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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5340 on: June 22, 2023, 09:58:04 AM »
As a result of bi-partisan legislation and signed into law by POTUS the ODNI has released the declassified intelligence on the origins of Covid, minus redactions protecting sources and methods and matters pertaining to national security, that was due this past Sunday.

JK. They haven't released anything.

What is Sleepy Joe covering up now? Maybe get Durham back on the case. Maybe Durham didn't get enough pasta in Italy?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5341 on: June 22, 2023, 10:07:55 AM »
As a result of bi-partisan legislation and signed into law by POTUS the ODNI has released the declassified intelligence on the origins of Covid, minus redactions protecting sources and methods and matters pertaining to national security, that was due this past Sunday.

JK. They haven't released anything.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5342 on: June 22, 2023, 10:58:24 AM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-funded-scientist-among-three-chinese-researchers-who-fell-ill-amid-early-covid-19-outbreak-3f919567

A prominent scientist who worked on coronavirus projects funded by the U.S. government is one of three Chinese researchers who became sick with an unspecified illness during the initial outbreak of Covid-19, according to current and former U.S. officials.

Hu's on first...

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5343 on: June 22, 2023, 11:23:21 AM »
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5344 on: June 24, 2023, 12:02:50 PM »
https://www.science.org/content/article/ridiculous-says-chinese-scientist-accused-being-pandemic-s-patient-zero

Ben Hu denies he was sick in late 2019, or that his coronavirus work led to COVID-19, and newly declassified U.S. intelligence doesn't substantiate allegations against him
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Moreover, a newly released U.S. report of declassified information on COVID-19’s origin, from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), fails to name him or substantiate that any WIV scientists had the initial cases of COVID-19

“The recent news about so-called ‘patient zero’ in WIV are absolutely rumors and ridiculous,” Ben Hu emailed Science in his first public response to the charges, which have been attributed to anonymous former and current U.S. Department of State officials. A WIV colleague who has also been named as one of the first COVID-19 cases denies the accusation as well.

Hu and two of his WIV colleagues were thrown into the furious COVID-19 origin debate on 13 June when an online newsletter called Public said the three scientists developed COVID-19 in November 2019. That was prior to the outbreak becoming public when a cluster of cases at the end of December 2019 surfaced in people linked to a Wuhan marketplace. Public’s report was quickly embraced by a camp that argues COVID-19 came from a virus stored, and possibly manipulated, at WIV, rather than from infected animal hosts, perhaps being sold at the Wuhan market. A Wall Street Journal (WSJ) article on 20 June that said it had “confirmed” the allegations against the three, without referring to any public evidence or named sources with direct knowledge, fueled the flames even more. Social media and other publications spread the charges—and the scientists’ names.

The new ODNI report echoes the earlier one in many ways, and says the COVID-19 origin debate remains unresolved. “All agencies continue to assess that both a natural and laboratory-associated origin remain plausible hypotheses to explain the first human infection,” it says. The declassification report does confirm a story by the Wall Street Journal that the Department of Energy had moved from being undecided on COVID-19 origin to favoring a lab leak. ODNI now says, “The Department of Energy and the Federal Bureau of Investigation assess that a laboratory-associated incident was the most likely cause of the first human infection with SARS-CoV-2, although for different reasons.”

Yet ODNI continues to assert the evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was modified by researchers is weak, challenging the many lab leak theories in which WIV scientists allegedly manipulated a precursor coronvirus to make it more dangerous. ODNI states “Almost all IC agencies assess that SARS-CoV-2 was not genetically engineered. Most agencies assess that SARS-CoV-2 was not laboratory-adapted; some are unable to make a determination. All IC agencies assess that SARS-CoV-2 was not developed as a biological weapon.”

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Flo Débarre, one of the scientists who analyzed genetic evidence from the Wuhan market, says she is aghast that so many media outlets have passed along the accusations against the three WIV scientists. “I find it shameful that these scientists are denied any presumption of innocence, their names being thrown in the media arena without any consideration for them, without any actual evidence backing the claim,” says Débarre, who is at CNRS, the French national research agency. She says she was originally "very open" to the lab-leak theory but now finds a natural origin more likely and has combated lab-leak proponents online. Débarre posted a Twitter thread that recounts in detail the history of the “sick” WIV lab worker theory.
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Your move, Mn!

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5345 on: June 24, 2023, 12:33:13 PM »
https://www.science.org/content/article/ridiculous-says-chinese-scientist-accused-being-pandemic-s-patient-zero

Ben Hu denies he was sick in late 2019, or that his coronavirus work led to COVID-19, and newly declassified U.S. intelligence doesn't substantiate allegations against him
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Moreover, a newly released U.S. report of declassified information on COVID-19’s origin, from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), fails to name him or substantiate that any WIV scientists had the initial cases of COVID-19

“The recent news about so-called ‘patient zero’ in WIV are absolutely rumors and ridiculous,” Ben Hu emailed Science in his first public response to the charges, which have been attributed to anonymous former and current U.S. Department of State officials. A WIV colleague who has also been named as one of the first COVID-19 cases denies the accusation as well.

Hu and two of his WIV colleagues were thrown into the furious COVID-19 origin debate on 13 June when an online newsletter called Public said the three scientists developed COVID-19 in November 2019. That was prior to the outbreak becoming public when a cluster of cases at the end of December 2019 surfaced in people linked to a Wuhan marketplace. Public’s report was quickly embraced by a camp that argues COVID-19 came from a virus stored, and possibly manipulated, at WIV, rather than from infected animal hosts, perhaps being sold at the Wuhan market. A Wall Street Journal (WSJ) article on 20 June that said it had “confirmed” the allegations against the three, without referring to any public evidence or named sources with direct knowledge, fueled the flames even more. Social media and other publications spread the charges—and the scientists’ names.

