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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #750 on: September 10, 2020, 06:43:55 PM »
So obviously you didn’t click on it. I’m inclined to believe the man since he had an Irish accent.

I don't watxh anything on The YouTube at this point other than Luke Skyyywalker and 2LiveCrew videos.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #751 on: September 10, 2020, 06:47:59 PM »
This article is incredibly prescient

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/

Except we do not know the long term effects given its apparent mutations.

That being said, my wife is good friends with someone who appears to be a "long-hauler." Been sick for months, vertigo, fatigue and other neurological issues. They didn't think she had the COVID so they didn't test her, until recently. She had the anti bodies. It has fucked her up since early spring.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #752 on: September 10, 2020, 06:56:07 PM »
So, if they quit testing entirely, or, like in Florida, apparently,  not releasing any info, we are good to go?

you can watch the video at 28:30 and see that they tested like crazy for H1N1 in 2009/10 and once people stopped dying from it they gave up on testing and declared it over because mass testing asymptomatic people with a PCR test is dumb because its not very accurate on those people and only creates panic

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #753 on: September 10, 2020, 08:19:12 PM »
Except we do not know the long term effects given its apparent mutations.

That being said, my wife is good friends with someone who appears to be a "long-hauler." Been sick for months, vertigo, fatigue and other neurological issues. They didn't think she had the COVID so they didn't test her, until recently. She had the anti bodies. It has fucked her up since early spring.

The “we don’t know about long term effects” thing is viable. But this isn’t a virus we can contain. We can only slow it down. Originally (as I’ve mentioned many times before) it was about flattening the curve and not overwhelming health care facilities. But healthcare facilities aren’t overrun. Doctors have better learned how to treat it in the unlikely event most of us actually need treatment for it.

Now due to the unprecedented response and resulting panic, the good folks that tanked the global economy aren’t about to publicly own the fact that they enormously overinflated risk of the virus and their response to it probably made things worse. And thus it has morphed into this weird “ZOMG CASES” fascination.

The Atlantic article (published in February) I linked earlier clearly illustrates how this virus would not be containable. The best we could hope for was to slow it down, which we did. But that might also, in a tragic twist of fate, actually come back to bite us this winter. I’m on record here saying quite some time ago that perhaps we’d be better off just letting it redline all summer and early fall, and now there are studies suggesting that’s precisely what should have been done. 20/20 highlight and what-have-you.


It’s starting to look like a large percentage of the global population has T cell immunities in some form or another from previous corona virus infections. That’s a really good thing. Data from Europe that hasn’t been manipulated or dumbed down for political gain by American politics is enormously encouraging.

I think it sucks that your wife’s friend is having all these issues. I wish her nothing but the best. At the same time you didn’t really make a compelling argument that what she’s experienced is even tangentially related to COVID-19. It very well might be, but literally no one knows that.

When dealing with a novel virus it’s not really prudent to hold up the super rare exceptions that prove the rule because it just foments more fear and panic. It’s my opinion that we should ultimately be happy that these are quite rare and realize this isn’t what we originally thought it was. 

Whenever there is a new bug in town we know it’s going to pick off the weakest of the herd and that there also will be specific genetic markers and such that are more susceptible for whatever reason. That sucks, but it’s biology 101.

For the camp that wants to stop the world until there is a vaccine, the question now becomes, “Is the very real and devastating collateral economic and mental well-being damage that’s occurring while waiting for a vaccine truly worth it when the easy targets have already died of it?”

From the YouTube video earlier statistics showed something like 800 people died of cancer, 33 of suicide, and just a couple of actual COVID deaths for Ireland in July. Trump probably skewed these stats but the narrator’s accent was very convincing.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #754 on: September 10, 2020, 08:20:08 PM »

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #755 on: September 10, 2020, 10:14:51 PM »
My wife's sorority sister (Not Kelly Loeffler) has a son at UIUC. He has 4 roomates.

4 of the 5 just tested positive for COVID in regular screening.

My prediction is that with COVID gaining this foothold at campuses and kids being willing to skirt the rules from the start, once kids have COVID and eventually test negative, those kids will go nuts despite being presumably under the same rules - with the knowledge that they have had it already they will be even more likely to skirt the rules.

This will piss off a lot of kids who haven't tested positive yet - I can absolutely see the net effect that kids will be *less* vigilant, not more, basically hoping they get it so they can clear out then stop following protocol.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #756 on: September 10, 2020, 10:27:49 PM »
My wife's sorority sister (Not Kelly Loeffler) has a son at UIUC. He has 4 roomates.

