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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1545 on: March 03, 2021, 02:40:12 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on March 03, 2021, 01:32:05 PM
This one from a guy I've worked with on various advocacy projects

https://twitter.com/acnetj/status/1367020804324556801

So I ask....why would Pelosi and Democrats want it in there then?! 🤔
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1546 on: March 03, 2021, 02:57:16 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on March 03, 2021, 02:40:12 PM
So I ask....why would Pelosi and Democrats want it in there then?! 🤔

I'll break character and respond to the troll account because this isn't actually a dumb question.

Transportation doesn't seem to pick and choose between parties when it comes to stupidity. In the end, the car rules all. Sanders can get up there and say that we need to stop the greedy corporations from emitting so much greenhouse gases, but the only reason Exxon is responsible for greenhouse gases is because consumers buy gasoline that they then burn in their cars. And the "Progressives" are worse on that issue than the "Conservatives". The "Conservatives" want rich people to be able to drive around everywhere. The "Progressives" want equality and want everyone to be able to drive around everywhere.

But yeah, we gotta put in some trains, right? Mass transit! But there is a huge disconnect between the people who have the power who advocate for projects (in this case the Silicon Valley Leadership Group), and the actual users who would use said projects. So the power brokers look at a map and draw a line and say "yeah, we gotta have a train there for that usage!" - like it's have a stop near the Shark Tank for 41 games a year that end at 11 PM so nobody wants to hop on a train that late and there is no traffic at that time, instead of going to an office park people go to daily.

Then we get into the "Jerbs!" thing.

It's a constant push/pull between "The Conservatives" who want to build nothing, and "The Progressives" who often want to build the wrong thing.
It's easier to convince "The Progressives" to build the right thing than it is to get "The Conservatives" to build anything, so there you go.

Footnote: Entirely possible the reason this was in the COVID bill was so that the Republicans could have a victory by killing something that could be tied to Pelosi, so they can vote for it after declaring VICTORY! FREEDOM! And if that's true, it's 50/50 whether is was some masterful chess move by Pelosi who fooled the Republicans, or that McCarthy and Pelosi met, decided upon something she would put in and the Repubicans would kill, and we are all just pawns in their game.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1547 on: March 03, 2021, 03:15:42 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on March 03, 2021, 02:57:16 PM
I'll break character and respond to the troll account because this isn't actually a dumb question.

Transportation doesn't seem to pick and choose between parties when it comes to stupidity. In the end, the car rules all. Sanders can get up there and say that we need to stop the greedy corporations from emitting so much greenhouse gases, but the only reason Exxon is responsible for greenhouse gases is because consumers buy gasoline that they then burn in their cars. And the "Progressives" are worse on that issue than the "Conservatives". The "Conservatives" want rich people to be able to drive around everywhere. The "Progressives" want equality and want everyone to be able to drive around everywhere.

But yeah, we gotta put in some trains, right? Mass transit! But there is a huge disconnect between the people who have the power who advocate for projects (in this case the Silicon Valley Leadership Group), and the actual users who would use said projects. So the power brokers look at a map and draw a line and say "yeah, we gotta have a train there for that usage!" - like it's have a stop near the Shark Tank for 41 games a year that end at 11 PM so nobody wants to hop on a train that late and there is no traffic at that time, instead of going to an office park people go to daily.

Then we get into the "Jerbs!" thing.

It's a constant push/pull between "The Conservatives" who want to build nothing, and "The Progressives" who often want to build the wrong thing.
It's easier to convince "The Progressives" to build the right thing than it is to get "The Conservatives" to build anything, so there you go.

Footnote: Entirely possible the reason this was in the COVID bill was so that the Republicans could have a victory by killing something that could be tied to Pelosi, so they can vote for it after declaring VICTORY! FREEDOM! And if that's true, it's 50/50 whether is was some masterful chess move by Pelosi who fooled the Republicans, or that McCarthy and Pelosi met, decided upon something she would put in and the Repubicans would kill, and we are all just pawns in their game.

You do see how stupid all this sounds and how needless it is to throw something like that in there, correct? And Conservatives just wanna be left the fuck alone and quit letting the government control everything. That doesn’t sound too fucking extreme does it?! Do we really need the government in every fucking aspect of our fucking lives?! All they does is fuck everything up.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1548 on: March 03, 2021, 03:16:55 PM »
The Progressives want the government to control EVERYTHING, not the people.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1549 on: March 03, 2021, 03:19:45 PM »
oh no, not that!

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1550 on: March 03, 2021, 03:22:55 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on March 03, 2021, 03:15:42 PM
You do see how stupid all this sounds and how needless it is to throw something like that in there, correct? And Conservatives just wanna be left the fuck alone and quit letting the government control everything. That doesn’t sound too fucking extreme does it?! Do we really need the government in every fucking aspect of our fucking lives?! All they does is fuck everything up.

Does that mean we can stop paving the roads in "Conservative" areas? Leaving them alone?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1551 on: March 03, 2021, 03:27:31 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on March 03, 2021, 03:22:55 PM
Does that mean we can stop paving the roads in "Conservative" areas? Leaving them alone?

Quite the strawman. I think we’d be just fine here paving our own honestly, but give me some of my tax money back that’s wasted on all this mismanaged stupid shit by politicians.

