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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #375 on: June 23, 2020, 12:11:21 PM »
Isn’t that the case for any harmful virus? Seems like it goes without saying that a percentage of people who don’t die end up with long lasting or even permanent issues?

A cherry picked collection of “minorly edited” tweets citing anecdotal experiences just confirms what anyone with any common sense would have known from the beginning: You don’t just get it and die or get it and be fine. There’s a sliding scale between the two extremes that will be populated with all manner of exceptions and weird one-off reactions and some clusters of similar reactions and myriad other issues that are still being studied.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #376 on: June 23, 2020, 02:57:11 PM »
For those interested, here’s a NPR story on the status of coronavirus contact tracing efforts at the state level: 

As States Reopen, Do They Have The Workforce They Need To Stop Coronavirus Outbreaks?
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/06/18/879787448/as-states-reopen-do-they-have-the-workforce-they-need-to-stop-coronavirus-outbre


https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-apply-contact-tracer-work-remotely-with-benefits-2020-5
A contact tracer in NYC can make a $57,000 salary with benefits and work remotely.

https://work.chron.com/starting-wage-nypd-8547.html

What are the long range prospects for a NYC contact tracer?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #377 on: June 23, 2020, 03:00:00 PM »

What are the long range prospects for a NYC contact tracer?

A lot better than the long range prospects for an Italian or Gernman contact tracer. Or as Kaylee McEnerny says "Donald Trump is the jobs president"

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #378 on: June 23, 2020, 04:28:03 PM »

What are the long range prospects for a NYC contact tracer?

A lot better than the long range prospects for an Italian or Gernman contact tracer. Or as Kaylee McEnerny says "Donald Trump is the jobs president"

Speaking of Germany: 

How Germany Staffed Up Contact Tracing Teams To Contain Its Coronavirus Outbreak
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/06/22/880803278/how-germany-staffed-up-contact-tracing-teams-to-contain-its-coronavirus-outbreak

While U.S. struggles to roll out coronavirus contact tracing, Germany has been doing it from the start
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/contact-tracing-coronavirus-germany/2020/05/24/7e59a668-93c1-11ea-87a3-22d324235636_story.html

Too bad the Trump Administration and states didn’t make contact tracing a higher priority here in the U.S.   We should have had broad tracing programs ready to go at the local and state level to help control outbreaks, at a minimum, when the states started to reopen their economies last month. 
 
Now we’re going to be playing catch-up and the virus is starting to recirculate more widely in some areas. 

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #379 on: June 23, 2020, 04:32:37 PM »

Too bad the Trump Administration and states didn’t make contact tracing a higher priority here in the U.S.   We should have had broad tracing programs ready to go at the local and state level to help control outbreaks, at a minimum, when the states started to reopen their economies last month. 
 
Now we’re going to be playing catch-up and the virus is starting to recirculate more widely in some areas.

We aren't going to try to catch up with anything. We're just going to let everyone get sick, have a very bad year, be a global pariah, and then see what happens.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #380 on: June 23, 2020, 04:40:41 PM »
I wish humanity would put as much concern and urgency into mental health/addiction/substance abuse which is a much, much more damaging pandemic than COVID is or ever will be. Not at the expense of contact tracing/limiting our personal freedoms though.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #381 on: June 23, 2020, 04:52:57 PM »
I agree with this.  This program in Eugene is a step in the right direction for several of the nagging issues our culture has ignored.

https://truthout.org/wp-content/uploads/legacy/documents/starting_a_MCIP.pdf

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #382 on: June 23, 2020, 05:05:32 PM »
I wish humanity would put as much concern and urgency into mental health/addiction/substance abuse which is a much, much more damaging pandemic than COVID is or ever will be. Not at the expense of contact tracing/limiting our personal freedoms though.

That's a subjective statement, and a very interesting one.

One: Presumes humanity isn't putting as much concern or urgency into those issues as COVID. Which is an interesting take. There is a lot of media attention on COVID right now, but to say we don't spend money on those other issues is a bit troubling to me. Trump is building a multi billion dollar border wall to keep out the drug dealers. Less tongue in cheek, annual drug control spending in the US is over 20 billion a year - double the annual budget of the CDC. This is before we get into money spent on mental health, the existence of alcoholics anonymous, etc...
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Two: "a much, much more damaging pandemic than COVID is or ever will be". Interesting. 70,000 or so US Citizens were lost to drug overdoses in 2019. We are at 120k and rising in 2020 for COVID. Substance abuse deaths will repeat this year, and on and on, though we don't really have a pure statement that COVID will just vanish. Prior to the Measles vaccine, it was killing tens of thousands per year in a much smaller, less mobile population. Had we not come up with a vaccine, the deaths due to measles would swamp substance addiction.

Three: "Not at the expense of contact tracing/limiting our personal freedoms though". I'm not going to go through the history of this board, but I'm guessing you are on team "San Francisco is gross with all the stoned out homeless people shooting up on the streets". If we throw them in jail, is that not limiting their personal freedom?

It really is amusing how little you think about what you post before hitting the enter key

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #384 on: June 23, 2020, 09:18:10 PM »
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I actually do put a lot of thought into what I say. Not because I’m necessarily expressing my thoughts or opinions, but because I’m trying to elicit the thoughts and opinions of others.

For some straight shooting: No, I don’t think incarceration is the answer to addiction and mental health.

I think SF is an amazing place but it is a Mecca for people who need help because SF is accepting of that culture.

And no I have NEVER seen any kind of unified response to mental health/addiction issues like what we’ve seen for COVID.

Sure count just the overdoses. Don’t forget about the rampant rise in suicide, the tens of millions of Americans on antidepressants with zero psychiatric oversight, the people who commit mass murders, the people who torment and beat their family members and children, the list goes on and on and on.

The long term destruction caused by these things can’t even be calculated because in most cases they are both a congenital and conditioned behavior that perpetuates itself for generation upon generation.

Maybe if we shut down the economy for a couple months and blast it on the news 24/7 and pour 4-6 trillion into treatment we can start destigmatizing one of the biggest public health crises our nation has ever known.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #385 on: June 25, 2020, 11:15:45 AM »
Maybe I hit the wrong button somewhere along the line, but I was able to unlock the topic.

So, don't blame Custard for locking the topic (unless everyone has the power to lock and unlock topics).
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #386 on: June 25, 2020, 11:45:06 AM »
Houston, we have a problem.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #387 on: June 25, 2020, 11:58:29 AM »
Houston, we have a problem.

Wondering if I had that power since I started the topic.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #388 on: June 25, 2020, 01:09:37 PM »
Houston, we have a problem.

So does the Secret Service.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #389 on: June 25, 2020, 01:19:21 PM »
Having witnessed the Grand Canyon cult in person, I have complete faith in their dedication to spreading Covid to every single grandparent in Arizona.