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General Category => Fighting Illini Basketball Forum => Topic started by: Reacher on March 15, 2021, 11:27:44 AM
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I’m here to give Underwood credit and say I was mostly wrong (sort of) about whether he would turn around the program. He’s far exceeded his first contract expectations. I do think he’s been incredibly lucky. I’m not sure he’s a Final Four favorite if not for Covid.
There were some unforeseen things that worked out to his advantage. Ayo staying 3 years, Kofi essentially emerging as the best true big our program has ever had (anyone who said they saw that coming was just being an optimistic homer). Curbelo is something else. Did Antigua deliver bother Kofi and Curbelo? If so, give him the co-MVC
Regardless of how we got here, Underwood has far exceeded my expectations to this point and for that he deserves my (mostly) mea culpa. This team has grown before our very eyes and has been a joy to watch. Not sure anyone can beat Gonzaga, but I sure hope they get a chance.
I’m also pleased there’s been no embarrassing PR lately. And having said all of the above, I’d still rather have Shaka Smart. Even if it has taken him a while to find real success at Texas.
If that’s not a Tempo style Pat on the back to Underwood, what is?!
Good job Coach U.
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I’m here to give Underwood credit and say I was mostly wrong (sort of) about whether he would turn around the program. He’s far exceeded his first contract expectations. I do think he’s been incredibly lucky. I’m not sure he’s a Final Four favorite if not for Covid.
There were some unforeseen things that worked out to his advantage. Ayo staying 3 years, Kofi essentially emerging as the best true big our program has ever had (anyone who said they saw that coming was just being an optimistic homer). Curbelo is something else. Did Antigua deliver bother Kofi and Curbelo? If so, give him the co-MVC
Regardless of how we got here, Underwood has far exceeded my expectations to this point and for that he deserves my (mostly) mea culpa. This team has grown before our very eyes and has been a joy to watch. Not sure anyone can beat Gonzaga, but I sure hope they get a chance.
I’m also pleased there’s been no embarrassing PR lately. And having said all of the above, I’d still rather have Shaka Smart. Even if it has taken him a while to find real success at Texas.
If that’s not a Tempo style Pat on the back to Underwood, what is?!
Good job Coach U.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 But no to the Shaka take. Of course if you didn’t say it, you wouldn’t be Tempo🤷🏻♂️😂 I was hoping for more of a shoutout to Reggie Theus honestly.
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Now that's how you passive-aggressive.
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I’m here to give Underwood credit and say I was mostly wrong (sort of) about whether he would turn around the program. He’s far exceeded his first contract expectations. I do think he’s been incredibly lucky. I’m not sure he’s a Final Four favorite if not for Covid.
There were some unforeseen things that worked out to his advantage. Ayo staying 3 years, Kofi essentially emerging as the best true big our program has ever had (anyone who said they saw that coming was just being an optimistic homer). Curbelo is something else. Did Antigua deliver bother Kofi and Curbelo? If so, give him the co-MVC
Regardless of how we got here, Underwood has far exceeded my expectations to this point and for that he deserves my (mostly) mea culpa. This team has grown before our very eyes and has been a joy to watch. Not sure anyone can beat Gonzaga, but I sure hope they get a chance.
I’m also pleased there’s been no embarrassing PR lately. And having said all of the above, I’d still rather have Shaka Smart. Even if it has taken him a while to find real success at Texas.
If that’s not a Tempo style Pat on the back to Underwood, what is?!
Good job Coach U.
Geez. Good luck with this one. LOL.
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You know I love me some Reggie Theus. That should just be a given.
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Now that's how you passive-aggressive.
Well; at least I’m consistent. You seem to bounce back and forth between PA and hostile.
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Underwood at.least has shown he is adaptable to his talent. Which is pleasantly surprising and obviously a good sign as to his coaching abilities.
A concern I have had lately is how they seem to be able to get the ball to Kofi in the 1st half of games, then the opponent makes.asjustments to deny him the ball in the 2d half, and there is no adjustment on the Illini's part to be able to get the ball inside consistently.
Flame away, ECI UFFs!
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Underwood at.least has shown he is adaptable to his talent. Which is pleasantly surprising and obviously a good sign as to his coaching abilities.
A concern I have had lately is how they seem to be able to get the ball to Kofi in the 1st half of games, then the opponent makes.asjustments to deny him the ball in the 2d half, and there is no adjustment on the Illini's part to be able to get the ball inside consistently.
Flame away, ECI UFFs!
I think he is below average X and Os guy. Has gotten the team last year and this year to buy into toughness/defense in second half of both years.
I give him credit for that. We looked like soft weakass defensive shit not more than a month ago.
Obviously Ayo and Kofi playing way better now than they were in first half of year.
Ayo discovered a crossover and started playing D.
Kofi got dunked on by Davis at Indiana and it lit a fire.
Curbelo got through his crazyman out of control phase.
We are really good right now.
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I look at it as maybe a little of this is who we are and this is our game plan. If you make adjustments, we're still going with this is who we are and this is our game plan.
I would prefer to be wrong tho.
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I was AOTC on Underwood
certainly hit some bumps in the road over the last few years but glad to see the results blow waaaay past my expectations
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I think Kofi gets a little tired in 2H from battling double, triple (and in one case yesterday, a quadruple team) and then has trouble getting position. A lot of our turnovers come from trying to force it into the post.
The bright side is that he (and Ayo) require so much attention from the other team that it leaves openings for guys like Curbelo, Williams, Grandison, etc to step up. And they most certainly have. Those three games without Ayo ended up being incredibly important to the continued development of this team.
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Nonsense! Bet he can still crack a coconut between his knees!
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I'm glad my year 2 concerns about Underwood didn't pan out. Setting Ayo aside - because we can't rely on getting a player like that for a 3rd year - he's done a really good job developing Demonte, getting a guy like Curbelo, nabbing Miller and moving him along etc.
Bet Archie Miller feels kinda stupid right now.
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Nonsense! Bet he can still crack a coconut between his knees!
This probably falls in category of micro aggression.
We try and run a Meyers Leonard free forum here.
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The Maypan are usually tall and disease resistant with nuts somewhat larger than the other varieties. It contains more water and the skin is generally green in colour. It is a hybrid between the Malayan Dwarf and the Panama Tall and has a sturdier tree than the Malayan Dwarf. Jamaica first started using it for commercial production in 1974.
The Malayan Dwarf has the advantage that being short it is easier to reap the nuts. The skin is usually yellow, red or green and the water is supposed to taste sweeter than the others.
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🤣🤣🤣
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Looks like somebody hacked into Illove's account.
Is there any cyber security here ?
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Looks like somebody hacked into Illove's account.
Is there any cyber security here ?
He is woke now.
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Underwood started to lose me after the Miami game. I was beginning to wonder if Josh made the right hire. He finally ditched his pressure defense once he realized it wasn’t going to fly against the Big Ten teams and we went on a run. The turn around was nothing short of remarkable and it was credit to he and his staff for making the necessary corrections. He would be sitting here with two consecutive tourney appearances on his Illini resume if not for the pandemic.
I believe the program will be just fine in his hands post Ayo/Kofi
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Underwood started to lose me after the Miami game. I was beginning to wonder if Josh made the right hire. He finally ditched his pressure defense once he realized it wasn’t going to fly against the Big Ten teams and we went on a run. The turn around was nothing short of remarkable and it was credit to he and his staff for making the necessary corrections. He would be sitting here with two consecutive tourney appearances on his Illini resume if not for the pandemic.
I believe the program will be just fine in his hands post Ayo/Kofi
Agreed.
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I believe the program will be just fine in his hands post Ayo/Kofi
It just depends on whether Josh can find his wallet.
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It just depends on whether Josh can find his wallet.
Pay the staff and the man. And make sure some supportive donors spread their philanthropy around.
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The coach I wanted to have fired and constantly criticized just turned out the best team in a historically good Big 10 conference and has us as a 1 seed who is favored to get to the Final Four at least. I want you all to know that I was mostly, sort of wrong about him.
Of course, all the things I was wrong about were either complete luck or were completely unforeseeable to anyone, no matter how knowledgeable. So in that sense, I really wasn’t wrong, because it would have been impossible for a realistic person to be right in that situation. I will not comment on the many posters who disagreed with me constantly and actually were right.
In conclusion, I’d rather have a coach who will never put a team this good together in his career.
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It just depends on whether Josh can find his wallet.
Well he had no problem with football.
I'm of the school of thought that you don't compete if a blue blood wants to make an insane offer, but otherwise you pay the man at this point and I don't see Brad being an obvious target for Kentucky or the NBA. Plus, I don't want Whitman making another coaching hire.
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Well he had no problem with football.
Correct me if I'm wrong: He's paying the going rate for the entire football staff, yes?
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Where is ChicagoFan’s mea culpa at?
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goemaw thinks Brad would leave Illinois for KSU. So, there's that.
That's more delusional than when Arkansas fans thought Self was going there.
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It just depends on whether Josh can find his wallet.
Pay the man whatever he fucking wants
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Correct me if I'm wrong: He's paying the going rate for the entire football staff, yes?
Staff I have no idea. I do know he overpaid Lovie and Bielema.
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Staff I have no idea. I do know he overpaid Lovie and Bielema.
I'll note this contribution, and remember to ignore any of your further opinions on the topic.
Thank you.
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Staff I have no idea. I do know he overpaid Lovie and Bielema.
Nah he didn’t. He paid the going rate. You have to these days.
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I'll note this contribution, and remember to ignore any of your further opinions on the topic.
Thank you.
My friend from Arkansas says Bielema and his 15 years younger casino snatched wife were seen as complete buffoons and incompetent and he sees a lot of that down there.
I have no idea what happened down there, but he did pretty damn good in BT before.
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My friend from Arkansas says Bielema and his 15 years younger casino snatched wife
I like the part of the story where she had no idea who he was. Just loved him for him — a balding, obese, unemployed drinker.
Gives us all hope, right?
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I like the part of the story where she had no idea who he was. Just loved him for him — a balding, obese, unemployed drinker.
Gives us all hope, right?
Gold diggers gonna gold dig....
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Ah, yes. When I look closer, I can see the peach fuzz.
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Ah, yes. When I look closer, I can see the peach fuzz.
Well done.
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The coach I wanted to have fired and constantly criticized just turned out the best team in a historically good Big 10 conference and has us as a 1 seed who is favored to get to the Final Four at least. I want you all to know that I was mostly, sort of wrong about him.
Of course, all the things I was wrong about were either complete luck or were completely unforeseeable to anyone, no matter how knowledgeable. So in that sense, I really wasn’t wrong, because it would have been impossible for a realistic person to be right in that situation. I will not comment on the many posters who disagreed with me constantly and actually were right.
In conclusion, I’d rather have a coach who will never put a team this good together in his career.
Outfuckingstanding
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well I guess he's good at recruiting
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Yeah unless their kids were IVF
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The coach I wanted to have fired and constantly criticized just turned out the best team in a historically good Big 10 conference and has us as a 1 seed who is favored to get to the Final Four at least. I want you all to know that I was mostly, sort of wrong about him.
Of course, all the things I was wrong about were either complete luck or were completely unforeseeable to anyone, no matter how knowledgeable. So in that sense, I really wasn’t wrong, because it would have been impossible for a realistic person to be right in that situation. I will not comment on the many posters who disagreed with me constantly and actually were right.
In conclusion, I’d rather have a coach who will never put a team this good together in his career.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
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The coach I wanted to have fired and constantly criticized just turned out the best team in a historically good Big 10 conference and has us as a 1 seed who is favored to get to the Final Four at least. I want you all to know that I was mostly, sort of wrong about him.
Of course, all the things I was wrong about were either complete luck or were completely unforeseeable to anyone, no matter how knowledgeable. So in that sense, I really wasn’t wrong, because it would have been impossible for a realistic person to be right in that situation. I will not comment on the many posters who disagreed with me constantly and actually were right.
In conclusion, I’d rather have a coach who will never put a team this good together in his career.
You have easily won the internet today 👏👏👏👏👏
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Well; at least I’m consistent. You seem to bounce back and forth between PA and hostile.
It's a new landscape now that Jobu's in charge.
Get with the times, grandpa.
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They could have hired a surrogate fucker for her.
But you’re probably right. They actually fucked.
Gross.
They actually have a child. He looks vaguely familiar. I can't quite put my finger on where I have seen him before.
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Nah he didn’t. He paid the going rate. You have to these days.
What is the "going rate" when no competitors are interested in purchasing the service?
The comparison here is not what Kirk Ferentz or Pat Fitzgerald make. That is how bad ADs wind up owing $$$ in buyouts, and that's the bullshit they feed dopey fiduciaries who don't take their job seriously.
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What is the "going rate" when no competitors are interested in purchasing the service?
The comparison here is not what Kirk Ferentz or Pat Fitzgerald make. That is how bad ADs wind up owing $$$ in buyouts, and that's the bullshit they feed dopey fiduciaries who don't take their job seriously.
This part I agree with. I don't know why Josh paid top dollar for the retreads, except for the obvious inference (that neither would accept a lesser offering because of the damage it would do to their reputations, and they didn't need the money).
But for purposes of both ongoing threads about coaching salaries, I'm talking about assistants.
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Historically assistants are underpaid relative to the boss, specifically ace recruiters.
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But programs not run by Ron Guenther pay their assistants well. Good programs, that is.
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Historically assistants are underpaid relative to the boss, specifically ace recruiters.
The Illini better pay Orlando and Coleman.
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Exactly.
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Lorenzo Romar. Never forget Lorenzo Romar.
Yep; he was like my 5th (realistic) choice after we fired Weber. I was clearly all-in on Romar.
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Well he had no problem with football.
I'm of the school of thought that you don't compete if a blue blood wants to make an insane offer, but otherwise you pay the man at this point and I don't see Brad being an obvious target for Kentucky or the NBA. Plus, I don't want Whitman making another coaching hire.
I thought we were his dream job. He’s done a hell of a job putting this team together, but I’d be surprised if Underwood got hired by someone bigger and better. I think he’d take a hometown discount but I could be wrong.
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The Illini better pay Orlando and Coleman.
Yes. Agreed.
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The coach I wanted to have fired and constantly criticized just turned out the best team in a historically good Big 10 conference and has us as a 1 seed who is favored to get to the Final Four at least. I want you all to know that I was mostly, sort of wrong about him.
Of course, all the things I was wrong about were either complete luck or were completely unforeseeable to anyone, no matter how knowledgeable. So in that sense, I really wasn’t wrong, because it would have been impossible for a realistic person to be right in that situation. I will not comment on the many posters who disagreed with me constantly and actually were right.
In conclusion, I’d rather have a coach who will never put a team this good together in his career.
Solid work. But I think it’s safe to say Underwood found a nice balance of good work and luck. This team probably doesn’t exist as is if not for Covid. And we’ve all seen our share of one-hit wonders. I remember when Bruce Weber was the cat’s meow (or even John Groce in year 2). I’ll extend it to a full mea culpa if Underwood is still winning big in 2-3 years. Having said that; what we’ve seen the past 6 weeks has far exceeded any realistic expectations.
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Solid work. But I think it’s safe to say Underwood found a nice balance of good work and luck. This team probably doesn’t exist as is if not for Covid. And we’ve all seen our share of one-hit wonders. I remember when Bruce Weber was the cat’s meow (or even John Groce in year 2). I’ll extend it to a full mea culpa if Underwood is still winning big in 2-3 years. Having said that; what we’ve seen the past 6 weeks has far exceeded any realistic expectations.
You are such a Chicagoan....the ultimate insult on this board!
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It might. But it might not.
Think about that.
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Tempo and his disastrous forward thinking and just here to stir the pot comments are back. Things are trending up at the HQ2.
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It might. But it might not.
Think about that.
Oh, it has become the insult du jour for not drinking the orange kool-aid because of two good seasons of basketball and paying market rates for an unemployed football coach who had zero other job opportunities. Hopefully it works out better than the Bears QB situation.
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Solid work. But I think it’s safe to say Underwood found a nice balance of good work and luck. This team probably doesn’t exist as is if not for Covid. And we’ve all seen our share of one-hit wonders. I remember when Bruce Weber was the cat’s meow (or even John Groce in year 2). I’ll extend it to a full mea culpa if Underwood is still winning big in 2-3 years. Having said that; what we’ve seen the past 6 weeks has far exceeded any realistic expectations.
Thanks. I think you’re already 100% proven wrong though. Neither Groce nor Weber was able to put together a great team, and Groce never even put together a good one. This team is pretty much 100% Underwood.
LOL at equating “realistic expectations” with your own expectations, BTW. Classic Tempo!
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I don’t think pointing out that the Chicago people here are typically more cynical than others is an insult, it’s just an observed behavior. It’s like you can’t even enjoy the success because it might not last. But that’s precisely why you should enjoy it.
It’s ok to give the staff and AD some props and a job well done to this point. Doesn’t mean once you’ve praised someone they have to turn in a career like K or Izzo to warrant your current approval.
Confucius say: Do not trade appreciation of what we are witnessing for AOTC points on HQ.
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Confucius say: Do not trade appreciation of what we are witnessing for AOTC points on HQ.
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Also about Bielema obviously there are question marks but the guy wasn’t unemployed. He was hired as a consultant to Bill Belichick three years ago, retained that role and became D Line coach 2 years ago, and then joined the new Giants staff last year as senior associate HC/LB coach. He’s got a Super Bowl ring.
We may not have had much competition for his services at the P5 level but he did interview for several college coaching jobs while with the Giants. He was a candidate for the Michigan State and Colorado openings the year prior. He reportedly was the backup plan at Rutgers if they couldn’t reach a deal to bring Schiano back.
While 4.2 million seems like overpaying it’s still below conference average and puts UI squarely in the middle of the pack. Maybe he could have gotten the guy for 3.5 or even 3, maybe not. What’s really important is that JW also opened up the checkbook for the assistant pool, and from what most knowledgeable people have said, the results have been fairly impressive.
This hire also had a lot to do with fit and that can’t be understated either. Beilema surely seems like a better fit here than New Jersey or Colorado.
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Confucius say: Do not trade appreciation of what we are witnessing for AOTC points on HQ.
Hafta say, that was impressively foresighted of him.
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Plenty of coaches have found success with the previous coach's players.
It's who you recruit and what you do with your own recruits that matter.
Kudos to Trent and DaMonte for their contributions.
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Thanks. I think you’re already 100% proven wrong though.
LOL at equating “realistic expectations” with your own expectations, BTW. Classic Tempo!
Huh?
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Back on the old board, when Underwood was hired, I was the one that said he was a great hire and he was a big dick coach and would have big dick recruiting. After 4 years, my assessment has been correct..like usual.
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Take it to the unsolicited dick pics thread.
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The coach I wanted to have fired and constantly criticized just turned out the best team in a historically good Big 10 conference and has us as a 1 seed who is favored to get to the Final Four at least. I want you all to know that I was mostly, sort of wrong about him.
Of course, all the things I was wrong about were either complete luck or were completely unforeseeable to anyone, no matter how knowledgeable. So in that sense, I really wasn’t wrong, because it would have been impossible for a realistic person to be right in that situation. I will not comment on the many posters who disagreed with me constantly and actually were right.
In conclusion, I’d rather have a coach who will never put a team this good together in his career.
Well done.
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LOL that's hilarious md
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Huh?
You said that the team exceeded any realistic expectations. No. The team exceeded YOUR expectations of what was realistic. Those expectations turned out to be wrong, in case it needed to be said again.
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Tempo will respond to this post at around 2:30 am.
He is smart guy. He will adjust. ILLINIHQ2 is not as much of a pedantic dick measuring platform as the old forum.
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Tempo will respond to this post at around 2:30 am.
Twice.
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Np
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IlliniHQ, still living in 2015. Never change, fellas. Who am I kidding, of course you won’t.
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You said that the team exceeded any realistic expectations. No. The team exceeded YOUR expectations of what was realistic. Those expectations turned out to be wrong, in case it needed to be said again.
So you’re saying the day Underwood took the job you expected to be a 1 seed by 2021? Because that’s what I’m talking about. Underwood has exceeded any realistic expectations up to this point.
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Haha, ok. So, this is the party line. We're gonna pretend that the OG HQ never happened. You and Lkdog seem to want that to happen.
Hey, that's fine. So, when Tempo makes the original post that got this thread started, that basically calls all of that shit back, now we're gonna say, hey, let's not be original HQ.
Get the fuck out of here.
If Tempo is still going to take his same tack, if he's still going to respond to people at 2:30am (which he did recently), if he's going to start threads like this one, and I'm going to be told that things are different...well, I'm going to tell you that you are full of shit.
All of my past and present opinions stand.
😂
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For the record, I’m typically in bed before midnight nowadays. Occupational changes and small children have a way of changing things.
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IlliniHQ, still living in 2015. Never change, fellas. Who am I kidding, of course you won’t.
2015? This is a message board (2005's preferred social media)(that I love!) for fans of a team that can't talk enough about how awesome our team was 30 years ago.
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2015? This is a message board (2005's preferred social media)(that I love!) for fans of a team that can't talk enough about how awesome our team was 30 years ago.
They’re hurling the same insults and tropes from about 6 years ago.
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They’re hurling the same insults and tropes from about 6 years ago.
Well if they’re still true today and those people are acting the same as they were 6 years ago, why should they be the ones to change if you haven’t....
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Haha, ok. So, this is the party line. We're gonna pretend that the OG HQ never happened. You and Lkdog seem to want that to happen.
Hey, that's fine. So, when Tempo makes the original post that got this thread started, that basically calls all of that shit back, now we're gonna say, hey, let's not be original HQ.
Get the fuck out of here.
If Tempo is still going to take his same tack, if he's still going to respond to people at 2:30am (which he did recently), if he's going to start threads like this one, and I'm going to be told that things are different...well, I'm going to tell you that you are full of shit.
All of my past and present opinions stand.
WTF are you talking about? Had no interest in the bullshit pissing matches at old HQ. Tempo and others enjoy them.
They want to resurrect that- I don't give a fck.
I do agree, your shtick was psycho then , and is now so that is the same for sure. You just keep being Jobu.
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Well if they’re still true today and those people are acting the same as they were 6 years ago, why should they be the ones to change if you haven’t....
Oke doke
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So you’re saying the day Underwood took the job you expected to be a 1 seed by 2021? Because that’s what I’m talking about. Underwood has exceeded any realistic expectations up to this point.
I didn’t specifically expect a 1-seed, but I thought it was realistic, especially after Ayo was on campus and Kofi committed.
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Sounds good, I will. Thanks for your blessing.
You guys act like I'm bringing stuff back from the past. I'm not. It's always been here. Tempo started this thread, not me. This is a classic Tempo dipshit thread.
Yeah. I knew this would be a fcked up thread with mutual masturbating for a few days. Games start tomorrow.
Thanks for starting the pool on ESPN.
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I didn’t specifically expect a 1-seed, but I thought it was realistic, especially with Ayo on campus and Kofi committed.
That was dreaming pretty big. I think a couple of years ago virtually all of us (myself included) would have been gleeful over earning a 5 seed.
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Games start tomorrow.
I got news for ya, buddy ...
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I got news for ya, buddy ...
the real games anyway
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WTF are you talking about? Had no interest in the bullshit pissing matches at old HQ. Tempo and others enjoy them.
They want to resurrect that- I don't give a fck.
I do agree, your shtick was psycho then , and is now so that is the same for sure. You just keep being Jobu.
One vote for banning Champaign Transplant, PeoriaSteve, and NEOhioIllini should they ever show up here noted.
What if the Eastern European download music spammers, knock off handbag, and Blue Pill sellers showed up? Yea or nay?
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I didn’t specifically expect a 1-seed, but I thought it was realistic, especially after Ayo was on campus and Kofi committed.
You can add Second Annual Tempo HQ2 AOTC Award winner to your sig.
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You can add Second Annual Tempo HQ2 AOTC Award winner to your sig.
I missed the memo. What is AOTC?
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One vote for banning Champaign Transplant, PeoriaSteve, and NEOhioIllini should they ever show up here noted.
What if the Eastern European download music spammers, knock off handbag, and Blue Pill sellers showed up? Yea or nay?
No to the dick ads.
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One vote for banning Champaign Transplant, PeoriaSteve, and NEOhioIllini should they ever show up here noted.
Dissent as to the first two. Cesspool gotta cesspool, yo.
NEO was just an ass.
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Oh, man. Wichita St/Drake is a REAL FUCKING GAME!
And, Izzo's playing too...right?
I made three brackets. The 11-seed winners make it to all six Sweet 16s in those brackets.
Yes, they are real games.
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Imo, CT was misunderstood quite a bit.
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That was dreaming pretty big. I think a couple of years ago virtually all of us (myself included) would have been gleeful over earning a 5 seed.
I would have been happy with a 5 seed, presuming the cupboard wasn’t bare for the future.
Bottom line, I (and many others) always thought Underwood was a good coach and would turn it around, and you didn’t. You’re nitpicking over definitions to try to make yourself look “realistic” instead of wrong.
But you can’t. The only way you could have been more wrong is if you were ChicagoFan or CT (who still somehow pined for Weber).
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Imo, CT was a fucking jerkoff. And I'm being nice by calling him a fucking jerkoff.
The most important thing is that on this board, you can call him a fucking jerkoff. It’s the little things that matter.
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I wrote a column at Smile Politely about Groce and his potential for success. I quoted larue.
We could probably track down the exact quote, but I would describe it as cautious optimism.
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Imo, CT was misunderstood quite a bit.
He was an openly conservative Asian, of course he was misunderstood at HQ.
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I missed the memo. What is AOTC?
Ahead Of The Curve.
In the dictionary, it merely says "See Tempo34"
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He was an openly conservative Asian, of course he was misunderstood at HQ.
His love of rich blondes and tax fraud were not misunderstood.
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He was Asian? Huh. Thought he was a black dude.
Whatever he was, he was a jag.
Not sure black or white, etc., dudes take offense at the phrase "pixelated Asian porn," unless they are upset about the "pixelated" and not the "Asian" part.
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A lot of people like them some Asian porn.
I think it’s fine.
Point was that CT took issue with the phrase as thinking it was racist and he was Asian and saw nothing wrong with pixelated Asian porn, I guess.
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Did it bother him that I found the pixelated porn near a dumpster? I can't remember.
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Did it bother him that I found the pixelated porn near a dumpster? I can't remember.
It most certainly did. Did you find his accountant there?
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Agreed. It was fun watching Steve the power lawyer get his ass kicked on the boards on a daily basis. And I loved when CT and Tempo were blowing each other about their military service.
NEO...nothing redeeming whatsoever.
I’ve rarely ever mentioned my military service and almost never do unless someone else brings it up first, so not sure what you’re “remembering.” My military service wasn’t in any way exceptional.
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I would have been happy with a 5 seed, presuming the cupboard wasn’t bare for the future.
Bottom line, I (and many others) always thought Underwood was a good coach and would turn it around, and you didn’t. You’re nitpicking over definitions to try to make yourself look “realistic” instead of wrong.
But you can’t. The only way you could have been more wrong is if you were ChicagoFan or CT (who still somehow pined for Weber).
Oh, I didn’t know having doubts wasn’t allowed. It certainly didn’t look that promising years’ one and two.
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I’ve rarely ever mentioned my military service and almost never do unless someone else brings it up first, so not sure what you’re “remembering.” My military service wasn’t in any way exceptional.
You at least didn't lose us Vietnam like Gelato did.
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He's always been jealous of Larue. That dude sniffed out Weber way before anyone else. Ever since that happened, Tempo wanted to be just like him. It was very important for him to get out in front and be first. But when he's first and he's wrong he has to cover it, instead of just saying, damn, I was fuckin wrong.
See, people are wrong all the time. I am definitely wrong all the time and when I am I own it. Tempo can't just say "I was wrong" without some bullshit qualifier.
Thing about Larue though, is he was dead wrong about Groce and Thomas. He went down in flames with those fuckers.
I’ve been wrong about things, and have admitted it many times. A recent example was Archie Miller. I thought he’d be great at Indiana. I was wrong.
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He was cautiously optimistic, but if I recall correctly, when the shit was hitting the fan, he was hanging on for dear life.
I might be misremembering tho. Hell, I don't know. Maybe I could Tempo it up and come up with some bullshit about how I was wrong, but realistically, everyone else was wrong too. Or some shit.
Man, you’ve got a real boner for me, huh. But yeah; I remember it the same way. He was all-in on Groce and Mike Thomas. I thought the guy was the best poster on the board, though. And yes, I considered him a “role model” as a forum contributor.
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It was when you and CT were whining about Brad being a big meanie, and CT talking about how he was some big shot military leader and he knew how to lead and you don’t yell at people and blah blah.
You were lapping it up in lockstep.
Oh, yeah. I mean yeah, most people have come to the realization methods from the 60s aren’t the best coaching/motivational methods anymore.
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No, not really.
You mention me in about every other post. Also; I thought you died?
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One of the symptoms of alcoholism is forgetfulness.
I don’t really think you’re an alcoholic by the way.
I’ll quit mentioning you if it bothers you.
Tempo, he faked his death. Spark was really mad when he found out Jobu's faked his death.
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Tempo, he faked his death. Spark was really mad when he found out Jobu's faked his death.
I know. Just pointing out he’s the one that calls ME an attention whore.
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One of the symptoms of alcoholism is forgetfulness.
I don’t really think you’re an alcoholic by the way.
I’ll quit mentioning you if it bothers you.
Maybe just a bit less. But please, DON’T stop talking about me!
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That was Reggie. And yes, Spark was mad. Probably still is.
I was wrong (sort of) for doing that. Although I was kinda pretty much right, I was wrong (sort of).
hahahaha. That's good. Well done.
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I never called you an attention whore.
Well I wish you would, I like dirty talk.
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Oooo, you’re naughty.
Ok ok, quit with the foreplay and just tell him to suck your cock already.
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Gotta finesse him first.
No point, he’s not gonna get wet, the alcohol dried out his pussy....
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It most certainly did. Did you find his accountant there?
Holy fuck I forgot about that guy basically admitting to be a tax cheat or whatever it was.
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Jim Souhan column today, writing for the fishwrap ...
"Coach of color hire at U overdue"
Meanwhile, lil Ricky takes a pay cut with the Lobos going from $2.5 million left on his contract for the next 3 years to under $5 million for 6 years.
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Jim Souhan column today, writing for the fishwrap ...
"Coach of color hire at U overdue"
Meanwhile, lil Ricky takes a pay cut with the Lobos going from $2.5 million left on his contract for the next 3 years to under $5 million for 6 years.
Wouldn’t/can’t really complain if you’re him. That’s one hell of a salary 5 hours after you’ve been fired.
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My bad. It should have read $2.5 million per year, for the 3 remaining years.
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Not sure black or white, etc., dudes take offense at the phrase "pixelated Asian porn," unless they are upset about the "pixelated" and not the "Asian" part.
He was South Asian, I believe, which makes it that much stranger that he was so offended by the pixelated porn thing, which is East Asian (actually maybe exclusively Japan).
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Still want Shaka Smart?
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Still want Shaka Smart?
Are you saying you never wanted him?
“Want” is a little strong, but I’m confident we could, and have, done worse. His record in Texas with all he has available to him is mostly impossible to defend, I’ll say that. I think he would recruit well here and be good with PR, that’s 75% of the battle. He’s still very young. He’ll be a successful coach for a long time. Maybe just not at the highest level like most expected.
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Meanwhile, lil Ricky takes a pay cut with the Lobos going from $2.5 million left on his contract for the next 3 years to under $5 million for 6 years.
The coaching carousel is so fuckin bizarre.
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Are you saying you never wanted him?
“Want” is a little strong, but I’m confident we could, and have, done worse. His record in Texas with all he has available to him is mostly impossible to defend, I’ll say that. I think he would recruit well here and be good with PR, that’s 75% of the battle. He’s still very young. He’ll be a successful coach for a long time. Maybe just not at the highest level like most expected.
I would have been happy with the hire but I was not enthusiastic about him the way I was Stevens because footage from the VCU run suggested to me that he was obnoxiously motivational speaker-y and I didn't think his defense would do anything in the B1G. Plus, his inherited VCU so there was a recruiting concern. The style concerns appear valid.
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The coaching carousel is so fuckin bizarre.
And Steve Alford still has a head coaching job.
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Are you saying you never wanted him?
“Want” is a little strong, but I’m confident we could, and have, done worse. His record in Texas with all he has available to him is mostly impossible to defend, I’ll say that. I think he would recruit well here and be good with PR, that’s 75% of the battle. He’s still very young. He’ll be a successful coach for a long time. Maybe just not at the highest level like most expected.
Did I say I never wanted him?
I wanted Smart instead of Groce, because Smart is clearly the better coach of the two. You’re the one who is saying you still want him.
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Did I say I never wanted him?
I wanted Smart instead of Groce, because Smart is clearly the better coach of the two. You’re the one who is saying you still want him.
Yeah; I’ve been saying that a lot lately 🤨
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You said in the first post in this thread that you would rather have Shaka.
Haha, damn. I sure did. Excuse me while I go clean this dog poo of my shoe.
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Never change, never change. Smh 😂
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Wasn’t trying for a gotcha moment. You said it. So fucking own it.
Or don’t. Whatever. I don’t care.
I just did own it...
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ChicagoFan laughs last, laughs loudest.
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I’m here to give Underwood credit and say I was mostly wrong (sort of) about whether he would turn around the program. He’s far exceeded his first contract expectations. I do think he’s been incredibly lucky. I’m not sure he’s a Final Four favorite if not for Covid.
There were some unforeseen things that worked out to his advantage. Ayo staying 3 years, Kofi essentially emerging as the best true big our program has ever had (anyone who said they saw that coming was just being an optimistic homer). Curbelo is something else. Did Antigua deliver bother Kofi and Curbelo? If so, give him the co-MVC
Regardless of how we got here, Underwood has far exceeded my expectations to this point and for that he deserves my (mostly) mea culpa. This team has grown before our very eyes and has been a joy to watch. Not sure anyone can beat Gonzaga, but I sure hope they get a chance.
I’m also pleased there’s been no embarrassing PR lately. And having said all of the above, I’d still rather have Shaka Smart. Even if it has taken him a while to find real success at Texas.
If that’s not a Tempo style Pat on the back to Underwood, what is?!
Good job Coach U.
Looks like you were more right than wrong. You were AOTC before you got behind the curve.
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Underwood at.least has shown he is adaptable to his talent. Which is pleasantly surprising and obviously a good sign as to his coaching abilities.
A concern I have had lately is how they seem to be able to get the ball to Kofi in the 1st half of games, then the opponent makes.asjustments to deny him the ball in the 2d half, and there is no adjustment on the Illini's part to be able to get the ball inside consistently.
Flame away, ECI UFFs!
Great 2d half adjustments, Underachiever!!!!
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I think he is below average X and Os guy. Has gotten the team last year and this year to buy into toughness/defense in second half of both years.
I give him credit for that. We looked like soft weakass defensive shit not more than a month ago.
Obviously Ayo and Kofi playing way better now than they were in first half of year.
Ayo discovered a crossover and started playing D.
Kofi got dunked on by Davis at Indiana and it lit a fire.
Curbelo got through his crazyman out of control phase.
We are really good right now.
Uh, no Illinois is not good right now.
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I was AOTC on Underwood
certainly hit some bumps in the road over the last few years but glad to see the results blow waaaay past my expectations
Post did not age well.
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Looks like you were more right than wrong. You were AOTC before you got behind the curve.
True, the curve keeps moving. But I’m right there with it. I’ve been ahead of it, and had my head snapped by it.
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Upon further review, yeah, eff it...I’d still take Shaka.
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I think Kofi gets a little tired in 2H from battling double, triple (and in one case yesterday, a quadruple team) and then has trouble getting position. A lot of our turnovers come from trying to force it into the post.
The bright side is that he (and Ayo) require so much attention from the other team that it leaves openings for guys like Curbelo, Williams, Grandison, etc to step up. And they most certainly have. Those three games without Ayo ended up being incredibly important to the continued development of this team.
Didn't look like it when it really counted.
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I'm glad my year 2 concerns about Underwood didn't pan out.
Might want to reconsider this and the Krutwig take.
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I believe the program will be just fine in his hands post Ayo/Kofi
May be time to reconsider this take.
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It just depends on whether Josh can find his wallet.
Should have offered Lidell more $$$.
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May be time to reconsider this take.
Nah. Not yet.
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Even after watching that game last night?
Or did you watch it?
Today sucked, for sure. But I’ll go ahead and keep Brad and not pine for a coach that lost to Abilene Christian.
Have a good day. I’m gonna go enjoy the nice weather.
It looked like Brad spent yesterday at the fucking Buffalo Wild Wings watching basketball.
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Nah. Not yet.
Put a fork in Brad Underachiever.
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Put a fork in Brad Underachiever.
He’s got the program going in the right direction. Shitty day today all around.
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Where is ChicagoFan’s mea culpa at?
This one has to sting.
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The Illini better pay Orlando and Coleman.
And pay better players to come to Champaign.
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This one has to sting.
Not enough to go off the deep end like you apparently are with all these bumps.
I still like you though.
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I would have been happy with a 5 seed, presuming the cupboard wasn’t bare for the future.
Bottom line, I (and many others) always thought Underwood was a good coach and would turn it around, and you didn’t. You’re nitpicking over definitions to try to make yourself look “realistic” instead of wrong.
But you can’t. The only way you could have been more wrong is if you were ChicagoFan or CT (who still somehow pined for Weber).
Head out over your skis a little here.
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Not enough to go off the deep end like you apparently are with all these bumps.
I still like you though.
You're a good egg. Just giving Custard the business here. Although, I have not found his "cynical Chicagoans" posts yet on the Underwood issue....
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Back on the old board, when Underwood was hired, I was the one that said he was a great hire and he was a big dick coach and would have big dick recruiting. After 4 years, my assessment has been correct..like usual.
Magic 8 Ball says....not so sure.
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Might want to reconsider this and the Krutwig take.
The one where I said I wish we'd offered him?
My year 2 concern was that we had too much roster turnover and recruiting wouldn't be able to compensate.
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He’s got the program going in the right direction. Shitty day today all around.
Alan Griffin got just as far in tournament as we did.
We're in neutral right now. Should have a good core next year but if Belo or Miller bail we're fucked.
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We lost to an experienced top 20 team while missing a ton of shots that normally go down. It was a clown show. Most of it was their prep and play and some of it was just that kind of off day that happens in the tourney when the bright lights are on.
If you want to look for something that’s not a slam on someone find where I’ve said multiple times that “positionless” Brad Underwood constructed too much of a traditional roster which works for the B1G but there’s a reason basketball has moved away from that. I mean you get a guy like Kofi you work with that. But we never got the stretch 4 or versatile 5 this team desperately needed. Too one dimensional in every aspect today and too slow to adjust.
I think BU deserves a lot of the blame not just for Loyola looking like the better coached team but also for not getting a big guy a couple years ago that allows this team to play a more modern style of game. It’s evident in his recruiting that he realizes the shortcomings of this type of roster and is loading up on skilled athletic wings.
I’m not going to jump off the bridge here on Underwood when he took a perennial bubble team to a ~top 20 team in 3 seasons and a top 2 ranking, 1 seed, BTT win, and arguable reg season B1G championship in year 4. It’s not the end of the world.
I give Loyola a ton of credit for coming to play and taking away everything the Illini tried to do. Those turnovers weren’t accidents, in most cases Loyola put guys in places to create them.
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We lost to an experienced top 20 team while missing a ton of shots that normally go down. It was a clown show. Most of it was their prep and play and some of it was just that kind of off day that happens in the tourney when the bright lights are on.
If you want to look for something that’s not a slam on someone find where I’ve said multiple times that “positionless” Brad Underwood constructed too much of a traditional roster which works for the B1G but there’s a reason basketball has moved away from that. I mean you get a guy like Kofi you work with that. But we never got the stretch 4 or versatile 5 this team desperately needed. Too one dimensional in every aspect today and too slow to adjust.
I think BU deserves a lot of the blame not just for Loyola looking like the better coached team but also for not getting a big guy a couple years ago that allows this team to play a more modern style of game. It’s evident in his recruiting that he realizes the shortcomings of this type of roster and is loading up on skilled athletic wings.
I’m not going to jump off the bridge here on Underwood when he took a perennial to a ~top 20 team in 3 seasons and a top 2 ranking, 1 seed, BTT win, and arguable reg season B1G championship in year 4. It’s not the end of the world.
I give Loyola a ton of credit for coming to play and taking away everything the Illini tried to do. Those turnovers weren’t accidents, in most cases Loyola put guys in places to create them.
Good post, but the trolls are out. It’s almost like ThePAMan and Tempo enjoy this. Coming in here to somehow validate whatever the fuck they’re trying to validate. I’m still not sure what they’re trying to gloat about or why. Makes no sense whatsoever. Or what their point is or what they’d change. What is it they wanting to happen?
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We lost to an experienced top 20 team while missing a ton of shots that normally go down. It was a clown show. Most of it was their prep and play and some of it was just that kind of off day that happens in the tourney when the bright lights are on.
If you want to look for something that’s not a slam on someone find where I’ve said multiple times that “positionless” Brad Underwood constructed too much of a traditional roster which works for the B1G but there’s a reason basketball has moved away from that. I mean you get a guy like Kofi you work with that. But we never got the stretch 4 or versatile 5 this team desperately needed. Too one dimensional in every aspect today and too slow to adjust.
I think BU deserves a lot of the blame not just for Loyola looking like the better coached team but also for not getting a big guy a couple years ago that allows this team to play a more modern style of game. It’s evident in his recruiting that he realizes the shortcomings of this type of roster and is loading up on skilled athletic wings.
I’m not going to jump off the bridge here on Underwood when he took a perennial bubble team to a ~top 20 team in 3 seasons and a top 2 ranking, 1 seed, BTT win, and arguable reg season B1G championship in year 4. It’s not the end of the world.
I give Loyola a ton of credit for coming to play and taking away everything the Illini tried to do. Those turnovers weren’t accidents, in most cases Loyola put guys in places to create them.
Very well said. My expectations going into the season was sweet 16. Missed by a game against a top 20 team that was inappropriately seeded. BYU a 6? gmafb!
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We lost to an experienced top 20 team while missing a ton of shots that normally go down. It was a clown show. Most of it was their prep and play and some of it was just that kind of off day that happens in the tourney when the bright lights are on.
If you want to look for something that’s not a slam on someone find where I’ve said multiple times that “positionless” Brad Underwood constructed too much of a traditional roster which works for the B1G but there’s a reason basketball has moved away from that. I mean you get a guy like Kofi you work with that. But we never got the stretch 4 or versatile 5 this team desperately needed. Too one dimensional in every aspect today and too slow to adjust.
I think BU deserves a lot of the blame not just for Loyola looking like the better coached team but also for not getting a big guy a couple years ago that allows this team to play a more modern style of game. It’s evident in his recruiting that he realizes the shortcomings of this type of roster and is loading up on skilled athletic wings.
I’m not going to jump off the bridge here on Underwood when he took a perennial bubble team to a ~top 20 team in 3 seasons and a top 2 ranking, 1 seed, BTT win, and arguable reg season B1G championship in year 4. It’s not the end of the world.
I give Loyola a ton of credit for coming to play and taking away everything the Illini tried to do. Those turnovers weren’t accidents, in most cases Loyola put guys in places to create them.
The point is, and was, and remains, let's wait until he actually coaches some NCAA tournament games until he is "crowned" and ChicagoFan owes mea culpas. Today was a very huge Red Flag if you ask me. He got punked despite having an advantage at every position (if you want to debate this point, that's fine). This team looked completely unprepared to play a team WI beat by 14 and only had 2 quad 1 wins (I think I have that right). The performance today was not only pathetic, but, unacceptable.
TL:DR I'm not drinking the kool aid anytime soon.
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Put a fork in Brad Underachiever.
Hey, Legends is back guys!
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Hey, Legends is back guys!
Ha ha. Lot of Low Thinking on the sidelines today!