If you wanna play that game, does “my body, my choice” only apply to killing babies, but not masks too?!

Or the “me too” movement only believed and apply to Conservatives? If Cuomo’s last name was Trump, the House would’ve already “impeached” him 😂
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1552 on: March 03, 2021, 03:43:36 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on March 03, 2021, 03:27:31 PM
Quite the strawman. I think we’d be just fine here paving our own honestly, but give me some of my tax money back that’s wasted on all this mismanaged stupid shit by politicians.

If you wanna play that game, does “my body, my choice” only apply to killing babies, but not masks too?!

Or the “me too” movement only believed and apply to Conservatives? If Cuomo’s last name was Trump, the House would’ve already “impeached” him 😂

Bullshit.

The trope is basically - I want the Government to stop funding anything that I can't personally find a direct connection to personal benefit, everything else is complete waste. When pointed out you call it a strawman - but it's the entire argument.

It's created a disastrous side effect seen exactly in this case, while I think this particular segment of train line is not of strategic value, if I fight the project then your ilk will use that as a trope to argue that trains in general are bad, which is not true. It creates a catch 22 where it's a bad idea to oppose something that is narrowly not of value, otherwise you'll open yourself up to needing to defend all ideas in that spectrum. So we build a lot of bad projects lest we endanger good ones.

And chances are, you couldn't afford to pave your own roads.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1553 on: March 03, 2021, 03:55:06 PM »
Is Judy a papist? That would explain a lot.

Judy, are you a papist?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1554 on: March 03, 2021, 04:00:05 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on March 03, 2021, 03:43:36 PM
Bullshit.

The trope is basically - I want the Government to stop funding anything that I can't personally find a direct connection to personal benefit, everything else is complete waste. When pointed out you call it a strawman - but it's the entire argument.

It's created a disastrous side effect seen exactly in this case, while I think this particular segment of train line is not of strategic value, if I fight the project then your ilk will use that as a trope to argue that trains in general are bad, which is not true. It creates a catch 22 where it's a bad idea to oppose something that is narrowly not of value, otherwise you'll open yourself up to needing to defend all ideas in that spectrum. So we build a lot of bad projects lest we endanger good ones.

And chances are, you couldn't afford to pave your own roads.

A COVID “relief” bill that has a train line in it is the problem that needs pointed out. I mean honestly, wtf are politicians doing throwing shit like that in there?!

Also I pointed out some other nifty strawmen. At least I addressed yours. Maybe not the response you wanted, but it was addressed nonetheless. I have yet to see one Progressive or Liberal address the hypocrisy I stated above.

Who are you arguing against that said trains were bad?! This particular train makes no sense by any logical person’s argument. So again I’ll ask, why was it in there in the first place. Corruption? Slush fund? Kickbacks? I’d be very interested in finding that out.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1555 on: March 03, 2021, 04:01:16 PM »
Quote from: fucking on March 03, 2021, 03:55:06 PM
Is Judy a papist? That would explain a lot.

Judy, are you a papist?

Absolutely not. Those fuckers are ACTUALLY more fucked up than I am. That shit is like a cult!
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1556 on: March 03, 2021, 04:19:40 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on March 03, 2021, 03:27:31 PM
my tax money

We need to lose the term "taxpayer's" money. Do insurance companies call the premiums they collect "policy holder's money"? Does Com-Ed call their revenue "customer's money"?  Granted, there is a difference. I could decline to pay my utility bills and just freeze to death. At least I would not go to jail.
 
Still, tax revenue collected by the government becomes the government's money. Besides, in 2019, less than 80% of the budget was funded by tax revenue. 2020 is much worse -- 50%?     
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1557 on: March 03, 2021, 04:25:47 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on March 03, 2021, 03:22:55 PM
Does that mean we can stop paving the roads in "Conservative" areas? Leaving them alone?

Also, withdraw public funding from their buses, trains, schools, medical facilities, law enforcement, fire departments, utilities, parks,  ... 

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1558 on: March 03, 2021, 04:27:12 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 03, 2021, 04:19:40 PM
We need to lose the term "taxpayer's" money. Do insurance companies call the premiums they collect "policy holder's money"? Does Com-Ed call their revenue "customer's money"?  Granted, there is a difference. I could decline to pay my utility bills and just freeze to death. At least I would not go to jail.
 
Still, tax revenue collected by the government becomes the government's money. Besides, in 2019, less than 80% of the budget was funded by tax revenue. 2020 is much worse -- 50%?   

And you don’t see this as a problem 🤔

They work for us (or suppose to), we don’t work for them. It truly baffles me how career politicians get in and then become extremely wealthy. Don’t you find that disturbing?

I would say 95% of the country wants term limits....so why isn’t it gonna happen?! There’s definitely a swamp in this country and one of the reasons Trump was elected and benefited off that stance/motto. I think a lot of the country can see exactly what I stated.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1559 on: March 03, 2021, 04:42:50 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 03, 2021, 04:25:47 PM
Also, withdraw public funding from their buses, trains, schools, medical facilities, law enforcement, fire departments, utilities, parks,  ...

Of course you’re gonna play dumb and go to extremes. Much like the Progressives. The government has integrated itself into way too much of our lives. They need to take a step back. But honestly, the agenda of the Progressives is to literally control every aspect of your life and make you dependent on them for everything. It’s a power and control thing.

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