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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #585 on: August 02, 2020, 08:57:54 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on August 02, 2020, 06:51:40 PM
Regardless of exactly where or when; it now appears children can catch and spread covid-19. They are not, as our dear leader has said, almost immune.

We have been really lucky this virus for the most part doesn’t hurt our children.  I think we’ve known for a long time children can contract and spread the virus. We also know they are largely unaffected by it.

I don’t think we’ve seen anything quite to this level of mass infection of children, but the camp experience as described was essentially a perfect medium for transmission.

If one refers to the accepted definition of immune one could conclude that Trump’s statement was either true, or just partially true.



Had Trump said they are basically incapable of contracting and spreading the virus, I’d have a bigger gripe.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #586 on: August 02, 2020, 09:30:42 PM »
Quote from: Custard on August 02, 2020, 08:57:54 PM

If one refers to the accepted definition of immune one could conclude that Trump’s statement was either true, or just partially true.

Had Trump said they are basically incapable of contracting and spreading the virus, I’d have a bigger gripe.

Which definition are you using? What did Trump mean?  What did he mean when he said:

“A lot of people are saying they don’t transmit, and we’re looking at that, They don’t catch it easily; they don’t bring it home easily. And if they do catch it, they get better fast. We’re looking at that fact ..." 
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #587 on: August 02, 2020, 09:54:15 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on August 02, 2020, 07:05:57 PM
Quote from: ThePAMan on August 01, 2020, 01:45:21 PM
Quote from: Custard on August 01, 2020, 08:34:39 AM
Come on man, you’re supposed to be panicking!

I think it is more that we can do things provided people act responsibly.

We have trouble getting adults to act responsibly. How do we expect school age children to wear masks and practice social distancing?

Have to learn sometime.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #588 on: August 02, 2020, 11:59:40 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on August 01, 2020, 01:42:58 AM
Quote from: illiniray on July 31, 2020, 10:53:11 PM
Uh-oh

https://www.newsweek.com/majority-overnight-campers-who-contracted-covid-between-6-10-years-old-1522107

Counter point: there was a youth hockey tourney,  probably ages 8 to 18, held in the Chicago area 2 weeks ago.  Kids from.CA, MI, WI, Eastern and Southern states were here.

Parents required  to wear masks in the rinks. Limits on those who could attend the games.

Hear of 0 players who tested positive from that tourney.

4 players of 20 from my kid's team got sick after the tourney. 3 got.COViD tests because parents demanded it even though doctors said they did not have COVID, but a bad cold was going around. They all tested negative.

OK - so how are you going to make that work for full on in person school?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #589 on: August 03, 2020, 12:04:55 AM »
Quote from: Custard on August 02, 2020, 08:57:54 PM
Quote from: illiniray on August 02, 2020, 06:51:40 PM
Regardless of exactly where or when; it now appears children can catch and spread covid-19. They are not, as our dear leader has said, almost immune.

We have been really lucky this virus for the most part doesn’t hurt our children.  I think we’ve known for a long time children can contract and spread the virus. We also know they are largely unaffected by it.

I don’t think we’ve seen anything quite to this level of mass infection of children, but the camp experience as described was essentially a perfect medium for transmission.



The theory that kids don't catch it/spread it was based on the fact that not a lot of kids had it.

But the first big thing we did after COVID began to spread was close the schools. Stores were still open, being staffed by and used by adults, while kids mostly stayed home. They weren't catching it or spreading it not because they can't - it's because they weren't being exposed.

That should be an object lesson in how to stop the virus.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #590 on: August 03, 2020, 05:21:06 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on August 02, 2020, 11:59:40 PM
Quote from: ThePAMan on August 01, 2020, 01:42:58 AM
Quote from: illiniray on July 31, 2020, 10:53:11 PM
Uh-oh

https://www.newsweek.com/majority-overnight-campers-who-contracted-covid-between-6-10-years-old-1522107

Counter point: there was a youth hockey tourney,  probably ages 8 to 18, held in the Chicago area 2 weeks ago.  Kids from.CA, MI, WI, Eastern and Southern states were here.

Parents required  to wear masks in the rinks. Limits on those who could attend the games.

Hear of 0 players who tested positive from that tourney.

4 players of 20 from my kid's team got sick after the tourney. 3 got.COViD tests because parents demanded it even though doctors said they did not have COVID, but a bad cold was going around. They all tested negative.

OK - so how are you going to make that work for full on in person school?

Wear a mask at school, for starters.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #591 on: August 03, 2020, 09:31:33 AM »
We aren’t going to stop the virus. It’s not going away until there’s a vaccine.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #592 on: August 03, 2020, 10:09:31 AM »
this is totally normal and OK

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #593 on: August 03, 2020, 12:41:22 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on August 03, 2020, 10:09:31 AM
this is totally normal and OK



That is actually a great idea.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #594 on: August 05, 2020, 08:48:46 AM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #595 on: August 05, 2020, 11:43:45 AM »
I'm pretty sure ZERO people have said "Trump has managed this situation fairly well."

Nobody would dare be so halting in their white knighting of Fearless Leader.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #596 on: August 05, 2020, 12:45:40 PM »
Quote from: fucking on August 05, 2020, 11:43:45 AM
I'm pretty sure ZERO people have said "Trump has managed this situation fairly well."

Nobody would dare be so halting in their white knighting of Fearless Leader.

"fairly well" could be a pretty low bar these days
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #597 on: August 05, 2020, 01:38:54 PM »
Quote from: Custard on August 02, 2020, 08:57:54 PM
Quote from: illiniray on August 02, 2020, 06:51:40 PM
Regardless of exactly where or when; it now appears children can catch and spread covid-19. They are not, as our dear leader has said, almost immune.

We have been really lucky this virus for the most part doesn’t hurt our children.  I think we’ve known for a long time children can contract and spread the virus. We also know they are largely unaffected by it.

I don’t think we’ve seen anything quite to this level of mass infection of children, but the camp experience as described was essentially a perfect medium for transmission.

If one refers to the accepted definition of immune one could conclude that Trump’s statement was either true, or just partially true.



Had Trump said they are basically incapable of contracting and spreading the virus, I’d have a bigger gripe.
I wonder if Nancy Pelosi had said it, would you have so little a gripe?

I mean, I guess maybe you should, because if someone with half a brain said it, I’d think they were being intentionally misleading.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #598 on: August 05, 2020, 03:46:47 PM »
The AXIOS interview was truly amazing stuff.

Trump went to great length to say that we only have a bunch of cases because we test so much, and this makes us look bad. Leaving aside the fact that if you are infected, you are infected whether or not you are tested - let's just say he means "confirmed cases". His assertion is that our confirmed cases are higher as a portion of population than other countries just because we test a lot.

He then goes on to say we are doing quite well, because our deaths per case is lower than other countries. Leaving aside this is a dubious claim - he's done a neat jui-jitsu here.

Our deaths per confirmed case is lower because we have more confirmed cases because we test more. So if we tested less - as he would appear to wish - our cases would go down, but the deaths per case would rise. Or you can say that other countries like Russia or Brazil have more "deaths per cases" than we do because they don't have as accurate count of the cases.

The only meaningful metric, as Swan tried so hard to point out was "deaths per population" - which Trump then says "You can't do that"

reminded me of Tufnel saying "But these go to eleven"
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #599 on: August 05, 2020, 06:36:52 PM »
OMG. Totally.

Trump is Nigel.
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