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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6090 on: June 08, 2024, 11:33:33 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on June 08, 2024, 10:26:49 AM
It was based on data that John Hopkins was reviewing through 03-10-2023. 

And yes, the jury is still out on the issue of transmission.   
 
The JHU FYI says they stopped collecting data then.

The article appears to be late 2020 or early 2021.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6091 on: June 08, 2024, 12:14:43 PM »
Quote from: No one is above the law on June 08, 2024, 11:33:33 AM
The JHU FYI says they stopped collecting data then.

The article appears to be late 2020 or early 2021.

The conclusions are still relevant.  The science is still evolving as we learn more.  The answer may be somewhere in the middle. 

It doesn't change the bottom line for me: preventing severe illness and hospitalization was the primary goal for taking the vaccine.  And I knew that if I became infected, I would stay home.  That's still the case today.   
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6092 on: June 08, 2024, 01:13:35 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on June 08, 2024, 12:14:43 PM
The conclusions are still relevant.  The science is still evolving as we learn more.  The answer may be somewhere in the middle. 

It doesn't change the bottom line for me: preventing severe illness and hospitalization was the primary goal for taking the vaccine.  And I knew that if I became infected, I would stay home.  That's still the case today.   
Nonetheless, your decision to get vaccinated appears to be a personal choice.

That is quite a bit different than vaccine mandates with respect to maintaining employment, which the court case mentioned earlier was about.
The CDC changed the definition of "vaccination" entirely in Sept 2021 from providing "immunity" to providing "protection".
The "immunity" descriptive no longer fit the mandated "vaccine" yet the LAUSD mandate didn't end until Sept 2023.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6093 on: June 08, 2024, 01:39:50 PM »
Quote from: No one is above the law on June 08, 2024, 01:13:35 PM
Nonetheless, your decision to get vaccinated appears to be a personal choice.

That is quite a bit different than vaccine mandates with respect to maintaining employment, which the court case mentioned earlier was about.
The CDC changed the definition of "vaccination" entirely in Sept 2021 from providing "immunity" to providing "protection".
The "immunity" descriptive no longer fit the mandated "vaccine" yet the LAUSD mandate didn't end until Sept 2023.

Not buying that.  From the CDC in Sept 2023:

What You Need to Know
- COVID-19 vaccines help our bodies develop immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19 without us having to get the illness.
- Different COVID-19 vaccines may work in our bodies differently but all provide protection against the virus that causes COVID-19.
- None of the COVID-19 vaccines can give you COVID-19.
- Bringing new vaccines to the public involves various steps, all which must be followed to ensure they are safe and effective before they are made available for use."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/how-they-work.html
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6094 on: June 08, 2024, 05:45:40 PM »
These alt-righters were expecting transactional immunity from the vaccine. Fauci only promised use immunity.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6095 on: June 08, 2024, 05:59:27 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 08, 2024, 05:45:40 PM
These alt-righters were expecting transactional immunity from the vaccine. Fauci only promised use immunity.

I don't recall them explaining this at the time.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6096 on: June 08, 2024, 07:01:07 PM »
/humor

That analogy to legal immunity sort of works though.

The technical definition of biological immunity has always been resistance to a pathogen or disease. 

That was not changed.

The safety, degree, and duration of the resistance varies with the particular vaccine and disease.

"Two doses of MMR vaccine are 97% effective against measles and 88% effective against mumps"
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6097 on: June 10, 2024, 08:33:41 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on June 08, 2024, 10:26:49 AM
It was based on data that John Hopkins was reviewing through 03-10-2023. 

And yes, the jury is still out on the issue of transmission.   

I smoked pot with Johnny Hopkins. It was Johnny Hopkins and Sloan Kettering. They were blazing that shit up every day.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6098 on: June 12, 2024, 04:19:45 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 05, 2024, 02:45:59 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/04/covid-vaccines-may-have-helped-fuel-rise-in-excess-deaths/

Covid vaccines may have helped fuel rise in excess deaths

Covid vaccines could be partly to blame for the rise in excess deaths since the pandemic, scientists have suggested.

Researchers from The Netherlands analysed data from 47 Western countries and discovered there had been more than three million excess deaths since 2020, with the trend continuing despite the rollout of vaccines and containment measures.

Update:
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-06-11/how-a-blunder-by-a-respected-medical-journal-is-fueling-an-anti-vaccine-lie
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6099 on: June 12, 2024, 04:36:24 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on June 12, 2024, 04:19:45 PM
Update:
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-06-11/how-a-blunder-by-a-respected-medical-journal-is-fueling-an-anti-vaccine-lie

The existence of the COVID vaccine and the "anti-vaccine backlash" that resulted... just saying there has been a big increase in shingles cases the last couple of years, attributed to a lowered uptake of the shingles vaccine...
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6100 on: June 12, 2024, 05:24:35 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6101 on: June 12, 2024, 11:35:42 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6102 on: June 13, 2024, 12:44:49 AM »
Quote from: Custard on June 12, 2024, 11:35:42 PM
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If people like you were around when I was a kid; we'd still be dealing with small pox and polio.

Actually, there were people who opposed vaccines -- lunatic fringe nuts. Most lined up to get their shots.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6103 on: June 13, 2024, 06:27:04 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 13, 2024, 12:44:49 AM
If people like you were around when I was a kid; we'd still be dealing with small pox and polio.

Actually, there were people who opposed vaccines -- lunatic fringe nuts. Most lined up to get their shots.
When you were a kid, I would like to think that virologists weren't doing gain of function research experimentation in communist countries with the funding agencies claiming they didn't know what was going on in that communist country.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6104 on: June 13, 2024, 09:52:29 AM »
Quote from: No one is above the law on June 13, 2024, 06:27:04 AM
When you were a kid, I would like to think that virologists weren't doing gain of function research experimentation in communist countries with the funding agencies claiming they didn't know what was going on in that communist country.

So you're saying, if polio were created via gain of function research, you would have refused the vaccine?
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