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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5190 on: March 17, 2023, 07:44:35 AM »
Done to keep you from unraveling their conspiracy! Bastards!
That sentence alone gave me a good laugh tho. I'm glad I didn't have to wait til Sunday's fishwrap.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5191 on: March 17, 2023, 08:36:21 AM »
It looks as tho Katherine Wu has a similar story in The Atlantic.
They won't let me read it either.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5192 on: March 17, 2023, 10:08:50 AM »
Mn! Per the failing NYT!

New data links pandemic’s origins to raccoon dogs at Wuhan market
Genetic samples from the market were recently uploaded to an international database and then removed after scientists asked China about them.

Aha...those sneaky, devilish Chicoms using raccoon dogs as a bioweapons delivery system.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5193 on: March 17, 2023, 11:17:57 AM »
Mn! Per the failing NYT!

New data links pandemic’s origins to raccoon dogs at Wuhan market
Genetic samples from the market were recently uploaded to an international database and then removed after scientists asked China about them.
Jon Cohen at Science is on board too.

But the data just went poof. Like the data that the NIH deleted at the request of the submitter ?

"Since Débarre spotted the sequences, GISAID has removed them, noting that this was at the request of the submitter.
Given that the mystery of SARS-CoV-2’s origin has been a matter of intense global interest and divisive debate, the data’s discovery and subsequent disappearance will certainly raise questions about why the Chinese team ...... did not make the sequences public earlier."

https://www.science.org/content/article/covid-19-origins-missing-sequences
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5194 on: March 17, 2023, 12:12:02 PM »
Aha...those sneaky, devilish Chicoms using raccoon dogs as a bioweapons delivery system.

Always good to see you posting Alum! Was worried you had left.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5195 on: March 17, 2023, 02:49:39 PM »
About as fruitless an endeavor as efforting to get Tempo to read a page of text.

You mean 107 pages of something that barely interests me?
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5196 on: March 17, 2023, 02:50:27 PM »
Always good to see you posting Alum! Was worried you had left.

Alum, I think he’s nicely trying to say he was afraid you’d died.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5197 on: March 17, 2023, 03:06:32 PM »
Alum, I think he’s nicely trying to say he was afraid you’d died.

Had not crossed my mind. Now it will be burned in it.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5198 on: March 21, 2023, 11:12:11 AM »
Mn! Per the failing NYT!

New data links pandemic’s origins to raccoon dogs at Wuhan market
Genetic samples from the market were recently uploaded to an international database and then removed after scientists asked China about them.
Here's the pre-print that you've been anxiously awaiting. Hot off the presses, dated yesterday.

The authors do mention the determination by China's CDC early .......
"We downloaded the public data to search for genetic sequences
from non-human animals, which the CCDC did not identify in their February 2022 preprint.
The preprint also posited that all SARS-CoV-2-positive samples in the market were the
result of human infections, claiming that the market was a site of amplification of an already
widespread epidemic."

And tho the data from Gao et al is now unavailable for analysis, the hypothesis of the authors appears to be that an infected intermediary animal is the source of human infection. No infected animal has been found.
But "Although we cannot identify the intermediate animal host species from these data, a
plausible explanation for the co-occurence of the genetic material of SARS-CoV-2 and
susceptible animals is that a subset of these animals were infected."

You can click on the file market env report.pdf to access the report.

And "We are proponents of open data sharing."
Good luck getting any of co-author Edward Holmes out of Australia. FOIA requests have so far been unsuccessful.
The same goes with UNC and the work of Ralph Baric.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5199 on: March 21, 2023, 11:52:33 AM »
Alum, I think he’s nicely trying to say he was afraid you’d died.

For better or worse, I'm alive.

Here's a good breakdown of the recent study:
COVID-origins study links raccoon dogs to Wuhan market: what scientists think
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00827-2




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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5200 on: March 21, 2023, 12:04:25 PM »
For better or worse, I'm alive.

Here's a good breakdown of the recent study:
COVID-origins study links raccoon dogs to Wuhan market: what scientists think
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00827-2




The report, "This report is not intended for publication in a journal." shows animals were present at the market. That's nothing new.

"But it is possible that the site was contaminated with SARS-CoV-2 RNA from other sources. There is no evidence that the virus came from an infected raccoon dog; it could just as easily have come from an infected person,” says Kinney."

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5201 on: March 21, 2023, 12:09:33 PM »
I’m just curious why people have let the origin of the virus become a political football. Why not be open minded and see what is found? And who might have been covering what up?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5202 on: March 21, 2023, 01:12:39 PM »
I’m just curious why people have let the origin of the virus become a political football. Why not be open minded and see what is found? And who might have been covering what up?

Trump started pushing lab leak/bioweapon nonsense without any evidence--indeed, before any real attempt to figure out where it came from could be conducted.  And he started calling it the "China virus" and the "Kung flu." 

Looking at evidence that the virus leaked from WIV should be rationally explored.  Pushing China as the villain without evidence to deflect from one's own failure is another thing entirely. 

BTW, the wet market origin is not exactly a good look for China either, since that is where SARS originated, and they were supposed to crack down on it.



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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5203 on: March 21, 2023, 01:53:57 PM »
I’m just curious why people have let the origin of the virus become a political football. Why not be open minded and see what is found? And who might have been covering what up?

I'm curious why people who have decided it was a lab leak think that's a reason not to be vaccinated.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5204 on: March 21, 2023, 02:31:50 PM »
Flo DeBarre, one of the authors, has questions. Lol.