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Tempo has a longstanding reputation for coming across as self-loathing. Maybe that’s his actual personality, or maybe it’s just a message board schtick. Regardless, no one should be surprised by it.
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Underwood at.least has shown he is adaptable to his talent. Which is pleasantly surprising and obviously a good sign as to his coaching abilities.
A concern I have had lately is how they seem to be able to get the ball to Kofi in the 1st half of games, then the opponent makes.asjustments to deny him the ball in the 2d half, and there is no adjustment on the Illini's part to be able to get the ball inside consistently.
Flame away, ECI UFFs!
So apparently Underwood wasn’t hailed by this crowd as a real
coup in the coaching department. What’s your recollection of this? And what was everyone excited about? Was it his stellar recruiting as a major D1 HC of one year?
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So apparently Underwood wasn’t hailed by this crowd as a real
coup in the coaching department. What’s your recollection of this? And what was everyone excited about? Was it his stellar recruiting as a major D1 HC of one year?
I recall that he was expected to yell at Black kids to toughen them up and have plenty of bag men. And the defensive scheme.
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Tempo has a longstanding reputation for coming across as self-loathing. Maybe that’s his actual personality, or maybe it’s just a message board schtick. Regardless, no one should be surprised by it.
LoL
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The performance today was not only pathetic, but, unacceptable.
Which is part of being a big program and bearable if we're back in the tournament next year as a top 6 seed.
But if we miss the tournament next year, IMO Whitman basically just tacked 2 years on Underwood's contract for no reason.
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Nobody had or is “crowning” Underwood. You can’t deny he’s done a damn good job in the short time he’s been here. Exceeding expectations it appears by even surprising Tempo enough for him to come on here and give a backhanded apology. Apparently according to him, nobody thought we’d be where we were this fast this year.
So which is it? Is he a good coach doing a good job and exceeding expectations, or a terrible coach who needs fired? I’d say he’s a good coach who turned around the perception and expectations of this program much faster than anyone excepted and reached levels we haven’t seen in 15 years. Now, unlike Weber, let’s see if he can sustain it. It appears we have a bright future though with the uptick in talent. Today was one game. A very important game, but that doesn’t diminish what they accomplished this year. Remember, only one coach can win it all every year. If that’s the only measurement, of course Tempo’s and PAM’s of the world are going to be “right.” Whatever the fuck that means. Congratulations, I guess. Not sure what all the gloating is for. Again, what is it you’re trying to prove or would wanna see change with the program if you have it all “figured out.”
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I'd say B overall with a chance to move to A or D depending on what happens next year.
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Tempo has a longstanding reputation for coming across as self-loathing. Maybe that’s his actual personality, or maybe it’s just a message board schtick. Regardless, no one should be surprised by it.
Lol
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I’m not looking to throw Underwood under the bus, or to replace him or anything like that. He’s far exceeded what I thought he’d do in year 4 even if going from my thoughts of two years ago. I will say that this loss is probably the toughest tourney loss we’ve had in nearly 40 years, with the only possible exception the ‘01 loss. But at least then we lost to a team many thought was at least as good, or perhaps better than us. Unlikely, but if Ayo and Kofi or even one of them were to return it would lessen the sting a good bit.
Overall, the program is clearly moving in the right direction; but this was a really strong opportunity to reach the championship game. Really only perhaps the 3rd time we could call ourselves a favorite to do so in my not so young anymore lifetime. I’m excited about the future, but this was a missed opportunity; and our history suggests we only get this close maybe every 15 years or so.
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I’m not looking to throw Underwood under the bus, or to replace him or anything like that. He’s far exceeded what I thought he’d do in year 4 even if going from my thoughts of two years ago. I will say that this loss is probably the toughest tourney loss we’ve had in nearly 40 years, with the only possible exception the ‘01 loss. But at least then we lost to a team many thought was at least as good, or perhaps better than us. Unlikely, but if Ayo and Kofi or even one of them were to return it would lessen the sting a good bit.
Overall, the program is clearly moving in the right direction; but this was a really strong opportunity to reach the championship game. Really only perhaps the 3rd time we could call ourselves a favorite to do so in my not so young anymore lifetime. I’m excited about the future, but this was a missed opportunity; and our history suggests we only get this close maybe every 15 years or so.
So wtf are you on here gloating about?! 🤔
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Haven’t heard much about the pinch post lately
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So wtf are you on here gloating about?! 🤔
You think I’m gloating? As usual, I’m just offering small doses of realism.
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Yes, we were an imperfect (but quite good) team. This was a very “gettable” year for us. There were no Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Arizona juggernauts to deal with. The only team that looked possibly clearly better than us was Gonzaga. And for the last 6-7 weeks we looked as good as anyone.
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You think I’m gloating? As usual, I’m just offering small doses of realism.
So what’s the dose of realism?!
You think because fans were excited, cheering, and happy with this season before today that we had somehow “crowned” Underwood?! You’ve posted more on here degrading him and the Illini than you ever have enjoying it. It’s almost like you come on here with something to prove yourself right about (see Custard’s self-loathing comment about you). About what exactly is the question? We’re all disappointed, but that doesn’t take away from what Underwood has done here so far. Like I previously said, he could be on the unemployment line where your boy Archie is.
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Jesus, I thought I was the (liberal) snowflake.
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I will give Coach Hulka a B-/C+ overall.
About a month ago he finally got them to start playing defense and to be better mentally prepared after some close calls against bottom feeders.
We were looking more like we were going to be a 3/4 seed rather than a 1.
Can't argue with the nice run since then. Give credit to the increase in intensity finally instilled in this group.
We did same thing last year in second half.
Today was very bad loss. No other way to describe it. As a #1 seed the only acceptable loss is in EE really.
I would rank this as maybe one of worst, or maybe the worst collapse in Illini tourney history. Our tourney run lasted all of 48 hours.
The lack of any in game adjustments was typical for Coach Hulka , and he let them dictate everything on both sides of the ball.
We had no D options all year except a quasi contain half court man. No offense really all year except transition run outs as much as possible, dump down to Kofi, and a high PnR for Ayo.
I laughed when the halftime reporter said Hulka told her we needed to play tougher and get the ball to Kofi more.
Moving forward we will see what happens. He has some rebuilding to do. Ayo is off to the NBA. Kofi would be better off going to G league or even at end of NBA bench to work full time to improve his
shooting, passing, defending. He should land on a roster someday.
We supposedly have a few high ranking guards sniffing around.
We will be a borderline tourney team at best unless we land a couple recruiting surprises.
It also could go south.
I like his approach to the game in terms of a culture of toughness. He needs to improve as an X and O coach. He better hold onto Antigua and Coleman.
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This is why I’m done. I can’t spend any more time on a tempo’d up board. Fuck that. It’s just no fun.
Yeah man, I hear ya. Idk what the fuck he’s trying to prove. Him and ThePAMan are just miserable fucks. They come on and somehow have to gloat about shit when there’s no point to it. They’re the trolls. Just wanna stir shit.
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No need to cannabalize each other here. Tough loss, but JFC a couple weeks before Brad Underwood took this job Illinois got manhandled by a Michigan team that had just survived a fucking airplane crash and was wearing their practice uniforms. Not long after that game, Illinois was handled by UCF in the NIT.
Fast forward to 2021:
23-6 reg season, 16-4 in a tough conference, moonpounded #2 MI on the road without Ayo, (IL had never won @#1 or 2) won BTT, won 16/17 going into tourney, won 3 away games against ranked opponents including 2 top 10s in one week, two AP All Americans, a Curbelo on freshman all B1G team and 6th man of the year award, and the coaching staff gets a C grade? All that other stuff doesn’t just go away because they lost on a neutral court to a veteran well-coached top 20 team while uncharacteristically missing a lot of shots in the paint.
And let’s not forget last years team was headed for a 5-7 seed and was ranked 21st when the season was whistled dead.
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No need to cannabalize each other here. Tough loss, but JFC a couple weeks before Brad Underwood took this job Illinois got manhandled by a Michigan team that had just survived a fucking airplane crash and was wearing their practice uniforms. Not long after that game, Illinois was handled by UCF in the NIT.
Fast forward to 2021:
23-6 reg season, 16-4 in a tough conference, moonpounded #2 MI on the road without Ayo, (IL had never won @#1 or 2) won BTT, won 16/17 going into tourney, won 3 away games against ranked opponents including 2 top 10s in one week, two AP All Americans, a Curbelo on freshman all B1G team and 6th man of the year award, and the coaching staff gets a C grade? All that other stuff doesn’t just go away because they lost on a neutral court to a veteran well-coached top 20 team while uncharacteristically missing a lot of shots in the paint.
And let’s not forget last years team was headed for a 5-7 seed and was ranked 21st when the season was whistled dead.
That’s not realism like Tempo spouts on here....🙄
Like him and ThePAMan acted like they won the lottery today when we fucking lost. I don’t get it.
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Yeah I'll take an entire season of success over a single shit showing against an extremely under seeded team every day of the week. Yea it fucking sucks, we were totally contenders but shit happens like this every year in the tournament... we need to have sustained success in the regular season to keep reloading on the recruiting trail and maybe one year we'll catch lightning in a bottle and win it all, but to say the season is a failure and the coach sucks after one two hour game today is a pretty crap take.
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That’s not realism like Tempo spouts on here....🙄
Like him and ThePAMan acted like they won the lottery today when we fucking lost. I don’t get it.
If that’s the way you see it, guess I can’t change it. I’m pretty dejected. I was pretty confident in a title game run.
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If that’s the way you see it, guess I can’t change it. I’m pretty dejected. I was pretty confident in a title game run.
Well over half the board would disagree with that. And Custard’s take is absolutely correct and “realism.” Not the shit you’re spouting.
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I’m here to give Underwood credit and say I was mostly wrong (sort of) about whether he would turn around the program. He’s far exceeded his first contract expectations. I do think he’s been incredibly lucky. I’m not sure he’s a Final Four favorite if not for Covid.
There were some unforeseen things that worked out to his advantage. Ayo staying 3 years, Kofi essentially emerging as the best true big our program has ever had (anyone who said they saw that coming was just being an optimistic homer). Curbelo is something else. Did Antigua deliver bother Kofi and Curbelo? If so, give him the co-MVC
Regardless of how we got here, Underwood has far exceeded my expectations to this point and for that he deserves my (mostly) mea culpa. This team has grown before our very eyes and has been a joy to watch. Not sure anyone can beat Gonzaga, but I sure hope they get a chance.
I’m also pleased there’s been no embarrassing PR lately. And having said all of the above, I’d still rather have Shaka Smart. Even if it has taken him a while to find real success at Texas.
If that’s not a Tempo style Pat on the back to Underwood, what is?!
Good job Coach U.
Let’s be honest here based on the results of today’s game concerning Underwood. I’ll make this short simple and sweet. We came out and got our butts kicked in the first half. We then went to the locker room at halftime, took a nap, then came out in the second half and got our butts kicked again. Now tell me again why Underwood is getting 3.5 million a year for because it certainly isn’t for coaching and THAT was proven today. Bottom line is the past few weeks we were playing with fools gold and the run of a lifetime. What you saw today was the team before Ayo’s injury at absolutely rock bottom. End rant
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Let’s be honest here based on the results of today’s game concerning Underwood. I’ll make this short simple and sweet. We came out and got our butts kicked in the first half. We then went to the locker room at halftime, took a nap, then came out in the second half and got our butts kicked again. Now tell me again why Underwood is getting 3.5 million a year for because it certainly isn’t for coaching and THAT was proven today. Bottom line is the past few weeks we were playing with fools gold and the run of a lifetime. What you saw today was the team before Ayo’s injury at absolutely rock bottom. End rant
Lol another Tempo parody. I’ve yet to see one that was very good to my recollection. You’re off to a decidedly mediocre start.
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Actually, I’m really unaware of what I’ve said that’s so objectionable outside of I’d rather have Shaka. I have nothing but praise for Underwood based one the last couple of years; today’s manhandling notwithstanding. I think achieving a 1 seed in 4 years is pretty remarkable.
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About the only qualifier I’ve added is that I think he benefited from Covid, which he almost certainly did.
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Let’s be honest here based on the results of today’s game concerning Underwood. I’ll make this short simple and sweet. We came out and got our butts kicked in the first half. We then went to the locker room at halftime, took a nap, then came out in the second half and got our butts kicked again. Now tell me again why Underwood is getting 3.5 million a year for because it certainly isn’t for coaching and THAT was proven today. Bottom line is the past few weeks we were playing with fools gold and the run of a lifetime. What you saw today was the team before Ayo’s injury at absolutely rock bottom. End rant
Not a good parody at all. Back to the drawing board.
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I’m here to give Underwood credit and say I was mostly wrong (sort of) about whether he would turn around the program. He’s far exceeded his first contract expectations. I do think he’s been incredibly lucky. I’m not sure he’s a Final Four favorite if not for Covid.
There were some unforeseen things that worked out to his advantage. Ayo staying 3 years, Kofi essentially emerging as the best true big our program has ever had (anyone who said they saw that coming was just being an optimistic homer). Curbelo is something else. Did Antigua deliver bother Kofi and Curbelo? If so, give him the co-MVC
Regardless of how we got here, Underwood has far exceeded my expectations to this point and for that he deserves my (mostly) mea culpa. This team has grown before our very eyes and has been a joy to watch. Not sure anyone can beat Gonzaga, but I sure hope they get a chance.
I’m also pleased there’s been no embarrassing PR lately. And having said all of the above, I’d still rather have Shaka Smart. Even if it has taken him a while to find real success at Texas.
If that’s not a Tempo style Pat on the back to Underwood, what is?!
Good job Coach U.
Here’s my snippet of the entire season. First part of the season this team was unwatchable period and I don’t care what anyone says because it’s pretty much indisputable. Preseason #6, Last second buzzer beater win against a mid major, at one point were 9-5 and ranked #21. The Maryland game was the turning point for me as we just stopped playing the last 3 minutes, quit and gave the game away and that was the last televised game I watched until the Ayo injury. Even during the “winning streak” before Ayos injury we were still playing down to opponents levels and barely winning games that our superior teams of the past would’ve won by 20+. Ayo gets hurt and magically we start playing out of our minds while looking really good and I start watching again because it finally started looking like a team. Ayo comes back and we kept winning, but the Ohio State game in the BTT was the precursor for me as OSU basically gave that game away while we hung on. Now there’s a few of us who have the balls to point it out while others won’t, but we played better without Ayo period and I know people won’t like that, but that’s the reality. This game today is mostly on Underwood, but Ayo played his part as well and I sensed this result would come sooner or later. It just came way sooner than later.
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Like him and ThePAMan acted like they won the lottery today when we fucking lost. I don’t get it.
After calling out the Chicago Cynics I suppose I was due for some “I told you so” but it still doesn’t take a Mensa to bet against Illinois athletics. I was telling people to soak it all up as it unfolded over the last few weeks because it could be over just like *that* and here we are.
While today really fucking sucked I’m glad I enjoyed those moments rather than worrying about what might go wrong and still being pissed today anyways.
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After calling out the Chicago Cynics I suppose I was due for some “I told you so” but it still doesn’t take a Mensa to bet against Illinois athletics. I was telling people to soak it all up as it unfolded over the last few weeks because it could be over just like *that* and here we are.
While today really fucking sucked I’m glad I enjoyed those moments rather than worrying about what might go wrong and still being pissed today anyways.
I’m with ya. The last 4 weeks have been the best we’ve seen since at least ‘06.
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While today no doubt sucked, Underwood has made Illini basketball relevant again. I want us to go back to being in the tourney every year. You have to get in to have a chance to win it all. We do seem to be on an upward trajectory for that. I still believe in Underwood until he gives me reason not to anymore, and that’s not today at all. It was simply not our day, and Loyola had a ton to do with that.
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If only Mosier had taken the St Johns job
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After calling out the Chicago Cynics I suppose I was due for some “I told you so” but it still doesn’t take a Mensa to bet against Illinois athletics. I was telling people to soak it all up as it unfolded over the last few weeks because it could be over just like *that* and here we are.
While today really fucking sucked I’m glad I enjoyed those moments rather than worrying about what might go wrong and still being pissed today anyways.
Agreed.
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I see a lot of guys giving Hulka a free pass for the game today.
Yeah, we had great run the last month. I give the staff and team credit for that.
Coaches earn their reps in tourney, however.
We just shit the bed in legendary fashion.
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If we played well, and lost. So be it.
We didnt. That's the disappointing part.
Loyola came to play and played well. We better learn from this.
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I see a lot of guys giving Hulka a free pass for the game today.
Yeah, we had great run the last month. I give the staff and team credit for that.
Coaches earn their reps in tourney, however.
We just shit the bed in legendary fashion.
Underwood is another classic Groce, Weber etc. He just lucked into a halfways decent team this year that coached itself after the first 75% of the season because Underwood couldn’t. Underwood made ZERO adjustments at halftime and I’ll tell you what happened at halftime. They went into that locker room and said, hey, were the #1 seed, so sooner or later Loyola will just fold and it didn’t happen. Underwood is fools gold folks for 3.5 million a year. Underwood is about as smart as the Bears brass for giving Andy Dalton 10 million a year and the starting job.
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If we played well, and lost. So be it.
We didnt. That's the disappointing part.
Loyola came to play and played well. We better learn from this.
Who the fuck is left who is going to learn? We likely lose 4 of our 8 man rotation and 3 leading scorers.
If Kofi stays, we could be decent, but I don't see it.
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I see a lot of guys giving Hulka a free pass for the game today.
Yeah, we had great run the last month. I give the staff and team credit for that.
Coaches earn their reps in tourney, however.
We just shit the bed in legendary fashion.
I have yet to see anybody give Underwood a free pass for today. We’re all disappointed with the outcome today.
On the other hand, what do you want done about it that we shit the bed today? What are you advocating?!
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Who the fuck is left who is going to learn? We likely lose 4 of our 8 man rotation and 3 leading scorers.
If Kofi stays, we could be decent, but I don't see it.
You can't just not show up at this level.
We looked out-quicked for 40 minutes.
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Thinking back on it, this is the type of loss we’d have gotten under Lou Henson. Bless his soul.
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I have yet to see anybody give Underwood a free pass for today. We’re all disappointed with the outcome today.
On the other hand, what do you want done about it that we shit the bed today? What are you advocating?!
Nothing we can do obviously. Hulka has made it clear he doesn't give a fck what fans think. He can get away with that right now.
I think he has had some beginning success here, but has now dug a nice hole for himself.
If we get back to NCAAs again and his huggybear light thing gets our ass handed to him again, then we get rid of him.
If he can add some coaching chops and get us to second weekend he stays.
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Nothing we can do obviously. Hulka has made it clear he doesn't give a fck what fans think. He can get away with that right now.
I think he has had some beginning success here, but has now dug a nice hole for himself.
If we get back to NCAAs again and his huggybear light thing gets our ass handed to him again, then we get rid of him.
If he can add some coaching chops and get us to second weekend he stays.
I really don’t get this way of thinking AT ALL. Very strange way of looking at things I suppose. Should a coach care what you think? Should a player? You don’t think he realizes they fell short today as a team?
Dude today sucked. Period. It was one game. Underwood took us to our first tourney game in 8 years. Would’ve been last year if not for COVID, so two in a row. Some would say the overall season exceeded their expectations. Not the ending we wanted, but damn. I think we’re on the right track.
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Nothing we can do obviously. Hulka has made it clear he doesn't give a fck what fans think. He can get away with that right now.
I think he has had some beginning success here, but has now dug a nice hole for himself.
If we get back to NCAAs again and his huggybear light thing gets our ass handed to him again, then we get rid of him.
If he can add some coaching chops and get us to second weekend he stays.
I’ve often referred to a thing I call “failing at a high level.” Lou Henson did it, Bill Self does it. I’ll take a steady dose of failure if you are consistently very good and have the occasional break through.
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Thinking back on it, this is the type of loss we’d have gotten under Lou Henson. Bless his soul.
A Henson team would have woke up, made a late run, and grabbed the lead. Then lost it on some bizarre last second play.
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A Henson team would have woke up, made a late run, and grabbed the lead. Then lost it on some bizarre last second play.
Excellent point.
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Underwood is another classic Groce, Weber etc.
Hello, Brah. What's up at the Plaza 21 tollbooth these days?
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I really don’t get this way of thinking AT ALL. Very strange way of looking at things I suppose. Should a coach care what you think? Should a player? You don’t think he realizes they fell short today as a team?
Dude today sucked. Period. It was one game. Underwood took us to our first tourney game in 8 years. Would’ve been last year if not for COVID, so two in a row. Some would say the overall season exceeded their expectations. Not the ending we wanted, but damn. I think we’re on the right track.
I think we have very low expectations since we have had so many years of abject failure.
This isn't like we were a 9 seed and got beat by an 8.
We were ranked 2 in the country and a 1 seed. We just had one of worst melt downs in tourney and arguably the worst loss in our history. Complete lack of preparation. Who was the scout on this?
We had 7 days to get ready since last Sunday. We knew what they were going to do.
We could barely hold onto the ball and had
no clue on D or O.
The tourney is what you work toward.
It's a harsh reality that the rest is just participation medals.
This isn't little kids soccer where you give out juice boxes and medals to all.
You get what you accept I guess.
I think support him with expectation that he has to compete better in tourney and he is on short leash now.
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Hello, Brah. What's up at the Plaza 21 tollbooth these days?
I think its Jobu
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I think its Jobu
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That's my guess. Lol.
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LKDog sometimes your posts get me nodding my head then all of a sudden:
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You’ve made it very clear you don’t think highly of Underwood, but he is most definitely not on a short leash.
My kid’s first Illini game was the Winthrop debacle where we got beat by a one legged midget. Years of complete, laughable irrelevance.
A coach has to do a LOT of things really well to even get the chance to have a loss like the Illini had today.
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After calling out the Chicago Cynics I suppose I was due for some “I told you so” but it still doesn’t take a Mensa to bet against Illinois athletics. I was telling people to soak it all up as it unfolded over the last few weeks because it could be over just like *that* and here we are.
While today really fucking sucked I’m glad I enjoyed those moments rather than worrying about what might go wrong and still being pissed today anyways.
The told you so part pertains to whether Underwood is "the guy.." Seemed like many here proclaimed he is (and wanted credit as well as mea culpas from others). I remain uncertain. More red flags went up today though. He has shown flexibility in some regards though, which is good. Hopefully he learns from this.
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I see a lot of guys giving Hulka a free pass for the game today.
Yeah, we had great run the last month. I give the staff and team credit for that.
Coaches earn their reps in tourney, however.
We just shit the bed in legendary fashion.
Yep
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If we played well, and lost. So be it.
We didnt. That's the disappointing part.
Loyola came to play and played well. We better learn from this.
Agreed, Mn.
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Lol, no. I’m way more creative than that dipshit.
I’ve never ran 2 alts at the same time. Not about to start now.
More creative than me?🤣🤣🤣
Yeah right son. I’ve just spit more Illini history in the last few hours than you have in your entire body with an added flavor of quality satire. Like the And1 folks would say. Get that weak - - - - out of here!!!
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Eh, go fuck yourself.
Lmfao. I arrest my case.
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LKDog sometimes your posts get me nodding my head then all of a sudden:
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You’ve made it very clear you don’t think highly of Underwood, but he is most definitely not on a short leash.
My kid’s first Illini game was the Winthrop debacle where we got beat by a one legged midget. Years of complete, laughable irrelevance.
A coach has to do a LOT of things really well to even get the chance to have a loss like the Illini had today.
It's great we got in the position we were in. No question. Then the real season started. The one people remember.
This will be the team that will now be known as the 1 seed that didn't even make it out of first weekend.
My point is we get back into tourney next year or year after as say, a 9 seed. We get beat first game by an 8 and look like ass again doing it.
Still just happy to be there? Hell naw.
Bye eee Coach Hulka.
That would be 1 tourney win in 5 or 6 years and two flame outs.
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The told you so part pertains to whether Underwood is "the guy.." Seemed like many here proclaimed he is (and wanted credit as well as mea culpas from others). I remain uncertain. More red flags went up today though. He has shown flexibility in some regards though, which is good. Hopefully he learns from this.
I don’t think it was wrong for anyone to get behind Underwood as our guy. This season, despite today, was an overwhelming success. When is the last time an Illinois coach both assembled and coached a team that finished at the top of the B1G? To a 1 seed? To winning a BTT?
The tourney is a brutal beast. Any good coach will tell you that the key is to get there every year just to put yourself in a position to get on a run. Self, K, Cal, Roy, Izzo et al have all had teams of this caliber bounced by worse teams than Loyola. (#17 AP)
Look at Tony Bennett for crying out loud. In his last three appearances he had the number one overall seed and bounced by a 16 for the first time in tourney history, then came back and won the title the next year, then got bounced as a 4 seed this year.
I think a lot of the consternation about this is that there’s a feeling Illini won’t ever have this kind of shot again for a very long time because Ayo and Kofi are probably gone. That feeling was valid under Weber when he couldn’t recruit anyone but this time we still have the architects.
Belo and Miller came in ranked very similarly to Kofi and Ayo. They logged huge minutes this year on a damned good team. There’s no reason we can’t plug in pieces around those guys and see similar development to what we saw from Ayo and Kofi.
Ayo had huge usage his freshman year on a bad team. Curbelo’s stats down the stretch this year were similar to Ayo’s freshman campaign...while playing on a great team with two All Americans. I fully believe Adam Miller will evolve into a Davion Mitchell type player by his junior year.
Rounding out this class with high quality players and transfers should continue momentum. I’ll be fairly concerned if it’s a bunch of nobodies.
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Lmfao. I arrest my case.
What the hell did the case do to you?
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I don’t think it was wrong for anyone to get behind Underwood as our guy. This season, despite today, was an overwhelming success. When is the last time an Illinois coach both assembled and coached a team that finished at the top of the B1G? To a 1 seed? To winning a BTT?
The tourney is a brutal beast. Any good coach will tell you that the key is to get there every year just to put yourself in a position to get on a run. Self, K, Cal, Roy, Izzo et al have all had teams of this caliber bounced by worse teams than Loyola. (#17 AP)
Look at Tony Bennett for crying out loud. In his last three appearances he had the number one overall seed and bounced by a 16 for the first time in tourney history, then came back and won the title the next year, then got bounced as a 4 seed this year.
I think a lot of the consternation about this is that there’s a feeling Illini won’t ever have this kind of shot again for a very long time because Ayo and Kofi are probably gone. That feeling was valid under Weber when he couldn’t recruit anyone but this time we still have the architects.
Belo and Belo came in ranked very similarly to Kofi and Ayo. They logged huge minutes this year on a damned good team. There’s no reason we can’t plug in pieces around those guys and see similar development to what we saw from Ayo and Kofi.
Ayo had huge usage his freshman year on a bad team. Curbelo’s stats down the stretch this year were similar to Ayo’s freshman campaign...while playing on a great team with two All Americans. I fully believe Adam Miller will evolve into a Davion Mitchell type player by his junior year.
Rounding out this class with high quality players and transfers should continue momentum. I’ll be fairly concerned if it’s a bunch of nobodies.
Jesus Christ. So Everytime we have a tourney game of this nature we’re going to bring up UMBC.
We just got housed from start to finish from a barely top 25 team. I can tell you what happened. Moser outcoached and outclassed our 3.5 million a year hot mess.
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Have a blooming onion and a Hacker Pschorr and relax
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Have a blooming onion and a Hacker Pschorr and relax
Lmfao. Rough crowd tonight. I’ll bet a $100 if Ayo was still hurt and not playing, we’d still be playing next weekend.
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Yep
Where does the Hulka nickname come from?
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Have a blooming onion and a Hacker Pschorr and relax
Hey man, he’s not me, so play nice.
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Lmfao. I arrest my case.
Ok, now this is by far your best post.
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It's great we got in the position we were in. No question. Then the real season started. The one people remember.
This will be the team that will now be known as the 1 seed that didn't even make it out of first weekend.
My point is we get back into tourney next year or year after as say, a 9 seed. We get beat first game by an 8 and look like ass again doing it.
Still just happy to be there? Hell naw.
Bye eee Coach Hulka.
That would be 1 tourney win in 5 or 6 years and two flame outs.
I think you’re being a tad overly dramatic, but I get your point. This is a loss that will go down in Illini infamy. Front and center in the team picture of worst Tourney losses, even if Loyola was very underseeded. We missed a rare opportunity this year. The path was very much there and we blew it the first weekend.
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Ok, now this is by far your best post.
I was unaware that I was looking for your recognition. When I want some Pabst dog pile to drink I’ll let you know.
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I was unaware that I was looking for your recognition. When I want some Pabst dog pile to drink I’ll let you know.
C’mon, kid. You can do better.
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It's great we got in the position we were in. No question. Then the real season started. The one people remember.
This will be the team that will now be known as the 1 seed that didn't even make it out of first weekend.
My point is we get back into tourney next year or year after as say, a 9 seed. We get beat first game by an 8 and look like ass again doing it.
Still just happy to be there? Hell naw.
Bye eee Coach Hulka.
That would be 1 tourney win in 5 or 6 years and two flame outs.
Unless you are one of the lucky and talented 4 to make it to the final four, honestly nobody really remembers. I remember feams that have won the conference or conference championship way more than the big dance. Couldnt tell you what teams made the elite 8 or sweet 16 or whatever, but I could probably rattle off the special teams that did it for the whole year and won the conference. Then again different strokes, but Im one of the few that doesnt put a whole lot of weight on single elimination tourney results
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Unless you are one of the lucky and talented 4 to make it to the final four, honestly nobody really remembers. I remember feams that have won the conference or conference championship way more than the big dance. Couldnt tell you what teams made the elite 8 or sweet 16 or whatever, but I could probably rattle off the special teams that did it for the whole year and won the conference. Then again different strokes, but Im one of the few that doesnt put a whole lot of weight on single elimination tourney results
And this right here folks is why we went from almost blueblood status to mediocre status. And we get it, everyone has losing seasons. Kentucky does it. Dook does it. Even North Carolina was an 8 seed this year.
Problem is folks. We’ve been having what’s felt like losing seasons for 15 years. That’s why this game is a nut punch. We didn’t just get beat. We didn’t even bother to show up. We checked out of the hotel when Loyola took the floor.
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Isn’t it amazing. No matter where Lon Krueger goes he always gets the most out of what’s given to him.
I’d rather have him right now. He can take anything to the NCAA tourney. I remember the year we finished last in the conference but made the big 10 champ game. He then proceeded to go to the NCAAs the other years.
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You know what that was like watching that today?
It was like watching a Bruce Weber special only less efficient if that’s even possible.
That’s how bad it was today.
You can tell the world what you want, but that’s the reality. Theres losing and then there’s what we did today. If I’m a high end recruit am I considering Illinois right now? I’ve looked at the class and don’t see much orange and blue in the top 50 for the #2 team in the country and I know what’s coming and we all do come next year. More of that special custard only a different man wearing the suit.
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Isn’t it amazing. No matter where Lon Krueger goes he always gets the most out of what’s given to him.
I’d rather have him right now. He can take anything to the NCAA tourney. I remember the year we finished last in the conference but made the big 10 champ game. He then proceeded to go to the NCAAs the other years.
Don’t disagree with you there. Lon just keeps getting it done.
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Unless you are one of the lucky and talented 4 to make it to the final four, honestly nobody really remembers. I remember feams that have won the conference or conference championship way more than the big dance. Couldnt tell you what teams made the elite 8 or sweet 16 or whatever, but I could probably rattle off the special teams that did it for the whole year and won the conference. Then again different strokes, but Im one of the few that doesnt put a whole lot of weight on single elimination tourney results
I really would have been fine with a S16 and competing well and losing. Final Fours do take luck and surviving an off night.
Today was an epic dump for the program and missed opportunity. We competed poorly from tipoff, staff were totally unprepared, and we were dominated in every facet of the game by a lesser team.
This was only our 4th #1 seed in 40 years and by far worst tourney performance as a top seed, and arguably the worst NCAA loss in our history.
Conference titles are nice and part of the journey of a good season, but I guess I have a different view of gauging a season success.
I would rather make tourney appearances and an occasional run most every year rather than collect any regular season awards and certainly think making the tourney and winning a game should be the norm for this program- not the exception.
I don't know about you, but watching the tourney every year since 2005 and not seeing Illinois on second weekend is pathetic.
We have not made a S16 since 2005. We have only won 4 total NCAA games since 2005 in 16 years.We are no longer relevant at all and this was our chance to start to become so again.
Now we are looking at a possible rebuild and another tourney miss once again unless Kofi stays.
As far as someone like Ayo's legacy here- he now falls well short of players like Dee, Deron, Frankie, Cook, Douglass, Winters, Gill, Anderson, Battle, etc. Players who made EE or better and also were part of regular season individual and team accolades.
Moving on. Season is over and we will not be this good again for forseeable future it appears.
Back to bubble watching again probably next year. Maybe Underwood survives here or even thrives - maybe not.
The late recruiting for 2021 scramble, and then 2022 will decide his future.
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Why we lost today besides the fact we didn’t play any defense.
Ayo and Frazier. 5 of 20 from the field.
Kofi,Miller and Curbelo 15 of 23 from the field.
Pretty simple. Someone shot too much and the others didn’t shoot enough.
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Why we lost today besides the fact we didn’t play any defense.
Ayo and Frazier. 5 of 20 from the field.
Kofi,Miller and Curbelo 15 of 23 from the field.
Pretty simple. Someone shot too much and the others didn’t shoot enough.
Actually Ayo needed his usual 16-17 shots/drives today. He only had 10 and a couple were prayers late, Lack of offensive adjustments to get him looks or drawing fouls was total fail on staff part. Our spacing was horrendous. We had three guys within 10 feet of each other on most possessions. Made it easy to double the ball when Ayo got it.
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Actually Ayo needed his usual 16-17 shots/drives today. He only had 10 and a couple were prayers late, Lack of offensive adjustments to get him looks or drawing fouls was total fail on staff part. Our spacing was horrendous. We had three guys within 10 feet of each other on most possessions. Made it easy to double the ball when Ayo got it.
Hey, I get it. We both kind of live in the same mold. As in love the Kruger/Self era and would rather go back to it.
I just don’t see the love affair with Ayo though. I view him as a team killer like Weber. He flat killed the chemistry of this team.
Maryland game was the last game I watched until the Michigan game. We were up the entire time even though we were playing like dog crap and this was before anyone decided Maryland was going to make the tourney. They were just tall and unathletic. We quit the last 3 minutes and gave it away while Ayo was busy doing his And 1 streetball stuff trying to boost his stats. I literally almost threw the tv out the window after that one. I said preseason #6 my - - -...
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He was a very good, sometimes great college player. Today was not a good day. Will leave it at that.
The team did some great things, had chemistry down the stretch this year, but fell way short in tourney.
I am sure they are crushed.
I put responsibility on staff more than anything.
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He was a very good, sometimes great college player. Today was not a good day. Will leave it at that.
The team did some great things, had chemistry down the stretch this year, but fell way short in tourney.
I am sure they are crushed.
I put responsibility on staff more than anything.
You won’t get any argument from me concerning Underwood. He was outcoached and outclassed for making 3.5 mil a year. That Michigan game will always be a what if moment for me. They can spit shine it all they want, but they played better without him.
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I've seen plenty of Illini football complete team horseshit play. I didnt expect to see it yesterday. I have no idea what the post game pr was, but probably either Underwood saying it was on him or we came ready to play but Loyola played great and deserved the win. Blah, blah, blah.
Loyola shot 60% in the 2nd half, and 51% for the game.
Add in our 37 turnovers, or whatever it was, and getting beat on the boards won't win many games.
Underwood's first 2 years were tons of turnovers, but we fought. We needed to learn how to win.
Defensive strategy was entirely changed and we started winning games. Defense and effort was Illinois basketball.
Turnovers are still a problem.
We played a few games lately where we cut down turnovers quite a bit, but not yesterday. Yesterday was not Illinois basketball. Gotta plug some holes and continue to build the program.
How does it go ? You're only as good as your last game.
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He didn't say it was on him in the Illini Report video I saw. In fact, nothing I saw in that video made me feel confident for the future where Illinois is up against a coach who can actually put a game plan together to neutralize talent advantages we msy have.
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There's always the coachspeak of 'I don't know, we had a good week of practice and I expected us to play well. For some odd reason, we didnt bring it to the game'.
Or ...
'We knew what to expect and prepared for it but for some odd reason we didnt play like it'.
Or .....
'We had them ready to play, but the other team took us out of our game early and we never recovered'.
Or .....
'We fucking got our asses handed to us and didn't punch back.
I thought maybe the earlier home losses vs Rutgers and Maryland taught us to not bend over. This one is 'I can't explain it. Watching the other team school us from the opening tip til the end is not us'.
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Loyola does a good job of making a lot of teams look terrible on offense
they are literally the #1 defense in the nation, and their offense was clicking yesterday since it appears as though we didn't practice or make any defensive adjustments throughout the game
There's a fine line between looking like total dogshit and looking good when it comes to college hoops and we were way over the dogshit line, and clearly they picked an absolutely terrible time to do that... whatever, life goes on, at least we lost to a pretty good team /shrug
after 15 years of complete shit the last 2 seasons have been quite refreshing, and I really hope that things continue... if Kofi returns, I think him and Miller and Belo and the rest will be enough talent to get a top 4 seed again.
Anyway, thats just some monday morning musing with terrible grammar. Time for some more coffee.
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Actually Ayo needed his usual 16-17 shots/drives today. He only had 10 and a couple were prayers late, Lack of offensive adjustments to get him looks or drawing fouls was total fail on staff part. Our spacing was horrendous. We had three guys within 10 feet of each other on most possessions. Made it easy to double the ball when Ayo got it.
I agree with virtually everything you’ve said, with one exception. I don’t think we’re a bubble team next year even if Kofi leaves. We should still be a 5-7 seed. But we’d have a Final Four contender again if he stays. Our backcourt will have more experience and be among the best in the country. Giorgi is a capable big man if Kofi leaves. We could be sort of a poor man’s version of 2005.
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Underwood simply needs to get better as a coach. And of course Antigua and Coleman need to keep doing what they are doing. We don't need to know the details.
I give him credit for trying to instill toughness and cohesion in any college team full of egos and prima donnas from AAU these days.
People forget his OSU team was 155th in country in defense there, and he lost four straight games at end of year.
His teams played fast and let teams score fast. It worked sometimes.
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I agree with virtually everything you’ve said, with one exception. I don’t think we’re a bubble team next year even if Kofi leaves. We should still be a 5-7 seed. But we’d have a Final Four contender again if he stays. Our backcourt will have more experience and be among the best in the country. Giorgi is a capable big man if Kofi leaves. We could be sort of a poor man’s version of 2005.
If Kofi leaves we will struggle. Might sneak into tourney somehow.
If we add a high level recruit wing or lead guard this spring we might be OK.
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If Kofi leaves, we need a big. I have no idea what happened to Hawkins, but if Giorgi gets in foul trouble then we might be looking at Grandison playing the post.
We need front line help if Kofi stays too.
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If Kofi leaves, we need a big. I have no idea what happened to Hawkins, but if Giorgi gets in foul trouble then we might be looking at Grandison playing the post.
We need front line help if Kofi stays too.
Well they have Hawkins, and BBV who are more like 4s, and the Lieb kid who needs a hamburger. And Hamlin.
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Loyola does a good job of making a lot of teams look terrible on offense
they are literally the #1 defense in the nation, and their offense was clicking yesterday since it appears as though we didn't practice or make any defensive adjustments throughout the game
There's a fine line between looking like total dogshit and looking good when it comes to college hoops and we were way over the dogshit line, and clearly they picked an absolutely terrible time to do that... whatever, life goes on, at least we lost to a pretty good team /shrug
after 15 years of complete shit the last 2 seasons have been quite refreshing, and I really hope that things continue... if Kofi returns, I think him and Miller and Belo and the rest will be enough talent to get a top 4 seed again.
Anyway, thats just some monday morning musing with terrible grammar. Time for some more coffee.
Loyola’s conditioning is unreal. They never looked tired at all. We looked like we were the team that just came off of a down to the wire contest instead of the team that got to rest it’s starters a bunch in the first round.
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If Kofi leaves we will struggle. Might sneak into tourney somehow.
If we add a high level recruit wing or lead guard this spring we might be OK.
Yeah, I don’t think we’re a final four contender without Kofi. I think we’re a lot better than a bubble team without him though.
I don’t think Kofi is leaving though. He doesn’t have skills the NBA is looking for right now.
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Loyola’s conditioning is unreal. They never looked tired at all. We looked like we were the team that just came off of a down to the wire contest instead of the team that got to rest it’s starters a bunch in the first round.
You mean maybe the starters should have played 3-5 minutes LESS versus Drexel? ;D
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Loyola does a good job of making a lot of teams look terrible on offense
they are literally the #1 defense in the nation, and their offense was clicking yesterday since it appears as though we didn't practice or make any defensive adjustments throughout the game
There's a fine line between looking like total dogshit and looking good when it comes to college hoops and we were way over the dogshit line, and clearly they picked an absolutely terrible time to do that... whatever, life goes on, at least we lost to a pretty good team /shrug
after 15 years of complete shit the last 2 seasons have been quite refreshing, and I really hope that things continue... if Kofi returns, I think him and Miller and Belo and the rest will be enough talent to get a top 4 seed again.
Anyway, thats just some monday morning musing with terrible grammar. Time for some more coffee.
Yet Wisconsin beat them by 14.
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Yet Wisconsin beat them by 14.
4 months ago...
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4 months ago...
Ok. So, Loyola got a lot better over the year and Illinois got a lot worse in the span of a weekl?
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Ok. So, Loyola got a lot better over the year and Illinois got a lot worse in the span of a weekl?
We just had a bad game. Fuck, man. It happens. Again, wtf are you trying to prove?! Like I said earlier, it’s almost like you’re happy we lost and gloating about it. Just stfu already.
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Well they have Hawkins, and BBV who are more like 4s, and the Lieb kid who needs a hamburger. And Hamlin.
They'll have to beat out Grandison in the post. 🤣🤣
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Ok. So, Loyola got a lot better over the year and Illinois got a lot worse in the span of a weekl?
we both got better, a lot better
how else would you explain us beating the shit out of wisconsin both times?
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Nevermind the fact the big 10 in its entirety has now been proven to be weak sauce. Easily the worst conference in the tourney.
In a few minutes We’ll be down to Michigan and Maryland and we’re still not done with the first weekend 🤣🤣🤣.
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Nevermind the fact the big 10 in its entirety has now been proven to be weak sauce. Easily the worst conference in the tourney.
In a few minutes We’ll be down to Michigan and Maryland and we’re still not done with the first weekend 🤣🤣🤣.
Why are u so happy about it??
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Why are u so happy about it??
It proves my point that all those so called great wins weren’t great. It also shows Ayo isn’t all that either.
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we both got better, a lot better
how else would you explain us beating the shit out of wisconsin both times?
Wisconsin sucks.
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Wisconsin sucks.
They really were mediocre. Were 0-8 vs Top five Big Ten teams.
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I'd feel a lot better if Illini fans were less "Cub fan-like" and more pissed off like White Sox fans perpetually are. All this excuse making is all fucking bullshit. "Oh Rutgers lost to the Kenpom 10 team..." Fuck that crap..The goddamn Texas Jesus teams all upset higher rated fucking teams. Fucking Shaka is fucking hearing it and lucky he still has a job. Meanwhile we are reading how great Underachiever is because they went 20nwhatever and 11 in the BIG the last 2 years. Fuck that shit.
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I'd feel a lot better if Illini fans were less "Cub fan-like" and more pissed off like White Sox fans perpetually are. All this excuse making is all fucking bullshit. "Oh Rutgers lost to the Kenpom 10 team..." Fuck that crap..The goddamn Texas Jesus teams all upset higher rated fucking teams.
