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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4695 on: September 04, 2022, 12:31:21 PM »
"Final discussion
Regular use of ivermectin led to a 100% reduction in hospitalization rate, a 92% reduction in mortality rate, and an 86% reduction in the risk of dying from COVID-19 when compared to non-users. Irregular use of ivermectin led to a 51% reduction in the risk of dying, a 29% reduction in hospitalization rate, and a 37% reduction in mortality rate from COVID-19. Statistically significant reductions in hospitalization (100%) and mortality rates (84%), and risk of dying from COVID-19 (72%) were observed in regular users when compared to irregular users."

https://www.cureus.com/articles/111851-regular-use-of-ivermectin-as-prophylaxis-for-covid-19-led-up-to-a-92-reduction-in-covid-19-mortality-rate-in-a-dose-response-manner-results-of-a-prospective-observational-study-of-a-strictly-controlled-population-of-88012-subjects#article-information-publication-history
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4696 on: September 04, 2022, 02:05:24 PM »
Quote from: Mn on September 04, 2022, 12:31:21 PM
"Final discussion
Regular use of ivermectin led to a 100% reduction in hospitalization rate, a 92% reduction in mortality rate, and an 86% reduction in the risk of dying from COVID-19 when compared to non-users. Irregular use of ivermectin led to a 51% reduction in the risk of dying, a 29% reduction in hospitalization rate, and a 37% reduction in mortality rate from COVID-19. Statistically significant reductions in hospitalization (100%) and mortality rates (84%), and risk of dying from COVID-19 (72%) were observed in regular users when compared to irregular users."

https://www.cureus.com/articles/111851-regular-use-of-ivermectin-as-prophylaxis-for-covid-19-led-up-to-a-92-reduction-in-covid-19-mortality-rate-in-a-dose-response-manner-results-of-a-prospective-observational-study-of-a-strictly-controlled-population-of-88012-subjects#article-information-publication-history

This study is a retrospective analysis of routinely collected clinical registry data from a Brazilian city where apparently the whole population was offered Ivermectin.  It is not a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial.  The study also has multiple limitations that call the reliability of its conclusions into question.
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/ivermectin-study-itajai-contains-methodological-weaknesses-questionable-conclusions/

There are several large clinical trials on the safety and efficacy of the use of Ivermectin to treat COVID-19.  They will be available in the coming months and should provide a more definitive answer as to whether Ivermectin is beneficial, or not.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4697 on: September 04, 2022, 02:25:05 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on September 04, 2022, 02:05:24 PM
This study is a retrospective analysis of routinely collected clinical registry data from a Brazilian city where apparently the whole population was offered Ivermectin.  It is not a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial.  The study also has multiple limitations that call the reliability of its conclusions into question.
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/ivermectin-study-itajai-contains-methodological-weaknesses-questionable-conclusions/

There are several large clinical trials on the safety and efficacy of the use of Ivermectin to treat COVID-19.  They will be available in the coming months and should provide a more definitive answer as to whether Ivermectin is beneficial, or not.

Tell me who is paying for them and I’ll tell you what the results will be.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4698 on: September 04, 2022, 03:11:25 PM »
Quote from: Custard on September 04, 2022, 02:25:05 PM
Tell me who is paying for them and I’ll tell you what the results will be.

There’s a good chance that you and I will help pay for the clinical trials.   
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4699 on: September 04, 2022, 05:04:40 PM »
I read up a little on ivermectin. The first time I saw the word I thought it was livermectin. It is a good treatment for parasites available in different doses and formulations for animals and humans.

It appears it may also have some limited antiviral and anti-inflammatory properties making it marginally effective in treating and relieving the symptoms of Covid.  Sound familiar?

Chloroquine  and Hydroxychloroquine are  antiparasitics with some possible antiviral and anti-inflammatory properties.

However, self treatment with ivermectin formulations intended for animals is hazardous. One would need a doctor or no willing to prescribe off label.

