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Re: Underwood
« Reply #240 on: March 22, 2021, 01:31:37 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on March 22, 2021, 01:27:23 AM
He was a very good, sometimes great college player. Today was not a good day. Will leave it at that.
The team did some great things, had chemistry down the stretch this year, but fell way short in tourney.
I am sure they are crushed.
I put responsibility on staff more than anything.

You won’t get any argument from me concerning Underwood. He was outcoached and outclassed for making 3.5 mil a year. That Michigan game will always be a what if moment for me. They can spit shine it all they want, but they played better without him.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #241 on: March 22, 2021, 06:36:02 AM »
I've seen plenty of Illini football complete team horseshit play. I didnt expect to see it yesterday. I have no idea what the post game pr was, but probably either Underwood saying it was on him or we came ready to play but Loyola played great and deserved the win. Blah, blah, blah.
Loyola shot 60% in the 2nd half, and 51% for the game.
Add in our 37 turnovers, or whatever it was, and getting beat on the boards won't win many games.
Underwood's first 2 years were tons of turnovers, but we fought. We needed to learn how to win.
Defensive strategy was entirely changed and we started winning games. Defense and effort was Illinois basketball.
Turnovers are still a problem.
We played a few games lately where we cut down turnovers quite a bit, but not yesterday. Yesterday was not Illinois basketball. Gotta plug some holes and continue to build the program.
How does it go ? You're only as good as your last game.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #242 on: March 22, 2021, 07:25:58 AM »
He didn't say it was on him in the Illini Report video I saw. In fact, nothing I saw in that video made me feel confident for the future where Illinois is up against a coach who can actually put a game plan together to neutralize talent advantages we msy have.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #243 on: March 22, 2021, 08:41:19 AM »
There's always the coachspeak of 'I don't know, we had a good week of practice and I expected us to play well. For some odd reason, we didnt bring it to the game'.
Or ...
'We knew what to expect and prepared for it but for some odd reason we didnt play like it'.
Or .....
'We had them ready to play, but the other team took us out of our game early and we never recovered'.
Or .....
'We fucking got our asses handed to us and didn't punch back.

I thought maybe the earlier home losses vs Rutgers and Maryland taught us to not bend over. This one is 'I can't explain it. Watching the other team school us from the opening tip til the end is not us'.

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Re: Underwood
« Reply #244 on: March 22, 2021, 09:12:56 AM »
Loyola does a good job of making a lot of teams look terrible on offense

they are literally the #1 defense in the nation, and their offense was clicking yesterday since it appears as though we didn't practice or make any defensive adjustments throughout the game

There's a fine line between looking like total dogshit and looking good when it comes to college hoops and we were way over the dogshit line, and clearly they picked an absolutely terrible time to do that... whatever, life goes on, at least we lost to a pretty good team /shrug

after 15 years of complete shit the last 2 seasons have been quite refreshing, and I really hope that things continue... if Kofi returns, I think him and Miller and Belo and the rest will be enough talent to get a top 4 seed again.

Anyway, thats just some monday morning musing with terrible grammar.  Time for some more coffee.

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Re: Underwood
« Reply #245 on: March 22, 2021, 10:17:42 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on March 22, 2021, 01:12:16 AM
Actually Ayo needed his usual 16-17 shots/drives today. He only had 10 and a couple were prayers late, Lack of offensive adjustments to get him looks or drawing fouls was total fail on staff part. Our spacing was horrendous. We had three guys within 10 feet of each other on most possessions. Made it easy to double the ball when Ayo got it.

I agree with virtually everything you’ve said, with one exception. I don’t think we’re a bubble team next year even if Kofi leaves. We should still be a 5-7 seed. But we’d have a Final Four contender again if he stays. Our backcourt will have more experience and be among the best in the country. Giorgi is a capable big man if Kofi leaves. We could be sort of a poor man’s version of 2005.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #246 on: March 22, 2021, 10:34:09 AM »
Underwood simply needs to get better as a coach. And of course Antigua and Coleman need to keep doing what they are doing. We don't need to know the details.

I give him credit for trying to instill toughness and cohesion in any college team full of egos and prima donnas from AAU these days.