You are kind of a crazy fuck, but I agree. Many are taking a "we are so blessed and thankful and happy just to be here approach and those other teams are really quite good so it is OK. "
We totally shit the bed in one for the ages. Own it and get better.
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You are kind of a crazy fuck....
I'm going to take that as a compliment.
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I'm going to take that as a compliment.
LOL. You are keeping it real.
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Now tied with John Groce in NCAA tourney wins at Illinois with 1.
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You are kind of a crazy fuck, but I agree. Many are taking a "we are so blessed and thankful and happy just to be here approach and those other teams are really quite good so it is OK. "
We totally shit the bed in one for the ages. Own it and get better.
I don’t see anybody taking that approach on here honestly. I was happy we got here and were a 1 seed, and totally feel the pain in your second paragraph. The team we lost to does appear to be a really good team. That doesn’t excuse it, but is a true statement. We shit the bed. It happens.
Again I think you and some others on here are taking our happiness and excitement throughout the season as somehow a “we fucking love Underwood” “he’s a God” “greatest coach of all-time” kind of mantra. Which frankly just isn’t true. Not one person has said that shit. Trust me, I’m pissed off and of course the staff and team need to be held accountable. Again I’ll ask what’re you wanting done since you keep beating this drum over and over. I’ll say there are a lot of good things to take from this season. Actually I don’t think many people would’ve predicted before the season we’d have done this well. Some of you act like the sky is falling and it’s so dramatic. We’re gonna reload and be back and I believe we’re on the right track. One major difference between Underwood and Weber appears to be recruiting. We’re on the uptick now. You could see with Weber that wasn’t the case imo.
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I don’t see anybody taking that approach on here honestly. I was happy we got here and were a 1 seed, and totally feel the pain in your second paragraph. The team we lost to does appear to be a really good team. That doesn’t excuse it, but is a true statement. We shit the bed. It happens.
Again I think you and some others on here are taking our happiness and excitement throughout the season as somehow a “we fucking love Underwood” “he’s a God” “greatest coach of all-time” kind of mantra. Which frankly just isn’t true. Not one person has said that shit. Trust me, I’m pissed off and of course the staff and team need to be held accountable. Again I’ll ask what’re you wanting done since you keep beating this drum over and over. I’ll say there are a lot of good things to take from this season. Actually I don’t think many people would’ve predicted before the season we’d have done this well. Some of you act like the sky is falling and it’s so dramatic. We’re gonna reload and be back and I believe we’re on the right track. One major difference between Underwood and Weber appears to be recruiting. We’re on the uptick now. You could see with Weber that wasn’t the case imo.
I agree that the recruiting is on upswing. We have guys that appear to know how to play the game finally.
Yes, I am pissed.
We just completely blew a teed up golden opportunity to get to a FF. We would have had a 12 seed and an AAC team or 11 seed to beat.
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I'd feel a lot better if Illini fans were less "Cub fan-like" and more pissed off like White Sox fans perpetually are. All this excuse making is all fucking bullshit. "Oh Rutgers lost to the Kenpom 10 team..." Fuck that crap..The goddamn Texas Jesus teams all upset higher rated fucking teams. Fucking Shaka is fucking hearing it and lucky he still has a job. Meanwhile we are reading how great Underachiever is because they went 20nwhatever and 11 in the BIG the last 2 years. Fuck that shit.
Right.
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I agree that the recruiting is on upswing. We have guys that appear to know how to play the game finally.
Yes, I am pissed.
We just completely blew a teed up golden opportunity to get to a FF. We would have had a 12 seed and an AAC team or 11 seed to beat.
Oh I 100% agree. I’m extremely pissed as well. Seeing all the upsets in our region, it would’ve been a cakewalk to get to the Final Four. Our hardest game if we got by Loyola would’ve been MAYBE Houston. Cade Cunningham knocked out and West Virginia. It was basically handed to us on a silver platter and we shit the bed.
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I'd feel a lot better if Illini fans were less "Cub fan-like" and more pissed off like White Sox fans perpetually are. All this excuse making is all fucking bullshit. "Oh Rutgers lost to the Kenpom 10 team..." Fuck that crap..The goddamn Texas Jesus teams all upset higher rated fucking teams. Fucking Shaka is fucking hearing it and lucky he still has a job. Meanwhile we are reading how great Underachiever is because they went 20nwhatever and 11 in the BIG the last 2 years. Fuck that shit.
I second this right here.
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I don’t see anybody taking that approach on here honestly. I was happy we got here and were a 1 seed, and totally feel the pain in your second paragraph. The team we lost to does appear to be a really good team. That doesn’t excuse it, but is a true statement. We shit the bed. It happens.
Again I think you and some others on here are taking our happiness and excitement throughout the season as somehow a “we fucking love Underwood” “he’s a God” “greatest coach of all-time” kind of mantra. Which frankly just isn’t true. Not one person has said that shit. Trust me, I’m pissed off and of course the staff and team need to be held accountable. Again I’ll ask what’re you wanting done since you keep beating this drum over and over. I’ll say there are a lot of good things to take from this season. Actually I don’t think many people would’ve predicted before the season we’d have done this well. Some of you act like the sky is falling and it’s so dramatic. We’re gonna reload and be back and I believe we’re on the right track. One major difference between Underwood and Weber appears to be recruiting. We’re on the uptick now. You could see with Weber that wasn’t the case imo.
Nobody is taking exception to it. Had we LOST to Loyola in a decent game there would’ve been less complaining.
We flat got housed by Loyola and got outplayed and outcoached for 40 minutes. That game was over the minute it tipped off and that’s why everyone is ticked off.
Underwood is incapable of coaching at a high level. Not much of a recruiter apparently either.
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With all that being said, however, your hero Tempo (you know, the dude who you constantly suck off and whose cum is in your mouth right now)....
Not a fan of lobster, actually. More of a clam or oyster fan, if you know what I mean.
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—I haven’t seen anyone excuse Underwood for yesterday’s performance.
—Wisconsin is an historically old college basketball team. That was a huge benefit early this season with the reduced prep time due to Covid protocols. But they ended up being relatively worse than last season despite returning everyone because a bunch of other teams that weren’t ancient improved throughout the season.
—Transitive results (especially across many months) is iffy evidence at best. ‘Member how many Illini fans were convinced without a doubt that Illinois was better than UNC because UNC lost to Santa Clara in late 2004?
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—I haven’t seen anyone excuse Underwood for yesterday’s performance.
—Wisconsin is an historically old college basketball team. That was a huge benefit early this season with the reduced prep time due to Covid protocols. But they ended up being relatively worse than last season despite returning everyone because a bunch of other teams that weren’t ancient improved throughout the season.
—Transitive results (especially across many months) is iffy evidence at best. ‘Member how many Illini fans were convinced without a doubt that Illinois was better than UNC because UNC lost to Santa Clara in late 2004?
Good post.
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Loyola’s conditioning is unreal. They never looked tired at all. We looked like we were the team that just came off of a down to the wire contest instead of the team that got to rest it’s starters a bunch in the first round.
It’s not a “valid” excuse, as both teams had to deal with it; but the 11:10 start time set off alarm bells in my head from the get-go. Just felt yucky.
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Underwood took a beating today on The Score. I’d say mostly deserved.
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It’s not a “valid” excuse, as both teams had to deal with it; but the 11:10 start time set off alarm bells in my head from the get-go. Just felt yucky.
Me too. My thinking is early starts might favor underdogs and slower paced, more structured teams.
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Underwood took a beating today on The Score. I’d say mostly deserved.
One of worst game coaching performances I have seen at this level. He is stubborn as fuck. Hopefully he will learn. He appears to have Antigua and the boys getting him more talent than he has ever coached in his life. He needs to up his game.
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Underwood took a beating today on The Score. I’d say mostly deserved.
That sort of thing likely got under the skin of Weber and Groce. Lou did not care one iota. I doubt Uberwood does either. Fickle media and fans come with this territory.
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Underwood took a beating today on The Score. I’d say mostly deserved.
Do you know how to link things on the internet?
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Me too. My thinking is early starts might favor underdogs and slower paced, more structured teams.
I’ve never had an analytical answer for it, but I have always loathed early starts for Illini basketball games. It would be interesting to see how Illinois has fared as a favorite in games starting before 1 pm central going back 25 years or so.
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The PAMan has been pissed all day as multiple issues have crossed my path. Wife fucked up the school COVID reporting. Work being a pain in the ass. Fucking youth hockey bullshit. Have not kicked the dog at least. Yet.
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One more symptom of mental retardation. Listening to the fucking Score.
He's not going to come up with all the meathead takes on his own lol
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He's not going to come up with all the meathead takes on his own lol
Ok, I laughed out loud.
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One more symptom of mental retardation. Listening to the fucking Score.
What specifically do you not like about them?
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He's not going to come up with all the meathead takes on his own lol
Such as?
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Do you know how to link things on the internet?
You want a link to the score? Do you know how to use Google? I mean, if you NEED me to I can post a link to The Score.
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Nm
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Such as?
Every once in a while something makes me wish this site was being monetized.
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That sort of thing likely got under the skin of Weber and Groce. Lou did not care one iota. I doubt Uberwood does either. Fickle media and fans come with this territory.
Not really the point. The point is Underwood got severely outcoached in the biggest Illini game in 16 years.
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Yes, and that's obvious. If you need Bernstein to reinforce that for you, awesome.
I actually haven’t listened to much Bernstein lately. And it’s not “the hosts” that were harshest on Underwood. It was the guests (writers and analysts). So you don’t like Bernstein and Parkins “because they are jags?” You mean, they ridicule meatballs? Bernstein does. And I’d call it God’s work.
You don’t like Layla Rahemi because her voice irritates you, huh? Am I detecting a hint of sexism and/or patriarchy here? Methinks so.
Again, it was the analysts that destroyed Underwood, less so the hosts.
What very very little or Bernstein I heard, he wasn’t critical of Underwood as I recall.
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Oh, and the callers were harshest on Underwood. But maybe like 15% of callers have good takes.
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I loved Boers and Bernstein back in the day. Yeah they trolled the fuck out of Illini fans but that was part of the appeal. Together they were more than the sum of their parts. Since Boers’ departure I feel like Bernstein hasn’t ever had a good counterpart that kind of kept him in check.
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I loved Boers and Bernstein back in the day. Yeah they trolled the fuck out of Illini fans but that was part of the appeal. Together they were more than the sum of their parts. Since Boers’ departure I feel like Bernstein hasn’t ever had a good counterpart that kind of kept him in check.
I loved Terry, and by all accounts he’s an awesome guy; but I think he was definitely hanging on the last couple years. It was clear he wasn’t as tuned in and had reverted to making more weird noises and penis jokes to fill time. Instead of being a plus/perk of the show, making fun of callers became the theme of the show.
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I loved Terry, and by all accounts he’s an awesome guy; but I think he was definitely hanging on the last couple years. It was clear he wasn’t as tuned in and had reverted to making more weird noises and penis jokes to fill time. Instead of being a plus/perk of the show, making fun of callers became the theme of the show.
I didn’t listen a lot after he had the health problems and kinda tuned out. Seems every time I’ve turned it on lately he’s been on some social justice or COVID tangent. I am bombarded with that stuff daily, I tune the dial to 670 because I want to hear sports talk.
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I loved Boers and Bernstein back in the day. Yeah they trolled the fuck out of Illini fans but that was part of the appeal. Together they were more than the sum of their parts. Since Boers’ departure I feel like Bernstein hasn’t ever had a good counterpart that kind of kept him in check.
Bernstein is a pompous Dukie douchebag
he should stick to talking about the NBA when it comes to hoops
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Bernstein is a pompous Dukie douchebag
he should stick to talking about the NBA when it comes to hoops
And he mostly does. I think he only talks about college athletics because he kind of has to.
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And he mostly does. I think he only talks about college athletics because he kind of has to.
yeah "story of the day" sort of thing... then again we're clearly a big deal again if he's talking about us again... for now at least
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WTF are you guys doing to the Underachiever thread?
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WTF are you guys doing to the Underachiever thread?
Don't piss him off.
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As far as sexism, nope. I just don't like the sound of her voice. If I don't like something I don't listen to it. Seems pretty simple.
Tempo is oblivious to a lot of life's details, but also defaults to scathing moral judgments. It's not an unusual combo, just trying.
Women who don't have low-pitched speaking voices don't make it past 30 in broadcasting. People don't react positively to higher pitches. Steve Bardo has a harsh voice, and a lot of people don't like it. But he's not on the air for his voice. Contrast Dave Revsine or Jim Nantz. Warm baritones.
I'd never heard this lady, so I watched a clip. She has a low-pitched voice, which is why she made it past 35.
Her voice is also riddled with Chicagoisms. I guess it works there, but I can see how it'd be irritating, too.
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Tempo is oblivious to a lot of life's details, but also defaults to scathing moral judgments. It's not an unusual combo, just trying.
Women who don't have low-pitched speaking voices don't make it past 30 in broadcasting. People don't react positively to higher pitches. Steve Bardo has a harsh voice, and a lot of people don't like it. But he's not on the air for his voice. Contrast Dave Revsine or Jim Nantz. Warm baritones.
I'd never heard this lady, so I watched a clip. She has a low-pitched voice, which is why she made it past 35.
Her voice is also riddled with Chicagoisms. I guess it works there, but I can see how it'd be irritating, too.
Lol nothing more delicious than when Rob pontificates.
Funny that her voice is riddled with “Chicagoisms” as she’s from North Texas.
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And also sexist Rob. “A female can only make it past 30 if she has a low-pitched voice.” What an insufferable douche you are.
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The safest...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/sports/nfl-beth-mowins-julie-dicaro.amp.html
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Yes. Exactly.
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It's a weird ideological stance. Kinda like the concept of fat shaming.
So far, Madison Avenue hasn't fallen into that trap. So we don't have sweaty obese women in our Nissan Rogue and Gorilla Glass'd iPhone commercials. Our bi-racial couples are all fit.
Tempo might want everyone to eat carob n' walnut bars, but people are going to buy Snickers instead. Every fucking time.
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You guys should start a separate thread to bash Tempo.
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And also sexist Rob. “A female can only make it past 30 if she has a low-pitched voice.” What an insufferable douche you are.
facts about the broadcasting world are not sexist
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You guys should start a separate thread to bash Tempo.
We're waiting until 2:30 a.m., when we're drunk.
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Yeah, Tempo is a victim.
It’s weird how ThePAMan defends Tempo the “victim” but has a problem with me acting like one because I’m attacked constantly by him. Ironic I suppose. He not only defends him, but licks his vagina too. Or sucks his dick. Fuck, idk.
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You guys should start a separate thread to bash Tempo.
You should start one to defend him....
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OK, since I am not in the Chicago media market I had to look up this Leila Rahimi chick and listen to her.
1) She is not hot by any measure. Maybe a 6.
2) Her voice is OK. Actually surprisingly unpolished for someone in the business. Sounds like your typical middle class suburban Chicago mom.
3) Maybe that is her attraction- semi cute plain Jane kid sister; or semi Milf who talks sports.
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Hey cheer up everybody, we could have Clownzo as our coach. Sounds like Mizzou fans aren’t too excited.
https://twitter.com/dave_matter/status/1374471824927432704?s=21
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She looks like a librarian.
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That’s fine. A prissy librarian by day, then at night...
See where I’m going here?
OK, OK. I think I see it.
ON YOUR KNEES JOBU!!
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her head is like an orange on a toothpick
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Ever fuck an orange?
Open mindedness, my friend. Fuck that fucking orange.
no but i did see a terrible video about a grapefruit once
oh god here it is... lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLTgWdXrx3U
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Fuck, idk.
Correct.
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Correct.
You are correct I don’t know if Tempo has a pussy or a dick🤷🏻♂️
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Tempo doesn’t think it matters that he butchers female names in broadcasting. Because he’s sexist. It’s just a woman, right?
See, I can pull that shit too.
Now you have to defend bullshit totally out of thin air for no good reason.
I spelled her name wrong. Wow, you really got me
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facts about the broadcasting world are not sexist
Agreed. But when you seem to embrace it as the natural order of things like he did, it means you’re probably sexist.
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It’s weird how ThePAMan defends Tempo the “victim” but has a problem with me acting like one because I’m attacked constantly by him. Ironic I suppose. He not only defends him, but licks his vagina too. Or sucks his dick. Fuck, idk.
You’re “attacked constantly” (by me)? That literally made me LOL. Thank you.
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OK, since I am not in the Chicago media market I had to look up this Leila Rahimi chick and listen to her.
1) She is not hot by any measure. Maybe a 6.
2) Her voice is OK. Actually surprisingly unpolished for someone in the business. Sounds like your typical middle class suburban Chicago mom.
3) Maybe that is her attraction- semi cute plain Jane kid sister; or semi Milf who talks sports.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmrxTL7CUAAO_Tn.jpg)
Look at LKDog. Trying to be objective, but just giving an exemplary example of the sexist lens we men view things out of. P.S. I’m not saying I’m immune.
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You are correct I don’t know if Tempo has a pussy or a dick🤷🏻♂️
Are you still in 6th grade?
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Look at LKDog. Trying to be objective, but just giving an exemplary example of the sexist lens we men view things out of. P.S. I’m not saying I’m immune.
Geez. You need to lighten the fuck up. You have become one humorless motherfcker sometimes. I know Covid has been rough. Get outside and take a walk.
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Some guys said she was hot. I said I didn't think she was that hot, but could see it in a Suzy Kolber girl next door sort of way.
Jobu really likes her, but not her voice. They also made fun of Avery Johnson's voice who my wife thinks sounds like a midget.
She also thinks Andy Katz is looking pretty rough these days. I will tell her to not talk like that about male sports analysts as it is might
hurt your feelings.
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Are you still in 6th grade?
Only mentally.
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Anyway, I think it’s pretty funny that Jobu tried to burn me on the “if you can’t spell her name properly, you must be sexist” card. First off, she has a first and last name that could each have a half-dozenish variations. Secondly, I’ve known who she is for like 6 months.
When I go on to Twitter, I sometimes forget that Laurence Holmes spells his name with a U and not a W. I’ve known who he is since probably 2001. Does that make me sexist or racist against Laurence Holmes?
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Maybe you guys should also start a Leila Rahimi thread or two at 230am when drunk.
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I was just trying to point out how ridiculous you were being by saying that I'm sexist because I don't like the sound of her voice. You missed the point.
And, as far as my finding her attractive. I'm a heterosexual male. Occasionally, I find members of the opposite sex attractive. I don't see anything wrong with that. I never said that I think she is or is not effective at her job because she is female. I didn't even insinuate that. If you picked that up, that's your problem, not mine. Learn how to comprehend what you read.
Or think what you want. I don't give a fuck, really.
I “missed your point” because your point sucked. Not knowing how to spell someone’s name isn’t “sexist.”
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Maybe you guys should also start a Leila Rahimi thread or two at 230am when drunk.
But would you bang her? What do you give her on a scale of 1-10? I’d bang her as long as I didn’t have to listen to her voice.
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But would you bang her? What do you give her on a scale of 1-10? I’d bang her as long as I didn’t have to listen to her voice.
Sure, why not?
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Sure, why not?
I give her a 7. 7.5 if I don’t have to listen to her voice.
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You’re “attacked constantly” (by me)? That literally made me LOL. Thank you.
No ThePAMan. He called me a whiner and that I always play the victim lol. But yet he’s in love with you. Weird. Not that I want him to like me because idgaf. Just found it very ironic.
Looks like he’s taken the hint lately and stfu.
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Only mentally.
Yeah because I’m the one on here constantly being a perverted 5 year old.... every other post of yours is something sexual. Like you’re some pubescent kid.
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Yeah because I’m the one on here constantly being a perverted 5 year old.... every other post of yours is something sexual. Like you’re some pubescent kid.
It’s even his in his username.
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Yeah, well your point sucked too.
If it makes you feel better, you might not be actively sexist, just passively. In other words, you might not be sexist on purpose.
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It’s even his in his username.
Hey at least we can both agree that he’s a douchebag. *high five*
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Hey at least we can both agree that he’s a douchebag. *high five*
😂
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I thought I clicked on the Brad Underwood thread not the woke sports thread
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For those of you carrying your burdens of decrying sexism and aspects of unwokeism, fall 3 times and know that God will be looking over you as you deliver Hope and salvation to the morans among us.
Best
(https://i.ibb.co/rQT4TyH/Screenshot-20210324-102452.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QJzrzmM)
Oh, and Happy Birthday, Custard.
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For those of you carrying your burdens of decrying sexism and aspects of unwokeism, fall 3 times and know that God will be looking over you as you deliver Hope and salvation to the morans among us.
Best
(https://i.ibb.co/rQT4TyH/Screenshot-20210324-102452.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QJzrzmM)
Oh, and Happy Birthday, Custard.
😂
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Anyway, I think it’s pretty funny that Jobu tried to burn me on the “if you can’t spell her name properly, you must be sexist” card. First off, she has a first and last name that could each have a half-dozenish variations. Secondly, I’ve known who she is for like 6 months.
When I go on to Twitter, I sometimes forget that Laurence Holmes spells his name with a U and not a W. I’ve known who he is since probably 2001. Does that make me sexist or racist against Laurence Holmes?
This whole rationalization is awesome.
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For those of you carrying your burdens of decrying sexism and aspects of unwokeism, fall 3 times and know that God will be looking over you as you deliver Hope and salvation to the morans among us.
Best
(https://i.ibb.co/rQT4TyH/Screenshot-20210324-102452.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QJzrzmM)
Oh, and Happy Birthday, Custard.
This is great. Thanks man
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For those of you carrying your burdens of decrying sexism and aspects of unwokeism, fall 3 times and know that God will be looking over you as you deliver Hope and salvation to the morans among us.
Best
(https://i.ibb.co/rQT4TyH/Screenshot-20210324-102452.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QJzrzmM)
Oh, and Happy Birthday, Custard.
We are certainly missing the critical spiritual guidance provide by the previous Administration's official Spiritual Advisor Paula White.
This was so comforting in our turbulent times to know she was advising the POTUS.
We are now adrift at sea without question.
https://m.timesofindia.com/videos/international/us-election-results-trumps-spiritual-advisors-battle-with-demonic-confederacies/videoshow/79057586.cms (https://m.timesofindia.com/videos/international/us-election-results-trumps-spiritual-advisors-battle-with-demonic-confederacies/videoshow/79057586.cms)
I do want to know if Jobu likes her voice???
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This whole rationalization is awesome.
So you agree, misspelling someone’s name equals sexism?
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It's not okay to disrespect someone in the way I think is bad; but it's fine to disrespect someone in the way that I think is no big deal.
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It's not okay to disrespect someone in the way I think is bad; but it's fine to disrespect someone in the way that I think is no big deal.
Lol
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It's not okay to disrespect someone in the way I think is bad; but it's fine to disrespect someone in the way that I think is no big deal.
You’re the dumbest smart person I’ve ever come across.
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Like, if I had written her a letter asking her to participate in my fund-raiser and misspelled it, you might have a case. Still wouldn’t = sexism. But yeah, spelling someone’s name wrong on a message forum isn’t that big of a deal.
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Can you also start a Happy Birthday to Custard thread?
Happy Birthday, Custard. Hope you get some tonight. (Which is a whole other thread.)
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yeah, spelling someone’s name wrong on a message forum isn’t that big of a deal.
It's just propagating ignorance and spreading misinformation. Who cares, right?
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Happy Birthday, Custard. Hope you get some tonight. (Which is a whole other thread.)
Thanks man, tonight I embark on a remake of the HQ2 Anal Roberts Cinderella Story. True to the story, it will start out as Oral.
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It's just propagating ignorance and spreading misinformation. Who cares, right?
Shut up, douche.
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So, this thread is still Tempo’d up? We’re still talking about sexism and misspelled names?
Jesus. Well, carry on then.
I think the only thing that slowed it down was 97 lol-ing at Spark’s dead aunt.
That was Tempo’s butterfly.
Only because in Rob’s warped world misspelling a name is = to sexism. For a “smart guy” he has zero fucking sense.
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Misspelling = “misinformation” lmao what a clown
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remember when you couldn't say dildo on HQ1? or else you'd get an instant ban?
Man fuck that asshole tjackson
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Thanks man, tonight I embark on a remake of the HQ2 Anal Roberts Cinderella Story. True to the story, it will start out as Oral.
Handy Roberts doesn’t have quite the same ring.
Happy birthday!
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Yeah I member. Fuck that mother fucker.
In all my time, I only got one vacation. Might have been for calling someone a douchebag.
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Thanks man, tonight I embark on a remake of the HQ2 Anal Roberts Cinderella Story. True to the story, it will start out as Oral.
So today’s your birthday? May you get your cock sucked, or whatever it is you like done to it.
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If I'm reading him correctly, he enjoys being pegged with a shoe. Or maybe it's a pumpkin.
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I think y’all need a room. Just sayin.
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I would suggest a pop rock blow job.
Very sticky, but fun.
Happy Birthday, Custard.
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Thanks fellas it was upset city tonight!
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Thanks fellas it was upset city tonight!
So was that a good or bad thing?????
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Thanks fellas it was upset city tonight!
You got backdoored by a bunch of Catholics too, huh.
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You got backdoored by a bunch of Catholics too, huh.
That reminds me of an old joke.
A lawyer and a priest and a young boy were in an upper level floor office in a building.
The building caught on fire and the Fire Dept crew arrived with the Safety net to jump into below.
The Lawyer yelled "we have to get the fck out of here, we have to jump into the net, let's go!"
The priest yelled as smoke was billowing into the office "what about the Boy??"
The Lawyer screamed "Fuck the boy!"
The priest answered' "Do we have time??"
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Trump is merely the latest charlatan to invoke the name of a sky god in a successful attempt to woo a simple-minded people.
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Trump is merely the latest charlatan to invoke the name of a sky god in a successful attempt to woo a simple-minded people.
Have you read What's the Matter with Kansas?
It's like getting roaches to vote for more RAID.
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Not sure if this a Brad Underwood talk , but Shaka leaving for Marquette is interesting.
Will Texas call?
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If they do I guess we’ll test Brad’s “dream job” verbiage
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If they do I guess we’ll test Brad’s “dream job” verbiage
I thought we were his dream gig??
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Not sure if this a Brad Underwood talk , but Shaka leaving for Marquette is interesting.
Will Texas call?
What are you doing adding actual Underachiever talk to the Underachiever thread?
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Shaka will be within easy driving distance for Tempo.
He's gotta be rock hard right now, thinking about Shaka's fucking vice grip thighs.
Shaka's new hairdo is simply fucked up. Looks like Grouch Marx.
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Not sure if this a Brad Underwood talk , but Shaka leaving for Marquette is interesting.
Will Texas call?
Tempo disappointed Illinois and Texas couldn’t work out a trade.
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Shaka's new hairdo is simply fucked up. Looks like Grouch Marx.
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Glad you mentioned it because if any of the rest of us said it you’d say it was racist
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I thought we were his dream gig??
Have you counted the number of guys who have "it?"
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You got backdoored by a bunch of Catholics too, huh.
8)
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Glad you mentioned it because if any of the rest of us said it you’d say it was racist
Nah, but we did find this picture of you riding around in a golf cart down in Florida. Sadly, it was from last week. You are kind of like those Japanese soldiers in WW2 on remote islands in Pacific they found 20 years later still fighting. Carry on.
(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/thevillagesdailysun.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/5/87/58710380-e0dc-11e9-b145-0799c30322da/5d8d8bcbc6693.image.jpg)
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Nah, but we did find this picture of you riding around in a golf cart down in Florida. Sadly, it was from last week. You are kind of like those Japanese soldiers in WW2 on remote islands in Pacific they found 20 years later still fighting. Carry on.
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LMAO!
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Nah, but we did find this picture of you riding around in a golf cart down in Florida. Sadly, it was from last week. You are kind of like those Japanese soldiers in WW2 on remote islands in Pacific they found 20 years later still fighting. Carry on.
(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/thevillagesdailysun.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/5/87/58710380-e0dc-11e9-b145-0799c30322da/5d8d8bcbc6693.image.jpg)
You mean leftist! Making Gelato cry!
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Nah, but we did find this picture of you riding around in a golf cart down in Florida. Sadly, it was from last week. You are kind of like those Japanese soldiers in WW2 on remote islands in Pacific they found 20 years later still fighting. Carry on.
(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/thevillagesdailysun.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/5/87/58710380-e0dc-11e9-b145-0799c30322da/5d8d8bcbc6693.image.jpg)
He’s probably a really nice guy
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He’s probably a really nice guy
Probably means well.
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He’s probably a really nice guy
That reminds me, I often hear that Harley riders are really great people.
Wouldn't it be awesome if they could be great people without polluting the world with noise and unfiltered exhaust?
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That reminds me, I often hear that Harley riders are really great people.
Wouldn't it be awesome if they could be great people without polluting the world with noise and unfiltered exhaust?
Interesting analogy.
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That reminds me, I often hear that Harley riders are really great people.
Wouldn't it be awesome if they could be great people without polluting the world with noise and unfiltered exhaust?
when I lived in Chicago almost all the harley riders were black people... why do you hate black people expressing themselves?
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6 minutes in. The Beavers still stuck on .....
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ChicagoFan somewhere laughing his ass off
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He can laugh all he wants...IL still had a hell of a season with some tremendous personal achievements to boot.
Plenty of good teams have lost already in this tourney and looked bad doing it. I bet this bubble environment has to be hard on staff and teams and not all of them are going to handle it the best.
Baylor looks like shit against Nova playing without their best player. There have been so many upsets that the matchups aren’t even that interesting.
And yes Underwood coached a very bad game against a good team that was a very bad matchup for us. I hope he learns from it.
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when I lived in Chicago almost all the harley riders were black people... why do you hate black people expressing themselves?
So the question now is whether Old 97 left Illinois to get away from Harleys or black people.
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I should probably be more pissed at Underwood but I just don’t care as much as I used to.
....that was a really really bad day at the office that very likely may have cost them a Final Four. I do think they were overrated a bit but the FF path was right there
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I should probably be more pissed at Underwood but I just don’t care as much as I used to.
....that was a really really bad day at the office that very likely may have cost them a Final Four
Yep. I don't understand why more people aren't really pissed off and concerned for the future.
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Yep. I don't understand why more people aren't really pissed off and concerned for the future.
The future looks fine...but that may have been a once every 20 year opportunity. I know everyone has been deep throating Loyola but I bet on those fuckers all the time and the team you saw yesterday was pretty common in my viewings
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The future looks fine...but that may have been a once every 20 year opportunity. I know everyone has been deep throating Loyola but I bet on those fuckers all the time and the team you saw yesterday was pretty common in my viewings
They are solid team without question. Difficult to play as they execute well and do not beat themselves, and keep the score compressed to keep games winnable.
Again, IMO, a Wisconsin light.
Would have been in the 10-10 range in BT this year which turned out to be a pretty over rated league as a lot of us suspected.
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Yep. I don't understand why more people aren't really pissed off and concerned for the future.
I think the future depends on recruiting, roster construction and Hulka learning how to adjust as needed.
You really do not see these emotional leader type coaches winning consistently. Hulka is more Martin in terms of results, and less Huggybear and the style gets outcoached a lot.
If he wants to do this approach he needs more pure athletes and tougher physical kids.
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So the question now is whether Old 97 left Illinois to get away from Harleys or black people.
mostly it was the taxes, the quality of services you get is just fucking awful for the amount of money you pay, not a good value proposition
I lived in cabrini green FFS, black people don't bother me much to be honest
teenagers though...
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https://247sports.com/Article/Mark-Smith-transfer-portal-Missouri-guard-basketball-SEC-March-Madness-NCAA-Tournament-163195873/
Mark Smith is in the portal. Lol.
He still wants to play PG? lol maybe he should work on his shot and turnover rate first
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I should probably be more pissed at Underwood but I just don’t care as much as I used to.
....that was a really really bad day at the office that very likely may have cost them a Final Four. I do think they were overrated a bit but the FF path was right there
Yeah the top of that bracket was the talk of college basketball leading up to the tourney and it just completely fell apart.
Underwood may never have a team with 2 AAs that has such an epic late season run again, but he really seems to be emphasizing length and athleticism in this recruiting cycle. I’m hopeful that future teams will be more versatile and modern which should help.
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Not sure if this a Brad Underwood talk , but Shaka leaving for Marquette is interesting.
Will Texas call?
Hahahaha. No
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If Texas hired Underwood, that would be on the level of inspiration it took RG to hire Weber.
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That’s a pretty bad take imo
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It's Tempo.
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If Texas hired Underwood, that would be on the level of inspiration it took RG to hire Weber.
Let's see. Weber took over a top 15 team. Final AP ranks the previous 7 seasons had been 19, 22, NR, 21, 4, 13, and 11. His final AP ranks were 13, 1, 13, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR.
Underwood took over a team that had not been ranked in a final AP poll for 13 seasons. His third team was ranked 21st. His fourth teams was ranked 2nd at the end of the regular season.
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That’s a pretty bad take imo
Kewl.
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Let's see. Weber took over a top 15 team. Final AP ranks the previous 7 seasons had been 19, 22, NR, 21, 4, 13, and 11. His final AP ranks were 13, 1, 13, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR, NR.
Underwood took over a team that had not been ranked in a final AP poll for 13 seasons. His third team was ranked 21st. His fourth teams was ranked 2nd at the end of the regular season.
Underwood has 1 win in the NCAAs at a high major. He’s not a 40 year old highly coveted up and comer. A guy like Underwood probably makes the initial long-list of candidates Texas would consider. Almost no chance he would make their top 3-4.
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Chris Beard or Pitino would be far better hires.
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And that’s not a slam on Underwood (IMO), he’s done a fine job. But Underwood is a guy whose name probably gets brought up in the discussion, and gets quickly discarded. There’s a long list of candidates more likely to end up there. Calipari probably gets hired at Texas before Underwood does. Texas defers to no one.
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Not that I like the guy or would like the hire, but I would bet that Sampson gets hired at Texas before Underwood.
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I can hear the discussion now inside the Texas Athletic Dept. “What about that 60 year old up and comer with a unproven recruiting record and his 1 NCAA win up at Illinois..?”
C’mon guys, this is TEXAS.
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Add Nate Oats to the list of coaches more likely to be hired by Texas than Underwood.
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Add Nate Oats to the list of coaches more likely to be hired by Texas than Underwood.
How about Bruce Pearl?
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I can hear the discussion now inside the Texas Athletic Dept. “What about that 60 year old up and comer with a unproven recruiting record and his 1 NCAA win up at Illinois..?”
C’mon guys, this is TEXAS.
Why do only major program tourney wins count? The ones he won at SFA are more impressive that a drubbing of Drexel.
He’s taken three programs to the tourney in 6 years, won tourney games with 2 different schools. His year at OSU they lost in the first round 91-90 to a red hot Michigan team (a trendy dark horse FF contender) in one of the most entertaining games of the whole tourney.
Most likely a top 5-6 seed last year and that opportunity to add more NCAA wins was erased due to Covid.
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How about Bruce Pearl?
He’d be in that Underwood, Altman, Sampson category. A name that gets brought up and everyone in the room simultaneously says “Nahhh!”
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Why do only major program tourney wins count? The ones he won at SFA are more impressive that a drubbing of Drexel.
He’s taken three programs to the tourney in 6 years, won tourney games with 2 different schools. His year at OSU they lost in the first round 91-90 to a red hot Michigan team (a trendy dark horse FF contender) in one of the most entertaining games of the whole tourney.
Most likely a top 5-6 seed last year and that opportunity to add more NCAA wins was erased due to Covid.
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The fact that you think Texas would eagerly pursue Underwood is cute. Don’t ever change.
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The list of candidates Texas is holding almost certainly consists of names like Beard, Pitino, Drew, etc. Texas can afford to buy out any program that would be willing to let their coach leave.
That means guys like Calipari, Wright, and Sean Miller aren’t totally off the table. Underwood isn’t on the level of any of the aforementioned coaches. At all.
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Why do only major program tourney wins count? The ones he won at SFA are more impressive that a drubbing of Drexel.
He’s taken three programs to the tourney in 6 years, won tourney games with 2 different schools. His year at OSU they lost in the first round 91-90 to a red hot Michigan team (a trendy dark horse FF contender) in one of the most entertaining games of the whole tourney.
Most likely a top 5-6 seed last year and that opportunity to add more NCAA wins was erased due to Covid.
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Texas maybe would have ZERO interest because they saw how unprepared Illinois was at the start against the Great Porter Moser's Loyola squad and then he did jack squat at halftime to put his squad in a position to succeed against a team that got beat by a PAC 12 team that only got in the tournament by winning its conference tournament?
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Texas maybe would have ZERO interest because they saw how unprepared Illinois was at the start against the Great Porter Moser's Loyola squad and then do jack squat at halftime to put his squad in a position to succeed against a team that got beat by a PAC 12 team that only got in the tournament by winning its conference tournament?
They wouldn’t have serious interest because it’s extremely difficult to envision a program that can lure almost anyone they want putting a near 60 year old with a small-track record at the top of their list.
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They wouldn’t have serious interest because it’s extremely difficult to envision a program that can lure almost anyone they want putting a near 60 year old with a small-track record at the top of their list.
Unlike Guenther Lite?
I better add that that was a joke.
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JFC tempo says they should get Nate Oats and he just got ousted by an 11 seed that by ranking and all metrics was worse than the 8 seed we lost to. When I bring that up he completely avoids it and builds some straw man.
K, Self, Roy, Cal, Bennett plus dozens of other great coaches have had much worse “bad losses” in the tourney than losing to a tourney experienced AP #17 KenPom #10 team that just happens to be a terrible matchup.
What has Pitino done lately besides get run out of his job for cheating and end up at Iona? Cal just had one of the worst seasons in UK history. Roy got handled in the tourney by a mediocre Wisconsin team. Sean Miller hasn’t won a tourney game in 4 years, is under investigation, was banned from tourney this year, and finished 17-15.
Drew and Beard are the only things you said that make any sense whatsoever in a rational universe
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The list of candidates Texas is holding almost certainly consists of names like Beard, Pitino, Drew, etc. Texas can afford to buy out any program that would be willing to let their coach leave.
That means guys like Calipari, Wright, and Sean Miller aren’t totally off the table. Underwood isn’t on the level of any of the aforementioned coaches. At all.
You think far too highly of the Texas program, they are a football school first and foremost
They're more likely to say "what can we do to get Rick Barnes back" lol, than bother with any of those other guys that have about a zero % chance of leaving their jobs
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JFC tempo says they should get Nate Oats and he just got ousted by an 11 seed that by ranking and all metrics was worse than the 8 seed we lost to. When I bring that up he completely avoids it and builds some straw man.
K, Self, Roy, Cal, Bennett plus dozens of other great coaches have had much worse “bad losses” in the tourney than losing to a tourney experienced AP #17 KenPom #10 team that just happens to be a terrible matchup.
What has Pitino done lately besides get run out of his job for cheating and end up at Iona? Cal just had one of the worst seasons in UK history. Roy got handled in the tourney by a mediocre Wisconsin team. Sean Miller hasn’t won a tourney game in 4 years, is under investigation, was banned from tourney this year, and finished 17-15.
Drew and Beard are the only things you said that make any sense whatsoever in a rational universe
You act like you've never seen Tempo's posts until today.
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I guess we should throw Andy Enfield’s name on the pile...
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JFC tempo says they should get Nate Oats and he just got ousted by an 11 seed that by ranking and all metrics was worse than the 8 seed we lost to. When I bring that up he completely avoids it and builds some straw man.
K, Self, Roy, Cal, Bennett plus dozens of other great coaches have had much worse “bad losses” in the tourney than losing to a tourney experienced AP #17 KenPom #10 team that just happens to be a terrible matchup.
What has Pitino done lately besides get run out of his job for cheating and end up at Iona? Cal just had one of the worst seasons in UK history. Roy got handled in the tourney by a mediocre Wisconsin team. Sean Miller hasn’t won a tourney game in 4 years, is under investigation, was banned from tourney this year, and finished 17-15.
Drew and Beard are the only things you said that make any sense whatsoever in a rational universe
You don’t read well. I said Oats would be a more likely hire than Underwood. I never once said they “should hire him.”
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I guess we should throw Andy Enfield’s name on the pile...
You're a genius.
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And again, you are fucking delusional if you think Brad Underwood is at or near the top of Texas’ list. That’s not a slam on Underwood.
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You're a genius.
And you’re a dirtbag. But that’s already been established.
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JFC tempo says they should get Nate Oats and he just got ousted by an 11 seed that by ranking and all metrics was worse than the 8 seed we lost to. When I bring that up he completely avoids it and builds some straw man.
K, Self, Roy, Cal, Bennett plus dozens of other great coaches have had much worse “bad losses” in the tourney than losing to a tourney experienced AP #17 KenPom #10 team that just happens to be a terrible matchup.
What has Pitino done lately besides get run out of his job for cheating and end up at Iona? Cal just had one of the worst seasons in UK history. Roy got handled in the tourney by a mediocre Wisconsin team. Sean Miller hasn’t won a tourney game in 4 years, is under investigation, was banned from tourney this year, and finished 17-15.
Drew and Beard are the only things you said that make any sense whatsoever in a rational universe
Yes, they underachieved. But who here is “shocked” when they see UCLA or MSU make a mostly unexpected run. Someone unfamiliar with college basketball, I would imagine.
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And you’re a dirtbag. But that’s already been established.
Tempo versus Rob. Add Judge Judy, who probably hates both of them, and we have a great Mexican Standoff.
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You don’t read well. I said Oats would be a more likely hire than Underwood. I never once said they “should hire him.”
I read very well. You said he was more likely. I’ve challenged you multiple times now to show why he is or should be more likely and you’ve done nothing by white knight for UCLA.
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JFC tempo says they should get Nate Oats and he just got ousted by an 11 seed that by ranking and all metrics was worse than the 8 seed we lost to. When I bring that up he completely avoids it and builds some straw man.
K, Self, Roy, Cal, Bennett plus dozens of other great coaches have had much worse “bad losses” in the tourney than losing to a tourney experienced AP #17 KenPom #10 team that just happens to be a terrible matchup.
What has Pitino done lately besides get run out of his job for cheating and end up at Iona? Cal just had one of the worst seasons in UK history. Roy got handled in the tourney by a mediocre Wisconsin team. Sean Miller hasn’t won a tourney game in 4 years, is under investigation, was banned from tourney this year, and finished 17-15.
Drew and Beard are the only things you said that make any sense whatsoever in a rational universe
Lol Texas wouldn’t want Cal because “he just had one of the worst seasons in UK history.”’ Tell you what, Custard...why don’t you sober up and we’ll continue this chat tomorrow.
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Yes, they underachieved. But who here is “shocked” when they see UCLA or MSU make a mostly unexpected run. Someone unfamiliar with college basketball, I would imagine.
I was listening to ALionEye and some other dude today chatting on some podcast on ALyonEye's website and they discussed how Illinois has never made an "unexpected run" in the tourney.
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Unlike Guenther Lite?
I better add that that was a joke.
I always knew Custard had some homeristic tendencies, but I can’t believe I just saw him make the case for Underwood over John Calipari. Mitchell Trubisky was once about on par statistically with Patrick Mahomes. Remember that?
Oh, and Underwood is clearly a better choice than Pitino, too. Lol
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I was listening to ALionEye and some other dude today chatting on some podcast on ALyonEye's website and they discussed how Illinois has never made an "unexpected run" in the tourney.
Yep. I’ve thought about that a few times, and it always makes me feel a little depressed.
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Sorry Fart. Normally I'd quip about pots and kettles in your defense; but now that my dirtbaggery has been established, I'm afraid I don't have a leg to stand on.
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I read very well. You said he was more likely. I’ve challenged you multiple times now to show why he is or should be more likely and you’ve done nothing by white knight for UCLA.
At the risk of appearing to White Knight for Tempo, I can't pass up noting that UCLA obviously played this year in a better conference than the B1G.....LOL
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Sorry Fart. Normally I'd quip about pots and kettles in your defense; but now that my dirtbaggery has been established, I'm afraid I don't have a leg to stand on.
