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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6255 on: October 03, 2024, 09:44:45 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6256 on: October 03, 2024, 09:50:17 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 03, 2024, 09:04:15 PM
It also says very rarely and that it happens more often if you get The COVID.

I know. Point is that heart issues are happening in both cohorts. You posted an article that came across like we just found out all this stuff when we have in fact known about it for years.

There were verifiable examples of fit young athletes having these problems all over social media outlets a few years ago but the mainstream news wouldn’t touch it because it would have ostensibly hurt the vaccine campaign. I get why they did it, but let’s call it like it is. They knew there were issues with the spike protein, and the vaccines trigger the body to create spike proteins. A fair amount of people who weren't at big risk would put two and two together and eschew vaccination.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6257 on: October 03, 2024, 09:58:54 PM »
Quote from: Custard on October 03, 2024, 09:50:17 PM
I know. Point is that heart issues are happening in both cohorts. You posted an article that came across like we just found out all this stuff when we have in fact known about it for years.

There were verifiable examples of fit young athletes having these problems all over social media outlets a few years ago but the mainstream news wouldn’t touch it because it would have ostensibly hurt the vaccine campaign. I get why they did it, but let’s call it like it is. They knew there were issues with the spike protein, and the vaccines trigger the body to create spike proteins. A fair amount of people who weren't at big risk would put two and two together and eschew vaccination.

Getting The COVID, per the article, appears to be far worse than getting the vaccine though.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6258 on: October 03, 2024, 10:01:39 PM »
Quote from: Custard on October 03, 2024, 09:44:45 PM
I’ve had a great week.

Spark maintains he had a good week too.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6259 on: October 04, 2024, 11:39:37 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 03, 2024, 09:58:54 PM
Getting The COVID, per the article, appears to be far worse than getting the vaccine though.

Right. But that is today’s data. Back then they were doing everything they could to minimize any kind of potential risk because they wanted people to get vaccinated.

If you’re a fit 18 year old male with very little chance of having problems from contracting covid itself, if you even contract a symptomatic case, why willingly shoot yourself up with a rushed vaccine that 100%  the spike proteins that can trigger same negative cardiovascular response as the infection itself? Seems like a low reward proposition to me.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6260 on: October 04, 2024, 11:40:43 AM »
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Spark maintains he had a good week too.

You have cognitive dissonance from being hit with so many truth bombs you can’t comprehend it. I have eviscerated you two in here since last night with stone cold facts and you can’t wrap your mind around it!
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6261 on: October 04, 2024, 11:48:15 AM »
Quote from: Custard on October 04, 2024, 11:39:37 AM
Right. But that is today’s data. Back then they were doing everything they could to minimize any kind of potential risk because they wanted people to get vaccinated.

If you’re a fit 18 year old male with very little chance of having problems from contracting covid itself, if you even contract a symptomatic case, why willingly shoot yourself up with a rushed vaccine that 100%  the spike proteins that can trigger same negative cardiovascular response as the infection itself? Seems like a low reward proposition to me.

Ask the fit kids who had The COVID who are having heart attacks how they feel.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6262 on: October 04, 2024, 11:51:36 AM »
You clearly haven’t read what I’ve actually written and are tilting at windmills at this point.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6263 on: October 04, 2024, 11:53:11 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 04, 2024, 11:48:15 AM
Ask the fit kids who had The COVID who are having heart attacks how they feel.

Yeah, for real. So, I'm on the fire department and an EMT, and I'm seeing a hell of a lot of heart problems in 18 year old people that are in great shape.

Haha, yeah, just fucking kidding. People are fine. If your body rejects an RNA based shot, and your heart goes to shit, well, maybe there are other things going on.

If you want to get a shot, get a fucking shot. It's really not going to hurt you.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6264 on: October 04, 2024, 11:56:42 AM »
Quote from: Jobu on October 04, 2024, 11:53:11 AM
Yeah, for real. So, I'm on the fire department and an EMT, and I'm seeing a hell of a lot of heart problems in 18 year old people that are in great shape.

