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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1770 on: March 30, 2021, 06:55:19 PM »
Ray, you'll be happy to know that we have a possum who comes to our backyard to eat whatever leftover fats and skeletons I leave out for it.

S/he was in the garage yesterday, because I left the door open overnight. I spooned a dollop of rancid Manteca on a saucer, and placed it by the door.

The plate was clean when I returned.

That is a nice story.   It is still a marsupial, not a rodent.

I have never consumed opossum or squirrel, but know people who have. They are the country boy outdoorsmen type and know wtf they are doing.

https://answers.fieldandstream.com/forum/other/other-aa/30776-what-type-of-squirrel-do-you-think-tastes-the-best-red-fox-or-gray-squirrel
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1771 on: March 30, 2021, 07:17:20 PM »

That is a nice story.   It is still a marsupial, not a rodent.

I have never consumed opossum or squirrel, but know people who have. They are the country boy outdoorsmen type and know wtf they are doing.

https://answers.fieldandstream.com/forum/other/other-aa/30776-what-type-of-squirrel-do-you-think-tastes-the-best-red-fox-or-gray-squirrel

If they knew what they were doing they'd have a ribeye

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1772 on: March 30, 2021, 07:28:53 PM »
Whatever.

They need to show an ID for a flu shot ?


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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1773 on: March 30, 2021, 07:34:31 PM »
If they knew what they were doing they'd have a ribeye

Actually, licensed,  regulated  harvesting of wild game is probably better for the environment than corn fed feedlot beef.

Personally, I am just as happy munching on salmon, tofu, chickpeas, quinoa, alfalfa sprouts, avacadoes ...
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1774 on: March 30, 2021, 08:50:22 PM »
Actually, licensed,  regulated  harvesting of wild game is probably better for the environment than corn fed feedlot beef.

Personally, I am just as happy munching on salmon, tofu, chickpeas, quinoa, alfalfa sprouts, avacadoes ...

because farmed salmon is so great for the environment

I can speak first hand to the wild runs going kaput.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1775 on: March 30, 2021, 08:55:19 PM »
Actually, licensed,  regulated  harvesting of wild game is probably better for the environment than corn fed feedlot beef.

Personally, I am just as happy munching on salmon, tofu, chickpeas, quinoa, alfalfa sprouts, avacadoes ...

Hunters almost always have a shitload of resource intensive goddamn gear and big trucks and UTVs and trail cams. Some of the rich ones fly all over the world to do it.

Supplying feedlots certainly isn’t without its issues, but a feedlot is an animal protein factory, and the industry has migrated in that direction because it’s the most efficient and economical way to produce animal proteins.

The vast majority of people don’t even have the equipment, access, or local availability to hunt. Yet most Americans have access to local meats at any time of year in America, unlike salmon, tofu, quinoa, chick peas, bananas, oranges, avocados, etc that have to be shipped hundreds or thousands of miles—usually in refrigerated containers.

That said I firmly believe animal agriculture as we know it is on borrowed time.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1776 on: March 30, 2021, 09:22:10 PM »
because farmed salmon is so great for the environment



In terms of greenhouse gases. Yes. Salmon farming is roughly equal to chicken, better than pork, a lot better than feedlot beef. 
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« Reply #1777 on: March 30, 2021, 09:32:05 PM »
Hunters almost always have a shitload of resource intensive goddamn gear and big trucks and UTVs and trail cams. Some of the rich ones fly all over the world to do it.

Supplying feedlots certainly isn’t without its issues, but a feedlot is an animal protein factory, and the industry has migrated in that direction because it’s the most efficient and economical way to produce animal proteins.

The vast majority of people don’t even have the equipment, access, or local availability to hunt. Yet most Americans have access to local meats at any time of year in America, unlike salmon, tofu, quinoa, chick peas, bananas, oranges, avocados, etc that have to be shipped hundreds or thousands of miles—usually in refrigerated containers.

That said I firmly believe animal agriculture as we know it is on borrowed time.


Why do you think it is on borrowed time?

It would be more economical and environmentally sound to grow vegetable protein for human consumption. 

btw, I also know hunters who donate venison to food banks as part of wildlife management programs. 
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1778 on: March 30, 2021, 09:39:45 PM »
Maybe Rob will now wish 97 gets The COVID instead of cancer.

Why not both?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1779 on: March 30, 2021, 09:41:05 PM »
Where did you get the lard?

I'll give you ONE guess.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1780 on: March 30, 2021, 10:09:10 PM »

Why do you think it is on borrowed time?

It would be more economical and environmentally sound to grow vegetable protein for human consumption. 

btw, I also know hunters who donate venison to food banks as part of wildlife management programs.

You answered your own question in the first two sentences.

We used to get nine nuisance permits per year for our semi-wooded quarter section and all the resultant venison was donated. And yes many hunters donate. Doesn’t change the fact that hunting is not a viable or efficient long term strategy for mass consumption of animal protein.

It’s true that fowl and fish convert feed into body weight much more efficiently than hogs and especially beef cattle. Conversely, hogs and cattle produce much more “valuable waste” than fish or chicken. That closes the gap, but not entirely.

But I want to hone in on your comments about plant protein. Look at market expectations for vegan plant based foods over the next five years. It’s an exploding market. I don’t see that changing unless the imminent inflation makes it unaffordable enough to curtail its growth.

But, as you inadvertently pointed out, there’s still the emissions problem of supplying millions of people with year-around vegetables and plant proteins that cannot reliably be produced at the latitudes at which they reside.

Humanity had it mostly right for much of its existence. Plant food close to water, harvest wild animals as necessary, and barter anything extra for others things they needed.

But then mechanization happened, and science evolved plants and animals and farming practices that could be used to support a lot more people. So then the population explodes and people migrate to urban areas in search of jobs because mechanization has eliminated most of them in rural areas.

Entire urban and suburban generations come and go never having to nurture a crop or an animal for food and most children who are asked where their food comes from don’t have any better answer than, “From the grocery!”

Urban rooftop gardens and suburban backyard greenhouses have become a thing, and that’s great. I think many people have an innate need to grow and harvest.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1781 on: March 30, 2021, 10:13:32 PM »
This is why I said to Heather, about 18 months ago, "we need a pandemic."

I shit you not.

Unfortunately, it's insufficiently deadly.

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« Reply #1782 on: March 30, 2021, 10:16:31 PM »
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« Reply #1783 on: March 30, 2021, 10:17:09 PM »
This is why I said to Heather, about 18 months ago, "we need a pandemic."

I shit you not.

Unfortunately, it's insufficiently deadly.

What’s your perfect pathogen?
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« Reply #1784 on: March 30, 2021, 10:19:37 PM »
What’s your perfect pathogen?

That Renee Russo/Dustin Hoffman thing seemed pretty effective.