Seems like you can add lnaugural HQ Dirtbag Poster of the Year Award Winner to your sig....
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Seems like you can add lnaugural HQ Dirtbag Poster of the Year Award Winner to your sig....
The award should be his in perpetuity
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Mitchell Trubisky was once about on par statistically with Patrick Mahomes. Remember that?
You can play that card like Murph plays that stock pick card on 97.
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To answer your question about “what has Pitino done lately?” Took Iona to the tourney in his first year and played a 2 seed tougher than we played an 8 seed. So there’s that.
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You can play that card like Murph plays that stock pick card on 97.
I have no idea what you’re talking about.
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Sorry Fart. Normally I'd quip about pots and kettles in your defense; but now that my dirtbaggery has been established, I'm afraid I don't have a leg to stand on.
Oh please, go on. We’ll all the richer for it when you “contribute.”
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And yes, re: Sean Miller. Which is why he might be a great candidate to bolt AZ. Who in their right mind takes Underwood over Sean Miller?
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Almost every AD in the P5?
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I have no idea what you’re talking about.
I'm sure if you hang around awhile this time, you will find out.
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Almost every AD in the P5?
See, we’re all much better off when you “contribute.” The unintended comedy improves by leaps and bounds.
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Almost every AD in the P5?
Well, that is only because the NCAA has already caught up with AZ. Bohannon says it is only a matter of time until the B1G Regular Season Champions banner Guenther Lite is having made up come down.
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I'm sure if you hang around awhile this time, you will find out.
Ehhh, once the tourney is over I’ll probably be a ghost again.
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So let’s say the Kentucky job becomes open tomorrow. Who do you guys think UK would hire first? Miller, or Underwood?
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See, we’re all much better off when you “contribute.” The unintended comedy improves by leaps and bounds.
Not sure you are going to be able to declare victory on this one, Tempo.
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So let’s say the Kentucky job becomes open tomorrow. Who do you guys think UK would hire first? Miller, or Underwood?
Neither.
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Not sure you are going to be able to declare victory on this one, Tempo.
How so. You don’t think most programs would overlook Miller’s “problems?” Have you ever heard of Rick Pitino, John Calipari, and Bill Self?
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Or Bruce Pearl or a Kelvin Sampson? These guys keep getting jobs and generally KEEP WINNING.
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I'm glad Tempo is no longer an angry, raving drunkard.
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Not sure any of them would have been hired at this point in the NCAA investigation process.
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I'm glad Tempo is no longer an angry, raving drunkard.
But you’ll always be a douche errrr dirtbag; so we’ll always have that.
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Underwood wins one game in the tourney and Illini fans have him above Cal, Pitino, and Sean Miller. Don’t ever change, you yokels.
And apparently Beard, Drew, and the like as well.
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Neither.
It’s an either or question.
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Lol Texas wouldn’t want Cal because “he just had one of the worst seasons in UK history.”’ Tell you what, Custard...why don’t you sober up and we’ll continue this chat tomorrow.
WTF planet do you live on? I’m not advocating for Underwood I’m trying to understand your advocacy for a bunch of coaches who’ve had terrible tourney losses of their own, coaches who are on multi year rough stretches, coaches who are trending negatively, coaches who are under NCAA and FBI investigation and have been banned from the tourney.
Somehow you managed to dismiss the idea of Underwood being worthy of the Texas job while at the same time proposing a list of “name” candidates that had a much worse year than Illinois did.
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Yes, right now Miller has that scarlet letter on his chest; but anyone who’s spent as much time in the top 10
I’m the last decade as much as Miller is going to get a long look from top programs if he’s available. Look at the careers of Cal, Pitino, and the long list of characters. They get re-hired.
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Underwood wins one game in the tourney and Illini fans have him above Cal, Pitino, and Sean Miller.
Has this been established, too?
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Has this been established, too?
Custard strongly indicated he thought that way. And by the way you’re arguing, it seems you’re in his orbit.
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Hard to argue with that, I guess.
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WTF planet do you live on? I’m not advocating for Underwood I’m trying to understand your advocacy for a bunch of coaches who’ve had terrible tourney losses of their own, coaches who are on multi year rough stretches, coaches who are trending negatively, coaches who are under NCAA and FBI investigation and have been banned from the tourney.
Somehow you managed to dismiss the idea of Underwood being worthy of the Texas job while at the same time proposing a list of “name” candidates that had a much worse year than Illinois did.
I never said he wasn’t “worthy” of it. You’re extrapolating. I’m saying he’s like probably number 14 on their wishlist. Which isn’t a terrible place to be. It
just means he’s not a serious candidate, nor should he be.
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I think Underwood could very well be pretty respectable at Texas, but I guessing they’re aiming higher than that.
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Rick Barnes was pretty darn respectable there. It eventually got him a ticket to Knoxville.
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Underwood has 1 win in the NCAAs at a high major. He’s not a 40 year old highly coveted up and comer. A guy like Underwood probably makes the initial long-list of candidates Texas would consider. Almost no chance he would make their top 3-4.
You compared his hire to Bruce Weber replacing Bill Self.
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You compared his hire to Bruce Weber replacing Bill Self.
“Inspirationally.” Meaning, If they chose him over other much more exciting/promising candidates.
I mean, honestly. You could
make the case Weber was somewhat successful here. I, for the most part wouldn’t buy it, but one could make that case.
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This sucks. We all got Tempo wound up and ready to throw a wobbler, and now everybody's going to bed.
I hope to follow along the path of destruction in the morning.
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I can hear the discussion now inside the Texas Athletic Dept. “What about that 60 year old up and comer with a unproven recruiting record and his 1 NCAA win up at Illinois..?”
C’mon guys, this is TEXAS.
IU hired a guy who was not a McD AA because he graduated before it started.
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I mean, honestly. You could
make the case Weber was somewhat successful here.
Well, not honestly. Satirically.
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Well, not honestly. Satirically.
Point taken.
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There was talk about John Beilein, but I guess IU chose to go with youth. Beilein turned 68 in February. Woodson turned 63 in March. Underwood won't be 58 until December.
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Before I head off to bed (then waking up in 4 hours); my point wasn’t that Underwood sucks. It’s that it would be the shock of the year if the richest athletic department in America brought in a 57 year old coach with a very short record of high major success. That would be a hard sell to the fanbase. It’s about as likely as the sun setting in the East.
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Guys like Beard and Drew (and who knows who else) are probably within their grasp, and they’re gonna instead go for a nearly 60 year old guy who’s biggest accomplishment is winning a conference tournament? Just not gonna happen, guys. But keep being you, don’t ever change.
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This thread is a prime example of why I exist as a poster. It’s to combat the dumb.
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And I don’t mean you guys are dumb per se; by “the dumb,” I mean the dumb that exists within you. Usually emboldened by homerism.
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Custard strongly indicated he thought that way. And by the way you’re arguing, it seems you’re in his orbit.
The fuck I did.
This started by you laughing at Underwood as a potential candidate at Texas.
You then mentioned Nate Oats as a Texas candidate. The only thing on his resume that’s better than Underwood’s is his age.
Brad Underwood has demonstrably elevated every program he’s coached. His team finished the season at #2 in AP poll, had 2 AA’s, won B1G by half a game, won BTT, beat 3 top 25 teams on the road to finish the regular season, and secured the third 1 seed in the tourney.
Yet in this “what have you done for me lately” world, you provided a list of coaches who are disgraced, did jack shit this year, are showing declining year over year results, or some combination of all three.
Yeah, Miller had a lot of success when he was cheating to get great players. And by golly that’s exactly what happened with Rick Pitino. They’re under the microscope. The weapons they used to built their success have been removed from their arsenal. Somehow Cal has avoided that but he finished like 8 games below .500 this year.
But somehow your internal UT decision maker dialogue thinks those guys are front runners and Underwood is somewhere in the top 16.
If I was a Texas fan there’s no way I’d want some retread that’s under investigation, has a show-cause, and hasn’t been competitive in a major conference in the last year or two.
Would take an Oats/Musselman/Underwood type 100% of the time.
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And one last thing before I (try to) go to sleep. You guys will NEVER be as dumb as the Chicago Bears message board posters. Or probably even the Golf Channel for that matter. So keep your heads up. You guys are champs in my eyes.
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The fuck I did.
This started by you laughing at Underwood as a potential candidate at Texas.
You then mentioned Nate Oats as a Texas candidate. The only thing on his resume that’s better than Underwood’s is his age.
Brad Underwood has demonstrably elevated every program he’s coached. His team finished the season at #2 in AP poll, had 2 AA’s, won B1G by half a game, won BTT, beat 3 top 25 teams on the road to finish the regular season, and secured the third 1 seed in the tourney.
Yet in this “what have you done for me lately” world, you provided a list of coaches who are disgraced, did jack shit this year, are showing declining year over year results, or some combination of all three.
Yeah, Miller had a lot of success when he was cheating to get great players. And by golly that’s exactly what happened with Rick Pitino. They’re under the microscope. The weapons they used to built their success have been removed from their arsenal. Somehow Cal has avoided that but he finished like 8 games below .500 this year.
But somehow your internal UT decision maker dialogue thinks those guys are front runners and Underwood is somewhere in the top 16.
If I was a Texas fan there’s no way I’d want some retread that’s under investigation, has a show-cause, and hasn’t been competitive in a major conference in the last year or two.
Would take an Oats/Musselman/Underwood type 100% of the time.
Once again, you don’t read very well. Or apparently even understand what you write. I’ll tackle this one tomorrow. Don’t let me forget.
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Ugh, can’t fall asleep. If I was a Texas fan and they hired Pitino, I’d be jizzing on myself. I’d feel dirty for sure, but also happy at the same time (ya feelin’ me?). Having said that, I would think he’d be 2nd tier on Texas’ list. Beard/Drew probably 1st tier. Underwood would be 3rd tier.
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I’d be happy if Texas hired Underwood.
He’ll never live down the “choke” of the century here anyways...
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This is my best work since the Khalil Mack trade.
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The fuck I did.
Fart, you can't argue this point. It's been established.
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Fart, you can't argue this point. It's been established.
Yes, what he wrote has been well established. Here’s what he wrote. There’s a lot to chew on, here:
JFC tempo says they should get Nate Oats and he just got ousted by an 11 seed that by ranking and all metrics was worse than the 8 seed we lost to. When I bring that up he completely avoids it and builds some straw man.
K, Self, Roy, Cal, Bennett plus dozens of other great coaches have had much worse “bad losses” in the tourney than losing to a tourney experienced AP #17 KenPom #10 team that just happens to be a terrible matchup.
What has Pitino done lately besides get run out of his job for cheating and end up at Iona? Cal just had one of the worst seasons in UK history. Roy got handled in the tourney by a mediocre Wisconsin team. Sean Miller hasn’t won a tourney game in 4 years, is under investigation, was banned from tourney this year, and finished 17-15.
Drew and Beard are the only things you said that make any sense whatsoever in a rational universe”
Back to me:
For one, Texas would be foolish to want Calipari over Underwood because Kentucky “had a bad year, one of the worst ever in UK history.”
Clear advantage Underwood...
Pitino what has he done lately? He got in trouble. Coaches never bounce back from that amirite? I mean; who couldn’t take Iona to the tourney and play a 2 seed tough? Gotta give Underwood the advantage over the HOFer at 55.
Sean Miller? He got his peepee spanked and hasn’t “won a tourney game in 4 years.” Nevermind the fact he didn’t have a chance to in 2 of them. Nevermind his 7 S16s (and still younger than Underwood). Since he’s clearly a hot mess, a premier program would surely move on from him, right? Oh wait, they didn’t? Why wouldn’t they call Underwood?
Roy, Bill, K, Cal, and Bennett have ALL had worse tourney losses than Underwood, amirite? I mean, who wants that? I mean Roy got bumped by Wisconsin (Nevermind that Roy isn’t leaving NC). Underwood just “had a terrible matchup.” Take away that terrible matchup and Underwood is clearly preferable to those other HOFers.
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The fuck I did.
This started by you laughing at Underwood as a potential candidate at Texas.
You then mentioned Nate Oats as a Texas candidate. The only thing on his resume that’s better than Underwood’s is his age.
Brad Underwood has demonstrably elevated every program he’s coached. His team finished the season at #2 in AP poll, had 2 AA’s, won B1G by half a game, won BTT, beat 3 top 25 teams on the road to finish the regular season, and secured the third 1 seed in the tourney.
Yet in this “what have you done for me lately” world, you provided a list of coaches who are disgraced, did jack shit this year, are showing declining year over year results, or some combination of all three.
Yeah, Miller had a lot of success when he was cheating to get great players. And by golly that’s exactly what happened with Rick Pitino. They’re under the microscope. The weapons they used to built their success have been removed from their arsenal. Somehow Cal has avoided that but he finished like 8 games below .500 this year.
But somehow your internal UT decision maker dialogue thinks those guys are front runners and Underwood is somewhere in the top 16.
If I was a Texas fan there’s no way I’d want some retread that’s under investigation, has a show-cause, and hasn’t been competitive in a major conference in the last year or two.
Would take an Oats/Musselman/Underwood type 100% of the time.
I never mentioned Oats “as a candidate” and I certainly didn’t say “they should hire him” as you said I did. I said Texas would hire him before hiring Underwood. Which is probably true.
Cheating coaches never get another chance do they? Except ALL THE TIME!
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Add Nate Oats to the list of coaches more likely to be hired by Texas than Underwood.
Here’s what I said...facts matter
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It’s not demeaning to Underwood to say that there are probably at least 10 coaches that Texas would rather have. Underwood is doing a good job. But he didn’t jump Calipari because Calipari “had a bad year.”
And as far as Pitino, I don’t put him in that top tier that Texas is likely to go to, but he’d be the top of tier 2 IMO. Pitino probably has Texas in a Final Four in 2-3 years if he went there.
No way Texas is handing over the keys to the race car to a near 60 year old with a short track-record. Period.
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Tier 1 for UT probably consists of Beard and Drew. Unless they’re looking to poach someone like Calipari. My guess is it will be Beard.
Have you heard his story?
If Beard decides he’d rather stay at TT, I’ll be shocked if they can’t entice Drew from Baylor.
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I was listening to ALionEye and some other dude today chatting on some podcast on ALyonEye's website and they discussed how Illinois has never made an "unexpected run" in the tourney.
It really is pathetic and embarrassing. I remember when #5 Illinois beat #4 Cincinnati in 2004, it was the first time Illinois had EVER beat a higher seed.
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Tempo versus Rob. Add Judge Judy, who probably hates both of them, and we have a great Mexican Standoff.
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This thread is a prime example of why I exist as a poster. It’s to combat the dumb.
It is a prime example of something....
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And I don’t mean you guys are dumb per se; by “the dumb,” I mean the dumb that exists within you. Usually emboldened by homerism.
"the dumb"?
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Mr. chickengeorge, I don't know if I've ever mentioned this, but I like you.
Just wanted you to know that.
That's cool. This place is much more lively now that you're around.
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It’s not demeaning to Underwood to say that there are probably at least 10 coaches that Texas would rather have. Underwood is doing a good job. But he didn’t jump Calipari because Calipari “had a bad year.”
And as far as Pitino, I don’t put him in that top tier that Texas is likely to go to, but he’d be the top of tier 2 IMO. Pitino probably has Texas in a Final Four in 2-3 years if he went there.
No way Texas is handing over the keys to the race car to a near 60 year old with a short track-record. Period.
Rick (I guess he stopped going by Ricky?) Pitino will be 69 in September.
Calipari turned 62 in February.
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This is my best work since the Khalil Mack trade.
It’s not surprising that you think that was “good work.”
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Since we're talking about Texas for some reason in the Underwood thread... who you guys going to claim will be the next Texas coach?
I'll go with Musselman
And the winner gets to have an AOTC award
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It really is pathetic and embarrassing. I remember when #5 Illinois beat #4 Cincinnati in 2004, it was the first time Illinois had EVER beat a higher seed.
Yep, that was our one “tourney run.” Lol
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It’s not surprising that you think that was “good work.”
So you’d take Underwood over Cal too if you were Texas? Don’t just be a weenie who throws tomatoes from the balcony.
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Statistics overview
Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
Nevada Wolf Pack (Mountain West Conference) (2015–2019)
2015–16 Nevada 24–14 10–8 T–4th CBI Champions
2016–17 Nevada 28–7 14–4 1st NCAA Division I Round of 64
2017–18 Nevada 29–8 15–3 1st NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2018–19 Nevada 29–5 15–3 1st NCAA Division I Round of 64
Nevada: 110–34 (.764) 52–17 (.754)
Arkansas Razorbacks (Southeastern Conference) (2019–present)
2019–20 Arkansas 20–12 7–11 T–10th Postseason not held due to COVID-19
2020–21 Arkansas 25–6 13–4 2nd NCAA Division I
Arkansas: 45–18 (.714) 20–15 (.571)
Total: 155–52 (.749)
Why do only major program tourney wins count? The ones he won at SFA are more impressive that a drubbing of Drexel.
He’s taken three programs to the tourney in 6 years, won tourney games with 2 different schools. His year at OSU they lost in the first round 91-90 to a red hot Michigan team (a trendy dark horse FF contender) in one of the most entertaining games of the whole tourney.
Most likely a top 5-6 seed last year and that opportunity to add more NCAA wins was erased due to Covid.
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Statistics overview
Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
Nevada Wolf Pack (Mountain West Conference) (2015–2019)
2015–16 Nevada 24–14 10–8 T–4th CBI Champions
2016–17 Nevada 28–7 14–4 1st NCAA Division I Round of 64
2017–18 Nevada 29–8 15–3 1st NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2018–19 Nevada 29–5 15–3 1st NCAA Division I Round of 64
Nevada: 110–34 (.764) 52–17 (.754)
Arkansas Razorbacks (Southeastern Conference) (2019–present)
2019–20 Arkansas 20–12 7–11 T–10th Postseason not held due to COVID-19
2020–21 Arkansas 25–6 13–4 2nd NCAA Division I
Arkansas: 45–18 (.714) 20–15 (.571)
Total: 155–52 (.749)
so you're going with Muss as well?
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Since we're talking about Texas for some reason in the Underwood thread... who you guys going to claim will be the next Texas coach?
I'll go with Musselman
And the winner gets to have an AOTC award
Not saying he’s a bad choice, but I’d be a bit surprised if it were Musselman. I think Texas will shoot a bit higher and would be surprised if they weren’t able to get one of their top 2-3 choices. And I’d be surprised if he’s in the top 3.
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so you're going with Muss as well?
Comparable college record to Underwood. Musselman is a year younger. Different prior background.
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Rick (I guess he stopped going by Ricky?) Pitino will be 69 in September.
Calipari turned 62 in February.
So? Have you seen Pitino? He’s still sharp as a tack. They don’t need someone that’s going to be there 25 years. Pitino can be there 4-5 years and hand it off to whomever they choose from there. Tony LaRussa is 76 and they gave him the keys to the White Sox.
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Comparable college record to Underwood. Musselman is a year younger. Different prior background.
Musselman is a little more impressive than Underwood.
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It is a prime example of something....
Keep going...
Is it that you don’t want to be seen as cheerleading for me?
You can’t possibly agree that Underwood would be among Texas’ top 3 or so choices.
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"the dumb"?
Yeah; you know that little overwhelming bit a homerism that makes an otherwise smart person think that Mitchell Trubisky is basically as impressive as Patrick Mahomes; or that Underwood would be preferable to John Calipari if you were Texas.
If you’ve got a better name for it, I’m all ears.
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Mr. chickengeorge, I don't know if I've ever mentioned this, but I like you.
Just wanted you to know that.
Wasn’t ChickenGeorge once revealed to be racist?
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Wasn’t ChickenGeorge once revealed to be racist?
No, probably just sexist. By just you.
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No, probably just sexist. By just you.
Better put some band-aids on my ankles.
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Wasn’t ChickenGeorge once revealed to be racist?
No. But I think you are a racist. You hate whitey.
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No. But I think you are a racist. You hate whitey.
The last couple days you’re making a run for “Poster of the Year.”
Or it could just have something to do with “low-hanging fruit” or something like that.
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So Musselman and Oats—despite practically having the same resumes as Underwood—are higher on Texas’ list than Underwood (in a year in which Underwood had the most successful overall season) because Underwood lost to Loyola.
There is some danger in overvaluing tourney performances. John Groce, for example. All the HOFers you brought up have had worse tourney losses than Loyola, including Pitino. But their overall bodies of work are tremendous, which is why you keep recommending them.
Also why would Cal leave the bluest blue blood for any other reason than his seat was getting warm and/or needed a change of scenery? He’s already the highest paid coach in CBB at over 8 million a year.
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So Musselman and Oats—despite practically having the same resumes as Underwood—are higher on Texas’ list than Underwood (in a year in which Underwood had the most successful overall season) because Underwood lost to Loyola.
There is some danger in overvaluing tourney performances. John Groce, for example. All the HOFers you brought up have had worse tourney losses than Loyola, including Pitino. But their overall bodies of work are tremendous, which is why you keep recommending them.
Also why would Cal leave the bluest blue blood for any other reason than his seat was getting warm and/or needed a change of scenery? He’s already the highest paid coach in CBB at over 8 million a year.
Way too many words. Only takes 3.
Waste. Of. Time.
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So Musselman and Oats—despite practically having the same resumes as Underwood—are higher on Texas’ list than Underwood (in a year in which Underwood had the most successful overall season) because Underwood lost to Loyola.
There is some danger in overvaluing tourney performances. John Groce, for example. All the HOFers you brought up have had worse tourney losses than Loyola, including Pitino. But their overall bodies of work are tremendous, which is why you keep recommending them.
Also why would Cal leave the bluest blue blood for any other reason than his seat was getting warm and/or needed a change of scenery? He’s already the highest paid coach in CBB at over 8 million a year.
Musselman’s style would be appealing to Texas. Plus his were quicker turnarounds. Moody will be a top 10 draft pick. Musselman came from the NBA. Underwood from Juco
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Oats would be better than Underwood because his career trajectory seems much sharper. And he’s younger.
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No. But I think you are a racist. You hate whitey.
I mean; he kinda deserves it, doesn’t he?
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Who / where are the young, up and coming coaches? Most of the name coaches mentioned in this thread are about Underwood's age or older.
Bill Self was 37 when Illinois hired him in June of 2000.
Young Coaches? Lavall Jordan 42 in April. Archie Miller 43 in October. Nate Oats 47 in October. Bryce Drew 47 in September. Chris Beard 48. Mick Cronin 50 in June. Chris Holtmann 50 in November. Sean Miller 53 in November.
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...because Underwood lost to Loyola.
There is some danger in overvaluing tourney performances. John Groce, for example. All the HOFers you brought up have had worse tourney losses than Loyola, including Pitino. But their overall bodies of work are tremendous, which is why you keep recommending them.
Maybe, just maybe, "how" Illinois lost to Loyola would be the reason why? Guy did zilch at halftime. Completely inexcusable. But, here we are. The "BUFFs" are rolling at HQ2.
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I mean; he kinda deserves it, doesn’t he?
I have this crazy habit, I judge individuals based on their actions. Could give a fuck about their color.
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You can’t possibly agree that Underwood would be among Texas’ top 3 or so choices.
Where have I remotely said anything close to that? Of course they would take Cal or Pitino over Underachiever. They are not going to take either Underachiever or Miller.
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Who / where are the young, up and coming coaches? Most of the names coaches mentioned in this thread are about Underwood's age or older.
Bill Self was 37 when Illinois hired him in June of 2000.
Young Coaches? Lavall Jordan 42 in April. Archie Miller 43 in November. Nate Oats 47 in October. Mick Cronin 50 in June. Chris Holtmann 50 in November. Sean Miller 53 in November.
Beard and Drew. Almost certainly those are the top two names on their list. I could possibly see Beard turning them down. Drew strikes me as an opportunist who would quickly jump at the offer.
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I mean, he kinda deserves it, doesn’t he?
You don’t think Native Americans weren’t killing other Native Americans? Tribes were fighting other tribes for dominance and land. If they had our technology, there would be a dominant tribe here now. We just happened to be the dominant one. During that time it was survival of the fittest. That’s how the world worked at that time. Hell, it still does currently.
You don’t think African’s weren’t killing other African’s in their countries and trying to eradicate others? Hell African’s were the ones selling their own into slavery and profiting off of it. Look at what they’re doing in a lot of their own people are doing in African counties today.
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I have this crazy habit, I judge individuals based on their actions. Could give a fuck about their color.
This.
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Where have I remotely said anything close to that? Of course they would take Cal or Pitino over Underachiever. They are not going to take either Underachiever or Miller.
You just seemed critical is all. 😂
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Agreed, Miller is very unlikely. But I have little doubt they’d prefer him over Underwood.
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I have this crazy habit, I judge individuals based on their actions. Could give a fuck about their color.
I’ve heard that a lot from racists. Not saying you’re one of them (but you might be).
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Damn. I make a post telling chickengeorge I like him, and he gets attacked for being a racist.
Sorry about that, chickengeorge.
Dude I really think Tempo is fucked up. Crying racism and sexism at everybody is just way too fucking extreme.
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Damn. I make a post telling chickengeorge I like him, and he gets attacked for being a racist.
Sorry about that, chickengeorge.
Eh, consider the source.
It's all good, from one cock aficionado to another. Rock on!
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Damn. I make a post telling chickengeorge I like him, and he gets attacked for being a racist.
Sorry about that, chickengeorge.
You have the Midas touch.
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Christ, next time I'll keep my mouth shut.
But then you would be biting on whatever cock you have in your mouth.....Heyyyyyyyyy OOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Damn. I make a post telling chickengeorge I like him, and he gets attacked for being a racist.
Sorry about that, chickengeorge.
Well; if you’re going to call yourself chickengeorge and have a slave as your profile pic, your kinda “putting yourself out there.”
Anyway, enough about chickengeorge. Who here is proud to be white?
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And, why in the blue fuck do we care so much about Texas' coaching search?
Jesus Christ.
Because we are holding onto an irrational belief that they will want to "steal" Underachiever from Illinois?
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And, why in the blue fuck do we care so much about Texas' coaching search?
Jesus Christ.
Because, Shaka????
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Eh. Maybe. Shit like that doesn't bother me that much.
You and a lot of white people. Back the blue.
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I'm gonna go suck a cock now. Ttyl
Hopefully there will be no local fire so you are not disturbed.
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Because we are holding onto an irrational belief that they will want to "steal" Underachiever from Illinois?
I dont think it’s totally far fetched in the event Beard says no. The fact IU had to hire Mike Woodson means this is potentially a really bad year to make a hire. His name carries weight amongst some fans, I know he came up last year in a few rumors. The Loyola choke job may be too much to get high up the list though
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I dont think it’s totally far fetched in the event Beard says no. The fact IU had to hire Mike Woodson means this is potentially a really bad year to make a hire. His name carries weight amongst some fans, I know he came up last year in a few rumors. The Loyola choke job may be too much to get high up the list though
I can think of probably at least 5 reasons off the top of my head Underwood wouldn’t get the Texas job that have absolutely nothing to do with Loyola. The Loyola loss would rank last in the reasons not to hire Underwood.
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Eh, consider the source.
It's all good, from one cock aficionado to another. Rock on!
We're you racist a year ago ? Or is this a disease you caught recently ?
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Beard and Drew. Almost certainly those are the top two names on their list. I could possibly see Beard turning them down. Drew strikes me as an opportunist who would quickly jump at the offer.
yeah I don't think Drew is going anywhere, especially Austin considering his love for Jesus and he built Baylor to be a better job than Texas anyway
Have you heard the Chris Beard story? ;D
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You and a lot of white people. Back the blue.
now you're just trolling again... sad!
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I can think of probably at least 5 reasons off the top of my head Underwood wouldn’t get the Texas job that have absolutely nothing to do with Loyola. The Loyola loss would rank last in the reasons not to hire Underwood.
If they don’t get Beard or Drew, who gets called next? There isn’t really anything close to an obvious choice. Musselman and/or Oats but I don’t think the outside world views them better than Underoonie.
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I dont think it’s totally far fetched in the event Beard says no. The fact IU had to hire Mike Woodson means this is potentially a really bad year to make a hire. His name carries weight amongst some fans, I know he came up last year in a few rumors. The Loyola choke job may be too much to get high up the list though
The point is, for Underwood to get offered by Texas, they’d probably have to get a “no” from AT LEAST a half dozen other coaches. That ain’t happening. It’s not a slam on Underwood that he’d be like #12 on their coaching list. It’s a good thing that the thought of him taking a coveted job isn’t totally ludicrous.
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If they don’t get Beard or Drew, who gets called next? There isn’t really anything close to an obvious choice. Musselman and/or Oats but I don’t think the outside world views them better than Underoonie.
My guess is they’d call Pitino or try to poach Cal. I see Musselman and Oats as back end 2nd tier options. Just a guess. I think after Shaka bombing they are going to pretty hell bent on getting a fairly proven commodity.
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The point is, for Underwood to get offered by Texas, they’d probably half to get a “no” from AT LEAST a half dozen other coaches. That ain’t happening. It’s not a slam on Underwood that he’d be like #12 on their coaching list. It’s a good thing that the thought of him taking a coveted job isn’t totally ludicrous.
Sure, if they include Brad Stevens or Coach Cal-like pie in the sky names. If it’s an actual realistic search for a non-blue blood job then his name and geographic background/experience would make a top 5 let’s talk list
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My guess is they’d call Pitino or try to poach Cal. I see Musselman and Oats as back end 2nd tier options. Just a guess. I think after Shaka bombing they are going to pretty hell bent on getting a fairly proven commodity.
Calipari ain't going anywhere dude come on, why not put Phil Jackson or Greg Popovich on the list of names while you're at it
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Sure, if they include Brad Stevens or Coach Cal-like pie in the sky names. If it’s an actual realistic search for a non-blue blood job then his name and geographic background/experience would make a top 5 let’s talk list
Yeah he’s gonna keep you going for at least the next 5 pages if you just don’t reply, “ok, you’re right.”
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Sure, if they include Brad Stevens or Coach Cal-like pie in the sky names. If it’s an actual realistic search for a non-blue blood job then his name and geographic background/experience would make a top 5 let’s talk list
Stevens isn’t going to Texas. Cal, probably isn’t, but I wouldn’t rule it out completely. Cal’s always been a Gypsy and leaves before his welcome is worn out. It would be a great way to rejuvenate his brand and they’d be foolish not to look into him if their first couple choices don’t pan out. They can certainly afford him.
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If Beard or Drew don’t work out, my gut says Pitino gets the next call. He’d definitely take it.
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Calipari ain't going anywhere dude come on, why not put Phil Jackson or Greg Popovich on the list of names while you're at it
Because one is only unlikely, while the other two are completely ludicrous.
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But yes, I think Pitino gets a call before Cal. You basically get the same thing for half the price.
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If Beard or Drew don’t work out, my gut says Pitino gets the next call. He’d definitely take it.
pretty sure they don't want a 70 year old guy with tons of baggage and scandals under his belt
I was actually shocked to find out he was coaching this year, I thought he was banned from NCAA basketball LOL
it wouldn't surprise me to see him get interviewed or hired though
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Calipari ain't going anywhere dude come on, why not put Phil Jackson or Greg Popovich on the list of names while you're at it
Oh, look what I just found. Several articles linking Calipari POSSIBLY going to Texas.
I’ll look for the Phil Jackson or Pop to Texas articles next.
https://www.aseaofblue.com/platform/amp/2021/3/26/22352412/texas-longhorns-coach-rumors-news-chris-beard-uk-basketballs-john-calipari
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Maybe, just maybe, "how" Illinois lost to Loyola would be the reason why? Guy did zilch at halftime. Completely inexcusable. But, here we are. The "BUFFs" are rolling at HQ2.
Were you in the locker room? I have not watched the game, but I looked at this video. What I am seeing is a hedge trap on high ball screen with weak side help on the slip screen. In addition to hedging, Krutwig was reaching in and hacking down with his left hand. They were also hand checking and switching on some ball screens. I would not call that ice defense. Maybe on some other plays? When the ball when into Kofi, they had two guys reaching in and 2 guys shoving him. Loyola got away with a ton of reaching in and hand checking in the half court defense.
Lyola also did a good job of getting back in transition defense.
https://youtu.be/77gpsEFDRdc
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pretty sure they don't want a 70 year old guy with tons of baggage and scandals under his belt
I was actually shocked to find out he was coaching this year, I thought he was banned from NCAA basketball LOL
it wouldn't surprise me to see him get interviewed or hired though
It’s fucking Texas dude. All they want to do is win. Sure, he’s old. He’s also taken 3 different programs to the Final Four.
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Sure, if they include Brad Stevens or Coach Cal-like pie in the sky names. If it’s an actual realistic search for a non-blue blood job then his name and geographic background/experience would make a top 5 let’s talk list
I think what has primarily contributed to Coach Hulka having some success here is the recruiting by Antigua and Coleman and his other staff.
As long as he has his key staff he should be competitive despite his lack of coaching chops.
Hopefully they persuade some impact transfers to come this year, and a few higher level guys out of HS along the way, or the whole thing starts to become a tractor pull again.
He is making $4MM a year. I think this is about as good as it gets for Hulka. If I was him, I would work very hard to refill the cupboard and not fck this up.
He is set for life if he can simply follow up with tourney teams in most years. Illinois fans are fairly easily satisfied after wandering around in the desert for years.
Only thing that would kick him out is several first round exits, or collapses like this year if he ever gets another Top 10 team again sometime.
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An interesting development. Would be surprised if he got the gig, but definitely a rising prospect as a coach.
https://www.burntorangenation.com/platform/amp/2021/3/28/22355842/royal-ivey-interviews-texas-longhorns-head-coach
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An interesting development. Would be surprised if he got the gig, but definitely a rising prospect as a coach.
https://www.burntorangenation.com/platform/amp/2021/3/28/22355842/royal-ivey-interviews-texas-longhorns-head-coach
That’d be quite the downgrade from all their top picks. Much like the Indiana hire. Very disappointing if it pans out.
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I think what has primarily contributed to Coach Hulka having some success here is the recruiting by Antigua and Coleman and his other staff.
As long as he has his key staff he should be competitive despite his lack of coaching chops.
Hopefully they persuade some impact transfers to come this year, and a few higher level guys out of HS along the way, or the whole thing starts to become a tractor pull again.
He is making $4MM a year. I think this is about as good as it gets for Hulka. If I was him, I would work very hard to refill the cupboard and not fck this up.
He is set for life if he can simply follow up with tourney teams in most years. Illinois fans are fairly easily satisfied after wandering around in the desert for years.
Only thing that would kick him out is several first round exits, or collapses like this year if he ever gets another Top 10 team again sometime.
This might insult your sensitivities but I agree with this pretty strongly.
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This might insult your sensitivities but I agree with this pretty strongly.
I think it is the reality. We will gladly accept a good enough competitive Top 5 Big Ten program that makes the tourney as a 4-11 seed.
Maybe Hulka gets a horseshoe up his ass some tourney and makes a FF.
That will make people happy for 15 years.
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I have not watched the game, but I looked at this video.
Classic Nichi.
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Illinois fans are fairly easily satisfied after wandering around in the desert for years.
As we have seen here....
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Oh, look what I just found. Several articles linking Calipari POSSIBLY going to Texas.
I’ll look for the Phil Jackson or Pop to Texas articles next.
https://www.aseaofblue.com/platform/amp/2021/3/26/22352412/texas-longhorns-coach-rumors-news-chris-beard-uk-basketballs-john-calipari
I guess that depends on your definition of possibly, they acknowledge in the article
"could show interest in John Calipari
Though Calipari probably won’t consider the job, who Texas hires may still have a big effect on Kentucky’s recruiting efforts."
considering one of the first guys they interviewed was an alum who is an NBA assistant, yeah I'm going to guess that isn't happening and the article (much like the chris beard articles) were written for clicks
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I guess that depends on your definition of possibly, they acknowledge in the article
"could show interest in John Calipari
Though Calipari probably won’t consider the job, who Texas hires may still have a big effect on Kentucky’s recruiting efforts."
considering one of the first guys they interviewed was an alum who is an NBA assistant, yeah I'm going to guess that isn't happening and the article (much like the chris beard articles) were written for clicks
Lol ok
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Lol ok
I'm sorry you struggle with the concept of click bait
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I'm sorry you struggle with the concept of click bait
I agree that Cal to Texas is not probable. But if they miss on their first couple or targets it’s not hard to imagine them going after Cal. They’re about the only program that could afford to lure him away. And there are tweets supporting that Texas may be looking at him. Of course, we don’t know if Cal would have any real interest. Still yet to see the Phil Jackson or Greg Poppovich click bait.
I think Pitino to Texas would be more likely. Pretty much the same guy for half the price. And Pitino would almost certainly take the job.
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Maybe, just maybe, "how" Illinois lost to Loyola would be the reason why? Guy did zilch at halftime. Completely inexcusable. But, here we are. The "BUFFs" are rolling at HQ2.
Is Tony Bennett a good coach? How about K? Bill Self? Dean Smith? Mark Few? John Calipari? Bob Knight? Eddie Sutton? Jim Boeheim? Lute Olson? Tom Izzo? John Thompson?
They’re all on this list, several more than once. No coach ever looks good losing to a double digit seed no one has ever heard of:
https://medium.com/sportsraid/25-biggest-upsets-march-madness-history-ncaa-basketball-cinderella-umbc-virginia-georgetown-villanova-6c741ee3bd36
I’m not apologizing for the coaching or the loss but this is the nature of the tournament and even the best of the best have had way worse upsets than ours. The key is to consistently get to the tourney, hope for a good draw, and then make a run. We watched these guys all year and saw how vulnerable they could be due to some roster gaps and inconsistency from younger guys. Anyone that took the Loyola game for granted and is still apoplectic totally deserves it.
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Is Tony Bennett a good coach? How about K? Bill Self? Dean Smith? Mark Few? John Calipari? Bob Knight? Eddie Sutton? Jim Boeheim? Lute Olson? Tom Izzo? John Thompson?
They’re all on this list, several more than once. No coach ever looks good losing to a double digit seed no one has ever heard of:
https://medium.com/sportsraid/25-biggest-upsets-march-madness-history-ncaa-basketball-cinderella-umbc-virginia-georgetown-villanova-6c741ee3bd36
I’m not apologizing for the coaching or the loss but this is the nature of the tournament and even the best of the best have had way worse upsets than ours. The key is to consistently get to the tourney, hope for a good draw, and then make a run. We watched these guys all year and saw how vulnerable they could be due to some roster gaps and inconsistency from younger guys. Anyone that took the Loyola game for granted and is still apoplectic totally deserves it.
Lulz
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I can’t be the only one that sees the obvious fatal flaw in Custard’s “logic.”
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And the “but Pitino is tainted” angle is ludicrous. If Pitino took the Texas job, it would absolutely be billed as a redemption story. Multiply that by 10 if they make a Finalf Four under him. Please tell me you guys aren’t this naive.
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I can’t be the only one that sees the obvious fatal flaw in Custard’s “logic.”
Well considering how much he improved our dumpster fire of a basketball program in a short amount of time, and his work he did at Steven F Austin (in Texas), it wouldn't surprise me to see him on a short list of possible coaches.
One game does not a season make... but whatever I don't really fucking care who Texas hires, but I can almost assure you it will be an unassuming one like Indiana did
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I can’t be the only one that sees the obvious fatal flaw in Custard’s “logic.”
What is it?
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Is Tony Bennett a good coach? How about K? Bill Self? Dean Smith? Mark Few? John Calipari? Bob Knight? Eddie Sutton? Jim Boeheim? Lute Olson? Tom Izzo? John Thompson?
I do not think Underachiever is remotely comparable to the coaches on your list.
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What is it?
That Underachiever is not remotely comparable to the coaches he named?
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Well considering how much he improved our dumpster fire of a basketball program in a short amount of time, and his work he did at Steven F Austin (in Texas), it wouldn't surprise me to see him on a short list of possible coaches.
One game does not a season make... but whatever I don't really fucking care who Texas hires, but I can almost assure you it will be an unassuming one like Indiana did
Oh, I am guessing this one will probably be in peoples' memory banks for quite some time.
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I do not think Underachiever is remotely comparable to the coaches on your list.
To help Rob, this is the answer.
It’s like comparing the achievements of a 27 year old Greg Luzinski to the full careers of Mickey Mantle or Willie Mays. Luzinski had an excellent career, but to mention him in the same breath as Mickey Mantle or Willie Mays is a complete farce.
Those coaches have all won as many tourney games in a single year as Underwood has coached in his entirety.
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I can’t be the only one that sees the obvious fatal flaw in Custard’s “logic.”
You are the only one who sees lots of things. A trait you share in common with Rob.
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You are the only one who sees lots of things. A trait you share in common with Rob.
That's funny.
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To help Rob, this is the answer.
It’s like comparing the achievements of a 27 year old Greg Luzinski to the full careers of Mickey Mantle or Willie Mays. Luzinski had an excellent career, but to mention him in the same breath as Mickey Mantle or Willie Mays is a complete farce.
Those coaches have all won more tourney games in a single year than Underwood has coached in his entirety.
Not sure Underachiever compares to Greg "The Bull" Luzinski....
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You are the only one who sees lots of things. A trait you share in common with Rob.
I don’t know, man. The flaw with custards logic seemed quite obvious.
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Not sure Underachiever compares to Greg "The Bull" Luzinski....
I’m trying to be generous.
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That Underachiever is not remotely comparable to the coaches he named?
If you want to accept Tempo's Black & White worldview, I guess.
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That Underachiever is not remotely comparable to the coaches he named?
I’m not comparing them to Underwood. I demonstrated that what happened in the Loyola game happens to the best in the business.
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Dunno. I didnt read it. But would comments from 'a sea of blue' about Calipari taking the Texas job be similar to someone on IlliniHQ suggesting Texas shouldnt be looking at Underwood because it would be a bad choice for Texas ?
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I’m not comparing them to Underwood. I demonstrated that what happened in the Loyola game happens to the best in the business.
No shit. You don’t say...
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I’m not comparing them to Underwood. I demonstrated that what happened in the Loyola game happens to the best in the business.
I’ll bet Mickey Mantle and Greg Luzinski both struck out at least once with the bases loaded.
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If you want to accept Tempo's Black & White worldview, I guess.
Oh brother. I think you are letting your anti-Tempo bias get the best of you.
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Oh brother. I think you are letting your anti-Tempo bias get the best of you.
It’s the most predictable thing in message boarding.
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I’m not comparing them to Underwood. I demonstrated that what happened in the Loyola game happens to the best in the business.
Yes, we all know that happens. Underwood's resume is in no way remotely comparable, at this time, to any of those coaches.
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“Mickey Mantle sometimes struck out in big situations. Therefore, Greg Luzinski is comparable to Mickey Mantle.”
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Oh brother. I think you are letting your anti-Tempo bias get the best of you.
A person need not study Tempo to form an immediate impression that he lumps things into either/or categories.
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A person need not study Tempo to form an immediate impression that he lumps things into either/or categories.
Seems like you may be guilty of that too!
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A person need not study Tempo to form an immediate impression that he lumps things into either/or categories.
I thought I was the ultimate fence-rider? How can I at the same time be black/white and the ultimate fence rider? C’mon guys, you’re confusing my self-identity here.
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Seems like you may be guilty of that too!
I don't view Tony Bennett, Bill Self and K as commodities.
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I thought I was the ultimate fence-rider? How can I at the same time be black/white and the ultimate fence rider? C’mon guys, you’re confusing my self-identity here.
This is a nuanced distinction you're drawing. Well done.
But separating all things into two sides almost necessitates a fence, doesn't it?
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Yes, we all know that happens. Underwood's resume is in no way remotely comparable, at this time, to any of those coaches.
It doesn’t matter if his resume is comparable or not. The message is to not overvalue or undervalue any coach because of one game or one tournament.
