* *

User

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

May 23, 2026, 11:52:19 AM

Login with username, password and session length

Recent

Stats

Members
  • Total Members: 142
  • Latest: Hal9000
Stats
  • Total Posts: 179529
  • Total Topics: 1495
  • Online Today: 381
  • Online Ever: 4316
  • (October 16, 2025, 04:40:42 PM)
Users Online
Users: 0
Guests: 266
Total: 266

« previous next »
Pages: 1 ... 305 306 [307] 308 309 ... 445   Go Down

WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

  • 6668 Replies
  • 896342 Views

0 Members and 6 Guests are viewing this topic.

*

ThePAMan

  • *****
  • 31768
  • +609/-2445
  • Because "PussyMan" and "PenisMan" were trademarked
    • View Profile
Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4590 on: June 16, 2022, 08:00:02 AM »
Mn! They are covering up the lab origins of the Black Plague now!

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-06-black-death-mystery-years.html
Logged
Mark Carman: "The Whitlock!...Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock." Been told I need to take my dick out my mouth so maybe I "wont [sic] sound like such a fucking faggot all the time[.]"

Tempo: "PAMan is a pot stirrer and agent provocateur"
*

Somewhere in Mn

  • *****
  • 12706
  • +179/-2614
    • View Profile
Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4591 on: June 16, 2022, 08:22:38 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 16, 2022, 08:00:02 AM
Mn! They are covering up the lab origins of the Black Plague now!

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-06-black-death-mystery-years.html
They were probably doing gain of function research too.
"When you have one or two years with excess mortality it means that something funny was going on there," Slavin told reporters.

Lol.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2022, 10:10:19 AM by Mn »
Logged
*

Somewhere in Mn

  • *****
  • 12706
  • +179/-2614
    • View Profile
Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4592 on: June 16, 2022, 01:10:11 PM »
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/fauci-harvard-and-the-ccp/

"On the morning of Sunday February 2, 2020, Anthony Fauci, then in the middle of putting together America’s pandemic response, received an unusual email with a highly unusual request. The email, revealed as part of a tranche of FOIA documents requested by the Intercept, was from George Daley, the dean of Harvard Medical School. “Alan Garber, Harvard’s provost, and I met yesterday with a team led by Jack Xia, the CEO of China’s Evergrande Company, and Dr. Jack Liu, Evergrande’s chief health officer,” Daley wrote. Addressing the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases as “Tony,” he asked for “whatever information you are willing to share on your current efforts to coordinate a response.”

It was an odd question on its own: What business did Evergrande — then the most valuable real estate company on earth, but also widely known to be catastrophically indebted — have with the director of America’s pandemic response? But Daley’s next line was stranger still. “[Xia and Liu] stated thy [sic] were acting on behalf of Dr Zhong Nanshan, China’s key point person on the coronavirus outbreak (see below).” Below was an email from Evergrande’s Liu to Daley which, save for an opening line, is entirely redacted."





Anybody heard from Dr. Bacow ?
Logged
*

illiniray

  • *****
  • 9355
  • +626/-2098
    • View Profile
Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4593 on: June 26, 2022, 03:47:35 PM »
Maybe this has already been linked. Can't say I understand Gain of Function (GoF), but this helps:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02903-x

Technically, any genetic engineering that gives an organism new abilities would be a Gain of Function.  Apparently, the definition as applied to pathogen research has evolved.  it came to mean any research that improves a pathogen’s abilities to cause disease or spread from host to host.

But we don't really care unless it actually makes the pathogen more dangerous. So they came up up with Gain of Function of Concern. Still don't think GoFRoC resolves Paul versus Fauci.

Whether what they did at Wuhan indirectly funded by Ecohealth was GoFRoC is a matter of opinion.

"The chimeric viruses in the Wuhan Institute study were new viruses made in the lab. But the manipulations that made them did not enhance their ability to cause disease in humans. The starting virus, WIV1, could already infect human cells using ACE2. Although some scientists have argued that the work does constitute GOF, at the time the research was approved, it was evaluated by NIAID and considered exempt from the funding pause."
Logged
“Taking a trip? Where to?”  -“Wherever I end up, I guess. -“Man, I wish I was you." -Well, hang in there.”
*

ThePAMan

  • *****
  • 31768
  • +609/-2445
  • Because "PussyMan" and "PenisMan" were trademarked
    • View Profile
Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4594 on: June 26, 2022, 04:40:27 PM »
Fauci will be indicted by February, 2024. Book it. THEPAThey will take the Tempo AOTC Award out of QAnon97' cold, dead hands.
Logged
Mark Carman: "The Whitlock!...Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock." Been told I need to take my dick out my mouth so maybe I "wont [sic] sound like such a fucking faggot all the time[.]"

