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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4620 on: July 01, 2022, 02:15:09 PM »
The COVID seems to be the last nail in the coffin for the naïve notion that science is not politicized. ARGUABLY (yes, I am stressing and not yelling) a lot of covering your buddies' asses seems to have gone on here.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4621 on: July 01, 2022, 02:50:19 PM »
Just keep in mind that the scientific paper in question was not co-authored by Daszak.  I have no problem if a right-wing publication wants to take a whack at Lipkin.  His past affiliations with the EcoHealth Alliance are well known.   

Also, the paper was published in March 2020.  From what I can tell, Lipkin has altered his views with the uncovering of more evidence, acknowledging the possibility that the Wuhan lab was experimenting with unknown viruses.   

Lipkin’s theories may be shown to be incorrect.  Nothing wrong with that.  That’s how science works.   
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4622 on: July 01, 2022, 03:00:34 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 01, 2022, 02:50:19 PM
Just keep in mind that the scientific paper in question was not co-authored by Daszak.  I have no problem if a right-wing publication wants to take a whack at Lipkin.  His past affiliations with the EcoHealth Alliance are well known.   

Also, the paper was published in March 2020.  From what I can tell, Lipkin has altered his views with the uncovering of more evidence, acknowledging the possibility that the Wuhan lab was experimenting with unknown viruses.   

Lipkin’s theories may be shown to be incorrect.  Nothing wrong with that.  That’s how science works.

Minor quibble: "...science is supposed to work."
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4623 on: July 01, 2022, 04:24:26 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 01, 2022, 02:12:08 PM
Are you sure this is true? Seems that all cards remain on the table at this point.

Show me evidence to the contrary on any of the points.

Cite one credible expert in a relevant field who thinks the the virus that causes Covid was human made in a lab.

I'll stipulate that some credible experts in relevant fields think it is possible a naturally occurring virus may have escaped from a lab and caused the pandemic. Cite one who thinks that is the likely explanation.

While I am at it, the discussion over the definition of GoF reminds me of the GMO debate. The vast majority of food crops we eat are GMO (genetically modified organisms). They were genetically modified via selective breeding and cross-breeding. The ruby red grapefruit was genetically modified by irradiation.

But when we talk about the GMO debate and frankenfoods, we specifically mean foods and food sources genetically modified by genetic engineering.

Nobody changed the definition though.

« Last Edit: July 01, 2022, 04:26:53 PM by illiniray »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4624 on: July 01, 2022, 04:29:55 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 01, 2022, 03:00:34 PM
Minor quibble: "...science is supposed to work."

The promoters of odd conspiracy theories seem annoyed by that. They get frustrated when views change due to new evidence.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4625 on: July 01, 2022, 04:59:59 PM »
Quote from: Mn on April 12, 2022, 12:55:57 PM
Amy Maxmen, who said she's never met Peter Daszak, sat next to Peter Daszak when "Peter Daszak in 2016 gives the rationale for work by his colleagues in China on manipulating the coronavirus spike protein to see if they can infect human cells."
The individual on Daszak's right is W. Ian Lipkin, one of the Proximal Origins authors.
Lipkin has a rather puzzled look on his face when Daszak says that he didn't do the work. It was his colleagues that did it.

Lipkin, from the Vanity Fair article, "Lipkin was added as a fifth author on the Proximal Origin letter. On February 11, 2020, ahead of publication, he emailed a coauthor to say that a draft provided “a plausible argument against genetic engineering” but did “not eliminate the possibility of inadvertent release” through routine laboratory work cultivating a virus at the WIV. He added, “Given the scale of the bat CoV research pursued there and the site of emergence of the first human cases we have a nightmare of circumstantial evidence to assess.”
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4995877/user-clip-ecohealth-alliance-daszak-2016-describing-chinas-colleagues-work-coronavirus-spike

Maxmen then cites 3 pre-print articles. One authored by several China CDC members, among others, and the other 2 include 4 of the Proximal Origin authors.

Re the Vox article.
Rule #1: If gain of function research is halted in the U.S., don't fund gain of function research in China.
Rule #2: see rule #1.

Well, I didn't do this work. My colleagues in China did it.
But it had to be done.