That stretch to close out the season and BTT was one of the most memorable and enjoyable stretches in my entire Illini fandom. Underwood took over from Groce and over the course of four years, built that.
If you and Tempo want to dismiss his abilities because of the Loyola game that’s your prerogative. You act like this was the only chance we’ll ever have. That’s pretty understandable given our history. I happen to think we’ll be in the tourney regularly going forward.
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I don't view Tony Bennett, Bill Self and K as commodities.
Was referring to your view of Tempo.
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I happen to think we’ll be in the tourney regularly going forward.
Now this post should be screen shot and stored by Rob in his archives.
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It doesn’t matter if his resume is comparable or not. The message is to not overvalue or undervalue any coach because of one game or one tournament.
That stretch to close out the season and BTT was one of the most memorable and enjoyable stretches in my entire Illini fandom. Underwood took over from Groce and over the course of four years, built that.
If you and Tempo want to dismiss his abilities because of the Loyola game that’s your prerogative. You act like this was the only chance we’ll ever have. That’s pretty understandable given our history. I happen to think we’ll be in the tourney regularly going forward.
This has been explained to you in pretty vivid terms, but you’re still not understanding. Self and K fail at the highest level Underwood has achieved. Both of those coaches have won as many tourney games in a single tourney as Underwood has coached in. How does that not hit you in the head like a hammer?
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Was referring to your view of Tempo.
Yes. Me too.
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Bill Self and Coach K were “failing” at the highest level Underwood has ever achieved at an age where they could have been his son.
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How does that not hit you in the head like a hammer?
Getting hit in the head with a hammer explains a lot of the preceding pages.
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Yes. Me too.
Haha. Nicely done.
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Bill Self and Coach K were “failing” at the highest level Underwood has ever achieved at an age where they could have been his son.
Joe Biden didn't reach the presidency until he was 77. Therefore he's worse than Franklin Pierce.
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Joe Biden didn't reach the presidency until he was 77. Therefore he's worse than Franklin Pierce.
That’s not the way it works. Age is only part of the equation.
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K lucked into a relationship with Bob Knight, therefore Underwood is better?
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K lucked into a relationship with Bob Knight, therefore Underwood is better?
Rob tried to have a relationship with logic, but logic spurned him.
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I guess Custard changed his mind. Good call.
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Hitting the lock button is pretty easy. Kinda like accidentally opening a member profile.
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Joe Biden didn't reach the presidency until he was 77. Therefore he's worse than Franklin Pierce.
Ok, so Young Hickory did preside over the Gadsden Purchase. He liked to drink. Good family man. Ran over an old lady with his horse. That is all I got. Oh wait, he was 47 (youngest President to date at the time) and considered a handsome fella.
And how did I miss this one? He was a "one and done." Coach Cal would love him.
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Joe Biden had a better resume when he became President than Franklin Pierce did when he became President.
Joe Biden would be on the Texas coaching search list. Franklin Pierce would not (despite his pro-slavery leanings).
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Hitting the lock button is pretty easy. Kinda like accidentally opening a member profile.
Lulz
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Hitting the lock button is pretty easy. Kinda like accidentally opening a member profile.
Bingo. Didn’t realize it til I exited back out to the main forum and saw it was locked.
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Bingo. Didn’t realize it til I exited back out to the main forum and saw it was locked.
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I would have blamed Tempo, since he could lock the thread too.
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I would have blamed Tempo, since he could lock the thread too.
I'm in.
Tempo shouldn't have locked the thread.
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Oh, I am guessing this one will probably be in peoples' memory banks for quite some time.
maybe, maybe not... if we start making the tournament every season, it might not
I certainly don't really care or remember much about Bill Self's team losing to Notre Dame in the 2nd round
then again I'm just wishing and hoping here so take it for what thats worth... lol
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Do you believe your thoughts and memories are representative of the Illini fan base?
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maybe, maybe not... if we start making the tournament every season, it might not
I certainly don't really care or remember much about Bill Self's team losing to Notre Dame in the 2nd round
then again I'm just wishing and hoping here so take it for what thats worth... lol
Dude, we are still talking about Austin Peay almost 40 years later.
My typing skills stink.
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Dude, we are still talking abouy Austin Peay almost 40 years later.
I think we can all agree Lou Henson is not on Texas’ short list.
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I think we can all agree Lou Henson is not on Texas’ short list.
Don't temp Tempo!
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You should change the name of this board to TexasHQ. Because that’s what fucking Tempo is passionate about and Jesus knows when he is passionate he can make up for all of the lost traffic by talking to himself.
Jesus Christ, this is comical and sad all at once. Fucking Texas.
What are your thoughts on what would have happened if the Illini had hired Bill Cartwright?
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What are your thoughts on what would have happened if the Illini had hired Bill Cartwright?
Would he have failed at a high level?
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Like Shaka?
Brad Underwood won more tourney games coaching in Texas than Shaka did.
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Do you believe your thoughts and memories are representative of the Illini fan base?
No, thank the fsm im waaay smarter than most of the Illini fan base
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Exactly.
And he still prefers Shaka.
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You guys are crushing it.
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Chant his name!
Tempo. Tempo. Tempo. Tempo. Tempo.
Cheering you on, buddy!
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He’s to Shaka much like what Mammydork is to Groce. Mammy isn’t here anymore bcuz he followed Groce. Maybe we’ll get lucky and Tempo will go to the Marquette boards🤷🏻♂️
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Listening to you guys is like listening to the fellas hanging outside at the Gas n Sip on Saturday nights.
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Listening to you guys is like listening to the fellas hanging outside at the Gas n Sip on Saturday nights.
😂 they say the same shit about you too?!
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😂 they say the same shit about you too?!
I know you are, but what am I?
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I know you are, but what am I?
https://images.app.goo.gl/j9ZYFV4eAU1sMgwVA
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Listening to you guys is like listening to the fellas hanging outside at the Gas n Sip on Saturday nights.
Whatever floats your boat, I guess. Any port in a storm.
Just please don't lock the thread again.
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Surprised he didn’t pin his white pride thread
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I just don’t get the Texas infatuation.
Me, either.
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Wait, I just looked farther back. Did Tempo actually lock the thread at one point?
Jesus Fuckin Christ.
That wasn’t me, Cowboy.
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Surprised he didn’t pin his white pride thread
I can pin my own thread?
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Maybe Custard can change tempo‘s username to Threadlocker34.
You wield information like a QAnon member. Ahhhh, who am I kidding? You probably are one.
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Yeah, right.
Why would I lock my own thread? It never dawned on me that I even could.
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Bingo. Didn’t realize it til I exited back out to the main forum and saw it was locked.
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Here’s Custard admitting he was the one who locked the thread. If only Jobu knew how to read. It might help lighten his cognitive dissonance.
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Tempo, it's been established that you locked the thread.
Just don't do it again, okay?
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Nah, he was being nice and trying to cover for you. Lol
Why would I lock my own thread? You don’t think I want to hear more of my own takes?
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Why would I lock my own thread? You don’t think I want to hear more of my own takes?
You’re trying to suppress the other posters, you fucking racist!! In a White Power thread of all places!
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Why would I lock my own thread? It never dawned on me that I even could.
Sounds like something a threadlocker would say
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Sounds like something a threadlocker would say
You guys must’ve been cafeteria all-stars in junior high. Is it pizza day, yet?
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There are a lot of bad people in the world but threadlockers are the worst.
When he gets to prison he is a dead man.
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You guys must’ve been cafeteria all-stars in junior high. Is it pizza day, yet?
Pizza boats, MFer
Now gimme ur lunch money
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There are a lot of bad people in the world but threadlockers are the worst.
When he gets to prison he is a dead man.
Come on. Love me, hate me, kill me, anything. Just let me know it.
Sometimes nothin’ can be a real cool
hand.
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Shower time at PE, bitch!
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Need Smitty to make a photoshop like that old one of that matta taking bruce to the woodshed but with HQ carrying tempo instead
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Need Smitty to make a photoshop like that old one of that matta taking bruce to the woodshed but with HQ carrying tempo instead
So you would take Underwood over Calapari too, huh?
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Now here’s a job that makes sense to link to Underwood. But when he says “Illinois is his dream job,” I think I actually believe him.
https://kkam.com/7-guys-who-could-be-texas-techs-basketball-coach-in-2022/
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Why not Kansas State?
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Why not Kansas State?
Didn't they sign Weber to a lifetime contract?
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why not North Carolina?
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Beard to Texas
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Beard to Texas
A new chapter in the Chris Beard story...
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Why not Kansas State?
Honestly; that would be a great fit.
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Beard to Texas
Texas Tech fans will be ready for his return
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Beard to Texas
Damn, so Underwood turned them down, huh?
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I was kind of hoping Beard would turn them down. Would have been super interesting to see which direction they went from there.
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A new chapter in the Chris Beard story...
Can't wait to read it.
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Texas Tech fans will be ready for his return
Why, you don’t think Beard can win there?
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Can't wait to read it.
Rob should write a book on Chris Beard. “Chris Beard: Have you heard his story?”
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poor Texas Tech.
I wouldve stayed.
Less pressure
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poor Texas Tech.
I wouldve stayed.
Less pressure
yeah but then you'd have to live in Lubbock vs Austin
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Ol' Roy Williams retiring to the rocking chair.
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Ol' Roy Williams retiring to the rocking chair.
It was pretty gratifying seeing Wiscy beat the piss out of them. He was broken after that game.
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Kevin Keatts taking the UNC job.
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So, who's on UNC's short list? Maybe we can talk about that for the next 10-15 pages. I'm tired of Texas.
Whoever it is I hope he sucks
eff UNC
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Ol' Roy Williams retiring to the rocking chair.
With his box of tissues in hand. Poor Roy :'( :'( :'(
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Rob should write a book on Chris Beard. “Chris Beard: Have you heard his story?”
A lot of people have already written it. It's neither complicated nor interesting.
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Hubert Davis gets promoted.
Wes Miller.
Bill Self to UNC would be fun.
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poor Texas Tech.
I wouldve stayed.
Less pressure
He’s going to be a very rich man, coaching basketball. The only real pressure he should feel is the pressure he puts on himself.
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yeah but then you'd have to live in Lubbock vs Austin
And this.
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A lot of people have already written it. It's neither complicated nor interesting.
If it’s not interesting, why did you spend a month asking everybody if they’ve heard his story?
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Texas is a football school.
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If it’s not interesting, why did you spend a month asking everybody if they’ve heard his story?
If you mean the five minutes I spent shooting down your repeated theory that Beard was the top candidate for any job, it's because so many people had already explained that he wanted to be near his daughters.
His eldest has now graduated, and gone off to college in NYC. The other two are still in Texas, as is their dad.
https://www.fox23.com/sports/family-runs-deep-for-texas-tech-s-chris-beard-at-ncaa-tournament/933514454/
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If you mean the five minutes I spent shooting down your repeated theory that Beard was the top candidate for any job, it's because so many people had already explained that he wanted to be near his daughters.
His eldest has now graduated, and gone off to college in NYC. The other two are still in Texas, as is their dad.
https://www.fox23.com/sports/family-runs-deep-for-texas-tech-s-chris-beard-at-ncaa-tournament/933514454/
I have no idea what that retort means. I’m sure it makes perfect sense to you.
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poor Texas Tech.
I wouldve stayed.
Less pressure
Sounds like pressure doesn’t faze him.
“The University of Texas winning tradition and pride will not be entrusted to the timid or weak. I [can’t] tell you how proud and excited I am. I promise you I'm a lot of things, but timid and weak are not two of those things,” said Beard. “I understand the standards and expectations of this program. I'm not running from it. I'm not scared of it. It is the reason I'm here. We are going to win at the highest level. We're going to win sooner than later.” - Chris Beard
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So, who's on UNC's short list? Maybe we can talk about that for the next 10-15 pages. I'm tired of Texas.
Think Underwood gets the call?
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No
Why not? Good enough for Texas, but not for UNC?
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Why not? Good enough for Texas, but not for UNC?
It hurts me to see an eager troll working with such mediocre material. Hopefully something controversial will crop up for you.
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The Chris Beard Story keeps getting better
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Has Underachiever been mentioned for the Loyola job?
Maybe we need to pay players more to get them to stay?
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Starting to look like Underwood was a stars aligned one-hit wonder. Hard to see a path back to the top 10 while Curbelo is here, and Curbelo should have been the window where Underwood really solidified the program. We will see, but it’s hard to be optimistic about our chances of making a tourney run next year, or probably even the year after.
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Oh man he’s going all in on AOTC
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Well, the situations with Kofi and now Miller need to be resolved.Even Frazier creates questions now.
No starter impact guy will come until it is.
The spot that is wide open would be the 4.
I guess we assume they are planning on Curbelo and Hutcherson as a given.
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Starting to look like Underwood was a stars aligned one-hit wonder. Hard to see a path back to the top 10 while Curbelo is here, and Curbelo should have been the window where Underwood really solidified the program. We will see, but it’s hard to be optimistic about our chances of making a tourney run next year, or probably even the year after.
You were wrong last time, don’t be surprised when you’re wrong this time too.
I’ll start getting nervous if Antigua leaves at some point.
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Disagree.
This is Tempo Nouveau. Tempo Classic requires a new thread, posted at 2:30 am.
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Man, what a thread!
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Disagree.
This is Tempo Nouveau. Tempo Classic requires a new thread, posted at 2:30 am.
Robb, and his magic bag of memes. Does it get any better?!
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Starting to look like Underwood was a stars aligned one-hit wonder. Hard to see a path back to the top 10 while Curbelo is here, and Curbelo should have been the window where Underwood really solidified the program. We will see, but it’s hard to be optimistic about our chances of making a tourney run next year, or probably even the year after.
This aged like milk
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This aged like milk
Holy shit! I don’t think I ever saw that post. That’s an unbelievable take!😳
Nice find, Custard!
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Well, we all probably say some shit that in retrospect is cringeworthy.
Kind of why I stay away from saying much on game threads.
Who was that one little bitch??? Legends? He had meltdowns every 30 seconds during games.
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Who was that one little bitch??? Legends? He had meltdowns every 30 seconds during games.
Yeah don’t miss him too much. He’s a bigger drama queen than Tempo and ThePAMan.
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I’m here to give Underwood credit and say I was mostly wrong (sort of) about whether he would turn around the program. He’s far exceeded his first contract expectations. I do think he’s been incredibly lucky. I’m not sure he’s a Final Four favorite if not for Covid.
There were some unforeseen things that worked out to his advantage. Ayo staying 3 years, Kofi essentially emerging as the best true big our program has ever had (anyone who said they saw that coming was just being an optimistic homer). Curbelo is something else. Did Antigua deliver bother Kofi and Curbelo? If so, give him the co-MVC
Regardless of how we got here, Underwood has far exceeded my expectations to this point and for that he deserves my (mostly) mea culpa. This team has grown before our very eyes and has been a joy to watch. Not sure anyone can beat Gonzaga, but I sure hope they get a chance.
I’m also pleased there’s been no embarrassing PR lately. And having said all of the above, I’d still rather have Shaka Smart. Even if it has taken him a while to find real success at Texas.
If that’s not a Tempo style Pat on the back to Underwood, what is?!
Good job Coach U.
haha classic first post
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This aged like milk
At the time, it was a very reasonable assumption Kofi, Trent, Damonte, and Adam Miller would not be back.
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Actually, Miller might not have entered the portal yet, not sure. But most people assumed Kofi was gone, and Girogi was pretty iffy. For a while looked like Andre might be the only really good player returning.
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Obviously, Kofi and Trent deciding to return was key.
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This aged like milk
I saw that one last night.
It's apparently been relegated to 'throwaway line' status now.
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But Texas wouldn’t wouldn’t be interested in Calipari because he’d just had a terrible year, amirite Custard? Lmao
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I saw that one last night.
It's apparently been relegated to 'throwaway line' status now.
No, a lot changed a few months after that post, genius. Almost no one but the most optimistic among us thought Kofi was returning.
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No, a lot changed a few months after that post, genius. Almost no one but the most optimistic among us thought Kofi was returning.
If you didn’t know, then nobody did!
Such arrogance. Only YOU can be AOTC. Noted.
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If you didn’t know, then nobody did!
Such arrogance. Only YOU can be AOTC. Noted.
What??? Try to make sense please.
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I don’t think many people thought Kofi coming back was that realistic. Him returning was a surprise, and a great relief.
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There was a while there where Curbelo being the only core player returning was a distinct possibility.
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If you didn’t know, then nobody did!
Such arrogance. Only YOU can be AOTC. Noted.
Did you think I was saying I knew Kofi was returning? That’s not what I was saying. But your post would then make a lot more sense.
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Because I thought there was a 90% chance Kofi was gone.
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Did you think I was saying I knew Kofi was returning? That’s not what I was saying. But your post would then make a lot more sense.
And you’re calling me dumb🤦🏻♂️
I’m saying that because you didn’t know he was, nobody can. If Tempo doesn’t know something or AOTC, then nobody can be damnit. It was just a miracle and an act of God. They weren’t “right” just pure luck is all. When the shoe is on the other foot, you can’t help yourself to gloat and say how you knew something that nobody else did and break your arm to Pat yourself on your back. It’s a complex you have. And it’s insufferable. We all see it but you. Why do you think you take so much shit here?! Damn man, it’s that self-awareness I keep talking about.
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You’re an idiot.
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You’re an idiot.
Nah man, the truth hurts sometimes.
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You can call me whatever you want, but it doesn’t change what I said from being true.
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So I did a timeline research. When I wrote that post, Giorgi had already announced he was leaving, Kofi was assumed to be gone. Miller had already entered the portal, and Frazier and Williams returning was far from a given. So, I have absolutely zero ragrets regarding that post.
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And you’re calling me dumb🤦🏻♂️
I’m saying that because you didn’t know he was, nobody can. If Tempo doesn’t know something or AOTC, then nobody can be damnit. It was just a miracle and an act of God. They weren’t “right” just pure luck is all. When the shoe is on the other foot, you can’t help yourself to gloat and say how you knew something that nobody else did and break your arm to Pat yourself on your back. It’s a complex you have. And it’s insufferable. We all see it but you. Why do you think you take so much shit here?! Damn man, it’s that self-awareness I keep talking about.
So you “knew” Kofi was coming back?
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I don’t see where assuming Kofi was gone is a controversial take. Most were pleasantly surprised when he announced he’d be back.
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So you “knew” Kofi was coming back?
Sure. No I didn’t honestly.
That’s not the point though. Why I wrote the above post is it’s regarding EVERY topic or situation. Again I’ll use the phrase “it’s a microcosm of your whole persona.” It might be your narcissism, idk. You just can’t help it. Nobody else can see what you see or be right. Only Tempo can be AOTC. Otherwise it was just “pure luck.” When you predict it or say it, it’s just because you’re so smart lol.
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You’re just obsessed with nitpicking everything i say. All I’m saying is it was a more than reasonable and widely held opinion that Kofi wasn’t likely to be back. There is nothing controversial or “gotcha” about that. You’re a weird dude.
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Or “AOTC.”
At that time, it was a very realistic possibility the only core player returning would be Curbelo.
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My bad, I overlooked Grandison. But it would not have been promising if we were rebuilding on the fly with just Curbelo and Grandison.
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I said my piece. Think or say whatever you want. I’m an idiot, weird, stupid, wrong, or whatever. Idgaf. I’d say the board agrees with my assessment that you’re a narcissist.
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Nah, I’m just a guy with mostly reasonable takes.
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Reasonable takes often don’t go over well in a fan forum. 🤷🏻♂️
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You tell yourself what you want.🤷🏻♂️ I don’t think I’m the only one that feels that way.
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You tell yourself what you want.🤷🏻♂️ I don’t think I’m the only one that feels that way.
Yeah, I don’t think you’re the only homer on the board. You’re correct about that much.
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Starting to look like Underwood was a stars aligned one-hit wonder. Hard to see a path back to the top 10 while Curbelo is here, and Curbelo should have been the window where Underwood really solidified the program. We will see, but it’s hard to be optimistic about our chances of making a tourney run next year, or probably even the year after.
Tempo is “reasonable.”
All Underwood has ever done is find ways to win everywhere he’s been.
But yeah let’s call him a “star aligned one hit wonder” because Tempo is basically the Illinois sports version of the guy on the sidewalk with a “THE END IS NEAR” sign.
Newsflash: It doesn’t take a savant to predict disappointment for Illini and Bears fans. Even better, it’s hysterical that someone would actually take pride in correctly doing so. It’s the easiest thing in the world.
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Custard is a homer who wraps himself in a thin veil of “reason.”
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Imagine being a big enough Underwood homer to think that Texas would have serious interest in Underwood. And not be interested in Calipari because he was coming off of a bad year lmao.
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Custard is a homer who wraps himself in a thin veil of “reason.”
You’ll have a hard time finding much material where I’m objectively wrong about anything to do with Illinois athletics. And nothing even approaching the level of objective wrong contained in your post I quoted.
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Tempo is “reasonable.”
All Underwood has ever done is find ways to win everywhere he’s been.
But yeah let’s call him a “star aligned one hit wonder” because Tempo is basically the Illinois sports version of the guy on the sidewalk with a “THE END IS NEAR” sign.
Newsflash: It doesn’t take a savant to predict disappointment for Illini and Bears fans. Even better, it’s hysterical that someone would actually take pride in correctly doing so. It’s the easiest thing in the world.
I was forewarning of later failure as early as 2006. We weren’t a miserable wreck of a basketball program then. Far from it.
I was not particularly AOTC on football. As I was late to get off the Zook train.
I rooted against Lovie his last couple years (Bears). I bought in on Trestman, so I was very wrong about that. I’ll admit when I was right, and wrong.
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I was late to get off the Zook train because I wasn’t sure we could do better. Thus far, we haven’t.
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So yeah, keep up with the “always betting against the Illini and Bears” trope. Because it’s not accurate. I’ve been right more than wrong, but I have been wrong at times and will admit when I am. Trestman I got way wrong.
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Why did you wait until 2006?
Illinois had their most dominant team in 100 years and Bruce Weber gave a basketball scholarship to a football player from Georgia.
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You’ll have a hard time finding much material where I’m objectively wrong about anything to do with Illinois athletics. And nothing even approaching the level of objective wrong contained in your post I quoted.
Again dimwit, at the time, it looked like a strong possibility that Curbelo and Grandison would be the only returning core players.
And again, imagine being a big enough Underwood homer to think that Texas would prefer him to John Calipari. You are a homer wrapped in a thin veil of “realism.”
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Why did you wait until 2006?
Illinois had their most dominant team in 100 years and Bruce Weber gave a basketball scholarship to a football player from Georgia.
It was probably closer to spring of 2005. I didn’t write a diary. When did you start criticizing Weber?
I started signaling the alarm bells with more fervor when we lost out on Sherron Collins. You were probably one of the dimwits quoting Longstreet or whatever his name was. “Show me the canceled check.”
As critical as I was of Weber, I was not completely off the Weber train until the Ohio State loss in 2010.
I’d already earned my stripes as a “Weber hater” well before then, though.
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So the guy who basically condemns a coach’s career based on limited information—and then uses limited information as an excuse for being wrong—calls me a dimwit.
Cool.
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We’ll see how it goes. I’m hopeful, but not optimistic.
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Off topic for a moment. I’ll ask again, are you vaxxed?
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Imagine the level of coach fealty it takes to hear a coach compare his own players to a low-quality racehorse and NOT think “yeah, he definitely shouldn’t have said that.”
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A coach that’s accomplished Jack shit on top of it.
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We’ll see how it goes. I’m hopeful, but not optimistic.
"Hopeful but not optimistic".
Tell us how one does that? Pick a lane.
😆
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A coach that’s accomplished Jack shit on top of it.
Bielema or Underwood?
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"Hopeful but not optimistic".
Tell us how one does that? Pick a lane.
😆
I’m hopeful that a middling coach can achieve middling results at Illinois. Clear enough?
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Bielema or Underwood?
Bielema. Try and keep up.
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Bielema. Try and keep up.
Well chatting about him in an Underwood thread isn’t typical Tempo. I was surprised you didn’t start another thread. Anyways….
Bielema hasn’t accomplished jack shit?! You might wanna rethink that assessment. 🤔
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It was probably closer to spring of 2005. I didn’t write a diary. When did you start criticizing Weber?
I started signaling the alarm bells with more fervor when we lost out on Sherron Collins. You were probably one of the dimwits quoting Longstreet or whatever his name was. “Show me the canceled check.”
As critical as I was of Weber, I was not completely off the Weber train until the Ohio State loss in 2010.
I’d already earned my stripes as a “Weber hater” well before then, though.
I wanted him fired after he set the school record three seasons after taking Self’s roster to the title game. I completely checked out of the message boards.
Reluctantly bought in when they signed the 2009 class/got Richmond on board early.
The losses to UIC and Indiana when IU was completely devastated after the Sampson debacle totally did me in.
Like most of us, I am at the cesspool because I was a Self apologist and Weber hater. I got run off all the other boards for speaking the truth.
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Well chatting about him in an Underwood thread isn’t typical Tempo. I was surprised you didn’t start another thread. Anyways….
Bielema hasn’t accomplished jack shit?! You might wanna rethink that assessment.
His biggest accomplishment was inheriting a program from Barry Alvarez. The cachet he earned there has long since dissipated. Even Robb referred to him as “an obese unemployed drinker” 6 months ago. He’s a middling coach getting his 3rd and last shot at a desperate program.
And Custard is the one who brought him up.
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And Custard is the one who brought him up.
🤔
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So the guy who basically condemns a coach’s career based on limited information—and then uses limited information as an excuse for being wrong—calls me a dimwit.
Cool.
Are you not referring to Bielema here?
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Are you not referring to Bielema here?
No I was referring to you saying Underwood was a “star aligned one hit wonder”
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I guess I have the wrong “limited information” beef here. Thought he was referring to Bielema.
Yes, I stand by going on the information we had at the time. It was not expected that Kofi, Trent, and DaMonte would be back. And Giorgi and Miller were gone for sure. Had I foreseen the totally unexpected, I wouldn’t have made that comment. You got me. *eyeroll*
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Time will tell. He’s lucky Kofi came back and Trent and DaMonte still have eligibility. We’ll see if he can keep it rolling in the future without Antigua and Coleman.
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I doubt it.
On the other hand, we might be surprised by Tim Anderson.
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Are you not referring to Bielema here?
Try and keep up. 😂🤣 you just can’t make this shit up.
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Custard about 10 days after I wrote what he quoted me on:
“I actually would have been more than ok with having given those guys a raise after a historically good season (by Illinois standards) with a team they built.
But it was a tough recruiting cycle and I think we all can admit things weren’t looking so hot a few weeks ago. So it may not have been received particularly well.”
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This is just too easy.
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Try and keep up. you just can’t make this shit up.
Sounded exactly like the 18 pages of shit in the Bielema thread. *shrug*
Regardless, as you can see above, Custard clearly agreed that things “weren’t looking so hot” at the time I made the post he quoted me on.
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I’m hopeful that a middling coach can achieve middling results at Illinois. Clear enough?
That is totally different statement in which you clearly think he and team and program pretty much sucks ass. So I guess that is your lane.
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That is totally different statement in which you clearly think he and team and program pretty much sucks ass. So I guess that is your lane.
You are nitpicking really hard. When Custard says “things weren’t looking so hot,” that’s a clear sign things looked pretty bleak. “How will they justify raises”
Get real.
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That was a bad paraphrasing job on my part, but clearly, even Custard could see that they could have been perceived poorly at that moment.
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There was a two-three week period or so where things seemed to be evaporating rapidly. I won’t apologize for calling it as it appeared at the time.
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Sounded exactly like the 18 pages of shit in the Bielema thread. *shrug*
Regardless, as you can see above, Custard clearly agreed that things “weren’t looking so hot” at the time I made the post he quoted me on.
You don’t/didn’t even know who the fuck he was talking about in this thread. At least I asked. And you wanna make some condescending response to me. Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit. Narcissists gonna narcissist.
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Time will tell. He’s lucky Kofi came back and Trent and DaMonte still have eligibility. We’ll see if he can keep it rolling in the future without Antigua and Coleman.
Yeah man it’s all luck. They definitely didn’t put any work at all into convincing those guys to come back.
And if DMW and Trent didn’t have the extra year of eligibility, I’m sure they wouldn’t have added any quality transfers to take their places.
But I agree it was really good that Kofi came back in the end because his months-long circus really hamstrung the staff from getting any of the high quality big men that were in the transfer portal.
The new staff already has a couple top 100 guys committed and are squarely in the mix on several other top players. Simply can’t replace Antigua but early signs are pretty promising. Really need to capitalize on our national prominence to keep the momentum going. Every time we get to this level something derails the train, so it’s hard not to have PTSD.
And yes things weren’t looking too hot but that’s why you see how things shake out before condemning a coach that’s been successful everywhere he’s been as a one hit wonder.
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Yeah man it’s all luck. They definitely didn’t put any work at all into convincing those guys to come back.
And if DMW and Trent didn’t have the extra year of eligibility, I’m sure they wouldn’t have added any quality transfers to take their places.
But I agree it was really good that Kofi came back in the end because his months-long circus really hamstrung the staff from getting any of the high quality big men that were in the transfer portal.
The new staff already has a couple top 100 guys committed and are squarely in the mix on several other top players. Simply can’t replace Antigua but early signs are pretty promising. Really need to capitalize on our national prominence to keep the momentum going. Every time we get to this level something derails the train, so it’s hard not to have PTSD.
And yes things weren’t looking too hot but that’s why you see how things shake out before condemning a coach that’s been successful everywhere he’s been as a one hit wonder.
Quit being rational.
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Reasonable gonna reasonableness.
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If I were truly a narcissist I’d have never willingly confessed that I was dead wrong on Trestman (embarrassing). None of you would have ever known that had I not offered it un-coerced.
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But I will say, I’m rather fond of my own opinions (that doesn’t make me unique).
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But I will say, I’m rather fond of my own opinions (that doesn’t make me unique).
Oh we know.
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Oh we know.
Just trying to inject a little levity into the discussion. Won’t happen again.
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Just trying to inject a little levity into the discussion. Won’t happen again.
It’s ok. Sometimes it just becomes too much and overwhelming for some. Small doses though is fun. Just my opinion. Do your thing.
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That is totally different statement in which you clearly think he and team and program pretty much sucks ass. So I guess that is your lane.
You posted something about not posting in-game. Imo, post in-game all you want.
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You posted something about not posting in-game. Imo, post in-game all you want.
I am just like all of us. I wonder wtf abt rotations and plays when I get pissed. 😆
I do think this year will be more fun to watch. If they guard, could be very good team.
This Kofi suspension thing hurts developing cohesion though.
It sucks.
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I am just like all of us. I wonder wtf abt rotations and plays when I get pissed. 😆
I do think this year will be more fun to watch. If they guard, could be very good team.
This Kofi suspension thing hurts developing cohesion though.
It sucks.
And I suppose we could have proactively sat Kofi for the next 2 games, and hope the NCAA views that as a self-imposed and sufficient penalty.
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And I suppose we could have proactively sat Kofi for the next 2 games, and hope the NCAA views that as a self-imposed and sufficient penalty.
Doubt that would have worked, but coulda been worth a shot. Not sure what Kofi gets out of playing against undersized guys (I’m assuming).
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Yeah man it’s all luck. They definitely didn’t put any work at all into convincing those guys to come back.
And if DMW and Trent didn’t have the extra year of eligibility, I’m sure they wouldn’t have added any quality transfers to take their places.
But I agree it was really good that Kofi came back in the end because his months-long circus really hamstrung the staff from getting any of the high quality big men that were in the transfer portal.
The new staff already has a couple top 100 guys committed and are squarely in the mix on several other top players. Simply can’t replace Antigua but early signs are pretty promising. Really need to capitalize on our national prominence to keep the momentum going. Every time we get to this level something derails the train, so it’s hard not to have PTSD.
And yes things weren’t looking too hot but that’s why you see how things shake out before condemning a coach that’s been successful everywhere he’s been as a one hit wonder.
Didn’t notice this till just now. I never said it was all luck. But the pandemic/eligibility rules certainly seemed to work in Underwood’s favor.
“Everywhere he’s been” is a bit of a reach IMO. The guy was a HC all of four years before getting here, and inherited a couple of really nice situations. Illinois was the worst situation he inherited, and I’m not sure he does what he does without Antigua and Coleman, who are now obviously both gone.
As I’ve said, he’s exceeded my expectations for him by quite a bit, but it’s also come with what I view as one of the 2-3 worst tourney losses we’ve ever had. Despite the fact Loyola was underseeded. I will be very curious to see if he can maintain the program to a top 10-15 level without Antigua and Chin. Time will tell.
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Damn, I did not realize until now two of Underwood’s seasons at SFA were vacated…
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So non-vacated winning percentage in 6 years of coaching is .597.
2-3 in the NCAAs (one of those teams a 1 seed). Yep, massive winner. Undeniable.
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Did you think we clawed our way out of the Weber-shaped hole by playing it Guenther-style?
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Did you think we clawed our way out of the Weber-shaped hole by playing it Guenther-style?
No, I did not. But I also did not know Underwood was a confirmed cheater.
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No, I did not. But I also did not know Underwood was a confirmed cheater.
Hulka has not ever been specifically named or formally sanctioned as a "cheater" to my knowledge. He is no saint and plays the game and those around him play the game. We do not play it at the level of other schools it appears.
The rules are what they are, and there are a lot of ways to circumvent the rules that ultimately do not end up within the bounds of the NCAA, or result in any penalties because the NCAA intentionally looks the other way or chooses a lesser fall guy.
For every sloppy blatant arrogant violation like with Sean Miller, or Will Wade- there are hundreds of arms length transactions that take place everyday that are technically not regulated.
It's like anything else in America where huge sums of money to be made are involved.
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I wanted him fired after he set the school record three seasons after taking Self’s roster to the title game. I completely checked out of the message boards.
Reluctantly bought in when they signed the 2009 class/got Richmond on board early.
The losses to UIC and Indiana when IU was completely devastated after the Sampson debacle totally did me in.
Like most of us, I am at the cesspool because I was a Self apologist and Weber hater. I got run off all the other boards for speaking the truth.
What was your username back then?
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Back on Underwood here....26.4 turnover rate...345 ranked nationally. Someone may want to tell our guards the way to win is keep the ball.
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What was your username back then?
Strjock81
Member since March 2004
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Strjock81
Member since March 2004
How you could not go with "JsnCubs88" there is beyond me.
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Did you think we clawed our way out of the Weber-shaped hole by playing it Guenther-style?
You spoke way too soon, still getting Weber-like results.
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Underachiever 0-3 against the last three "real" teams he has coached against.
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We look uncoached.
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We look uncoached.
Lkdog on Team Realist!
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Bring back angry in your face, red in the face, throwing clipboards Brad
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Lkdog on Team Realist!
Nahhh. Never been a Hulka fan. He is below average game coach. Usually does get them playing some defense as year goes on.
He is really fcking up a fair amount of talent so far here.
I thought Chet was going to have some impact on the D so we didn't have to wait until late January again.
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We have Curbelo, Frazier, Williams and Kofi returning. All we had to do is slot Hawkins into the 5th spot. It shouldn't be this hard. It's like watching a new coach with new players.
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I'm not a "Fire Underwood" guy but I won't sit here and blindly defend him either. He has sucked coming up with game plans (or lack thereof) against the last 3 "legit" opponents we went up against. That is what we call a disturbing trend, my friends.
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Yeah Underwood > Martin
https://twitter.com/tvallese/status/1473859063750574081?s=21
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I’m taking the L on Underwood. I’m seeing the nuts and bolts of a program that should be highly competitive for the foreseeable future.
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I’m taking the L on Underwood. I’m seeing the nuts and bolts of a program that should be highly competitive for the foreseeable future.
Oh no!
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Oh no!
You'd think he would wait until a deep NCAA run....
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The trajectories of the two programs/coaches are headed in opposite directions.
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You'd think he would wait until a deep NCAA run....
Definitely needs to happen, but I’ve said many times I won’t judge someone on a single season or outcome. You have to give yourself chances, and for the first time in a long time, the Illini program looks primed for a good seed in the NCAA tournament over successive years.
And I’ve actually seen Illini teams get better as the season unfolds (last years’ bed wetting being the exception). Something we haven’t seen in forever.
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Definitely needs to happen, but I’ve said many times I won’t judge someone on a single season or outcome. You have to give yourself chances, and for the first time in a long time, the Illini program looks primed for a good seed in the NCAA tournament over successive years.
And I’ve actually seen Illini teams get better as the season unfolds (last years’ bed wetting being the exception). Something we haven’t seen in forever.
I get it, but I'm not sure about doing it now just because they finally trashed a crap Mizzou team.
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I get it, but I'm not sure about doing it now just because they finally trashed a crap Mizzou team.
Tonight wasn’t the tipping point.
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I see a team that’s getting better despite not having a preseason All-America PG (and future NBA HOFer).
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I see a team that’s getting better despite not having a preseason All-America PG (and future NBA HOFer).
That’s the spirit, asshole! 😁
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Despite losing, I was reasonably impressed with the way they played against Arizona.
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Tonight wasn’t the tipping point.
Except you posted that tonight.
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Except you posted that tonight.
Ok, Sheriff. Take me in.
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Yeah Underwood > Martin
https://twitter.com/tvallese/status/1473859063750574081?s=21
I remember there were a few on the old HQ that were bitching and moaning when we didn't hire Clownzo.
Sure the guy can haul in recruits. Doesn't mean a thing if you can't coach 'em up.
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CT wanted Cuonzo soooo bad.
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I know some were around back then but…
I grew up watching that late 90’s early 2000’s ball…
Still young during the 80s FF and the scandal etc and hensons downfall…
But even then it was exciting ball with a lean year here and there…In reality the Deion thing altered the 90s…Self doing what he did same…But we blame AD schmuck for not paying up…Too much damage has been done honestly…Would we be whooping back then over a win against a bad Mizzou team…I doubt it…Hopefully these guys get there, but I just don’t see Underwhelm as “the guy”…Can’t recruit…He’s getting the most out of what he does get…Something Weber and Groce didn’t do…
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I just don’t see Underwhelm as “the guy”…Can’t recruit…He’s getting the most out of what he does get…Something Weber and Groce didn’t do…
We are indeed going to be in deep shit when all Groce’s recruits and his incoming top 20 class leave.
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Underwood has killed it in recruiting. Wtf are you even talking about? And how in the hell is your post even relevant? It’s just a bunch of mumble jumble. Besides, you’ve lost your posting tights if I’m not mistaken.
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Underwood has killed it in recruiting. Wtf are you even talking about? And how in the hell is your post even relevant? It’s just a bunch of mumble jumble. Besides, you’ve lost your posting tights if I’m not mistaken.
How many 5 star guys has he recruited…
Recruiting fringe players and getting lucky on a few of them panning out doesn’t count as “killing it”…
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How many 5 star guys has he recruited…
Recruiting fringe players and getting lucky on a few of them panning out doesn’t count as “killing it”…
😂🤣 ok man, you do you.
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How many 5 star guys has he recruited…
Recruiting fringe players and getting lucky on a few of them panning out doesn’t count as “killing it”…
That's a good point. How many did Self land during his brief stay? Kruger got a few, but it was not repeatable. Henson was here 8 or 9 years before he beat Bob Knight for a recruit. He recruited 6? McD AAs from 1980 to 1989. 2 from King. 2 from Simeon. That's good for us, but Knight was getting 2 or 3 in every class back in the day.
These days, due to aau ball, the rating services tend to favor flashy mature athletes over skilled basketball players. Also, late bloomers get overlooked.
You can win recruiting 4 stars and underrated 3 stars that fit.
Guys like Eddie Johnson, Kendall Gill, Steve Bardo, Kenny Battle, Kiwane Garris, Deron Williams, Trent Frazier, Andre Curbelo...
I haven't even mentioned the transfer portal.
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That's a good point. How many did Self land during his brief stay? Kruger got a few, but it was not repeatable. Henson was here 8 or 9 years before he beat Bob Knight for a recruit. He recruited 6? McD AAs from 1980 to 1989. 2 from King. 2 from Simeon. That's good for us, but Knight was getting 2 or 3 in every class back in the day.
These days, due to aau ball, the rating services tend to favor flashy mature athletes over skilled basketball players. Also, late bloomers get overlooked.
You can win recruiting 4 stars and underrated 3 stars that fit.
Guys like Eddie Johnson, Kendall Gill, Steve Bardo, Kenny Battle, Kiwane Garris, Deron Williams, Trent Frazier, Andre Curbelo...
I haven't even mentioned the transfer portal.
I would say Underwood is doing pretty damn good job on the recruiting side. Absolutely no complaints there.
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How many 5 star guys has he recruited…
Recruiting fringe players and getting lucky on a few of them panning out doesn’t count as “killing it”…
next class has the top player from 3 different states
that's pretty good
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Don’t know that I’d go so far as to say that Underwood is “killing it,” in recruiting, but it certainly seems his recruiting is competent. Would like to see a McDonalds All-America enter the fold; but no real complaints from me regarding recruiting. Also feel like we will have a shot at a good transfer.
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Just spotted Mensa Tempo's new sig.
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I know some were around back then but…
I grew up watching that late 90’s early 2000’s ball…
Still young during the 80s FF and the scandal etc and hensons downfall…
But even then it was exciting ball with a lean year here and there…In reality the Deion thing altered the 90s…Self doing what he did same…But we blame AD schmuck for not paying up…Too much damage has been done honestly…Would we be whooping back then over a win against a bad Mizzou team…I doubt it…Hopefully these guys get there, but I just don’t see Underwhelm as “the guy”…Can’t recruit…He’s getting the most out of what he does get…Something Weber and Groce didn’t do…
Wow. Even Truth is out doing himself. This is his biggest hoax post I can recall over the decades. Usually he actually tries to make a point some naysayers would agree with.
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Wow. Even Truth is out doing himself. This is his biggest hoax post I can recall over the decades. Usually he actually tries to make a point some naysayers would agree with.
Yeah. Even the real Truth is appalled by the ellipsis abuse.
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I’m going to give B-rad a little credit. Dude took over a perennial bubble team and took them to a one seed in year four. To his discredit he brought a defensive scheme that didn’t work in the big leagues and stuck with it too long. But he adapted it and Illinois became one of the best defensive teams in the country.
He got a generational big in Kofi and adapted his offense to fit both him and Ayo. When Ayo left he brought in a dead eye shooter transfer and when Curbelo went down they moved to a 4 out offense which has been supremely effective.
Tonight when the shots weren’t falling they adjusted and attacked the basket. They ratcheted up the defensive intensity. They call plays for the guys that can make plays.
Much to Lkdog’s chagrin (wish he was here again) B-rad has proven he isn’t a “roll the ball out coach” by showing a lot of versatility around the available personnel. These adjustments obviously don’t happen as fast as we’d like them to, but they’re happening and it’s undeniable.
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I’m going to give B-rad a little credit. Dude took over a perennial bubble team and took them to a one seed in year four. To his discredit he brought a defensive scheme that didn’t work in the big leagues and stuck with it too long. But he adapted it and Illinois became one of the best defensive teams in the country.
He got a generational big in Kofi and adapted his offense to fit both him and Ayo. When Ayo left he brought in a dead eye shooter transfer and when Curbelo went down they moved to a 4 out offense which has been supremely effective.
Tonight when the shots weren’t falling they adjusted and attacked the basket. They ratcheted up the defensive intensity. They call plays for the guys that can make plays.
Much to Lkdog’s chagrin (wish he was here again) B-rad has proven he isn’t a “roll the ball out coach” by showing a lot of versatility around the available personnel. These adjustments obviously don’t happen as fast as we’d like them to, but they’re happening and it’s undeniable.
You seem to have some hard on with me. Don't know what that is about, but knock yourself out- it's your board.
I have hesitated to remind you about your insightful assessment of Plummer when your hero Underwood was not using him.
Plummer has been a life saver for us, at least in first half of season.
