return to work, then any results before getting to that point should be viewed as 1 positive and 0 negative, imo.
Other than that, you would have to ask Ralph if he's trying to cook the books.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #96 on: May 05, 2020, 01:24:13 PM »

Quote from: murphstahoe on May 05, 2020, 11:41:39 AM

Quote from: ThePAMan on May 05, 2020, 08:54:51 AM

I do not.get the general obsession with testing the general public unless you are testing for the antibodies or someone is sick.

If you test me on Monday, and it comes back negative, it does not mean that I will not catch it on Tuesday.

If we test you on Monday, and it comes back positive, we know that you need to be quarantined and not pass the virus on without symptoms. We are getting meat packing plants with hundreds of asymptomatic carriers, all passing it to each other then bringing it back to various counties to transmit to others, many of whom will not be asymptomatic.

Likewise, if we test you on Monday and it comes back negative because titers are still too low to show a positive test; then you can go to work on Tues. In fact, you can go to work continually until you're symptomatic or test positive.
Testing everybody every day is not feasible.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #97 on: May 05, 2020, 01:51:36 PM »

Quote from: fucking on May 05, 2020, 11:14:42 AM

Quote from: ThePAMan on May 05, 2020, 08:54:51 AM

I do not.get

Fixed.

I kinda like it that America's awesomeness has given every single one of its idiots enough confidence to Brain their way through a new, unique and scientifically unstudied human pathogen.

Y'all suh smort.

The whole quote puts it into context. What is the point of testing everyone in the general public on a daily basis, especially if you are practicing social distancing, etc. at this point? First responders, the meat packers, those who cannot or will not follow the guidelines, etc. I get.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #98 on: May 05, 2020, 03:45:23 PM »

Quote from: Mn on May 05, 2020, 01:24:13 PM

Quote from: murphstahoe on May 05, 2020, 11:41:39 AM
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 05, 2020, 08:54:51 AM

I do not.get the general obsession with testing the general public unless you are testing for the antibodies or someone is sick.

If you test me on Monday, and it comes back negative, it does not mean that I will not catch it on Tuesday.

If we test you on Monday, and it comes back positive, we know that you need to be quarantined and not pass the virus on without symptoms. We are getting meat packing plants with hundreds of asymptomatic carriers, all passing it to each other then bringing it back to various counties to transmit to others, many of whom will not be asymptomatic.
Likewise, if we test you on Monday and it comes back negative because titers are still too low to show a positive test; then you can go to work on Tues. In fact, you can go to work continually until you're symptomatic or test positive.
Testing everybody every day is not feasible.

In theory, if you test everyone, and you isolate the people who are positive (even if asymptomatic), then everyone who doesn't have it will stay negative because we've isolated the virus.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #99 on: May 05, 2020, 03:47:09 PM »

Quote from: ThePAMan on May 05, 2020, 01:51:36 PM

The whole quote puts it into context. What is the point of testing everyone in the general public on a daily basis, especially if you are practicing social distancing, etc. at this point? First responders, the meat packers, those who cannot or will not follow the guidelines, etc. I get.

That's not the theory. If you can test everyone who we think could be of any issue, then isolate and do contact tracing to inform new tests, then the virus can be squashed.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #100 on: May 06, 2020, 07:11:41 AM »

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #101 on: May 06, 2020, 08:35:56 AM »

Quote from: murphstahoe on May 05, 2020, 03:47:09 PM

Quote from: ThePAMan on May 05, 2020, 01:51:36 PM

The whole quote puts it into context. What is the point of testing everyone in the general public on a daily basis, especially if you are practicing social distancing, etc. at this point? First responders, the meat packers, those who cannot or will not follow the guidelines, etc. I get.

That's not the theory. If you can test everyone who we think could be of any issue, then isolate and do contact tracing to inform new tests, then the virus can be squashed.

That is fine for the people who test positive. You then need to keep retesting them on a daily basis to make sure they have not caught it after the last test, no?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #102 on: May 06, 2020, 09:02:38 AM »

RIP Illinois economy

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #103 on: May 06, 2020, 09:29:57 AM »

Quote from: ThePAMan on May 06, 2020, 08:35:56 AM

Quote from: murphstahoe on May 05, 2020, 03:47:09 PM
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 05, 2020, 01:51:36 PM

The whole quote puts it into context. What is the point of testing everyone in the general public on a daily basis, especially if you are practicing social distancing, etc. at this point? First responders, the meat packers, those who cannot or will not follow the guidelines, etc. I get.

That's not the theory. If you can test everyone who we think could be of any issue, then isolate and do contact tracing to inform new tests, then the virus can be squashed.

That is fine for the people who test positive. You then need to keep retesting them on a daily basis to make sure they have not caught it after the last test, no?

Did you mean to say that is fine for the people who test negative ?
Also, asymptomatic people are more likely to test false negative and pre-symptomatic people may not have a sufficient titer to show a positive test result for several days.
Negative results would probably require retesting for several days.
The Abbott tests are said to be about 85% accurate, while some other testing means may be 98% accurate. Throwing a few hundred million tests at the labs over a period of days might be a few too many.
I prefer the current way. Throw taxpaying people going to work in jail for violation of stay at home mandates to be able to feed their kids and fine them when they don't have the money to pay rent, mortgage, or food bills. Meanwhile, release criminals so the new criminals can practice social distancing during confinement.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

« Reply #104 on: May 06, 2020, 09:30:47 AM »

Quote from: ILLove1997 on May 06, 2020, 09:02:38 AM

RIP Illinois economy

How did you rack up 3 negative karmas ?

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