Tempo: "PAMan is a pot stirrer and agent provocateur"
*

illiniray

  • *****
  • 9355
  • +626/-2098
    • View Profile
Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4595 on: June 26, 2022, 07:21:17 PM »
Quote from: Mn on June 16, 2022, 01:10:11 PM
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/fauci-harvard-and-the-ccp/

"On the morning of Sunday February 2, 2020, Anthony Fauci, then in the middle of putting together America’s pandemic response, received an unusual email with a highly unusual request. The email, revealed as part of a tranche of FOIA documents requested by the Intercept, was from George Daley, the dean of Harvard Medical School. “Alan Garber, Harvard’s provost, and I met yesterday with a team led by Jack Xia, the CEO of China’s Evergrande Company, and Dr. Jack Liu, Evergrande’s chief health officer,” Daley wrote. Addressing the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases as “Tony,” he asked for “whatever information you are willing to share on your current efforts to coordinate a response.”

It was an odd question on its own: What business did Evergrande — then the most valuable real estate company on earth, but also widely known to be catastrophically indebted — have with the director of America’s pandemic response? But Daley’s next line was stranger still. “[Xia and Liu] stated thy [sic] were acting on behalf of Dr Zhong Nanshan, China’s key point person on the coronavirus outbreak (see below).” Below was an email from Evergrande’s Liu to Daley which, save for an opening line, is entirely redacted."





Anybody heard from Dr. Bacow ?

I wondered if anyone besides the Spectator and Rubio were interested in this. Found a little:

Groups will share $115M to search for better diagnosis, treatment; Medical School to serve as U.S. research hub
Ekaterian Pesheva
HMS Communications

February 24, 2020

Through a five-year collaborative research initiative, Harvard and the Guangzhou Institute will share $115 million in research funding provided by China Evergrande Group, a Fortune Global 500 company in China.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/02/harvard-and-china-collaborate-on-coronavirus-therapies/

Experts Criticize Senator Marco Rubio’s Letter Questioning Harvard’s Ties to China

Senator Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) alleged without direct evidence that Harvard officials may have helped suppress some theories regarding the origins of Covid-19 in a “quid pro quo” ...

The unsubstantiated allegations in the letter — which have drawn criticism from U.S.-China scholars — center around a donation that the Chinese real estate conglomerate Evergrande Group pledged to Harvard Medical School in early 2020.

The $115 million pledge helped establish a research collaboration between American and Chinese scientists in February 2020. But Evergrande later reneged on its pledge after contributing only $12 million, according to a January report in the Boston Globe.
...
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2022/6/26/rubio-letter-evergrande/
Logged
“Taking a trip? Where to?”  -“Wherever I end up, I guess. -“Man, I wish I was you." -Well, hang in there.”
*

ThePAMan

  • *****
  • 31768
  • +609/-2445
  • Because "PussyMan" and "PenisMan" were trademarked
    • View Profile
Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4596 on: June 26, 2022, 09:05:32 PM »
Little Marco shading the info in his letter, you say? Can't be true.
Logged
Mark Carman: "The Whitlock!...Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock." Been told I need to take my dick out my mouth so maybe I "wont [sic] sound like such a fucking faggot all the time[.]"

Tempo: "PAMan is a pot stirrer and agent provocateur"
*

Somewhere in Mn

  • *****
  • 12706
  • +179/-2614
    • View Profile
Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4597 on: June 27, 2022, 09:38:51 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 26, 2022, 03:47:35 PM
Maybe this has already been linked. Can't say I understand Gain of Function (GoF), but this helps:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02903-x

Technically, any genetic engineering that gives an organism new abilities would be a Gain of Function.  Apparently, the definition as applied to pathogen research has evolved.  it came to mean any research that improves a pathogen’s abilities to cause disease or spread from host to host.

But we don't really care unless it actually makes the pathogen more dangerous. So they came up up with Gain of Function of Concern. Still don't think GoFRoC resolves Paul versus Fauci.