Underwood is a pretty average coach. Does some good things. Not bad, but nothing special. We looked pretty bad on both sides of the ball tonight without Kofi against a very weak MD team.
Still shows limited ability to make in game adjustments for long periods of time.
When he takes a team past the first round in the NCAA's he and you will have something to talk about.
Anything short of a S16 with this team will be a disappointment. I hope we make it. We certainly have the talent.
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That’s what I was looking for.
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When he takes a team past the first round in the NCAA's he and you will have something to talk about.
Anything short of a S16 with this team will be a disappointment. I hope we make it. We certainly have the talent.
Yeah, but at Illinois getting to the top of the B1G and losing in the 2d round (to Loyola) makes you a great coach. The bigotry of low expectations.
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That’s such a bizarre straw man. I don’t know anyone who wasn’t disappointed with the loss to Loyola. Just not sure that one game in a single elimination tournament should overshadow a pretty remarkable turnaround to a program that had been wallowing in pathetic mediocrity for over a decade.
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This has the look of a team that can do well in the tournament; especially if Hawkins, Payne, and the freshmen keep improving.
Concerns:
What happens if Kofi gets in foul trouble; plus Plummer, Trent, and Slim all have a cold shooting game?
Would a return of Belo disrupt chemistry?
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I think when Belo returns that he actually will enhance our outside gunners. With him driving the lane with multiple perimeter options, not to mention Kofi, I think we have a chance to be special.
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My Bovada balance is $159. Thinking about putting it all on the Illini to win the title at 33-1.
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Do it.
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That’s such a bizarre straw man. I don’t know anyone who wasn’t disappointed with the loss to Loyola. Just not sure that one game in a single elimination tournament should overshadow a pretty remarkable turnaround to a program that had been wallowing in pathetic mediocrity for over a decade.
It's not a straw man. Lot of people have had their heads out over their skis. How about a nice tournament run, or two, before we annoint him? The program had been a good one for quite some time and should be a good one. Not sure that Bruce and Groce being incompetent boobs means that Underwood is the Second Coming.
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Second coming? No. But Underwood has been legit at Illinois. He’s put together consecutive national title contenders at Illinois; and the recruiting has been solid. If he manages to sustain what he’s doing, he’ll have proven to be an excellent long-term hire.
Yes, the tournament collapse was an all-timer, but to me, giving yourself repeated chances is more important than a single tourney outcome. If he keeps getting top 3 seeds in the NCAA Tourney, the tourney loss to Loyola becomes forgivable.
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Yes, the tournament collapse was an all-timer, but to me, giving yourself repeated chances is more important than a single tourney outcome. If he keeps getting top 3 seeds in the NCAA Tourney, the tourney loss to Loyola becomes forgivable.
Poetry
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Damn you beat me to it. I actually agree with everything Tempo posted. It’s rational, coherent, and a pretty good take overall. Nice and refreshing. Some might actually call it…..well….poetry.
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Damn you beat me to it. I actually agree with everything Tempo posted. It’s rational, coherent, and a pretty good take overall. Nice and refreshing. Some might actually call it…..well….poetry.
Or an outlier.
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I’d say almost all of my work is vastly underrated and under-appreciated…
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I think it’s plenty appreciated, but perhaps in a different way.
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I think it’s plenty appreciated, but perhaps in a different way.
I giggled.
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I’d say almost all of my work is vastly underrated and under-appreciated…
Only eight days into 2022 and we already have the “least surprising” POTY.
Tempo complimenting himself. That sig of mine definitely isn’t wrong.
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Second coming? No. But Underwood has been legit at Illinois. He’s put together consecutive national title contenders at Illinois; and the recruiting has been solid. If he manages to sustain what he’s doing, he’ll have proven to be an excellent long-term hire.
Yes, the tournament collapse was an all-timer, but to me, giving yourself repeated chances is more important than a single tourney outcome. If he keeps getting top 3 seeds in the NCAA Tourney, the tourney loss to Loyola becomes forgivable.
Based on my previous post, I’ll call this the “most surprising” POTY already. Everybody else has an uphill climb to take these awards away from you the rest of the year. My guess is your only competitor is yourself. Can’t nobody hang with the great and powerful Oz. I mean, I mean, Tempo. Just waiting for someone to pull back the curtain.
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Judge Judy takes everything so literally. Pretty slow to recognize when someone is “in character.” I guess there’s a reason he’s almost universally recognized as the dumbest poster.
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You can pass it off as that if you’d like. We ALL know you love stroking your ego.
I don’t give two fucks what PassivePocketPussy and Diabetes Robb think. Or you for that matter because you are ashamed you were born a white male. But carry on…
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You can pass it off as that if you’d like. We ALL know you love stroking your ego.
I don’t give two fucks what PassivePocketPussy and Diabetes Robb think. Or you for that matter because you are ashamed you were born a white male. But carry on…
Are you extra talented at fixing lawnmowers and small engines?
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I think I'd rather have an active pocket pussy, wouldn't I? I mean isn't that the point?
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Where I grew up there was a ditch along the road. It held water much of the time so we could only mow it once in a while. When I was probably 14-15 I was mowing and there was a bag nestled down into the tall grass. Among the contents was an empty Pocket Pussy box. This was pre-internet, so this was kind of a Big Discovery.
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I find a good amount of dildoes, but so far, nary an electric cooch.
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Now THIS is a thread that is heating up! Nice work, gontle... ah whatever.
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Second coming? No. But Underwood has been legit at Illinois. He’s put together consecutive national title contenders at Illinois; and the recruiting has been solid. If he manages to sustain what he’s doing, he’ll have proven to be an excellent long-term hire.
Yes, the tournament collapse was an all-timer, but to me, giving yourself repeated chances is more important than a single tourney outcome. If he keeps getting top 3 seeds in the NCAA Tourney, the tourney loss to Loyola becomes forgivable.
Yes, the Second Coming. National title contenders? You may want to wear a cup, just in case.
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I’m actually starting to like Brad Underwood. Seems to have toned down the false tough guy bravado, and he’s assembled the kinds of teams I enjoy watching. Teams that get better as the season goes on, and teams that put away inferior opponents in crunch time.
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Guys! Tempo's perception has shifted slightly.
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It takes 3-5 years to warm to a coaching hire.
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It also would’ve helped if he was black.
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It takes 3-5 years to warm to a coaching hire.
This is probably, quite easily, the best application of this meme.
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It also would’ve helped if he was black.
True…
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(https://i.postimg.cc/RV5LKTcQ/6-F6-DE301-C226-444-C-8-C5-E-6-F28-E9904-F65.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mhj9GCpt)
Wish I’d made the bet a few days ago when it was 33-1
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Kiss of death. Thanks man.
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Kiss of death. Thanks man.
What was the excuse for not winning the title every other year?
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What was the excuse for not winning the title every other year?
Whitey
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Well played
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Whitey
Bulger?
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Interesting observation from a third-party observer regarding Underwood.
https://twitter.com/umhoops/status/1482235656122347521?s=21
Good thing certain people didn’t say it or else they’d be labeled a homer.
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Interesting observation from a third-party observer regarding Underwood.
https://twitter.com/umhoops/status/1482235656122347521?s=21
Good thing certain people didn’t say it or else they’d be labeled a homer.
I mean, it’s pretty factual, so I don’t see where one would be called a homer. The fact that he’s adapated his system isn’t debateable.
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Interesting observation from a third-party observer regarding Underwood.
https://twitter.com/umhoops/status/1482235656122347521?s=21
Good thing certain people didn’t say it or else they’d be labeled a homer.
Thanks for the link, Homer.
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I mean, it’s pretty factual, so I don’t see where one would be called a homer. The fact that he’s adapated his system isn’t debateable.
Glad you finally came on board recently with what some of us have been saying for awhile now, yet we’re called homers UNTIL you decided it was “factual” in your own mind.
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https://twitter.com/umhoops/status/1482235656122347521?s=21
Poetry.
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Glad you finally came on board recently with what some of us have been saying for awhile now, yet we’re called homers UNTIL you decided it was “factual” in your own mind.
I would have conceded he made these changes long ago, nitwit.
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The fact that he made changes to his system is inarguable. The fact that coaches are often stubborn is also inarguable. This wasn’t the aha moment for me taking to Underwood. There was no aha moment, it was a gradual process. But if it makes you feel better, when it comes to Underwood YOU NAILED IT! Pick up your button and 3 pack of cookies before you leave.
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The fact that he made changes to his system is inarguable. The fact that coaches are often stubborn is also inarguable. This wasn’t the aha moment for me taking to Underwood. There was no aha moment, it was a gradual process. But if it makes you feel better, when it comes to Underwood YOU NAILED IT! Pick up your button and 3 pack of cookies before you leave.
Thanks! It’s funny when someone else points out they were “right” or “AOTC” you attempt to diminish it with sarcasm. When it’s you, you can’t help but gloat and say I told you so. It is quite astonishing actually. But again, thanks for giving me the button and 3 pack of cookies.
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The fact that he made changes to his system is inarguable. The fact that coaches are often stubborn is also inarguable. This wasn’t the aha moment for me taking to Underwood. There was no aha moment, it was a gradual process. But if it makes you feel better, when it comes to Underwood YOU NAILED IT! Pick up your button and 3 pack of cookies before you leave.
He at least did some coaching by switching up from his disastrous gimmick D. Not sure how many coaches would do that. [Insert obligatory "too bad he didn't coach in the Loyola game" comment here.]
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Thanks! It’s funny when someone else points out they were “right” or “AOTC” you attempt to diminish it with sarcasm. When it’s you, you can’t help but gloat and say I told you so. It is quite astonishing actually. But again, thanks for giving me the button and 3 pack of cookies.
Has Illinois ever hired a football or basketball coach you weren’t optimistic about?
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Thanks! It’s funny when someone else points out they were “right” or “AOTC” you attempt to diminish it with sarcasm. When it’s you, you can’t help but gloat and say I told you so. It is quite astonishing actually.
You are obsessed with this narrative. Far more than even any of the others.
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He at least did some coaching by switching up from his disastrous gimmick D. Not sure how many coaches would do that. [Insert obligatory "too bad he didn't coach in the Loyola game" comment here.]
Clearly. His coaching wasn’t my main problem with him. It was his personality and stewardship. He seems to have adapted or overcome his early missteps.
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Has Illinois ever hired a football or basketball coach you weren’t optimistic about?
At the time they were hired I thought we could do much better than Beckman, Groce, and Weber.
Lovie I thought could either be a home run or bust. I leaned much more towards home run honestly.
After Self, I thought getting Weber was a huge fuck up on Ron Guenther‘s part and a huge step down in what we could’ve gotten. Quickly bought in mistakenly after 04-05 season.
Beckman was a doofus and I was not optimistic at all. Lasagna!
Groce not really. After the first season though, I warmed up a little bit, but overall never thought the future looked really bright.
Have always been high on Underwood. It’s a culture thing. I like his style.
I was optimistic with Zook. I figured a great recruiter and Florida reject could kill it here at Illinois where expectations and pressure were much lower. He did for awhile until we realized he was extremely dumb with the coaching part.
Loved the Lon Kruger hire and he had the “it” factor. This was one of the first coaching hires that really influenced me a lot. I was the right age (high school) and a huge transition for Illinois basketball. Lou leaving and a fresh start. The excitement was very high for me. His teams really solidified my passion for Illini sports. The Peoria connection was awesome and his teams were always tough and great culture. I thought we were going to get a NC with the Peoria guys when we signed them outta Manual. I still have that News-Gazette newspaper with them on the front.
I guess a fan is supposed to be optimistic and a homer. That’s the whole point. You should always be optimistic with your team and passionate until you realize it’s not the guy anymore to lead the program. It’s no fun to not buy in from the start. A fans part is to enjoy the ride and root for their team. When things happen like with Weber, Beckman, Groce, etc… happen, and you know they’re not the guy anymore, vent your frustration. Just not sure why you wouldn’t give them a chance from the start and try to be AOTC. It sucks all the enjoyment out of it imo. Give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove you right or wrong. That’s the way I view it anyways.
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The 2001 Bears scarred me for life (the playoff loss to Philadelphia, anyway). Haven’t been a “homer” for any team since. I could maybe dial it back a bit, but it’s the way I look at things now.
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Underachiever
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Underachiever
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That's nice. [Insert obligatory NCAA tournament record comment here.]
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Speaking of halftime adjustments, here’s some actual stats regarding Illinois and Underwood. Appears people on here calling people homers isn’t actually true. He DOES make changes at halftime…
https://twitter.com/jgtrends/status/1484203315504185348?s=21
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Just means he’s doing a terrible job of scouting and coming out strong.
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Just means he’s doing a terrible job of scouting and coming out strong.
Nice spin. I see what you did there. Well done.
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Here’s some more stats to break the Underwood can’t coach myth…
https://twitter.com/jgtrends/status/1484548087330844673?s=21
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Here’s some more stats to break the Underwood can’t coach myth…
https://twitter.com/jgtrends/status/1484548087330844673?s=21
How do you still praise this clown???
To make it funnier…We were up 5 with 17 minutes to go down an all American…
Then Underwhelm pulls a Bruce Weber and gets outscored 41-20 rest of the way 🤣🤣🤣…
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How do you still praise this clown???
To make it funnier…We were up 5 with 17 minutes to go down an all American…
Then Underwhelm pulls a Bruce Weber and gets outscored 41-20 rest of the way 🤣🤣🤣…
Would be a lot worse if we weren't at the top of the Big ten. But between last year and now this year at or near the top, it's a lot different than the Groce and post 05 Weber years where we never had a good conference record. You know?
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Honestly, given how good of NBA season Ayo is having, it makes the Loyola failure look even worse.
You gave this coach the most dominant college big man, and a starting NBA guard, and they got worked by an MVC team in which Underwood had no answers or adjustments.
This program without Kofi looks like garbage going forward.
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Honestly, given how good of NBA season Ayo is having, it makes the Loyola failure look even worse.
You gave this coach the most dominant college big man, and a starting NBA guard, and they got worked by an MVC team in which Underwood had no answers or adjustments.
Guessing Toll Booth Willie/Plaza/(original) Truth has had me on block for some time....
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If we fire Underwood after finally getting back to the top of the Big Ten we deserve to be bad.
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If we fire Underwood after finally getting back to the top of the Big Ten we deserve to be bad.
Who’s talking about firing him?
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If we fire Underwood after finally getting back to the top of the Big Ten we deserve to be bad.
Dude you supported John Groce year 5.
Your opinion on basketball coaches is not credible.
And it was Antigua that put Illinois back to an upper level Big 10 team.
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Dude you supported John Groce year 5.
Your opinion on basketball coaches is not credible.
And it was Antigua that put Illinois back to an upper level Big 10 team.
And you’re only here because you’re butthurt that UI kicked you out for stalking co-eds so I’m honestly not all that concerned about your opinions regarding my credibility.
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Dude you supported John Groce year 5.
Your opinion on basketball coaches is not credible.
And it was Antigua that put Illinois back to an upper level Big 10 team.
Who hired Antigua and Chin?
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Intercourse the penguin 🐧!
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Who hired Antigua and Chin?
Why did they leave?
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Do you really not know?
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Do you really not know?
Not really the point given the context.
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Carry on.
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🤔
https://twitter.com/wischlist/status/1486162286456803337?s=21
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🤔
https://twitter.com/wischlist/status/1486162286456803337?s=21
Wischnowsky has me blocked.
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🤔
https://twitter.com/wischlist/status/1486162286456803337?s=21
Whats the problem ? Wischnowski is making fun of Brad "NBA GM" Pinkston.
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Whats the problem ? Wischnowski is making fun of Brad "NBA GM" Pinkston.
Oh I know. I was posting it here because it’s a microcosm of what happens here. With probably most of us being Dave W. and Tempo and possibly ThePAMan being “NBA GM.”
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Wischnowsky has me blocked.
I don’t doubt it.
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I don't get the dislike for Underwood
Guy is 43-13 his last 56 games
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I don't get the dislike for Underwood
Guy is 43-13 his last 56 games
Same.
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I don’t doubt it.
He doesn’t like it when people disagree with or question him. He’s a homer who likes to project himself as objective. He and Custard are probably brothers.
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Whats the problem ? Wischnowski is making fun of Brad "NBA GM" Pinkston.
What does the tweet say?
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What does the tweet say?
Only complete dipshit clowns get blocked on Twitter by sportswriters.
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Only complete dipshit clowns get blocked on Twitter by sportswriters.
Only complete dipshit clowns get their feels hurt so bad on a message board they scrub their previous profile and posts, and virtually go into hiding.
Only complete dipshit clowns fake their own real life death on a message board for attention.
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it says this guy is a clown.
Brad “NBA GM” Pinkston.
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it says this guy is a clown.
Brad “NBA GM” Pinkston.
Context?
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Context?
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Only complete dipshit clowns get their feels hurt so bad on a message board they scrub their previous profile and posts, and virtually go into hiding.
Only complete dipshit clowns fake their own real life death on a message board for attention.
I've never been blocked on Twitter. By anyone.
You're a fucking joke. And a cunt. Go fuck yourself.
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That’s hilarious. Thank you for posting. The guy actually calls himself “NBA GM.” A rare occasion I agree with Wischnowsky.
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I get people who get mad at a game like Loyola or going the last 6 minutes of a game not having a FG like against Michigan State, but to say Underwood is a shitty coach is just blatantly false. So many examples show he’s a great coach and that’s just not me saying that being a homer.
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I get people who get mad at a game like Loyola or going the last 6 minutes of a game not having a FG like against Michigan State, but to say Underwood is a shitty coach is just blatantly false. So many examples show he’s a great coach and that’s just not me saying that being a homer.
I would mostly agree. How anyone can be dissatisfied with the results of the last 2.5 seasons is almost beyond comprehension. And shows a total lack of perspective to where this program was for a decade. Epic tournament collapse notwithstanding. Even I have come around on Underwood. I mean, I’m not a member of his fan club, but I think he’s done a really good job here, overall.
Complaining about how they finished when they ran up a big lead and won against MSU, without Kofi and Curbelo is a whole new level of entitled.
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Agreed. He’s been the most successful B1G coach the past 2-3 seasons and his recruiting has been nationally good. He’s got a great culture and didn’t miss a beat with his assistants leaving and basically a NPOTY in Ayo gone to the NBA and singing Underwood and Illinois praises. The trajectory of the program is almost vertical right now.
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Wischnowsky has me blocked.
There is one. Isn't he like Taylor Bell and usually rips on the Illini?
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Here’s some more good stuff and perspective on Underwood…
https://twitter.com/wcia3bret/status/1486429982545043458?s=21
Mostly posting this stuff to show Truth. Not that it will change anything, but can’t refute the real “Truth”
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Here’s some more good stuff and perspective on Underwood…
https://twitter.com/wcia3bret/status/1486429982545043458?s=21
Mostly posting this stuff to show Truth. Not that it will change anything, but can’t refute the real “Truth”
Turns out Alan Griffin was at the game as well and him and Underwood met and hugged
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https://twitter.com/ALionEye/status/1486165911539265537
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That’s awesome and shows the respect players and former players have for him.
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https://twitter.com/ALionEye/status/1486165911539265537
Probably regrets leaving. Unlike Mark Smith.
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https://twitter.com/ALionEye/status/1486165911539265537
Good to see no grudges being held from either side.
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Watching the Field of 68 on YouTube and Archie Miller said Underwood should be front runner for B1G coach of the year for having Illinois in first at almost the halfway point with all the shit he’s had to deal with. Kind of hard to argue.
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Agreed.
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https://twitter.com/TheFieldPass/status/1487129410109124613?s=20&t=TJxLc1sjbhkfXJlAJpWz7Q
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Winning the B1G is like winning the Rose Bowl in the CFP. No one should care. Play well in the Tournament is all that matters. Sorry.
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Winning the B1G is like winning the Rose Bowl in the CFP. No one should care. Play well in the Tournament is all that matters. Sorry.
Well it's a big sample size and a banner and the tournament committee usually gives high seeds to b1g champs so... yeah
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Well it's a big sample size and a banner and the tournament committee usually gives high seeds to b1g champs so... yeah
GMAFB. No one fucking cares that Illinois won or tied for the B1G last year (except Illinois apologists). Everyone else remembers Illinois choking as a 1 seed to a shit Loyola team last year. Only the tournament matters at this point. Just like only the CFP matters at this point.
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GMAFB. No one fucking cares that Illinois won or tied for the B1G last year (except Illinois apologists). Everyone else remembers Illinois choking as a 1 seed to a shit Loyola team last year. Only the tournament matters at this point. Just like only the CFP matters at this point.
Wrong, imo.
I'm ok with the hours of entertainment.
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Wrong, imo.
I'm ok with the hours of entertainment.
I get the entertainment part. But the Tournament is what matters in the end. Not conference championships.
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The reason Illinois fans care about winning the B1G or going to the Rose Bowl is because Illinois has not been competing for the ultimate championships for 50+ years, except for 2 occasions.
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I get the entertainment part. But the Tournament is what matters in the end. Not conference championships.
The Tournament is a one game elimination. That's not a reason to not enjoy the journey.
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I get the entertainment part. But the Tournament is what matters in the end. Not conference championships.
Well then maybe you should be excited about a great special teams coach…
See the Green Bay Packers
Quit contradicting yourself all over the place for attention and to try and be “cool” 😂 because you’re not.
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The reason Illinois fans care about winning the B1G or going to the Rose Bowl is because Illinois has not been competing for the ultimate championships for 50+ years, except for 2 occasions.
Pretty bad take, but its yours I guess
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The Tournament is a one game elimination. That's not a reason to not enjoy the journey.
I'm not saying that it isn't a reason not to enjoy watching it. Just that the focus should be on the tourney, not conference championships.
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Pretty bad take, but its yours I guess
This is part of the problem and why Illinois never gets anywhere.
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I'm not saying that it isn't a reason not to enjoy watching it. Just that the focus should be on the tourney, not conference championships.
Don't focus on today, guys. Focus on that game in a month and a half vs tbd.
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Don't focus on today, guys. Focus on that game in a month and a half vs tbd.
Oh c'mon.
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Why are you participating in a basketball thread? It's not even February.
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Why are you participating in a basketball thread? It's not even February.
I’ll give this two thumbs up. Straight up his fucking ass! Good job, Robbie!
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Oh c'mon.
Now go to the NU thread and tell Ridingthegrange that today's game don't mean squat as long as we're preparing for the tourney.
😁
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Oh man. PA man is getting his ass kicked.
You hate to see it.
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Oh man. PA man is getting his ass kicked.
You hate to see it.
He deserves every bit of it, you sexy bitch!
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He deserves every bit of it, you sexy bitch!
*blows kisses*
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Why are you participating in a basketball thread? It's not even February.
Lol
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Why are you participating in a basketball thread? It's not even February.
To help others realize that getting excited about winning conference championships is for losers.
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Now go to the NU thread and tell Ridingthegrange that today's game don't mean squat as long as we're preparing for the tourney.
😁
Beating NU should be a given with or without Kofi or Curbelo.
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*blows kisses*
The JizzJerkoff/Mentally Unstable Jobu Alliance is something to behold. Good to see you took your meds today.
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The JizzJerkoff/Mentally Unstable Jobu Alliance is something to behold. Good to see you took your meds today.
I don’t have an alliance with anybody here.
Interesting that you run with the Tempo narrative about my “mental stability”, tho. You guys don’t know a god damn thing about me. Lol
I’m mentally unstable because I hate Tempo and Tempo says I’m mentally unstable.
Thought you could think for yourself. Counselor.
Maybe you should talk about Judy’s personal life some more. You know, about how he “raped his daughter?”
That’s mentally stable as fuck. Asshole.
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To help others realize that getting excited about winning conference championships is for losers.
Would you be ok with conference champs and NCAA champs, or just blow off the conference part ?
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I don’t have an alliance with anybody here.
Interesting that you run with the Tempo narrative about my “mental stability”, tho. You guys don’t know a god damn thing about me. Lol
I’m mentally unstable because I hate Tempo and Tempo says I’m mentally unstable.
Thought you could think for yourself. Counselor.
Maybe you should talk about Judy’s personal life some more. You know, about how he “raped his daughter?”
That’s mentally stable as fuck. Asshole.
Just recalling how YOU mentioned you were having a tough time after the kids left the house. Go get some help dude. Seriously. And JudgeJudy is an idiot. You know that.
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Would you be ok with conference champs and NCAA champs, or just blow off the conference part ?
Blow off the conference champs part.
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I don’t have an alliance with anybody here.
Interesting that you run with the Tempo narrative about my “mental stability”, tho. You guys don’t know a god damn thing about me. Lol
I’m mentally unstable because I hate Tempo and Tempo says I’m mentally unstable.
Thought you could think for yourself. Counselor.
Maybe you should talk about Judy’s personal life some more. You know, about how he “raped his daughter?”
That’s mentally stable as fuck. Asshole.
I'm at Reggie's Rock Club at State and Cermak for Spin Lizzy and Kasmir if you want to drink and listen to rock and roll, Jobu.
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I'm at Reggie's Rock Club at State and Cermak for Spin Lizzy and Kasmir if you want to drink and listen to rock and roll, Jobu.
Sounds fun. Can’t make it tonight. Kinda gotta plan ahead for trips to Chicago. Lol
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I don’t have an alliance with anybody here.
Interesting that you run with the Tempo narrative about my “mental stability”, tho. You guys don’t know a god damn thing about me. Lol
I’m mentally unstable because I hate Tempo and Tempo says I’m mentally unstable.
Thought you could think for yourself. Counselor.
Maybe you should talk about Judy’s personal life some more. You know, about how he “raped his daughter?”
That’s mentally stable as fuck. Asshole.
Way I see it is…
PA man/Spark…What’s the difference…
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I'm at Reggie's Rock Club at State and Cermak for Spin Lizzy and Kasmir if you want to drink and listen to rock and roll, Jobu.
Rob’s worst nightmare
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Some perspective…
https://twitter.com/alioneye/status/1487630128242962432?s=21
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^^^^ Damn, right. And, we got a dunk on the other end.
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I’d say we’re in a great place right now as a program. Keep bringing in this level of talent and we’ll give ourself a chance every year. It’s pretty unbelievable they’re the only two.
https://twitter.com/barstoolill/status/1503785641254993921?s=21
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I’d say we’re in a great place right now as a program. Keep bringing in this level of talent and we’ll give ourself a chance every year. It’s pretty unbelievable they’re the only two.
https://twitter.com/barstoolill/status/1503785641254993921?s=21
That is a definite feather in his cap. Though I don’t know that either would make top 5 in program history. Kofi is definitely the best low post big we’ve had.
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Congratulations, Kofi.
Thanks for signing originally, and thanks for coming back.
One game at a time.
I L L .......
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Fine.
Underwood gets a feather. Kofi gets told to go sit his 1st team AP All-American ass down, we've had better players.
smh
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Where's Moe when needed?
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004310/?ref_=nmmi_mi_nm
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Fine.
Underwood gets a feather. Kofi gets told to go sit his 1st team AP All-American ass down, we've had better players.
smh
Yeah dude I don’t get it. I post that and he/it automatically get criticized or “knocked down a peg.” It’s just totally unnecessary. Yeah, but… etc, etc, etc…
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Some people here are super sensitive.
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Some people here are just overly and unnecessarily critical even when it’s not warranted or necessary. It’s almost like nothing good or praiseworthy can be said without somehow stating something equally bad or just plain shitty. Some feel it is necessary to do this in order to not be considered a “homer” per say by the eight people who frequent this board.
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Some people here are just overly and unnecessarily critical even when it’s not warranted or necessary. It’s almost like nothing good or praiseworthy can be said without somehow stating something equally bad or just plain shitty. Some feel it is necessary to do this in order to not be considered a “homer” per say but the 8 people who frequent this board.
I get it. Your vag is sensitive. I’ll try not to be so rough.
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It’s not even that, man. It just gets old when you try to get some snide comment in regarding everything, or somehow diminish someone’s achievement or point they are trying to make.
Today alone there've been 3 people already point this out to you. Jobu, Mn, and I. Others have already turned a meme into it regarding your clarification of “fine.” Lol
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Fine.
Underwood gets a feather. Kofi gets told to go sit his 1st team AP All-American ass down, we've had better players.
smh
If all of our players in history are suddenly college seniors and you get to pick one then figure out the rest via your recruiting, who do you pick?
Kofi probably wouldn't be a bad pick since he's unique, but I'd go with Deron
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Just pointing out that although Ayo and Kofi are 1st team All-Americans we’ve probably had a few players that are better. Did it need to be said? Maybe not. Did we need to cry about it being said? Probably not.
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If all of our players in history are suddenly college seniors and you get to pick one then figure out the rest via your recruiting, who do you pick?
Kofi probably wouldn't be a bad pick since he's unique, but I'd go with Deron
I dont mind Illini fans being able to enjoy having a 1st team All American for a couple of hours before somebody feels the need to rag on the guy.
That's as far as I'm going.
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It’s not even that, man. It just gets old when you try to get some snide comment in regarding everything, or somehow diminish someone’s achievement or point they are trying to make.
Today alone there've been 3 people already point this out to you. Jobu, Mn, and I. Others have already turned a meme into it regarding your clarification of “fine.” Lol
But you three are always leading the charge in that regard. What you see as a “snide comment” I see as a potential debate topic. But you guys are so sensitive you get your panties all in a bunch.
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BU should get alot of credit for Kofi and his advancement and talents being improved....many thought it was just Coleman and Antigua. Well this year proved them wrong, Kofi is drastically better than last year. That said Congrats Kofi on all you get...my favorite is Frazier though.
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I dont mind Illini fans being able to enjoy having a 1st team All American for a couple of hours before somebody feels the need to rag on the guy.
That's as far as I'm going.
If you consider calling Kofi “the best low post big we’ve ever had” as “ragging on him” then color me guilty.
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And I guess saying “it was a real feather in his cap” wasn’t effusive enough praise for Underwood. My bad for being so belligerent.
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Honestly not sure why the angst with Tempo on this one.
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Honestly not sure why the angst with Tempo on this one.
It’s a fad that never dies.
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Honestly not sure why the angst with Tempo on this one.
Agreed.
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Just pointing out that although Ayo and Kofi are 1st team All-Americans we’ve probably had a few players that are better. Did it need to be said? Maybe not. Did we need to cry about it being said? Probably not.
Team success is the only reason anyone thinks this. Kofi's as good as anyone we've had, just hasn't been a part of one of our best teams like the 89 guys and Dee/Deron et al.
If we rode Kofi to the national title this year you'd change your tune.
Probably fair, but that's it.
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Team success is the only reason anyone thinks this. Kofi's as good as anyone we've had, just hasn't been a part of one of our best teams like the 89 guys and Dee/Deron et al.
If we rode Kofi to the national title this year you'd change your tune.
Probably fair, but that's it.
That would definitely help the perception. But so far we’ve netted one win over a 16 seed in the tourney with Kofi, that’s it. Still can’t say I’d take Kofi over Deron or Nick Anderson. It’s all arguable though.
Kofi is definitely a top 10 all-time Illini. Not sure he cracks my personal top 5.
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It’s really a shame that 2020 team got derailed by Covid. Could have been one of our better tourneys in years.
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The bigger thing to me - and obviously this is a thing we will never ever know - is the tournament experience they lost. The Loyola game was the first reasonable opponent they’d ever faced in the tourney (and Loyola had a couple dudes who had played in a Final Four). Having experienced that the year before couldn’t have hurt IMO.
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Honestly not sure why the angst with Tempo on this one.
I don't get it either
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The bigger thing to me - and obviously this is a thing we will never ever know - is the tournament experience they lost. The Loyola game was the first reasonable opponent they’d ever faced in the tourney (and Loyola had a couple dudes who had played in a Final Four). Having experienced that the year before couldn’t have hurt IMO.
True, but it affected every team. Play the cards you’re dealt. A guy I was talking to today made a pretty good point. The Mack trade could be viewed quite differently today if Cody Parkey makes that kick.
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True, but it affected every team. Play the cards you’re dealt. A guy I was talking to today made a pretty good point. The Mack trade could be viewed quite differently today if Cody Parkey makes that kick.
Or if they'd just taken the right QB before-hand.
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Or if they'd just taken the right QB before-hand.
❤️
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Any concern of Brad going to Kansas St?
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Any concern of Brad going to Kansas St?
Nope.
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Any concern of Brad going to Kansas St?
I would be shocked
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Any concern of Brad going to Kansas St?
Depends on how he does this weekend.
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Any concern of Brad going to Kansas St?
If Illinois loses this evening, I'll help him pack.
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If we lose today and JW extends and gives BU a raise to ward off K-State I may get so pissed I'll write a letter.
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If we lose this evening, I'll be angry for a couple hours, sullen wrt to round ball for a while, then forget about it. Single elimination tournaments are fun, but no one has ever convinced they mean much. Over the long run, the best teams are gonna win more often than not. When it is best of one, almost anything can and will happen.
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Any concern of Brad going to Kansas St?
Ask me in two hours.
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Single elimination tournaments are fun, but no one has ever convinced they mean much.
I mean, it’s only for the national title.
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That dumb fuck can go to K-State tonight.
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That dumb fuck can go to K-State tonight.
I wouldn’t be sad for a second. Feel like we might actually be able to snag a decent replacement this time.
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Some day you will learn to always trust content from The PAMan.
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3 out of the 4 tourney games we've played under him we came out woefully unprepared.
I like that he took us out of the abyss but at some point we have to reach the second weekend of the tourney.
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We need players like other teams have. Athletic and physical 6'4 guards and 6'6-6'10 wings and front line.
Melendez is a starter.
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That dumb fuck can go to K-State tonight.
He’s gonna use emaw as leverage to get an extension from guenther jr.
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We need players like other teams have. Athletic and physical 6'4 guards and 6'6-6'10 wings and front line.
Melendez is a starter.
The way Melendez was done this year, I’ll say he’s gone and gonna transfer. I would if I was him. Curbelo is gonna be gone too.
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3 out of the 4 tourney games we've played under him we came out woefully unprepared.
I like that he took us out of the abyss but at some point we have to reach the second weekend of the tourney.
Agreed. And unless we get Kofi and Belo back that’s a big ask. We’ve had two title worthy teams in a row and flamed badly in the round of 32. Lou Henson would be jealous.
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He’s gonna use emaw as leverage to get an extension from guenther jr.
Ewwww, you may be right.
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2 All Americans and not one Sweet 16. Unimaginable at Illinois
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I don't understand how the guy who coached rando Texas state school to success in this tournament has come our flat 2 years in a row with 4 star talent.
Best case scenario is Kofi comes back and we get a combo guard on the transfer market. If Kofi is gone next year could be bleak.
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I don't understand how the guy who coached rando Texas state school to success in this tournament has come our flat 2 years in a row with 4 star talent.
Best case scenario is Kofi comes back and we get a combo guard on the transfer market. If Kofi is gone next year could be bleak.
Gimmick D that works until coaches get time to prep for it?
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We need players like other teams have. Athletic and physical 6'4 guards and 6'6-6'10 wings and front line.
Melendez is a starter.
Exactly. Only what I’ve been saying for 2+ years now. Mr. Positionless Basketball constructed a very traditional roster.
Midget guards and marginal athleticism = early exits against length and athleticism.
It’s not a playing hard or prep issue it’s purely not being able to see over guys to pass or get passes around them. Or shoot over them. Or take anyone to the basket. We’re gonna like Sincere Harris and Ty Rodgers.
The problem is personnel based more so than scheme. Which lies at Underwood’s feet. Sampson rebuilt from losing five starters and had more injuries than us and yet here they are plugging in bouncy athlete after bouncy athlete that can go get buckets when we run them off the three point line.
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2 All Americans and not one Sweet 16. Unimaginable at Illinois
Luka Garza and Keegan Murray want to remind you that 3 years worth of AAs can come up empty handed too.
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Luka Garza and Keegan Murray want to remind you that 3 years worth of AAs can come up empty handed too.
He’s a drama queen and troll man.
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Exactly. Only what I’ve been saying for 2+ years now. Mr. Positionless Basketball constructed a very traditional roster.
Midget guards and marginal athleticism = early exits against length and athleticism.
It’s not a playing hard or prep issue it’s purely not being able to see over guys to pass or get passes around them. Or shoot over them. Or take anyone to the basket. We’re gonna like Sincere Harris and Ty Rodgers.
The problem is personnel based more so than scheme. Which lies at Underwood’s feet. Sampson rebuilt from losing five starters and had more injuries than us and yet here they are plugging in bouncy athlete after bouncy athlete that can go get buckets when we run them off the three point line.
Yeah I think we’ll be a tourney team next year. They’ve got length and size. See who we pick up in portal and if we get that Skyy kid who decommitted from KY, we’ll be right back with a shot in the tourney.
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Exactly. Only what I’ve been saying for 2+ years now. Mr. Positionless Basketball constructed a very traditional roster.
Midget guards and marginal athleticism = early exits against length and athleticism.
It’s not a playing hard or prep issue it’s purely not being able to see over guys to pass or get passes around them. Or shoot over them. Or take anyone to the basket. We’re gonna like Sincere Harris and Ty Rodgers.
The problem is personnel based more so than scheme. Which lies at Underwood’s feet. Sampson rebuilt from losing five starters and had more injuries than us and yet here they are plugging in bouncy athlete after bouncy athlete that can go get buckets when we run them off the three point line.
This is why I like Goode and RJ. Goode was playing the 4 today against a 30-win team. Hawkins can stretch as well so it'll be interesting next year unless we transfer in a Plummer clone.
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Luka Garza and Keegan Murray want to remind you that 3 years worth of AAs can come up empty handed too.
Ergo the "Unimaginable at Illinois"
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The way Melendez was done this year, I’ll say he’s gone and gonna transfer. I would if I was him. Curbelo is gonna be gone too.
I don't think Melendez is going anywhere, he's going to be getting starter minutes from now on... thank fuck all of the John Groce Era is finally over with
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Man that stings…
https://twitter.com/gvlaker68/status/1505614678680031241?s=21
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Yeah I think we’ll be a tourney team next year. They’ve got length and size. See who we pick up in portal and if we get that Skyy kid who decommitted from KY, we’ll be right back with a shot in the tourney.
We are in rebuild/reload mode now.
It can be done as other programs have shown. We have a few decent returning pieces and promising recruits, but 100 other teams can say that. Literally.
Need a couple impact transfers.
I think until we see the roster in August we will not have a good idea of where we are at.
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I don't think Melendez is going anywhere, he's going to be getting starter minutes from now on... thank fuck all of the John Groce Era is finally over with
The bad man can't hurt you any longer. The problem is getting your heart ripped out by Underachiever in March, you know, when it actually counts.
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Man that stings…
https://twitter.com/gvlaker68/status/1505614678680031241?s=21
Don't care, the tourney is all about matchups and we got hosed 2 years straight by underseeded teams
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The bad man can't hurt you any longer. The problem is getting your heart ripped out by Underachiever in March, you know, when it actually counts.
I bet against the Illini today bro, only an idiot would have thought we had a chance to win against Houston or God forbid Arizona
No heart ripping here, just a realist and the expected result happened
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I bet against the Illini today bro, only an idiot would have thought we had a chance to win against Houston or God forbid Arizona
No heart ripping here, just a realist and the expected result happened
Houston who was 1-4 against Quad 1 teams, not B1G co champs (regular season only) and down 2 starters?
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Don't care, the tourney is all about matchups and we got hosed 2 years straight by underseeded teams
Not this underseeded bullshit again. JFC.
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JudgeJudy citing something pertinent. Congrats.
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Curbelo after the game…
https://twitter.com/papicurbelo11/status/1505630223500558338?s=21
RJ Melendez after the game…
https://twitter.com/melendezramses/status/1505620125264891905?s=21
Like Goode after the game…
https://twitter.com/luke_goode21/status/1505625081438998537?s=21
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JudgeJudy citing something pertinent. Congrats.
Go troll elsewhere.
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Houston who was 1-4 against Quad 1 teams, not B1G co champs (regular season only) and down 2 starters?
We were in peak condition?
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I mean, it’s only for the national title.
Maybe MLB should dump the World Series in favor of a World Game?
Get rid of the NBA Playoffs format and have a single elimination tournament instead?
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Houston who was 1-4 against Quad 1 teams, not B1G co champs (regular season only) and down 2 starters?
Houston was 30-5 with a Power 5 SOS, went to the FF last year, won their conference, and won their conference tournament. I don't give a fuck about Quad 1 or who's injured at that point. Should have been seeded higher than Providence, Arkansas, or us. Michigan probably had an easier 2nd round game than we did.
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So all the shit talking regarding Underwood from ThePAMan, what is it you suggest happens? Fire Underwood tomorrow? Lol you’re insane.
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Houston was 30-5 with a Power 5 SOS, went to the FF last year, won their conference, and won their conference tournament. I don't give a fuck about Quad 1 or who's injured at that point. Should have been seeded higher than Providence, Arkansas, or us. Michigan probably had an easier 2nd round game than we did.
Michigan had an easier 2d round game? Next Coach K will be complaining at half that MSU is underseeded.
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Michigan had an easier 2d round game? Next Coach K will be complaining at half that MSU is underseeded.
(https://i.imgur.com/oUGwvUa.png)
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So all the shit talking regarding Underwood from ThePAMan, what is it you suggest happens? Fire Underwood tomorrow? Lol you’re insane.
PAMan wants the program to become irrelevant again. Calling for the head of a coach who has taken us out of basketball purgatory by guiding us to two consecutive NCAA tourneys (three if not for COVID), a regular season championship (fuck you, Kevin Warren) and a BTT championship is just plain dumb.
The tourney failures obviously need to get corrected. If they don't, then we can talk about a different voice leading the program.
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(https://i.imgur.com/oUGwvUa.png)
Says the guy who actually whined that Houston and Loyola were underseeded.
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PAMan wants the program to become irrelevant again. Calling for the head of a coach who has taken us out of basketball purgatory by guiding us to two consecutive NCAA tourneys (three if not for COVID), a regular season championship (fuck you, Kevin Warren) and a BTT championship is just plain dumb.
The tourney failures obviously need to get corrected. If they don't, then we can talk about a different voice leading the program.
Hard to say Illinois is relevant given the past 2 years. How about getting a coach who coaches with the NCAA tournament in mind and not shit ass regular season meaningless B1G titles? One who actually can make in game adjustments would be nice too.
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Says the guy who actually whined that Houston and Loyola were underseeded.
I'm not whining, its a fact
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PAMan wants the program to become irrelevant again. Calling for the head of a coach who has taken us out of basketball purgatory by guiding us to two consecutive NCAA tourneys (three if not for COVID), a regular season championship (fuck you, Kevin Warren) and a BTT championship is just plain dumb.
The tourney failures obviously need to get corrected. If they don't, then we can talk about a different voice leading the program.
Yeah he’s seriously just a troll. You can’t fire a head coach with what Underwood has accomplished here in his 5 years so far. Just completely delusional and unrealistic.
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I'm not whining, its a fact
Fucking 1 seed and can't beat Loyola with 2 AAs. How many AAs Houston have? This level of excuse making is just plain sad.
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Betting TennesseeQAnon97 on Vols HQ2 is complaining that Michigan was underseeded right now.
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When this place become Scorat Bored?
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Not calling for him to be fired. But if something else comes along, let him go. Don’t give him a raise based on this season.
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Hard to say Illinois is relevant given the past 2 years. How about getting a coach who coaches with the NCAA tournament in mind and not shit ass regular season meaningless B1G titles? One who actually can make in game adjustments would be nice too.
This. Is. Dumb. Post. From. A. Dumbass. Troll. 🥴
Let’s fire the coach who got us relevant again in 3 years. Has the most wins in the B1G and history of our program in that time period. Two B1G titles. Recruiting is soaring and we’re in the cusp of signing a 5* recruit and have 7 4* players on our roster next season. And he lost two single elimination tournament games. After winning two games before the losses. Your are fucking ignorant.
Not a single coach in the country would work here if you did that. You’re fucking stupid.