Haha, yeah, just fucking kidding. People are fine. If your body rejects an RNA based shot, and your heart goes to shit, well, maybe there are other things going on.

If you want to get a shot, get a fucking shot. It's really not going to hurt you.

Having The Covid and The Shot can both hurt you in various ways and in varying levels of severity. The Covid is more dangerous than The Shot, in all or at least vast majority of risk groups. Nothing controversial about that.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6265 on: October 04, 2024, 11:59:12 AM »
Quote from: Custard on October 04, 2024, 11:56:42 AM
Having The Covid and The Shot can both hurt you in various ways and in varying levels of severity. The Covid is more dangerous than The Shot, in all or at least vast majority of risk groups. Nothing controversial about that.

Well, if you're positive for Covid, then yes, don't get the fucking shot. It's common sense. I really don't know what to say to that.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6266 on: October 04, 2024, 12:00:16 PM »
Quote from: Custard on October 04, 2024, 11:51:36 AM
You clearly haven’t read what I’ve actually written and are tilting at windmills at this point.

"If you’re a fit 18 year old male with very little chance of having problems from contracting covid itself,"

Per the article, there are kids with this description that contracted The COVID and now  are having the heart attacks. Did you know 4 years ago which kids with this description were going to have the heart attacks and which ones were not 4 years later? 
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6267 on: October 04, 2024, 12:01:19 PM »
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, and I probably am, but people should do what they think is right for them, outside of politics. Get a shot, or don't. But at the height of everything, like in 2020, I do think the vaccine quelled things a bit. We can disagree. But it's better than just letting it go.
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« Reply #6268 on: October 04, 2024, 12:05:11 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 04, 2024, 12:00:16 PM
"If you’re a fit 18 year old male with very little chance of having problems from contracting covid itself,"

Per the article, there are kids with this description that contracted The COVID and now  are having the heart attacks. Did you know 4 years ago which kids with this description were going to have the heart attacks and which ones were not 4 years later?

This is the problem. There is so much information out there, fake or real, that it's impossible to tell what is fact and what is fiction. It's all based on your beliefs.

Hell, look back at the UNLV kid that dropped out of school because of NIL. Supposedly he was promised 100K. Then, he wasn't. Then, he got fucked. Then, he didn't. It all depends on what article you read, and there is no way to know what is fact and what is fiction.
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« Reply #6269 on: October 04, 2024, 12:16:29 PM »
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"If you’re a fit 18 year old male with very little chance of having problems from contracting covid itself,"

Per the article, there are kids with this description that contracted The COVID and now  are having the heart attacks. Did you know 4 years ago which kids with this description were going to have the heart attacks and which ones were not 4 years later?

The article also has a headline about super fit young people then spends most of its time talking about diabetes, bad diet, drug and alcohol abuse, depression and anxiety, sedentary lifestyle, etc. Seems like they made a clickbait-ey title and then lumped in all the risk factors to support the claim the title made.

Three years ago some really fit young people were having myocarditis and a few were dropping dead after getting Covid. Some after getting the vaccine. The point is that it’s not news. If you were paying attention to non-mainstream news 3 years ago it was being discussed. It’s my opinion that it was suppressed by legacy media to promote maximum vaccination uptake.

Underlying issues make it all worse, but what seems to be the biggest issue with the cardio stuff is the spike protein, and both having Covid and getting the vaccine can produce that response. Yes having “severe Covid” as the article states is more damaging to the heart. I have said this over and over. They aren’t equal outcomes but to say the vaccination poses no threat either is disingenuous.

You bring up a good point. How do we know the “super fit” kids dying now are from heart damage from a Covid case or a vaccination? Maybe both? I didn’t see any data presented on that.  Do they even have data? If a kid had the jab and Covid and it’s on file do they automatically assess the heart attack to having Covid. I have so many questions!

People were being taken off social media for talking about this in 2021 so maybe thats why you didn’t see it back then. 🤣
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