Whether what they did at Wuhan indirectly funded by Ecohealth was GoFRoC is a matter of opinion.

"The chimeric viruses in the Wuhan Institute study were new viruses made in the lab. But the manipulations that made them did not enhance their ability to cause disease in humans. The starting virus, WIV1, could already infect human cells using ACE2. Although some scientists have argued that the work does constitute GOF, at the time the research was approved, it was evaluated by NIAID and considered exempt from the funding pause."
The article appears to be dated within about a week after Gain of Function and PPP3 wording was changed in the NIH website.

The 2016 Ecohealth grant required progress reports, which Ecohealth was not fully compliant with and required reminders of that lack of compliance to Ecohealth.

The grant request appears to have involved mentions of work at UNC, which NIH/NIAID reminded Ecohealth that any work outside of China required additional information.
Ecohealth's response ? Thank you for bringing that to our attention, it was a "clerical error".
Interesting that the author links to work being done by Ralph Baric at UNC.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2015.18787

The data ? I believe it's still under China review before it can be posted, as per the grant wording.

Re Gain of function terminology ?
Daszak emailed NIH/NIAID in July 2016 thanking them for lifting the funding on, in his own words,  "Gain of Function research".

Logged
*

illiniray

  • *****
  • 9355
  • +626/-2098
    • View Profile
Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4598 on: June 27, 2022, 03:09:42 PM »
Quote from: Mn on June 27, 2022, 09:38:51 AM
The article appears to be dated within about a week after Gain of Function and PPP3 wording was changed in the NIH website.

The 2016 Ecohealth grant required progress reports, which Ecohealth was not fully compliant with and required reminders of that lack of compliance to Ecohealth.

The grant request appears to have involved mentions of work at UNC, which NIH/NIAID reminded Ecohealth that any work outside of China required additional information.
Ecohealth's response ? Thank you for bringing that to our attention, it was a "clerical error".
Interesting that the author links to work being done by Ralph Baric at UNC.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2015.18787

The data ? I believe it's still under China review before it can be posted, as per the grant wording.

Re Gain of function terminology ?
Daszak emailed NIH/NIAID in July 2016 thanking them for lifting the funding on, in his own words,  "Gain of Function research".

What does "Gain of Function research" mean? I don't know. It appears to mean different things in different contexts.  In general, it seems to mean genetically altering organisms in ways that give them new abilities.  Would researching GMO foods apply?

Here we are talking in the context of microbiology, specifically pathogenic virology. But giving a virus new abilities is not a concern unless it makes it more infectious. Even then, it may or may not be deemed dangerous.

That seems to be the rationale behind distinguishing GoF in general from GoF of concern. When talking about a pause, that strikes me as reasonable. YMMV. 

It is not shocking that scientists differ when we get into gray areas. Some examples are clearly not of concern, others are, a few are debatable.

Ecohealth had a couple minor technical clerical errors? I am shocked! Suddenly the right cares about bureaucratic red tape and hoop jumping?

The author of the article "Amber Dance is an award-winning freelance science journalist based in Southern California. She earned a Ph.D. in biology from the University of California, San Diego, before retraining as a journalist at the University of California, Santa Cruz." -- bio

The author of the letter you posted is a Republican Senator. "He attended Tarkio College in Missouri for one year on a football scholarship before enrolling at Santa Fe Community College (now Santa Fe College) in Gainesville, Florida. He earned his Bachelor of Arts degree in political science from the University of Florida in 1993 and his Juris Doctor cum laude from the University of Miami School of Law" -- wiki
« Last Edit: June 27, 2022, 03:14:57 PM by illiniray »
Logged
“Taking a trip? Where to?”  -“Wherever I end up, I guess. -“Man, I wish I was you." -Well, hang in there.”
*

ThePAMan

  • *****
  • 31768
  • +609/-2445
  • Because "PussyMan" and "PenisMan" were trademarked
    • View Profile
Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4599 on: June 27, 2022, 04:13:31 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 27, 2022, 03:09:42 PM
What does "Gain of Function research" mean? I don't know. It appears to mean different things in different contexts.  In general, it seems to mean genetically altering organisms in ways that give them new abilities.  Would researching GMO foods apply?