You probably would’ve fired Jay Wright too after his tourney losses before he won two titles and now two more S16’s. You’re fucking dumb.
Troll on you ignorant fuck.
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Not calling for him to be fired. But if something else comes along, let him go. Don’t give him a raise based on this season.
If Coach K got bored after being home with his old lady in a month and pulled a Brady by calling Guenther Jr. I'd take him!
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If Coach K got bored after being home with his old lady in a month and pulled a Brady by calling Guenther Jr. I'd take him!
Wipe your cheek, you’ve got some of his cum on you face.
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When this place become Scorat Bored?
😆 🤣 😂
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When this place become Scorat Bored?
oh brother
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When this place become Scorat Bored?
When did you become Truth?
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oh brother
Ok, Nova!
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Michigan st has sucked all year yet they can score and compete vs Duke. Underwhelm is crap coach
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Michigan st has sucked all year yet they can score and compete vs Duke. Underwhelm is crap coach
You don't understand. Izzo is just happy MSU didn't have to play Houston.
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Duke sux
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You don't understand. Izzo is just happy MSU didn't have to play Houston.
He should be. Sparty enjoys turning the ball over too.
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PAMan in shambles :D
https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1505697853079011330
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PAMan in shambles :D
https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1505697853079011330
Dammit
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PAMan in shambles :D
https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1505697853079011330
I really wish that guy’s name was Poon.
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If Coach K got bored after being home with his old lady in a month and pulled a Brady by calling Guenther Jr. I'd take him!
I wouldn't even think about taking him...this is what happens when he visits a town, 1994, Jacksonville recruiting visit, then this kid was born....so? Jus Sayin.... !!!!!!
https://bustingbrackets.com/wp-content/uploads/getty-images/2017/07/655409854-south-carolina-v-duke.jpg.jpg
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https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/tiym2v/rothstein_sources_baylors_jerome_tang_is/
FWIW comment in here saying Underwood's agent was negotiating with KState and kept upping demands after having agreed with KState's offers.
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Well it was on reddit so you know it's true
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Linking a comment on Reddit is like linking Twitter and thinking some crazy tweet is legit. And you call me stupid. Cool story bro. People post the Earth is flat on there too. You believe it?!
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Michigan st has sucked all year yet they can score and compete vs Duke. Underwhelm is crap coach
Duke plays no defense and still beat Sparty by nine. We also beat MSU twice. Hang a banner for their moral victory.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/tiym2v/rothstein_sources_baylors_jerome_tang_is/
FWIW comment in here saying Underwood's agent was negotiating with KState and kept upping demands after having agreed with KState's offers.
Just like all the manufactured hush hush insider rationalizations our fan base makes whenever things don’t go our way. I suppose every fanbase is like this.
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He should hire Bruce to do his halftime speeches !
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I don’t want Underwood “out” or fired. But it wouldn’t bother me much at all if he left for KSU. I think there are a lot of good young coaches out there right now. I’d even take Antigua as a fail safe if need be.
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I'm not whining, its a fact
Once is an aberration. Twice is a trend.
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No validity to the fire UWood talk.
He has had some success. He just needs to do a better job.
Nice to have success in the BT, but it is clearly a second tier league nationally and playing an outdated ineffective style of basketball.
He needs to recruit much better. Period.
Needs to make better adjustments and develop better rotations.
We had two very usable freshmen with length and skill that were not brought along to be ready for major minutes by end of year.
Watch these games and tell me we (or any BT team) are even in the same conversation in any of the last 3 years with these teams with multiple high level athletes.
The BT has not been getting it's share of Top 50 players each year for years.
But you don't even need Top 50 guys. You need to bring in a different type of kid who are more athletic and can run and jump. Then teach the fck out of them.
You cannot teach speed, or athleticism, or size, or length.
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Agreed. It’s ludicrous to talk “firing” him. Wouldn’t be upset if he got hired away, though.
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No validity to the fire UWood talk.
He has had some success. He just needs to do a better job.
Nice to have success in the BT, but it is clearly a second tier league nationally and playing an outdated ineffective style of basketball.
He needs to recruit much better. Period.
Needs to make better adjustments and develop better rotations.
We had two very usable freshmen with length and skill that were not brought along to be ready for major minutes by end of year.
Watch these games and tell me we (or any BT team) are even in the same conversation in any of the last 3 years with these teams with multiple high level athletes.
The BT has not been getting it's share of Top 50 players each year for years.
But you don't even need Top 50 guys. You need to bring in a different type of kid who are more athletic and can run and jump. Then teach the fck out of them.
You cannot teach speed, or athleticism, or size, or length.
Exactly
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Agreed. It’s ludicrous to talk “firing” him. Wouldn’t be upset if he got hired away, though.
I honestly don't think he is a very marketable commodity. Might be a fit for a second tier B12 school down the road that is looking to try and maintain or become competitive.
If he can get us back to tourney next year with a rebuild and retool that will change the perception of him for many inside and externally.
2022/23 season officially started at 200 pm today.
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I honestly don't think he is a very marketable commodity. Might be a fit for a second tier B12 school down the road that is looking to try and maintain or become competitive.
If he can get us back to tourney next year with a rebuild and retool that will change the perception of him for many inside and externally.
2022/23 season officially started at 200 pm today.
Yeah, if it wasn’t KSU he likely isn’t leaving.
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I see a lot of clueless Illinois media homers saying how great of coach Underwood is and how bright the future is.
No, Kofi was great. And this once in a generation player allowed Illinois to become a top Big 10 team for a couple years with no NCAA success
When Kofi is gone, Illinois will be mediocre with Underwood unless he finds another Kofi.
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Let the bitching begin! 😂
https://fightingillini.com/news/2022/3/30/mens-basketball-underwood-set-to-receive-contract-extension.aspx?fbclid=IwAR043Be93wigIR06qogWmRNmbNUfNVyp2rwxYRz5eCZvY9r9Z5RdvCTv8EY
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Good stuff
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Unless the buyout changes a completely meaningless gestures. Looks like the deal is fully guaranteed for the next 4 years regardless.
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PAMan, how you holding up? ;D ;D
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Looks like it tacks a year on to the extension he just got, which is dumb, but lighting money on fire is the whole point of an athletic department.
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PAMan, how you holding up? ;D ;D
I'm sure I would feel worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation.
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I'm sure I would feel worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation.
U ok ? Or are you at Disneyland ?
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U ok ? Or are you at Disneyland ?
I think just a drug addict.
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U ok ? Or are you at Disneyland ?
https://youtu.be/bDewsySmGD4
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You can’t be serious. Didn’t he just get one like a year ago?
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Omg we don’t pay enough to keep coaches around! Josh is gonna be Gunther lite!
Omg we overpay our coaches! What the fuck is Gunther lite doing!?!?
A few hundred k is a drop in the bucket these days for any semblance of stability and continuity.
We just had, objectively, our best three year run in 16 years. That run started in Brad’s third year.
Guys, if he sucks going forward the donors will buy him out. If he wins, it’s money well spent. Especially since it’s partially structured to reward better performance.
It’s hard to even wrap my head around all the bitching anymore. Maybe draw a line in the sand. A line which you shall not cross. Do we pay the coaches that bring objective results or not?
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Omg we don’t pay enough to keep coaches around! Josh is gonna be Gunther lite!
Omg we overpay our coaches! What the fuck is Gunther lite doing!?!?
A few hundred k is a drop in the bucket these days for any semblance of stability and continuity.
We just had, objectively, our best three year run in 16 years. That run started in Brad’s third year.
Guys, if he sucks going forward the donors will buy him out. If he wins, it’s money well spent. Especially since it’s partially structured to reward better performance.
It’s hard to even wrap my head around all the bitching anymore. Maybe draw a line in the sand. A line which you shall not cross. Do we pay the coaches that bring objective results or not?
Amen. Or should I say… poetry 😂
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Omg we don’t pay enough to keep coaches around! Josh is gonna be Gunther lite!
Omg we overpay our coaches! What the fuck is Gunther lite doing!?!?
A few hundred k is a drop in the bucket these days for any semblance of stability and continuity.
We just had, objectively, our best three year run in 16 years. That run started in Brad’s third year.
Guys, if he sucks going forward the donors will buy him out. If he wins, it’s money well spent. Especially since it’s partially structured to reward better performance.
It’s hard to even wrap my head around all the bitching anymore. Maybe draw a line in the sand. A line which you shall not cross. Do we pay the coaches that bring objective results or not?
miserable people love to complain 🤷♀️
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The issue is not the money.
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I'm curious whether there were crrdible offers for him to leave.
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Omg we don’t pay enough to keep coaches around! Josh is gonna be Gunther lite!
Omg we overpay our coaches! What the fuck is Gunther lite doing!?!?
A few hundred k is a drop in the bucket these days for any semblance of stability and continuity.
We just had, objectively, our best three year run in 16 years. That run started in Brad’s third year.
Guys, if he sucks going forward the donors will buy him out. If he wins, it’s money well spent. Especially since it’s partially structured to reward better performance.
It’s hard to even wrap my head around all the bitching anymore. Maybe draw a line in the sand. A line which you shall not cross. Do we pay the coaches that bring objective results or not?
Bitches gonna bitch.
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Looks like it tacks a year on to the extension he just got, which is dumb, but lighting money on fire is the whole point of an athletic department.
There’s no point in extending Underwood until he shows he can win without Kofi.
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Guys, if he sucks going forward the donors will buy him out.
Are you kidding me? We just sat thru 5 years of John Groce and Lovie Smith because nobody would pay the buyout to get rid of them
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Yeah no
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Yeah no
The Lovie buyout was the reason he wasn’t fired after the Iowa 63-0 game in 2018
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The Lovie buyout was the reason he wasn’t fired after the Iowa 63-0 game in 2018
What you just said is called speculation. It’s not a fact. You have no way to know that at all. Just blatantly making shit up.
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Meh after the Becktard scandal he was going to have a pretty long leash. He got hired at a weird time after Cubit and Lil Cubit X threw together a shitty recruiting class and a ton of existing players GTFO.
Everyone knew it was going to be a rough turnaround. Even with the 63-0 drubbing by Iowa, most saw the program progressing toward bowl contention in 2019. Firing him in 2018 would have been a short leash and wouldn’t have been received well by the coaching fraternity.
He did make a bowl in 2019 and entirely mailed it in from the time they got the sixth win. He got a quick hook after 2020.
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It’s not that Underwood didn’t deserve an extension (he’d already gotten one recently). He’s getting a $500k raise and extension when he he’s underachieved two years running (where it matters most), and he’s not likely to jump ship to go anywhere else. And also, according to the report the buyout was increased. And hate to agree with Dominic, but I’d like to see him win without Kofi before giving him extension after extension.
It’s probably fine. Just don’t see the point, other than Guenther Jr finding a way to pay himself on the back. There’s a lot of really attractive coaching candidates out there right now. Don’t want to tie ourselves to a near 60 year old when it’s not really necessary. If things were to go south, I don’t want anyone here a year longer than necessary. We’ve been through this multiple times recently.
I suspect it’s fine. Just irks me to see a guy get an extension two years in a row when the season has ended on sour note in consecutive seasons. If he’d made the Final Four, I would completely get it.
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So apparently that’s two contract extensions in 6 months. So yeah, kind of head scratching. It’s so Illinois. Nickel and diming him up the ladder. I’d be less offended if Guenther had just handed him a huge contract last year. As long as the buyout isn’t stupid.
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I’d rather they just hand him a huge contract and let that show future prospective coaches that we’ll make them rich upfront rather than extend you every year and give you a bump if you’re a good boy.
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JFC
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JFC
Expected reaction. You must sleep well resting between Whitman’s and Underwood’s nuts.
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(where it matters most)
Watch out, Tempo. Only B1G Regular Season Championships matter around here! ::)
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Huh?
Big Ten Championships don't matter at all. All that matters is the crap-shoot single elimination tournament.
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It’s not that Underwood didn’t deserve an extension (he’d already gotten one recently). He’s getting a $500k raise and extension when he he’s underachieved two years running (where it matters most), and he’s not likely to jump ship to go anywhere else. And also, according to the report the buyout was increased. And hate to agree with Dominic, but I’d like to see him win without Kofi before giving him extension after extension.
It’s probably fine. Just don’t see the point, other than Guenther Jr finding a way to pay himself on the back. There’s a lot of really attractive coaching candidates out there right now. Don’t want to tie ourselves to a near 60 year old when it’s not really necessary. If things were to go south, I don’t want anyone here a year longer than necessary. We’ve been through this multiple times recently.
I suspect it’s fine. Just irks me to see a guy get an extension two years in a row when the season has ended on sour note in consecutive seasons. If he’d made the Final Four, I would completely get it.
3 consensus All American selections, our first BT regular season title in 17 years (and missed another only by virtue of a weird COVID thing where we finished a half game up of the champion), first BTT title in 16 years and third ever. We had had basically 3 groups win BTT titles (the 84 team, the Frank/Marcus/Sergio group, and the Dee/Deron/Luther group) since the early 1960s and he won one, finished a game out of one, and somehow managed to not win one despite being half a game up in the standings. Like he missed two other BT titles by a total of 0.5 games - I doubt that's ever happened before, but I don't know.
If Underwood's underachieved the last few seasons we might as well shut the program down.
Of course I'd like some deeper tournament runs, the way to get those is to keep putting together teams like the last few years and get high seeds, not to risk having your coach poached and starting over every few years because you won't pony up a 14% raise to keep him. That's the point, to keep the coach that's built a nationally relevant program around instead of watching him go elsewhere and starting over.
Sure wish we'd ponied up for Self after the core he built was upset in the second round.
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Huh?
Big Ten Championships don't matter at all. All that matters is the crap-shoot single elimination tournament.
No, that’s not all that matters. But in consecutive years we’ve laid massive eggs in the tourney. Once when we were basically a co-favorite, and another when we were a popular dark horse title contender.
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Spark as usual is spot-on. The only two other times we’ve been this consistently good in my lifetime (and I’m getting to be middle aged) got derailed when the coaches who were responsible for the success were either sanctioned or left. Bumping the guy’s pay by .42% of the athletic budget is not the end of the world when he’s brought this much to the program. Even if we do end up firing him for anything other than severe infractions he’d get snatched up immediately and the pay would offset our obligation.
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We lost to a 5 seed as a 4 seed this year. That 5 seed went on to beat the 1 seed people thought was the best team in the country.
This was not some huge upset.
Last year was not good.
It's a tiny sample size, and the tournament is always - always - a crapshoot. There is a long list of coaches that have had tons of tournament success who at one point were thought of as tournament failures, on bigger sample sizes than we're judging Underwood on.
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No, that’s not all that matters. But in consecutive years we’ve laid massive eggs in the tourney. Once when we were basically a co-favorite, and another when we were a popular dark horse title contender.
I don’t know how anyone can say we laid an egg this year. We lost to a team that was way better than us in the metrics and way better than us on the floor the last five minutes. Then they dominated #2 overall seed Arizona the next game. No one was talking about Illinois as a title contender after the first week or so of February as we scuffled down the stretch with a whole host of roster issues and inconsistency.
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We lost to a 5 seed as a 4 seed this year. That 5 seed went on to beat the 1 seed people thought was the best team in the country.
This was not some huge upset.
Last year was not good.
It's a tiny sample size, and the tournament is always - always - a crapshoot. There is a long list of coaches that have had tons of tournament success who at one point were thought of as tournament failures, on bigger sample sizes than we're judging Underwood on.
And we played like utter dog shit. We also played like utter dog shit to a 13 seed that I can’t even remember who they were already.
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We should have lost the first game.
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So in other words, we’ve played like utter dog shit 3 tourney games in a row. That’s a trend.
I have no problem rewarding Underwood for bringing the program back from the depths, but two extensions in 6 mos, and one after a bed-wetting tournament effort, is so on brand for Illinois.
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This isn't remotely an excuse for our performance (especially last year), but I sure do hope next time we play a 5-8 seed we don't get a team that metrics say is a top-10 team.
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We should have lost the first game.
We didn't.
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And we played like utter dog shit. We also played like utter dog shit to a 13 seed that I can’t even remember who they were already.
I'd never say it was the best game we played this year, but we were within 5 with 5 minutes left against a really good team. It wasn't THAT bad.
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This isn't remotely an excuse for our performance (especially last year), but I sure do hope next time we play a 5-8 seed we don't get a team that metrics say is a top-10 team.
I mainly just hope we play better (i.e. live up to our billing) and don’t get pantsed.
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I'd never say it was the best game we played this year, but we were within 5 with 5 minutes left against a really good team. It wasn't THAT bad.
It was pretty bad. Doubt we had a stretch of good basketball more than 3 minutes in that game. It’s a small miracle we were within shouting distance with 6 to go.
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We should have lost the first game.
Eh. More like Chatt should have won. They didn't. They let it get away.
Maybe that pisses you off. I'm glad we won that game. I knew that Houston would beat us. It was obvious. Bad matchup and we were banged up. Whatever.
I will never be mad about us winning a basketball game.
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We didn't.
No shit. I remember when Trubisky and Mahomes were about on par.
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We guarded them pretty well, which is why we hung around.
Couldn't hit a damn thing though. Houston's defense was very good. Continued to be very good in the next two games, they lost the same way we did - couldn't hit a damn thing.
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No shit. I remember when Trubisky and Mahomes were about on par.
Yes, you've been running with this ridiculous intentional misinterpretation of this discussion as a strawman to beat up in unrelated discussions for years now. Congrats.
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Yes, you've been running with this ridiculous intentional misinterpretation of this discussion as a strawman to beat up in unrelated discussions for years now. Congrats.
Don’t blame me, you’re the one who made that case.
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No shit. I remember when Trubisky and Mahomes were about on par.
Come on, man. Jesus Christ.
You know what? Never mind. Keep up the petty bullshit, and the strawman bs. I'm here for it. Carry on.
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I didn't, but that's obviously never going to stop you from lying about it to try to win totally unrelated arguments.
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I didn't, but that's obviously never going to stop you from lying about it to try to win totally unrelated arguments.
You absolutely did.
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I didn't, but that's obviously never going to stop you from lying about it to try to win totally unrelated arguments.
It works for him in 3-5 minute increments.
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As usual, your inability to understand a pretty simple argument about sample size isn’t really my problem.
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Come on, man. Jesus Christ.
You know what? Never mind. Keep up the petty bullshit, and the strawman bs. I'm here for it. Carry on.
Thanks, your contributions here are immeasurable.
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You didn’t outright say it, but you made the case with their stats which were “pretty similar” IIRC.
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Thanks, your contributions here are immeasurable.
You're right. I'll stay out of it. I thought you were better.
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You didn’t outright say it, but you made the case with their stats which were “pretty similar” IIRC.
I made the argument, during a stretch where Trubisky was playing well and Mahomes wasn’t, that maybe crowning a dude as the best in the world (or trashing a dude) 6 games into their career is stupid to do.
You didn’t understand and have been intentionally or unintentionally misrepresenting it as a strawman for like five years, including in cases like this as a pure flail in a completely unrelated discussion.
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Spark, you attempted to prop up Trubiksy by comparing his “pretty similar” stats to Mahomes’. It was stupidly ridiculous then, even more ridiculous now.
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Either lying or just didn’t understand the argument I made, which is maybe a better guess by the numbers. Again, your inability to understand a pretty simple argument isn’t my problem.
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Either way, bringing it up and misrepresenting it here is about the most transparent flail I’ve ever witnessed.
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I’m just glad you enjoyed ever so eeking out a 1 point win against a heavily overmatched Chattanooga. That game will be talked about for years to come.
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I like tournament wins, yes.
Bet Kentucky wishes they’d won their first round game by 1.
I love how first the tournament was “when it counts” but now you’re mad that we won but not by enough.
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I like tournament wins, yes.
Bet Kentucky wishes they’d won their first round game by 1.
I love how first the tournament was “when it counts” but now you’re mad that we won but not by enough.
🎯
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As usual, your inability to understand a pretty simple argument about sample size isn’t really my problem.
Sample size shmample size. Comparing the two was idiotic. Just as “sample-sizing” Matt Nagy and Bill Belichick. Just don’t.
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Sample size shmample size. Comparing the two was idiotic. Just as “sample-sizing” Matt Nagy and Bill Belichick. Just don’t.
It is clear from this discussion of Underwood that you still haven’t figured out the sample size thing.
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I like tournament wins, yes.
Bet Kentucky wishes they’d won their first round game by 1.
I love how first the tournament was “when it counts” but now you’re mad that we won but not by enough.
I wish we failed at the level Kentucky fails at. I’d love that.
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I wish we failed at the level Kentucky fails at. I’d love that.
You wish we missed the tourney last year and lost in the first round this year?
What a weird take.
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I like tournament wins, yes.
Bet Kentucky wishes they’d won their first round game by 1.
I love how first the tournament was “when it counts” but now you’re mad that we won but not by enough.
Yes, because eeking it out against a heavily overmatched low midmajor in the 1st round is really “getting it done when it matters.”
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Yes, because eeking it out against a heavily overmatched low midmajor is really “getting it done when it matters.”
You’re the one that said winning in the tournament was when it matters. I think having our best three year stretch in decades and winning conference titles is success, not underachieving.
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You wish we missed the tourney last year and lost in the first round this year?
What a weird take.
I’m going on the 100 year sample size. Since you love sample sizing so much.
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Hahahahaha
I forgot how bad you are at this. Fun jaunt down memory Lane here.
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You’re the one that said winning in the tournament was when it matters. I think having our best three year stretch in decades and winning conference titles is success, not underachieving.
Yeah but if you get 1 seeds and win B1G titles and lose the first weekend you’re just Iowa or Purdue. I hope for more than that.
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Hahahahaha
I forgot how bad you are at this. Fun jaunt down memory Lane here.
You are getting absolutely smoked right now, Captain Sample Size.
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Hahahahahahahaha
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Spark “sample sizes” Mahomes/Trubisky, Nagy/Belichick, and Kentucky/Illinois and he thinks I’m the one getting owned. Can’t make this shit up.
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Tempo whines about one of Illinois Basketball's best stretches in the last 50 years, uses a 5 year old lie about an argument about the NFL to justify his stance, and thinks he's making great points.
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Tempo whines about one of Illinois Basketball's best stretches in the last 50 years, uses a 5 year old lie about an argument about the NFL to justify his stance, and thinks he's making great points.
Regular season wise it’s been pretty good. I don’t have a problem paying Underwood for a job pretty well done as long as the buyout doesn’t pose a future problem. My main problem is nickel diming it twice in 6 mos. If they’re going to pay him, just do as Malkovich says says in Rounders. “Pay him, pay dat man his monee…”
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Somehow that's an even dumber thing to complain about.
If we want to keep Underwood, we need to pay him what it takes to keep him.
If we don't want to pay him then fine, but that means we start over.
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The best thing about the complaints about Underwood's raise are how every time we have an opening, Tempo's strategy is just "throw a shitload of money at Shaka Smart or Brad Stevens or whoever the current guy is", but when we have a coach who's been successful and give him a 14% raise when he's pursued by his alma mater he complains about it.
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The best thing about the complaints about Underwood's raise are how every time we have an opening, Tempo's strategy is just "throw a shitload of money at Shaka Smart or Brad Stevens or whoever the current guy is", but when we have a coach who's been successful and give him a 14% raise when he's pursued by his alma mater he complains about it.
You forgot Reggie Theus and Lorenzo Romar.
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Somehow that's an even dumber thing to complain about.
If we want to keep Underwood, we need to pay him what it takes to keep him.
If we don't want to pay him then fine, but that means we start over.
Yes, PAY HIM. Don’t Guenther it up and throw him standard “raises.” It looks really dumb when you extende him twice in 6 mos. Especially after about her pourous tourney effort. But I get it, he’s deserving of a nice contract.
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You forgot Reggie Theus and Lorenzo Romar.
Let me provide some context on both of those. My opinion was that if we’re “going to take an absolute flyer on someone,” (which at that time it looked like we might do) I’d could live with Reggie Theus.
Romar was my preferred fall back if the top 4-5 options all said no.
But you’re right, I could have sample sized Nagy and Belichick. That would give me more credibility.
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Neither Theus nor Romar were guys I particularly “wanted” at Illinois.
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Yes, PAY HIM. Don’t Guenther it up and throw him standard “raises.” It looks really dumb when you extende him twice in 6 mos. Especially after about her pourous tourney effort. But I get it, he’s deserving of a nice contract.
Extende? Her pourous tourney effort?
Are you having a fucking stroke? What the fuck? Lol
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Lol
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Neither Theus nor Romar were guys I particularly “wanted” at Illinois.
Ok, sounds good.
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Somehow that's an even dumber thing to complain about.
If we want to keep Underwood, we need to pay him what it takes to keep him.
If we don't want to pay him then fine, but that means we start over.
After Kofi is a start over. Bc Underwood lost 20+ games with a team of Ayo, Frazier, Feliz, Griffin
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Apparently a long drawn-out one. My texting has gotten progressively worse the last year or so. Guess I could blame the newer phone.
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Oh cool. Truth pulled his dick out of a teenager long enough to grace us with his presence. Yay.
I’m out.
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Ok, sounds good.
Truthfully here, IMO they were “I guess we could do worse” than these guys if the doomsday scenario presents itself. And I’d argue we did do worse with Groce.
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Apparently a long drawn-out one. My texting has gotten progressively worse the last year or so. Guess I could blame the newer phone.
Haha, yeah. I blame all kinds of shit. I get it. Just messing with ya.
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Truthfully here, IMO they were “I guess we could do worse” than these guys if the doomsday scenario presents itself. And I’d argue we did do worse with Groce.
I know.
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Anyone that thinks Underwood deserves an extension obviously has amnesia about the 2018-19 season (you know the last one without Kofi).
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You forgot Reggie Theus and Lorenzo Romar.
I’m not that into randomly bringing up things from years ago like that.
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Let me provide some context on both of those. My opinion was that if we’re “going to take an absolute flyer on someone,” (which at that time it looked like we might do) I’d could live with Reggie Theus.
Romar was my preferred fall back if the top 4-5 options all said no.
But you’re right, I could have sample sized Nagy and Belichick. That would give me more credibility.
Shitty when someone takes an argument from years ago and totally misrepresents it huh
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Yes, PAY HIM. Don’t Guenther it up and throw him standard “raises.” It looks really dumb when you extende him twice in 6 mos. Especially after about her pourous tourney effort. But I get it, he’s deserving of a nice contract.
They gave him a raise because his alma mater wanted him to coach there
Funny you call it 'Guenthering it up', Guenther famously did not pony up in order to keep a good coach.
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After Kofi is a start over. Bc Underwood lost 20+ games with a team of Ayo, Frazier, Feliz, Griffin
Yes he was bad with a bunch of very young dudes and Leron Black as the only decent returner, and good once the young guys he recruited weren’t young anymore. Somebody call The Sporting News.
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Why would you extend Underwood when we were bad 4 years ago!?
Amazing take
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This guy is not happy about it. I think it might be PAMan?
https://www.dailyherald.com/sports/20220330/jim-odonnell-fighting-illinis-extension-of-underwood-comes-with-predictable-risk-to-program (https://www.dailyherald.com/sports/20220330/jim-odonnell-fighting-illinis-extension-of-underwood-comes-with-predictable-risk-to-program)
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Anyone who is willing to frame it as 'a six year extension' is someone who should be completely ignored.
It was a one year extension, a $300k base increase, and a $200k retention increase.
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The ferret 😂
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Apparently a long drawn-out one. My texting has gotten progressively worse the last year or so. Guess I could blame the newer phone.
I have been having the same problem. Your phone learns bad habits and then it’s gets worse and worse. Reset your keyboard dictionary. I did it the other days and it’s been great. There will be some stuff it’ll have to relearn and whatnot but it’s worth it to not have a bunch of typos constantly or have to reread everything and fix it
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I’m not that into randomly bringing up things from years ago like that.
Agreed, but then again, saying (important part: if we’re going to throw a complete dart) I’d go with Reggie Theus isn’t as ridiculous as “sample sizing” said persons.
And again, I’d argue Groce was about as bad as we could do in the end. He missed 4 successive tourneys, never made a tourney with his guys (here), and didn’t leave Underwood any meaningful players. That’s a complete whiff. Romar or Theus wouldn’t have done worse.
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It's exactly the same, because neither one of the things claimed are actually the arguments that were made.
I said Trubisky and Mahomes were comparable to the same degree you said you wanted Reggie Theus to be our coach. That is, we didn't say those things.
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I have been having the same problem. Your phone learns bad habits and then it’s gets worse and worse. Reset your keyboard dictionary. I did it the other days and it’s been great. There will be some stuff it’ll have to relearn and whatnot but it’s worth it to not have a bunch of typos constantly or have to reread everything and fix it
Interesting. I’ll look into it.
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It's exactly the same, because neither one of the things claimed are actually the arguments that were made.
I said Trubisky and Mahomes were comparable to the same degree you said you wanted Reggie Theus to be our coach. That is, we didn't say those things.
Just admit that you were trying to pump him up. I won’t crucify you for it. It’s what fans do.
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I’ll lie if that’s what you really want.
Like, just admit you really wanted Lorenzo Romar. It's okay.
See?
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You don’t have to. Ball don’t lie. Neither do the stat comparisons.
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Nope, but you obviously do.
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I’ll lie if that’s what you really want.
Like, just admit you really wanted Lorenzo Romar. It's okay.
See?
I *wanted* him if the top tier options all said “no.”
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I *wanted* him if the top tier options all said “no.”
Yes. You don't like it when other people intentionally misconstrue your argument to make you look bad. But you're happy to do that to me.
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So you can’t even get yourself to admit that “sample sizing” Mahomes/Trubisky, Belichick/Nagy, and now Kentucky/Illinois don’t all look pretty silly in hindsight?
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I have, for the record, as far as I know never made fun of you for the Theus or Romar thing.
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Yes. You don't like it when other people intentionally misconstrue your argument to make you look bad. But you're happy to do that to me.
Just point out you sometimes get it wrong. Wildly. As have I.
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So you can’t even get yourself to admit that “sample sizing” Mahomes/Trubisky, Belichick/Nagy, and now Kentucky/Illinois don’t all look pretty silly in hindsight?
I've repeated every one of those debates with you a thousand times and you have - intentionally or unintentionally - never ever ever understood them. You completely misconstrue them to try to win internet points. It's either lying, or an inability to actually understand what I was saying.
I think THAT is pretty silly.
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Just point out you sometimes get it wrong. Wildly. As have I.
I'm happy to admit when I was wrong.
I was wrong about Trubisky to some degree, but certainly not in the way you're implying.
I was wrong about John Groce.
I don't have a problem admitting I was wrong - I do have a problem with someone who insists I lie about what I said in order to 'be right'.
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Why would you extend Underwood when we were bad 4 years ago!?
Amazing take
Bc Underwood is a terrible coach without Kofi Cockburn
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Bc Underwood is a terrible coach without Kofi Cockburn
Yet to be seen.
He’s had what, two bad years out of ten in his career, coincidentally at exactly the time he was taking over a complete rebuild?
Obviously no reason to argue, there are zero people on earth who find your view valuable, but still. This is stupid even for you.
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I'm happy to admit when I was wrong.
I was wrong about Trubisky to some degree, but certainly not in the way you're implying.
I was wrong about John Groce.
I don't have a problem admitting I was wrong - I do have a problem with someone who insists I lie about what I said in order to 'be right'.
No one forced you to “sample size” Mahomes/Trubisky, Belichick/Nagy. You did that on your own.
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Sorry to interrupt your little lover's quarrel, but when did Underwood get the nickname of the "ferret"?
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No one forced you to “sample size” Mahomes/Trubisky, Belichick/Nagy. You did that on your own.
Hard to continue a debate with someone who insists on lying about my stance.
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Hard to continue a debate with someone who insists on lying about my stance.
Did you “sample size” Mahomes/Trubisky, Belichick/Brady, and just now Kentucky/Illinois?
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Did you sample size Mahomes/Trubisky, Belichick/Brady, and just now Kentucky/Illinois?
Did I use a stretch where Mahomes was playing poorly and Trubisky playing well to point out the stupidity of crowning a guy halfway through his first season? Yes. Did I compare the two as players or pretend Trubisky was on Mahomes level? No, not even close.
Did I use Belichick’s poor record without the literal best football player ever on his team to point out how stupid it was to discount someone’s success because they had good players? Yes. Phil Jackson too. Did I say I thought Nagy was as good a coach as Belichick? No, not even close.
I’m not sure in what way I “sample sized” Illinois and Kentucky. I said I bet Kentucky wished they’d won their first round game by 1 when you were whining about a tournament game we won, which I do. You said you wish we failed like they do, and I pointed out that they missed the tournament last year and lost a round before us this year, i.e. the last few years they have failed worse than us. You brought up a 100 year history.
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You tried to minimize Kentucky vs Illinois based on the last two years. You wouldn’t take their last decade (or name your frame here) over Illinois?
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Sorry to interrupt your little lover's quarrel, but when did Underwood get the nickname of the "ferret"?
Only a moron complaining about a “six year extension” for Underwood would use that one.
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Did you or did you not “sample size” said persons?
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You tried to minimize Kentucky vs Illinois based on the last two years. You wouldn’t take their last decade (or name your frame here) over Illinois?
Did I say that, or anything even remotely close to that?
Are you capable of being honest in a debate like this or is this lying and twisting words the only method you know?
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Did you or did you not “sample size” said persons?
I’m not sure what that even means since it’s a verb you just made up like an hour ago, but I have explained pretty clearly - including two posts ago - and consistently my point in those discussions. I can’t control whether you’re capable of grasping said point.
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Did I use a stretch where Mahomes was playing poorly and Trubisky playing well to point out the stupidity of crowning a guy halfway through his first season? Yes. Did I compare the two as players or pretend Trubisky was on Mahomes level? No, not even close.
Did I use Belichick’s poor record without the literal best football player ever on his team to point out how stupid it was to discount someone’s success because they had good players? Yes. Phil Jackson too. Did I say I thought Nagy was as good a coach as Belichick? No, not even close.
I’m not sure in what way I “sample sized” Illinois and Kentucky. I said I bet Kentucky wished they’d won their first round game by 1 when you were whining about a tournament game we won, which I do. You said you wish we failed like they do, and I pointed out that they missed the tournament last year and lost a round before us this year, i.e. the last few years they have failed worse than us. You brought up a 100 year history.
Belichik went 11-5 with Matt Cassel at QB. So he proved himself a good coach without Brady.
Underwood with Kofi is like Gene Chizik with Cam Newton. There’s a reason Auburn didn’t commit to a coach like that. It was Cam that made them win a title.
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Belichik went 11-5 with Matt Cassel at QB. So he proved himself a good coach without Brady.
Underwood with Kofi is like Gene Chizik with Cam Newton. There’s a reason Auburn didn’t commit to a coach like that. It was Cam that made them win a title.
Belichick is 51-65 without Tom Brady.
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What’s Nagy’s record without Trubisky?
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Sure, Tom Brady was a huge part of the equation; but you can’t look at 2 decades of enormous success in the NFL and say it was all the QB. Belichick built those teams. It was definitely a partnership.
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I’m not sure what that even means since it’s a verb you just made up like an hour ago, but I have explained pretty clearly - including two posts ago - and consistently my point in those discussions. I can’t control whether you’re capable of grasping said point.
So I guess you’re not going to go “yes or no” on something you obviously did.
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Yes! The entire point is that it’s really, really dumb to discount a coach’s success because he had good players on his team.
The point was NOT “Belichick isn’t actually a good coach because he had Tom Brady on his team and that’s why he won”, the point is specifically that that would be a really stupid thing to say.
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So I guess you’re not going to go “yes or no” on something you obviously did.
Pretty hard to firmly answer yes or no on something I don’t understand and that you just made up.
I explained clearly a few posts ago what I was saying. You can decide whether that’s “sample sizing” something, you’re the only one who knows what that means.
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Yes! The entire point is that it’s really, really dumb to discount a coach’s success because he had good players on his team.
But we’re talking two decades. Not a single season. And Belichick was basically the architect of those teams.
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Huge difference in the “sample size” there.
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And again, Belichick did it with several different core units; and yes, almost exclusively one QB.
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Pretty hard to firmly answer yes or no on something I don’t understand and that you just made up.
I explained clearly a few posts ago what I was saying. You can decide whether that’s “sample sizing” something, you’re the only one who knows what that means.
I’m not “making anything up.” You made those “sample size comparisons“ to pump up Nagy and Trubiksy. It’s ok, just own it. We’re all guilty of being fans.
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It’s ok, you say you didn’t. I can ask “who ate all the ice cream?” And you can deny doing it, but when I see you with chocolate all over your face, I kinda know better.
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I’m not “making anything up.” You made those “sample size comparisons“ to pump up Nagy and Trubiksy. It’s ok, just own it. We’re all guilty of being fans.
Do you really just want me to keep repeating this?
On the last page I was very clear, was I not? It’s up to you whether saying “judging a guy on his first half a season is dumb” is “sample sizing” something. I can’t tell you because that’s a verb you just made up, and I don’t know what is or isn’t “sample sizing”. I was making the point that judging players on a tiny half-season sample size is dumb, so if that’s “sample sizing” something yes.
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It’s ok, you say you didn’t. I can ask “who ate all the ice cream?” And you can deny doing it, but when I see you with chocolate all over your face, I kinda know better.
When you’ve gotta lie about the other guy’s stance, you probably lost the argument.
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Mahomes and Trubisky’s stats were “pretty comparable” at one time.
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Belichick is 51-65 without Tom Brady.
Yeah he was terrible in Cleveland it’s why he got fired.
But it’s true Brady made him a way better coach than what his reputation is
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Underwood went 12-21 with this roster in 2018-19.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/illinois/2019.html
FR: Ayo Dosunmu
FR: Alan Griffin
FR: Tevian Jones
FR: Giorgi
SO: Trent Frazier
JR: Kipper Nichols
JR: Andres Feliz
SR: Aaron Jordan
Basically lot of perimeter guys of similar quality that he’s always had. Difference course between 12-21 and 23-9 is Kofi
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Underwood went 12-21 with this roster in 2018-19.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/illinois/2019.html
FR: Ayo Dosunmu
FR: Alan Griffin
FR: Tevian Jones
FR: Giorgi
SO: Trent Frazier
JR: Kipper Nichols
JR: Andres Feliz
SR: Aaron Jordan
Basically lot of perimeter guys of similar quality that he’s always had. Difference course between 12-21 and 23-9 is Kofi
You really are dumb, aren’t you?
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We should have lost the first game.
Tempo, you are arguing with people who undoubtedly think Illinois is a better program than Villanova..
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Huh?
Big Ten Championships don't matter at all. All that matters is the crap-shoot single elimination tournament.
They don't play One Shining Moment at the end of the B1G regular season.
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So in other words, we’ve played like utter dog shit 3 tourney games in a row. That’s a trend.
I have no problem rewarding Underwood for bringing the program back from the depths, but two extensions in 6 mos, and one after a bed-wetting tournament effort, is so on brand for Illinois.
So is the fawning over B1G Regular Season Championships and whining about MI winning it the year before. Meanwhile, Villanova is looking for its 4th NCAA Tournament Championship. You know, the one that actually fuckiing matters.
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Eh. More like Chatt should have won. They didn't. They let it get away.
Maybe that pisses you off. I'm glad we won that game. I knew that Houston would beat us. It was obvious. Bad matchup and we were banged up. Whatever.
I will never be mad about us winning a basketball game.
At least I like your sig.
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Great thread. Good stuff.
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So is the fawning over B1G Regular Season Championships and whining about MI winning it the year before. Meanwhile, Villanova is looking for its 4th NCAA Tournament Championship. You know, the one that actually fuckiing matters.
Some people aren't dumb enough to pin the entirety of a successful 30+ game season on a crapshoot single-elimination tournament.
B1G Championships matter. They are rare for this program, and it's okay to celebrate them.
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They don't play One Shining Moment at the end of the B1G regular season.
Do people actually give a fuck about One Shining Moment?
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Tempo, you are arguing with people who undoubtedly think Illinois is a better program than Villanova..
Who in the world thinks that?
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Who in the world thinks that?
Villanova has won 0 B1G Regular Season titles! The title that actually matters to some people here and on whatever Scout Board is these days.
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Do people actually give a fuck about One Shining Moment?
C'mon Spark. You are better than this.
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Who in the world thinks that?
Absolutely no one. It’s his schtick.
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C'mon Spark. You are better than this.
At least we can say that about Spark. Not so much you. 😂
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Villanova has won 0 B1G Regular Season titles! The title that actually matters to some people here and on whatever Scout Board is these days.
And I thought your last take was bad, hahaha
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C'mon Spark. You are better than this.
???
You’ve contributed literally nothing here other than “Villanova has never won a big ten title hurr durr” and “One Shining Moment!!1!”
I used to think you were better than that but ..
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???
You’ve contributed literally nothing here other than “Villanova has never won a big ten title hurr durr” and “One Shining Moment!!1!”
I used to think you were better than that but ..
I'm glad Custard and you are happy with B1G Regular Season titles. Some of us just demand a little more.
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Demanding more than our most successful stretch in more than a decade doesn’t make you a better fan than me, it makes you a whiner.
It’s okay to be happy that we’re back winning conference titles. It’s okay to happy that we’re a nationally relevant program again. Those are positive things, not negative things.
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Demanding more than our most successful stretch in more than a decade doesn’t make you a better fan than me, it makes you a whiner.
It’s okay to be happy that we’re back winning conference titles. It’s okay to happy that we’re a nationally relevant program again. Those are positive things, not negative things.
You are emblematic of why nothing gets done in Champaign. If the school actually had elite revenue sports programs, the school would be flush with cash (not even discussing the athletic department). Then the school could admit more Illinois high school kids instead of relying on foreign cash and sending me emails begging me to contact my state legislators to provide more funding for the school. Let's try and think bigger picture here.
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Jesus what a fucking dipshit
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Jesus what a fucking dipshit
You are so small time, Spark. Truth is actually right about you.
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Yes - I’m sure Truth, JudgeJudy, and IllLove are with you on this. Great work. Unassailable.
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Yes - I’m sure Truth, JudgeJudy, and IllLove are with you on this. Great work. Unassailable.
No clue where Judy and 97 stand. But Truth is right. Clock right 2x a day type of thing.
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And, playing the racist card does not respond to the underlying issue of Illinois admissions. It is a complete cop out on your part. "Flailing" as you like to say.
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I don’t really have an opinion on the admissions stuff.
I do have an opinion on racists calling anyone from China a scumbag. It’s open racism, nothing more.
And of course Judy and ILLove agree with your racism. Don’t pretend.
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I don’t really have an opinion on the admissions stuff.
I do have an opinion on racists calling anyone from China a scumbag. It’s open racism, nothing more.
And of course Judy and ILLove agree with your racism. Don’t pretend.
I actually can’t stand ThePAMan, so don’t speak for me. I’m not a racist or homophobic either. People on here have some “either or” or “one side or the other” extremist conclusions. I have fell victim to it and contributed my fair share as well. Too much trolling and disingenuous conversations/attacks.
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Do people actually give a fuck about One Shining Moment?
The big madison avenue advertisers do. The people who only follow college basketball in March and April do.
To me, the real March Madness will always be the IHSA state tournament I grew up with.
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Tempo, you are arguing with people who undoubtedly think Illinois is a better program than Villanova..
Lmao who said that?
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No one but him
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I don’t really have an opinion on the admissions stuff.
I do have an opinion on racists calling anyone from China a scumbag. It’s open racism, nothing more.
And of course Judy and ILLove agree with your racism. Don’t pretend.
nah cmon man PMAN is a dickwad
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Oh maybe that’s even too racist and dipshittish for those two.
I stand corrected.
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Underwood went 12-21 with this roster in 2018-19.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/illinois/2019.html
FR: Ayo Dosunmu
FR: Alan Griffin
FR: Tevian Jones
FR: Giorgi
SO: Trent Frazier
JR: Kipper Nichols
JR: Andres Feliz
SR: Aaron Jordan
Basically lot of perimeter guys of similar quality that he’s always had. Difference course between 12-21 and 23-9 is Kofi
Good God man you typed that out?
