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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4485 on: April 01, 2022, 12:18:36 PM »
I got an email article this AM about how the handling of  disagreements in the scientific community has been a thing. Talked about a group that formed in Britain to take on the British "CDC" re COVID and was transparent etc. when offering advice to the public that was contrary etc. to what officials were providing.

Written by this dude:
Zeynep Pamuk is assistant professor in the Department of Political Science,
University of California, San Diego and author of the book Politics and Expertise: How to Use Science in a Democratic Society.
How many times were the 2 Brits, Daszak and Farrar, mentioned in the Vanity Fair article ?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4486 on: April 01, 2022, 01:19:52 PM »
I got an email article this AM about how the handling of  disagreements in the scientific community has been a thing.

Just realizing this? Holy shit the way dissenting scientists and studies were quashed and blackballed throughout the pandemic was terrifying and is one of the main reasons everyone got so paranoid of the info being passed along by legacy media. And, in retrospect, often rightfully so.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4487 on: April 01, 2022, 01:23:50 PM »
Just realizing this? Holy shit the way dissenting scientists and studies were quashed and blackballed throughout the pandemic was terrifying and is one of the main reasons everyone got so paranoid of the info being passed along by legacy media. And, in retrospect, often rightfully so.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4488 on: April 01, 2022, 01:26:28 PM »
...Some new stuff to me. But a lot of known info also.
Vanity Fair gets the green light to write about it, just like CNN, WaPo and the NYT got the green light on the laptop.
I didn't look at any of the links or attachments tho.
I wish these articles would be written with more of a chronological order.

Katherine Eban is a good investigative reporter.   Nobody gave her the green light.   Nor is this her first in-depth article on the lab-leak theories.
The Lab-Leak Theory: Inside the Fight to Uncover COVID-19’s Origins
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins

She said there’s plenty of blame to go around for the initial suspicions about the theories, including the stonewalling of investigators by China’s authoritarian regime, coupled with zero credibility on the part of the U.S. due to Trump’s track record of mendacity and race-baiting. 

It’s doubtful we will ever know the truth because so much time has gone by.  As one Stanford microbiology and immunology professor put it, “with every passing day and week, the kinds of information that might prove helpful will have a tendency to dissipate and disappear.  The world ages and things get moved, and biological signals degrade.”

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4489 on: April 01, 2022, 01:33:22 PM »
Just realizing this? Holy shit the way dissenting scientists and studies were quashed and blackballed throughout the pandemic was terrifying and is one of the main reasons everyone got so paranoid of the info being passed along by legacy media. And, in retrospect, often rightfully so.

Being a scientist today is not fun:

Death Threats, Trolling Common for Scientists Who Speak to Media About COVID
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-10-14/death-threats-trolling-common-for-scientists-who-speak-to-media-about-covid

‘I hope you die’: how the COVID pandemic unleashed attacks on scientists
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02741-x
« Last Edit: April 01, 2022, 01:43:09 PM by alum74 »

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4490 on: April 01, 2022, 03:55:15 PM »
Being a scientist today is not fun:

Death Threats, Trolling Common for Scientists Who Speak to Media About COVID
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-10-14/death-threats-trolling-common-for-scientists-who-speak-to-media-about-covid

‘I hope you die’: how the COVID pandemic unleashed attacks on scientists
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02741-x

There's a good documentary on Netflix about this called Don't Look Up

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4491 on: April 02, 2022, 10:54:50 AM »
Just realizing this? Holy shit the way dissenting scientists and studies were quashed and blackballed throughout the pandemic was terrifying and is one of the main reasons everyone got so paranoid of the info being passed along by legacy media. And, in retrospect, often rightfully so.

The article noted that there was disingenuousness in studies released countering the narrative as well. Ergo, the focus on the British group as an example of how to do it properly.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4492 on: April 02, 2022, 11:53:18 AM »
The article noted that there was disingenuousness in studies released countering the narrative as well. Ergo, the focus on the British group as an example of how to do it properly.
Link ? .
Are differences of opinion discussed, or is it 'anything but a zoonotic origin is a conspiracy theory' ?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4494 on: April 11, 2022, 07:10:08 PM »
Tempo, Ray, Alum, Smurph, McLassie: Raging FOR the machine since 2020 !!!

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4495 on: April 11, 2022, 08:01:49 PM »
Nothing to see here right Alum69 and Nichi ?

Thoughts MN ?


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/03/the-virus-hunting-nonprofit-at-the-center-of-the-lab-leak-controversy

Actually, PAMan brought up that column on March 31.
For some reason, the origin of the virus is a non-issue.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4496 on: April 11, 2022, 08:11:09 PM »
Actually, PAMan brought up that column on March 31.
For some reason, the origin of the virus is a non-issue.

I won't say "I don't care if the virus was a lab leak" but it's accurate to say "I know that I personally cannot do anything about whether or not it was a lab leak, I pay a lot of taxes to people whose job it would be to research that and make an appropriate response"

However, there is a LOT that I can personally do as part of the public response to the existence of COVID. Getting a bunch of yahoos distracted about the lab leak story instead of getting their asses vaccinated, is a huge loss.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4497 on: April 11, 2022, 08:54:07 PM »
Actually, PAMan brought up that column on March 31.
For some reason, the origin of the virus is a non-issue.

I guess Gelato has me on block.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4498 on: April 11, 2022, 09:07:28 PM »
I guess Gelato has me on block.
I think I linked your post the next morning tho.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4499 on: April 11, 2022, 09:48:36 PM »
Scientists struggle to probe COVID’s origins amid sparse data from China
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00732-0

We may never get a satisfactory answer, but we can still work to prevent future pandemics.  Here’s a few options for improving safety in laboratories AND preventing natural spillovers:   
https://www.vox.com/22527717/covid-19-lab-leak-debate-natural-spillover-pandemic-prevention