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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #885 on: September 28, 2020, 04:03:24 PM »
honestly I don't really care, whatever gets the information out that this virus is not as deadly as thought back in march and we need to get back to our normal lives, and to turn off the fucking fear mongering news because listening to them is destroying the country.

Good luck with that. Based on how the economy is going, it appears that not many people want to run the risk of being the one guy in the "I know a guy who knows a guy who died from the COVID." 

If it gets people out of bed and excited for life rather than suicidal I'd say its a valuable campaign.

Sound like sissy snowflakes to me. Ride it out and stop being a bitch. My great uncle was not one of the first Marines shot on Guadalcanal so the Trumpists can whine about wearing a fucking mask....
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #886 on: September 28, 2020, 04:57:50 PM »
The CDC’s new estimate, for the first time, is broken down by age groups. Here is what the CDC calls its “current best estimate” of chances of dying from the virus if you get infected:

1 out of 34,000 for ages 0 to 19;

1 out of 5,000 for ages 20 to 49;

1 out of 200 for ages 50 to 69; and

1 out of 20 for ages 70 and up.

Here’s another way to look at the same numbers. If you get infected, your chances of surviving are as follows:

Age Group                                           Probability of Survival

0-19:                                                    99.997%
20-49:                                                  99.98%
50-69:                                                  99.5%
70+:                                                     94.6%

The CDC’s numbers are actually published as what’s called the “Infection Fatality Ratio” or IFR. The relevant portion of their chart is reproduced below. We’ve just stated their numbers a different way and rounded a bit. IFR includes, as those who were “infected,” those who got the virus but never got sick or displayed symptoms.

The CDC’s “best estimate” may be off and it offered other scenarios, also shown in the chart below. They are all very low, however, as you can see. For those age 20-49, for example, even under the worse case scenario, the IFR is only .0003. That means your chances of dying even if you got infected would be 1 out of 3,333.

Estimates of COVID’s lethality have been dropping regularly. In March, when most of the nation went into lockdown, Dr. Anthony Fauci estimated the mortality rate at about 2% and the World Health Organization pegged it at about 3.4%. Both are far higher than the current CDC estimate.

Those earlier numbers, which were far more frightening, got extensive press coverage. Very little media attention, however, has gone toward the new numbers.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html


and thats even if you actually get infected with it which is also infinitesimally small as well (about 1/100)


but yeah we definitely should destroy the economy and never have large gatherings or fun ever again
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #887 on: September 28, 2020, 05:26:18 PM »
Many business owners understand that you can’t gaslight a virus.   

‘Why are we pretending it’s all over?’ Miami restaurants wrestle with new COVID rules

"Jimmy Flanigan walked into his family’s packed Flanigan’s Restaurant in Coconut Grove Friday night, three hours after Gov. Ron DeSantis approved 100 percent inside seating, and thought it looked too busy."

“A crowd gathered to watch the Miami Heat play an 8:30 p.m. playoff game Sept. 25 on more than a dozen televisions. Patrons were standing shoulder-to-shoulder. The bar was steadily serving drinks.”

“'It was a little scary walking into a Flanigan’s after six months and seeing it full,' said Flanigan, CEO and president of the South Florida-based chain of 24 sports-bar-style restaurants. 'It was too busy. So we backed off to 50 percent.'”

“Flanigan said half of the patrons he was seeing ‘didn’t have a worry in the world. They don’t have COVID on their minds.’ He said he fears moving too quickly to fill up businesses again will lead to another outbreak — and that is bad for public health and his business.”

“'If our staff starts getting sick, and we have to close down again, what good does it do us?' he said."

https://www.miamiherald.com/miami-com/restaurants/article246063075.html?utm_source=pushly&intcid=pushly_674904

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #888 on: September 28, 2020, 05:32:36 PM »


but yeah we definitely should destroy the economy and never have large gatherings or fun ever again

In the time you took to write this up, you could have put on a mask, not spread that shit, and we could shortly go out and have fun again.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #889 on: September 28, 2020, 05:43:54 PM »
The CDC’s new estimate, for the first time, is broken down by age groups. Here is what the CDC calls its “current best estimate” of chances of dying from the virus if you get infected:

1 out of 34,000 for ages 0 to 19;

1 out of 5,000 for ages 20 to 49;

1 out of 200 for ages 50 to 69; and

1 out of 20 for ages 70 and up.

