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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5325 on: June 11, 2023, 01:29:38 PM »
Quote from: Mn on June 11, 2023, 01:23:00 PM
And I viewed that as a means of hoping to avoid acknowledging this as a lab leak.
Whether or not this was a CCP biowarfare project or it wasn't, we had to have had people who knew this was not of zoonotic origin.

Based on the article, there are "roots" of COVID-19 in that virus found in the mine that were "combined" with other strains.

Would others be familiar with this being a possible/conceivable outcome or possibility? The article does posit that this specific work was being done in secret from the "outsiders."
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5326 on: June 11, 2023, 01:44:08 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 11, 2023, 01:29:38 PM
Based on the article, there are "roots" of COVID-19 in that virus found in the mine that were "combined" with other strains.

Would others be familiar with this being a possible/conceivable outcome or possibility? The article does posit that this specific work was being done in secret from the "outsiders."
The mine incident resulted in 3 (?) deaths ?
The U.S. provided the technology to Wuhan for furin cleavage site insertion. We knew that.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5327 on: June 11, 2023, 01:54:15 PM »
Quote from: Mn on June 11, 2023, 01:44:08 PM
The mine incident resulted in 3 (?) deaths ?
The U.S. provided the technology to Wuhan for furin cleavage site insertion. We knew that.

Right.  But who could've known that this could be the result of the work being done? That is why most scientists opining on this, I would think, assumed that there had to be an animal intermediary because it had never been seen before.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5328 on: June 11, 2023, 02:46:31 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 11, 2023, 01:54:15 PM
Right.  But who could've known that this could be the result of the work being done? That is why most scientists opining on this, I would think, assumed that there had to be an animal intermediary because it had never been seen before.
The virologists dependent on govt grants and research funding were the ones pushing to steer clear of the lab leak.
I'm not sure any of Baric's work at UNC has been successfully obtained thru FOIA, despite multiple requests.
And the same with Ed Holmes at Sydney U in Australia, or eherever he has been working out of.
Holmes said pre-pandemic that trying to predict the next pathogen was foolish.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5329 on: June 11, 2023, 02:55:29 PM »
Quote from: Mn on June 11, 2023, 02:46:31 PM
The virologists dependent on govt grants and research funding were the ones pushing to steer clear of the lab leak.
I'm not sure any of Baric's work at UNC has been successfully obtained thru FOIA, despite multiple requests.
And the same with Ed Holmes at Sydney U in Australia, or eherever he has been working out of.
Holmes said pre-pandemic that trying to predict the next pathogen was foolish.

The article is damning for quite a few people. Including your Public Enemy No. 1.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5330 on: June 11, 2023, 03:45:41 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 11, 2023, 02:55:29 PM
The article is damning for quite a few people. Including your Public Enemy No. 1.
I've still got to digest this one, but here's a tidbit while you're listening.

"Nevertheless, the programme’s leaders were certain that Predict worked. A 2012 article published by the journal PLOS concluded that, as a result of Predict and EPT: “China has made a series of changes to public health policy and infrastructure specifically targeting SARS-like illnesses… It is likely that any future spillover from SARS… would be less likely to result in international spread.” One of the main authors of the paper was Dennis Carroll. Another was Peter Daszak"

"The reality is that Predict was doing more than detecting dangerous pathogens: it was helping labs make them."
https://unherd.com/2023/06/why-did-usaid-fund-the-wuhan-lab/
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5331 on: June 11, 2023, 05:31:37 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5332 on: June 11, 2023, 06:41:55 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 11, 2023, 05:31:37 PM
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-01930-0
I stopped after the 1st researcher.

Sheela Shenoi received either NIH or NIAID funding for the 1st paper I looked at.
The 2nd paper, from Feb of last year, was a correction to include Dr. Shenoi as the 3rd author, not simply as an acknowledgment.
Then her funding information was included.
"The following information is missing from the Funding section: SS was supported by National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), grant #K23AI089260."

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5333 on: June 11, 2023, 08:56:39 PM »
Lol. This is from the unherd.com article a couple of posts up.

Just as in the Sheela Shenoi correction, Nature Medicine had a correction to add to a study involving Shi and Baric.

