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Re: Underwood
« Reply #225 on: March 21, 2021, 10:28:29 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 21, 2021, 09:36:42 PM
Have a blooming onion and a Hacker Pschorr and relax

Hey man, he’s not me, so play nice.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #226 on: March 21, 2021, 10:29:39 PM »
Quote from: Tempotime on March 21, 2021, 09:13:52 PM
Lmfao. I arrest my case.

Ok, now this is by far your best post.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #227 on: March 21, 2021, 10:33:34 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on March 21, 2021, 09:20:19 PM

It's great we got in the position we were in. No question. Then the real season started. The one people remember.
This will be the team that will now be known as the 1 seed that didn't even make it out of first weekend.

My point is we get back into tourney next year or year after as say, a 9 seed. We get beat first game by an 8 and look like ass again doing it.
Still just happy to be there? Hell naw.

Bye eee  Coach Hulka.
That would be 1 tourney win in 5 or 6 years and two flame outs.

I think you’re being a tad overly dramatic, but I get your point. This is a loss that will go down in Illini infamy. Front and center in the team picture of worst Tourney losses, even if Loyola was very underseeded. We missed a rare opportunity this year. The path was very much there and we blew it the first weekend.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #228 on: March 21, 2021, 10:36:33 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on March 21, 2021, 10:29:39 PM
Ok, now this is by far your best post.

I was unaware that I was looking for your recognition. When I want some Pabst dog pile to drink I’ll let you know.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #229 on: March 21, 2021, 10:40:19 PM »
Quote from: Tempotime on March 21, 2021, 10:36:33 PM
I was unaware that I was looking for your recognition. When I want some Pabst dog pile to drink I’ll let you know.

C’mon, kid. You can do better.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #230 on: March 21, 2021, 11:37:01 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on March 21, 2021, 09:20:19 PM

It's great we got in the position we were in. No question. Then the real season started. The one people remember.
This will be the team that will now be known as the 1 seed that didn't even make it out of first weekend.

My point is we get back into tourney next year or year after as say, a 9 seed. We get beat first game by an 8 and look like ass again doing it.
Still just happy to be there? Hell naw.

Bye eee  Coach Hulka.
That would be 1 tourney win in 5 or 6 years and two flame outs.

Unless you are one of the lucky and talented 4 to make it to the final four, honestly nobody really remembers.  I remember feams that have won the conference or conference championship way more than the big dance.  Couldnt tell you what teams made the elite 8 or sweet 16 or whatever, but I could probably rattle off the special teams that did it for the whole year and won the conference.  Then again different strokes, but Im one of the few that doesnt put a whole lot of weight on single elimination tourney results
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #231 on: March 21, 2021, 11:52:17 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on March 21, 2021, 11:37:01 PM
Unless you are one of the lucky and talented 4 to make it to the final four, honestly nobody really remembers.  I remember feams that have won the conference or conference championship way more than the big dance.  Couldnt tell you what teams made the elite 8 or sweet 16 or whatever, but I could probably rattle off the special teams that did it for the whole year and won the conference.  Then again different strokes, but Im one of the few that doesnt put a whole lot of weight on single elimination tourney results

And this right here folks is why we went from almost blueblood status to mediocre status. And we get it, everyone has losing seasons. Kentucky does it. Dook does it. Even North Carolina was an 8 seed this year.

Problem is folks. We’ve been having what’s felt like losing seasons for 15 years. That’s why this game is a nut punch. We didn’t just get beat. We didn’t even bother to show up. We checked out of the hotel when Loyola took the floor.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #232 on: March 22, 2021, 12:00:57 AM »
Isn’t it amazing. No matter where Lon Krueger goes he always gets the most out of what’s given to him.

I’d rather have him right now. He can take anything to the NCAA tourney. I remember the year we finished last in the conference but made the big 10 champ game. He then proceeded to go to the NCAAs the other years.
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« Reply #233 on: March 22, 2021, 12:07:56 AM »
You know what that was like watching that today?

It was like watching a Bruce Weber special only less efficient if that’s even possible.

That’s how bad it was today.

You can tell the world what you want, but that’s the reality. Theres losing and then there’s what we did today. If I’m a high end recruit am I considering Illinois right now? I’ve looked at the class and don’t see much orange and blue in the top 50 for the #2 team in the country and I know what’s coming and we all do come next year. More of that special custard only a different man wearing the suit.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #234 on: March 22, 2021, 12:09:23 AM »
Quote from: Tempotime on March 22, 2021, 12:00:57 AM
Isn’t it amazing. No matter where Lon Krueger goes he always gets the most out of what’s given to him.