As Lipkin turns his head towards Daszak.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4626 on: July 01, 2022, 05:20:49 PM »
This goes into the different kinds of Gain of Function research. Above my pay grade.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK285579/
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4627 on: July 02, 2022, 09:01:53 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 01, 2022, 02:50:19 PM
Lipkin’s theories may be shown to be incorrect.  Nothing wrong with that.  That’s how science works.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4628 on: July 02, 2022, 10:41:39 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 01, 2022, 04:24:26 PM
Show me evidence to the contrary on any of the points.

Cite one credible expert in a relevant field who thinks the the virus that causes Covid was human made in a lab.

I'll stipulate that some credible experts in relevant fields think it is possible a naturally occurring virus may have escaped from a lab and caused the pandemic. Cite one who thinks that is the likely explanation.

While I am at it, the discussion over the definition of GoF reminds me of the GMO debate. The vast majority of food crops we eat are GMO (genetically modified organisms). They were genetically modified via selective breeding and cross-breeding. The ruby red grapefruit was genetically modified by irradiation.

But when we talk about the GMO debate and frankenfoods, we specifically mean foods and food sources genetically modified by genetic engineering.

Nobody changed the definition though.

I am sure Mn will continue to do the heavy lifting in this area. However,  if the fucking Chinese Commie Bastards won't share info, doesn't at least a scintilla of doubt creep into this? Hard to rule it out when the bastards are.hiding info.

Granted, Saddam didn't have weapons of mass destruction, but he sure as hell acted like he did, didn't he?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4629 on: July 02, 2022, 11:19:25 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 02, 2022, 10:41:39 AM
I am sure Mn will continue to do the heavy lifting in this area. However,  if the fucking Chinese Commie Bastards won't share info, doesn't at least a scintilla of doubt creep into this? Hard to rule it out when the bastards are.hiding info.

Granted, Saddam didn't have weapons of mass destruction, but he sure as hell acted like he did, didn't he?
And I believe the grant was written given the Chinese the ability to hide the data they won't release.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4630 on: July 02, 2022, 01:08:44 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 02, 2022, 10:41:39 AM
I am sure Mn will continue to do the heavy lifting in this area. However,  if the fucking Chinese Commie Bastards won't share info, doesn't at least a scintilla of doubt creep into this? Hard to rule it out when the bastards are.hiding info.

Granted, Saddam didn't have weapons of mass destruction, but he sure as hell acted like he did, didn't he?

This is my whole thing.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4631 on: July 02, 2022, 02:26:18 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 02, 2022, 10:41:39 AM
I am sure Mn will continue to do the heavy lifting in this area. However,  if the fucking Chinese Commie Bastards won't share info, doesn't at least a scintilla of doubt creep into this? Hard to rule it out when the bastards are.hiding info.

Granted, Saddam didn't have weapons of mass destruction, but he sure as hell acted like he did, didn't he?

I think China’s standing in the world is sunk either way, even if the evidence doesn’t ultimately point to the lab-leak theory.

Instead of: 
“COVID 19 was cooked up in a lab; the product of extremely dangerous research, slipshod safety standards and a cover-up by global elites.  What exactly were the secretive Wuhan virologists and their American co-conspirators aiming to do with these juiced viruses in the first place?”   

We can easily pivot back to: 
“China’s barbaric cultural traditions, unsanitary animal husbandry practices and revolting culinary tastes renders it the master incubator of terrible diseases in the world.  We have all witnessed the lawless oriental bazaars where the Chinese eat animals alive.” 

Wouldn’t it be great if Columbo came in and somehow got somebody to confess or show what actually happened?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4632 on: July 02, 2022, 03:18:53 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on July 02, 2022, 02:26:18 PM
I think China’s standing in the world is sunk either way, even if the evidence doesn’t ultimately point to the lab-leak theory.

Instead of: 
“COVID 19 was cooked up in a lab; the product of extremely dangerous research, slipshod safety standards and a cover-up by global elites.  What exactly were the secretive Wuhan virologists and their American co-conspirators aiming to do with these juiced viruses in the first place?”   

We can easily pivot back to: 
“China’s barbaric cultural traditions, unsanitary animal husbandry practices and revolting culinary tastes renders it the master incubator of terrible diseases in the world.  We have all witnessed the lawless oriental bazaars where the Chinese eat animals alive.” 

Wouldn’t it be great if Columbo came in and somehow got somebody to confess or show what actually happened?

Great points.

Where is Columbo or McCloud when you need them?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4633 on: July 02, 2022, 07:01:20 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4634 on: July 02, 2022, 09:16:42 PM »
It could be the leadership in China is a tad paranoid and has sovereignty issues.
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