"The 2015 study — which the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists characterised as a “prototype” for making SARS-CoV-2 in a lab — was considered so dangerous that its authors did not upload the resulting sequence to GenBank, the NIH’s genetic research repository, for fear it might “fall into the wrong hands”, as Baric, its lead author, would later attest. But the study also omitted one other critical piece of information: USAID had provided funding for the study. Nature Medicine, the journal that published the paper, was forced to add a “Corrigendum” clarifying that the aid agency had in fact funded it."
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5334 on: June 14, 2023, 06:05:00 PM »
https://twitter.com/shellenberger/status/1668661352074993664

This is the 1st mention I've seen of names and type of their work for the 3 infected lab workers.

From Alina Chan, one of the conspiracy theorists.
"“Ever since I put out my [May 2020] preprint [research paper] saying that an accidental lab origin was possible, I was criticized as a conspiracy theorist,” said Chan. “If this info had been made public in May of 2020, I doubt that many in the scientific community and the media would have spent the last three years raving about a raccoon dog or pangolin in a wet market.”

"Had the information come out earlier, governments may have responded to the pandemic differently. After Public shared the information with Chan, she said, “I feel vindicated, but I’m frustrated. If you knew that this was likely a lab-enhanced pathogen, there are so many things you could have done differently. This whole pandemic could have been reshaped.”

For a long time, I've said the world would have responded differently.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5335 on: June 14, 2023, 06:07:50 PM »
Quote from: Mn on June 14, 2023, 06:05:00 PM
https://twitter.com/shellenberger/status/1668661352074993664

This is the 1st mention I've seen of names and type of their work for the 3 infected lab workers.

From Alina Chan, one of the conspiracy theorists.
"“Ever since I put out my [May 2020] preprint [research paper] saying that an accidental lab origin was possible, I was criticized as a conspiracy theorist,” said Chan. “If this info had been made public in May of 2020, I doubt that many in the scientific community and the media would have spent the last three years raving about a raccoon dog or pangolin in a wet market.”

"Had the information come out earlier, governments may have responded to the pandemic differently. After Public shared the information with Chan, she said, “I feel vindicated, but I’m frustrated. If you knew that this was likely a lab-enhanced pathogen, there are so many things you could have done differently. This whole pandemic could have been reshaped.”

For a long time, I've said the world would have responded differently.

I do not understand HOW the world would have responded differently. Are you referring to shut downs and mitigation efforts or merely pressuring the Commie Scum Sucking Fuckers to release information, etc. etc.?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5336 on: June 14, 2023, 09:15:40 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 14, 2023, 06:07:50 PM
I do not understand HOW the world would have responded differently. Are you referring to shut downs and mitigation efforts or merely pressuring the Commie Scum Sucking Fuckers to release information, etc. etc.?
Above my pay grade but they're nice people and we trust them probably wouldn't have been said about those Commies. But then, maybe it would.
The Commies do appear to be investing well.
And maybe Jeremy Farrar wouldn't now be at WHO and Fauci's underling wouldn't have taken his place.

Also, the new information is based on "sources" and redacted documents.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5337 on: June 20, 2023, 05:50:10 PM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-funded-scientist-among-three-chinese-researchers-who-fell-ill-amid-early-covid-19-outbreak-3f919567

A prominent scientist who worked on coronavirus projects funded by the U.S. government is one of three Chinese researchers who became sick with an unspecified illness during the initial outbreak of Covid-19, according to current and former U.S. officials.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5338 on: June 21, 2023, 06:58:01 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 20, 2023, 05:50:10 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-funded-scientist-among-three-chinese-researchers-who-fell-ill-amid-early-covid-19-outbreak-3f919567

A prominent scientist who worked on coronavirus projects funded by the U.S. government is one of three Chinese researchers who became sick with an unspecified illness during the initial outbreak of Covid-19, according to current and former U.S. officials.


And if Hu is patient zero, "during the initial outbreak" may be a little misleading.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5339 on: June 22, 2023, 07:55:57 AM »
As a result of bi-partisan legislation and signed into law by POTUS the ODNI has released the declassified intelligence on the origins of Covid, minus redactions protecting sources and methods and matters pertaining to national security, that was due this past Sunday.

JK. They haven't released anything.
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