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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6180 on: September 05, 2024, 11:04:41 PM »
Quote from: Custard on September 05, 2024, 10:53:15 PM
How could any rational person read this and not immediately think it was a lab leak? It’s almost too obvious.

Motivated reasoning alert!

A rational person will acknowlege the two dominant theories and conclude that more information is needed to determine the origin of the COVID-19 pandemic. 
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6181 on: September 06, 2024, 01:08:11 AM »
Quote from: Custard on September 05, 2024, 06:46:37 PM
I’ve never felt strongly at all that it was one way or the other. I leaned more towards natural origin and migrated more toward potential lab leak over the years as things evolved and more evidence emerged. But I still can’t pretend to have any clue beyond that.

To your credit yes you’ve hedged but in general the left has been very much “well we can’t do anything unless China bends over for us” which is a very very soft stance from the exact same people who locked themselves away for years and are still outraged at Trump for it.

If it is that big of a deal why are we being so soft on China? Especially if US taxpayer money was involved? If a middle eastern country had caused millions of deaths we’d have firebombed it years ago. But no, let’s use velvet gloves on the commies.

By “things evolved” you mean “internet trolls made shit up and you read it”
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6182 on: September 06, 2024, 02:08:20 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on September 05, 2024, 10:39:07 PM
=…no one in government wants to really know the actual answer.=

Government origin analyses to date:
-FBI = lab origin (moderate confidence)
-DOE = lab leak (low confidence)
-National Intelligence Council and four other agencies = natural origin (low confidence)

Also: Toxic: How the Search for the Origins of COVID-19 Turned Politically Poisonous
https://apnews.com/article/china-covid-virus-origins-pandemic-lab-leak-bed5ab50dca8e318ab00f60b5911da0c

Does not sound like support for people in government really wanting to know the answer.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6183 on: September 06, 2024, 07:50:48 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on September 05, 2024, 11:04:41 PM
Motivated reasoning alert!

A rational person will acknowlege the two dominant theories and conclude that more information is needed to determine the origin of the COVID-19 pandemic.

I have zero motivation to prefer one outcome over the other. I have already acknowledged the two dominant theories and said we need more info.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6184 on: September 06, 2024, 08:28:50 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on September 06, 2024, 01:08:11 AM
By “things evolved” you mean “internet trolls made shit up and you read it”

Yes, trolls like the house oversight committee, FBI, DOE, etc etc.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6185 on: September 06, 2024, 10:10:30 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on September 06, 2024, 02:08:20 AM
Does not sound like support for people in government really wanting to know the answer.

Disagree.

Forgot to add this.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna90914
« Last Edit: September 06, 2024, 10:23:50 AM by alum74 »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6186 on: September 06, 2024, 11:35:57 AM »
Quote from: Custard on September 06, 2024, 08:28:50 AM
Yes, trolls like the house oversight committee

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6187 on: September 06, 2024, 01:44:24 PM »
Please tell me you know the difference between fire bombing Afghanistan and China.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6188 on: September 06, 2024, 03:09:27 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on September 06, 2024, 01:44:24 PM
Please tell me you know the difference between fire bombing Afghanistan and China.

Is that what you think I’m suggesting?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6189 on: September 09, 2024, 03:43:37 AM »
Quote from: Custard on September 06, 2024, 03:09:27 PM
Is that what you think I’m suggesting?

You’re the one who made the point.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6190 on: September 09, 2024, 03:45:22 AM »
“why are we being so soft on China?”

Direct quote:

If it is that big of a deal why are we being so soft on China? Especially if US taxpayer money was involved? If a middle eastern country had caused millions of deaths we’d have firebombed it years ago. But no, let’s use velvet gloves on the commies.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6191 on: September 09, 2024, 08:52:28 AM »
It’s called a dichotomy. Using one extreme example to demonstrate how soft we are being in another situation. Obviously we aren’t going to go into a hot war with China but we also don’t have to basically shrug our shoulders like the collective left has done.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6192 on: September 09, 2024, 09:06:43 AM »
Quote from: Custard on September 09, 2024, 08:52:28 AM
It’s called a dichotomy. Using one extreme example to demonstrate how soft we are being in another situation. Obviously we aren’t going to go into a hot war with China but we also don’t have to basically shrug our shoulders like the collective left has done.

Again, you’re the one who mentioned carpet bombing others who crossed us, then asked “why are we so soft on the commies?” What would you do about China?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6193 on: September 09, 2024, 09:20:38 AM »
Quote from: Custard on September 09, 2024, 08:52:28 AM
It’s called a dichotomy. Using one extreme example to demonstrate how soft we are being in another situation. Obviously we aren’t going to go into a hot war with China but we also don’t have to basically shrug our shoulders like the collective left has done.

OK then. Please illuminate us with your thesis on what we should do.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6194 on: September 09, 2024, 10:18:19 AM »
Quote from: Custard on September 09, 2024, 08:52:28 AM
It’s called a dichotomy. Using one extreme example to demonstrate how soft we are being in another situation. Obviously we aren’t going to go into a hot war with China but we also don’t have to basically shrug our shoulders like the collective left has done.

You’re the resident bellyacher.   

Time for you to put on the big boy pants and tell us how you would compel the Chinese to cooperate with an international investigation, including sharing raw scientific data, inspecting different sites, making scientists available for unrestricted interviews, reviewing internal reports and allowing for all major hypotheses to be fully investigated.     

And keep this in mind, the Chinese government has consistently rejected not only the hypothesis that the virus originated at the Wuhan laboratory, but that it originated in China at all.
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