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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4515 on: April 20, 2022, 04:08:47 PM »
I love how people paint very diverse schools of thought with a very wide brush to ensure their arguments have some landing spot.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4516 on: April 20, 2022, 04:14:15 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 20, 2022, 04:01:36 PM
You forget the part where they hate "public transportation" (as they do the post office) and would rather have it all privatized so grifters can grift.

Masks make sense for mass transit in general. Private or public.  Mainly to reduce the risk of infected passengers spreading the virus.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4517 on: April 20, 2022, 04:14:29 PM »
Quote from: Custard on April 20, 2022, 04:08:47 PM
I love how people paint very diverse schools of thought with a very wide brush to ensure their arguments have some landing spot.

Not sure there are very diverse schools of thought these days that are meaningful in the public discourse. It is the Trumpists versus the Squad. Which reminds me of this that I read the other day:

https://www.slowboring.com/p/rigorous-accurate-policy-analysis?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoyNzczMzg3LCJwb3N0X2lkIjo1MjI3NTQ5NiwiXyI6IjJBbVN4IiwiaWF0IjoxNjUwNDg5MTYzLCJleHAiOjE2NTA0OTI3NjMsImlzcyI6InB1Yi0xNTkxODUiLCJzdWIiOiJwb3N0LXJlYWN0aW9uIn0.ISAGaW9Al4FYiOze7HzEpr51NZKGIsFbGd6pgLyULz8&s=r

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Here’s a kind of banal idea that I’ve been thinking about: the rich donors and well-endowed foundations who fund policy analysis and advocacy organizations in D.C. ought to put more emphasis on things like “try to come up with the correct answer” and “explain the truth in a clear way” and less emphasis on being a good team player.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4518 on: April 20, 2022, 04:16:52 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 20, 2022, 04:14:15 PM
Masks make sense for mass transit in general. Private or public.  Mainly to reduce the risk of infected passengers spreading the virus.

I understand it. But when your goal is to destroy government services, for example, you want people who can avoid taking public transportation when push comes to shove to be scared of taking public transportation. Now, granted, Lori Lightfoot is currently doing a better job than the GOP at this in Chicago.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4519 on: April 20, 2022, 05:56:41 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 20, 2022, 04:14:29 PM
Not sure there are very diverse schools of thought these days that are meaningful in the public discourse. It is the Trumpists versus the Squad. Which reminds me of this that I read the other day:

https://www.slowboring.com/p/rigorous-accurate-policy-analysis?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoyNzczMzg3LCJwb3N0X2lkIjo1MjI3NTQ5NiwiXyI6IjJBbVN4IiwiaWF0IjoxNjUwNDg5MTYzLCJleHAiOjE2NTA0OTI3NjMsImlzcyI6InB1Yi0xNTkxODUiLCJzdWIiOiJwb3N0LXJlYWN0aW9uIn0.ISAGaW9Al4FYiOze7HzEpr51NZKGIsFbGd6pgLyULz8&s=r

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There are millions and millions of people who fall in between The Squad and the Trumpists. Probably most people. But Nichi sure doesn’t think so.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4520 on: April 20, 2022, 05:59:17 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 20, 2022, 03:34:50 PM
It goes without saying that actions rooted in compassion are morally superior to actions rooted in selfish interest. That does not always work out well in practice. Republicans pay lip service to Jesus, but practice objectivism.

Mask mandates for public transportation is such a strange fight for the right wing.  They are literally defending the right of infected people to spread the virus.
Not only that, public transportation is for them blacks
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4521 on: April 20, 2022, 06:06:39 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 20, 2022, 04:16:52 PM
I understand it. But when your goal is to destroy government services, for example, you want people who can avoid taking public transportation when push comes to shove to be scared of taking public transportation. Now, granted, Lori Lightfoot is currently doing a better job than the GOP at this in Chicago.
Scared of public transportation because it must be bad because we are requiring masks.
Not scared of NCAA tournament games because no masks required.

I understand that there are a lot of people out there who are irrational.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4522 on: April 20, 2022, 06:28:53 PM »
Quote from: Custard on April 20, 2022, 05:56:41 PM
There are millions and millions of people who fall in between The Squad and the Trumpists. Probably most people. But Nichi sure doesn’t think so.

I can only speak for Illiniray. I know of a lot of former Republicans who disagree with the nationalists. If they speak up; they get
ridiculed, smeared, and even threatened.

I am sure there are a lot of Democrat voters who are disillusioned with their Party for various reasons. That said,

Most recent polls I can find, Trump 82% favorable with Republicans; AOC 75% favorable with Democrats.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4523 on: April 20, 2022, 07:44:30 PM »
Quote from: Custard on April 20, 2022, 05:56:41 PM
There are millions and millions of people who fall in between The Squad and the Trumpists. Probably most people. But Nichi sure doesn’t think so.

Of course there are. But they don't get heard.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4524 on: April 20, 2022, 07:50:18 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on April 20, 2022, 06:06:39 PM
Scared of public transportation because it must be bad because we are requiring masks.
Not scared of NCAA tournament games because no masks required.

I understand that there are a lot of people out there who are irrational.

Huh? The point is that public transportation was currently bad enough in Chicago with the mask mandate due to rampant, highly publicized, criminality. Taking away the mask mandate won't bring people back. Maybe, given the dregs left riding it, this will cause even more people to say "I'll take an Uber to work." Or not.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4525 on: April 20, 2022, 09:06:07 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 20, 2022, 04:14:15 PM
Masks make sense for mass transit in general. Private or public.  Mainly to reduce the risk of infected passengers spreading the virus.

I rode public transit for decades when I lived downtown, never once worrying about getting sick or someone with a cough in my general area.  Sure is strange how times changed so quickly over a not so deadly coronavirus
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4526 on: April 20, 2022, 09:21:29 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on April 20, 2022, 09:06:07 PM
I rode public transit for decades when I lived downtown, never once worrying about getting sick or someone with a cough in my general area.  Sure is strange how times changed so quickly over a not so deadly coronavirus

You haven't seen who is left taking public transportation in Chicago when everyone is working remotely.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4527 on: April 20, 2022, 09:24:30 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on April 20, 2022, 09:06:07 PM
I rode public transit for decades when I lived downtown, never once worrying about getting sick or someone with a cough in my general area.  Sure is strange how times changed so quickly over a not so deadly coronavirus
You never worried about it, and that explains why you caught severe mental illness.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4528 on: April 20, 2022, 09:25:32 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 20, 2022, 09:21:29 PM
You haven't seen who is left taking public transportation in Chicago when everyone is working remotely.
this is the real answer of course. "No" transportation

Sadly, the Big G has people going back to work, and traffic here is shit. I'm not driving around in it, but see it walking my dog.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4529 on: April 20, 2022, 09:49:28 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 20, 2022, 09:21:29 PM
You haven't seen who is left taking public transportation in Chicago when everyone is working remotely.

Seems to reflect the ongoing “choice riders” vs “captive riders” dynamic that all public transit agencies grapple with.  The pandemic added remote working to the equation and transit ridership levels dropped.  Will be interesting to see if ridership rebounds over the six months or so. 
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