Here we are talking in the context of microbiology, specifically pathogenic virology. But giving a virus new abilities is not a concern unless it makes it more infectious. Even then, it may or may not be deemed dangerous.

That seems to be the rationale behind distinguishing GoF in general from GoF of concern. When talking about a pause, that strikes me as reasonable. YMMV. 

It is not shocking that scientists differ when we get into gray areas. Some examples are clearly not of concern, others are, a few are debatable.

Ecohealth had a couple minor technical clerical errors? I am shocked! Suddenly the right cares about bureaucratic red tape and hoop jumping?

The author of the article "Amber Dance is an award-winning freelance science journalist based in Southern California. She earned a Ph.D. in biology from the University of California, San Diego, before retraining as a journalist at the University of California, Santa Cruz." -- bio

The author of the letter you posted is a Republican Senator. "He attended Tarkio College in Missouri for one year on a football scholarship before enrolling at Santa Fe Community College (now Santa Fe College) in Gainesville, Florida. He earned his Bachelor of Arts degree in political science from the University of Florida in 1993 and his Juris Doctor cum laude from the University of Miami School of Law" -- wiki

"retraining"

So are you saying that Robb would think Little Marco is dumber than JudgeJudy?
Logged
Mark Carman: "The Whitlock!...Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock." Been told I need to take my dick out my mouth so maybe I "wont [sic] sound like such a fucking faggot all the time[.]"

Tempo: "PAMan is a pot stirrer and agent provocateur"
*

illiniray

  • *****
  • 9355
  • +626/-2098
    • View Profile
Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4600 on: June 27, 2022, 04:36:09 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 27, 2022, 04:13:31 PM
"retraining"

So are you saying that Robb would think Little Marco is dumber than JudgeJudy?

wtf does Rob or Judy have to do with it? I am saying the journalist with the PhD in Biology has more credibility than the Republican hack lawyer politician.
Logged
“Taking a trip? Where to?”  -“Wherever I end up, I guess. -“Man, I wish I was you." -Well, hang in there.”
*

ThePAMan

  • *****
  • 31768
  • +609/-2445
  • Because "PussyMan" and "PenisMan" were trademarked
    • View Profile
Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4601 on: June 27, 2022, 04:56:49 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 27, 2022, 04:36:09 PM
wtf does Rob or Judy have to do with it? I am saying the journalist with the PhD in Biology has more credibility than the Republican hack lawyer politician.

I'll take that as a "Yes."

But she was "retrained". Maybe she forgot the biology stuff.
Logged
Mark Carman: "The Whitlock!...Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock." Been told I need to take my dick out my mouth so maybe I "wont [sic] sound like such a fucking faggot all the time[.]"

Tempo: "PAMan is a pot stirrer and agent provocateur"
*

illiniray

  • *****
  • 9355
  • +626/-2098
    • View Profile
Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4602 on: June 27, 2022, 05:06:07 PM »
You used a gender specific pronoun.

 Retrain "learn new skills so as to be able to do a different job"

« Last Edit: June 27, 2022, 05:07:40 PM by illiniray »
Logged
“Taking a trip? Where to?”  -“Wherever I end up, I guess. -“Man, I wish I was you." -Well, hang in there.”
*

ThePAMan

  • *****
  • 31768
  • +609/-2445
  • Because "PussyMan" and "PenisMan" were trademarked
    • View Profile
Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4603 on: June 27, 2022, 06:36:50 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 27, 2022, 05:06:07 PM
You used a gender specific pronoun.

 Retrain "learn new skills so as to be able to do a different job"

I did. But I then questioned your retort.

I am playing 3D Chess here, Nichi. Try and keep up.
Logged
Mark Carman: "The Whitlock!...Caleb Williams failed Wayne Whitlock." Been told I need to take my dick out my mouth so maybe I "wont [sic] sound like such a fucking faggot all the time[.]"

Tempo: "PAMan is a pot stirrer and agent provocateur"
*

illiniray

  • *****
  • 9355
  • +626/-2098
    • View Profile
Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4604 on: June 27, 2022, 06:41:05 PM »
The possibly menstruating person perhaps trained as journalist so they could write about biology. Their work demonstrates knowledge.
Logged
“Taking a trip? Where to?”  -“Wherever I end up, I guess. -“Man, I wish I was you." -Well, hang in there.”
Pages: 1 ... 305 306 [307] 308 309 ... 445   Go Up
« previous next »