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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1725 on: March 29, 2021, 03:38:12 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on March 29, 2021, 03:29:53 PM
Someone in China was selling bats/pangolins/etc... in a wet market, which is some bad shit. Somehow in the custody chain between catching the bat and a customer and consumption or whatever, a virus made the jump to humans and there you go, a pandemic.

Occam's razor.

That's not a defense or non defense of China.

Are you a Chinese bot?! You literally buy the shit you’re spouting on here as if it’s fact. Again, why the fuck are you trying so hard to defend China?!
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1726 on: March 29, 2021, 03:41:32 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 29, 2021, 03:22:39 PM
Talk about straw men....we were not discussing the response. We know it was and, it appears continues to be, shit because Trump transported us back to 1860 "States Rights" time. That was not the point, apparently, of the 60 Minutes piece. We were discussing origination and future prevention by requiring the Commie bastards to actually require safe food handling protocols as a price of being part of the international community.

I have no issue with saying we should be pushing on the Chinese - the whole world really - to adapt their cultural norms to modern standards. Hell, I live in SF where we had to beat up on some local politicos of Chinese descent who were trying to defend Shark Fin Soup, which has little real value but was decimating the shark population with fins being sheared off sharks who were then dumped back to die in the sea.

The problem is when THIS WAS ZOMG CHINAS FAULT becomes a strawman very easily used to distort the reality that we really screwed up the response - which would have been hard work but not very complicated to get right. This becomes more pernicious when the tenor of that blame starts to point at the upper levels of Chinese Government that is running a country with over a Billion people most of whom are in 3rd world/undeveloped situations.

People in Appalachia are eating squirrels and possums and who knows what. Risk exists there too. The scope is far larger in China, so it's not too shocking that China is where the humans lost the pandemic lotto.

But when you get down to it, a lot of bad shit will happen worldwide. Viruses have large scale impact but we have huge portions of the US population with substandard sewage - just being dumped into waterways. People who just burn their trash despite it containing lots of toxics. This happens on the corporate level too, when you look at things like the BP oil disaster or a cargo ship blocking the Suez Canal.

I'm more optimistic in many of these cases about us being able to craft responses than trying to figure out how to track down what 7 billion humans are up to on a micro level.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1727 on: March 29, 2021, 03:48:19 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on March 29, 2021, 03:41:32 PM
I have no issue with saying we should be pushing on the Chinese - the whole world really - to adapt their cultural norms to modern standards. Hell, I live in SF where we had to beat up on some local politicos of Chinese descent who were trying to defend Shark Fin Soup, which has little real value but was decimating the shark population with fins being sheared off sharks who were then dumped back to die in the sea.

The problem is when THIS WAS ZOMG CHINAS FAULT becomes a strawman very easily used to distort the reality that we really screwed up the response - which would have been hard work but not very complicated to get right. This becomes more pernicious when the tenor of that blame starts to point at the upper levels of Chinese Government that is running a country with over a Billion people most of whom are in 3rd world/undeveloped situations.

People in Appalachia are eating squirrels and possums and who knows what. Risk exists there too. The scope is far larger in China, so it's not too shocking that China is where the humans lost the pandemic lotto.

But when you get down to it, a lot of bad shit will happen worldwide. Viruses have large scale impact but we have huge portions of the US population with substandard sewage - just being dumped into waterways. People who just burn their trash despite it containing lots of toxics. This happens on the corporate level too, when you look at things like the BP oil disaster or a cargo ship blocking the Suez Canal.

I'm more optimistic in many of these cases about us being able to craft responses than trying to figure out how to track down what 7 billion humans are up to on a micro level.

Well it appears somebody watched Seaspiracy....
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1728 on: March 29, 2021, 03:51:23 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on March 29, 2021, 03:41:32 PM
I have no issue with saying we should be pushing on the Chinese - the whole world really - to adapt their cultural norms to modern standards. Hell, I live in SF where we had to beat up on some local politicos of Chinese descent who were trying to defend Shark Fin Soup, which has little real value but was decimating the shark population with fins being sheared off sharks who were then dumped back to die in the sea.

The problem is when THIS WAS ZOMG CHINAS FAULT becomes a strawman very easily used to distort the reality that we really screwed up the response - which would have been hard work but not very complicated to get right. This becomes more pernicious when the tenor of that blame starts to point at the upper levels of Chinese Government that is running a country with over a Billion people most of whom are in 3rd world/undeveloped situations.

People in Appalachia are eating squirrels and possums and who knows what. Risk exists there too. The scope is far larger in China, so it's not too shocking that China is where the humans lost the pandemic lotto.

But when you get down to it, a lot of bad shit will happen worldwide. Viruses have large scale impact but we have huge portions of the US population with substandard sewage - just being dumped into waterways. People who just burn their trash despite it containing lots of toxics. This happens on the corporate level too, when you look at things like the BP oil disaster or a cargo ship blocking the Suez Canal.

I'm more optimistic in many of these cases about us being able to craft responses than trying to figure out how to track down what 7 billion humans are up to on a micro level.

Ok, but I do not recall any SARS starting out of Appalachia. The fact is the Commie bastards have all the tools they need to control the Chinese populace (thanks, Silicon Valley!), yet refuse to enact or enforce safe food handling protocols to prevent this from happening again? C'mon, man. Be nice starting point if Biden got everyone together to jointly tell the Commie bastards to at least do something about it.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1729 on: March 29, 2021, 03:52:18 PM »
Murph, your entire post was well-explained and important.