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I don’t really have an opinion on the admissions stuff.
I do have an opinion on racists calling anyone from China a scumbag. It’s open racism, nothing more.
And of course Judy and ILLove agree with your racism. Don’t pretend.
Of course you don't have an opinion on admissions because you are selfish and got yours, jackass
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Of course you don't have an opinion on admissions because you are selfish and got yours, jackass
Racist moron
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Racist moron
You got yours, Spark. Fuck everyone else. Selfish entitled limousine liberal prick. Douchebag.
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What in the world happened to you?
Just unbelievable. Not sure I've ever seen someone so quickly turn into an open racist like this. Wild.
Hope you get the help you obviously need bud.
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What in the world happened to you?
Just unbelievable. Not sure I've ever seen someone so quickly turn into an open racist like this. Wild.
Hope you get the help you obviously need bud.
Saying Chinese Communists are scumbags isn't racist, Spark.
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Saying Chinese kids who come to school at UIUC are scumbags is absolutely objectively unquestionably racist. You can pretend it's not, that's no worries to me - it still is though.
It's telling that when called out you stomped your feet and melted down like a toddler.
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I’m With PAThey/Them on this one !
He hates their politics and influence and human rights violations not their race !
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Saying Chinese kids who come to school at UIUC are scumbags is absolutely objectively unquestionably racist. You can pretend it's not, that's no worries to me - it still is though.
It's telling that when called out you stomped your feet and melted down like a toddler.
Calling Chinese Communists scumbags is not racist, regardless of how many times you keep repeating it
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I’m With PAThey/Them on this one !
He hates their politics and influence and human rights violations not their race !
Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
Spark has been completely disingenuous all day.
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Congrats dude, IlliniGolf on your team.
It's funny how you're happy about that. Telling.
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Calling Chinese Communists scumbags is not racist, regardless of how many times you keep repeating it
Calling the Chinese kids coming to UIUC scumbags because of their race - which is what you did - is absolutely racist. Sorry dude.
Look in the mirror. If this is who you want to be, great - some people are happy to be bigots. I didn't think it was you, but I was apparently wrong.
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I’m With PAThey/Them on this one !
He hates their politics and influence and human rights violations not their race !
The politics and influence of the 17 year old Chinese kids who come to UIUC, and have - I assume - mostly not committed human rights violations? Who do you think the Chinese are selling the shit they make with their slave labor to?
If we're hating people for the human rights violations their governments have committed there's gonna be a lot of self-hate. I know, I know - sure we owned people for a few hundred years, disenfranchised them for another few hundred, built our country on the backs of their labor, put Japanese people in camps, massacred the people who already lived on this land before us, etc. but we're the GOOD GUYS. Unlike those scumbag Chinese high schoolers.
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You got yours, Spark. Fuck everyone else. Selfish entitled limousine liberal prick. Douchebag.
Nah, not 'fuck everyone else'.
But 'fuck openly racist morons', I'm cool with that yes. Fuck people like you.
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Calling the Chinese kids coming to UIUC scumbags because of their race - which is what you did - is absolutely racist. Sorry dude.
Look in the mirror. If this is who you want to be, great - some people are happy to be bigots. I didn't think it was you, but I was apparently wrong.
No, I did not. But congrats on being completely and utterly intellectually dishonest. No opinion on the admission policies. Shameful, but you are too full of your own bullshit to realize it. Look in the mirror yourself.
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So to be clear, you DIDN'T say that the admissions office is focusing on admitting 'fucking Chinese communist scumbags' rather than Illinois high school students?
You know your post is still there right? Better go edit it quick.
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Given your JudgeJudy level posting today, you are on ignore, Spark. So save it for your therapist.
I apologize to everyone else for engaging today with someone so intellectually dishonest and disingenuous.
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I hope you consider also going to therapy.
It's clear you need it.
You were so racist Judy and ILLove couldn't get onboard. Hahaha
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I hope you consider also going to therapy.
It's clear you need it.
You were so racist Judy and ILLove couldn't get onboard. Hahaha
I’ve never been onboard.
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Don't wants stray off topic, but Matta is back at Butler.
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And more off topic from the Twitter
No Escalators
@NoEscalators
Marquette: we fired our coach to hire Shaka Smart
Xavier: we fired our coach to hire Sean Miller
Seton Hall: our coach left and we hired rising star Shaheen Holloway
Butler: we fired our coach to hire Thad Matta
Georgetown: We're bringing back the guy who went 0-20
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Xavier and Butler getting Miller/Matta are great hires
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Pretty cool. Interesting he picked those two and didn’t invite Weber. 😎
https://www.facebook.com/120713712889/posts/10158504748577890/?d=n
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-basketball-coaches-vs-cancer-Brad-Underwood-Lon-Kruger-Bill-Self-American-Cancer-society-186135053/?fbclid=IwAR1pWQEmFUfK0O7qI6MDS9UV3BcXmN0EGNaEjL5kh3u0KGseLo2CcAWkgFU
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Probably something to do with programs or charities not wanting to involve a coach that was fired for wrecking the program.
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Probably something to do with programs or charities not wanting to involve a coach that was fired for wrecking the program.
My thoughts exactly. Definitely wouldn’t be a good look. Although they could’ve auctioned off a cage match between Self and Weber for a lot of money!💰
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Haha I saw that in the comments.
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Haha I saw that in the comments.
Yeah credit that guy, as he’s where I got the idea from. Great idea though for charity!
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Self would kick his ass like he does in everything else. But Bruce would do it the right way.
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Weber must be pulling his gray hair out in anger. I'm sure he has a mad house room full of clippings and articles about Self and others.
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Great article about how Underwood has/is turning the program around and into a recruiting powerhouse. Now just need to put it together into tournament success.
Also don’t think Skyy is the highest-rated recruit ever for Illinois, as Marcus Liberty was the #1 player in the country, I believe.
https://www.thechampaignroom.com/2022/4/9/23015819/skyy-clarks-commitment-leaves-no-doubt-about-illinois-future-brad-underwood-ty-rodgers-jayden-epps?fbclid=IwAR3-OdoaTFC9B1MAWQ6Rhe2YYAQJHUyFahAfj9PeDNGswy4C_TM2swEwk0c
To imagine what he’s done losing 3 assistants last year and having a class like this is pretty remarkable. This class is actually better than any the previous assistants signed.
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Great article about how Underwood has/is turning the program around and into a recruiting powerhouse. Now just need to put it together into tournament success.
Also don’t think Skyy is the highest-rated recruit ever for Illinois, as Marcus Liberty was the #1 player in the country, I believe.
https://www.thechampaignroom.com/2022/4/9/23015819/skyy-clarks-commitment-leaves-no-doubt-about-illinois-future-brad-underwood-ty-rodgers-jayden-epps?fbclid=IwAR3-OdoaTFC9B1MAWQ6Rhe2YYAQJHUyFahAfj9PeDNGswy4C_TM2swEwk0c
To imagine what he’s done losing 3 assistants last year and having a class like this is pretty remarkable. This class is actually better than any the previous assistants signed.
Yeah, Liberty was #1. Problem was, if I recall correctly, he got like a 9 on his ACT. Dude could literally not read or write. Probably still can't. At the time, they said a person making random guesses on the ACT would likely score a 12.
So, I guess it's an accomplishment to do worse than guessing. lol
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Yeah, Liberty was #1. Problem was, if I recall correctly, he got like a 9 on his ACT. Dude could literally not read or write. Probably still can't. At the time, they said a person making random guesses on the ACT would likely score a 12.
So, I guess it's an accomplishment to do worse than guessing. lol
Why did you have to go and bring Beckman into this ? Rehashing Weber and Groce is enough for one day. Motherfucker.
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Why did you have to go and bring Beckman into this ? Rehashing Weber and Groce is enough for one day. Motherfucker.
I am a motherfucker, now that you mention it. Once or twice a week.
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Akron hands John Groce an extension to 2030. Good for him.
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Akron hands John Groce an extension to 2030. Good for him.
Wow. Good for him. He’s at the level he should be.
Mike Thomas should die a thousand deaths. Preferably by fire. Of course, Larue is probably still sucking his dick.
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Just saw Underwood on ESPN at the Milwaukee Bucks and Boston Celtics summer league game in Las Vegas. Appears he’s there getting ready to watch the next game with Kofi playing for the Jazz.
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Just saw Underwood on ESPN at the Milwaukee Bucks and Boston Celtics summer league game in Las Vegas. Appears he’s there getting ready to watch the next game with Kofi playing for the Jazz.
Probably thinking the team will be better without him next season.
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Probably thinking the team will be better without him next season.
The Jazz probably will be when they cut him.
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Underwood didn't see much. Kofi had a DNP Coaches Decision.
Tacko Fall had 15 boards(12 offensive), 12 points and 3 blocks in 17 minutes. :o
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Underwood didn't see much. Kofi had a DNP Coaches Decision.
Tacko Fall had 15 boards(12 offensive), 12 points and 3 blocks in 17 minutes. :o
Yeah I was watching and waiting for him to enter the game and finally decided to go to sleep in the 4th quarter once he never came in. Doesn’t appear he’s gonna make the cut in the NBA unless he really develops and adapts his game to modern NBA. And him doing that seems like a fairytale.
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Underwood didn't see much. Kofi had a DNP Coaches Decision.
Tacko Fall had 15 boards(12 offensive), 12 points and 3 blocks in 17 minutes. :o
DNP in a summer league game? Ouch.
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Bruno Caboclo DNP - Coach's Decision
Kofi Cockburn DNP - Coach's Decision
Vic Law DNP - Coach's Decision
Isaiah Miller DNP - Coach's Decision
Darryl Morsell DNP - Coach's Decision
James Palmer Jr. DNP - Coach's Decision
Borisa Simanic DNP - Coach's Decision
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Awaiting Tempo's comments on Underachiever throwing guys by name under the bus in his post-game press conference.
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Awaiting Tempo's comments on Underachiever throwing guys by name under the bus in his post-game press conference.
Lol. You're cruel.
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Awaiting Tempo's comments on Underachiever throwing guys by name under the bus in his post-game press conference.
Didn’t hear them. Tell me what he said, and I’ll let you know if it registers.
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Didn’t hear them. Tell me what he said, and I’ll let you know if it registers.
It's in the game thread or you can Goggle it, Big10Tempo.
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It's in the game thread or you can Goggle it, Big10Tempo.
Not sure I care enough to.
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What I did catch was like 5 seconds on the news. Something about a “total lack of leadership and you can put that in print” or something along those lines. You beat the #2 team in the country, then get dog walked at home by an unranked team, I’ve got no problem with that kind of bus tossing.
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What I did catch was like 5 seconds on the news. Something about a “total lack of leadership and you can put that in print” or something along those lines. You beat the #2 team in the country, then get dog walked at home by an unranked team, I’ve got no problem with that kind of bus tossing.
He did more than that. He did more than Bielema.
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Only one he really threw under the bus specifically was Shannon for his lack of leadership. Otherwise it was lack of effort and a bad two days of practice that were the sticking points.
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Underwood makes the fart noise when asked about TSJ’s leadership 😂
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I don’t have a problem with a coach calling out effort and leadership in an obvious wet the bed performance. What offends me is when a coach sits in front of the media and basically says “I can’t win with this group,” and uses the analogy that “a jockey is only as good as his horse.” These two situations are quite different.
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I don’t have a problem with a coach calling out effort and leadership in an obvious wet the bed performance. What offends me is when a coach sits in front of the media and basically says “I can’t win with this group,” and uses the analogy that “a jockey is only as good as his horse.” These two situations are quite different.
Hmm. Not sure that is what Bielema said. You can't criticize Underachiever now that you said you liked him?
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Underwood makes the fart noise when asked about TSJ’s leadership
That was vintage Hulka.
He also did say he himself failed them also.
Terrible day all around and my hunch is Mayer and Shannon and/or Hawkins have issues. Normal shit with three guys likely wanting to be alpha dogs at times.
Only one ball.
Every team in country dealing with this as they all have transfers of note.
Will be a fun week in practice.
Season is 5 months long.
One game good or bad doesn't define you.
We play like this for a month then we have problems.
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There could be tension this week during practice. How do the players respond to Brad? DO they step up or do they feel affected
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Hmm. Not sure that is what Bielema said. You can't criticize Underachiever now that you said you liked him?
That’s exactly what he fucking said. Verbatim.
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Hmm. Not sure that is what Bielema said. You can't criticize Underachiever now that you said you liked him?
Pretty hysterical that I was labeled as the one who doesn’t understand nuance.
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Pretty hysterical that I was labeled as the one who doesn’t understand nuance.
You called him "trash", verbatim, for calling Lovie's recruits out generally and NOT by name. Underachiever calls out a guy by name and, generally, 5 or so guys he recruited and 2 other transfers, and you are good with it. Typical Dan Bernstein-like hypocrisy (last week it was reported he said he will not buy Oberweiss egg nog (because of the old man's politics), but the fucker shills for the Ricketts (despite all of their politics, except the lesbian daughter) nonstop).
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Pretty hysterical that I was labeled as the one who doesn’t understand nuance.
And, I will note, Bielema appears he can coach 3 star or less guys up. Yet Underachiever can't win 2 fucking games the 1st weekend of the only tournament that matters despite having 2 All Americans on the floor....
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And, I will note, Bielema appears he can coach 3 star or less guys up. Yet Underachiever can't win 2 fucking games the 1st weekend of the only tournament that matters despite having 2 All Americans on the floor....
At this point, I am thinking Uberwood might be Henson +.
Lou's strengths were assembling staffs, recruiting, and practice coaching. His weakness was in game coaching.
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At this point, I am thinking Uberwood might be Henson +.
Lou's strengths were assembling staffs, recruiting, and practice coaching. His weakness was in game coaching.
And pissing off Bob Knight.
Imagine if the transfer portal was around when Lou was coaching....
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Not sure what to make of UW at this point.
We have done well in what has proved to be a lower tier Power conference league nationally.
His record in BT in last three years cannot be argued with, though. You play who is on the schedule.
The NCAA tourney was abysmal in 2021 with a pretty balanced 1 seed team.
About what we deserved in 2022 with a pretty limited sputtering lineup overall running into Houston who was better at almost every position in terms of raw athleticism.
I think his best coaching job was the 2019-2020 Covid year team with Feliz. That team could ball and was mentally toughest team he had here.
This group could be good (4-6 seed, or just Ok and end up a low seed (7-10), or maybe even end up on bubble and get squeezed out.
They are going to have to sort out the roles and egos. I see a lot of highs and lows until they do with such a young group and the transfers still hopefully gelling.
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Shannon doesn't seem too bothered with being thrown under the bus by his coach
https://twitter.com/Sn1per_T/status/1602031834967465984
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CoHawk and Mayer are Divas. When things don't go their way they act like a 5 year old spoiled brat constantly whining.
Out team is very young. Epps and Clark are 50/50 on any given night. When one is on the other is not. like most talented freshman they just need more minutes.
This team needed Goode. I'm almost sure he would have started this year before his injury. Kid did a little a everything and was a student of the game. Need his leadership and tenacity.
I'm also a huge fan of Harris. Kid plays every second like it's going to be his last. There are some upper classmen that should be taking note of that.
Just need get to 21 wins before Big Ten Tournament and get 6 or better seed and we will be a more cohesive unit.
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Shannon doesn't seem too bothered with being thrown under the bus by his coach
https://twitter.com/Sn1per_T/status/1602031834967465984
Need to quit fucking around and get in line.
This was his team from the start.
Just do your fucking jobs around him.
He is only NBA guy on team.
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Need to quit fucking around and get in line.
This was his team from the start.
Just do your fucking jobs around him.
He is only NBA guy on team.
Guys walking around like their shit don't stink after the Texas win. Attitude in practice sucked. Read on Loyalty that players showed up late and were clowning around half-assing it during practice and film. If that's true, they totally deserved to get their teeth kicked in by PSU.
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Guys walking around like their shit don't stink after the Texas win. Attitude in practice sucked. Read on Loyalty that players showed up late and were clowning around half-assing it during practice and film. If that's true, they totally deserved to get their teeth kicked in by PSU.
And what did the coach do as a result? Sit anyone?
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funk and dread beat them.
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And what did the coach do as a result? Sit anyone?
He should've played Harris, Paxton, Lieb, Serven, and a chair?
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He should've played Harris, Paxton, Lieb, Serven, and a chair?
The chair would have put up a better effort
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He should've played Harris, Paxton, Lieb, Serven, and a chair?
Play a walkon. I thought Underachiever was a disciplinarian? All the shit coming out now reflects poorly on the staff, don't you think? If they won, would he have complained about leadership, etc.? I don't know.
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You called him "trash", verbatim, for calling Lovie's recruits out generally and NOT by name. Underachiever calls out a guy by name and, generally, 5 or so guys he recruited and 2 other transfers, and you are good with it. Typical Dan Bernstein-like hypocrisy (last week it was reported he said he will not buy Oberweiss egg nog (because of the old man's politics), but the fucker shills for the Ricketts (despite all of their politics, except the lesbian daughter) nonstop).
Lol
Weird Dan Bernstein jab. I guess you gotta stick with your schtick though. It’s all you got.
If Underwood called out someone by name, I’m not really a fan of that. But I still find calling out lack of effort generally acceptable. Basically implying you have a bunch of losers on your team (what Bielema did) is never ok. For the record, I’ve given up on either Underwood or Bielema being “gentlemen.” It’s not who they are, and I’ve accepted that. Not a huge fan of either, certainly not an apologist for neither; but also realize they’re the best we’ve had in some time.
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Lol
Weird Dan Bernstein jab. I guess you gotta stick with your schtick though. It’s all you got.
If Underwood called out someone by name, I’m not really a fan of that. But I still find calling out lack of effort generally acceptable. Basically implying you have a bunch of losers on your team (what Bielema did) is never ok. For the record, I’ve given up on either Underwood or Bielema being “gentlemen.” It’s not who they are, and I’ve accepted that. Not a huge fan of either, certainly not an apologist for neither; but also realize they’re the best we’ve had in some time.
Reread your original post where you said you were now on board.
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Reread your original post where you said you were now on board.
I don’t understand your “point.”
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Guys walking around like their shit don't stink after the Texas win. Attitude in practice sucked. Read on Loyalty that players showed up late and were clowning around half-assing it during practice and film. If that's true, they totally deserved to get their teeth kicked in by PSU.
UW implied it will be a lot of individual meetings until they can get the whole team into gym for work during finals week.
Then a lot of screaming. I wonder how assistants handle this type of week. Who is good cop to UW's tough cop? Who babysits like McClain used to?
I am not on other boards and do not know their roles in game and practice.
We play on Saturday vs Alabama School for the Blind. Should win by 40-50.
I assume anybody who fucks the dog on hustling on defense, not getting back, not stopping ball, not diving on floor and into first row for ball, not taking a charge, not recovering to a shooter, will get a quick hook.
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Underwood claiming intangibles “leadership, playing hard” were the problem is completely missing the way bigger issues:
The offensive system sucks.
The defensive system sucks.
He’s a piss poor Xs and Os coach without a Kofi or Ayo to bail out his shit systems
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Underwood claiming intangibles “leadership, playing hard” were the problem is completely missing the way bigger issues:
The offensive system sucks.
The defensive system sucks.
He’s a piss poor Xs and Os coach without a Kofi or Ayo to bail out his shit systems
Another intelligent post from Florida Trailer Park Sex Offender List Man.
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Tempo clearly still hasn’t watched or read about what Bielema said. Still using Parkins’ take I guess.
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Tempo clearly still hasn’t watched or read about what Bielema said. Still using Parkins’ take I guess.
I watched it, dimwit. I don’t think Parkins even had a take on it. Outside of Ayo not sure I’ve ever heard him talk about Illinois.
Bielema said “A jockey is only as good as his horse, right?” What other interpretation is there of that quote?
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Here’s the video. Was he mostly right? Sure. Did he bus toss his players and put the blame directly on them? Absolutely. As Darius Butler points out here, this is a conversation for coaches, admin, and boosters. Not the media.
https://twitter.com/dariusjbutler/status/1450483333322924032?s=46&t=YUXtzxwH0IIasJ7l9pnXQQ
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Tempo clearly still hasn’t watched or read about what Bielema said. Still using Parkins’ take I guess.
I think Haugh was the one who wrote an article ripping Bielema for what he said. But Tempo is now invested in being right (like Bernstein) about Underachiever based on his original post, so it's a no go (unlike Bielema) on criticizing the fart sound, calling players out by name, and ripping their effort.
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I think Haugh was the one who wrote an article ripping Bielema for what he said. But Tempo is now invested in being right (like Bernstein) about Underachiever based on his original post, so it's a no go (unlike Bielema) on criticizing the fart sound, calling players out by name, and ripping their effort.
This is fucking hilarious.
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If Underwood names names (I still haven’t heard it minus the 3-5 seconds I caught on tv), then I think that’s a bit much. Ripping effort after getting embarrassed on your own floor is within the lines IMO. A coach flat out blaming his team for being bad (season long) is a no go zone. How do you not understand the difference? And you’re a lawyer?
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I think the “Man, was I right about Underwood or what?” ship has long since sailed. I’ve taken the “L” on Underwood, even if I feel a lot of what I said in the past was valid at the time.
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I’m not Custard, I’m never going to sit here and shill for the coaches.
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I think Haugh was the one who wrote an article ripping Bielema for what he said. But Tempo is now invested in being right (like Bernstein) about Underachiever based on his original post, so it's a no go (unlike Bielema) on criticizing the fart sound, calling players out by name, and ripping their effort.
The only Score personality whose opinion on this I remember seeing/hearing is Herb Lawrence, who didn’t even have a show, he was a producer at the time. But he’s a huge Illini fan.
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This is fucking hilarious.
Because it's true!
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If Underwood names names (I still haven’t heard it minus the 3-5 seconds I caught on tv), then I think that’s a bit much. Ripping effort after getting embarrassed on your own floor is within the lines IMO. A coach flat out blaming his team for being bad (season long) is a no go zone. How do you not understand the difference? And you’re a lawyer?
The best part is you have not watched the video, but are defending him nonetheless.
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You should watch the video.
It is pretty entertaining.
And for the record, Shannon already came out in public at least and supported him.
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The best part is you have not watched the video, but are defending him nonetheless.
Should I really need to? I’ve clearly stated if he called out someone by name, that’s taking it a bit too far. If he was calling out leadership and effort in general, that’s perfectly fine. What are you confused about? Neither is still as bad as basically saying “my roster is garbage and I can’t win with them.”
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But kudos to Underwood and Bielema for not strangling family members. Keeping it classy at U of I!
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Tempo just made 15 posts demonstrating he still doesn’t understand what Bielema was saying. And he still hasn’t watched the Underwood bus toss video.
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Tempo just made 15 posts demonstrating he still doesn’t understand what Bielema was saying. And he still hasn’t watched the Underwood bus toss video.
You are a fucking idiot. And a shill.
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I don’t need to watch it. What’s hard to understand about: 1) calling out by name - not particularly cool 2) calling out effort in general - fine. Is this difficult?
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cb/b9/4a/cbb94ab859916af82cebb61d5add38a8.gif)
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cb/b9/4a/cbb94ab859916af82cebb61d5add38a8.gif)
How can I simplify it further for you?
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Tempo just made 15 posts demonstrating he still doesn’t understand what Bielema was saying. And he still hasn’t watched the Underwood bus toss video.
It is what it makes this board great. Well, that and Squeaky's videos and illinikvn's extremely random dis posts.
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You are a fucking idiot. And a shill.
I do not get who Custard is shilling for besides Elon Musk.
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I don’t need to watch it. What’s hard to understand about: 1) calling out by name - not particularly cool 2) calling out effort in general - fine. Is this difficult?
I have to ask the question: Did you watch the Bielema video?
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I have to ask the question: Did you watch the Bielema video?
Of course. The day that came out there was a pretty large amount of criticism from former players/NFL players about how this was a very bad look for Bielema. But Custard Fart? HE GETS IT! He watched the video! Custard Fart GETS IT!
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Of course. The day that came out there was a pretty large amount of criticism from former players/NFL players about how this was a very bad look for Bielema. But Custard Fart? HE GETS IT! He watched the video! Custard Fart GETS IT!
I honestly do not recall the criticism he got from former/NFL players for that.
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That I’m a shill for Illinois coaches is probably one of my favorite HQ tropes. My user name is a direct bash on Bruce Weber, whom I openly despised for years across all Illini message boards, resulting in me being exiled to HQ in the first damn place.
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That I’m a shill for Illinois coaches is probably one of my favorite HQ tropes. My user name is a direct bash on Bruce Weber, whom I openly despised for years across all Illini message boards, resulting in me being exiled to HQ in the first damn place.
Well, I recall when your full name used to be ILoveCustard....
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That I’m a shill for Illinois coaches is probably one of my favorite HQ tropes. My user name is a direct bash on Bruce Weber, whom I openly despised for years across all Illini message boards, resulting in me being exiled to HQ in the first damn place.
You’re a shill until the shine wears off.
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Here you go Tempo
Watch the video. 8 minutes of your valuable time.
Get back to us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fvoLKOf95Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fvoLKOf95Y)
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Thoughts after skimming page upon page:
* I thought Underwood went too far. Is it a tirade worthy of reprimands and season-long mention? No.
* When business owners engage in politics I dislike, I weigh my personal gain/loss in regard to a boycott. When Jimmy John still owned Jimmy John's and was being a loudmouth, I cut back on JJ meals, but not entirely. Same with Oberweis, who was once known as The Milk Dud after losing so many elections. I think I even tried to get that added to his Wiki entry, but they blocked it.
* Dominic's take still sucks.
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Weber gave a similar speech after a Purdue game
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Here you go Tempo
Watch the video. 8 minutes of your valuable time.
Get back to us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fvoLKOf95Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fvoLKOf95Y)
So I watched it, and like I said, I didn’t need to because I knew what w was on it (but thank you LKDog for linking it for me).
Underwood goes to far in singling out one guy, but he was kind of baited by the reporter. Underwood still needs to know better than to fall into that trap. He crosses the line singling out TJ, particularly when he volunteered that “he knew he’d practice like crap for two days.”
Still not as bad as a coach saying his roster sucks, and the losses aren’t on him.
And nowhere near as bad as strangling your fiancé.
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I honestly do not recall the criticism he got from former/NFL players for that.
https://thespun.com/.amp/top-stories/bret-bielema-getting-crushed-for-what-he-told-media
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Underwood should have said “I did not make the proper adjustments to take away the wide open 3 point looks they got”. That’s why Illinois lost.
It’s like blaming some intangible like “effort or leadership” when you get worked by an inferior team playing better basketball. Same as Loyola.
The more I watch that press conference, the more I hate it. It has nothing to do with throwing Shannon under the bus. It’s more Underwood’s self righteous attitude of “But I circled this one on the calendar”. Fuck off. Your game plan lost them the game just like it did vs Loyola.
The stats don’t even back up that “effort” wasn’t there. I measure effort by the amount of offensive rebounds a team both gets and gives up. Penn State missed 27 shots and only got 3 offensive rebs. Effort was fine. Skill, basketball smarts, game plan were all terrible which is directly back to Underwood
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https://thespun.com/.amp/top-stories/bret-bielema-getting-crushed-for-what-he-told-media
I did not know any of the players cited.
Also, I don't think saying a coach is only as good as his players is that controversial.
He also took issue with the O linemen Lovie recruited. Well, at least he did not call them out by name. Probably did not even know their names.
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Man. Tempo STILL doesn’t know what Bielema actually said/meant. He’s still running with the out of context interpretation he saw on Twitter and linked here a bit ago. It’s absolutely mind boggling yet so perfectly on-brand.
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Other than the 1st string, the OL room was empty. The OL and DL lines are the foundations of a team.
The critics in The Spun article have anything to say after getting the win at #7 PSU the following Sat ?
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Underwood should have said “I did not make the proper adjustments to take away the wide open 3 point looks they got”. That’s why Illinois lost.
It’s like blaming some intangible like “effort or leadership” when you get worked by an inferior team playing better basketball. Same as Loyola.
The more I watch that press conference, the more I hate it. It has nothing to do with throwing Shannon under the bus. It’s more Underwood’s self righteous attitude of “But I circled this one on the calendar”. Fuck off. Your game plan lost them the game just like it did vs Loyola.
The stats don’t even back up that “effort” wasn’t there. I measure effort by the amount of offensive rebounds a team both gets and gives up. Penn State missed 27 shots and only got 3 offensive rebs. Effort was fine. Skill, basketball smarts, game plan were all terrible which is directly back to Underwood
Was wondering- does your parole officer make you wear one of those ankle bracelets? Must be quite a conversation starter for you.
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Also, I don't think saying a coach is only as good as his players is that controversial.
It isn’t…however, have you ever heard a coach say in the middle of the season “I’m only as good as my players (meaning, not good)?”
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Man. Tempo STILL doesn’t know what Bielema actually said/meant. He’s still running with the out of context interpretation he saw on Twitter and linked here a bit ago. It’s absolutely mind boggling yet so perfectly on-brand.
I’ve watched the video like 7x you fucking moron. What other interpretation of “a jockey is only so good as the horse” is there? You can’t be this fucking dense.
And again, I never took issue with the accuracy of what he said. But bus tossing your roster just isn’t something you want your coach doing.
Shill.
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Man. Tempo STILL doesn’t know what Bielema actually said/meant. He’s still running with the out of context interpretation he saw on Twitter and linked here a bit ago. It’s absolutely mind boggling yet so perfectly on-brand.
Feel free to “explain it” in your words…
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It isn’t…however, have you ever heard a coach say in the middle of the season “I’m only as good as my players (meaning, not good)?”
Kind of. Ditka said the Bear would not win another game in their season that one year and he was right.
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“I just know this, as a head coach you’re only as good as your roster, right?” - Brett Bielema (in season, to the media)
Then he goes on to talk extensively about how he needs to turn the roster over (even makes sure to say “they recruited” when talking about the previous regime’s offensive lineman).
On what planet is this not a complete bus tossing of his players by a head coach?
“But but but you took him out of context, Twitter *derp* - Custard Fart
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Again, I never once said he was wrong. Just that you don’t want that out there on video. You can have those discussions with coaches, admin, boosters.
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Kind of. Ditka said the Bear would not win another game in their season that one year and he was right.
That’s a reasonable pull. Still nothing to be emulated.
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He was specifically asked about future recruiting. He mentioned the fact the previous staff had left no depth on the O Line, and he pointed out they would have to recruit if they wanted to have success. Thus the jockey analogy. It was not a question about the current roster.
I don’t understand why you can’t adjust your position on this rather than regurgitating the same incorrect information you’ve been rolling with since the day you made a thread calling Bielema trash because you saw some BS from a Chicago sports talk meatball on the Twitter no one reads. It’s getting to the point of being willfully obtuse. You pride yourself on being reasonable and fair, but you’re just flat out wrong on this and refuse to acknowledge it.
The Underwood presser was infinitely worse.
“Answering a question about his approach to recruiting as a head coach, Bielema on Monday said: “I just know this: as a head coach, you’re only as good as your roster. I kind of learned that the first time I went to the Kentucky Derby. Nobody was betting on the jockeys, everybody was betting on the horses. To win the derby, you’ve got to have the right horse and I think our players are going to be a reflection of what our program stands for.
I stood at the front of the room last year when I took over and said everybody is invited back because of COVID, they gave me the opportunity to do that. As this roster continues to transition, I’ve got to make tough decisions. The players have to make decisions. The roster is going to have to change to get to where we want to be to win a championship. I recognized that probably midway through the spring last year, through the summer. Certain positions haven’t probably played out the way they envisioned them to, in particular the offensive line. I don’t believe we have a player in the two-deep that they’ve recruited here over the last three [recruiting classes] that is really significantly doing anything for us in the playing department and that’s a major concern.”
Bielema was referring to a future hole in his roster on the offensive line. The Illini currently have no offensive linemen who were recruited in the previous staff's last three recruiting classes. The two offensive linemen from the Class of 2019 are third-stringers. The three offensive linemen from the Class of 2020 have all transferred.
Then Illinois has three true freshmen who need more development, though Josh Kreutz played some jumbo tight end snaps and Bielema said true freshman Zachary Barlev could play at Penn State. With five of the current top-seven offensive linemen out of eligibility after this season, the Illinois staff is looking at the transfer market, including junior-college recruits, to make an immediate impact on the offensive line next season.
But video of that one-minute and 36-second was tweeted by a local television reporter, and the tweet three days later has more than 300 replies, 750 quote tweets, 130 retweets and 950 likes. Many of the comments and quote-tweets were highly critical of Bielema publicly pointing out roster flaws he inherited, including a few former Illinois players who didn’t play for Bielema. Many media members who weren’t in the press conference also voiced criticism about the comments.
“Unfortunately, that’s the world we live in, when little snippets get taken here and there and spins get taken and completely blown out of proportion,” Bielema said. “Anybody that’s commented on it that doesn’t know me is really taking it out of context completely different from what the question was that was asked. We’ll live through the moment of it. I appreciate all the people that reached out to me, national media especially, that understand what happened and what transpired. The kids have been awesome. So it’s kind of a non-factor in this building. I understand you can’t do anything about social media. You guys got jobs to do, and I understand sometimes click and bait and comments sometimes are part of it. That’s what you got to do. Unfortunately, sometimes when you’re a 2-5 football team, sometimes those get amplified. We’ll advance from this moment forward and take it as a learning moment for everybody involved.”
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-Fighting-Illini-football-Bret-Bielema-roster-personnel-viral-comments-out-of-context-173570640/
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That post is devastating.
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That post is devastating.
“I only know that as a coach, you’re only as good as your roster, right?” Then goes on to talk about needing better players virtually everywhere.
There’s no way to defend that statement outside of being ok with bus tossing your current players.
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He was specifically asked about future recruiting. He mentioned the fact the previous staff had left no depth on the O Line, and he pointed out they would have to recruit if they wanted to have success. Thus the jockey analogy. It was not a question about the current roster.
I don’t understand why you can’t adjust your position on this rather than regurgitating the same incorrect information you’ve been rolling with since the day you made a thread calling Bielema trash because you saw some BS from a Chicago sports talk meatball on the Twitter no one reads. It’s getting to the point of being willfully obtuse. You pride yourself on being reasonable and fair, but you’re justflat out wrong on this and refuse to acknowledge it.
The Underwood presser was infinitely worse.
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-Fighting-Illini-football-Bret-Bielema-roster-personnel-viral-comments-out-of-context-173570640/
Adding more words to what he said, doesn’t change what he said.
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When you get the full quote, how you consider that worse than what Underachiever said is beyond me, but you be you (in the words of Coach Nagy).
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Ok, after reading it all, it makes it a little better. He still made it clear he didn’t have the players he wants and want to upgrade virtually everywhere. Why couldn’t you have just added that context like a year ago? I’d say he still didn’t handle that question very expertly.
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When you get the full quote, how you consider that worse than what Underachiever said is beyond me, but you be you (in the words of Coach Nagy).
Let’s put it this way, I don’t expect either of our coaches to lead the world in class or handle the press expertly. I’ve accepted that.
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Seems to me both got baited and hooked themselves.
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Bottom line is, when asked about his “recruiting philosophy” he doesn’t have to talk the next 2.5 minutes about his current roster being inadequate. He did that on his own.
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I’ve posted that exact article here before, in a quote response to Tempo, as recently as October of this year.
https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,155.msg54197.html#msg54197
Interesting to quote something I was pretty much dead-on about. Said he needed a good staff and to open the pocketbook to get them, and that’s exactly what they have done. Walters is a stud that’s going to be a P5 HC sooner than later and Lunney has an exceptionally efficient offense that dominates TOP every week.
Still don’t buy that what he said was “egregious public shaming.” It was a snippet taken out of context and posted on twitter to be provocative, and you lapped it up while failing to do any further research into the bigger picture of what was said.
The players said it was a non-issue, they were so devastated by the egregious bus tossing that they went out the next week and beat #7 PSU in Happy Valley and damn near salvaged a bowl season out of a rough 1-4 start.
This is probably too long to read since it’s not in twitter format but gives some good insight into the meaning of the entirety of his comments pertaining to the massive future hole at O-line they were staring at.
“Bielema was referring to a future hole in his roster on the offensive line. The Illini currently have no offensive linemen who were recruited in the previous staff's last three recruiting classes. The two offensive linemen from the Class of 2019 are third-stringers. The three offensive linemen from the Class of 2020 have all transferred.”
Good stuff here:
https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-Fighting-Illini-football-Bret-Bielema-roster-personnel-viral-comments-out-of-context-173570640/
Here’s where I tried to explain it over a year ago:
https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,393.msg28256.html#msg28256
FFS he didn’t compare himself to a great jockey riding a bad horse. He said, “No one bets on the jockey, they bet on the horse, right? And to win the Derby you need the right horse.” Seems like a fairly apt analogy.
Is Alabama a dynasty because of Xs and Os or getting the best athletes year in and year out in? Wayner loves to talk about the correlation between recruiting highly ranked players in basketball with teams that win at a high level. But apparently our football coach points out that exact same correlation, he’s trash.
His comment about the O Line was specifically regarding the two deep having almost no contribution to the line which is a major problem. It’s objectively true.
He isn’t singling out the guys that are playing, he’s saying that after these guys are gone there is basically no production/experience to take their place because of poor roster construction by previous staff.
He then goes on to acknowledge that it has to be addressed and takes accountability for doing so. It’s one of those takes where I listen to it the first time and I’m kinda like 🤔 but then when I go back to it, it’s clear what his intent was and it wasn’t throwing anyone under the bus.
If you go back to the “Bielema is trash” thread itself, JJ posted a ton of contextual stuff and player quotes:
https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,393.msg28178.html#msg28178
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Back to basketball.....
Nobody really cares too much about Underwood's mini tirade is my guess. SI article has it filed as just a coach going off.
Nothing to see here whether you like it or not unless he loses the team which I highly doubt.
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2022/12/10/illinois-basketball-brad-underwood-unleashes-blistering-rant-viral-fart-sound (https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2022/12/10/illinois-basketball-brad-underwood-unleashes-blistering-rant-viral-fart-sound)
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He did something similar last year saying they were the softest team he’d ever coached and it seemed to get their attention.
I don’t have any problem with this after that effort the other day. And not just that, the bad habit of getting down big in the middle of games. That happened against UCLA and Texas and in two of the three losses.
Dom can say what he wants about offensive rebounds, but they looked like they’d rather be doing anything other than playing a basketball game. It’s one thing to have chemistry issues early on in a season after having enormous turnover, but effort is non-negotiable. Especially when we can run 8-9 quality players out there in waves.
If I have any concern over what he said it’s that it could potentially rattle the freshmen and they might start pressing or something. 🤷🏻♂️These older guys ought to know what to expect from Underwood by now.
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He did something similar last year saying they were the softest team he’d ever coached and it seemed to get their attention.
I don’t have any problem with this after that effort the other day. And not just that, the bad habit of getting down big in the middle of games. That happened against UCLA and Texas and in two of the three losses.
Dom can say what he wants about offensive rebounds, but they looked like they’d rather be doing anything other than playing a basketball game. It’s one thing to have chemistry issues early on in a season after having enormous turnover, but effort is non-negotiable. Especially when we can run 8-9 quality players out there in waves.
If I have any concern over what he said it’s that it could potentially rattle the freshmen and they might start pressing or something. 🤷🏻♂️These older guys ought to know what to expect from Underwood by now.
They expected PSU to come in and not put up much of a fight and that we would just stretch it out at some point. They should have adjusted that idiotic view after the end of first half when they bitch slapped us with 47 points to go up 9.
PSU is possible tourney team. We were not ever engaged. We did not put in the effort. PSU had 9 steals and shot 50% with an Eff FG% of 61%.
These freshmen all played the highest level AAU and HS ball. I hope they knew what they were getting into at Illinois as I am sure it is out there. UW is not a new age teaching Brad Stevens or Jon Scheyer.
I think we will play hard from now on and those that do not will get the quick Curbelo hook.
As an aside-they need to fix Dainja's free throws. Under 50% now. Enough of the ball around his back shit and then slinging it from whatever spot he stops his little routine at.
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I’ve posted that exact article here before, in a quote response to Tempo, as recently as October of this year.
https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,155.msg54197.html#msg54197
Here’s where I tried to explain it over a year ago:
https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,393.msg28256.html#msg28256
If you go back to the “Bielema is trash” thread itself, JJ posted a ton of contextual stuff and player quotes:
https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,393.msg28178.html#msg28178
Still didn’t include the part where he said that in response to “what’s your recruiting philosophy” which is the key part for me. I still think he steps in a bit, but I will concede it’s not as bad as it looked, and I’ll even concede I apparently wasn’t that interested in hearing/reading rebuttals closely. My bad there. I was never aware it was a response to that question. I still think he could have answered the question without criticizing his roster, which he clearly did.
I’ll try to do better.
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In conclusion, I’d say both coaches kind of took the bait and ran. I don’t expect either coach to teach a masterclass in media or PR anytime soon, so I guess it’s to be expected.
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I’ll try to do better.
That's all we ask, Tempo....
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That's all we ask, Tempo....
I apologize for not being perfect like everyone else here.
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I apologize for not being perfect like everyone else here.
I accept your apology. I cannot speak for others.
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I accept your apology. I cannot speak for others.
I appreciate ya.
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I appreciate ya.
And I appreciate you as our own Skip Tempo!
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And I appreciate you as our own Skip Tempo!
🔥
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Well, if Underachiever underachieves again in the March Tourney That Matters, Underachieving Mike Brey will be available at the end of the year.
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BU's Schtick is getting old, the fans are annoyed imo more often than not by it, the players will if not by now, tune it out, transfers will start killing us (Podz) doesn't count imo, and worse yet we won't get the high caliber players again if if it continues.
He should walk 10 miles before every game, then be worn out and tired at game time...might be a better coaching method than trying to blow his veins out yelling consistantly at players that are not giving him the time of day it seems.
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So is Underwood merely a point A to B coach? It’s fair to start wondering.
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In light of an obsessed fan base with higher than lofty expectations year in and year out.
Are we getting # 7 performance from BU, based on his monetary standing within the industry?
https://www.basketballinsiders.com/news/top-ten-highest-paid-college-basketball-coaches/
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In light of an obsessed fan base with higher than lofty expectations year in and year out.
Are we getting # 7 performance from BU, based on his monetary standing within the industry?
https://www.basketballinsiders.com/news/top-ten-highest-paid-college-basketball-coaches/
It's a rebuilding year so let's see what happens
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In light of an obsessed fan base with higher than lofty expectations year in and year out.
Are we getting # 7 performance from BU, based on his monetary standing within the industry?
https://www.basketballinsiders.com/news/top-ten-highest-paid-college-basketball-coaches/
Wow. Didn't know he was that high.
Answer is "No." But are we grading on a curve?
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So is Underwood merely a point A to B coach? It’s fair to start wondering.
That would be a fair assessment, this post season will show alot imo.
BU better bring the chops, and also bring Epps off the bench...let Rodgers body Davis and the #2 transfer class has got to get going early. If Hawk is engaged, then we got a chance.
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That would be a fair assessment, this post season will show alot imo.
BU better bring the chops, and also bring Epps off the bench...let Rodgers body Davis and the #2 transfer class has got to get going early. If Hawk is engaged, then we got a chance.
If it comes down to coaching against Arkansas we’ll be at a severe disadvantage.
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If it comes down to coaching against Arkansas we’ll be at a severe disadvantage.
Frighteningly I feel as if I might agree. But Arkansas doesn't look to be much more organized than Illinois most of the time.
I think -- and I have to confirm this -- Arkansas looked good at the start of the year and won against Creighton. But then things went south, much like they have for Illinois. Both teams are far worse than in November.
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I need to meditate on this new IVMP-Tempo alliance.