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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3495 on: November 30, 2021, 10:34:21 PM »
Quote from: Custard on November 30, 2021, 10:02:23 PM
We should totally take their word for it. How do you guys decide who to believe and not to believe?

Well…I’m waiting for Dr. Aaron Rodgers and Dr. Joe Rogan to weigh in on the origin of COVID-19.   

Seriously though, I find myself heading over to the Stat News website more and more for the latest scientific information on COVID.
https://www.statnews.com/topic/coronavirus/
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3496 on: November 30, 2021, 10:52:59 PM »
Thanks it’s hard to tell who is telling the truth and who’s not.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3497 on: November 30, 2021, 10:53:15 PM »
Oh wait. Are those guys legit?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3498 on: November 30, 2021, 10:53:47 PM »
And if so, how do you know? 

I mean, really know?

Gut feeling?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3499 on: November 30, 2021, 11:01:26 PM »
Quote from: Custard on November 30, 2021, 10:02:23 PM
We should totally take their word for it. How do you guys decide who to believe and not to believe?

Just have to decide who is less credible. Who does not know what they are talking about / is more deceptive. Then trust the other guy.

Confirmation bias, ego, stupidity and self interest affects everyone to some extent.  The current Republican leadership are a bunch of selfish idiots and liars.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3500 on: November 30, 2021, 11:44:52 PM »
Quote from: Custard on November 30, 2021, 10:02:23 PM
We should totally take their word for it. How do you guys decide who to believe and not to believe?

I go with the large consensus of those who are educated on the subject.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3501 on: December 01, 2021, 12:52:44 AM »
It's not hard.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3502 on: December 01, 2021, 07:40:04 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 30, 2021, 09:43:18 PM
"look, I am very skeptical of WIV and EcoHealth and i suspect shenanigans. However this clip does not say what you think it does.They were making pseudoviruses with spikes from bat viruses to assess the ability of bat viruses to infect humans. Pseudoviruses are not dangerous."
And this video clip is from 3 years prior to the start of the pandemic. In 2018, one year before the pandemic, the State Dept was warned of the safety measures at the WIV. Pseudoviruses most likely would not have triggered a safety warning.
China refuses to release data. I would doubt that data is centered around peudoviruses, and is more likely centered around the work that Daszak's colleagues in China were working on as a result of the processes learned around 2016. 
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3503 on: December 01, 2021, 09:50:15 AM »
Quote from: fucking on December 01, 2021, 12:52:44 AM
It's not hard.

It’s really not. People say liberals are the ones who think with their emotions, but conservatives constantly eschew established facts and evidence in favor of their political beliefs and emotional choices.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3504 on: December 01, 2021, 10:10:29 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 01, 2021, 09:50:15 AM
It’s really not. People say liberals are the ones who think with their emotions, but conservatives constantly eschew established facts and evidence in favor of their political beliefs and emotional choices.

Also, conservatives used to say that they saw liberals as good people with different opinions, while liberals saw conservatives as evil.

That has changed. People like Charlie Kirk, Lauren Boebert, Dagan McDowell, and Tucker Carslon  not only see progressives and liberals as malevolent, they also despise honest conservatives and free traders like Jonah Goldberg, Lyz Cheney,  Adam Kinzinger, George Will ...
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3505 on: December 01, 2021, 11:42:12 AM »
I wish I had the level of confidence some of you do that most of what we are shoveled by the media at large isn’t just whatever bullshit the world’s power brokers want us to see, hear and believe.

Hardly anyone has the ability to actually confirm or fact check almost anything we are told about a whole lot of topics.

And someone will sincerely say “But wait, we have all these online fact checkers!” while hilariously oblivious to the notion that the fact checkers are just ordinary people using google to check the information against the same source that fed it to us in the first place.

And any remnant of investigative journalism that’s still out there gets shut down when it gets too close to the truth. Or, labeled conspiracy theory. Or disappeared from social media.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3506 on: December 01, 2021, 11:51:53 AM »
Here’s the thing…conservatives are right about MSM. It’s mostly trash. But not for the reasons they think it is (the issues nearest and dearest to their heart like Big Bird, Mr. Potato Head, and trannies using the bathroom). It’s trash because they give cover to the corrupt billionaires and corporations that ironically own these news outlets. The fact that the political process is bought and paid for by the rich is barely acknowledged. That’s why MSM is trash.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3507 on: December 01, 2021, 11:56:44 AM »
I hear we’re living in the “post-truth” age.  I find these cards most useful. 
https://thethinkingshop.org/products/critical-thinking-cards-deck

The Christmas shopping season is upon us.  Send a deck to all your friends and family to show them that you care.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3508 on: December 01, 2021, 12:14:14 PM »
Quote from: Custard on December 01, 2021, 11:42:12 AM
I wish I had the level of confidence some of you do that most of what we are shoveled by the media at large isn’t just whatever bullshit the world’s power brokers want us to see, hear and believe.

Hardly anyone has the ability to actually confirm or fact check almost anything we are told about a whole lot of topics.

And someone will sincerely say “But wait, we have all these online fact checkers!” while hilariously oblivious to the notion that the fact checkers are just ordinary people using google to check the information against the same source that fed it to us in the first place.

And any remnant of investigative journalism that’s still out there gets shut down when it gets too close to the truth. Or, labeled conspiracy theory. Or disappeared from social media.

exactly
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #3509 on: December 01, 2021, 12:23:22 PM »
We need a catchy name for the Custard-QAnon97-Tempo axis....
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