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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4290 on: January 16, 2022, 01:19:06 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4291 on: January 16, 2022, 04:52:04 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on January 15, 2022, 08:28:50 PM
Seeking asylum at the border is 100% legal.

There is a lot to keep up.with. Didn't Trump use regulatory authority to change that a couple times? It was zero tolerance; then apply in Mexico? Biden went to back to the law; then reverted to apply in Mexico? Something like that.

Republicans oppose using regulations or executive orders to get around the laws passed by Congress, except when they don't. For example, funding the border fence.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4292 on: January 16, 2022, 08:27:37 PM »
Here we go…

Approximately 75% of all deaths (roughly 834,954 total) are from the 65 years of age or older group.

So only 213,337 deaths under 65. And in 49% of all the cases, influenza and pneumonia was a contributing factor along with some others. So we basically wiped out the annual flu deaths and other comorbidities for the last 2 years and listed them as COVID. From healthcare professionals, they were told to report a person WITH COVID at the time of death AS COVID. So who really knows a truthful number of how many actually were or other causes. That aside…

If you’re under 65 years of age in the U.S., you have a 0.064% chance of dying. Think about that a second. Stats straight from the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm

U.S. population- 332,403,650
COVID deaths under 65 yrs old- 213,337

And I’m sure some of those 213,337 reported had other factors in play making that less than 1% even smaller. But no need as it’s already a VERY small chance of dying.

I don’t state those numbers to minimize the actual deaths and families that are grieving. Any death is one too many, but people are relatively safe. This fear mongering by the media, schools, and our President is way exaggerated. They make it sound like a death sentence to people when it’s anything but in reality.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4293 on: January 16, 2022, 08:48:43 PM »
167,000 is huge amount of deaths due to the flu and pneumonia.  Clearly, pneumonia was a complication of covid infection in a lot cases.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/pneumonia.htm
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4294 on: January 16, 2022, 08:53:20 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 16, 2022, 08:48:43 PM
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

You might be over 65, idk. If not, you have a 0.064% chance of dying. I’ll have to check your risk from lightning strikes.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4295 on: January 16, 2022, 08:56:54 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on January 16, 2022, 08:53:20 PM
You might be over 65, idk. If not, you have a 0.064% chance of dying. I’ll have to check your risk from lightning strikes.

167,000 is huge amount of deaths due to the flu and pneumonia.  Clearly, pneumonia was a complication of covid infection in a lot of cases.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/flu.htm
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4296 on: January 16, 2022, 09:13:45 PM »
I have received my flu vaccination.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4297 on: January 16, 2022, 09:36:28 PM »
Excess deaths, assuming JJ trusts that data, are still reported as being very high. Many experts think Covid deaths are actually being underreported. And there are things like “long Covid” to think about. And long Covid is an actual thing.

It’s not 100% clear to me how deaths are attributed. I’m sure it varies to some extent by locale and policy. I don’t think they were specifically told to report all deaths with Covid to be due to Covid, and I imagine there have been scads of situations where it was wasn’t apparent to medical professionals which of the variety of underlying health issues did a person in.

No doubt plenty have died that would have lived considerably longer sans Covid, and it simply finished off plenty who were headed that way relatively soon.

What will be of some interest to me is if we actually see below average annual deaths for a period of time once most everyone in the risk group has either survived or been vaccinated against Covid.

Deaths from heart disease, diabetes, etc actually went up during the pandemic from what some experts blame on a whole host of pandemic and lockdown related side effects. Cancer went down, because some experts think Covid got a bunch of them due to being immuno-compromised. 
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4298 on: January 17, 2022, 12:40:02 AM »
Which is why excess deaths probably ends up being the most telling stat, Custard.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4299 on: January 17, 2022, 08:00:54 AM »
This might be what we should be concerned about…

https://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/features/is-fat-the-new-normal

Society glamorizing being fat as fashionable. So irresponsible. I’m sure obesity was a HUGE (no pun intended… no seriously lol) underlying cause of those deaths from COVID.



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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4300 on: January 17, 2022, 08:18:01 AM »
https://twitter.com/blackintheempir/status/1482727492918067200?s=21

Comments have a good discussion and many different POV
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4301 on: January 17, 2022, 08:38:28 AM »
Democrats dumbed down our education system with politically correct self esteem  speech codes. Now Republicans are taking advantage of widespread stupidity.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4302 on: January 17, 2022, 09:09:01 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 17, 2022, 08:38:28 AM
Democrats dumbed down our education system with politically correct self esteem  speech codes. Now Republicans are taking advantage of widespread stupidity.

So you’re saying Democrats are the root cause of the problem?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4303 on: January 17, 2022, 10:02:51 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 17, 2022, 08:38:28 AM
Democrats dumbed down our education system with politically correct self esteem  speech codes. Now Republicans are taking advantage of widespread stupidity.

Examples?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4304 on: January 17, 2022, 11:28:11 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on January 17, 2022, 08:00:54 AM
This might be what we should be concerned about…

https://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/features/is-fat-the-new-normal

Society glamorizing being fat as fashionable. So irresponsible. I’m sure obesity was a HUGE (no pun intended… no seriously lol) underlying cause of those deaths from COVID.


Fat shaming, BMI and alienation: COVID-19 brought new stigma to large-sized people
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-05-08/analyzing-covid-vaccine-inequity-through-obesity-lens

Misconceptions about obesity have led to a spike in weight shaming during COVID-19, experts say
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/misconceptions-about-obesity-have-led-to-a-spike-in-weight-shaming-during-covid-19-experts-say-1.5347085

Fat-shamers have felt enabled by Covid, and it's hard to fight back
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/07/fat-shamers-have-felt-enabled-by-covid-and-its-hard-to-fight-back

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