Meanwhile, it appears there are more effective antivirals and monoclonal antibodies to treat covid.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4700 on: September 15, 2022, 10:19:31 AM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4701 on: September 15, 2022, 08:22:10 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on September 15, 2022, 10:19:31 AM
Mn!

https://www.thedailybeast.com/lancet-report-claiming-covid-could-have-come-from-us-lab-met-with-uproar?source=articles&via=rss
You ran this past me a month and a half ago.
Angela Rasmussen receives support from Wellcome Trust, home of Jeremy Farrar.
And Rasmussen joins the Proximal Origins authors and Michael Worobey in a study funded by ......
you guessed it.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4702 on: September 15, 2022, 10:36:39 PM »
Quote from: Mn on September 15, 2022, 08:22:10 PM
You ran this past me a month and a half ago.
Angela Rasmussen receives support from Wellcome Trust, home of Jeremy Farrar.
And Rasmussen joins the Proximal Origins authors and Michael Worobey in a study funded by ......
you guessed it.



This one claims it could have leaked from a US lab.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4703 on: September 16, 2022, 06:42:58 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on September 15, 2022, 10:36:39 PM
This one claims it could have leaked from a US lab.
Well, the headline mentions a leak, being met by uproars, anyway.
But, but the lab leak claim is the work of conspirators.  ;D

"But concerns have been raised about the commission’s chairman ...... and his previous comments about the origins of COVID."
" Rasmussen said, adding that she’d been “pretty shocked at how flagrantly” the report had ignored important evidence about the origin of COVID. "
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4704 on: October 03, 2022, 06:12:56 AM »
Peter,

You've got my back, I've got your back.

Best,
Tony





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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4705 on: October 08, 2022, 02:20:55 PM »
"This analysis found that there is an 84% increase in the relative incidence of cardiac-related death among males 18-39 years old within 28 days following mRNA vaccination.....
As such, the State Surgeon General recommends against males aged 18 to 39 from receiving mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. Those with preexisting cardiac conditions, such as myocarditis and pericarditis, should take particular caution when making this decision."
https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/FLDOH/bulletins/3312697
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4706 on: October 08, 2022, 03:48:02 PM »
What is the plausible cause and effect mechanism? What about Mrna vaccines caused them to single out 18 to 39 males and give them heart attacks?

What was the cardiac-related death rate in the control group?

Apparently, the authors of the analysis wrote this “could be due to confounding...”

None of the gleeful right wing articles address that.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4707 on: October 08, 2022, 03:56:03 PM »
Question: “Would you recommend the applicant for employment as a surgeon general of Florida and confidence in his ability, honesty and integrity to perform related duties?” Answer: “No. In my opinion the people of Florida would be better served by a surgeon general who grounds his policy decisions and recommendations in the best scientific evidence rather than opinions.”
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« Reply #4708 on: October 08, 2022, 04:20:39 PM »
"To date, only eight deaths owing to COVID-19 mRNA-vaccine-associated myocarditis have been reported"[last December]

Does that possibly contextualize an 89% increased risk?

The article does suggest possible mechanisms.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-021-00662-w
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4709 on: October 08, 2022, 04:43:21 PM »
Australia Government Dept of Health and Aged Care

"For most people, a primary vaccination course consists of 2 doses.

A third primary dose is recommended for people aged 6 months or older with severe immunocompromise."

"A second booster dose (that is a 4th dose) is recommended for people in the following groups, 3 months after the first booster dose:

people 50 years or older
residents aged 16 years and older of an aged care or disability care facility
people aged 16 years and older who have complex, chronic, or severe medical conditions that increase their risk of severe illness from COVID-19
people aged 16 years and older with disability with significant or complex health needs, or multiple comorbidities that increase the risk of poor outcome from COVID-19.
People aged 30 to 49 years can receive a second booster dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, but the benefit for people in this age group is less certain. ATAGI encourages people in this age group to have a discussion with their regular medical provider to review their individual health needs and the benefits and risks of a second booster dose.

"A second booster dose (that is a 4th dose) is recommended for people in the following groups, 3 months after the first booster dose:

people 50 years or older
residents aged 16 years and older of an aged care or disability care facility
people aged 16 years and older who have complex, chronic, or severe medical conditions that increase their risk of severe illness from COVID-19
people aged 16 years and older with disability with significant or complex health needs, or multiple comorbidities that increase the risk of poor outcome from COVID-19."

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/advice-for-providers/clinical-guidance/clinical-recommendations#booster-dose-recommendations-


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