I’d rather have him right now. He can take anything to the NCAA tourney. I remember the year we finished last in the conference but made the big 10 champ game. He then proceeded to go to the NCAAs the other years.

Don’t disagree with you there. Lon just keeps getting it done.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #235 on: March 22, 2021, 12:51:02 AM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on March 21, 2021, 11:37:01 PM
Unless you are one of the lucky and talented 4 to make it to the final four, honestly nobody really remembers.  I remember feams that have won the conference or conference championship way more than the big dance.  Couldnt tell you what teams made the elite 8 or sweet 16 or whatever, but I could probably rattle off the special teams that did it for the whole year and won the conference.  Then again different strokes, but Im one of the few that doesnt put a whole lot of weight on single elimination tourney results


I really would have been fine with a S16 and competing well and losing. Final Fours do take luck and surviving an off night.

Today was an epic dump for the program and missed opportunity. We competed poorly from tipoff, staff were totally unprepared, and we were dominated in every facet of the game by a lesser team.

This was only our 4th #1 seed in 40 years and by far worst tourney performance as a top seed, and arguably the worst NCAA loss in our history.
 
Conference titles are nice and part of the journey of a good season, but I guess I have a different view of gauging a season success.
I would rather make tourney appearances and an occasional run most every year rather than collect any regular season awards and certainly think making the tourney and winning a game should be the norm for this program- not the exception.

I don't know about you, but watching the tourney every year since 2005 and not seeing Illinois on second weekend is pathetic.

We have not made a S16 since 2005. We have only won 4 total NCAA games since 2005 in 16 years.We are no longer relevant at all and this was our chance to start to become so again.
Now we are looking at a possible rebuild and another tourney miss once again unless Kofi stays.

As far as someone like Ayo's legacy here- he now falls well short of players like Dee, Deron, Frankie, Cook, Douglass, Winters, Gill, Anderson, Battle, etc. Players who made EE or better and also were part of regular season individual and team accolades.

Moving on. Season is over and we will not be this good again for forseeable future it appears.
Back to bubble watching again probably next year. Maybe Underwood survives here or even thrives - maybe not.
The late recruiting for 2021 scramble, and then 2022 will decide his future.

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Re: Underwood
« Reply #236 on: March 22, 2021, 01:05:42 AM »
Why we lost today besides the fact we didn’t play any defense.

Ayo and Frazier. 5 of 20 from the field.

Kofi,Miller and Curbelo 15 of 23 from the field.

Pretty simple. Someone shot too much and the others didn’t shoot enough.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #237 on: March 22, 2021, 01:12:16 AM »
Quote from: Tempotime on March 22, 2021, 01:05:42 AM
Why we lost today besides the fact we didn’t play any defense.

Ayo and Frazier. 5 of 20 from the field.

Kofi,Miller and Curbelo 15 of 23 from the field.

Pretty simple. Someone shot too much and the others didn’t shoot enough.

Actually Ayo needed his usual 16-17 shots/drives today. He only had 10 and a couple were prayers late, Lack of offensive adjustments to get him looks or drawing fouls was total fail on staff part. Our spacing was horrendous. We had three guys within 10 feet of each other on most possessions. Made it easy to double the ball when Ayo got it.
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« Reply #238 on: March 22, 2021, 01:20:14 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on March 22, 2021, 01:12:16 AM
Actually Ayo needed his usual 16-17 shots/drives today. He only had 10 and a couple were prayers late, Lack of offensive adjustments to get him looks or drawing fouls was total fail on staff part. Our spacing was horrendous. We had three guys within 10 feet of each other on most possessions. Made it easy to double the ball when Ayo got it.

Hey, I get it. We both kind of live in the same mold. As in love the Kruger/Self era and would rather go back to it.

I just don’t see the love affair with Ayo though. I view him as a team killer like Weber. He flat killed the chemistry of this team.

Maryland game was the last game I watched until the Michigan game. We were up the entire time even though we were playing like dog crap and this was before anyone decided Maryland was going to make the tourney. They were just tall and unathletic. We quit the last 3 minutes and gave it away while Ayo was busy doing his And 1 streetball stuff trying to boost his stats. I literally almost threw the tv out the window after that one. I said preseason #6 my - - -...
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #239 on: March 22, 2021, 01:27:23 AM »
He was a very good, sometimes great college player. Today was not a good day. Will leave it at that.
The team did some great things, had chemistry down the stretch this year, but fell way short in tourney.
I am sure they are crushed.
I put responsibility on staff more than anything.
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