4 of the 5 just tested positive for COVID in regular screening.

My prediction is that with COVID gaining this foothold at campuses and kids being willing to skirt the rules from the start, once kids have COVID and eventually test negative, those kids will go nuts despite being presumably under the same rules - with the knowledge that they have had it already they will be even more likely to skirt the rules.

This will piss off a lot of kids who haven't tested positive yet - I can absolutely see the net effect that kids will be *less* vigilant, not more, basically hoping they get it so they can clear out then stop following protocol.

the University of Miami just had 833 positive tests and zero hospitalizations

cases and tests don't mean anything anymore
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #757 on: September 10, 2020, 11:14:43 PM »
I won't quote Custard, but at first they thought she had something wrong neurolgically. After testing her for that and finding nothing,  they apparently gave her the COVID test and she showed the antibodies. The doctors' theory is she had the COVID and is suffering the effects of it still. She did not appear to have  any comorbidity. Skinny with a big rack.

Have a buddy who got it at the Forest Park St. Patrick's Day parade. Said it knocked him in bed for 15 days straight. Said it really sucked, was way worse than the flu and you don't want it. He was a big runner and said he has been leery of pushing himself to test his lungs just yet. He can still drink quite a few Hamm's tall boys though.

TL:DR - getting The COVID sucks.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #758 on: September 10, 2020, 11:17:40 PM »
And for all the talk.of Sweden, their economy still tanked like everyone else (and they closed the HS and universities per my buddy whom has family over there).
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #759 on: September 10, 2020, 11:28:23 PM »
the University of Miami just had 833 positive tests and zero hospitalizations

cases and tests don't mean anything anymore
1026 students.
3 employees.

The problem is that the students by ramping up the cases with their careless behavior will now become a vector for the employees and staff, who are older, and will be hospitalized.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #760 on: September 10, 2020, 11:40:34 PM »
It is. From very early also.

Good article.   Let’s page forward and see what Hamblin thinks of the U.S. response to COVID and what the future might hold.

Paging Dr. Hamblin: Why Didn’t America’s Shutdowns Work?
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/united-states-lockdown-again/616228/

And while we’re at it, here’s another good breakdown of our half-hearted response from one of Hamblin’s colleagues at the Atlantic. 

America Is Trapped in a Pandemic Spiral
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/pandemic-intuition-nightmare-spiral-winter/616204/

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #762 on: September 11, 2020, 07:23:53 AM »
From today's fishwrap .....

3200 young adults, with no age range listed, and 1/4 being extremely obese, 1/5 being diabetic and 1/7 with hypertension.
25% of the "young adults" being extremely obese. 800 of the 3200 being extremely obese.
2016 figures show the U.S. population at 36% overweight and 13% obese.
If it's ok to assume that 1/3 of the 13% national obese numbers are extremely obese, the number of young adults in this study would appear to possibly be 6 times the number expected if obesity was not a co-morbidity.
Yet, the study "establishes" that Covid is a life threatening disease in people of all ages ?

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« Reply #763 on: September 11, 2020, 07:38:13 AM »
Hamblin seems to broadly contradict himself in the second article. The first article is titled, “You’re likely to get the corona virus,” and has a subheading of, “Most cases are not life-threatening, which is also what makes the virus a historic challenge to contain.”  As previously discussed he says it’s essentially uncontainable.

Then he comes back later in the second article and points to the lack of unified response in the US as the reason we were unable to contain it.

The continued attempt at fear mongering over increased cases with relatively very few hospitalizations and deaths is silly at best.
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« Reply #764 on: September 11, 2020, 07:41:14 AM »
From today's fishwrap .....

3200 young adults, with no age range listed, and 1/4 being extremely obese, 1/5 being diabetic and 1/7 with hypertension.
25% of the "young adults" being extremely obese. 800 of the 3200 being extremely obese.
2016 figures show the U.S. population at 36% overweight and 13% obese.
If it's ok to assume that 1/3 of the 13% national obese numbers are extremely obese, the number of young adults in this study would appear to possibly be 6 times the number expected if obesity was not a co-morbidity.
Yet, the study "establishes" that Covid is a life threatening disease in people of all ages ?

Metabolic issues seem to really play into being susceptible to Covid. It’s almost like they wanted to prove a hypothesis and then went about making sure they had all the right variables to do so.
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