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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1755 on: March 30, 2021, 10:03:58 AM »
Every time the word pangolin comes up it reminds me of the South Park Pandemic Special which I thought was absolutely fabulous.
Same here.

The vaccine/QAnon special was pretty good too, but not nearly as good as the pandemic special.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1756 on: March 30, 2021, 10:09:28 AM »
I watched the vaccination one a couple weeks ago. I agree it was just ok. The Pandemic Special was an absolute masterpiece imo. And I’m not a big South Park fan in general.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1757 on: March 30, 2021, 10:34:53 AM »
Follow the psyents.
Lord help us.

"Mike Kirby, a former professor of general practice in Hertfordshire and editor of The Aging Male, suggests this means doctors should be ready to check testosterone levels in male Covid patients and, if necessary, provide testosterone replacement."

Get your testosterone levels checked. Get your vaccine passport. No sex without a passport. You can't fly, take public transportation without your passport. No going to ball games without your passport. No shopping at Nordstroms or Wal-Mart without your passport.
For you Iranians coming thru the southern border, leave the passport you used to get to Mexico behind, just bring your vaccine passport.
Get your vaccine passport to no ID required vote in person. You'll need it.
Put your masks on and get your ass in the basement. We're facing impending doom. The CDC director sez so.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1758 on: March 30, 2021, 11:14:23 AM »
Any place that mandates a vaccine passport is someplace I don’t need to go
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1759 on: March 30, 2021, 12:15:51 PM »
Note to Mn:

WHO Chief Wants Further Investigation of Lab Leak Theory

“The World Health Organization’s chief said a mission to study the origins of the coronavirus in China didn’t adequately analyze the possibility of a lab leak before it concluded that the pathogen probably spread from bats to humans via another animal.”

“Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said even though the international team of scientists determined that a leak is the least likely hypothesis for the origin of the pandemic, it requires further investigation. He said he’s ready to deploy additional missions involving specialist experts as he doesn’t believe the assessment was extensive enough.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-30/who-chief-critiques-covid-report-says-lab-leak-study-needed

What does every WHO down in WHOville say?

More interesting news:

As Covid-19 Vaccinations Ramp Up, Hesitancy Wanes

According to a government survey, “a shrinking percentage of Americans are expressing reluctance to get a Covid-19 vaccine, a positive sign for the efforts to get shots in the arms of enough people to reach herd immunity.”

“The survey found about 17% of adults said they would either definitely or probably not get vaccinated, down from 22% in January. The decline was almost entirely due to fewer respondents saying they probably won’t get the shot; the share saying they definitely won’t has remained essentially unchanged in the past two months.

“Reluctance to get vaccinated remains highest in the South. But many Southern states have seen a steep decline in hesitancy since the January survey, particularly Alabama, Louisiana, North Carolina and South Carolina. 

“Another finding: vaccine hesitancy among Black Americans has diminished considerably.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-covid-19-vaccinations-ramp-up-hesitancy-wanes-11617096603

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1760 on: March 30, 2021, 12:50:58 PM »
Note to Mn:

WHO Chief Wants Further Investigation of Lab Leak Theory

“The World Health Organization’s chief said a mission to study the origins of the coronavirus in China didn’t adequately analyze the possibility of a lab leak before it concluded that the pathogen probably spread from bats to humans via another animal.”

“Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said even though the international team of scientists determined that a leak is the least likely hypothesis for the origin of the pandemic, it requires further investigation. He said he’s ready to deploy additional missions involving specialist experts as he doesn’t believe the assessment was extensive enough.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-30/who-chief-critiques-covid-report-says-lab-leak-study-needed


We had a kerfluffle about this yesterday. While it seems most probable to me that this pandemic is just like any other where some virus evolved in one species and ended up making the jump, it's depressing that a "lab leak" is something that would need to be "investigated". If a virus leaks from a lab unintentionally - that should be reported as standard practice by that lab, sure it's embarrassing but not reporting it is sociopathic. And yeah, if it's being suppressed by the Chinese Government because they are embarrassed, that's sociopathic too.

I land in an interesting spot here. The Iranians are tyrants who also seem crazy, like they don't give a shit what happens to the world as long as they stay in power. The Chinese on the other hand, while very much tyrants and doing bad shit like oppressing the Uighurs, do not on the other hand appear to be sociopathic climate deniers like Ted Cruz or Donald Trump, and while their response to COVID was heavy handed, they never called it a hoax like Trump did, they very aggressively tried to shut it down using scientifically proven methods.

