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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6210 on: September 10, 2024, 06:24:32 PM »
I know smart guys like you all can recognize that “helps make Covid less severe” and “may cause  other long term health issues” aren’t mutually exclusive scenarios.

If pharma/FDA didn’t have a long, sickening track record of rigged testing, coverups, class action suits, wrongful death, etc maybe you would have some kind of lucid point.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6211 on: September 10, 2024, 06:26:43 PM »
Quote from: Custard on September 10, 2024, 06:24:32 PM
I know smart guys like you all can recognize that “helps make Covid less severe” and “may cause  other long term health issues” aren’t mutually exclusive scenarios.

If pharma/FDA didn’t have a long, sickening track record of rigged testing, coverups, class action suits, wrongful death, etc maybe you would have some kind of lucid point.

What's your take on Chemotherapy? If you get cancer, would you take such treatment?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6212 on: September 10, 2024, 06:31:26 PM »
Like any rational person I’d weigh the risks vs benefits, discuss potential outcomes with my doctor(s), do some research and seek out experiences from others who had used that particular chemo, and definitely not rely solely on manufacturer talking points and data
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6213 on: September 10, 2024, 06:39:10 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on September 10, 2024, 06:26:43 PM
What's your take on Chemotherapy? If you get cancer, would you take such treatment?

I might consider chemo depending on the amount of cancer I have and what stage it is. I would not do radiation. Let me die before going through all that.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6214 on: September 10, 2024, 06:46:29 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on September 10, 2024, 06:11:05 PM
So can peanuts. Goddamn big Mr Peanut!

That's a little different. Sometimes a person is allergic to ingredients in the vaccine. That would be like a peanut allergy.

As you know, a vaccine generally introduces a non virulent form of the pathogen, indirectly with mRNA, which causes the immune system to make antibodies against the pathogen.

Rarely, the antibodies can mistake healthy cells for the pathogen. They then attack those cells. Like friendly fire. GBS, I believe is an example.

That is my non expert understanding. Subject to correction. Sorry if I overlooked any intended irony.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6215 on: September 10, 2024, 06:57:16 PM »
Quote from: Custard on September 10, 2024, 06:31:26 PM
Like any rational person I’d weigh the risks vs benefits, discuss potential outcomes with my doctor(s), do some research and seek out experiences from others who had used that particular chemo, and definitely not rely solely on manufacturer talking points and data
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Lots of research being done these days. Unfortunately, the "research" being read is being posted by some fat dude in his basement using ChatGPT
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6216 on: September 10, 2024, 07:24:42 PM »
Quote from: Custard on September 10, 2024, 06:24:32 PM
I know smart guys like you all can recognize that “helps make Covid less severe” and “may cause  other long term health issues” aren’t mutually exclusive scenarios.

Which vaccine supposedly may cause long term problem? What problems?

My understanding is Covid can cause long term problems and not just the long covid.

The mRNA vaccine is gone in a few days and causes no permanent changes.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6217 on: September 10, 2024, 07:26:26 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on September 10, 2024, 07:24:42 PM
The mRNA vaccine is gone in a few days and causes no permanent changes.

You have no way of knowing that. Making a statement like that is ludicrous. You got a crystal ball?!
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6218 on: September 10, 2024, 07:31:14 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on September 10, 2024, 07:24:42 PM
Which vaccine supposedly may cause long term problem? What problems?

My understanding is Covid can cause long term problems and not just the long covid.

The mRNA vaccine is gone in a few days and causes no permanent changes.

You won’t find much in the MSM about it naturally (I mean why would they shout it from the mountaintops after years of frantically pushing it) but if you care to give even a cursory look there’s mounting evidence of related issues. And considering how many people got this, I’m sure there’s many more to come over time. My feeling is the same now as it was in 2021–made sense for the elderly and those with multiple comorbidities but not so much for those who weren’t, particularly young adults and children.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6219 on: September 10, 2024, 07:35:47 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on September 10, 2024, 07:26:26 PM
You have no way of knowing that. Making a statement like that is ludicrous. You got a crystal ball?!

That's its action. The messenger RNA tells the body's cells to create non virulent fragments of the pathogen. It then just goes away like any other mRNA.  The transience of mRNA is very basic biological science.

The immune system produces antibodies that attack the create non virulent fragments of the pathogen. When exposed to the actual pathogen, the immune system is armed and ready.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6220 on: September 10, 2024, 07:56:59 PM »
This is kind of weird. There are short and long terms complications of covid. There is some lower risk of getting the same complications from vaccines.

It looks like these are not caused by antibodies, but rather by an overactive immune system.

So, Covid, even non virulent pieces of the virus, can rarely put the immune system into overdrive?

Again, more likely to occur and be more severe from the disease than the vaccine.

That is my non expert understanding of what I have read.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6221 on: September 10, 2024, 10:33:20 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on September 10, 2024, 07:26:26 PM
You have no way of knowing that. Making a statement like that is ludicrous. You got a crystal ball?!

COVID has a latent effect that it kills everyone 6 years after they are infected. You have no way of knowing I am wrong
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6222 on: September 10, 2024, 11:11:25 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6223 on: September 10, 2024, 11:19:16 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on September 10, 2024, 06:39:10 PM
I might consider chemo depending on the amount of cancer I have and what stage it is. I would not do radiation. Let me die before going through all that.
Radiation is tough, better than dying if you want to live. You're only in that chamber for 3-4 minutes. I did it 40 times, 40 times plus chemo , from April to June 2021. The mass on my neck was large and couldn't be operated on because "fingers" were going up the left side of my head, too risky of a surgery even for top surgeons at Loma Linda Medical Center, a top med center in the country. I wasn't ready to cash it in. I'm not as physically strong as I was before but I still have a good life.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6224 on: September 10, 2024, 11:39:39 PM »
Quote from: Illinifan5775 on September 10, 2024, 11:19:16 PM
Radiation is tough, better than dying if you want to live. You're only in that chamber for 3-4 minutes. I did it 40 times, 40 times plus chemo , from April to June 2021. The mass on my neck was large and couldn't be operated on because "fingers" were going up the left side of my head, too risky of a surgery even for top surgeons at Loma Linda Medical Center, a top med center in the country. I wasn't ready to cash it in. I'm not as physically strong as I was before but I still have a good life.

Wow. Congrats on getting through it all.
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