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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2250 on: June 04, 2021, 12:41:43 PM »
He's a sympathetic character, and writes compellingly.

Glossing over the health outcomes for teachers (by linking a PDF written in Swedish) makes his contributions as useful as any good protest song.

Or, “Nothing will ever convince me that lockdowns may have been a mistake”
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2251 on: June 04, 2021, 01:36:17 PM »
https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/06/04/why-i-spoke-out-against-lockdowns/#.YLnJA4NJY6s.twitter

Who Are the Scientists Behind the Great Barrington Declaration?
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89204

Herd immunity for COVID-19
https://www.thelancet.com/article/S2213-2600(20)30555-5/fulltext

Anti-lockdown advocate appears on radio show that has featured Holocaust deniers
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/19/co-author-anti-lockdowns-letter-appeared-far-right-radio-show-martin-kulldorff-great-barrington-declaration-richie-allen-show

Lockdowns were critical in the early phases of the pandemic, along with wearing masks, social distancing, abundant testing and contact tracing.  Lots and lots of more people would have died if the virus had run free with very few mitigation strategies.  Would have overwhelmed our health care system and put more frontline workers at risk.  We would have seen many more long-haulers too.   

Kulldorff should be more careful with the company he keeps. 

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2252 on: June 04, 2021, 01:57:05 PM »
To leftist propaganda bots it may concern:

They weren’t advocating letting the virus run free by not having any mitigation protocols.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2253 on: June 04, 2021, 01:58:53 PM »
On the flip side, it could have been a lot easier if shitheads like Q97 and the Orange Golfer hadn't immediately protested & resisted any and all precautions.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2254 on: June 04, 2021, 02:19:36 PM »
To leftist propaganda bots it may concern:

They weren’t advocating letting the virus run free by not having any mitigation protocols.

I said "with few mitigation measures."  His proposal was pie in the sky.  Fortunately it didn't gain too much traction here.       

The Faulty Science of "Herd Immunity"
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2020/10/29/great-barrington/

"Kulldorff’s claims identify clear inequalities in the pandemic’s impact, but his solution depends on one central assumption: that it is possible to separate healthy, young people from the elderly and the immunocompromised. But many households include both high- and low-risk populations, family members and loved ones who cannot be feasibly quarantined from each other. This is especially true in the United States, where over 60 percent of Americans have comorbidities which put them at high risk for severe illness."

"He did not elaborate on how the government might segregate these populations, aside from taking better care of those in nursing homes."

"The Great Barrington model also assumes that the virus will not harm young people. However, according to Goldman, while young people are unlikely to die from the virus, they can still suffer from long-term health complications. “We are seeing people who have been infected by the coronavirus [who] haven’t had particularly severe acute illness, but [have] wound up with chronic health problems after the fact, cardiovascular problems in particular,” she says."

"The Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington estimates that loosening existing public health restrictions could result in, at minimum, an additional 750,000 American deaths."

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2256 on: June 04, 2021, 02:37:06 PM »
But many households include both high- and low-risk populations, family members and loved ones who cannot be feasibly quarantined from each other.

Especially the working class households he claims to be so concerned about.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2257 on: June 04, 2021, 02:39:13 PM »
To leftist propaganda bots it may concern:

I truly enjoy that someone who actually backs up his posts with data, etc., is deemed a "propaganda bot" around here.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2258 on: June 04, 2021, 02:59:31 PM »
Especially the working class households he claims to be so concerned about.

There's a lot of inequality around here, for example hodlers of Nvidia stock vs Old 97

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2259 on: June 04, 2021, 03:12:26 PM »
I saw an online argument about the latest video card. Seems like it's hard to buy one.

Another reason why I prefer to get stuff from dumpsters.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2260 on: June 04, 2021, 03:18:16 PM »
I truly enjoy that someone who actually backs up his posts with data, etc., is deemed a "propaganda bot" around here.

I have to credit 97 for creating that gem
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2261 on: June 04, 2021, 03:22:04 PM »
I'm pretty excited about this Delta variant. It could be the one to wipe out the MAGAts.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2262 on: June 04, 2021, 03:54:41 PM »
A conversation from before the pandemic between Peter Daszak and a virologist regarding gain of function research.
Before people weren't supposed to say any of these things.

 

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4104828

In a video that was originally taken on Dec. 9, 2019, three weeks before the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission announced an outbreak of a new form of pneumonia, virologist Vincent Racaniello interviewed British zoologist and president of EcoHealth Alliance Peter Daszak about his work at the nonprofit to protect the world from the emergence of new diseases and predict pandemics. Since 2014, Daszak's organization has received millions of dollars of funding from the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH), which it has funneled to the WIV to carry out research on bat coronaviruses.

In the first phase of research, which took place from 2014 to 2019, Daszak coordinated with Shi Zhengli, (石正麗), also known as "Bat Woman," at the WIV on investigating and cataloging bat coronaviruses across China. EcoHealth Alliance received US$3.7 million in funding from the NIH for this research and 10 percent was channeled to the WIV, reported NPR.

The second, more dangerous phase, which started in 2019, involved gain-of-function (GoF) research on coronaviruses and chimeras in humanized mice from the lab of Ralph S. Baric of the University of North Carolina. Funding for the program was withdrawn by the NIH under the Trump administration on April 27 amid the pandemic.

At the 28:10 mark of the podcast interview, Daszak states that researchers found that SARS likely originated from bats and then set out to find more SARS-related coronaviruses, eventually finding over 100. He observed that some coronaviruses can "get into human cells in the lab," and others can cause SARS disease in "humanized mouse models."

He ominously warned that such coronaviruses are "untreatable with therapeutic monoclonals [antibodies] and you can’t vaccinate against them with a vaccine." Ironically, he claims that his team's goal was trying to find the next "spillover event" that could cause the next pandemic, mere weeks before cases of COVID-19 were beginning to be reported in Wuhan.
When Racaniello asks what can be done to deal with coronavirus given that there is no vaccine or therapeutic for them, Daszak at the 29:54 mark appears to reveal that the goal of the GoF experiments was to develop a pan-coronavirus vaccine for many different types of coronaviruses.

Based on his response, it is evident that just before the start of the pandemic, the WIV was modifying coronaviruses in the lab. "You can manipulate them in the lab pretty easily." What he then mentioned has become the telltale trait of SARS-CoV-2, its spike protein: "Spike protein drives a lot of what happens with the coronavirus, zoonotic risk."

Daszak mentions the WIV's collaboration with Baric: "and we work with Ralph Baric at UNC [University of North Carolina] to do this." As has been suggested by proponents that SARS-CoV-2 is a chimera made in a lab, he speaks of inserting the spike protein "into a backbone of another virus" and then doing "some work in the lab."

Providing evidence of the creation of chimeras for the sake of a vaccine, he states "Now, the logical progression for vaccines is, if you are going to develop a vaccine for SARS, people are going to use pandemic SARS, but let’s try to insert these other related diseases and get a better vaccine.”


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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2263 on: June 04, 2021, 04:34:19 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2264 on: June 04, 2021, 04:54:07 PM »
This is rather simplistic, and based off 2019 population figures, but .....
Sweden appears to have a death rate of 142/100,000.
Sweden has had close to no lockdown since the beginning.
California appears to have a death rate of 160/100,000.
But the population has declined, so the rate should be a little higher.
Michigan appears to be at 205/100,000. Not much different than Italy, which was hit early and hard.
Minnesota appears to be at 134/100,000.
The world was treated to a pandemic with no road map on how to handle it. Maybe that should be a consideration before more gain of function research continues.