I guess that failure to admit a lab leak isn't inconsistent with trying to scientifically address the pandemic, because knowing that it was a lab leak doesn't alter the response.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1761 on: March 30, 2021, 01:09:44 PM »
We had a kerfluffle about this yesterday. While it seems most probable to me that this pandemic is just like any other where some virus evolved in one species and ended up making the jump, it's depressing that a "lab leak" is something that would need to be "investigated". If a virus leaks from a lab unintentionally - that should be reported as standard practice by that lab, sure it's embarrassing but not reporting it is sociopathic. And yeah, if it's being suppressed by the Chinese Government because they are embarrassed, that's sociopathic too.

I land in an interesting spot here. The Iranians are tyrants who also seem crazy, like they don't give a shit what happens to the world as long as they stay in power. The Chinese on the other hand, while very much tyrants and doing bad shit like oppressing the Uighurs, do not on the other hand appear to be sociopathic climate deniers like Ted Cruz or Donald Trump, and while their response to COVID was heavy handed, they never called it a hoax like Trump did, they very aggressively tried to shut it down using scientifically proven methods.

I guess that failure to admit a lab leak isn't inconsistent with trying to scientifically address the pandemic, because knowing that it was a lab leak doesn't alter the response.

The reason the Chinese aren't "climate deniers" is because they directly benefit from the proselytization of it

we sure as shit aren't building solar panels and windmills in the US or Europe

If people wanted to be serious about green energy, we'd  have way more nuclear power plants than we currently do and would be continuing to be building them in droves... the Chinese don't build nuclear reactors... coincidence?  I think not.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1762 on: March 30, 2021, 01:19:10 PM »
Peter Daszak re missing files. 'Everything is cool. We didn't ask to see the missing data on the research that I was part of.'
Authorities say there were hacking attempts on the files. If they're hacked, I assume they're still available ?

"Peter Daszak: I'm on the WHO team for a reason. And, you know, if you're going to work in China on coronaviruses and try and understand their origins, you should involve the people who know the most about that. And for better or for worse, I do.

He says the team did look into the leak theory during a visit with lab scientists and deemed it 'extremely unlikely'.

Peter Daszak: We met with them. We said, "Do you audit the lab?" And they said, "Annually." "Did it you audit it after the outbreak?" "Yes." "Was anything found?" "No." "Do you test your staff?" "Yes." No one was--


Lesley Stahl: But you're just taking their word for it.

Peter Daszak: Well, what else can we do?

There's a limit to what you can do and we went right up to that limit. We asked them tough questions. They weren't vetted in advance. And the answers they gave, we found to be believable-- correct and convincing.

Lesley Stahl: But weren't the Chinese engaged in a cover-up? They destroyed evidence, they punished scientists who were trying to give evidence on this very question of the origin.

Peter Daszak: Well, that wasn't our task to find out if China had covered up the origin issue."
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Biden and Harris after Nov. It's ok to get the vaccine that we were telling the American public wasn't trustworthy before the election.

 From detroitnews.com Sept 2020.
"If you care more about protecting lives than politics, you're rooting for a COVID-19 vaccine to arrive at the earliest possible moment. This virus has already killed too many people, and having a shield against it will be something to celebrate.

Unless, apparently, if you're on the Democratic presidential ticket and worry that a vaccine that comes before the November election will boost the reelection of President Donald Trump.

Sen. Kamala Harris, Joe Biden's pick for vice president, started the campaign to neutralize any benefit Trump might receive from an inoculation that's approved before Election Day in November. When asked by an interviewer whether she'd take take a COVID-19 vaccine, she expressed doubt, saying she "didn't trust Donald Trump."

The talking point was picked up by Biden, who, responded to the same question by saying he expected "transparency" from the Trump administration on the approval of a vaccine.


The comments are not only politically motivated, they're dangerous.

Americans are lax as it is in taking advantage of vaccines. Just 37% of adults were inoculated for influenza, also a killer disease, in the 2017-18 season.

And despite the devastation of COVID-19 over the past six months, just 65% of Americans say they would get an FDA-approve vaccine for the virus if it were available today.

That's not a high enough number to vanquish the virus and allow the nation to return to normal.

Americans will need to be encouraged to participate in mass inoculations, not scared away by opportunistic politicians.

Biden, Harris and other Democrats who have picked up this talking point risk sowing doubt about the safety of vaccinations, and are building a false narrative that Trump could somehow rush a defective vaccine into circulation to aid his reelection.

Nine drug companies working on a vaccine were prompted by the Democratic fear-mongering to release a statement Tuesday that they would not deliver a vaccine for public use until it is tested and proved safe.

Hopefully, that still may be within weeks. Clinical trials are progressing at remarkable speed, and the Centers for Disease Control has advised health systems to prepare to begin receiving vaccine doses by the end of October.

It is perhaps too much to hope for that a vaccine against the worst killer of this generation might avoid the bitter, self-serving politics of the moment.