Here’s another way to look at the same numbers. If you get infected, your chances of surviving are as follows:

Age Group                                           Probability of Survival

0-19:                                                    99.997%
20-49:                                                  99.98%
50-69:                                                  99.5%
70+:                                                     94.6%

The CDC’s numbers are actually published as what’s called the “Infection Fatality Ratio” or IFR. The relevant portion of their chart is reproduced below. We’ve just stated their numbers a different way and rounded a bit. IFR includes, as those who were “infected,” those who got the virus but never got sick or displayed symptoms.

The CDC’s “best estimate” may be off and it offered other scenarios, also shown in the chart below. They are all very low, however, as you can see. For those age 20-49, for example, even under the worse case scenario, the IFR is only .0003. That means your chances of dying even if you got infected would be 1 out of 3,333.

Estimates of COVID’s lethality have been dropping regularly. In March, when most of the nation went into lockdown, Dr. Anthony Fauci estimated the mortality rate at about 2% and the World Health Organization pegged it at about 3.4%. Both are far higher than the current CDC estimate.

Those earlier numbers, which were far more frightening, got extensive press coverage. Very little media attention, however, has gone toward the new numbers.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html


and thats even if you actually get infected with it which is also infinitesimally small as well (about 1/100)


but yeah we definitely should destroy the economy and never have large gatherings or fun ever again

And more to the point - if we just blow it off - what are the numbers of people who are hospitalized? While in the hospital, people are not contributing to the economy, they are draining the economy. We make money by reducing hospitalizations, not just deaths.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #890 on: September 28, 2020, 06:27:20 PM »
And more to the point - if we just blow it off - what are the numbers of people who are hospitalized? While in the hospital, people are not contributing to the economy, they are draining the economy. We make money by reducing hospitalizations, not just deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html#hospitalizations

hospitalizations and deaths have been going down for months now, herd immunity is a real thing... and a huge percentage of hospitalizations are either elderly people who don't work, or people on disability who don't work...

did you know that out of 50 THOUSAND college student positive cases, they have had only 2 hospitalizations?  Thats probably 100x lower than the normal alcohol related amount of hospitalizations on college campuses lol

I can't believe someone as smart as you is this dumb
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #891 on: September 28, 2020, 08:05:27 PM »
Yeah. And besides, who doesn't enjoy feeling like shit for twelve days?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #892 on: September 28, 2020, 08:21:56 PM »
In the time you took to write this up, you could have put on a mask, not spread that shit, and we could shortly go out and have fun again.

What needs to happen so we can go out and have fun again shortly?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #893 on: September 28, 2020, 08:23:45 PM »
Everyone is way too invested in this debate to fold now. It’s time to double down!
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #894 on: September 28, 2020, 09:07:54 PM »
What needs to happen so we can go out and have fun again shortly?

Universal testing + universal two weeks isolation.

I'm not sure what we'd do with the homeless, but could probably accommodate the heart attacks.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #895 on: September 28, 2020, 09:17:45 PM »
Then what
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #896 on: September 28, 2020, 09:20:00 PM »
Isolate the positives. Everybody else goes back to normal.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #897 on: September 28, 2020, 09:32:05 PM »
If every American was a rational adult with two weeks’ worth of essentials and a safe place to isolate in, AND the test could tell who was in the process of getting infected, this would be a great idea.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #898 on: September 28, 2020, 09:37:46 PM »
Seems reasonable Rob.

Let me know when ILLove is 1 of the x in those mortality numbers.  I'll feel a lot better then about the statistical chances of a family member NOT being the 1 in that age range.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #899 on: September 28, 2020, 09:38:57 PM »
The spit test is pretty fast. Instantaneous results are the linchpin.

The QAnon resistance will diminish significantly when people realize that we will actually throw them in jail.

But yes, we really will have to throw people in jail. We did it in 1942. We can do it again.