The new ODNI report echoes the earlier one in many ways, and says the COVID-19 origin debate remains unresolved. “All agencies continue to assess that both a natural and laboratory-associated origin remain plausible hypotheses to explain the first human infection,” it says. The declassification report does confirm a story by the Wall Street Journal that the Department of Energy had moved from being undecided on COVID-19 origin to favoring a lab leak. ODNI now says, “The Department of Energy and the Federal Bureau of Investigation assess that a laboratory-associated incident was the most likely cause of the first human infection with SARS-CoV-2, although for different reasons.”

Yet ODNI continues to assert the evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was modified by researchers is weak, challenging the many lab leak theories in which WIV scientists allegedly manipulated a precursor coronvirus to make it more dangerous. ODNI states “Almost all IC agencies assess that SARS-CoV-2 was not genetically engineered. Most agencies assess that SARS-CoV-2 was not laboratory-adapted; some are unable to make a determination. All IC agencies assess that SARS-CoV-2 was not developed as a biological weapon.”

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Flo Débarre, one of the scientists who analyzed genetic evidence from the Wuhan market, says she is aghast that so many media outlets have passed along the accusations against the three WIV scientists. “I find it shameful that these scientists are denied any presumption of innocence, their names being thrown in the media arena without any consideration for them, without any actual evidence backing the claim,” says Débarre, who is at CNRS, the French national research agency. She says she was originally "very open" to the lab-leak theory but now finds a natural origin more likely and has combated lab-leak proponents online. Débarre posted a Twitter thread that recounts in detail the history of the “sick” WIV lab worker theory.
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Your move, Mn!


I saw the Jon Cohen I trust Hu and you should too article earlier today.

Which of these points were addressed in the 10 page declassified report ?

Still hiding behind innuendo and practicing the art of omission.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5346 on: June 24, 2023, 01:05:20 PM »
I saw the Jon Cohen I trust Hu and you should too article earlier today.

Which of these points were addressed in the 10 page declassified report ?



 I had to laugh when Hu reportedly said the news about him was "fake news."
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5347 on: June 24, 2023, 01:21:23 PM »
I had to laugh when Hu reportedly said the news about him was "fake news."
And the we can trust them, even if they do use Baric's no see em technology.

They told us it was a weather balloon that blew off course.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5348 on: July 14, 2023, 07:30:25 AM »
Folks,
"the group:s mandate should be : ....."  ;)



And of course we wouldn't want a shit show ...  :D



But then there's the redacted version that spells out everything perfectly ....  gt!!



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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5349 on: July 14, 2023, 09:20:23 AM »
Sounds like Fauci was trying to take a middle road given the uncertainty and differing views.
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« Reply #5350 on: July 14, 2023, 10:04:46 AM »
Sounds like Fauci was trying to take a middle road given the uncertainty and differing views.
That the mandate should be to look at the evolutionary origins, as opposed to the mutations would be most unusual to have evolved naturally, is what got us focused on the bats and the pangolins and the palm civets and the wild goose chases.
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« Reply #5351 on: July 14, 2023, 10:51:34 AM »
That the mandate should be to look at the evolutionary origins, as opposed to the mutations would be most unusual to have evolved naturally, is what got us focused on the bats and the pangolins and the palm civets and the wild goose chases.

I thought you were against mandates!

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5352 on: July 14, 2023, 11:31:32 AM »
That the mandate should be to look at the evolutionary origins, as opposed to the mutations would be most unusual to have evolved naturally, is what got us focused on the bats and the pangolins and the palm civets and the wild goose chases.

Well, if you look there and cannot establish it, then that leads to evidence that it was "man made" , no?

They really could not investigate that it was man made since the commies were not cooperating. So, if you cannot prove a) that it evolved naturally, then the odds of b) it is man made is higher. Which is basically where we are at if you are following this, right?
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« Reply #5353 on: July 14, 2023, 11:57:44 AM »
Well, if you look there and cannot establish it, then that leads to evidence that it was "man made" , no?

They really could not investigate that it was man made since the commies were not cooperating. So, if you cannot prove a) that it evolved naturally, then the odds of b) it is man made is higher. Which is basically where we are at if you are following this, right?

That's an interesting leap.

If you cannot prove that the moon landing was *not* faked, then the odds of it being faked are higher? True by construction because if you can prove it was not faked, then the odds of it being faked are zero.

While true by construction, it's still a logical fallacy that is misleading. If we set some odds that COVID was man made - let's say 15% - and then we ask Fauci to prove it was not man made - that does not increase the odds from 15% to some higher percentage.

I prefer Occam's razor. Lacking proof of either explanation, default to the most likely one. Viruses have evolved since time immemorial - man made viruses have not.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5354 on: July 14, 2023, 02:25:41 PM »
That's an interesting leap.

If you cannot prove that the moon landing was *not* faked, then the odds of it being faked are higher? True by construction because if you can prove it was not faked, then the odds of it being faked are zero.

While true by construction, it's still a logical fallacy that is misleading. If we set some odds that COVID was man made - let's say 15% - and then we ask Fauci to prove it was not man made - that does not increase the odds from 15% to some higher percentage.

I prefer Occam's razor. Lacking proof of either explanation, default to the most likely one. Viruses have evolved since time immemorial - man made viruses have not.

Stop being so fucking reasonable. No one here likes that.
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