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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5400 on: July 17, 2023, 10:01:39 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 17, 2023, 09:32:16 PM
Nothing personal against our good friend from the north. I know there are differences of opinion about Gain of Function. I don't care to exert the effort necessary to gain even a rudimentary understanding. I have to look up the names involved in the disputes.

It does sound like Republicans trying to smear good scientists for political purposes.

Much like the Russia Hoax and the rigged election.

Reminds me of John from Ohio droning about Richard Melon Scaife and MRWC 30 years ago.

Well, with your admitted lack of knowledge about the GoF issues, are you sure they don't deserve the smearing?

I am not on the "Fauci et al. were all going full CYA" train like Mn, but there are a lot of unanswered questions here. Quincy, M.E..would not let this go, that's for sure.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5401 on: July 17, 2023, 11:21:40 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 17, 2023, 09:32:16 PM
Nothing personal against our good friend from the north. I know there are differences of opinion about Gain of Function. I don't care to exert the effort necessary to gain even a rudimentary understanding. I have to look up the names involved in the disputes.

It does sound like Republicans trying to smear good scientists for political purposes.

Much like the Russia Hoax and the rigged election.

Reminds me of John from Ohio droning about Richard Melon Scaife and MRWC 30 years ago.

Is this an unintentional Big10Man impersonation?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5402 on: July 17, 2023, 11:23:50 PM »
I originally thought the en masse pushback the left has against lab leak theory was perplexing, but it didn’t take me long to figure it out.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5403 on: July 18, 2023, 12:34:25 AM »
I have to smile every time someone mentions the left. I guess in this case, the left is a pejorative for those who follow the science?

Mainstream science rejected the lab leak theory because they followed the evidence.

In general, the left in the USA  are right center capitalists with a social conscience. The right are borderline fascists, kleptocrats, and delusional housecats.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5404 on: July 18, 2023, 12:36:42 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 18, 2023, 12:34:25 AM
I have to smile every time someone mentions the left. I guess in this case, the left is a pejorative for those who follow the science?

Mainstream science rejected the lab leak theory because they followed the evidence.

In general, the left in the USA  are right center capitalists with a social conscience. The right are borderline fascists, kleptocrats, and delusional housecats.

Wow. It was everything I’d hoped it would be.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5405 on: July 18, 2023, 12:45:31 AM »
Quote from: Custard on July 18, 2023, 12:36:42 AM
Wow. It was everything I’d hoped it would be.

Are you up to date on ivermectin shots?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5406 on: July 18, 2023, 07:56:31 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 18, 2023, 12:34:25 AM
I have to smile every time someone mentions the left. I guess in this case, the left is a pejorative for those who follow the science?

Mainstream science rejected the lab leak theory because they followed the evidence.

An issue appears to be that evidence was and remains missing. Or locked in a vault in Commie Chinese hands.

Also, aren't these the same people who told us to wear gators and other face coverings that they knew would be ineffective because they wanted to save the good stuff for first responders? Granted, that is not the worst reason for lying, which is what it was, but the fact is they were lying to the public. Which always leads to the subsequent question were/are you also lying about X? They opened Pandora's Box, now they have to deal with it.

Obviously we do not have the answer whether this is man-made or not, and probably never will. But discounting a theory, just because a bunch of wack jobs also promote it, is not "following the science" is it?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5407 on: July 18, 2023, 08:16:27 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 18, 2023, 12:45:31 AM
Are you up to date on ivermectin shots?
I am, and eagerly anticipating the combination ivermectin/hydroxychloroquine shot.

When you say "followed the science" I assume you are referring to the Proximal Origin authors and those involved in the disciussions.

Where in the science does ''given the shit show that would happen if anyone serious accused the Chinese of even accidental release, my feeling is we should say that given there is no evidence of a specifically engineered virus, we can not possibly distinguish between natural evolution and escape so we are content with ascribing it to natural process" fit in ?

Or, "it's extremely important that we don't have these sequences as part of our PREDICT release to Genbank at this point. "....will bring very unwelcome attention to ... USAID " ?

Or, a lableak hypothesis would do "great potential harm to science international harmony" ?

Or, "the group's mandate should be what are the evolutionary origins of 2019-nCoV ....in this way there is no assumption of foul play or guilt ..." ?

The next pandemic may not be so kind to the world's population.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5408 on: July 18, 2023, 08:41:35 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 18, 2023, 07:56:31 AM
An issue appears to be that evidence was and remains missing. Or locked in a vault in Commie Chinese hands.

Exactly.
Also that there were concerns in Oct and Nov 2019 of issues regarding WIV and an undiagnosed illness in Wuhan.

And why would NIAID issue a grant with sub-awards going to WIV that included language that the Commie Chinese have final approval over what data would be posted to GenBank, and not monitor the grant requirements ?

I haven't seen mention of this, but Proximal Origin continually refers to the available data and how it may be impacted by in vitro work.
WIV had humanized mice. I would assume that work with humanized mice would be in vivo.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5409 on: July 18, 2023, 09:36:36 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on July 17, 2023, 08:17:28 PM
Lol

I mean sure, I already apologized for being so dismissive of 1% even though I believe it's far too high.

Don't let that change your behavior though, just keep being the biggest asshole you can possibly be about it.  No worries - I'll keep pointing out that you were the fucking moron who really thought Self would come back if we texted him.

It really, really makes it no fun to come here when you lie about the shit I say, accept apologies and then later pretend like they never happened, make up strawmen to beat up, etc.  It's a terrible, terrible way to talk about anything and it honestly seems like a compulsion to you.  Like you're literally incapable of arguing against what I actually said.  You cannot do it.

Reggie Theus is the only coach for Illinois, Bill Self would come back if we asked, you're a drunk shitty dad, etc.  If you want, I'm happy to run with all the bullshit narratives others have made up about you like you do with me.  I suspect you wouldn't find that fun if I started acting like you and PAMan about that shit though.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5410 on: July 18, 2023, 09:57:06 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 18, 2023, 12:34:25 AM

Mainstream science rejected the lab leak theory because they followed the evidence.


"Mainstream science" is about as honest these days as the mainstream media
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5411 on: July 18, 2023, 10:02:58 AM »
Don’t trust the scientists, trust the conservative politicians who have lied the last few hundred times they said some shit like this.

This time they’re telling the truth, I’m sure of it!
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5412 on: July 18, 2023, 10:12:55 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 18, 2023, 10:02:58 AM
Don’t trust the scientists, trust the conservative politicians who have lied the last few hundred times they said some shit like this.

This time they’re telling the truth, I’m sure of it!

that's not what I said but carry on with your strawmen
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5413 on: July 18, 2023, 10:14:28 AM »
You may not have said it outright but it’s absolutely what you’re doing in this thread - trusting conservative politicians who have lied over and over to be telling you the truth in lieu of the actual scientists.

It’s obviously on brand
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5414 on: July 18, 2023, 10:24:33 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on July 18, 2023, 10:14:28 AM
You may not have said it outright but it’s absolutely what you’re doing in this thread - trusting conservative politicians who have lied over and over to be telling you the truth in lieu of the actual scientists.

It’s obviously on brand

when have I ever said that I "trust" any politician let alone a retarded "conservative" one

keep going though this is pretty funny watching you try and put me in some box to "gotcha" me
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