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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4650 on: July 24, 2022, 10:49:00 AM »
Quote from: Mn on July 24, 2022, 10:39:41 AM
Hey, thanks for the update.  ;D

Dr. Deborah Birx: "I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against infection and I think we overplayed the vaccines ..."

well that explains why she quit...
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4651 on: July 24, 2022, 12:27:18 PM »
“He’s been so attentive to the scientific literature and the details and the data.  I think his ability to analyze and integrate data that comes out of his long history in business has really been a real benefit during these discussions about medical issues.”
~ Scarf Lady, 3/23/2000 during an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network.
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21197074/deborah-birx-praised-trump-scientific-literature-coronavirus



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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4652 on: July 27, 2022, 01:29:23 PM »
Mn!!!!!

https://news.yahoo.com/pair-studies-point-natural-covid-213514366.html

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An animal market in China's Wuhan really was the epicenter of the Covid pandemic, according to a pair of new studies in the journal Science published Tuesday that claimed to have tipped the balance in the debate about the virus' origins.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4653 on: July 27, 2022, 02:18:24 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4654 on: July 27, 2022, 08:47:28 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 27, 2022, 01:29:23 PM
Mn!!!!!

https://news.yahoo.com/pair-studies-point-natural-covid-213514366.html

I got all the way to ......
"Michael Worobey of the University of Arizona, who co-authored both papers,"

Not bad. 4 of the 5 authors of the Proximal Origins paper signed on to one. Where's Lipkin tho ?

Funding: This project has been funded in whole or in part with Federal funds from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, National Institutes of Health, Department of Health and Human Services, under Contract No. 75N93021C00015 (MW). JIL acknowledges support from the NIH (5T32AI007244-38). SAG acknowledges support from the NIH (F32AI152341). JEP acknowledges support from the NIH (T15LM011271). JOW acknowledges support from NIH (AI135992 and AI136056). DLR acknowledges support of the Medical Research Council (MC_UU_12014/12) and the Wellcome Trust (220977/Z/20/Z). MAS, PL and AR acknowledge the support of the Wellcome Trust (Collaborators Award 206298/Z/17/Z – ARTIC network),

Got a link for the other one ?

Lol.
Yahoo !!!
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4655 on: July 27, 2022, 10:06:21 PM »
Why trust qualified scientists with impartial funding? I only listen to political analysts funded by Rupert Murdoch.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4656 on: July 28, 2022, 07:56:41 AM »
Paragraph 1.

"However, the observation that the preponderance of early cases were linked to the Huanan market does not establish that the pandemic originated there."
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4657 on: July 28, 2022, 09:59:30 AM »
Quote from: Mn on July 28, 2022, 07:56:41 AM
Paragraph 1.

"However, the observation that the preponderance of early cases were linked to the Huanan market does not establish that the pandemic originated there."

Sounds like they based their theory on more than that.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4658 on: July 28, 2022, 03:44:10 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 27, 2022, 10:06:21 PM
Why trust qualified scientists with impartial funding? I only listen to political analysts funded by Rupert Murdoch.

Because the phone call is coming from inside the house.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4659 on: July 29, 2022, 09:53:44 AM »
The value of a disclaimer such as ‘the observation that the preponderance of early cases were linked to the Huanan market does not establish that the pandemic originated there’.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/has-the-lab-leak-theory-really-been-disproved-

"The Beeb’s story says that ‘this evidence paints a picture that Sars-CoV-2 was present in live mammals that were sold at Huanan market in late 2019’. This too is wrong. Nobody has found any evidence of Sars-CoV-2 in live mammals at the market."

"The new paper shows that lots of early cases had visited the Huanan seafood market or lived near it, which we already knew. But for the first two weeks of January 2020, the Chinese authorities were defining pneumonia cases as (what we now call) Covid only if they had visited or lived near the market: so it is a circular argument. The scientists dismiss this ‘ascertainment bias’ problem by citing one of their own papers, which simply asserted that this problem could be ignored. As Dr Alina Chan of MIT and Harvard puts it: ‘Worobey et al. are claiming that there is no ascertainment bias because their lead author said so.’

Maybe 10% for The Big Guy could have asked Xi about the origin.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4660 on: July 29, 2022, 10:54:25 AM »
Oh boy. A right of center global warming denying source pointed out what we already knew. Nobody said anyone found infected animals at the market. There were infectable animals sold. The available data tells us most of the first people who got Covid had contact with the market. It may be potentially imperfect, but it is the only data we have. I imagine there is more to it than the smug dismissal of the Spectator.

There is also the molecular clock analysis. This too points away from the lab leak theory.

Nobody has ever said the lab leak theory was disproven. There is just a difference between possible and plausible. The right wing, especially the science denying right, likes a narrative in which China and scientists caused the pandemic and covered it up. So they cling to any shred of evidence, no matter how flimsy, that supports the narrative.

The author, Matt Ridley, thinks Global warming is beneficial.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4661 on: July 29, 2022, 01:27:45 PM »
This has the makings of a good donnybrook!
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4662 on: August 04, 2022, 07:04:08 AM »
"An animal market in China's Wuhan really was the epicenter of the Covid pandemic, ....."

Meanwhile, in March of 2020 we had our own epicenter and the presence of mind to not view the nursing home as the origin.
"Life Care Center, a low-slung building in a quiet part of town, is now the epicenter ......"
"It all began with patient zero. The 35-year-old had just returned to Seattle on January 15 from visiting family in Wuhan, China."
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/coronavirus-outbreak-how-it-spread-nationwide-from-washington-state-nursing-home/

Steven Quay, speaking to a Senate committee yesterday ....



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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4663 on: August 04, 2022, 11:23:22 AM »
Quote from: Mn on August 04, 2022, 07:04:08 AM
"An animal market in China's Wuhan really was the epicenter of the Covid pandemic, ....."

Meanwhile, in March of 2020 we had our own epicenter and the presence of mind to not view the nursing home as the origin.
"Life Care Center, a low-slung building in a quiet part of town, is now the epicenter ......"
"It all began with patient zero. The 35-year-old had just returned to Seattle on January 15 from visiting family in Wuhan, China."
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/coronavirus-outbreak-how-it-spread-nationwide-from-washington-state-nursing-home/

Steven Quay, speaking to a Senate committee yesterday ....


He's a Michigan man. What makes you think he can be trusted?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #4664 on: August 04, 2022, 11:45:14 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on August 04, 2022, 11:23:22 AM
He's a Michigan man. What makes you think he can be trusted?
Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't noticed it.
The hearing was very interesting tho.
Truthers might not appreciate it the way a conspiracy theorist might.
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