Those who would be our leaders should do or say nothing to erode trust in the process of bringing a life-saving vaccine to widespread application.

Rather than trash-talking what would truly be a miracle, considering how long it normally takes to develop a vaccine, Biden and Harris should be offering up plans for broadly and rapidly inoculating Americans while reassuring them that it's the right thing to do.

It will make their job of protecting Americans much easier if they are elected."

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/editorials/2020/09/10/editorial-biden-harris-trash-talking-vaccine-bad-move/5749825002/


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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1763 on: March 30, 2021, 01:30:04 PM »
We had a kerfluffle about this yesterday. While it seems most probable to me that this pandemic is just like any other where some virus evolved in one species and ended up making the jump, it's depressing that a "lab leak" is something that would need to be "investigated". If a virus leaks from a lab unintentionally - that should be reported as standard practice by that lab, sure it's embarrassing but not reporting it is sociopathic. And yeah, if it's being suppressed by the Chinese Government because they are embarrassed, that's sociopathic too.

I land in an interesting spot here. The Iranians are tyrants who also seem crazy, like they don't give a shit what happens to the world as long as they stay in power. The Chinese on the other hand, while very much tyrants and doing bad shit like oppressing the Uighurs, do not on the other hand appear to be sociopathic climate deniers like Ted Cruz or Donald Trump, and while their response to COVID was heavy handed, they never called it a hoax like Trump did, they very aggressively tried to shut it down using scientifically proven methods.

I guess that failure to admit a lab leak isn't inconsistent with trying to scientifically address the pandemic, because knowing that it was a lab leak doesn't alter the response.

While I personally agree with a more thorough investigation, I see three issues:

1. The pervasiveness of conspiracy theory on COVID 19 being an engineered virus.  While the lab-leak theory focuses on lab safety, lab location, as well as bioethics, it hasn't stopped the nutters seizing on it as evidence of ill-intent by China. 

2. The politicizing of the investigation and the legacy of the hunt for WMD.  We all know what happened to the hunt for WMD back in the Bush administration.  Unless the WHO manages to assemble an investigative team that can be viewed as 100% unbiased with zero political intent, any result short of clear indication of lab-leak will lead to shrieks from China that the investigation has been a witch hunt from the start.   

3. Without a lot of cooperation and openness from the Chinese government, there's not much we can do to either confirm or disprove the theory that the virus was being studied in a lab and was released by accident.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1764 on: March 30, 2021, 03:10:40 PM »
The reason the Chinese aren't "climate deniers" is because they directly benefit from the proselytization of it

we sure as shit aren't building solar panels and windmills in the US or Europe

If people wanted to be serious about green energy, we'd  have way more nuclear power plants than we currently do and would be continuing to be building them in droves... the Chinese don't build nuclear reactors... coincidence?  I think not.

“Nuclear power:  from too cheap to meter to too expensive to matter.”

I’m always amazed when conservatives howl for more nuclear power.   Yeah…let’s support an industry that’s:
•   Received massive federal subsidies for plant construction, accident risks and waste disposal. 
•   Required huge capital outlays that have resulted in plant cost overruns, delays, cancellations and abandonments.   
•   Obligated the federal government to maintain a large bureaucracy (e.g., regulations, licenses, monitoring and inspections) to ensure the nuke plants operate safely. 

Move over Big Tech and Big Pharma.  Here’s Big Energy and Big Government. 

In recent years, the nuclear industry has been working to secure even more government assistance, this time at the state level (e.g., Ohio, Illinois and New York) because their plants are facing challenges from the open electricity markets.

And what’s this thing about China not building nuclear reactors?  China is one of the world's largest producers of nuclear power.  As of 2019, China has 46 nuclear reactors in operation with a capacity of 42.8 GW.   

Now I’m good with extending the life of existing nukes to avoid increases in carbon emissions because they would be partially replaced with natural gas plants.   I’m also good with modular nukes that are smaller and less costly.   But keep in mind the modular systems have only been tested on a limited basis and the road to mass manufacturing will be rocky.   There will be plenty of competition from solar plus storage systems and hydrogen technologies.     

Oh, and the nuclear industry is a big proponent of carbon pricing and cap and trade tax programs.   You ok with that?
« Last Edit: March 30, 2021, 03:13:23 PM by alum74 »

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« Reply #1765 on: March 30, 2021, 04:22:16 PM »
Don't complicate things for him. He needs his beliefs in the form of slogans.

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« Reply #1766 on: March 30, 2021, 04:26:23 PM »
The reason the Chinese aren't "climate deniers" is because they directly benefit from the proselytization of it

we sure as shit aren't building solar panels and windmills in the US or Europe

If people wanted to be serious about green energy, we'd  have way more nuclear power plants than we currently do and would be continuing to be building them in droves... the Chinese don't build nuclear reactors... coincidence?  I think not.