Unfortunately, you know as well as I do that an oil magnate (or whatever industry is deeply invested in the status quo)) will feed a horror story to Faux News, that Judy and Old 97 will fall for it, and nothing will he done to prevent future instances of the causal problems.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1730 on: March 29, 2021, 04:07:09 PM »
Quote from: Mn on March 29, 2021, 02:22:43 PM
Maybe do it in Alaska ? We could give them what for again in front of world wide media ? That worked well, and now they've banned Manchin's wife in China and Hong Kong before she could give them a piece of her mind.
Or maybe this story from a year ago that the media buried as 'it's a conspiracy'.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-officials-raised-alarms-about-safety-issues-in-wuhan-lab-report-2020-4

So, the lab escape theory has been labeled by 27 scientists (led by Peter Daszek) as a “conspiracy theory.”   So what?   Not everybody agrees.   And you can thank the “Stable Genius,” Mike Pompeo and Steve Bannon for undermining this theory by politicizing the origins of the coronavirus outbreak from the get-go.   

Bottom line:  most lamestream media outlets have reported that there are a number of possible explanations for the outbreak, including the lab-leak hypothesis.  Even left-of-center New York Magazine and WaPo have published articles, saying the virus could have escaped from a lab, in addition to calling for a thorough and transparent investigation by WHO and the Chinese government.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/22/did-covid-19-escape-wuhan-lab-who-report-cant-be-final-word/

I think we can all agree that China is a big problem on a number of fronts.  But as Murph said, four years of yelling at the Chinese hasn’t worked.   And PAM is right, it’s going to “take a village” for us running dog imperialists to deal with those dirty commie rats.   
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1731 on: March 29, 2021, 04:16:03 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on March 29, 2021, 04:07:09 PM
So, the lab escape theory has been labeled by 27 scientists (led by Peter Daszek) as a “conspiracy theory.”   So what?   Not everybody agrees.   And you can thank the “Stable Genius,” Mike Pompeo and Steve Bannon for undermining this theory by politicizing the origins of the coronavirus outbreak from the get-go.   

Bottom line:  most lamestream media outlets have reported that there are a number of possible explanations for the outbreak, including the lab-leak hypothesis.  Even left-of-center New York Magazine and WaPo have published articles, saying the virus could have escaped from a lab, in addition to calling for a thorough and transparent investigation by WHO and the Chinese government.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/22/did-covid-19-escape-wuhan-lab-who-report-cant-be-final-word/

I think we can all agree that China is a big problem on a number of fronts.  But as Murph said, four years of yelling at the Chinese hasn’t worked.   And PAM is right, it’s going to “take a village” for us running dog imperialists to deal with those dirty commie rats.

Thank you, Alum74!!
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1732 on: March 29, 2021, 04:20:23 PM »
Quote from: fucking on March 29, 2021, 03:52:18 PM
Murph, your entire post was well-explained and important.

Unfortunately, you know as well as I do that an oil magnate (or whatever industry is deeply invested in the status quo)) will feed a horror story to Faux News, that Judy and Old 97 will fall for it, and nothing will he done to prevent future instances of the causal problems.

I am going to drive my coal powered, soot emitting truck, with the coal being constantly shoveled by 10 year old undernourished waifs, down to Champaign and light every dumpster in the metro area on fire so you cannot dive.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1733 on: March 29, 2021, 04:21:14 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on March 29, 2021, 03:41:32 PM

... a cargo ship blocking the Suez Canal.

... being able to craft responses

https://twitter.com/fridayfunnn/status/1375831566874783750
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1734 on: March 29, 2021, 06:32:45 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on March 29, 2021, 04:07:09 PM

I think we can all agree that China is a big problem on a number of fronts.  But as Murph said, four years of yelling at the Chinese hasn’t worked.   And PAM is right, it’s going to “take a village” for us running dog imperialists to deal with those dirty commie rats.

What it would take is for the US Citizenry to stop buying anything made in China, I suppose. But given that all that MAGA Merch crap all has MADE IN CHINA labels on it, I mean, if we can't even get that crew to get on the bandwagon where the light shines brightest, then it ain't happening. Just like those who decry climate change and vacation in the Galapagos.

If we can't collectively all wear 2 dollar masks to stop COVID, we sure as hell aren't gonna pay $2,000 for a television.
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« Reply #1735 on: March 29, 2021, 06:34:38 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 29, 2021, 03:51:23 PM
Ok, but I do not recall any SARS starting out of Appalachia.

Ergo eating squirrels, possums, and other rodents is fine.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/dsgtk8/resultbased_analysis_and_why_it_is_problematic/
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« Reply #1736 on: March 29, 2021, 06:37:34 PM »
I did a “no China” Christmas in 2020 in which I didn’t give any gifts that came from China. If you have many people to buy for, particularly young people, it’s harder than you’d think.
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« Reply #1737 on: March 29, 2021, 06:59:15 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on March 29, 2021, 06:34:38 PM
Ergo eating squirrels, possums, and other rodents is fine.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/dsgtk8/resultbased_analysis_and_why_it_is_problematic/

I didn't say that, but the topic here is THE CARONAVIRUS and we have had 2 SARS events originating out of China in this century. You quality post ratio is quickly falling below the Judge Judy Line.
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« Reply #1738 on: March 29, 2021, 07:21:33 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 29, 2021, 06:59:15 PM
I didn't say that, but the topic here is THE CARONAVIRUS and we have had 2 SARS events originating out of China in this century. You quality post ratio is quickly falling below the Judge Judy Line.

Good maybe you’ll stop obsessing about me. You fucking weirdo.
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« Reply #1739 on: March 29, 2021, 07:29:53 PM »
PAMan is en fuego today damn
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