People forget his OSU team was 155th in country in defense there, and he lost four straight games at end of year.
His teams played fast and let teams score fast. It worked sometimes.

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Re: Underwood
« Reply #247 on: March 22, 2021, 10:38:49 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on March 22, 2021, 10:17:42 AM
I agree with virtually everything you’ve said, with one exception. I don’t think we’re a bubble team next year even if Kofi leaves. We should still be a 5-7 seed. But we’d have a Final Four contender again if he stays. Our backcourt will have more experience and be among the best in the country. Giorgi is a capable big man if Kofi leaves. We could be sort of a poor man’s version of 2005.

If Kofi leaves we will struggle. Might sneak into tourney somehow.
If we add a high level recruit wing or lead guard this spring we might be OK.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #248 on: March 22, 2021, 10:53:05 AM »
If Kofi leaves, we need a big. I have no idea what happened to Hawkins, but if Giorgi gets in foul trouble then we might be looking at Grandison playing the post.
We need front line help if Kofi stays too.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #249 on: March 22, 2021, 11:01:13 AM »
Quote from: Mn on March 22, 2021, 10:53:05 AM
If Kofi leaves, we need a big. I have no idea what happened to Hawkins, but if Giorgi gets in foul trouble then we might be looking at Grandison playing the post.
We need front line help if Kofi stays too.

Well they have Hawkins, and BBV who are more like 4s, and the Lieb kid who needs a hamburger. And Hamlin.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #250 on: March 22, 2021, 11:05:48 AM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on March 22, 2021, 09:12:56 AM
Loyola does a good job of making a lot of teams look terrible on offense

they are literally the #1 defense in the nation, and their offense was clicking yesterday since it appears as though we didn't practice or make any defensive adjustments throughout the game

There's a fine line between looking like total dogshit and looking good when it comes to college hoops and we were way over the dogshit line, and clearly they picked an absolutely terrible time to do that... whatever, life goes on, at least we lost to a pretty good team /shrug

after 15 years of complete shit the last 2 seasons have been quite refreshing, and I really hope that things continue... if Kofi returns, I think him and Miller and Belo and the rest will be enough talent to get a top 4 seed again.

Anyway, thats just some monday morning musing with terrible grammar.  Time for some more coffee.
Loyola’s conditioning is unreal. They never looked tired at all. We looked like we were the team that just came off of a down to the wire contest instead of the team that got to rest it’s starters a bunch in the first round.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #251 on: March 22, 2021, 11:08:53 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on March 22, 2021, 10:38:49 AM
If Kofi leaves we will struggle. Might sneak into tourney somehow.
If we add a high level recruit wing or lead guard this spring we might be OK.
Yeah, I don’t think we’re a final four contender without Kofi. I think we’re a lot better than a bubble team without him though.

I don’t think Kofi is leaving though. He doesn’t have skills the NBA is looking for right now.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #252 on: March 22, 2021, 12:11:01 PM »
Quote from: Miniditka on March 22, 2021, 11:05:48 AM
Loyola’s conditioning is unreal. They never looked tired at all. We looked like we were the team that just came off of a down to the wire contest instead of the team that got to rest it’s starters a bunch in the first round.

You mean maybe the starters should have played 3-5 minutes LESS versus Drexel?  ;D
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #253 on: March 22, 2021, 12:11:42 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on March 22, 2021, 09:12:56 AM
Loyola does a good job of making a lot of teams look terrible on offense

they are literally the #1 defense in the nation, and their offense was clicking yesterday since it appears as though we didn't practice or make any defensive adjustments throughout the game

There's a fine line between looking like total dogshit and looking good when it comes to college hoops and we were way over the dogshit line, and clearly they picked an absolutely terrible time to do that... whatever, life goes on, at least we lost to a pretty good team /shrug

after 15 years of complete shit the last 2 seasons have been quite refreshing, and I really hope that things continue... if Kofi returns, I think him and Miller and Belo and the rest will be enough talent to get a top 4 seed again.

Anyway, thats just some monday morning musing with terrible grammar.  Time for some more coffee.

Yet Wisconsin beat them by 14.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #254 on: March 22, 2021, 12:35:43 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 22, 2021, 12:11:42 PM
Yet Wisconsin beat them by 14.

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