If your premise was correct then the Chinese wouldn't be installing solar panels and windmills in their own country, and they sure as hell wouldn't be investing as heavily as they are in high speed rail.

As for nuclear reactors - where do you think the steel comes from?

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« Reply #1767 on: March 30, 2021, 04:29:59 PM »
Biden and Harris after Nov. It's ok to get the vaccine that we were telling the American public wasn't trustworthy before the election.

 From detroitnews.com Sept 2020.
"If you care more about protecting lives than politics, you're rooting for a COVID-19 vaccine to arrive at the earliest possible moment. This virus has already killed too many people, and having a shield against it will be something to celebrate.

Unless, apparently, if you're on the Democratic presidential ticket and worry that a vaccine that comes before the November election will boost the reelection of President Donald Trump.

Sen. Kamala Harris, Joe Biden's pick for vice president, started the campaign to neutralize any benefit Trump might receive from an inoculation that's approved before Election Day in November. When asked by an interviewer whether she'd take take a COVID-19 vaccine, she expressed doubt, saying she "didn't trust Donald Trump."

The talking point was picked up by Biden, who, responded to the same question by saying he expected "transparency" from the Trump administration on the approval of a vaccine.


Wut? She said that she trusts the scientists, and as soon as the vaccine is approved by the FDA, she'd take it, and she did, on TV. And that Trump should not be pressuring the FDA to approve it on any time schedule other than that dictated by science.

Awful take man, awful

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« Reply #1768 on: March 30, 2021, 04:38:50 PM »

Rather than trash-talking what would truly be a miracle, considering how long it normally takes to develop a vaccine, Biden and Harris should be offering up plans for broadly and rapidly inoculating Americans while reassuring them that it's the right thing to do.


Hard to tell which pieces are yours and which were quoted so maybe this all isn't your take.

 Understand that Trump is still talking out both sides saying that the vaccine is good but then again, there's always your "freedom".

And this journalist sort of sucks

"Rather than trash-talking what would truly be a miracle, considering how long it normally takes to develop a vaccine"

That's a weird take. If you look at say, cellphones, it took over a decade to go from one that is connected to your car to one you could walk around with. Now Apple rolls out a major overhaul with ridiculous new features and substantially better performance every two years.

The COVID Vaccine came out as fast as a vaccine takes in 2021, not in 1950. The reason it came out so fast wasn't because we worked so hard on it in 2020 - it's because we developed the technology over the past few decades. A new flu vaccine is released annually. As for the percentages that take the flu vaccine, sadly that's impacted by the perceived benefit vs cost thanks to our shoddy efforts at funding health care in this country. Most every person in my company gets a flu vaccine because for 2 months, you pass by a kiosk on the way to the cafeteria where someone will shoot you up in two minutes, only requirement is to scan your badge. A lot more people would get the flu vaccine if it was free and easily available.


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« Reply #1769 on: March 30, 2021, 05:02:19 PM »
“Nuclear power:  from too cheap to meter to too expensive to matter.”

I’m always amazed when conservatives howl for more nuclear power.   Yeah…let’s support an industry that’s:
•   Received massive federal subsidies for plant construction, accident risks and waste disposal. 
•   Required huge capital outlays that have resulted in plant cost overruns, delays, cancellations and abandonments.   
•   Obligated the federal government to maintain a large bureaucracy (e.g., regulations, licenses, monitoring and inspections) to ensure the nuke plants operate safely. 

Move over Big Tech and Big Pharma.  Here’s Big Energy and Big Government. 

In recent years, the nuclear industry has been working to secure even more government assistance, this time at the state level (e.g., Ohio, Illinois and New York) because their plants are facing challenges from the open electricity markets.

And what’s this thing about China not building nuclear reactors?  China is one of the world's largest producers of nuclear power.  As of 2019, China has 46 nuclear reactors in operation with a capacity of 42.8 GW.   

Now I’m good with extending the life of existing nukes to avoid increases in carbon emissions because they would be partially replaced with natural gas plants.   I’m also good with modular nukes that are smaller and less costly.   But keep in mind the modular systems have only been tested on a limited basis and the road to mass manufacturing will be rocky.   There will be plenty of competition from solar plus storage systems and hydrogen technologies.     

Oh, and the nuclear industry is a big proponent of carbon pricing and cap and trade tax programs.   You ok with that?

Biggest one you forgot: they called the movie The China Syndrome because the nuclear meltdown would melt through their containment structures all the way to China. Freakin' Commie bastards....
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